--- "Debbie K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Skye, thanks for quoting me and agreeing with everything I said...
Hey nop problem...
I think better breeding is important on many levels...but we really
want the feet to be greatno foot no horse.
Skye
Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085
> in the past...my FARRIER would trim my ponies in the winter and
> take
> off a ton of sole/live tissue. and would not put a mustange roll on
> the hoof edges.
Just to let some of you know that not all farriers cut into live
solesome farriers do a balanced job looking at the horses needs
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> at the barn we were at for years, i swear there was more lameness
> from
> pulling shoes from AQHA western pleasure show horses than any
> walking
> horse barn! I would say it was 100% of the time! some NEVER got
> over
> it and had to be re-shod
Skye, thanks for quoting me and agreeing with everything I said...
You guys are not hurting my feelings or actually giving me any kind of
emotion except your closed mindness. Its a fad, you all jump onboard.
They are just a pair of regular shoes that have been used on horses
forever. YadaYada Yada..
>> it is not really cheaper
Hum..let's see what my cost is.
Here is my projected hoof costs for 2008, this is trimming every seven
(7) weeks.
With Scott my natural trimmer, I will have a total of eight (8) trims
each for Huginn and Dixie. Each trim is $40.00. So 16 trims = $640.00.
Now...if I
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:58 -0600, you wrote:
>my natural barefoot TRIMMER..does trim my ponies different. scott does
>not take any live sole off and he rolles the hoof edges, so that they
>do not chip.
That's what my farrier does to anything he trims.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
-
> Yes. Because of that freaking barefoot trimmer oath making people
> who use shoes look like we are cruel to our beloved horses.
>
> Just go to a Pete Ramey or Jackson site and read the certified
> trimmers oath...its like a cult. I swear.
gosh my farrier is so good, has always done such a g
> >> again, i think we are confusing barefoot with "barefoot"
>
> as in pasture barefoot to trimming for "barefoot" as in wild horse?
to me there is a difference. In pasture barefoot to trimming for wild
horse barefoot. like my farrier says, how you gonna trim a horse in
florida like a horse s
>>For the record, I am slightly handicapped and my legs are very
spastic. I need a very smooth horse. The trot and most canters don't
work for me. I wish they did.
I know this...and I do sincerly apprecite it. But, I also think that
you need to keep your horse's welfare in mind. I'm sorry, I k
>> The other thing that bugs me - the idea that a barefoot trim and a
pasture trim are two different things. A good, balanced trim is a
good, balanced trim. Period.
mic...i am not a trimmer nor do i trim my own ponies. but there is a
difference between the two trims.
in the past...my FARRIER woul
at the barn we were at for years, i swear there was more lameness from
pulling shoes from AQHA western pleasure show horses than any walking
horse barn! I would say it was 100% of the time! some NEVER got over
it and had to be re-shod. Its almost like those ancient chinese women
whose feet are b
On 11/28/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, the valium has definitely worn off. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
>
> Mic
>
i dont even know why you are even explaining yourself, you shouldnt
have to. If you think your horses need shoes they must need shoes.
Shrug.
Janice--
yipie tie
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/27/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> Please believe me when I say...I have met "Barefooting
> Fanatics" and
> > Debbie is not one of them!! She will still ride with you...even
> when you
> > shoe your horse! Barefoot fana
for me, going barefoot is a personal
> choice... I think more horses can go barefoot then are at the
> moment. I think it is easier done then one thinks is is going
> to be,
I totally agree...many of our horse we shoe, we feel could go
barefoot...in our farrier business we have turned many
There are very few things about any aspect of horse-ownership that
don't have pro's and con's associated. It's the day-to-day struggle
we face as horse-owners - always having to pick the lesser of the
evils.
Never truer words were spoken
--
Laree in NC
Doppa & Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "
Oh sheesh! Hope none of those people ever hear about Hunter, the Tennessee
Trotting Horse, who does a mean stepping pace and has RW'd about twice in
two years.
Gotta love him, though, he'll go anywhere!
Nancy
>>> For the record, I am slightly handicapped and my legs are very spastic. I
>>> need a very smooth horse. The trot and most canters don't work for me. I
>>> wish they did.
I haven't said anything to you on this subject, Pam, but that attitude rankles
me. Your horse has feelings and isn't
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:58:12 -0500, you wrote:
>I know plenty of people whose horses mostly go barefoot, but who put shoes
>on them for trail riding/show season
Doesn't everybody do that? Even here, it's very, very unusual for any
horse of any breed to need shoes when it's not being ridden, unles
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:42:51 -0600, you wrote:
>I am sorry you feel I was being judgemental... she is talking about a
>path that is not very far as being the only difficult part for her
>horse... I don't understand putting shoes on for that amount of
>riding... I was trying to be encouraging, not
> If he naturally trots and didn't after a trim, I would think the trim was
> done incorrectly.
>>i guess the question is, how do we know what's "natural"? vicka hired
barefoot trimmer. vicka put stjarni
>>on hoof supplement and topical hoof hardener. stjarni's trot returned.)
>>(now vicka worr
>> I like debbie too. Debbie is cool
Debbie is very cool!
>>I like her track system
Huginn and Dixie LOVE the track that Debbie has in Huginn's Pasture
(at Debbie's house).
>> it has to be the pumpkin pie syndrome.
Or way too much shopping! Let's remember what this season is all
about, it a
>> again, i think we are confusing barefoot with "barefoot"
as in pasture barefoot to trimming for "barefoot" as in wild horse?
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all a
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 09:24:41PM -0500, Cherie Mascis wrote:
> >>what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
>
> If he naturally trots and didn't after a trim, I would think the trim was
> done incorrectly.
i guess the question is, how do we know what's "natural"? fe
I haven't put shoes on any of my horses for 20+ years and they did
just fine. It wasn't a barefoot trim it was just a good trim.
For the record, I am slightly handicapped and my legs are very
spastic. I need a very smooth horse. The trot and most canters don't
work for me. I wish they did.
That weight is fine and dandy and makes him gait perfectly. ... Until
...that weight has negatively affected, over the years, some tendons,
ligaments, muscles, etc. and then the horse starts having some problems
either with pain or gait or whatever.
I got that lecture
YES!! Anyone who knows Hugie Bear.. knows that he is not the best
tolter. He is what he is! I love him just that way he is. He may not give
me the best tolt, but thanks to the goddess, he gives me a great partnership
and we have a blast together.
Yes, that's the attitude I think we SHOULD
On 11/27/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Please believe me when I say...I have met "Barefooting Fanatics" and
> Debbie is not one of them!! She will still ride with you...even when you
> shoe your horse! Barefoot fanatics will not.
no way! people like that exist??
janice--
y
>>> Please believe me when I say...I have met "Barefooting Fanatics" and
Debbie is not one of them!! She will still ride with you...even when you
shoe your horse! Barefoot fanatics will not.
Barefoot fanatics won't ride with you...? That's past "fanatic" and into
what I call the "Barefoot Naz
all that weighted shoe stuff does have an effect. Janice
Maybe a better way to say it, instead of "have an effect" would be to say that
it "has a cost." I don't care about short-term "fixes" as much as I do the
long-term effects.
Karen Thomas, NC
No virus found in this outgoing m
On 11/27/07, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geez..you guys. I don't know why some of you are picking on Debbie. I
> feel that way, so I wonder how she must be feeling.
>
i just feel like there is some confusion, some misunderstanding... i
personally am confused. I feel like she is talking
>>>"Trade-offs in hoof care." Basically, one farrier would point out the
>>>advantages to one aspect of shoeing/trimming, and then the next one would
>>>give the counterpoints to the same aspect.
Yes, I think there are always tradeoffs.
For instance, say you have a horse that needs some weigh
>>what has happened is that the horse has reverted to the gaits that
God equipped him to have. It may not be the gaits you want, but it's
what he's got
YES!! Anyone who knows Hugie Bear.. knows that he is not the best
tolter. He is what he is!
I love him just that way he is. He may not give me th
Geez..you guys. I don't know why some of you are picking on Debbie. I
feel that way, so I wonder how she must be feeling.
I have know Debbier ...for many, many years...seems like forever. And
the whole time I have known Debbie...she has been a barefooter. Sure,
off and on over they years, she has
On 11/27/07, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
> If he naturally trots and didn't after a trim, I would think the trim was
> done incorrectly. I think some people encourage high heels and long toes for
> gait which w
On 11/27/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> walking horse people who alter gait say to cure pace you weight the
> frint, to cure trot you weight the back.
>
>
> But we know better than that, right? Gait doesn't originate in the feet.
yeah but it works right? I dont know how
again, i think we are confusing barefoot with "barefoot"...
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
If he naturally trots and didn't after a trim, I would think the trim
was done incorrectly.
Or, it can be the opposite, and with many gaited horses, I think the
opposite is more often true. Many horses are bred pacey, but are "squared
up" with shoes. If you take their shoes away, the natur
>>what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
>>--vicka
If he naturally trots and didn't after a trim, I would think the trim was
done incorrectly. I think some people encourage high heels and long toes for
gait which would likely mess up the trot. A barefoot trim shoul
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:14:28PM -0600, Debbie K. wrote:
> I know that going barefoot is a huge commitment and not everyone has
> the ability to do it... for me, going barefoot is a personal
> choice...
i happen to know two people who go barefoot (except when in places that
require shoes, such
I feel there is a difference between shoeing for gait enhancement and
shoeing for protection. Two completely different things in my view. I
have absolutely no problem when an owner shoes for protection because
circumstances warrant it. Shoeing to 'balance' a gait is another
I AM DONE FOR NOW... I feel picked on with every dam word I say, I AM
DONE... if you want to KNOW about barefooting, fine, write me
privately, if you want to pick apart every dam word I say, then think
twice about emailing me, cause I will not reply...
sorry to you who have been polite and want to
>>> what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
A horse's feet should be trimmed such that his feet are in balance with his
conformation, so that his joints aren't stressed. When that happens, and all
else is well (no tight saddles, no back pain, no harsh bits or hars
walking horse people who alter gait say to cure pace you weight the frint,
to cure trot you weight the back.
But we know better than that, right? Gait doesn't originate in the feet. It
originates in the horse's back and rear end, as well as being influenced by
certain indefinable
I know that going barefoot is a huge commitment and not everyone has
the ability to do it...
Why is it a huge commitment? If the horses are suitable for barefoot, they
can do it. If it's THAT hard to transition to, maybe it's not being done
correctly, or maybe the circumstances aren't ri
> > > The three miles of tarmac roads, half a mile gravel and rock
> > driveway and stone path to get to it (it´s part of a bridleway
> leading to the beach).
> > >
> We are not all lucky enough to ride on nice paths, or keep our horses
> in areas where there´s a dry season for hooves to get hard.
Skye and Sally,
I don't have time to reply to all... I did want to say, that for me, I
would have to change them out every 4 weeks, Sometimes I type to fast,
Thanks for catching me...
I was trying to be careful with my words and state what I would do, I
think you have said a lot of great things
For the Record, I personally am trying Not to judge, I did state that
putting shoes on a horse to make it gait, when it is perfectly sound
on the trails ridden means to me that the horse is not naturally
gaited... I was reminded that it might also not be trimmed correctly,
which I should have added
> On Nov 26, 2007 11:16 AM, Mic Rushen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The three miles of tarmac roads, half a mile gravel and rock
> driveway and stone path to get to it (it´s part of a bridleway
leading to the beach).
> >
We are not all lucky enough to ride on nice paths, or keep our horses
i
> > could the farrier be doing them a little long?
>
> i wouldn't honestly know how to tell. but they look quite round to me.
well my horses feet are so horrible right now I'm afraid for even the
farrier to see them. but last time he came he said all the horses
feet around here are real bad b
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 02:51:47PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
> > his rear feet had been bare for almost a year, and aside from some
> > what my farrier called "slight flaring" near the heels were in good
> > shape.
>
> could the farrier be doing them a little long?
i wouldn't honestly know ho
--- "Debbie K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I will restate though that if I had to put shoes on, for what ever
reason, maybe transition to barefoot if I bought a new horse, I would
use the natural balance shoes that Gene O has, however, you really
need to get them on correctly and change them o
> his rear feet had been bare for almost a year, and aside from some
> what my farrier called "slight flaring" near the heels were in good
> shape.
could the farrier be doing them a little long?
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 02:06:24PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
> > > what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
> > >
> > How would that be done?
mostly it seemed to involve giving him a beveled edge, rather than
leaving the hoof wall long where it developed many chips
> > what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
> >
> How would that be done?
walking horse people who alter gait say to cure pace you weight the
frint, to cure trot you weight the back. I bet starnji's change had
something to do with the rear feet. or would that be
On 27/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> what do you think of changing stjarni's barefoot trim so he can trot?
>
> --vicka
How would that be done?
Wanda
> I'll send you one if you like, I have some left (can't say they really
> made any difference whatsoever at the dentist, I was still shaking
> like a bloody leaf ; ( )
you should have asked for laughing gas. I had that one time and I
kept telling them it had no affect on me, then they starte
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:35:56 -0600, you wrote:
>i think i need a valium too.
I'll send you one if you like, I have some left (can't say they really
made any difference whatsoever at the dentist, I was still shaking
like a bloody leaf ; ( )
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
>>>Shoeing to 'balance' a gait is another thing
entirely.<<<
If you're shoeing for gait, it's probably better
described as shoeing to *unbalance*, because you would
be unbalancing the horse's natural way of going. More
*negative* shoeing, than positive shoeing.
Judy
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 12:39:34PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote:
> I feel there is a difference between shoeing for gait enhancement and
> shoeing for protection. Two completely different things in my view.
> I have absolutely no problem when an owner shoes for protection
> because circumstances wa
On 27/11/2007, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i agree with that, but also believe that you can't take the gait out
> of a sound naturally gaited horse even if you try, it will always
> return.
True.
I feel there is a difference between shoeing for gait enhancement and
shoeing for pr
On 11/27/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I get SOO fed up with barefoot evangelists in other countries
> telling me that all my riding horses would be fine without shoes if
> only I would persevere with them and so on, when I have spent
> literally years attempting to convert se
On 11/27/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We shoe QH with such small feet, and flat, I wonder what has happened
> to that breed where you have this enormous horse on tiny little feet.
>
i know exactly what happened--- western pleasure showing. and when
you pull th
> i think that scorn and derision should be reserved for hoof manipulation
> (whether barefoot or with shoes) that results in pain or long-term
> unsoundness for the horse. and i would call that something like "bad
> farriery" or "bad trimming" rather than "manipulation for gait".
>
> --vicka
>
i
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:37:27 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>And it would be good for the barefoot movement if the
>promoters had a little more compassion and a little less judgment for
>those of us who do need to put shoes on for protection.
YES!
I think people also forget that the climate the hor
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:41AM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote:
> I apologize Pam. Apparently we've deeply offended each other when it
> comes to shoeing for gait manipulation.
it occurs to me (as i put on my own shoes for the day -- reebok hi-tops)
that there are no shoes, and no barefoot trims
> While I was out shopping for Icelandics, I rode a horse at a large
> farm (lots of imports). In order to get him to tolt, I was told to
> pull back and up on the reins - hard. After some time doing that I
> told the owner that if it took that much effort to get a horse to tolt,
> then I wasn't
--- "Debbie K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > No, if they need protection I put on boa's, very rarely does
> this happen..
> >
> > Thats wonderful for you. However some people need the protection
> > because of their home pastureyou can not wear boas 24-7.
>
>
>
> Skye, this is begin
On 26/11/2007, Pam Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't have the strength or the stomach for that
> anymore.<<
>
> MY GOD, I am putting a pair of shoes on my horses. Now it is
> manipulating the gait and it is gonna cause spavin. A pair of shoes.
> Unreal.
I apologize Pam. Apparently
>well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer
a
>trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaited horse.
>Janice--
>yipie tie yie yo
While I was out shopping for Icelandics, I rode a horse at a large
farm (lots of imports). In order to get him to tolt, I
I don't have the strength or the stomach for that
anymore.<<
MY GOD, I am putting a pair of shoes on my horses. Now it is
manipulating the gait and it is gonna cause spavin. A pair of shoes.
Unreal.
On 26/11/2007, Pam Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> fast tolt. I am just curious to see what happens when I try shoes on
> both.
> It is my choice.
> I will stick with my farrier.
Just be careful Pam, I've rehabbed a horse who had his gait
manipulated. He always wore shoes before he arrived h
On Nov 26, 2007 11:16 AM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:01:50 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >If I am riding in that kind of stuff, I don't need boots... Why would
> >I need boots for that
>
> The three miles of tarmac roads, half a mile gravel and rock driveway
>>>Pam is saying that her farrier is excellent... and that the gait is
gone... that she has to wear shoes to gait.<<<
First off, both my girls tolt without shoes. Jolly did not lose her
gait totally.I should have stated that. She has an awesome slow tolt
but she had a super fast one before. Luk
On 11/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> hm. i think it doesn't matter so much what i want, but what's
> healthiest for my horse. even if i didn't love his trot, it would worry
> me rather if his feet were in a state that disabled him from doing it.
>
> --vicka
>
yes i th
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:30:20AM -0600, Raven wrote:
> >> and does it make any difference that the gait he "lost" was his
> trot and not his tolt?
>
> well.it would depend on if you wanted trot in your gaited horse.
> sure ...it would be nice if all Huginn did was tolt, but i also enjoy
> h
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:01:50 -0600, you wrote:
>If I am riding in that kind of stuff, I don't need boots... Why would
>I need boots for that
The three miles of tarmac roads, half a mile gravel and rock driveway
and stone path to get to it (it´s part of a bridleway leading to the
beach).
We a
> > In fact, if I could find a multigaited Arabian Mare, I would buy her...
Actually, Janice, I think that's a little broad brushed. We had an
Arab we showed in dressage and did quite well all the way through 4th
level and there were several other Arabs I know that competed in
dressage and did q
>> and does it make any difference that the gait he "lost" was his
trot and not his tolt?
well.it would depend on if you wanted trot in your gaited horse.
sure ...it would be nice if all Huginn did was tolt, but i also enjoy
his trot and i really do believe that it's good for his back to trot
>> personally I believe if you prefer a trot you should buy a trotting
breed horse and not a gaited horse.
IMHO...the best thing about riding an Icelandic is that they trot and
also have smooth pleasure gaits (whatever they may be). <:]Raven
Just for the record, I don't follow Strasser either, I did start down
that trail, and I made things worse... I quickly switched back to a
less radical trim
I trim to the natural angles of the HOOF... not the shoulder, as the
shoulder can change angles... as it is attched by muscle... like I
ha
>> 1. a barefoot horse which in my case, are horses trimmed to natural
angles and are not shod.
my trimmertrims my ponies accourding to their conformation.
>>2. The "Barefoot method" by strasser and others
no way would i allow a strasser trimmer near my ponies. my trimmer
used jamie jackso
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:12:19AM -0600, Debbie K. wrote:
> > and does it make any difference that the gait he "lost" was his trot and
> > not his tolt?
>
> Good point Vicka, however, you are also saying that with the right
> barefoot trim and some other changes he is trotting again... so, you
>
>
> I grew up with Arabians, and we never allowed them to Gait, OH, but
> when dad was not watching, I DID... I really did not know what it was,
> just that it was FUN, FUN, FUN and FAST Now, I know we were Speed
> Racking, or Singlefooting or Racking... some form of a soft gait, I
> don't rem
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:02:31AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
>
> > and does it make any difference that the gait he "lost" was his trot and
> > not his tolt?
>
> well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer a
> trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaite
> well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer a
> trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaited horse.
Janice, that is a whole nother topic, Jewel is multigaited, I love the
trot and the gaits he does, I did not teach him any of them either, he
came with th
i think here we need to point out that as always, we are sometimes
morphing the discussion into two different things:
1. a barefoot horse which in my case, are horses trimmed to natural
angles and are not shod.
and;
2. The "Barefoot method" by strasser and others. Which I dont
really believe
> and does it make any difference that the gait he "lost" was his trot and
> not his tolt?
Good point Vicka, however, you are also saying that with the right
barefoot trim and some other changes he is trotting again... so, you
farretted out the problem, made the necessary changes and found his
> and does it make any difference that the gait he "lost" was his trot and
> not his tolt?
well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer a
trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaited horse.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
i think i have accidentally a natural track system in the front of my
property. It is all natural woods with old paths cut thru by the
former owner who had an atv and a child and they would atv the paths
over and over. My horses are let out in the front regularly and when
they are they go along t
>> gaited horses, any of them, can have spells where the gait is off.
like my Fix, he is awesome gaited at the runningwalk, but when
nervous, tense, afraid, excited, he throws his head high and does a
saddlerack, still a smooth gait
Ya know what Huginn gaits the best? When he is mad at me!! HAHA!!
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:44:54PM -0600, Debbie K. wrote:
> Ya know, Pam, then she must not be naturally gaited if she has to have
> shoes on to gait... that makes no sense to me, no shoes, no gait...
well, nor are all barefoot states created equal. when stjarni first was
without shoes (not a de
>> You ride a lot through 12 inch deep clay mud? You know a boot that
will stay on in that??? PLEASE, tell me!!!
HAHA!! I think in deep mud, Huginn would be bootless. Now..finding a
boot that will stay on in deep mud and fast rushing rivers would be so
nice! I lost a brand NEW boot in the Rush Riv
> You ride a lot through 12 inch deep clay mud? You know a boot that
> will stay on in that??? PLEASE, tell me!!!
if she rides a lot in 12 inch deep clay mud she wont have to worry
about it too much, in no time he'll be as lame as a crippled duck.
Janice
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yipie tie yie yo
> Ya know, Pam, then she must not be naturally gaited if she has to have
> shoes on to gait... that makes no sense to me, no shoes, no gait...
>
> There are other reasons she may not gait, have you thought of them???
shoes/no shoes/ all the things you mention, could disturb gait, throw
the timi
>> I am gonna put shoes on for their gait
Pam..if your Ice Ponies...need shoes for gaiting, then they are not
naturally gaited. Huginn is not the best tolter...but he does still
gait and without shoes. Sure ...I guess if I wanted him to be a
tolting machine, I could try shoes or heavy shoes, but
> >> No, if they need protection I put on boa's, very rarely does this
> >> happen..
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> You ride a lot through 12 inch deep clay mud? You know a boot that
> will stay on in that??? PLEASE, tell me!!!
If I am riding in that kind of stuff, I don't need boots... Why would
I need boots for that???
>> There are three valid reasons that horses are shod: protection,
traction, or to effect a therapeutic change necessary for the horse's
health. All else is vanity
Like I saidHuginn is barefoot and I WILL BOOT as needed. I am not
anti-shoes...if a horses needs them..then use them.
Traction..
>> Just wondering ...how much money to put in a system like that in your area?
I will be putting (trying) a track system in my small pasture next
year. Huginn and Dixie LOVELOVE Debbie's track that she has set up
in the Huginn Pasture at her farm. They move...round and round on the
track, Dix
>>how many of you are able to ride barefoot always and who feels they
need to shoe?
Huginn has been BAREFOOT for ONE YEAR NOW!!! YAHOO!! We have had
NO problems with lameness, ouchiness, and he is gaitinig. I have only
had to boot Huginn once, and that was in June when we rode at
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