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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 8:37 PM
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India is a country mired in poverty, violence, and unhappiness
because the people have muddled ideas about how to meditate, which is
more than picking a mantra off a shelf
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And whether they go out of their way to actively
*create* suffering in others. To wit, the claim
recently by one poster that she's highly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But my point with empathy is what Curtis said so eloquently in
other posts: MMY's purported desire to rid the world of suffering
says nothing about his empathy. You know empathy by how someone
treats
Curtis wrote:
It is the mixture of bliss and suffering that
defines what I consider life to be.
But, in a previous post you denied any suffering,
when you learned TM or now. So, maybe you are
enlightenened - you feel no suffering - you don't
even have any empathy to feel the suffering of
maybe the Marshy thought you sucked as a TM
teacher and sucked even more as a manager.
Trollish and argumentative. Are you working
on me so that I will ignore your posts as most
others do?
Well, it's obvious to almost everyone that you
TM teachers failed - you failed at your stated
So, you worked for the Marshy, selling
mantras, and sending the money to the
Marshy's relatives over in India, but
you never even got to walk into his room?
boo wrote:
So when you were in the room with him did
you ask about sending money to the relatives
in india...
I did, and I
Curtis wrote:
It is narcissism that is a more comprehensive
descriptive word for Maharishi's world than
any other I can think of.
So, you worked for the Marshy, who was a narcissist,
and you two were close. For how long did you work
for the Marshy to learn how to be a narcissist?
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I think this vibration stuff is unsupported and is
misleading those who are in pain and suffering. Not
very empathetic to me.
As you
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snip One of my teachers once said (and should have
listened to his own advice IMO): Listen to what
people say, but watch what they DO.
Some teacher. you have some knack for picking them, huh? first it was
the Maharishi
Why are you acting like such a dick?
Because you are making TMO status claims and
trying to make us think that you were close to
the Marshy?
I have corrected this statement too many times for me to take the bait
again Richard. I have an opinion about the guy. That is all.
That you
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And whether they go out of their way to actively
*create* suffering in others. To wit, the claim
recently by one poster that she's highly empathetic,
balanced against her often-stated desire to make
other posters
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As to his empathy or not, I'd say its a pretty
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gold and crystal brickabrack
What an excellent phrase
I totally understand the gesture, Curtis; it's for the same measure
of respect that I've always typed out his name, too.
**
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Jim, let me
Jim, we're all just working out our own salvation here. For me it's
a privilege to listen and learn from those who were closer to
Maharishi or had longer access to him than myself and use that
information to process my own feelings. There are no wrong moves
here, no losses, no mistakes; it's
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As to
By suffering in the way I am using it, I mean eliminates the
possibility of near endless birth and death on earth, the wheel of
unfulfilled desires. I like it here-- don't get me wrong, though I
am also aware through my own experience that fulfillment is only
found in the Transcendent,
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On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Could the reason for this possibly that you are
*just like him*? I can't think of more than once
or twice in over 15 years of interaction on these
TM-related forums that I have ever heard you
express real empathy for real *human beings.*
(Other than
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By suffering in the way I am using it, I mean eliminates the
possibility of near endless birth and death on earth, the wheel
of
unfulfilled desires. I like it here-- don't get me wrong, though
I
am also
Curtis wrote:
Cuz he would never let me in the room
after I left.
So, you weren't really all that close to
the Marshy.
It is kind of set up that way.
So, you were never a Marshy 'door-boy'.
But this is a world you are not really
knowledgeable about because you never
were in the room
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On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Could the reason for this possibly that you are
*just like him*? I can't think of more than once
or twice in over 15 years of interaction on these
TM-related
Curtis wrote:
Maharishi never eliminated any of my
suffering. Wasn't suffering when
I met him. and I am not suffering now.
Judy wrote:
Very conceptual? Is that another way
of saying I have no rebuttal to this?
Or, Curtis's way of saying he's enlightened,
always has been. So, why then
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On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Could the reason for this possibly that you are
*just like him*? I can't think of more
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On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Could the
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snip
You both talk a good game about relieving suffering,
but you don't chat with the maid when she comes to
clean your room and ask her what her life is like,
and you don't tip her when she leaves.
Oh, actually you've
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Just a couple of posts ago, Jim claimed to be
intimately familiar with the way that heaven
is decorated. Perhaps he is equally familiar
with its gay interior decorator. :-)
Got something against gay people,
Sal wrote:
And, of course, never having come
face-to-face with the object of your
herofication...
So, Sal, how many minutes have you spent
face-to-face with the Marshy, your hero?
About three minutes?
Other questions:
Did Marshy ever let you walk into his room?
Did you ever ask the
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Just a couple of posts ago, Jim claimed to be
intimately familiar with the way that heaven
is decorated. Perhaps he is equally familiar
But Jim was addressing the issue of whether MMY had
empathy. Do you deny that the intention to eliminate
suffering (whether it's accomplished or not) indicates
empathy?
O ye of the peaceless and suffering humanity...
This view of people other than himself is part of his condescension
similar
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On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Could the reason for this possibly that you are
*just like him*? I can't think of more than once
or twice in over 15 years of interaction on these
TM-related
Curtis and Barry both say they were close
to the Marshy - but just how close were any
of you, really?
I never said this Richard. I was not close to Maharishi. I did
observe his interactions with people personally in India for a few
months and at MIU when he would visit, and on various
Wasn't the whole idea to become TM teachers
because that would help the poor people get
relief from suffering? Now, they are saying
that it was all a con and a sham to get
money. Some of these TM teachers really get
mixed up. Go figure.
You love your false comparatives don't you
maybe the Marshy thought you sucked
as a TM teacher and sucked even more as a
manager.
Trollish and argumentative. Are you working on me so that I will
ignore your posts as most others do? Why are you acting like such a dick?
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Just a couple of posts ago, Jim claimed to be
intimately
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You mean YOU didn't get to walk right in.
So, you worked for the Marshy, selling
mantras, and sending the money to the
Marshy's relatives over in India, but
you never even got to walk into his room?
So
On Jun 8, 2008, at 9:38 AM, sandiego108 wrote:
That's because when you're in the exalted state Jim is,
Barry, empathy is for suckers, you know? It stirs the emotions
and whispers to your conscience, and before you know it
life's become messy. So, to avoid all that nonsense, Jim
and others who
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On Jun 8, 2008, at 9:38 AM, sandiego108 wrote:
That's because when you're in the exalted state Jim is,
Barry, empathy is for suckers, you know? It stirs the emotions
and whispers to your conscience, and before
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snip
Because saying This is very conceptual and that MMY
didn't eliminate *your* suffering isn't a rebuttal of
the assertion that MMY's intention to eliminate
suffering shows that he had empathy.
Seeing all
snip
Seeing all people as suffering is really a shallow
understanding on the human condition IMO.
Well, it's certainly been a popular one with
folks who are generally held to have been
exceptionally wise--Jesus and Buddha, just for
two examples.
I agree with your Buddha point from
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snip
Seeing all people as suffering is really a shallow
understanding on the human condition IMO.
Well, it's certainly been a popular one with
folks who are generally held to have been
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I think this vibration stuff is unsupported and is
misleading those who are in pain and suffering. Not
very empathetic to me.
As you just noted in another post, whether the stuff
*works* or not is irrelevant to
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snip
I know your role in part on this forum is to provide a
reasoned rationale for some TM theories that seem bizarre
on the surface. I
On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:55 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Interesting comments. My impression was that the tics generally just
disappeared in time, especially if the meditator was not practicing
group meditation.
Most did fade with the practice, a few cases have been reported of
people whose
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snip
I know your role in part on this forum is to provide a
reasoned
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:55 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Interesting comments. My impression was that the tics generally
just
disappeared in time, especially if the meditator was not
practicing
group meditation.
Most did
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I've talked to three people who had pain for decades from doing TMSP,
What type of pain? Where?
On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:42 AM, sandiego108 wrote:
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:55 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Interesting comments. My impression was that the tics generally
just
disappeared in time, especially if the meditator was
On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:24 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
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I've talked to three people who had pain for decades from doing TMSP,
What type of pain? Where?
It depends on the type of imbalanced rising. In TMSP program the
people
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Curtis wrote:
It doesn't connect to any modern understanding
of how the nervous system works. It melts
together an ancient esoteric tradition with
sciency sounding terms for marketing purposes.
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On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:42 AM, sandiego108 wrote:
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:55 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Interesting comments. My impression was that the tics
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snip
I do not believe that enlightenment is life without
pain.
It's not. In MMY's terms, it's life without
being *overshadowed* by pain.
You can actually experience more of it, more
intensely and fully, if you
On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:48 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
I don't know of any that do-- all of the Buddhist techniques are so
weak there is no chance of it, and there's no evidence that TM and
TMSP do. However, when offering something to the general population,
anything can be abused. Especially in the
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On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:48 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
I don't know of any that do-- all of the Buddhist techniques are so
weak there is no chance of it, and there's no evidence that TM and
TMSP do. However, when offering
On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
The greatest flaw of MMY appears to me to be his
lack of empathy.
He spent his entire adult life attempting to show
people how to live their lives in fullness without
being overshadowed by its necessary pain, and he
lacks empathy??
You know
[snip]
Ruth wrote:
I do not believe that enlightenment is life
without pain. Instead, maybe just maybe,
you realize that there is no love without
pain and that pain is OK.
Maybe so, Ruth, but I was talking about mental
anguish, not physical pain. I was talking about
how the practice
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On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
The greatest flaw of MMY appears to me to be his
lack of empathy.
He spent his entire adult life attempting to show
people how to live their lives in fullness
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snip
I do not believe that enlightenment is life without
pain.
It's not. In MMY's terms, it's life without
being *overshadowed* by pain.
On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:34 PM, authfriend wrote:
He was unquestionably an ends-justifies-the-means
guy.
Which is the very definition of empathy, of course.
My point is what his goal was. Whether it was
achievable with TM, or whether he went about it in
a way we would all approve, are
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On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:34 PM, authfriend wrote:
He was unquestionably an ends-justifies-the-means
guy.
Which is the very definition of empathy, of course.
My point is what his goal was. Whether it was
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If he really wasn't motivated by empathy, he could
have quit 20 years ago and retired in splendor.
Remember that empathy means being able to experience the emotions or
viewpoint of another. To feel pain when another
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If he really wasn't motivated by empathy, he could
have quit 20 years ago and retired in splendor.
Remember that empathy means being able to
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snip
I do not believe that enlightenment is life without
pain.
Ruth, I'm a big fan of Maharishi for what I saw in him when I was
first drawn to his movement and now for how I experience the world
and this life, but for a very long time the accumulation of wealth,
whether in the form of real estate or gold and crystal brickabrack,
appears to have been the
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snip
I agree with Sal that he retired to a life of splendor a long
time ago.
Interesting that you'd agree with Sal on something
we all know not to be true (including Sal).
Unless perhaps we're using different
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If he really wasn't motivated by empathy, he could
have quit 20 years ago and retired in splendor.
Remember that empathy means being able to
gold and crystal brickabrack
What an excellent phrase Marek. Having spend some time in his pimped
out crib in Seelisberg, it rings true. Liberace would have gotten a
boner in his main lecture hall.
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Ruth, I'm a big
I find it interesting that people continue even after his death to
try to pigeonhole Maharishi, to figure him out, to wrap up the whole
of his amazing and incomprehensible life and motives with a neat
bow. Or at least minimize his breathtaking accomplishments in the
hopes of showcasing his
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I find it interesting that people continue even after his death to
try to pigeonhole Maharishi, to figure him out, to wrap up the whole
of his amazing and incomprehensible life and motives with a neat
bow. Or at
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snip
As to his empathy or not, I'd say its a pretty overwhelming
show of empathy to begin a world wide movement to spread a
technique
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As to his empathy or not, I'd say its a pretty
Jim, let me speak for myself here when I tell you that I'm not
trying to pigeonhole Maharishi, nor put him down. Rather, I've come
to terms, and after a very long time, with his humanity and I feel
that I'm the better for it. Human beings aren't all that complex;
we all pretty much follow
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Jim, let me speak for myself here when I tell you that I'm not
trying to pigeonhole Maharishi, nor put him down. Rather, I've come
to terms, and after a very long time, with his humanity and I feel
that I'm the
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Jim, let me speak for myself here when I tell you that I'm not
trying to pigeonhole Maharishi, nor put him down. Rather, I've
come
to terms, and after a very long time, with his humanity and I feel
that I'm the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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gold and crystal brickabrack
What an excellent phrase Marek. Having spend some time in his
pimped out crib in Seelisberg, it rings true. Liberace would
have gotten a boner in his main lecture hall.
And
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gold and crystal brickabrack
What an excellent phrase Marek. Having spend some time in his
pimped out crib in Seelisberg, it
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I find it interesting that people continue even after his death to
try to pigeonhole Maharishi, to figure him out, to wrap up the whole
of his amazing and incomprehensible life and motives with a neat
bow. Or at
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Ruth wrote:
What is unstressing?
TM unstressing doctrine says that these
bad experiences are merely the result of
deep-rooted stresses that are being
released by the deep rest experienced
during the
This is a great topic Ruth, thanks for pursuing it. I believe it
reveals the epistemological basis for the whole system: authority.
This theory (which was first proposed by Maharishi including dual
nervous systems, one to maintain pure consciousness and one to support
activity until he was
Ruth wrote:
An example is the head twitching and
vocalizations all my meditator friends
made when learning the sidhis, which they
perceived as a release of stress.
We are not discussiong the 'TM-Sidhi Program',
Ruth, we're just talking about plain old 'TM',
a simple meditation that is
On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator
friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a
release of stress. I perceived it differently. Most of it I
thought was due to suggestibility (stress
Curtis wrote:
It doesn't connect to any modern understanding
of how the nervous system works. It melts
together an ancient esoteric tradition with
sciency sounding terms for marketing purposes.
Isn't this just amazing - Ruth and Curtis don't
see the connections, but I connect the dots
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This is a great topic Ruth, thanks for pursuing it. I believe it
reveals the epistemological basis for the whole system: authority.
This theory (which was first proposed by Maharishi including dual
nervous
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This is a great topic Ruth, thanks for pursuing it. I believe it
reveals the epistemological basis for the whole system: authority.
This theory (which was first proposed by Maharishi including dual
nervous
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:38 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
An example is the head twitching and vocalizations all my meditator
friends made when learning the sidhis, which they perceived as a
release of stress. I
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Ruth wrote:
An example is the head twitching and
vocalizations all my meditator friends
made when learning the sidhis, which they
perceived as a release of stress.
We are not discussiong the
--I'm sure Jesus Christ would agree with you, Ruth.
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willytex@ wrote:
Ruth wrote:
An example is the head twitching and
vocalizations all my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--I'm sure Jesus Christ would agree with you, Ruth.
Yes, I thought of the Christ analogy. Oddly, I am not a Christian and
do not come from a Christian background. And I certainly do not
believe that Christ's suffering
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know your role in part on this forum is to provide a
reasoned rationale for some TM theories that seem bizarre
on the surface. I appreciate that.
Actually, Ruth, I don't see myself as having a role.
I follow
Ruth wrote:
What is unstressing?
TM unstressing doctrine says that these
bad experiences are merely the result of
deep-rooted stresses that are being
released by the deep rest experienced
during the practice of TM.
Source:
'Falling down the rabbit hole'
By Joe Kellett
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I'm with Ruth on this one. I have seen no evidence
that getting one's negative emotions out really
gets them out. In fact, I have seen ample
I rest my case. :-)
BTW, speaking of uncontrollable anger and
rising insanity (the Subject title), do
we have more of both to look forward to as
you explain Bill Clinton's comment from
yesterday?
This may be the last day I'm ever involved
in a campaign of this kind.
From your lips to God's
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I'm with Ruth on this one. I have seen no evidence
that getting one's
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