If you leave out the substance of a conversation to say something that is so
dark that no one can figure out what it means, then you have truly, truly
reached the apex of the natural curve to your career, Newton.
Congratulations. Would you care to say something about the issues Jonathan
has raised
Dakota Jack wrote:
> Newton, you remind me of a 13 year old girl.
Ooo, guess I'd better watch my back then, huh.
> Have you ever said anything worth reading?
>
I'll assume that's rhetorical, since only others could answer that.
Dave
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This is on topic? What about the substantive question, Craig, that you
quizzically said was "WILDLY" off topic. Do you even care to appear
consistent?
On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > So...are any of the othe
So Craig now has committer rights on who is a first class citizen? Quite
frankly, I thought Craig would at least defend the people he put in place
and the people who tore down the house with some excuses other than "we had
to make bad code because we are genius's". But, rather than do that, he
co
Don't complain about the content of the list again, Mitchell. You don't
have the fortitude to respond to questiona about the failure of Struts even
though you are an active committer and you complain about this thread, and
yet, like most of the complainers about the thread, you take it down this
p
Newton, you remind me of a 13 year old girl. Why don't you offer something
worthwhile once in your life. Have you ever said anything worth reading?
Please take your giggling and your curtesying elsewhere. And, leave the
"little boys" alone.
On 3/27/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
Larry Meadors wrote:
So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey?
Larry, Craig brought up the issue of whether certain content was
off-topic for the list, but what about something like your comment here,
which simply has no content and there is no attempt for it to have any
content
On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey?
You mean the WW2 guys? All the ones I've met are first class citizens.
By the way, Jonathan is *not* a WW2 committer -- he's involved in
Freemarker.
Larry
Craig
So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey?
Larry
On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/27/06, Vinny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys?
>
>
> Several of them have already spoken up ... on the dev list, where it
> belo
Vinny wrote:
Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys?
Does Jonathan represent the viewpoint of the WW2 developers that
are coming on board?
Actually, I'm not a WW2 developer. However, FreeMarker is used pretty
centrally in WW2 and FreeMarker currently is largely my fault.
Seriously I'd
Wow... as far as a George Carlin sketch goes, that's grand!
"...arrogant little a**-licking toady bastards..."
Hehe, I gotta remember that one. I think "toady" makes it special :)
Frank
James Mitchell wrote:
Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should
answer.
It _is_
On 3/27/06, Vinny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys?
Several of them have already spoken up ... on the dev list, where it
belongs, where stuff gets decided.
Craig
Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys?
Does Jonathan represent the viewpoint of the WW2 developers that
are coming on board? Seriously I'd rather use Spring, Wicket or Rife than use
something made by people like this guy.
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Jo
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> I think it was a very bad idea on his part.
Of course _you_ do, you foul-mouthed little boy!
_I_ think it was great :D
I'm _still_ all a-giggle!
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Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 3/27/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should
answer.
It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you.
And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your
own
On 3/27/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James Mitchell wrote:
> > [ Jonathon's well-reasoned response ;]
So the whole thing was Jonathan's monologue? In this case I admire his
breadth of writing styles.
I am still wondering how the whole merger will work out with
FreeMarker being def
*rotflmao*
That's beautiful!
I kinda wish _I_ would have gotten that response, though :(
James Mitchell wrote:
> [ Jonathon's well-reasoned response ;]
You just brightened my day _considerably_!
Thanks :D
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On 3/27/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First, why replying in public list? Then, who said what exactly?
> (would be interesting to know, since you offloaded this pile into a
> public list).
Personally, I'm not interested, and I'm dev/nulling the whole thread.
But, then I don't
On 3/27/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should
> > answer.
>
> It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you.
>
>
> And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your
> own not-so-kind o
Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should
answer.
It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you.
And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your
own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because
this is a pu
Emmanouil Batsis wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Struts has also fallen further and further behind technically in its
space. (This has what has led to the Webwork merger so that the
"Struts umbrella" could offer something reasonably up-to-date.)
[Note: This is not a reply to Jonathan perso
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Struts has also fallen further and further behind technically in its
space. (This has what has led to the Webwork merger so that the
"Struts umbrella" could offer something reasonably up-to-date.)
[Note: This is not a reply to Jonathan personally]
I keep seeing post
Jack, I think folks on this list have heard enough complaining and
whinning by you and others. You claim that your right of free speech is
being violated, but all I have heard from you is insults. This is a list
for professional developers, not gangsters!
Also, how are contributing by claiming
I don't know about you, but my email comes organized so that I can easily
work around anything that happens on a list. I would think that this is
fairly normal and something we could expect? I can remember when the dev
list would say "Heh, take that stuff to the user list". But, if things go
to
Dakota,
Thanks for wanting my input :-) I am not looking for censorship,
but I am looking for productive discussions and sometimes that means
pruning one discussion for the sake of another. I tend to agree that
this thread should move onto the dev board; it seems to be the appropraite
place, in my
Well, I for one would be interested in what you have to say, Paul. I think
it is too bad that you feel you cannot answer on this list. That is as
close to a tragedy as it gets. I cannot believe how censorship works on
this list. What a sad thing. I want to get peoples' ideas on this. I
cannot
Why does anyone want to stop a thread? If it stops it stops? What is the
motivation for stopping a discussion? This seems really, really strange. If
you don't want to participate, don't. If you don't like what is being said,
have your own say. But to want other people to stop talking? That is
It has been taken off track by your backers, Craig. There were some
questions raised about why Struts failed and how it might be good to look at
how this list behaves. This is the only forum for that discussion. You get
people that are wonderfully happy with the list that take that concern down
What is your problem with this thread, Mark. Why can you just not STAND it
if the people who are talking talk? Why do you want them to be SILENT? You
talk about other people soiling, smearing, etc., and you are one of the
worse offenders. Jonathon comes on here and makes a few legitimate points
Johnathan,
I am going to eat my own advice. I am going to respond
to this privately :) Expect an email soon.
Paul
--- Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Benedict wrote:
> > +1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint
> > continuously heard in public, some of
Okay, Dave?!? I guess you are right after all: non-public open-source
projects are really quite normal, right? Keep truckin'!
On 3/25/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > This is going to be one of my all time favorites. Brought a HUGE grin
> to my
> > face.
> >
If people want to talk, Mark, what do you care? You and a few other drones
come on and beg people to stop talking. What is that about? Who in the hell
do you think you are to dictate who wants to talk? You always have these
facists tendencies? The trouble is that the truth hurts. Why don't you
e
>
> Martin-
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Raeburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation
>
>
> >I normally i
Well, you managed to avoid the whole issue again, Raeburn. Do you ever
address a topic?
On 3/25/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for
> everyone. This really will be my last word.
>
> Michael, why do you continue t
Paul Benedict wrote:
+1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint
continuously heard in public, some of the latter postings can be
shared privately. Most of it was good, and I think it generated
much good; thanks for sharing.
Well, my problem on this right now is that I jus
+1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint
continuously heard in public, some of the latter postings can be
shared privately. Most of it was good, and I think it generated
much good; thanks for sharing.
--- "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Craig McClanahan w
Craig McClanahan wrote:
No matter where the conversation developed, it has gone in directions that
are off topic on this list. Please feel free to continue the conversation,
but do it somewhere else.
(About to break my own "I'm done posting in this thread" rule)...
Even I, as someone who was
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mark Lowe wrote:
> > Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that
> > apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of
> > half-wit struts users like me..
>
> Mark, I was involved in a conversation with
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mark Lowe wrote:
> > Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that
> > apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of
> > half-wit struts users like me..
>
> Mark, I was involved in a conversation with v
Mark Lowe wrote:
Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that
apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of
half-wit struts users like me..
Mark, I was involved in a conversation with various people. It so
happens that the conversation developed here.
Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that
apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of
half-wit struts users like me..
I was using "smear" more in the context of "to soil"
You might have a point, you might not, you could be the next pope for
all i care.
Mark Lowe wrote:
May I +1000 what steve said, I'm all for a bit of digression, but this
thread has narrowed the sematic gap between "to post" and "to smear"..
What smear? Do you mean "smear" as in "slander"? Could you be more
explicit about this? I think you ought to clarify what you mean by t
Dakota Jack wrote:
> As to the rest, so far as I can tell, you are the troll, my friend.
>
*rotflmao*
And I am most certainly NOT your friend.
Dave
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Dakota Jack wrote:
> While sitting in the biggest pile of crap code one could imagine,
Oo, heavens no.
Maybe you haven't seen much code, but believe me: it gets much, much,
MUCH worse.
Dave
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Dakota Jack wrote:
> This is going to be one of my all time favorites. Brought a HUGE grin to my
> face.
>
Weird, but okay.
If you are addressing the apparent dichotomy with "publicly-accessible"
and "open-source" then you probably just don't know very much, but I'll
talk slowly, as there are
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> When people do start using their commit privileges they are usually
> quite timid about it initially and initiate discussion on your list
> prior to doing anything remotely controversial. People typically start
> off doing very small localized things. And these things are
May I +1000 what steve said, I'm all for a bit of digression, but this
thread has narrowed the sematic gap between "to post" and "to smear"..
Its just become some sick kind of dirty protest
http://pso.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/pso1700/DIRTY%20PROTESTS.htm..
Mark
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I have no publicly-accessible open-source projects. If I did, I would
not give commit access to anybody that asked for it, because I do not
have the time to review the contributions of others and do not trust J.
Random Coder enough to assume that th
truts Users Mailing List"
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation
I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for
everyone. This really will be my last word.
Michael, why do you continue to waste your tim
Steve Raeburn wrote:
I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for
everyone. This really will be my last word.
Michael, why do you continue to waste your time on such a "big pile of
crap" as Struts? What kind of a fool must you be for using the world's
worst web fram
I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for
everyone. This really will be my last word.
Michael, why do you continue to waste your time on such a "big pile of
crap" as Struts? What kind of a fool must you be for using the world's
worst web framework, run by a bunch
The fact is that there will not be an explanation for this failure. While
sitting in the biggest pile of crap code one could imagine, they continue to
extoll their virtues as if they were about to be mentioned for an honorarium
in computer history.
On 3/24/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is going to be one of my all time favorites. Brought a HUGE grin to my
face.
On 3/24/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have no publicly-accessible open-source projects.
--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~
I could not bear the thought of having some of these committers talk about
my code when they have trouble with the English language, much less Java.
On 3/24/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Jouravlev wrote:
> > On 3/24/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
Good God, Michael, he was trying to be sarcastic and only reached sardonic
but fooled you. Do you actually think a lightbulb like Raeburn would be
agreeing with Revusky? Don't you realize that Raeburn is another one of
"DOH" bunch?
On 3/24/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On
I don't think you see, Steve, that this sardonic cuteness misses the whole
point. While you seem to think you have it all going on, this in fact is
inane. No one in their right mind without some political in or position
would take much time to contribute to Struts, because the process is
complete
Turns out you were talking about, as I understand you, code in company as
opposed to code on an open source project. This is totally irrelevant. The
issue is not whether there are people who make mistakes in companies. The
issue is about open source. Those are not the same. So, do you have any
Again, sigh, this is irrelevant. This is so off the topic and the point.
How you could think this is relevant is truly a mystery.
On 3/24/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > I flat don't believe this. Who, what, where, when, etc?
> >
>
> This isn't me (although
Steve Raeburn wrote:
Bottom line is that this is the way Apache works and it's not going to
change.
Of course not.
Especially when, even when your practices fail, you can convince people
like the Webwork guys to give you code and mask your failure.
I guess you *could* continue to argue th
Bottom line is that this is the way Apache works and it's not going to
change.
I guess you *could* continue to argue that this method has been a
failure for both Struts and Apache (and most other significant open
source projects), but I think the evidence suggests otherwise.
Steve
Jonathan
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> No, they're not insofar as code is code. However, there are huge
> differences in the motivations and in the overall sociology or
> dynamics of the situation though. In the open-source case, nobody is
> working on some project that they find uninteresting because their bos
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I just visited the above link and read the article and I don't see how
this can be presented as evidence against a more open collaborative
model. Basically it's the story of a bug. Somebody made a mistake.
People will make mistakes regardless.
Yep.
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 3/24/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have an idea. Why don't we publish the source code to Struts so that
absolutely anyone can contribute to the project. You are right that
we'll need a review process for all those contributions. So why don't we
requi
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> Tell me, does the same old wine in a new bottle taste any different?
Depends on the new bottle and the process used to transfer the wine.
Yep; wine geek, too.
Dave
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Steve Raeburn wrote:
I have an idea. Why don't we publish the source code to Struts so that
absolutely anyone can contribute to the project. You are right that
we'll need a review process for all those contributions. So why don't we
require all incoming code to be reviewed by at least one exper
On 3/24/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an idea. Why don't we publish the source code to Struts so that
> absolutely anyone can contribute to the project. You are right that
> we'll need a review process for all those contributions. So why don't we
> require all incoming code
I have an idea. Why don't we publish the source code to Struts so that
absolutely anyone can contribute to the project. You are right that
we'll need a review process for all those contributions. So why don't we
require all incoming code to be reviewed by at least one experienced
developer befo
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> I just visited the above link and read the article and I don't see how
> this can be presented as evidence against a more open collaborative
> model. Basically it's the story of a bug. Somebody made a mistake.
> People will make mistakes regardless.
Yep.
Guess what, tho
Dave Newton wrote:
Dakota Jack wrote:
I flat don't believe this. Who, what, where, when, etc?
This isn't me (although I did fix an essentially identical bug in an
internal webapp at Morgan Stanley (who), an Action instance variable
(what), in Morristown (where), spring 2004 (when), becaus
Dakota Jack wrote:
> I flat don't believe this. Who, what, where, when, etc?
>
This isn't me (although I did fix an essentially identical bug in an
internal webapp at Morgan Stanley (who), an Action instance variable
(what), in Morristown (where), spring 2004 (when), because they paid me
(why)
Dakota Jack wrote:
> I flat don't believe this. Who, what, where, when, etc?
>
Uh... you're saying you don't believe I've managed and/or worked on
large projects at large companies?
Or you're saying that you don't believe that I've had (occasionally
_substantial_) issues with sub-standard cod
I flat don't believe this. Who, what, where, when, etc?
On 3/23/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > I have no recollection of having wronged you in any specific way.
>
> You sprayed then, you spray now. No change. "They" told me not to feed
> the trolls then
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> I have no recollection of having wronged you in any specific way.
You sprayed then, you spray now. No change. "They" told me not to feed
the trolls then, they tell me not to feed the trolls now.
>> I really don't believe we're so far apart on this: I think the bar for
>>
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I already am spending too much time on this [...]
Agreed.
2. I know that there is significant animosity towards me here [...]
My animosity towards you is from years ago, actually;
I remember that vaguely, yes. Still feeling animosity over t
Lord, Al, do you realize you have just concluded that it is impossible to
fail to see what a product is or does from a website? This is not like
you. Usually you make sense. But, this is right along the lines of a
Newton (Dave) or a Mitchell (James). Oh, wait, it was Mitchell. LOL
Sorry, Al.
The "bar" to committing on Struts is NOT the issue. The issue is the mess.
I cannot agree more with Jonathan. It is s good to hear from someone
who sounds mature and sensible.
On 3/23/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > I already am spending too much ti
On 3/23/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You claim that someone who hits the website cannot understand what the
> product is or does. How can you claim this unless you actually DO
> understand what it is and therefore it must be confusing for someone who
> doesn't.
This is hilario
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> I already am spending too much time on this [...]
Agreed.
> 2. I know that there is significant animosity towards me here [...]
My animosity towards you is from years ago, actually; I won't speak for
anybody else.
> From whence From whence Is the Shakespearean
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
As regards insults, there is a difference of perspective here. My own
feeling is that in all of my posts I have exercised a great degree of
self-restraint.
Unless you count being able to state your view concisely.
There are 2 basic reasons that m
On 3/23/06, Emmanouil Batsis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> As a mortal user i would suggest that all this discussion to be taken
> somewhere else, but i have a strong feeling that the motives behind this
> and many other thread posts during the last few months are actually fed
> by the
Sometimes I wonder if you are just not working on too little horsepower,
James. Do you really, no kidding, honestly, think Jonathan was talking
about a business model here? If so, I apologize for arguing with you. If
not, try to be more genuine and to reply to what people are saying versus
these
When someone is telling you that you are going in the wrong direction, a
good answer is not "Help me go faster".
On 3/23/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Jonathan, I can't seem to find your patch to fix the website anywhere
> in
> >> bugzilla. Can you point me to it?
> >
> > J
Try using a good browser. I am not willing to change my life to suit your
apparent inability to handle email.
On 3/23/06, Emmanouil Batsis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> As a mortal user i would suggest that all this discussion to be taken
> somewhere else, but i have a strong feelin
; bugzilla. Can you point me to it?
>
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> From: "Jonathan Revusky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday,
Jonathan, I can't seem to find your patch to fix the website anywhere in
bugzilla. Can you point me to it?
James, I understand that this is some kind of attempt at sarcasm. The
problem is that you're obviously not really thinking about what you're
saying.
Oh, maybe you are right. What I re
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> As regards insults, there is a difference of perspective here. My own
> feeling is that in all of my posts I have exercised a great degree of
> self-restraint.
Unless you count being able to state your view concisely.
> [...] people literally claim that the managers of
Hello,
As a mortal user i would suggest that all this discussion to be taken
somewhere else, but i have a strong feeling that the motives behind this
and many other thread posts during the last few months are actually fed
by the visibility of the mailing list itself.
Anyway, just wanted to
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To:
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Henri Yandell wrot
On 3/23/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Niall Pemberton wrote:
> >
> > I don't believe this is true - from what I see Jonathan Revusky's only
> > desire is to see the demise of Apache -
>
> Very good, Niall. Since you're so good at reading my mind, could you
> tell me how I plan t
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:29 AM
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Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to
a
Niall Pemberton wrote:
On 3/23/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Struts is a cool community. The users are actively involved, in terms
of answering and asking; people obviously care about the community -
as shown by both your and Dakota's questions and by the desire of the
committers
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to
a codebase.
Henri, I feel I should give you a bit of end-user feedback. I am not
active in any apache.org projects, but, o
On 3/22/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3/22/06, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 3/23/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Struts is a cool community. The users are actively involved, in terms
> > > of answering and asking; people obviously car
On 3/22/06, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3/23/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Struts is a cool community. The users are actively involved, in terms
> > of answering and asking; people obviously care about the community -
> > as shown by both your and Dakota's
On 3/23/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Struts is a cool community. The users are actively involved, in terms
> of answering and asking; people obviously care about the community -
> as shown by both your and Dakota's questions and by the desire of the
> committers to work to keep th
On 3/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> >
> > foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to
> > a codebase.
>
> Henri, I feel I should give you a bit of end-user feedback. I am not
> active in any apache.org projects, but, obviously,
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/19/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have expressed my "technical concerns" more than once. I have even had
Craig agree with them, in a sense. JSF is built for those who are
technically challenged and for tools. I don't think even Craig thinks that
JSF is
On 3/22/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to point out that communities and PMCs in Apache decidedly do
> NOT have a one-to-one mapping.
If you dig into them though, they're changing.
Web Services is flattening, XML is federating, I'm being a pain at
Jakarta trying to get
I would like to point out that communities and PMCs in Apache decidedly do
NOT have a one-to-one mapping. I would also like to point out that a lot of
our "community" is migrant workers brought in especially for Shale and
having nothing much at all to do with the Struts community. Many of them
on
On 3/19/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have expressed my "technical concerns" more than once. I have even had
> Craig agree with them, in a sense. JSF is built for those who are
> technically challenged and for tools. I don't think even Craig thinks that
> JSF is superior as a pr
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