Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 07:15:17 -0800 (PST) Thomas Passin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:39:36 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > > > > > If you're taking notes, and you want the absolute fastest input to > > an outline, VimOutliner's what you want. Several times I've taken > >

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

> > zettels ... would be your thoughts on a matter after you have taken your > notes and read your references. They are decomposed into small, > well-focused bits that you can think about and refine over time, and that > you will link to other atoms. > Thanks for the re-focusing

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:39:36 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > > If you're taking notes, and you want the absolute fastest input to an > outline, VimOutliner's what you want. Several times I've taken > contemporaneous, well outlined and well organized notes while attending >

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:26:04 -0800 (PST) Matt Wilkie wrote: > > > > I just found the MindForger project. This actually looks like it > > might do a lot of what we like, and very nicely. It used to be a > > Linux app, but now there's a Windows installer too (Actually, it's > > a QT5 project).

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:02:47 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:11:21 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 8:08:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: >>> >>> Sure, I understand. And I wasn't thinking about

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

@andyjim, let's go with your suggestion and continue this discussion on the thread "Zettelkasten - Notes Jim but not as we know them". I think this thread has gotten just too long. See you there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor"

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:11:21 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 8:08:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: >> >> Sure, I understand. And I wasn't thinking about delineating the >> different pieces by date so much as automatically extracting them. Sounds

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

Hi, On 18/02/20 4:26 p. m., Matt Wilkie wrote: > My dream personal info manager and writing environment has the > structural organization and muscles of Leo, the pliable flexiblity of > Joplin, plump cushyness of Onenote, all together supported, wrapped > and transported as single solid entity

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

> > I just found the MindForger project. This actually looks like it might do > a lot of what we like, and very nicely. It used to be a Linux app, but now > there's a Windows installer too (Actually, it's a QT5 project). It uses > Markdown, and stores its > With Mindforger and TheBrain are

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 7:23:28 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > Definitely, Thomas, and thanks so much for your interest. What I recommend > as a starting point is to get one or more Zettelkasten programs yourself to > familiarize yourself with the concepts and also the sort of GUI that

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 8:08:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > Sure, I understand. And I wasn't thinking about delineating the different > pieces by date so much as automatically extracting them. Sounds like that > won't work. > > However, having the dates in the zettels would

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > I just found the MindForger project. This actually looks like it might do > a lot of what we like, and very nicely. It used to be a Linux app, but now > there's a Windows installer too (Actually, it's a QT5 project).

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > I just found the MindForger project. This actually looks like it might do > a lot of what we like, and very nicely. [snip] > In addition, it's a Markdown editor renders to a panel, and exports to > HTML. > > So it

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

I tried it briefly years ago too, and don't recall why I quit. I think it did have bugs at that time. What format are files stored in? Is it 'forward compatible'? I haven't yet downloaded the free version now, but very much like the capability of a variety of types of links. That's a big

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

I just found the MindForger project. This actually looks like it might do a lot of what we like, and very nicely. It used to be a Linux app, but now there's a Windows installer too (Actually, it's a QT5 project). It uses Markdown, and stores its data in Markdown files. It has several types

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 3:58:48 PM UTC-5, rengel wrote: > > Hi, I just stumbled upon this particular post, but didn't read the whole > thread. But from what I sense here, you are talking about problems that > have been solved by another product that has been dicussed cursorily >

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Sure, I understand. And I wasn't thinking about delineating the different pieces by date so much as automatically extracting them. Sounds like that won't work. However, having the dates in the zettels would have the advantage that they can be searched for in Leo without us having to write

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:08:54 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > Could you send me an example file? It you typed in a date, you probably > did it in a more or less standard way, and maybe we can automate getting it > out without you having to handle each and every file. > BTW, how

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

Hi, I just stumbled upon this particular post, but didn't read the whole thread. But from what I sense here, you are talking about problems that have been solved by another product that has been dicussed cursorily elsewhere on this forum: *TheBrain* (i.e. see the tutorials

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 10:07:07 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: >> >> >>> >>> 7. Time Stamp >>> agreed generally. I do want date of origin, and I would like >>> modification dates as well. The vast bulk of my

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > >> >> 7. Time Stamp >> agreed generally. I do want date of origin, and I would like modification >> dates as well. The vast bulk of my zettels will be extracted from archived >> files, so I will have to manually

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

As you are interested in documentation and Python, a good combination of them are the Jupyter (interactive) Notebooks. You can learn Python 3 using Jupyter and you will be learning also about light Markup languages in an interactive fashion. See more at: https://github.com/jerry-git/learn-python3

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Experimental Restructuered Text format for a zettel]

Hi, Pretty interesting discussion. On the specifics of a file format. Maybe CommonMark + yaml metadata can be as simple as the proposals here and with all the benefits of Pandoc to process and convert between formats. See for example: http://dpaste.com/34H0J3S Cheers, Offray On 7/02/20

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:06:30 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > 6. Link Navigation > And these links are (or can be) embedded in text, right? Do they, or can > they, also link directly to a specific place in the target note, or simply > to the note as a unit? Another way to say that:

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

If anyone wants me to put this in an attached file instead of verbose here, I'll do that. I know I get lengthy. - FLOW It would necessarily be over-simplification, but perhaps the aim of a zettelkasten in software could be rolled into one word: flow. We want a system that triggers, creates,

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:06:30 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > 5. Hierarchical Navigation > The way I see this playing out for me: I will seek a minimal set of > 'highest level' or 'encompassing' headings, the least number under which I > can class everything. Every zettel must

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:06:30 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > 3. Simple Section Demarkations > For distraction-free creative/productive activity I'd like to be able to > optionally see only the text body, or, (and maybe the following belongs > under Display) in a collection/stack of

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Let me know if I should put this in an attached file instead, and I'll do it. Pretty long. 1. No Lockin agreed 2. Text Files agreed 3. Simple Section Demarkations For distraction-free creative/productive activity I'd like to be able to optionally see only the text body, or, (and maybe the

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 10:22 AM andyjim wrote: So a child, through cloning, can also be parent of its parent? > No. That would create a cycle. Leo carefully checks for this and warns if a move or drag would create such a cycle. And a sibling can also be parent of another sibling? > Yes,

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

Thank you Edward, that helps. I can sense that I'm not going to really get it until I do it and find the real world benefits in my own world. I will begin. So a child, through cloning, can also be parent of its parent? And a sibling can also be parent of another sibling? If I grasp this

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:27 AM andyjim wrote: > One thing I wish I understood better is the acyclic graph model, how that plays out in Leo and what it accomplishes for us in organization/linking. In an acyclic graph, a node may have multiple parents. In Leo, all such nodes are clones. They

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:08 PM Thomas Passin wrote: > I have attached the requirements with commentary to this post. I'll take a look. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > And Thomas, perhaps I need to read your papers on semantic processing > (haven't done so yet), as it seems that's more or less what the > zettelkasten model offers (maybe the Leo model, in fact), and it appears > you are

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > One thing I wish I understood better is the acyclic graph model, how that > plays out in Leo and what it accomplishes for us in organization/linking. > It's not too hard to grasp the basics, @andyjim. A graph is a set of

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 9:28:32 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > I have written an initial set of user requirements (attached), and I would > appreciate your thoughts on them. These are very high level requirements, > and they don't include any actual user interface ideas.

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

> > > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > > > The thread you started long ago moved away from the preceding > > > desire. Your preceding desire should be very easy to accomplish > > > using the same method VimOutliner accomplished it: Use executable > > >

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

Well, this gives me a lot to think about. I've been more or less assuming the idea of one zettel/one node as being a limiting one, but perhaps it's the opposite, given all the capabilities of a node, hardly any of which I am familiar with. And that's what I need to do: dig in and get familiar

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Ha! After seeing references to uAs over and over, I finally learn what they are. On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 7:42:09 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:28 PM Thomas Passin > wrote: > > And - maybe this is weird - would there be any problem adding properties >>

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 7:50:56 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:08 PM Thomas Passin > wrote: > > > Using Leo, and making each note be a separate node, we can get just > that kind of ID for free. > > Not "kinda" for free. It's *completely *free for users.

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:08 PM Thomas Passin wrote: > Using Leo, and making each note be a separate node, we can get just that kind of ID for free. Not "kinda" for free. It's *completely *free for users. It's one of Leo's essential features. This didn't *happen* for free behind the scenes :-)

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 9:58 PM andyjim wrote: > A node for each zettel? Thousands of them? > Yes. This is perfectly possible. LeoPyRef.leo contains thousands of nodes, each containing source code. Look, I can't stress this enough. Leo is the ultimate filing cabinet. "Boxes" can contain other

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:28 PM Thomas Passin wrote: And - maybe this is weird - would there be any problem adding properties to > a node? > Not weird at all. Custom properties are called uA's (user attributes). See this page

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 10:58:01 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > A node for each zettel? Thousands of them? > Well, yes, that's what I've been been envisioning. Having thousands of them - whether they are represented as Leo nodes or some other way - will require us to be smart at

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

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Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 9:54:53 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: Maybe it's as simple as entering my UID manually when I prep a file for the > parser, though in that case I would not be using the full YYMMDDHHMMSS > format, probably just YYMMDDxx, since date will be the finest granularity >

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 8:36:01 PM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Thomas Passin > wrote: > > > @ekr, are the identifiers for Leo nodes globally unique, or only within > an outline? > > gnx's (*global* node indices) are supposed to be truly

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:21:10 -0800 (PST) Thomas Passin wrote: > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > > > On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:36:36 -0800 (PST) > > andyjim > wrote: > > > > > > > My thought is to arrange all this in external plain text files > > >

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Thomas Passin wrote: > @ekr, are the identifiers for Leo nodes globally unique, or only within an outline? gnx's (*global* node indices) are supposed to be truly unique. They will be unique unless you are doing something very odd, say by running multiple copies

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 7:56:31 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:55:38 AM UTC-6, stevelitt wrote: > > So you could have a hotkey with the command "inkscape myimage.svg", >> another one "libreoffice mybook.odt", and another one "leo >>

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:36:36 -0800 (PST) > andyjim > wrote: > > > > My thought is to arrange all this in external plain text files > > initially, with the outline organization being in Leo, leaving the > > files

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:55:38 AM UTC-6, stevelitt wrote: So you could have a hotkey with the command "inkscape myimage.svg", > another one "libreoffice mybook.odt", and another one "leo > my_trip_plan.leo" **. > > There are a million ways to do this. The Leonine way is:

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:36:36 -0800 (PST) andyjim wrote: > My thought is to arrange all this in external plain text files > initially, with the outline organization being in Leo, leaving the > files external Hi andyjim, The thread you started long ago moved away from the preceding desire.

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 9:54:53 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > Anybody know how to recover old MS Word 2003 files where I've lost the > password? > *Maybe* ... These are some solutions out there to be found through an internet query. A few of them look relatively simple. How

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

Thanks for being patient with this non-programmer. And I'm glad I stumbled in here and stumbled upon the right person who has a personal interest in Zettelkasten. Are we more or less caught up now? Have I answered all questions where you wanted my responses? What's next step? Any other

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 11:41:38 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > Speaking for myself, with my use case, where the system is for thoughts, I > want as little clutter and distraction as possible, which is the main > reason I’ve never even used markdown. When I’m thinking and writing my >

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

Speaking for myself, with my use case, where the system is for thoughts, I want as little clutter and distraction as possible, which is the main reason I’ve never even used markdown. When I’m thinking and writing my thoughts, I don’t want to have to think about anything at all but writing

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 4]

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 2:15:42 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > Seems this issue needs a lot of thought. Niklas Luhmann's zettels had > numerical ID numbers, without textual clues as to their content. And it > was a paper system. And he certainly didn't work by remembering filenames >

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 4]

Seems this issue needs a lot of thought. Niklas Luhmann's zettels had numerical ID numbers, without textual clues as to their content. And it was a paper system. And he certainly didn't work by remembering filenames (he had 75,000 zettels). I don't think it could have worked with textual,

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

A draft of my 'user's story', in hopes it gives a glimpse of how I see the system playing out. Much is left out of this draft; I just intend it to give a flavor. On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 1:30:36 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 10:30:26 PM UTC-5,

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Experimental Restructuered Text format for a zettel]

> On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:04:30 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: >>> >>> attached is my first draft for a zettel format. >>> >> >> Thanks. Here's my first cut at a format. >> > Here is a Restructured Text

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Experimental Markdown format for a zettel]

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:04:30 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: >> >> attached is my first draft for a zettel format. >> > > Thanks. Here's my first cut at a format. > Here's a Markdown version of the same

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:04:30 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > attached is my first draft for a zettel format. > Thanks. Here's my first cut at a format. It's designed to be easy to type and easy to read. All the keyword data items are optional. I can tell you that it will be

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 10]

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:18:39 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 10:59:37 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: >> >> Andy, thanks for your comments. I will give my reaction to them in a >> series of posts, one per item. >> > > Continuing my reactions

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 9]

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:18:39 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 10:59:37 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: >> >> Andy, thanks for your comments. I will give my reaction to them in a >> series of posts, one per item. >> > > Continuing my reactions

Re: Leo for organizing notes? [Comments Item 4]

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 10:59:37 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > Andy, thanks for your comments. I will give my reaction to them in a > series of posts, one per item. > Continuing my reactions to your comments - 4. Unique Identification @andyjim: "I propose YYMMDDHHMMSS as a UID

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

attached is my first draft for a zettel format. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this

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Andy, thanks for your comments. I will give my reaction to them in a series of posts, one per item. On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 9:52:45 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > I'm attaching my responses to the requirements you wrote, Thomas I'm > thrilled there is more interest here than I had

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

I'm attaching my responses to the requirements you wrote, Thomas I'm thrilled there is more interest here than I had thought. I haven't even digested your comment here yet, just wanted to get my responses posted to hold up my end here. Will gladly consider all thoughts on how we should

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

My 2c: this discussion is interesting and I like watching it unfold, even though my participation is low key so far. Splitting the major ideas into separate threads would be useful. Perhaps preface subject with [zet] to help with filtering. To subscribe using email client instead of the web

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Andy, FWIW I have been following this thread with interest also. Your original post is the first I've ever heard of Zettelkasten and I was immediately drawn to it because I too am on the search for the "Holy Grail" of knowledge repositories. I've configured my settings for this group so that

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 10:30:26 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > Thomas, tell me if this is an inappropriate suggestion, but I wonder if > this thread has pretty much played out its level of pertinence and interest > to the Leo community, since it's not directly about Leo and may be

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Hi Andy, I've not made any comment till now because I'm really short on time, but I have to say that I find this thread REALLY fascinating and a source of really good and stimulating ideas! So I would greatly appreciate if you go on with all this conversation in the open, either if it's here or

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Thank you, got it, and will reply. I had been thinking if I just opened your attachment it should display rendered. Didn't realize that for some reason it doesn't do that unless it's downloaded. Don't understand it, but that's ok. Many things in life I don't understand... Thomas, tell me if

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

> One approach I thought I might take is to 'narrate' a work session with > my envisioned program. Describe what I am wanting to do, how search and > navigation plays out, what does a 'standard zettle' do and not do, etc. > The steps I take and how the software responds, what I see

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 4:00:08 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:01 PM Thomas Passin > wrote: > >> I'm not up on the current books, but here's a possible starting point - >> >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide >> >> One thing to keep in mind.

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:01 PM Thomas Passin wrote: > I'm not up on the current books, but here's a possible starting point - > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide > > One thing to keep in mind. There are two series of Python - 2.x and 3.x. > Python 2 is no longer supported. Stick

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 17:06:42 -0800 (PST) Thomas Passin wrote: > On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 6:41:00 PM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > > > > > > Length can be unavoidable, when there are many interacting parts. > > > > > > > That's when you need a diagram. > > > > Right. What a pain

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 6:41:00 PM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > > > Length can be unavoidable, when there are many interacting parts. > > That's when you need a diagram. > Right. What a pain that we can't have diagrams in an ordinary text file. Grrr. Although the Viewrendered3

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

I'm not up on the current books, but here's a possible starting point - https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide One thing to keep in mind. There are two series of Python - 2.x and 3.x. They are basically very similar but have a few differences. Even though 3.xx has been the main release

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 05:10:01 -0800 (PST) Thomas Passin wrote: > On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream > wrote: > > > > > > Length is not your friend in convincing others. > > > > Length can be unavoidable, when there are many interacting parts. That's when you need

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Thomas, I will respond to your notes, and I'm working on a concise description of my envisioned system. On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 2:01:16 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > Here's another potentially useful paper - > > http://people.csail.mit.edu/msbernst/papers/p337-vankleek.pdf > > The

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

"Nonsense. Anyone over the age of 7 can learn python." Love it! Where do I start? More politely, could you recommend a handful of what you consider the best resources/approach for a beginning programmer? I may or may not dig in, but I might as well give myself the opportunity and exposure.

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Here's another potentially useful paper - http://people.csail.mit.edu/msbernst/papers/p337-vankleek.pdf The actual software project is now defunct, but we might get some ideas from it. On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 9:43:17 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > Here's something interesting.

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 9:43:17 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > Here's something interesting. Remember the Memex, described by Vannebar > Bush in 1945? It sounded like a mixture of the Web and a zettelkasten, > with better media input means than perhaps we have today. Well,

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

I have put the HTML file on my server at http://tompassin.net/pub/zettel/zettel_requirements.html You can just open it in your browser at that address. On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:36:59 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Here's something interesting. Remember the Memex, described by Vannebar Bush in 1945? It sounded like a mixture of the Web and a zettelkasten, with better media input means than perhaps we have today. Well, someone is trying to actually build one, or at least something as close as he can get

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > > Length is not your friend in convincing others. > Length can be unavoidable, when there are many interacting parts. But each of those parts is better when compact. But there's an art here - too terse can be be

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:36:59 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > Thomas, sorry for my ignorance but what do I need to do to view your HTML > file rendered? I can dig out the text as is, but rendering it would make > it a lot easier. I'm not HTML literate. > Do you see that there is a

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:06 PM andyjim wrote: Sure wish I were a programmer. Sometimes I've thought maybe I should dive > into programming just to gain the skills to build this myself, but I think > that's likely way too ambitious, especially at my age. > Nonsense. Anyone over the age of 7 can

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Thanks much Matt and Thomas. I have many pages of notes on this, and as I looked at some notes from 2-3 years ago most of them lack clarity, though some are better than others. One approach I thought I might take is to 'narrate' a work session with my envisioned program. Describe what I am

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:03:04 PM UTC-5, Matt Wilkie wrote: > > > In my opinion writing out an ideal interface (or more accurately: work, > process and interaction flows) are worth doing, if only to clarify for self > what is being sought. I've found it valuable for myself at any rate.

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: > > > Sure wish I were a programmer. Sometimes I've thought maybe I should dive > into programming just to gain the skills to build this myself, but I think > that's likely way too ambitious, especially at my age. > But if/when

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

> I would love to have the opportunity to submit a more lengthy 'essay' > outlining in some detail what I've evolved in my imagination over a few > years of thinking about this. Naming a few features doesn't get the idea > across. I haven't written it up in one piece as yet. I need to

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Thank you again Edward. I wandered in here shyly with an idea I didn't think would get much attention. And it still may not warrant or deserve a lot of interest here. Also the Leo community is about to begin work on 6.2 so I expect there isn't time to spare on something like this.

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 6:48:32 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:40 AM Thomas Passin > wrote: > >> >> Can you imagine trying to work with thousands or tens of thousands of >> nodes in the outline pane? >> > > It could be done easily, if that is what

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:40 AM Thomas Passin wrote: > > Can you imagine trying to work with thousands or tens of thousands of > nodes in the outline pane? > It could be done easily, if that is what you wanted. > Instead, I can see using an @zettel tree whereby if you put a node name > into

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

Thomas, thank you for devoting some time to thinking about this. It's more than I could reasonably expect. Tried to PM you but seems it didn't go through. I agree that files need to be plain text or markdown, even though undoubtedly a database-based system would offer advantages. The 'no

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

As I think about how Leo could be useful with the zettel-box approach, I do see a way. But it's not to have each note be a node in a Leo outline. Can you imagine trying to work with thousands or tens of thousands of nodes in the outline pane? Instead, I can see using an @zettel tree whereby

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:26:31 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > With a set of text (including say Markdown) files, one can fall back to > full text searches if no other system ends up working well enough. Or even > to keeping a paper Zettel-box that refers to the text files by

Re: Leo for organizing notes?

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:54:50 AM UTC-5, vitalije wrote: > > There is one program that I immediately thought of after reading a few > pages about Zettelkasten: fossil and its wiki > feature. It is a single executable (a rather small one ~ 2-3Mb), that can >

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