RE: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

[Michail Wilson]

Sorry bud, if I knew it was you…… Ummm, Ok, I would still have bid on them.  
Heh.
Finally, after many years of waiting on them, they appeared on ebay (at least 
that I have noticed) and barely got them because of the UK only listing.

I’m excited to make ‘something’ with them.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Scales
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 11:01 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

I bid too (I am in the UK and I was aware of their provenance and I live just 
20 minutes away from them!) - it was interesting watching the numbers going up!

I'd be fairly confident that they were all good.

Well done on outbidding me ;-)

- Richard


On Monday 29 April 2024 at 03:18:24 UTC+1 Michail Wilson wrote:
I won the auction which some might wonder how since they were not sold to the 
USA.
I’ve been talking to a guy from the Ukraine and he sent me a link.  I decided I 
wanted them, but seller would not ship out of the country.

I’m in a Bitcoin forum/chat rooms and someone I’ve dealt with for a while had 
me thinking….. I had him bid and pay for me.

Story on the auction… Not tested.  Auction says 6, but 4 extra included just in 
case.   So, possibly 10.   Since I’ve only ever had two, I decided to win it.
Talking to seller and it turns out they were part of the late John Smout’s 
collection.  Now I got really excited and thinking all 10 should be good.

Two days prior to having a friend bid on them had me worried, because he didn’t 
answer messages.  Uhhhg.  He came through and manually bid for me.

So, a double shipping, and I will find out in about a month.  Well, maybe 
longer since I don’t have any project boards, etc.

My guess is about 1125 L total.  Around $150 each assuming all are good.  Not 
considering the extras in the package yet.

Note:  I picked up another of his auctions as well which was VFDs.  IV-25’s

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nicholas Stock
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 4:31 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

I've given up thinking what a good price is now that looks like about $200 
each when taking tax/currency conversion into account.

They are very nice tubes when lit up. They've gone to a good home (presumably 
Michail from his smiley face reply... ;)

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 4:28 PM Robert  wrote:
Good price?


Rob

On 28 Apr 2024, at 16:16, Michail Wilson  wrote:



Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 4:55 AM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

Not my auction but did anyone on here get them

 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266778846760?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=oUHk6HLEQUG=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266778846760?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=oUHk6HLEQUG=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY>


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RE: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

[Michail Wilson]

I won the auction which some might wonder how since they were not sold to the 
USA.
I’ve been talking to a guy from the Ukraine and he sent me a link.  I decided I 
wanted them, but seller would not ship out of the country.

I’m in a Bitcoin forum/chat rooms and someone I’ve dealt with for a while had 
me thinking….. I had him bid and pay for me.

Story on the auction… Not tested.  Auction says 6, but 4 extra included just in 
case.   So, possibly 10.   Since I’ve only ever had two, I decided to win it.
Talking to seller and it turns out they were part of the late John Smout’s 
collection.  Now I got really excited and thinking all 10 should be good.

Two days prior to having a friend bid on them had me worried, because he didn’t 
answer messages.  Uhhhg.  He came through and manually bid for me.

So, a double shipping, and I will find out in about a month.  Well, maybe 
longer since I don’t have any project boards, etc.

My guess is about 1125 L total.  Around $150 each assuming all are good.  Not 
considering the extras in the package yet.

Note:  I picked up another of his auctions as well which was VFDs.  IV-25’s

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nicholas Stock
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 4:31 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

I've given up thinking what a good price is now that looks like about $200 
each when taking tax/currency conversion into account.

They are very nice tubes when lit up. They've gone to a good home (presumably 
Michail from his smiley face reply... ;)

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 4:28 PM Robert 
mailto:robnorman...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Good price?


Rob


On 28 Apr 2024, at 16:16, Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:



Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Robert
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 4:55 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

Not my auction but did anyone on here get them

 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266778846760?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=oUHk6HLEQUG=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266778846760?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=oUHk6HLEQUG=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY>


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RE: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

[Michail Wilson]



Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Robert
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 4:55 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] ZM1350

Not my auction but did anyone on here get them

 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266778846760?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=oUHk6HLEQUG=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266778846760?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=oUHk6HLEQUG=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY>


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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent display projects ?

[Michail Wilson]

That is the type of burn in I have experienced as well.
Not just on the small one you have, but on the various sizes.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
gregebert
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 11:23 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent 
display projects ?

There are some on Ebay right now (I have no affiliation with the seller). Do a  
search for IEL-0. I suggest shopping around for awhile to get the best price. 
I'm a bit nervous about the IEL-0-IV displays. After 10 days of basic testing, 
my test device has noticeable burning, though I cant confirm if the luminous 
output has dropped. I need to build a photometer and do more testing. Prior to 
using it, the entire screen was the same color.

[cid:image001.jpg@01DA8507.FF65FC30]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7 Nick Andrews wrote:
Has anyone seen any of these for sale in the last few years?  I'd be interested 
in the project if I had some!

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 5:24 PM gregebert  wrote:
Right now it looks like there will be 3 different PCB's: One for the HV power 
supply, one for a single I-95, and another for 2-4 IEL-0-IV (I havn't sized the 
board yet, but it needs to be less than 4" per side). I use a modular design 
approach, and everything is connected with a 10-pin ribbon-cable serial bus I 
call IOLINK. So if you are willing to adapt your favorite controller to the 
IOLINK interface, which uses 12V signalling (2 inputs, 5 outputs), these boards 
will be workable for you.
On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:59:59 AM UTC-7 Keith Moore wrote:
I am interested but not much help with the design. I'd love to use my displays 
though.
On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:43:24 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote:
I'm finally at the point I have time to work on a design for my Soviet-era 
electroluminescent displays. I have 2 types, the smaller IEL-0-IV, and a much 
larger I-195. Both are the 'alien' style formats, and will make unusual clocks.

I have done some very initial testing on the smaller one, and it appears to be 
burning the phosphor after just a few hours of usage. It's not lit very bright, 
so I dont know if this is a common burn-in phase, or not. Documentation is 
pretty limited, and I've been running a 50-page document page-by-page thru 
google translate; so far nothing has come up regarding burn-in.

If anyone out there is working-on IEL's, or planning-to do so, please chime in 
so we can start a discussion here.

[https://groups.google.com/u/1/group/neonixie-l/attach/e45ea79bdaf5/electrolum.jpg?part=0.1=1]
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[neonixie-l] eBay B-7971

[Michail Wilson]

Careful.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/196312588768

I asked…
Have you done any testing? Example with a plasma ball? Visible cracks? You 
willing to accept returns if they don’t work if opened and tested on video?

His response was:
Can you please Read? Not tested! UNTESTED! AS IS for display ONLY and 
Absolutely no return. For parts or not working.


I was hoping he would at least check for cracks, but instead he added text to 
his auction saying…
Final Sale and NO Returns. Tubes are for display ONLY in Untested condition.


Michail

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RE: [neonixie-l] Beckman SP-353s on eBay -- WARNING !!

[Michail Wilson]

Heh

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jeff Walton
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 9:20 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Beckman SP-353s on eBay -- WARNING !!

Here's some friendly advice:  don't ever use the end of a paper clip to test 
whether there is a glass seal inside that nipple.  The little pop you hear is 
the sound of magic gas escaping.  It's fragile...

Jeff


 Original message 
From: "Jon D." mailto:jondad...@gmail.com>>
Date: 3/1/24 10:10 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Beckman SP-353s on eBay -- WARNING !!

Well, my bad then.  I actually have a few of these somewhere that I know work, 
but I never noticed them looking like these.  My apologies to the group.  And 
thanks for all of the quick feedback !!
On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 10:06:06 AM UTC-7 Jeff Walton wrote:
Hi Jon,

Actually, if you have worked with panaplex, you will recognize that these 
nipples are normal.  The glass seal is actually sucked into the stem that you 
are seeing.  I've bought from this seller and they are used but worked fine.  I 
paid less than the listing price.

Jeff

 Original message 
From: "Jon D." 
Date: 3/1/24 9:40 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Beckman SP-353s on eBay -- WARNING !!

CAUTION !!  Buyer BEWARE !!!

>From this eBay auction: Beckman SP-353 Gas Discharge 3 Digits 7-segment Display
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233805887906?mkpid=0=e11304.m43.l3160=osgood=49c6ad514b75487aad670cc6dd87e9ff=43123697509=0=0=-1%7E1=20240301092435=11304

Photo of back of all 4 shows glass nipples ALL broken off (i.e. no neon inside).

"Sold as is."  I wonder why ???  (photo attached)

He's offering these to me for $37.52 each (25% off of $49.88) !!  What a 
deal

Jon J.

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RE: [neonixie-l] Beckman SP-353s on eBay -- WARNING !!

[Michail Wilson]

Hello,

I have about 50 units myself.  They all look the same as in the photo.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jon D.
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 8:41 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Beckman SP-353s on eBay -- WARNING !!

CAUTION !!  Buyer BEWARE !!!

>From this eBay auction: Beckman SP-353 Gas Discharge 3 Digits 7-segment Display
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233805887906?mkpid=0=e11304.m43.l3160=osgood=49c6ad514b75487aad670cc6dd87e9ff=43123697509=0=0=-1%7E1=20240301092435=11304

Photo of back of all 4 shows glass nipples ALL broken off (i.e. no neon inside).

"Sold as is."  I wonder why ???  (photo attached)

He's offering these to me for $37.52 each (25% off of $49.88) !!  What a 
deal

Jon J.

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RE: [neonixie-l] B-7971 on ebay for $140

[Michail Wilson]

Absolutely not.
New were shipped in Styrofoam containers holding about 25 of them.  There were 
stored in old boxes of six according to the pictures.
These were in paper bags with handwriting on them.  Also, new was never sold 
with sockets which you can tell also had their ends soldered.

The date appears to be Jan 2nd, 2000 So, although they may have been in 
storage since 2000, they were not new.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:35 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] B-7971 on ebay for $140

Do you think they were N.O.S.?

Rob


On 7 Feb 2024, at 17:43, H. Carl Ott 
mailto:hcarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just have a minor addiction to reddit and saw the thread earlier today.

  And looks like someone just scooped them all up.
 Backstory probably helped with the zero feedback.
  Good luck to whoever got them.

carl

Henry Carl Ott   N2RVQhcarl...@gmail.com<mailto:hcarl...@gmail.com>


On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 12:36 PM Nicholas Stock 
mailto:nickst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks Carl.

My wife's nightmare is that I croak early and she's left with figuring out what 
to do with my hoard...

Thanks for the plug Paul :)



On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:28 AM H. Carl Ott 
mailto:hcarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Backstory:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nixie/comments/1ako4k3/i_recently_inherited_two_boxes_of_burroughs_b7971/

carl (no affiliation)

Henry Carl Ott   N2RVQhcarl...@gmail.com<mailto:hcarl...@gmail.com>


On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 11:47 AM Nicholas Stock 
mailto:nickst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's a pretty reasonable price these days...

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:45 AM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/315143518581

Not my auction.   0 feedback user, but has 10 available.

Michail
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[neonixie-l] B-7971 on ebay for $140

[Michail Wilson]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315143518581

Not my auction.   0 feedback user, but has 10 available.

Michail

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: An Introduction,

[Michail Wilson]

Good job.

I make similar projects for Price stats.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Roman Spark
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 9:08 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: An Introduction,

Hello,
My Nixie clocks can show not only the time but also any other information that 
is transmitted to it via the serial port. You connect the watch with a USB 
cable to your computer and send it whatever you need. I mainly use it to show 
the price of Bitcoin and the results of football matches online. However, in 
general, the possibilities are not limited to this, you can also show the 
temperature, pressure, ping, fps, and much, much more. So I thought it would be 
fun to do something new on two clocks at once. I've never done anything like 
this before.

The resultant is attached. Data is taken once a minute from 
https://theskylive.com/voyager1-info
Good luck with your project,
Roman
середа, 13 вересня 2023 р. о 11:25:43 UTC+3 Craig Garnett пише:
Thanks for all the info,

Currently I'm only using 2 chips (and opto isolators) to multiplex the display 
whereas going static looks like it will increase the complexity quite a bit.
I'll see how bright I can get the tubes without the current getting excessive.
I've also found some neat little PIR modules that can be easily incorporated 
into the design.

Craig
On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 14:41:43 UTC+1 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 00:07:04 UTC+1 gregebert wrote:
I'm not a fan of multiplexing nixies because of the additional current that can 
lead to shorter lifespan.

Me neither as I can hear the whine of the vibrating segments in my old B-7971 
clock I built in 1979 that is multiplexed. As for shortened life, I do not know 
what other manufacturers did but the Rodan GR-111pa tubes I have were designed 
to be multiplexed. The "a" variant were for multiplexed use and the non-"a" 
direct drive from what I understand from the spec sheet. The board I pulled my 
GR-111pa's from was definitely designed for multiplex operation as all the tube 
segments were wired in parallel with the anodes separate. They do work fine as 
direct drive tubes. I assume they have a more robust design to stand up to the 
demands of multiplexing.
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RE: [neonixie-l] B7971 - better contrast

[Michail Wilson]

Same here.
I have 5x MOD_6 clocks (various versions).  2 with ‘antenna’ tubes. I notice no 
difference; however, I pride myself on having the antenna tubes.  Maybe it was 
just me, but having had hundreds (if not a thousand) of B7971 tubes, I have 
only run across the 13 antenna tubes  (yes, only 1 spare).

Michail

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Nicholas Stock
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 11:14 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] B7971 - better contrast

I have a MOD_6 with pin-top tubes in them. Absolutely no visual difference to 
the non-pin ones when compared side by side.

Jeff, you should have bought more when you could 

I still rue the day when I thought a box of 100 IN14's at $99 was expensive.

Nick
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 6, 2023, at 07:34, Robert G. Schaffrath 
mailto:robert.schaffr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have one of the pin top tubes 
(https://n2jtx.com/NixieClock/Used%20Burroughs%20B-7971.jpg). Unlike most of my 
other tubes, it is a Burroughs branded tube and not Ultronics. The only thing I 
ever noticed different about it was it seemed to have a deeper red glow than 
the Ultronics tubes which are more orange. Perhaps a different amount of 
mercury in it. Someday when I think about it I'll test it again.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 3:50:55 AM UTC-4 Jeff Walton wrote:
I have a number of these "rare pin-top" B-7971's and do not find any 
significant difference in contrast with the Ultronics versions of the 7971s .  
The pin-topped or "antenna top" construction is an early format that uses a 
wired backplane instead of the PCB style interconnect.  It's a nice tube that 
looks good as a group in any clock.  There is no practical difference in 
operation  or appearance and there are certainly some MOD-6 clock owners that 
have full sets of these tubes in operation will tell you that they are equally 
reliable.   They will have date codes in the mid-1960s.

It is uncommon to see a group like this available.   $250 to $275 each per tube 
seems to be the going price on ebay these days.  Overpriced but worth whatever 
someone is willing to pay.

My first tubes were $8/pair from Buckbee-Mears and Polypaks back in the early 
1970's and included the boards with each pair.

Jeff

 Original message 
From: Robert 
Date: 7/5/23 2:11 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] B7971 - better contrast

Not my auction but I saw this 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266322565516?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=v3sg3SvYRJa=4429486=U1YeAcPgQ5y=_ver=artemis=COPY

In the description it says “This sale is for lots of "Pin-Top" version of the 
B-7971. The rare "Pin-Top" versions are made with a darker background on the 
segments that provide better contrast.”

I have some of these but have never noticed this

Rob
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Limitation resistance on IN-4

[Michail Wilson]

Welcome.  :)

Sent from Space

On Jun 27, 2023, at 5:06 AM, Benoit Tourret  wrote:

Hello  Michail,
I tested  4, 7 and 13 connected together as anode, it works fine.
I don't need to rise the voltage, 180V is just perfect. I'll see in a couple of 
days if the 3k resistors are OK or if I must ajust it.

Thanks a lot !!!

Le lundi 26 juin 2023 à 20:45:24 UTC+2, Michail Wilson a écrit :
Here is a picture of a clock I wanted to do with sockets.  If you look closely, 
you have see commons tied together from stock Russian wiring.

[image0.jpeg]


Sent from Space

On Jun 26, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Benoit Tourret  wrote:



755 / 5 000
Résultats de traduction
Résultat de traduction
star_border
I made some new tests. I mounted 6 IN-12 tubes on the clock board. I noticed 
that there were 3K resistors on board. So I plugged my tubes directly into the 
board without adding any resistance. It worked directly at 170V. The problem 
comes from the tubes or their wiring. I'm reassured, I can still hold a 
soldering iron. On the other hand, concerning the pinout of the IN-4 tubes, I 
read everything and its opposite. between the biquinary mode, the even/odd 
anodes and the anodes marked A1, A2 and A3, I am lost. I have 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 
9, 11, 12 and 14 for the cathodes wired in parallel and 13 for the anode. but 
the numbers 0 and 2 are very difficult to light. How to connect these tubes ??? 
should I connect the 4, 7 and 10 to the 13 ??


Regards,
Benoit.

Le jeudi 22 juin 2023 à 23:24:47 UTC+2, Benoit Tourret a écrit :
I am at the maximum allowed by the software: 200V
I can mesure between 195 and 198V.

At the max brightness, I am less bright than another IV-4 clock I have. 
(Sputnik clock, 1 x 4 Mutiplexed + 1 OG-4)

If I enable the LDR, under 250 some digits doesn't light, (usually the 0 witch 
is more difficult to lit than the 1 with a low voltage).
with a minimum of 300, the 0 are sometimes flickering,
I even put a complete new set of 6 bulbs, never used.



Le jeudi 22 juin 2023 à 20:19:00 UTC+2, Blitzen a écrit :
What is your voltage set at? 6.8K would be an appropriate resistance for these 
tubes at 180vdc in direct-drive mode, which that clock kit is not; it's a 1x6 
multiplex. Multiplexing usually yields a less-bright display. There is some 
debate as to whether or not you should use lower resistance to make them 
brighter.
Since that kit gives you the option to raise the voltage, I would try that 
first.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:27:45 AM UTC-5 Benoit Tourret wrote:
Hello Everybody, what resistor would you add to the IN-4 tubes on a  Classic 
Rev6 Clock   board from  nixieclock.biz<http://nixieclock.biz> ?
I put one 6.8K per tube on the anodes, but the tubes are a bit weak,

Any idea ?

Regards,
Benoit.


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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Limitation resistance on IN-4

[Michail Wilson]

Just tie the anodes together

Sent from Space

On Jun 26, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Benoit Tourret  wrote:



755 / 5 000
Résultats de traduction
Résultat de traduction
star_border
I made some new tests. I mounted 6 IN-12 tubes on the clock board. I noticed 
that there were 3K resistors on board. So I plugged my tubes directly into the 
board without adding any resistance. It worked directly at 170V. The problem 
comes from the tubes or their wiring. I'm reassured, I can still hold a 
soldering iron. On the other hand, concerning the pinout of the IN-4 tubes, I 
read everything and its opposite. between the biquinary mode, the even/odd 
anodes and the anodes marked A1, A2 and A3, I am lost. I have 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 
9, 11, 12 and 14 for the cathodes wired in parallel and 13 for the anode. but 
the numbers 0 and 2 are very difficult to light. How to connect these tubes ??? 
should I connect the 4, 7 and 10 to the 13 ??


Regards,
Benoit.

Le jeudi 22 juin 2023 à 23:24:47 UTC+2, Benoit Tourret a écrit :
I am at the maximum allowed by the software: 200V
I can mesure between 195 and 198V.

At the max brightness, I am less bright than another IV-4 clock I have. 
(Sputnik clock, 1 x 4 Mutiplexed + 1 OG-4)

If I enable the LDR, under 250 some digits doesn't light, (usually the 0 witch 
is more difficult to lit than the 1 with a low voltage).
with a minimum of 300, the 0 are sometimes flickering,
I even put a complete new set of 6 bulbs, never used.



Le jeudi 22 juin 2023 à 20:19:00 UTC+2, Blitzen a écrit :
What is your voltage set at? 6.8K would be an appropriate resistance for these 
tubes at 180vdc in direct-drive mode, which that clock kit is not; it's a 1x6 
multiplex. Multiplexing usually yields a less-bright display. There is some 
debate as to whether or not you should use lower resistance to make them 
brighter.
Since that kit gives you the option to raise the voltage, I would try that 
first.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:27:45 AM UTC-5 Benoit Tourret wrote:
Hello Everybody, what resistor would you add to the IN-4 tubes on a  Classic 
Rev6 Clock   board from  nixieclock.biz ?
I put one 6.8K per tube on the anodes, but the tubes are a bit weak,

Any idea ?

Regards,
Benoit.


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RE: [neonixie-l] Anybody interested in one of these, i'll let it go real cheap

[Michail Wilson]

Yes.  It is.

Michail

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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 10:47 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Anybody interested in one of these, i'll let it go 
real cheap

is that one of those OLED (or IPS?) display clocks that look like nixies?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Anybody interested in one of these, i'll let it go real cheap

[Michail Wilson]

What is real cheap?

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On May 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, MichaelB  wrote:



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RE: [neonixie-l] New build!

[Michail Wilson]

I’m confused.
What do you mean by, “No ICs, not switching power supplies.”


Michail
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martin martin
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 7:33 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] New build!

Greetings all,
If you are in the mood for more than 1000 solder connections and about 12 hours 
of work... build this!

You can pick one up at :
https://stocksclocks.com/
No ICs, not switching power supplies.
Worked right away too.  Comes with nice looking acrylic shell too.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-8-2 Anode wire broken

[Michail Wilson]

Why not try to quick soldier a lead wire to it.  I’ve done it often with a 
number of IN-14s I’ve received.   Especially since I use the decimal points 
which many have had the legs cut off when they were installed in equipment half 
a century earlier.Flux it up and a quick hit with iron and solder to tin it 
and then again when you get a wire you’re happy with to soldier to it.

Sent from Space

On Mar 20, 2023, at 10:59 AM, martin martin  wrote:


I used the conductive adhesive on a Mini Cooper to repair the window antenna 
for FM.

It did not work at all.



On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:56 Benoit Tourret 
mailto:benoit.tour...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I never thought using a cathode as anode...

I just tested , plugging the number 8 on +170V, all the other number are 
working when grounded.
same with the number 4. those two numbers gave the best results. good idea to 
recycle them on a clock...

I think use it for test purposes, with a 3D printed support : 
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4571828

I will first try a rear windows defogger repair kit...
Le lundi 20 mars 2023 à 17:27:21 UTC+1, gregebert a écrit :
Atom Adhesives sells electrically-conductive adhesives, but be aware of the 
cost. It's probably best to get a new tube, because any vibration or movement 
is likely to break-off the bond. Remember- you cant use a large glob like 
regular adhesives to add bonding-strength because it will short to adjacent 
pins. [OK, you could put sleeves on all of the other pins, apply an insulating 
layer of non-conductive epoxy, then bond over all that with a large glob of 
conductive epoxy. What a mess.]
I've only used their thermally-conductive epoxy and it works nicely.

Another option is if you dont need all 10 digits, you might be able to use one 
of them as an anode. I've never actually done that before, but it's 
theoretically possible.

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:50:57 AM UTC-7 Benoit Tourret wrote:
Hello, do you know if there is a way to fix a broken wire on a IN-8-2 nixie, it 
is cut just at the level of the glass. and, of course, this is the anode...
do you think that a conductive glue could work ?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: DTF104B Group Buy

[Michail Wilson]

I don’t think so.

What is the socket used for these tubes?

Sent from Space

On Mar 7, 2023, at 12:54 AM, Alan Tan  wrote:


Is there a readily available kit for these tubes? I'll grab some if there is.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 10:32 AM Olivier 
mailto:lestee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Nick,

Count me in for 15 please.

Cheers,
Olivier

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 6:22:19 am UTC+8 Nicholas Stock wrote:
Folks, we have secured 500 DTF104Bs, so the $22 price is in effect. Thanks to 
everyone who emailed. There's still time for others to jump in if they want as 
I (and one other) chipped in on the number to bring us up to 500. I'll be in 
touch with everyone individually about address/shipping/payment in due course.

Any questions, then you should know where to reach me..

Cheers,

Nick

On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 12:16 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
Fellow enthusiasts. I have a vendor (someone I have done business with before) 
who wants to sell some DTF104B's (NOS) for $25 dollars each. If you wish to buy 
some, then please contact me directly and I can organize.

Best,

Nick

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RE: [neonixie-l] ScopeClock with teensy4.0

[Michail Wilson]

I am very interested as well.

Would love to have the code and pcb design and even a kit.

I read through the posts, but didn’t see anything other than the video.   
Thumbs up on it too.   

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
jörg
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2023 7:14 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] ScopeClock with teensy4.0

@Jon,
yes, I will share the code. I have moved it to the VS Code IDE with PlatformIO. 
I do not like the Arduino IDE much. It should run on david's hardware, too.
Do yo you have build the hardware already?
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:12:46 AM UTC+1 David Forbes wrote:
I was able to change to a Teensy 4.1 with a 2 channel 12 bit SPI DAC in my 
latest version. I had to reduce the DAC rate by half. It looks just as good as 
the old version. Of course, the DAC I chise is already unobtanium.



On Thu, Mar 2, 2023, 7:17 AM jörg  wrote:
Hi, maybe a bit offtopic.

I've put some effort in using the teensy4.x to run the scope clock based on 
david forbes one.
The teensy3.6 based one is running on my own hardware for a while.

But because of CPU shortage and the use of the teensy3.6 internal DAC's, I was 
curious to get the stuff up and running on the faster teensy 4.x CPU.
In this approach I'm using a parallel driven 12 bit 4 channels DAC. The usage 
of a serial DAC was too slow and I did not get DMA up and running on teensy4.x.
Anyway, this works and I like it.

Video: https://youtu.be/HYwgyYnQUxw


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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: DTF104B Group Buy

[Michail Wilson]

I only requested teens; however, if it will help to get the group a better 
deal, I will take 100.

M1

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Dekatron42
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 6:07 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: DTF104B Group Buy

So, what number are we at right now?

/Martin

On Monday, 27 February 2023 at 21:23:36 UTC+1 Nicholas Stock wrote:
Pricing update. If we can get to 500 tubes sold, the price comes down to $22 a 
tube instead. That's as good as this is going to get at the moment (yes, you 
read that correctly, 500 tubes).

Cheers,

Nick

On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 11:52 AM Dekatron42  wrote:
I've never seen a datasheet for these either, but at the end of the first page 
on several other RCA datasheets they mention that the DTF-designation is for 
developmental numbers. The DR2100 series was previously named DTF122-125 and 
the DR2200 series was named DTF137-141.

So the DTF104B might never have left the developmental stage to get a proper 
number.

/Martin

On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 20:26:53 UTC+1 Nicholas Stock wrote:
They are nice tubes. The price may come down a little depending on how much 
interest there is and the total number of tubes sold, but that is out of my 
control I'm afraid. They don't appear very often on eBay alas. I've not seen a 
data sheet for these anywhere and was under the impression they were never 
actually sold commercially, just engineering samples... is that true? Anyone on 
the list know more about these?

Cheers,

Nick

On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 12:06 AM Mark Moulding 
mailto:urro...@att.net>> wrote:
Those are my favorite Numitrons - easy to drive, easy to mount attractively, 
large format - and pretty rare now.  That price is still a bit steep for a 
"bulk" purchase; maybe it's about right for a small quantity.  Do you know how 
many are available?

Also, has anyone ever seen an official RCA data sheet for that tube?  Any 
chance of posting it somewhere?

Here's a clock I made using DTF-104Bs.
[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/81951450eed61/WoodClock_sm.JPG?part=0.1=1]
~~
Mark Moulding


On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 12:16:42 PM UTC-8 Nicholas Stock wrote:
Fellow enthusiasts. I have a vendor (someone I have done business with before) 
who wants to sell some DTF104B's (NOS) for $25 dollars each. If you wish to buy 
some, then please contact me directly and I can organize.

Best,

Nick
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity

[Michail Wilson]

Moses has it right.

18:00 PST is 02:00 UTC the next day.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
insidiousnixies;Utube
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 1:28 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity

H'mmm-I'm definalty going too copy this-Maybe 3 in height and its a World 
clock...24hr clock2 and 18 hours,isn't that 16hrs difference?
 Anyhoe they look great...
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:59:29 PM UTC+8 
mo...@neonixie.com wrote:
Thank you! Yes, the top ones are UTC.. the bottom is Pacific Time, 8 hours 
behind.

Regards,
-Moses
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:19:58 PM UTC-8 M1 wrote:
Love it, but I have to ask…
Why are the bottom units timed 4 hours ahead of the top units?


Michail

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Moses
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 6:35 PM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity

I'm reminded of a quote:  First rule in government spending: Why build one, 
when you can have two at twice the price?

I love it when the prototypes work and I get to keep them. I'm starting to like 
these dual displays :)

[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/c5f93110ee086/image001.jpg?part=0.1=1]
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-8 martin martin wrote:
Just finished this one.
Boards from from PV Electronics
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RE: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Michail Wilson]

Rob,

Sounds like you got the best person willing to help.  Great offer David.

Michail

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David Forbes
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 8:42 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

Rob,
I looked around some more, and I found the Mike Harrison schematic from the 
year 2000 upon which Jeff based his design. It has a different timebase and 
power supply, but the clock and time setting logic with the 4017 chips should 
be the same. If you send clear photos or scans of the blank PC board (both 
sides) and a list of the parts that you have to david at cathodecorner dot com, 
I can try to piece together the puzzle of which parts go where.

http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixcct.pdf


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 7:09 PM Rob Bailey 
mailto:bailey.hud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:

http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html

Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and, 
critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project 
owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like to 
build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously like to 
avoid.

Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or better 
yet have one that I can grab a scan of?

Thanks!
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RE: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Michail Wilson]

I don’t, but hopefully someone has one that they can take closeup pictures of 
and send to you.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Rob Bailey
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:01 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

Did anything turn up on the Nixie Watch? I'm about to throw in the towel...

Thanks!

...R
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:28:49 PM UTC-5 nixiebunny wrote:
I think I have that information on my home computer. I'll be home Friday.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 7:09 PM Rob Bailey  wrote:
Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:

http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html

Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and, 
critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project 
owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like to 
build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously like to 
avoid.

Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or better 
yet have one that I can grab a scan of?

Thanks!
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RE: [neonixie-l] B7971 UK eBay

[Michail Wilson]

I guess it depends on what someone is willing to pay.

That clock is advertised everywhere.  In the end, it is from:  
http://www.oscilloscopeclocknixiecrt.com/

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 4:47 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] B7971 UK eBay

Not connected with this, but taking into account the cost of the clock 
(£300-400?) , seems expensive

[cid:image002.jpg@01D903BC.DAD90150]
Homemade B7971 Nixie clock with wifi connection & scrolling text message 
b7971
ebay.co.uk


Thanks
Rob
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Michail Wilson]

Well, yes.   That is the TLC5916IN which is the DIP version.I use the SMT 
version.

That price is robbery; however, if you need it, then you need it.

If you only need a couple and need SMT, then I wouldn’t mind sending to you (as 
a member of this group).
The great thing about this chip is you only need a single resistor for the chip 
instead of one per segment.

This is what I use them for:   
https://www.voltagegoat.com/product/bitcoin-rocket-ticker/


Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nick Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 2:58 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

Like these or a different variant?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314093421980?var=0=1=1=711-53200-19255-0=5338590836=10044=2c0d2461f1b21bc7b1c4471ca2c06a78



On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:48 AM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
I use TLC5916 for all my numitron projects.
Stock not available until next year and I only have about 50 left.  I have had 
500 on order for just over a year now.  ☹

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Moses
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:12 AM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

Ian,

Yes, I've been looking at the TLC5916N.. and no stock anywhere! I did find 
TLC5917.. same ship but with short detection I believe. There is sporadic stock 
available here and there. I'll order some for testing. Do you know if there is 
a pin equivalent from another manufacturer? Would be nice to have an alternate.

The ESP32 worked really well for my last clock, and I've got a good deal of 
time invested in the code. To be able to reuse it without too much fuss on 
another clock is a bonus.

Regards,
-Moses
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:57:59 AM UTC-8 Ian Sparkes wrote:
You really should try to make the drivers constant current drivers: I used to 
do this with TI parts, but they've been out of stock for over a year.

The TLC5916N drivers are shift registers with constant current drivers attached 
- great for this sort of thing. The Numitron clocks I made are also NTP/WiFi 
enabled and based on an ESP8266, with linear digit dimming and a whole bunch of 
other things (motion sensor, NeoPixel backlights etc).

The ESP32 is a great platform. Absolutely love working with it, but it's a bit 
overkill for this.

On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 13:28:14 UTC+1 
hall...@hotmail.com<mailto:hall...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Or am I mistaken—Its Ian that’s in…sorry..I’m looking at Emails,that go 
everywhere.Gotto go
Too Neonixe site,next time.
Peter

From: Peter Hall
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:06 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

If Richard is in-So am I 
  Peter..insidiousnixies:Utube

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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

I’m in

On 17 Nov 2022, at 04:28, Richard Scales 
mailto:ric...@scalesweb.co.uk>> wrote:
I have built several numitron kits from nixieclock.biz<http://nixieclock.biz> 
and am a big fan of numitrons, I have only had them running far a couple of 
years and then for only half a day at most. I have heard that their tube life 
is 'long' but have not seen any actual numbers. I have also re-worked the 
design for other numitrons like IV-19 and DTF104B.




- Richard

On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 22:26:36 UTC 
mo...@neonixie.com<http://neonixie.com> wrote:
Hi Everybody,

I seem to have enough IV-9 tubes to where I can produce a batch of 100 or so 6 
digit numitron clocks. Thinking ESP32 powered like my last one (Thank you to 
all those who gave suggestions, the kit came out great!). I'm thinking maybe 
try for a full through-hole solder kit with some shift registers.

I know nixies are more popular.. but anyone interested in a numitron clock kit?

Oh, one question I do have, anyone have long term experience (ie, years?) 
running this particular tube? How do they fare?

Thank you!

Regards,
-Moses
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Michail Wilson]

I use TLC5916 for all my numitron projects.
Stock not available until next year and I only have about 50 left.  I have had 
500 on order for just over a year now.  ☹

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Moses
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:12 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

Ian,

Yes, I've been looking at the TLC5916N.. and no stock anywhere! I did find 
TLC5917.. same ship but with short detection I believe. There is sporadic stock 
available here and there. I'll order some for testing. Do you know if there is 
a pin equivalent from another manufacturer? Would be nice to have an alternate.

The ESP32 worked really well for my last clock, and I've got a good deal of 
time invested in the code. To be able to reuse it without too much fuss on 
another clock is a bonus.

Regards,
-Moses
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:57:59 AM UTC-8 Ian Sparkes wrote:
You really should try to make the drivers constant current drivers: I used to 
do this with TI parts, but they've been out of stock for over a year.

The TLC5916N drivers are shift registers with constant current drivers attached 
- great for this sort of thing. The Numitron clocks I made are also NTP/WiFi 
enabled and based on an ESP8266, with linear digit dimming and a whole bunch of 
other things (motion sensor, NeoPixel backlights etc).

The ESP32 is a great platform. Absolutely love working with it, but it's a bit 
overkill for this.

On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 13:28:14 UTC+1 hall...@hotmail.com wrote:
Or am I mistaken—Its Ian that’s in…sorry..I’m looking at Emails,that go 
everywhere.Gotto go
Too Neonixe site,next time.
Peter

From: Peter Hall
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:06 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

If Richard is in-So am I 
  Peter..insidiousnixies:Utube

From: 'Ian' via neonixie-l
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 5:52 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

I’m in

On 17 Nov 2022, at 04:28, Richard Scales 
mailto:ric...@scalesweb.co.uk>> wrote:
I have built several numitron kits from nixieclock.biz 
and am a big fan of numitrons, I have only had them running far a couple of 
years and then for only half a day at most. I have heard that their tube life 
is 'long' but have not seen any actual numbers. I have also re-worked the 
design for other numitrons like IV-19 and DTF104B.




- Richard

On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 22:26:36 UTC 
mo...@neonixie.com wrote:
Hi Everybody,

I seem to have enough IV-9 tubes to where I can produce a batch of 100 or so 6 
digit numitron clocks. Thinking ESP32 powered like my last one (Thank you to 
all those who gave suggestions, the kit came out great!). I'm thinking maybe 
try for a full through-hole solder kit with some shift registers.

I know nixies are more popular.. but anyone interested in a numitron clock kit?

Oh, one question I do have, anyone have long term experience (ie, years?) 
running this particular tube? How do they fare?

Thank you!

Regards,
-Moses
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RE: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Michail Wilson]

Bubble lights.

I remember when I was trying to get them and finally found them cheap on 
christmascentral.com
They have them for Halloween as well   (diff colors).

Example:
https://www.christmascentral.com/pack-of-3-multi-color-c7-retro-bubble-light-replacement-christmas-bulbs/
$7 for 3 pack.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nick Andrews
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:08 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

Yeah.   Apparently they still make them,  too.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022, 7:14 AM Adrian Godwin 
mailto:artgod...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Are they these bubble lights ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTDtyFaAZy8


On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:07 PM Mike Mitchell 
mailto:mmitch...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Terry, I remember those bubble lights at grandparents farm.  I had started to 
look into buying some many years ago,  but never did...



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RE: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Michail Wilson]

I have been making numitron projects.  Namely Bitcoin tickers that run a live 
stream of the price (tubes constantly changing digits since the prices changes 
24 hours a day by the second).   So, well over 2000 tubes out there and I offer 
free repair/warranty meaning people are apt to contact me if there was a 
problem.  They run 24 hours a day.

I would say that I have replaced about 15 power supplies (USB).   And, over 
that time, I have had to replace 4 tubes (3 customers) as a segment or two have 
stopped working.   That said, I have probably replaced a total of about 20 
tubes, but those other ~16 were damaged (destroyed) in shipping.

Lastly, I run no cross-fading or ramp up/down technique.  All tubes are direct 
drive of either on or off switching.

Hope that helps.

Have a link and/or pics to your clock kit?

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Moses
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 2:27 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

Hi Everybody,

I seem to have enough IV-9 tubes to where I can produce a batch of 100 or so 6 
digit numitron clocks. Thinking ESP32 powered like my last one (Thank you to 
all those who gave suggestions, the kit came out great!). I'm thinking maybe 
try for a full through-hole solder kit with some shift registers.

I know nixies are more popular.. but anyone interested in a numitron clock kit?

Oh, one question I do have, anyone have long term experience (ie, years?) 
running this particular tube? How do they fare?

Thank you!

Regards,
-Moses
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RE: [neonixie-l] Nixie for sale

[Michail Wilson]

I am interested in several.

I thought product can’t come from Russia.  At least not through ebay.   Am I 
wrong?

Michail

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Yuriy Ovchinnikov
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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie for sale

Sale:

IN-2 - 41 pcs. for $2

IN-4 - 34 pcs. for $3

IN-8 – 21 pcs. for $10

IN-12 – 757 pcs. for $6

IN-14 used – 520 pcs. for $10

IN-14 – 20 pcs. for $30

IN-16 used – 179 pcs. for $6

IN-16 – 12 pcs. for $8

IN-17 used – 26 pcs. for $6

IN-17 – 9 pcs. for $8
Z570M used - 12 pcs. for $5



ср, 15 июн. 2022 г. в 16:42, Tidak Ada 
mailto:offl...@zeelandnet.nl>>:
PayPal uses SEPA, therefore not possible

Van: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>] Namens 
Michail Wilson
Verzonden: woensdag 15 juni 2022 14:29
Aan: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie for sale

So, no PayPal?
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2022, at 6:51 AM, 'Yuriy Ovchinnikov' via neonixie-l 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


Hello friends. Due to the difficult situation, for a long time it was not 
possible to put up nixies for sale. Currently, the logistics are built. I have 
the opportunity to send goods through Armenia. Payment will also need to be 
made to a bank account in Armenia. I apologize for these complications. But, 
unfortunately, now I can't do it any other way. So for sale:

IN-8 – 21 pcs. for $10

IN-12 – 457 pcs. for $6

IN-14 used – 109 pcs. for $10

IN-14 – 7 pcs. for $30

IN-16 used – 17 pcs. for $6

IN-16 – 3 pcs. for $8

IN-17 used – 14 pcs. for $6

IN-17 – 6 pcs. for $8
IN-18 – 21 pcs. for $70
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RE: [neonixie-l] IV-17 Explorer Kits & ZM1350 Smartsocket Boards — Both With Tubes

[Michail Wilson]

Thanks.
I decided to get the ZMs.  It’s about time.

Michail

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Mac Doktor
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 10:04 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] IV-17 Explorer Kits & ZM1350 Smartsocket Boards — Both 
With Tubes

Just turned up on eBay (same seller):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185560442815

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185560452874


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"
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said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: SIngle B-7971 being sold

[Michail Wilson]

Richard,
I have plenty of them, but at $225 each as I pride them.  So, I could be a last 
resort.  I don’t know what shipping would be.  He would be better off buying 
from someone else on ebay or his local Craigslist.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Scales
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 6:46 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: SIngle B-7971 being sold

... and now that one's been sold - a good friend of mine has just told me that 
he is looking for one (or ideally two) B-7971.

He is in AUS, is there anyone listening that might be willing to part with one 
(or two) working/tested B-7971 to ship to AUS?

- Richard

On Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 04:57:40 UTC+1 Richard Scales wrote:
Not my auction - but it is from someone I know: 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195303524715
- Richard

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RE: [neonixie-l] Is there any merit to the claim that ceramic tube sockets crack tube pins?

[Michail Wilson]

I guess it depends on the socket you’re using.
I’ve seen ceramic with floating pins just like the bakelite versions.
If the ceramic version is a tight fit, why not just loosen them up before you 
insert the tube.

I’ve killed many IN-18 tubes not knowing the solid ceramic sockets I had put 
that much tension on the pins.  It would work, but a short time later (day or 
week), the tube would die.  So, it took a while to figure out that it was the 
socket instead of the tube or electronics killing them.  Now, on new sockets, I 
insert/remove a dead tube in many times while adjusting the socket to make sure 
it is more loose.  Like you, I would rather kill anything else other than the 
tubes.  I’d rather a poor connection over one so stiff that it’s a tube killer.

Adjust – meaning to bend the socket of each pin to make it a much easier insert 
force.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

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Audrey
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 2:46 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Is there any merit to the claim that ceramic tube sockets 
crack tube pins?

Some people say ceramic sockets crack tubes at the pin and cause them to go to 
air and that you should use bakelite sockets

Some of my friends say they've lost tubes to it, some of them say they've 
socketed countless tubes without issue.

Ive got some ceramic sockets and some 9-pin digivacs and biquinary nixies I'd 
rather not kill. So what's the deal?
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Magic Eye Replacement.

[Michail Wilson]

That is PCB only.  No tube.

Michail

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 2:18 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Magic Eye Replacement.


On Aug 29, 2022, at 4:41 PM, gregebert 
mailto:gregeb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Someday when the project backlog clears-up I'll take the 6E5 apart and make one 
of these.

No need to wait. Grab one of these ($20) and start goofing around with it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193443031569


Pros
$20
Works
Socket accepts EM800, EM84
Includes Chinese 6E2 (EM84)
Has proper connectors for hookup (not terminal blocks)
12V barrel jack
3.5mm mini-phone jack
Includes mic capsule for fun with ambient sounds


Cons
Cheaply made but surprisingly good considering the price. I have no regrets.


I also bought six of these boards:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/191011269169

And two packs of these sockets:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193444297823


Voila. All of the necessary sockets for EM80/EM81, EM84/EM800 and 6E5S (Soviet 
6E5). I have at least two of each tube.


The seller has individual boards with some of the above tubes. They're more 
expensive but...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/201015164495

...the same board with a Soviet 6E1P (EM80) for $54? That's cheap and it works 
straight out of the bubble wrap.


Only four left. I prefer an EM81 but EM80s are cheap.



Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
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said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", Cosmos, 1980

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[neonixie-l] Magic Eye Replacement.

[Michail Wilson]

I thought this was a good idea for those than can't get eyes.

https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/magic-eye-tubes-go-solid-state-with-this-plug-in-replacement/


Michail

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RE: [neonixie-l] Self-introduction & tube trading

[Michail Wilson]

Very kewl.

I'm interested in your 5971 project.  
A lot of work might already be done for you if you look at SmartSockets.

Michail 

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From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Duncan Townsend
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 6:53 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] Self-introduction & tube trading

Hello everybody!

I'm Duncan, an American software engineer by day and vacuum tube enthusiast 
when I'm not distracted by other things. I have an unreasonable number of 
pokers in the fire right now, but they include:

* a clock based on each of J.B. Dance's Electronic Counting Circuits
   chapters (how low can I get the active part count without involving
   silicon components?)
* tuning fork timebase for the above clocks
* 1j24b (Russian subminiature rod pentode) CPU
* 1j25r (even smaller than 1j24b) headphone amplifier

In particular, I'm interested in hearing from the experts what kind of fun 
tube-based displays I might've overlooked for the 1j24b CPU. My current plan is 
5971 13-segment tubes (I'm too poor for that many 7971s), but I don't really 
know what's out there.

===

I'm also interested in trading to get some of the tubes I admire for their 
aesthetics. I consider the National NL-90X series (NL-900 no decimal,
NL-901 left decimal, NL-902 right decimal, NL-908 both decimals) as well as the 
Ericsson GR10N tubes some of the most beautiful ever manufactured and would 
love to trade for/buy some. I have a large number of enormous
ICL1-1/7 VFDs as well as some tiny National NL-4998 nixies for trade. I also 
have the above mentioned sub-subminiature Russian tubes (1c38a triode, 1c38a-q 
Chinese variant triode, 1j25r pentodes, and tg5r
thyratron) as well as their slightly less sub- brethren (1c1a triode, 06p1a 
pentode, 1t1a thyratron) for anyone who wants to build out their collection of 
oddities.

--Duncan

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RE: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

[Michail Wilson]

Quite the number of tubes.
Since he is asking retail for them all, and not likely too many people want or 
can afford that many, I asked if there was a guarantee since if even 1 could be 
bad, it would make almost the entire order non-profitable.  Awaiting a response.


Michail

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Audrey
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 10:30 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

not my listing obviously..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354229991047
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Clock - Direct Drive HV5530

[Michail Wilson]

Good that you mentioned ShiftOut.   On that note…

I use an ESP-8266 for most of my projects (specifically the WeMos Mini D1).
Limited in PINs, but I want to control many steppers, so I use the mentioned 
ShiftOut.

Basically, using 595s (4 of them), I control 8 stepper motors.   A 595 having 8 
outputs and the steppers need 4, I get to control 2 per chip.

In the reverse, I have 8 switches (end points/stops) for the 8 steppers.

All happily controlled by a single WeMos.

Of course with 8 steppers * 4 wires each…. It’s a jumbled mess in prototyping.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Scales
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 9:42 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Clock - Direct Drive HV5530

I've used HV5522 and HV5622 a lot without any issue - I always use a CD40109B 
level shifter to convert from 3v3V or 5V to 12V (I know many do not).

In Arduino Land there is a function called ShiftOut which does all the required 
clocking - it's for 8 bits as standard but can easily be re-worked for however 
many bits you want.

I have one clock with 4 x HV5522 in series for which I made a 128 bit ShiftOut 
function.

See here for details of the shiftout process: Arduino shiftOut(): Control chips 
with a 3 wire Serial Interface. 
(best-microcontroller-projects.com)

It's an interesting page with scope traces to help explain.

Ultimately I moved over to using SPI transfers which are driven purely by the 
processor but the theory is all very similar.

- Richard

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RE: [neonixie-l] querry on Numitron tubes

[Michail Wilson]

Correct.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: 'Bogdan Paduraru' via neonixie-l 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 4:04 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] querry on Numitron tubes

Dears ,
please allow me on rather stupid question :

does the Numitrons made by Apollo are named DA 2000 and the ones made by RCA 
are named DR2000?
I have some RCA DR tubes but no DA ones



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RE: Aw: RE: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as website

[Michail Wilson]

I AM using the mouse wheel.

Roll the finger wheel forward makes the screen zoom out (away)
Roll the finger wheel back towards me makes the screen zoom in (closer to the 
nixie).

This is reverse of what it should be.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Joachim Laugwitz
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To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Aw: RE: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom 
as website

Zoom is using Mouse wheel not up down


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Hello,

Left, right, up, and down now work for me, but the scroll doesn’t.

Scroll in (up) should zoom in.
Scholl out (back/down) should zoom out.

I’ll take the messages private to avoid spam.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Joachim Laugwitz
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 12:18 AM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

Please try it with Firefox. Must be something from your side, as this is very 
first feedback where something does not work as expected.
However, its just the swap function. You can still use it with original IN14 
number templates.

M1 schrieb am Donnerstag, 4. August 2022 um 00:46:25 UTC+3:
No, I used the computer.

The outline (orange) appears when I hover over the button.
I can click it and it would have a white highlight, but as soon as I release, 
it goes back to orange.  And, when I hover away from the button, it goes back 
to normal.

Live links to Nixie clock 
versions<https://forums.armory3d.org/t/update-improved-nixie-clock-desktop-mobile-added-aesthetic-5-swap-button/4940>
Live demo 
103<https://strandedalien.github.io/Nixie-clock-improved-desktop-version/>
Live demo swap 5 1<https://strandedalien.github.io/Swap5-Invert-controls/>


Michail

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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

Thanks Michail for the feedback. I prolly forgot to push commit after making 
the changes. Now it is fixed and tested. As before Swap5 version to click.
Did you try from a phone to swap the five? Watch for the red outline of the 
button. Then press again. On PC their is no such quirk.
.
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RE: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as website

[Michail Wilson]

Hello,

Left, right, up, and down now work for me, but the scroll doesn’t.

Scroll in (up) should zoom in.
Scholl out (back/down) should zoom out.

I’ll take the messages private to avoid spam.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Joachim Laugwitz
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 12:18 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

Please try it with Firefox. Must be something from your side, as this is very 
first feedback where something does not work as expected.
However, its just the swap function. You can still use it with original IN14 
number templates.

M1 schrieb am Donnerstag, 4. August 2022 um 00:46:25 UTC+3:
No, I used the computer.

The outline (orange) appears when I hover over the button.
I can click it and it would have a white highlight, but as soon as I release, 
it goes back to orange.  And, when I hover away from the button, it goes back 
to normal.

Live links to Nixie clock 
versions
Live demo 
103
Live demo swap 5 1


Michail

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Joachim Laugwitz
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 2:01 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

Thanks Michail for the feedback. I prolly forgot to push commit after making 
the changes. Now it is fixed and tested. As before Swap5 version to click.
Did you try from a phone to swap the five? Watch for the red outline of the 
button. Then press again. On PC their is no such quirk.
.
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RE: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as website

[Michail Wilson]

No, I used the computer.

The outline (orange) appears when I hover over the button.
I can click it and it would have a white highlight, but as soon as I release, 
it goes back to orange.  And, when I hover away from the button, it goes back 
to normal.

Live links to Nixie clock 
versions
Live demo 
103
Live demo swap 5 1


Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Joachim Laugwitz
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 2:01 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

Thanks Michail for the feedback. I prolly forgot to push commit after making 
the changes. Now it is fixed and tested. As before Swap5 version to click.
Did you try from a phone to swap the five? Watch for the red outline of the 
button. Then press again. On PC their is no such quirk.
.

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RE: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as website

[Michail Wilson]

Strange, it hasn’t changed for me.

Scroll forward should zoom in, but still dooms out.  I did click the Swap5 
several times without a change.
Scroll back should zoom out, but still dooms in.  Same test with multiple 
Button clicks without a change.

It could be argued that Y-Axis should be reversed, but it depends on the person.

Basically, it remains the same.  The swap5 button has no affect for me in 
Chrome or Edge.


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

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Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 7:21 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

Hello, Michail felt that the controls are inverted. So i changed them in the 
"Swap5" version. @ Michail Please go to the Armory3D forum link and 
re-download. Choose Nixie clock swap5 version.
Scrolling mouse wheel forward will now move the clock further away. Moving left 
or right moves camera now in the respective direction. However i will leave the 
Original clock without the swap function like it is now until next update.
Enjoy!
gregebert schrieb am Mittwoch, 3. August 2022 um 07:25:53 UTC+3:
I'm very impressed with the realtime rendering. The cathodes are "stacked" like 
a real nixie, and at an angle, they disappear behind adjacent nixies. 
Reflective flat surfaces (anodes) are accurately modeled; even tube pins will 
disappear, then reappear as the clock is rotated. I'm not 100% sure about the 
reflections on the curved glass surface; those would be tricky to render. Well 
done !!
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 3:09:07 PM UTC-7 j.lau...@gmx.de wrote:
Thanks for setting my post properly up. Using Chromium now for better 
compatibility.

M1 schrieb am Mittwoch, 3. August 2022 um 00:31:24 UTC+3:
Pretty kewl.

Ummm, all the mouse movements are reversed for me.  Even the zoom in/out.

Michail

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Subject: [neonixie-l] Free Virtual 3D Nixie Clock w/mouse control, zoom as 
website

This is a showcase for my free Nixie clock as Live website. Features Mouse 
view, Zoom w/Mouse wheel (QC controls), convincing glass w/reflections, vert 
count (41000) optimised. I made it using Blender3D and Armory3D as "game 
engine". You can use the mouse to tumble the camera around to adjust the 
viewing angle and mouse wheel to zoom.
The swap 5 button in the upper left corner toggles between aesthetic/original 
IN14 five numeric as some people prefer a “real” five. It works on any kind of 
computer or phone which sports a 3D capable browser as it is setup as a 
website. Once loaded you can interrupt the Internet connection. As long as you 
do not close the respective browser window it keeps on running. I build it 
cause i want to recycle and old Laptop screen as huge Nixie display super flat 
hangig on the wall. Using readily available LCD controller kit from Ebay and a 
Raspi or old Orange Pi its really economic as a wall clock. Just have a look 
yourself. In order to keep you updated i point you to the Armory3D forum 
thread. There scroll down for the Live links. Have fun!

Live links to Nixie clock 
versions<https://forums.armory3d.org/t/update-improved-nixie-clock-desktop-mobile-added-aesthetic-5-swap-button/4940>[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/428dc12395cd6/image001.png?part=0.1=1][https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/428dc12395cd6/image002.png?part=0.2=1][https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/428dc12395cd6/image003.png?part=0.3=1][https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/428dc12395cd6/image004.png?part=0.4=1]
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RE: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Michail Wilson]

Strange, he is the guy that was selling 10x B-5971, but said he couldn’t test 
only a few days ago.   Seems he is able to test just fine.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nicholas Stock
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 8:25 AM
To: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

...reaches for popcorn.

Not my listing etc etc... anyone want to take bets as to how much these will go 
for?

Cheers,

Nick
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RE: [neonixie-l] B7971 for sale

[Michail Wilson]

[cid:image001.png@01D89E7A.9DC91770]

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: 'Ian' via neonixie-l 
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2022 9:51 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] B7971 for sale

Yes, a link would help. Long day yesterday

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403783658773?hash=item5e0361ad15:g:RBEAAOSwSZNi1ae8

Cheers
Ian


On 22 Jul 2022, at 22:25, Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
No link?

Michail Wilson
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mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
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Subject: [neonixie-l] B7971 for sale

Hi all,

Economic situations mean I’m selling 4 tubes on flea bay.

All tested, segments fully light, no cathode poisoning. Pins a bit grimey but 
easily cleaned.

Cheers all
Ian V

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RE: [neonixie-l] Another half of nixie

[Michail Wilson]

“removed from scales”   Ha.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Scales
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 8:44 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Another half of nixie

I have a few upside down tubes also removed from scales, with the same range of 
fractions - both Mullard and ITT variants - the Mullards have the fine 
horizontal mesh which I particularly like.

I will dig out some pictures.

 - Richard Scales

On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 09:29:13 UTC+1 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
I think you have the ITT GF-37AH

but if you have any Hivac version will be nice to see some photos too

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:03:21 AM UTC+3 tntm...@gmail.com wrote:
Real interesting andy! I would love to see some pictures sometime!

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022, 4:02 AM andybiker 
mailto:andy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think these match the XN3 - looking at the coarse mesh.

Somewhere I have a couple of upside-down nixies that came from a scale.

They are in poor condition with corroded leads (but working)

They show 1/8, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 7/8

really unusual!

Andrew
On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:00:53 PM UTC+1 Terry Bowman wrote:

On Jul 21, 2022, at 4:48 PM, 'Bogdan Paduraru' via neonixie-l 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Just want to share one of my latest finds
XNS 6839 from HIVAC that  show only 1/2 sign

Good score. I'm insanely jealous and have nothing to trade. 8D

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

https://www.astarcloseup.com

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them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for 
science intact."—Carl Sagan, Psychology Today, 1996

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RE: [neonixie-l] B7971 for sale

[Michail Wilson]

No link?

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

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From: 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l  
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 1:36 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] B7971 for sale

Hi all,

Economic situations mean I’m selling 4 tubes on flea bay. 

All tested, segments fully light, no cathode poisoning. Pins a bit grimey but 
easily cleaned. 

Cheers all
Ian V

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RE: [neonixie-l] eBay seller (Nixie, VFD, and various tubes) stockpile

[Michail Wilson]

Audrey,

I saw that auction.  Since I never saw that tube before, I decided not to bid 
on that one.   I did get several of the IV18s and IV-27s (amongst many others 
as well).

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 5:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] eBay seller (Nixie, VFD, and various tubes) stockpile

I tried bidding on one interesting lot but it went for $82...
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[neonixie-l] eBay seller (Nixie, VFD, and various tubes) stockpile

[Michail Wilson]

I don’t know if anyone else was able to do well with his auctions, but, 
although his nixie supply is gone, he has many other tubes up for grabs.

His prices were so cheap that I thought it was a scam for a while until the 
packages started rolling in.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/accordionsforbrazil


Michail Wilson
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Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie for sale

[Michail Wilson]

So, no PayPal?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 6:51 AM, 'Yuriy Ovchinnikov' via neonixie-l 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello friends. Due to the difficult situation, for a long time it was not 
> possible to put up nixies for sale. Currently, the logistics are built. I 
> have the opportunity to send goods through Armenia. Payment will also need to 
> be made to a bank account in Armenia. I apologize for these complications. 
> But, unfortunately, now I can't do it any other way. So for sale:
> 
> IN-8 – 21 pcs. for $10
> 
> IN-12 – 457 pcs. for $6
> 
> IN-14 used – 109 pcs. for $10
> 
> IN-14 – 7 pcs. for $30
> 
> IN-16 used – 17 pcs. for $6
> 
> IN-16 – 3 pcs. for $8
> 
> IN-17 used – 14 pcs. for $6
> 
> IN-17 – 6 pcs. for $8
> 
> IN-18 – 21 pcs. for $70
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971 tubes for sale - $150 each

[Michail Wilson]

Strangely, I didn’t even get the notification.  I would have bought them.

Actually, I didn’t know until I received the response from gregebert.  Wonder 
why several of the googlegroups emails didn’t even make it.  ☹

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
gregebert
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 4:02 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971 tubes for sale - $150 each

I'm still kicking myself for not buying a bunch of these from PolyPaks back in 
the 1970's
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-7 Pramanicin wrote:
Tubes have sold.

Thanks,

Nick

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 6:54 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
Hi folks, I have a contact looking to sell 4 B7971 tubes. They are untested, 
but look to be in good shape from the attached photos. $150 each per tube 
(which is significantly less than what they're selling for on eBay at the 
moment, believe it or not!).

[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/69ce7cd2ad20/unnamed.jpg?part=0.1=1]
[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/69ce7cd2ad20/unnamed-2.jpg?part=0.2=1]

If anyone is interested, then please contact Jeff directly at k3dua...@gmail.com

Cheers,

Nick
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[neonixie-l] 6 B-7971

[Michail Wilson]

I thought people would get a kick out of this auction.  Especially those of us 
whom are always searching for MOD-6 Clocks or 6 tubes of B-7971

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284788707763

Michail Wilson
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RE: [neonixie-l] New to arduino and nixie projects, looking for advice

[Michail Wilson]

I agree with, well, almost everything.

I build several items using Numitrons (specifically) IV-9 (of which I have a 
hoard of them), but I don’t use 595’s to drive them, but I don’t remember 
specifically why I chose a diff driver.  Well, you’re supposed to use them.

Instead, I use TCL5916
TLC5916 data sheet, product information and support | 
TI.com<https://www.ti.com/product/TLC5916>
It’s specifically an LED sink driver.  Single resistor sets current draw on the 
LEDs / Numitron connected.

I guess it’s just a preference.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mark Moulding
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 12:24 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] New to arduino and nixie projects, looking for advice

I agree fairly strongly with Pramancin - I think Numitrons would be the way to 
go.  They are exceedingly rugged (originally used in fighter planes, among many 
other applications), long-lived (10,000+ hours at maximum brightness, 
converging to infinity at reduced drive voltages), and are very easy to drive.  
I've built both clocks and dashboard instruments with nothing more than the 
Numitrons (or the Russian clones - IV-9 and IV-16,), a string of 74HC595s as 
the output port expander, direct-driving the tubes, and whatever processor I 
was using at the time (some were AT89C4051s, some were AVRs - Arduinos, but on 
my own circuit board).

You might be giving up the charm of fully-formed digits, but in exchange, in 
addition to the points above, the Numitrons are brighter (easily 
sunlight-readable), can be filtered to any color, and you can produce a 
surprisingly workable alpha-numeric character set using the seven segments.  
There is no high-voltage generator or circuitry to worry about either - just 
the 5-volt logic supply.  I used a bunch on a Burning Man art car, and that's 
where I suffered the only failure I've ever had, when an errant beer can hit 
the tube full on.  It still worked for a little while even with the envelope 
broken (this was at night, so I had the brightness way down).
~~
Mark Moulding
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:43:51 PM UTC-7 Codi Wiersma wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions.  I have an in tank speedo that I was going to 
recreate the case, and add some extra supports, with tpu from my 3d printer. 
That, combined with a minimally vibrating bike (Yamaha stratoliner), do you 
think I'll still have issues?

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 3:56 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
You could use numitrons instead, they're a lot more vibration resistant, but 
not the same charm as a nixie ..

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:51 PM Bill van Dijk  wrote:
Hi Codi

As a long time biker and Nixie guy, I would like to give you some advice. The 
severe vibrations of a motorcycle WILL destroy any nixie in very short order. 
As great as the project sounds now, you will be disappointed with that.

Sorry,

Bill v

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Codi Wiersma
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2022 1:43 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] New to arduino and nixie projects, looking for advice

Hello! As the subject says, new to both arduino and nixie tube projects.  I'm 
looking to make a Hall Effect based speedometer for my motorcycle, and I'm 
hoping to get some advice.  Looking for a 3 tube set up for speed, and maybe a 
5 or 6 tube set up for an odometer, and was curious if I have enough 
connections on an Elegoo Uno to run that many tubes?  If not, could I run 
programs on two different Unos using inputs from the same sensor?  I'm unsure 
on the first question, but I'm fairly certain there wouldn't be an issue with 
the second.  Thanks!
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RE: [neonixie-l] Anyone have a data sheet for blue 16-segment LEDs?

[Michail Wilson]

https://www.aitendo.com/product/12424


Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nick Andrews
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:36 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] Anyone have a data sheet for blue 16-segment LEDs?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324844542148?var=513847918490

I bought some of these to play with and am having issues finding the actual 
data sheet.  Found some for similar but different color variants.  But I want 
to know the recommended max parameters to decide how bright I want to drive 
them.  Thanks!
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

[Michail Wilson]

Understood.  Agreed.  I need to relax too.

Just to clarify, I was talking about the Spiral and not exact information.  I 
guess in this group, I should be exact.  


Michail Wilson
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From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 3:26 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

Woahhh calm down... I was just trying to make it clear for anyone reading that 
they arent the same part exactly- to eliminate any possible future confusion.
I dont have all 3 on hand so I cant give you complete comparisons but 6977s are 
thinner and longer than iv-15s...

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 6:22 PM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
I’m sorry.

You are absolutely right, but it would be nice if you could elaborate instead 
of just saying they are not.

Other than being from different manufactures and having different part numbers 
and many other things, like glass, exact size, etc, they are 100% different.

If you relax a little, my point was that all three are Spiral’s.   My comment 
was regarding the appearance of a spiral and not the exact similarities and 
differences.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 3:12 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

Theyre similar but I know that the 6977 and iv-15 are not identical

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 6:11 PM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
I was referring to your clock.  Love it.

I was just trying to say the spiral tubes are great – All three are the same 
thing -- IV-15, DM160, 6977


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 6:42 AM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

If you're referring to my clock, they are IV-15.
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:06:28 PM UTC-5 M1 wrote:
A clock was posted with the colons.  Love the spiral.

I found them to be:
IV-15 or DM160 or 6977

I bought a bunch thinking they were a lot bigger and was disappointed with the 
size, but still like them.

Was surprised when I just checked to see their prices.   Damn.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2022 9:14 AM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

Nice little collection bill :), wonderful tubes either way of course

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 8:34 AM Bill Notfaded 
mailto:notf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I love these tube with and without mica.  When I first saw them without mica I 
had to have some because they are unlike any other VFD I've ever seen!

Bill
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:16:44 AM UTC-7 
tntm...@gmail.com<mailto:tntm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bill, the DT-1704A, DT-1704B, DT-1705A and DT-1705B Digivac tubes actually 
had true floating segments without mica sheets, the later DT-1704C and DT-1705C 
tubes implemented the mics sheet, probably a good change for reliability.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 5:44 AM Bill Notfaded 
mailto:notf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Awesome thanks for the datasheet!  It looked to me similar to the other what I 
call floating VFD on mica type tubes like a handful of others.

Bill
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:01:53 PM UTC-7 charles wrote:
According to the original data sheet the 8894 is more or less standard
7 segment VFD. clipping from the TCA Data Cache.


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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

[Michail Wilson]

I’m sorry.

You are absolutely right, but it would be nice if you could elaborate instead 
of just saying they are not.

Other than being from different manufactures and having different part numbers 
and many other things, like glass, exact size, etc, they are 100% different.

If you relax a little, my point was that all three are Spiral’s.   My comment 
was regarding the appearance of a spiral and not the exact similarities and 
differences.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 3:12 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

Theyre similar but I know that the 6977 and iv-15 are not identical

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 6:11 PM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
I was referring to your clock.  Love it.

I was just trying to say the spiral tubes are great – All three are the same 
thing -- IV-15, DM160, 6977


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 6:42 AM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

If you're referring to my clock, they are IV-15.
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:06:28 PM UTC-5 M1 wrote:
A clock was posted with the colons.  Love the spiral.

I found them to be:
IV-15 or DM160 or 6977

I bought a bunch thinking they were a lot bigger and was disappointed with the 
size, but still like them.

Was surprised when I just checked to see their prices.   Damn.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2022 9:14 AM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

Nice little collection bill :), wonderful tubes either way of course

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 8:34 AM Bill Notfaded 
mailto:notf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I love these tube with and without mica.  When I first saw them without mica I 
had to have some because they are unlike any other VFD I've ever seen!

Bill
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:16:44 AM UTC-7 
tntm...@gmail.com<mailto:tntm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bill, the DT-1704A, DT-1704B, DT-1705A and DT-1705B Digivac tubes actually 
had true floating segments without mica sheets, the later DT-1704C and DT-1705C 
tubes implemented the mics sheet, probably a good change for reliability.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 5:44 AM Bill Notfaded 
mailto:notf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Awesome thanks for the datasheet!  It looked to me similar to the other what I 
call floating VFD on mica type tubes like a handful of others.

Bill
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:01:53 PM UTC-7 charles wrote:
According to the original data sheet the 8894 is more or less standard
7 segment VFD. clipping from the TCA Data Cache.


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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

[Michail Wilson]

I was referring to your clock.  Love it.

I was just trying to say the spiral tubes are great – All three are the same 
thing -- IV-15, DM160, 6977


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Paul Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 6:42 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

If you're referring to my clock, they are IV-15.
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:06:28 PM UTC-5 M1 wrote:
A clock was posted with the colons.  Love the spiral.

I found them to be:
IV-15 or DM160 or 6977

I bought a bunch thinking they were a lot bigger and was disappointed with the 
size, but still like them.

Was surprised when I just checked to see their prices.   Damn.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Audrey
Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2022 9:14 AM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sylvania Florotron Display. 8894

Nice little collection bill :), wonderful tubes either way of course

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 8:34 AM Bill Notfaded  wrote:
I love these tube with and without mica.  When I first saw them without mica I 
had to have some because they are unlike any other VFD I've ever seen!

Bill
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:16:44 AM UTC-7 tntm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bill, the DT-1704A, DT-1704B, DT-1705A and DT-1705B Digivac tubes actually 
had true floating segments without mica sheets, the later DT-1704C and DT-1705C 
tubes implemented the mics sheet, probably a good change for reliability.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 5:44 AM Bill Notfaded  wrote:
Awesome thanks for the datasheet!  It looked to me similar to the other what I 
call floating VFD on mica type tubes like a handful of others.

Bill
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 7:01:53 PM UTC-7 charles wrote:
According to the original data sheet the 8894 is more or less standard
7 segment VFD. clipping from the TCA Data Cache.


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RE: [neonixie-l] Sale IN-14 used

[Michail Wilson]

As always, I am interested in a buy all.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: 'Yuriy Ovchinnikov' via neonixie-l 
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 6:18 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Sale IN-14 used

Hi,
Sale 60 pcs. IN-14 used for $10 ea.
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RE: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Michail Wilson]

Bill,

Not sure which 8 tube thing you’re talking about since the link wasn’t 
provided; however, I think you mean the black clock with 8 x B-7971.  If so, 
then, heheh, I have one.
It is the Cogwheel design clock.  I actually went through the process of making 
one (sourcing the case, etc).  Let me know if you need any info.

More funny is that I also got the Elegoo Saturn. I’ve only printed the rook.  
Yes, the resolution is great.  I assume you also got the uv cure/washing 
station as well?  It sits waiting for me to give it a real job.

As for the GC-1005, I have one that was cheaper, but did have a problem.  Easy 
fix.  As for the SP-352, I have plenty if you really need one.  I have found it 
best to contact sellers directly to purchase and they will negotiate a better 
price than the high prices they’re asking on ebay.  Of course I normally try to 
buy them all.


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Bill Notfaded
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 3:25 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

I agree with Paul.  We need a pinned thread about this.  Also Paul I'd be 
willing to part with some tubes for one of your single tube clocks maybe with 
some tube boards but I can order them since you've made them open source 
basically.  I love your single tube clock.  It's really f'in cool stuff!  Your 
website is super cool too!  I can't tell you how many times I've googled for 
some weird tube and guess who's got them on his site?  Hehe props.  It's nice 
when some of us can be references for others.  I wish I had more time but work 
is crazy busy right now.  I got to Scottsdale Barrett Jackson this past week on 
first day and last... I love cars but I think neon is even bigger fancy.

I haven't unboxed it yet but I brought that 8 tube 7971 clock and wanna see how 
it's made.  It might be a one off since no one really recognized it.

I'm kinda psyched.  I preordered a big 3D resin printer called Elegoo Saturn 
during their Kickstarter where they raised over 4M.  I'm hoping I can make some 
larger nixie tube cases and also other stuff like missing feet for test gear 
etc.  The resolution is legit.  Unlike many 3D printers you really can't see 
the layers and it's finally something you can afford to buy.

There was a time when eBay was just too many things to consider but it seems 
these days it's look and see if anything neat comes up.

I bought a couple Heathkit GC-1005's with a couple spare sets of SP-352 this 
week.  That's my buys this week.  I thought $100 each was great price for the 
clocks in mint condition?  The Babcock Beckman were 60$ for set of 3 working.  
The clocks aren't flickering either.

Bill

Bill

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 7:08 AM Paul Andrews 
mailto:p...@nixies.us>> wrote:
I feel there should be a pinned thread titled “I can’t believe the price of 
tubes these days”. Don’t get me wrong, I also gasp at some of the asking prices 
I see!

Love those IN-18s. I would love to have a set, but I’m not sure I could justify 
the asking price, and I really need to make clocks for all the tubes I already 
have.
On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:18:36 AM UTC-5 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:
I paid $125 for 25 NOS  Philips ZM1022's back in 2002. Kicking myself I did not 
buy 50 at the time as I had the money and they are one of my favorite style 
tubes. They sat packed away for years until 2019 when I got several of the four 
digit Chinese clocks that use them.
On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-5 J Forbes wrote:
A screen shot of part of David's Cathode Corner page twenty years ago. I 
remember when he paid $800 for a box of 100 ZM1040s. Man that was a lot of 
money! :)



On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 4:28:37 PM UTC-7 Terry Bowman wrote:
On Jan 24, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Nick Andrews 
mailto:nickja...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back, but 
wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and the 13s 
what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some folks are 
being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it ruins the market 
for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

It's been a little over four years since I got into this hobby. In April of 
2018 I made some large purchases on eBay; a variety of cold cathode goodies, 
all NOS. The Nixies were all symbolic, no numerics. Here's a sampling of the 
prices (not including very reasonable combined shipping). :

vannadiy:
OG-4 - @$5
2  each of IN-19A/B/V - $11 = @$1.84
10  IN-7 - $11.50 = @$1.15

uralspirit:
IN-15A/B - @$1.50
IN-5A-1/IN-5B-1 - @$2.50
IN-7A - @$2.00
IN-7B - @$1.90
IN-13 - @$6.50  [only $6 a week earlier]

Another seller listed 12 IN-9s for $32 and accepted my offer of $28. That's 
$2.34 apiece less than four years ago.

Sadly, I only purchased five of the IN-13s. Even worse, I could have gotten six 
or eight argon-filled IN-9s for $36 + shippin

[neonixie-l] Nixie in Video game spotted.

[Michail Wilson]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRGaming/comments/shtsx0/hell_road_vr_30_sale_on_steam/


Michail Wilson
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RE: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Michail Wilson]

Regarding history of a sold item.  Here is an example of a seller changing the 
title and contents after a sale to make it appear there was sold history of an 
item they are selling.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/162483870363
The auction is for 100 pcs of a small EL panel readout.  $520.  Fair price, but 
a small display.

History shows that 22 sold at a cost of $30 each auction.
Those 22 were sold to me, but it wasn’t a lot of 100 each, and the item was 
completely different.

The actual auction, over a year ago, was really….
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electroluminescence-Display-indicator-USSR-19-segments-IN-8-IN-14-IN-18/162483870363
They were EL panel displays, but 19 segments (alphanumeric) which I have never 
seen prior or after.

[cid:image001.png@01D815AB.4B7A8060]

Michail
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RE: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Michail Wilson]

Since you brought up IN-9 it made me think of my IV-9 collection (numitrons).

Not even 4 years ago, I was getting them on ebay for $2.50 each.  About a year 
ago, I was getting them for about $4.50 each.  Something happened and I made a 
purchase about 6 months ago at about $8.75 each.   Now they’re from $9-$15 each 
plus astronomical shipping.

I might have paid too much then at $8.75 each, but I have stock piled thousands 
of them (all new in boxes).  I am sure, well, pretty sure that I will never 
need to buy another one.  I do remember buying 600 of them a couple of years 
ago thinking I would never go through them, but it turns out 600 was only 
enough for a little over 2 years.  

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mac Doktor
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 3:29 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?


On Jan 24, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Nick Andrews 
mailto:nickjandr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back, but 
wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and the 13s 
what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some folks are 
being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it ruins the market 
for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

It's been a little over four years since I got into this hobby. In April of 
2018 I made some large purchases on eBay; a variety of cold cathode goodies, 
all NOS. The Nixies were all symbolic, no numerics. Here's a sampling of the 
prices (not including very reasonable combined shipping). :

vannadiy:
OG-4 - @$5
2  each of IN-19A/B/V - $11 = @$1.84
10  IN-7 - $11.50 = @$1.15

uralspirit:
IN-15A/B - @$1.50
IN-5A-1/IN-5B-1 - @$2.50
IN-7A - @$2.00
IN-7B - @$1.90
IN-13 - @$6.50  [only $6 a week earlier]

Another seller listed 12 IN-9s for $32 and accepted my offer of $28. That's 
$2.34 apiece less than four years ago.

Sadly, I only purchased five of the IN-13s. Even worse, I could have gotten six 
or eight argon-filled IN-9s for $36 + shipping and passed on it. I haven't seen 
any since. o_O


Right now I possess thirteen IN-9s and ten IN-13s. You know that some of these 
won't work well enough to be used. I have a use for seven of the IN-13s right 
now.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

"There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a gun 
there"—Hank Hill

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RE: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Michail Wilson]

Very nice.  I personally have never seen them with horizontal/vertical mesh; 
only honeycomb.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Bill Notfaded
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 6:51 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

Well I bought some tubes after searching high and low.  That's what it takes 
these days.  I love z1000R tubes they're much rather it seems but check this!  
Have you seen IN-18 likes these before?

Bill
[cid:image001.jpg@01D814E5.ACBC2F70]
[cid:image002.jpg@01D814E5.ACBC2F70]
Check out the grid have you seen anything like it?  What's the story behind 
these?
Some of the other recent cops:
[cid:image003.jpg@01D814E5.ACBC2F70]
I'll still always be on the lookout even if the pickens are thin!

Best Regards,

Bill
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 2:20:37 PM UTC-7 
artgod...@googlemail.com<mailto:artgod...@googlemail.com> wrote:
I assume it's to try to generate a panic to make you buy it rather than scam 
you for multiple postages. But it often causes me to avoid them because I want 
more than one, or want to come back for more if I like it.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:56 PM Nick Andrews  wrote:
Sellers on Amazon have been doing this lately too.  I ordered a 2" rod of UHMW 
plastic for $12+ and said they only had one.  Next day they had more, but at 
$18.  Bastiches.  Another seller had more at the lower price so I ordered some 
from them.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 6:45 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:
I always check the price history to see when and how much.

I know of sellers selling something for a normal price, then after I buy and 
get it, they change their auction to a completely different cheaper item so it 
appears to new people that the cheap item sold for a higher amount.



Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bartek 
Ogryz
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 1:39 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

Do you know how eastern sellers (Ukrainians, Russians, etc) are uplifting the 
tubes prices? It's a very simple trick :)
I had bought many IV-25 about a year ago for funny money. It was a real catch! 
After a few days, the seller had raised the price 10x. From that moment on, 
every next person, who had found that auction, could think, that so many tubes 
had sold for that high price :)

Tubes prices increased twice last year.

Bartek.
poniedziałek, 24 stycznia 2022 o 20:40:32 UTC+1 nickja...@gmail.com napisał(a):
That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back, but 
wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and the 13s 
what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some folks are 
being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it ruins the market 
for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:
Some blathering...


On Jan 23, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:

Perhaps for some of us collectors we now sit on a gold mine

Everything I've bought in the last five years seems to have turned into a good 
to excellent investment. IN-13s have of course gone up in price at a steady 
pace but over the last year or so IN-9s have absolutely skyrocketed. For 
example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223870481127


That's $14.36 apiece including shipping but not taxes—for a lot of 25! If you 
click on the number of lots sold you'll see that last February the BIN was only 
$179. o_O

Ridiculous asking prices are nothing new on eBay but I've bought from this 
seller in the past and he/she/it was reasonable then.

The pandemic is the major factor in all of this but we all know that stocks of 
Soviet surplus are dwindling as well. Also, a certain Chinese "VU" meter with 
two IN-9s suddenly turned up everywhere in the last year. The typical price is 
something like $109. Could that be factor #3?


Forget about hoarding IN-14s, I should have borrowed some money and bought 
every IN-9 in sight a year ago. I would have at least doubled my money by 
Christmas.  8D


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

"There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a gun 
there"—Hank Hill

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RE: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Michail Wilson]

I always check the price history to see when and how much.

I know of sellers selling something for a normal price, then after I buy and 
get it, they change their auction to a completely different cheaper item so it 
appears to new people that the cheap item sold for a higher amount.



Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Bartek Ogryz
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 1:39 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

Do you know how eastern sellers (Ukrainians, Russians, etc) are uplifting the 
tubes prices? It's a very simple trick :)
I had bought many IV-25 about a year ago for funny money. It was a real catch! 
After a few days, the seller had raised the price 10x. From that moment on, 
every next person, who had found that auction, could think, that so many tubes 
had sold for that high price :)

Tubes prices increased twice last year.

Bartek.
poniedziałek, 24 stycznia 2022 o 20:40:32 UTC+1 
nickja...@gmail.com<mailto:nickja...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back, but 
wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and the 13s 
what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some folks are 
being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it ruins the market 
for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:
Some blathering...


On Jan 23, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:

Perhaps for some of us collectors we now sit on a gold mine

Everything I've bought in the last five years seems to have turned into a good 
to excellent investment. IN-13s have of course gone up in price at a steady 
pace but over the last year or so IN-9s have absolutely skyrocketed. For 
example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223870481127


That's $14.36 apiece including shipping but not taxes—for a lot of 25! If you 
click on the number of lots sold you'll see that last February the BIN was only 
$179. o_O

Ridiculous asking prices are nothing new on eBay but I've bought from this 
seller in the past and he/she/it was reasonable then.

The pandemic is the major factor in all of this but we all know that stocks of 
Soviet surplus are dwindling as well. Also, a certain Chinese "VU" meter with 
two IN-9s suddenly turned up everywhere in the last year. The typical price is 
something like $109. Could that be factor #3?


Forget about hoarding IN-14s, I should have borrowed some money and bought 
every IN-9 in sight a year ago. I would have at least doubled my money by 
Christmas.  8D


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

"There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a gun 
there"—Hank Hill

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RE: [neonixie-l] Jon Ellis Dekatron clock is done

[Michail Wilson]

I love it.

… Decotron
… The case, and
… The blue LEDS.

It looks great.

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RE: [neonixie-l] Some terrible luck...

[Michail Wilson]

Ummm, a huge corporation selling just 1 on ebay reporting it is NEW and having 
97% feedback.

I agree, they can definitely be had cheaper than I offered them.  I think I 
wrote that.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Audrey
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 12:33 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Some terrible luck...

Um ive mostly seen b7971s sell for $250-$275

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 3:16 PM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
Hello Jim,

I debated with myself in even responding, because I really 
don’t want the hate responses I will likely get.  Uhhhgg.

I have several and I don’t want to sell them.  I do really feel 
for your situation and it would be a shame to see a MOD-6 go tubeless.  Even 
more is that you’re a fellow neonixie member, but I have to think of my 
remaining dwindling supply.

I will offer up tubes at $325 each (insured shipped – to USA).  
Unlike ebay sellers ($375 - $550 each), I have been around forever and I 
guarantee that they work.  I would take video of them working in a MOD-6 and 
mark them on video to ensure you get what I show.

With that said, I hope others will be able to supply to you at 
a cheaper price, hell, I encourage it.  At least you now have another option 
outside of ebay.


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jim KO5V
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02 AM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [neonixie-l] Some terrible luck...

Well, This may be the dumbest question of the year - and it's still very early.

I packed my MOD-SIX_7971 clock and it's tubes away so I can do some extensive 
remodeling. The tubes were carefully packaged in a separate box.Unfortunately, 
my help dropped a large, heavy box on the tube box, and broke 5 of the 7 tubes 
(good thing I had a spare...). It was a legitimate accident, but I am not sure 
if my insurance will cover this.

So, I need to find four tubes. Apparently, most have now been added to hoards. 
During a purge of surplus "treasures" a couple of years ago, I sold some 
spares, thinking that the money would be more useful than tubes (and ham radio 
stuff, etc, etc)stored in a closet. Oh well...

Does anyone have any tubes for sale?

Thanks. Jim
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RE: [neonixie-l] Some terrible luck...

[Michail Wilson]

Hello Jim,

I debated with myself in even responding, because I really 
don’t want the hate responses I will likely get.  Uhhhgg.

I have several and I don’t want to sell them.  I do really feel 
for your situation and it would be a shame to see a MOD-6 go tubeless.  Even 
more is that you’re a fellow neonixie member, but I have to think of my 
remaining dwindling supply.

I will offer up tubes at $325 each (insured shipped – to USA).  
Unlike ebay sellers ($375 - $550 each), I have been around forever and I 
guarantee that they work.  I would take video of them working in a MOD-6 and 
mark them on video to ensure you get what I show.

With that said, I hope others will be able to supply to you at 
a cheaper price, hell, I encourage it.  At least you now have another option 
outside of ebay.


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jim KO5V
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Some terrible luck...

Well, This may be the dumbest question of the year - and it's still very early.

I packed my MOD-SIX_7971 clock and it's tubes away so I can do some extensive 
remodeling. The tubes were carefully packaged in a separate box.Unfortunately, 
my help dropped a large, heavy box on the tube box, and broke 5 of the 7 tubes 
(good thing I had a spare...). It was a legitimate accident, but I am not sure 
if my insurance will cover this.

So, I need to find four tubes. Apparently, most have now been added to hoards. 
During a purge of surplus "treasures" a couple of years ago, I sold some 
spares, thinking that the money would be more useful than tubes (and ham radio 
stuff, etc, etc)stored in a closet. Oh well...

Does anyone have any tubes for sale?

Thanks. Jim
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RE: [neonixie-l] Cathode Corner Scope Clock is nearing production

[Michail Wilson]

Me too.  At least one.

Going to add Wifi for NTP?

Michail Wilson
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From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Scales
Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2021 7:33 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Cathode Corner Scope Clock is nearing production

I don't have a scope clock - yet .
I'm looking forward to seeing detailed specifications as and when.
count me in too!
 - Richard

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 03:24:03 UTC+1 martin martin wrote:
Count me in!  I have one other scope clock, but it's not too accurate.  Will 
look good next to the many Nixie and Numitron clocks..



~
mcve...@gmail.com


On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 7:11 PM Audrey  wrote:
Wow that's amazing! Excellent work.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021, 10:00 PM David Forbes  wrote:
Finally! I have found a way to make Scope Clocks again.
I first made them in 2001, using a plastic case fabricated locally. I
redesigned the case several years ago using living hinges, and made a
couple prototypes on the laser cutter at the local hackerspace,
Xerocraft. This didn't seem to be a sustainable production method, as
their laser cutter is in high demand. So I started building my own
laser cutter in 2019, then I had to build a workshop to house it, then
the pandemic...
The circuit board uses a custom power supply transformer to make the 5
voltages needed form a 12V wall wart. The CRT is a 3RP1-A with a real
socket. The computer is a Teensy 3.6, which has the horsepower and two
DACs to allow circle and line generation in firmware. The code will be
open source. I have already started to write a Pong game for it. Four
letter words and haikus are on the horizon.
The case may be cut in either acrylic or Baltic birch. I also will
provide the enclosure source as an OpenSCAD file. (It's an amazing
program!) I still need to optimize the living hinges for acrylic, as
they are a bit delicate.
Stay tuned for more information.

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[neonixie-l] GARGANTUAN Nixie

[Michail Wilson]

Can’t find that it was posted here or not.

Ron is at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6SUaZ8PLeI


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RE: [neonixie-l] Corvair instrument panel is lit up

[Michail Wilson]

Very nice.

I did take notice of the termperature.  Oh, and the speedometer.   It's not 
going into a DeLorean though?

Michail Wilson
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-Original Message-
From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
David Forbes
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 4:33 PM
To: NeoNixie 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Corvair instrument panel is lit up

A few months ago, I designed a Nixie instrument panel for my Corvair.
I got it almost all built, then some telescope projects stole my brain. I 
finally finished those projects, and took a day to get the Nixie display board 
running. It worked right away after fixing a couple software bugs.
The controller uses a Teensy 3.2, and will live in a box in the engine 
compartment where all the engine sensors are located. There is an
RS-422 SPI data link. I used 74HC595 shift registers and TD62083 driver arrays 
in a direct-drive design. The tubes are NL-4998 and NL-5870. It runs from 9V 
that's regulated on the controller board, using TaylorEdge HV supplies hiding 
behind the 5870s.
I'm happy to share the design with anyone who's interested. I will let you know 
when it's installed in the car and displaying real numbers.
Bonus points if you can guess what parameter each display area is for.

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RE: [neonixie-l] Utmel.com

[Michail Wilson]

Thanks all.

Received several suggestions and found a wide range of prices (below and above 
the standard Mouser/DigiKey).

I decided to pay with American Express, so, if any are a scam, I will be 
covered and the hassle will not be that bad.

The example part I mentioned was SDM40E20LS-7-F …
Standard pricing around $0.23 each plus shipping.

I ordered 1000 from: Arrow.com for a total of $223 (includes fedex 2 day 
shipping, tax, import, parts).
They shipped ‘something’ the same day and fedex shows I will have it Monday.

Once tracking had shown something being shipped, I checked the site again to 
see the 1000 were gone, and another 500 gone.
So, I placed an order for the last 790 today for a total cost of $200.  We will 
see.

I had never heard of LCSC (Thank you newxito).  Searching my email for it,, I 
found that JLCPCB has referred them several times.  So, I placed an order with 
them as well.
I ordered 3000 for $305.   That’s only $ 0.1019 each.  Less than half 
Mouser/Digi-Key.  Amazing.
While on the site, I also ordered 50x ESP32-WROOM-32@ 2.43.  Again, nearly half 
of Mouser/Digi-Key.  Amazing
DHL shipping for all of that is only $31.  Will get it within a week.

And, lastly, I ordered from: SymmetryElectronics.com
100x CP2102N-A02-GQFN28 @ 1.36
Parts+tax+shipping for:  163.77
Again, about half the price of Mouser/Digi-Key.

I was not looking to get cheaper pricing as I have always been happy with 
Mouser and Digi-Key.  The only reason this came up is that neither of them have 
many of the parts available that I was looking to get and showing up to 11 
months of lead time.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
David Forbes
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2021 5:46 PM
To: NeoNixie 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Utmel.com

Rather than going to dodgy vendors, I have been able to find a similar part 
from a different manufacturer that meets my specs and is in stock at Digikey.
Is there anything in the BAT series?



On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 11:55 AM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
I have been trying to buy components for a while, but it seems almost nothing 
is available.
After using Mouser and Digi-Key for years I now see items with 11 months lead 
times, so I am on the hunt to find others.
Now, people that do have the items in stock are charging outrageous amounts.
Ie…  SDM40E20LS-7-F   should be around $0.22 each.  I found a seller that has 
them, but wants $5.00 each.  WTF

Basically, has anyone purchased from  Utmel.com (and received their items)?

I have been searching through scam and review sites, but find nothing or simply 
a couple of fake reviews.

Michail Wilson
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[neonixie-l] Utmel.com

[Michail Wilson]

I have been trying to buy components for a while, but it seems almost nothing 
is available.
After using Mouser and Digi-Key for years I now see items with 11 months lead 
times, so I am on the hunt to find others.
Now, people that do have the items in stock are charging outrageous amounts.
Ie...  SDM40E20LS-7-F   should be around $0.22 each.  I found a seller that has 
them, but wants $5.00 each.  WTF

Basically, has anyone purchased from  Utmel.com (and received their items)?

I have been searching through scam and review sites, but find nothing or simply 
a couple of fake reviews.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

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RE: [neonixie-l] Geesh for VFDs?

[Michail Wilson]

I would never buy them anyway even for a low price simply because of the zero.  
Simply difficult to read until you get used to them.  ☹

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nick Andrews
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:24 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Geesh for VFDs?

You're paying for the coolness factor of alien script... !5138008 07734  
doesn't look quite right in actual font like on the calculator screen I guess...

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 12:21 PM Bill Notfaded 
mailto:notfad...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255021357040
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254964421952

Yeah they're a little harder to find but geesh!  I remember when no one really 
wanted these at all because they're so strange in the layout.  It's not like 
you can really spell letters very well or anything.  We all know what trying to 
do alphabet with 7 segments is like.

Bill
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RE: [neonixie-l] Prices, seriously?

[Michail Wilson]

I have a couple hundred IN-14s.  At $55, I would love to sell them all as well.
Just to be clear, I think they said $55 for a fine grid.  I have about 20 of 
them.   Who’s buying?  Heh.
Just looked, I actually have about 5 NOS IN-14 Fine grid.

In my experience, I don’t like the fine grid as much.  They look nice, but 
appear to be some military type of coating and they take a little time to ‘warm 
up’.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Adam Jacobs
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 12:57 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Prices, seriously?

Wait seriously $55 for IN-14? I'm going to sell of my stash and plan a European 
vacation...

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 12:39 PM Bill Notfaded 
mailto:notfad...@gmail.com>> wrote:
55$ for an IN-14... geesh!  It's fine grid but what?

Bill
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 2:24:48 PM UTC-7 
nickja...@gmail.com<mailto:nickja...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good info, thanks!

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:04 PM Nicholas Stock 
mailto:nick...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Same story, no Hg in those either and the IN1 has the bakelite type base (fugly 
to some). I had a clock with IN4's in and got fed up changing the tubes..looked 
like internal shorts (whisker development), but I didn't analyze them very 
closelyI have one of Juergen's IN2 clocks on my desk and I have to replace 
one of the tubes every 4 or 5 months it would seem. However, I haven't had 
to replace an IN17 (same digit size as far as I can see)..

useful table here with datasheet lifetimes...

https://gra-afch.com/how-it-works/how-to-choose-the-right-nixie-tube/

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:54 PM Nick Andrews 
mailto:nickja...@gmail.com>> wrote:
$2.06ea delivered, if they get here.  Hopefully some good ones.  Allegedly NOS, 
but you know how that goes.  How about the IN-1 and IN-4?  Don't have any of 
those.  Yet.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:50 PM Nicholas Stock 
mailto:nick...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yep, it's gone nuts.

Beware the IN2, no Hg, so lifetime can be short and their QC left a little to 
be desired.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Nick Andrews 
mailto:nickja...@gmail.com>> wrote:
SO it's getting beyond ridiculous now.  Over $6ea for IN-17 now?  Really?  
Quadrupled in price since I got a hundred of them just a few months ago.  IN-12 
are psychotic too.  Just bought  hundred IN-2 and waiting on them.  Guess I'm 
SOL on getting some big tubes unless I want to trade a pistol or something.
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Looking for one (1), or perhaps two, IN-8-2 from 1983 or 1984 with full length pins!

[Michail Wilson]

Let me know if they don’t work out for you.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Dekatron42
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:44 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Looking for one (1), or perhaps two, IN-8-2 from 1983 
or 1984 with full length pins!

Bought a  pair of somewhat newer date, the regular eBay sellers have mostly 
become very greedy nowadays so a few new sellers are underbidding them - hope 
the new sellers deliver what they promise!

/Martin

On Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 12:40:15 UTC+2 Bill Notfaded wrote:
Yeah it looks like the whole board is conformally coated Martin.  I'm not sure 
I spelled that right?

Bill
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:17:05 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
I haven't tried to remove them yet as the whole circuit board including all 
components have been dipped in some plastic and it covers everything including 
the isolation tubes on the pins and it holds them in a very hard grip. Touching 
them they feel like a completely glued down part so I hope that snipping them 
off at the Nixie bottom and then desoldering them from the board will let me 
pull them out from the isolation tube and then thread the new pins into the 
tubes and soldering them back. I want to keep the bottom piece of the Nixie 
intact too, that piece is fastened with a screw under the Nixie so I can't 
reach that unless I crush the piece left from the Nixie bottom.

/Martin

On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 23:54:13 UTC+2 John Snow wrote:
Are you going to remove the tube's legs from the plastic to re-use? If so, have 
you already tried or are they melted on?
On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 22:33:48 UTC+1 Dekatron42 wrote:
I am looking for one (1), or perhaps two, IN-8-2 with full length pins from 
1983 or 1984 with preferably datecodes 0183, 0584 or 1084, does anyone have 
one, or two, such to sell?

I have checked eBay and some other places and asked several sellers but no one 
seems to have these datecodes with full length pins. I need full length pins 
due to the way the original Nixie was mounted, see photo below where the wires 
are threaded in plastic isolation tubes, and I really want to keep the original 
look.

/Martin

[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/491eb962a5a63/Crushed-IN-8-2.jpg?part=0.1=1]
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RE: [neonixie-l] 1978 Heathkit Pana (fixed)

[Michail Wilson]

What was the problem it was exhibiting?

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
martin martin
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 5:13 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] 1978 Heathkit Pana (fixed)

After sitting on the "broken shelf" for more than a year I devoted a Sunday to 
fixing this.  Has not been opened except for removing this leaking NiCads since 
I built it in '78/

The culprit?  a near short 0.02 uF.

Don't you just love those Beckman Panaplex?

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RE: [neonixie-l] B-8971

[Michail Wilson]

That link is to YOUR purchase which we can’t see since we are not logged into 
your account.

But, I reversed searched….
https://www.ebay.com/itm/313531778165

Nice price you got there.  Sniping in the last 7 seconds.  Must be using 
auctionsentry.  

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Bill Notfaded
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:13 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] B-8971

Scored a replacement tube for my Bad-Nixie B-8971 clock!
https://www.ebay.com/vod/FetchOrderDetails?ViewPaymentStatus=02-0709-848942

Not so common whew!

Bill
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: 14-digit nixie calculator project with clock function

[Michail Wilson]

Looking forward to it.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
newxito
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 9:50 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: 14-digit nixie calculator project with clock function

In case anyone is still interested, there is some work in progress to make the 
project (IN-16 and IN-17 versions) available on github.

The original project was not suitable for sharing for various reasons. I’ 
currently assembling two new calculators to test the changes I have made to 
improve the project:

-  Smaller and simpler controller board with easy to solder parts. 
A hot air gun is no longer needed. Also, the HV part has been removed, so now 
you can use your favorite HV PSU (assuming it fits in the case and provides 
enough current for 14 nixies).

-  The keyboard circuit has been redesigned using a classic matrix 
with an ATmega328p instead of the HT16K33. It is now easier to detect 
simultaneous keystrokes, so more levels of functions can be added to the 
keyboard

-  The display boards have been completely redesigned to use socket 
boards for the nixies. That should fix the biggest issue with the old design. 
It’s now a lot easier to replace a broken tube
(see the only document I have uploaded so far, so you can get a first 
impression)

-  Major firmware changes in progress. All the settings can now be 
adjusted using the keyboard, a network connection is no longer needed. 
Actually, I will completely remove the network code.

If everything works as expected, I hope I will have the project ready to share 
by end of June.

https://github.com/axtar/14-digits-nixie-calculator


newxito schrieb am Montag, 1. März 2021 um 23:14:21 UTC+1:
I’m cleaning up the firmware of the calculator and I have moved the code for 
the calculations to a small separate library.
Actually, I would like to learn how to build unit tests and that’s the ideal 
type of library to start with.
But I quickly found out that this is boring and not fun… so, no unit tests...
If someone is interested, here is the link :
https://github.com/axtar/NixieCalc

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971 DUSTOFF Board Interest

[Michail Wilson]

That is my video, but I didn’t know it before I clicked the link.

I have no idea why it says comments are disabled.   I wonder if someone 
complained that it wasn’t for kids?  You know Nixie Porn.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Scales
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:42 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971 DUSTOFF Board Interest

The only problem in doing that - as far as I can tell - is that the B5971 does 
not have the same number of segments, I believe that the centre vertical 
segment is one long piece from top to bottom as opposed to being made up of two 
parts.
Whilst it may be possible to handle the switching of this with some electronics 
it would be easier to do it in software - re-mapping all the characters to deal 
with the difference.
Over at the Smart-Sockets group you will find details of a project for the 
B5971.
Here is a clip of some of them in action:  https://youtu.be/dCdzolBSNM8
I have adapted the same B-5971 controller boards and software to drive SP-101 
panaplex displays and other 7 segment devices.
- Richard


On Thursday, 29 April 2021 at 01:11:11 UTC+1 
peter@gmail.com wrote:
I'm absolutely still interested in the DUSTOFF board.  I'm also interested in 
the ZM1350 board however I don't have any tubes and they seem very hard to 
obtain.  I do have a set of B5971 tubes.  Is it possible to adapt the ZM1350 
board to B5971?  I guess what I'm asking is if it's a one piece board or if the 
displays are on a separate pcb.  If so would it be possible for me to design a 
display board for the B5971's that would plug into the driver board if it's a 
multiple board design.

Thanks!

Pete

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 5:02:06 PM UTC-4 Mahdi Al Husseini wrote:
Whew! Sorry again everyone. Been out of the country again, and will be leaving 
to Australia in early June for a couple months. Work has been crazy this year. 
That said... here are updates on all my existing and future projects. .

EXISTING PROJECTS
If your name is not listed below and you're interested, please let me know! 
Cost will be roughly the cost to manufacture and assemble + shipping, in the 
$300-$400 range for various boards.

DUSTOFF B7971 BOARD + ESP32 ADAPTER [ESP32 w/ WiFi Connectivity]

Based on the feedback provided, I have already put in another PCB manufacturing 
and assembly order for five DUSTOFF displays (no tubes). I am tracking the 
following individuals are interested (no commitment):

1.) Peter Doroba
2.) Jon Jackson (#2! + I owe working ESP32 back-end implementation of database)
3.) Wo Tu (board not assembled, kit version)
4.) Wayne de Greer (x2?)
5.)

Peter and Jon, your maintained interest has been (happily) noted, looking for 
continuing interest from Wo and Wayne.

GEORGIA TECH GRADCAP B5971 [ESP32 w/ WiFi Connectivity]
Kind of a neat update on this one, I was recently issued a design patent! I 
have one remaining (no tubes). Last I was tracking, the following individuals 
were interested (no commitment):

1.) William "Bill" Eckler

Will, please let me know if you're still interested.

ZM1350 8-TUBE BOARD [ESP32 w/ WiFi Connectivity]

I have two remaining (no tubes). Last I was tracking, the following individuals 
were interested (no commitment):

1.) Jon Jackson
2.) Paul Wolff

Jon and Paul, please let me know if you're still interested.

UPCOMING PROJECTS

STANFORD GRADCAP ZM1350 [ESP32 w/ WiFi Connectivity]
Especially excited about this one - uses a matrix array of ZM1350s to show off 
some neat moving graphics! Software is going to a pain and will largely have to 
be written from scratch, but should be a fun challenge. Design patent 
application filed on this.

POST-MODERN 8091 CLOCK [ESP32 w/ WiFi Connectivity]
The circuit board is up and running properly, but still trying to design an 
interesting and post-modern black anodized aluminum case for said clock... 
should we be neat when complete! I also only have 5 8091s, and am desperately 
searching for a 6th. Trying to turn this into a collaboration project with an 
industrial designer!


On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 6:13 AM Jon Jackson 
mailto:jond...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Mahdi,

I would be interested in a second DUSTOFF board for my daughter down the 
street.  I could send her simple greetings and updates.

Jon



On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Doroba 
mailto:peter@gmail.com>> wrote:
Knock, knock. LOL


On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 9:40:55 AM UTC-5 Peter Doroba wrote:
No worries. Thanks!

Pete

On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 1:36:06 AM UTC-5 Mahdi Al Husseini wrote:
Hi, Peter (and Bill and others),

I owe you all some information, which I will get to this weekend. I apologize - 
I have been out of country for work related reasons, and have been away from my 
workstation, for much of the past few months. Finally, I have returned home. Be 
in touch soon.

Mahdi

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:53 AM Peter Doroba 
mailto:peter@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any 

[neonixie-l] B-7971 - eBay (Not my auction)

[Michail Wilson]

Nice to see (or not) tubes going for $300 each lately.

A chance at 7 of them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/294131943326

Michail

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[neonixie-l] SP-352

[Michail Wilson]

For anyone looking, possibly to fix HeathKit GC-1005 clocks, there are an ebay 
auctions for Atari game counters.   $35, but includes 2x SP-352

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atari-match-credit-display-board-mod-A006098-01/303517024217

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atari-match-credit-display-board-mod-A030912/293515054448

Also, from time to time there is gas pump display boards that have 4x SP-352 + 
2x SP-353 display.
GILBARCO MARCONI DISPLAY

Michail

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Sourcing Panaplex Displays (SP-252)

[Michail Wilson]

Hello B Gladden,

First, congrats on joining.

The 252 and 352 are basically the same except that the 352 has 2 keep-alive 
indicators which are not needed.  That is why they have the 2 extra pins that 
the manual and Bill mentions.
You ‘could’ even use a 752 if a must, although the resistors would best be 
changed to account for the difference in power requirements.

It’s unfortunate that the 352 (2 digit) are more expensive than the 353 (3 
digit versions) which are less than half the price.
Example… the 352 is $30 on ebay.
The 353 is about $12 on ebay.  I have been buying them up nearly every day.

  *   You can guess who I am by looking at the purchase history… 
https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin=174440630742=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2564

Another note on the caps.  I have seen units that people want to appear as 
original.  So, they drill out the original cap to fit in modern caps.


Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Bill Stanley
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 7:00 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Sourcing Panaplex Displays (SP-252)

It may depend on the Heathkit clock you have. I have the original GC-1005 that 
uses the SP-352 tubes just fine. I do note that the 353 displays have more pins 
than sockets (pin bent out of the way) so perhaps the 352 is a superset of the 
252. In the manual on page 20 it indicates that your display may have 2 extra 
pins that are simply bent out of the way.

In terms of available parts, I ordered 2 from ebay at:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/S2T5-Beckman-SP-352-Gas-Discharge-2-Digits-7-segment-Display/29783749

Note that they do not test or indicate that they will work  "Sold as none (sic) 
working units, for parts"
One display worked fine while the other one had a metal "blob" in the middle of 
the E segment. It displays only 1/2 of that segment. YMMV

The good news is that current capacitors are smaller and probably have longer 
life than the original. You will probably want to replace C203 (2x20 uF 350V) 
and C204 (1200 uF 25V).
DigiKey would be a good source to check.

  -Bill-

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-7 
bgla...@gmail.com<mailto:bgla...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all just found and signed up for the board! Really interested in what you 
folks do here.

Just found a neat Heathkit kit clock at a yard sale and I'm hoping to revive 
the little guy. I assume the thing needs these 45 year old capacitors replaced 
at some point, but my real issue is with these Panaplex displays. One display 
appears to be on it's last legs and another is completely dead.

I'd like to go ahead and swap in some "new" ones, but what I thought would be a 
simple trip to eBay turned out to be much more complicated. Does anybody have a 
source for replacing the SP-252 displays in here? I've checked with Sphere 
Research and they do not have any in stock.

Thanks in advance!
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RE: [neonixie-l] Nixie dashboard for a car

[Michail Wilson]

Nice.  Love numitrons.

I think many thought they wouldn’t be able to handle the vibrations; however, 
they were used in a lot of aircraft equipment which endure typically more 
vibrations than a car.

Michail


From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
peter bunge
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 8:22 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie dashboard for a car

My digital tach made in the mid '70s using RCA DR2000 incandescent displays.
It was installed in a rear view mirror and mounted on the dash of 1961 Corvair.
There was a magazine article (possibly Radio Electronics)
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 10:01 PM J Forbes 
mailto:jforb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is anyone working on one? has anyone made one work? or not done so well at it, 
and learned something?


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RE: [neonixie-l] Speaking of the IV-17...

[Michail Wilson]

Nicholas,

I would have purchased several of those kits if they were open source to the 
point that I could have gotten the code to do that.  I like making things other 
than clocks.

Would love to get some if you ever decide to open source it, but I completely 
understand why you wouldn’t want to.  

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nicholas Stock
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:31 PM
To: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Speaking of the IV-17...

http://angryelectrons.co/wordclock-3/

Comes in 6,8 and 16 digit flavo(u)rs. I can supply kits, but alas there is some 
SMD work involved (sorry Terry!). Not arduino controlled, so maybe not what 
you're looking for, but I can attest to 16 IV17 tubes looking awesome scrolling 
words..



On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 4:53 PM Michail Wilson 
mailto:m...@michail.com>> wrote:
I hope you find something as I would be interested in very much the similar 
idea.   I can’t see to find anything other than 4 or 6 tubes.   I would love an 
Arduino controlled idea with the same sort of idea and many modular like 4, 8, 
12, 16, 20 tube strings (possibly just shift registers down the line).

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mac Doktor
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:49 PM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [neonixie-l] Speaking of the IV-17...

I've never gotten into VFDs. Unlike Nixies they've been around all my life. 
There's one in the microwave oven sitting in our kitchen right now!

After the recent discussion about IN-23 prices it suddenly occurred to me to 
take a second look at the IV-4/IV-17. The idea of having a dozen or more of 
them in a row and watching text scroll by in Cyrillic, Roman, 
Klingon—whatever—is tantalizing. I took a look on eBay and...wow, they're still 
really cheap!

There are lots of clocks etc. available but what I really want is that 
ticker-tape effect.

I'm coming late to the party. What's available that fits the bill? I'm 
interested in something that's just the PC boards and software. I don't need a 
nice enclosure. I'd also like to be able to control it from something with a 
higher-level language than PIC or AVR assembler. The Arduino is an obvious 
choice but that's just one possibility.

I'll also ask for the moon: something that doesn't require soldering any 
surface mount components.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"
https://www.astarcloseup.com/

“...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it 
said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", Cosmos, 1980

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RE: [neonixie-l] Speaking of the IV-17...

[Michail Wilson]

I hope you find something as I would be interested in very much the similar 
idea.   I can’t see to find anything other than 4 or 6 tubes.   I would love an 
Arduino controlled idea with the same sort of idea and many modular like 4, 8, 
12, 16, 20 tube strings (possibly just shift registers down the line).

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mac Doktor
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:49 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Speaking of the IV-17...

I've never gotten into VFDs. Unlike Nixies they've been around all my life. 
There's one in the microwave oven sitting in our kitchen right now!

After the recent discussion about IN-23 prices it suddenly occurred to me to 
take a second look at the IV-4/IV-17. The idea of having a dozen or more of 
them in a row and watching text scroll by in Cyrillic, Roman, 
Klingon—whatever—is tantalizing. I took a look on eBay and...wow, they're still 
really cheap!

There are lots of clocks etc. available but what I really want is that 
ticker-tape effect.

I'm coming late to the party. What's available that fits the bill? I'm 
interested in something that's just the PC boards and software. I don't need a 
nice enclosure. I'd also like to be able to control it from something with a 
higher-level language than PIC or AVR assembler. The Arduino is an obvious 
choice but that's just one possibility.

I'll also ask for the moon: something that doesn't require soldering any 
surface mount components.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"
https://www.astarcloseup.com/

“...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it 
said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", Cosmos, 1980

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RE: [neonixie-l] IV-11

[Michail Wilson]

Better price to buy all?

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 ??
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 12:17 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] IV-11

Hi,
I can find 500 pcs. IV-11 for $5,5 ea. Does anyone need them?
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RE: [neonixie-l] Nixie 7977

[Michail Wilson]

How could you tell it was fake?   Ummm, hehe.

It’s not like the word Nixie was misspelled or anything.  LOL
O, it was!

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Aiden Fang
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 9:24 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie 7977

The power module you bought is a counterfeit one! Mr. Zeyuan Yan is the 
designer, who is also on this board.

The NCH6100HV has been replaced by a newer model, NCH6300HV, last December. 
Please see the link below for the genuine one.

https://omnixie.com/products/nch6300hv-nixie-hv-power-module





On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 7:43:03 AM UTC-7 
pierreyv...@gmail.com<mailto:pierreyv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Michael,

You mean with this screw, right?

BTW, I have 4 nixies, and no one respond, maybe they are all burnt (maybe they 
were already burnt when the were shipped :o/

Thx again!

[https://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l/attach/29db682e1294b/IMG_4256.jpg?part=0.1=1]

Le dimanche 14 mars 2021 à 13 h 06 min 32 s UTC-4, M1 a écrit :
Or simply check if there is 170volt coming from it with a volt meter.

Also, if you have swapped anode/cathode, something should still light up 
without damage.  There would be a glow.

Since you have it wired correctly (with a resistor) on the correct pins, even 
if the polarity is reversed, and you have 170volts output, then the tube is 
bad.  There is no harm trying other tubes to see.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
newxito
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 8:45 AM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie 7977

Hi Pierre
You may need to check that the enable pin on your HV power supply is set to the 
correct level (depends on the model).



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RE: [neonixie-l] Nixie 7977

[Michail Wilson]

Or simply check if there is 170volt coming from it with a volt meter.

Also, if you have swapped anode/cathode, something should still light up 
without damage.  There would be a glow.

Since you have it wired correctly (with a resistor) on the correct pins, even 
if the polarity is reversed, and you have 170volts output, then the tube is 
bad.  There is no harm trying other tubes to see.

Michail Wilson
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newxito
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 8:45 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie 7977

Hi Pierre
You may need to check that the enable pin on your HV power supply is set to the 
correct level (depends on the model).



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RE: [neonixie-l] interesting eBay photo update

[Michail Wilson]

I think that was a while back.

Note:   You can use SNIP
In the search bar on the bottom left (assuming you’re using windows), just type 
in SNIP and enter.

When you click new, your screen is frozen and you’re able to select the area 
you want.  Then easily save the picture and/or get a new image, etc.

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alb.001 alb.001
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 7:57 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] interesting eBay photo update


Did anyone notice that eBay has switched from photos that are j-pegs to images 
as HTML documents.   You can no longer copy the images for your own files.

Pharma Phil
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RE: [neonixie-l] USB connector shield

[Michail Wilson]

I don’t know, but thought I might point out that it appears you have the USB 
connector running in line along the circuit board.  Maybe you meant to do that 
though.

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Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 4:54 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] USB connector shield

I'm trying to make a CPU load indicator with 3 IN-12. This is my first project 
using USB power and data from a PC
I'm not sure about the shield of the USB connector, Google is a little bit 
confusing about this point...
Basically I found 3 different opinions:

1. Do not ground the shield
2. Ground the shield
3. Connect the shield to ground trough a 33k resistor

Can somebody give me advise?
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[neonixie-l] Just wow.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/274654341777

[Michail Wilson]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274654341777

Someone got a great deal.  I missed it by seconds.

Michail

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

[Michail Wilson]

All good.   I’ve not been immune to that myself.  (More than once.)   Uhhhg.

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From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Nisei
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 7:42 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] Re: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Yeah sorry Michael,
The reason I deleted my post on the group immediately after I discovered that.
But unfortunately everyone’s already received my reply so the damage was 
already done 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michail Wilson
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 4:35 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] Re: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Hello Yohan,

You’re welcome; however, I let everyone know long BEFORE the price over doubled.

In fact, you even included my original email from a month ago where I first 
brought it up on December 16th after I had already purchased over 40 units, and 
it didn’t double until January 14th.

So, you had 29 days and plenty of opportunities since they were relisted every 
few days with which to have bought them.

With that said and even with the tone of your response, I would happily provide 
you some at my cost, but with the added cost of shipping.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com<mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Yohan Park
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 5:35 PM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Thanks for letting us know AFTER the price has doubled... ;)
On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:10:48 PM UTC+1 M1 wrote:
Not sure if anyone bought them (Core2 units).  I bought and paid for and 
received 126 units over a span of 10 orders.
Amazon/Seller finally figured it out and the price went from $26 to $55.

Hope a few of you got some.

Michail

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michail Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 2:33 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com<mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [neonixie-l] M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Not sure if anyone does any testing with ESP32; however, I have done a lot with 
the M5Stack.  Very nice unit with enclosure and 2” LCD, 3 buttons, wifi, etc.  
I have purchased and used and sold over 100 units.

They constantly go on back order, etc, so you can be notified via eMail when 
they become available.   They are sold directly from M5 for $28 + shipping.  
Amazon/eBay sells for $43.  Digikey is $28 + import + shipping.

Now the reason for my post….

M5 has the new version…. M5Stack Core2. That is $39.99 from M5 stack, but 
about $55 on ebay or amazon if available.   More features like Bluetooth, touch 
screen, motor, etc.

Amazon strangely had them listed at $26 shipped.   WTF.
So, I purchased several knowing I could return if clones or wrong item.   It 
turns out they are original, so, I bought more, and more, and more, and more.   
Over the last couple of weeks, they post about 5, sell, and then add more to 
inventory.   Now that I have over 40 which I don’t have a use for (yet), I 
thought I would make it public.

I bought the last 7 again yesterday which were just delivered.  So, they should 
be available again in a few days.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RTKTJZB/#ace-7448806443


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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

[Michail Wilson]

Hello Yohan,

You’re welcome; however, I let everyone know long BEFORE the price over doubled.

In fact, you even included my original email from a month ago where I first 
brought it up on December 16th after I had already purchased over 40 units, and 
it didn’t double until January 14th.

So, you had 29 days and plenty of opportunities since they were relisted every 
few days with which to have bought them.

With that said and even with the tone of your response, I would happily provide 
you some at my cost, but with the added cost of shipping.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Yohan Park
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 5:35 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Thanks for letting us know AFTER the price has doubled... ;)
On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:10:48 PM UTC+1 M1 wrote:
Not sure if anyone bought them (Core2 units).  I bought and paid for and 
received 126 units over a span of 10 orders.
Amazon/Seller finally figured it out and the price went from $26 to $55.

Hope a few of you got some.

Michail

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Michail Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 2:33 PM
To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Not sure if anyone does any testing with ESP32; however, I have done a lot with 
the M5Stack.  Very nice unit with enclosure and 2” LCD, 3 buttons, wifi, etc.  
I have purchased and used and sold over 100 units.

They constantly go on back order, etc, so you can be notified via eMail when 
they become available.   They are sold directly from M5 for $28 + shipping.  
Amazon/eBay sells for $43.  Digikey is $28 + import + shipping.

Now the reason for my post….

M5 has the new version…. M5Stack Core2. That is $39.99 from M5 stack, but 
about $55 on ebay or amazon if available.   More features like Bluetooth, touch 
screen, motor, etc.

Amazon strangely had them listed at $26 shipped.   WTF.
So, I purchased several knowing I could return if clones or wrong item.   It 
turns out they are original, so, I bought more, and more, and more, and more.   
Over the last couple of weeks, they post about 5, sell, and then add more to 
inventory.   Now that I have over 40 which I don’t have a use for (yet), I 
thought I would make it public.

I bought the last 7 again yesterday which were just delivered.  So, they should 
be available again in a few days.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RTKTJZB/#ace-7448806443


Michail Wilson
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[neonixie-l] RE: M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

[Michail Wilson]

Not sure if anyone bought them (Core2 units).  I bought and paid for and 
received 126 units over a span of 10 orders.
Amazon/Seller finally figured it out and the price went from $26 to $55.

Hope a few of you got some.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Michail Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 2:33 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

Not sure if anyone does any testing with ESP32; however, I have done a lot with 
the M5Stack.  Very nice unit with enclosure and 2” LCD, 3 buttons, wifi, etc.  
I have purchased and used and sold over 100 units.

They constantly go on back order, etc, so you can be notified via eMail when 
they become available.   They are sold directly from M5 for $28 + shipping.  
Amazon/eBay sells for $43.  Digikey is $28 + import + shipping.

Now the reason for my post….

M5 has the new version…. M5Stack Core2. That is $39.99 from M5 stack, but 
about $55 on ebay or amazon if available.   More features like Bluetooth, touch 
screen, motor, etc.

Amazon strangely had them listed at $26 shipped.   WTF.
So, I purchased several knowing I could return if clones or wrong item.   It 
turns out they are original, so, I bought more, and more, and more, and more.   
Over the last couple of weeks, they post about 5, sell, and then add more to 
inventory.   Now that I have over 40 which I don’t have a use for (yet), I 
thought I would make it public.

I bought the last 7 again yesterday which were just delivered.  So, they should 
be available again in a few days.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RTKTJZB/#ace-7448806443


Michail Wilson
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RE: [neonixie-l] Thanks for the add...and Happy New Year!

[Michail Wilson]

Welcome neighbor.Well, close enough – Everett.

Michail Wilson
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From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ryan B
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 6:22 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Thanks for the add...and Happy New Year!


Hello All!

My name is Ryan, I'm 37, from Spokane, WA, USA. I am a very amateur electronics 
enthusiast. As a kid I liked playing with the Radio Shack 200 in 1 kits but 
after the age of 13 or so my interest waned until about three years ago when I 
thought I was buying some numitron tubes that ended up being VFD tubes. From 
there I saw an analog Nixie clock that someone had made using relays and 
rotating PCBs to indicate the time. I bought a handful of IN-2 tubes because I 
thought they were the smallest and could maybe make a watch from them. Since 
then I have increased my collection to fifty or so tubes. I buy the tubes with 
a project in mind then squirrel them away until I have the rest of the 
components to build them. I use KiCAD for my PCB design.

So far, I have built a couple nixie watch kits from labkit.ru and one VFD watch 
from the same source. I have also built two of Paul Andrews nixie pendants. 
That's pretty much it. Now my girlfriend wants an IN-18 clock for the living 
room so that's on the list as well.

I am currently trying to design a watch using IV-16 numitron tubes and am 
making some necklaces using IN-19 tubes.

Thanks for adding me to the group, I am primarily here to see your projects, 
get a bit of help when I can and hopefully find some tubes I need when I have 
exhausted my sources (or learn of new tube sources when I can!)

Ryan
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RE: [neonixie-l] Would like to contact a group memebr

[Michail Wilson]

Look and see if you have an email from the person through the group messages.

You will see….
“neonixie-l@googlegroups.com; on behalf of; tom kleinschmidt 
”

Just copy their email address out of the from field and email them directly 
instead of to the group.   

Michail Wilson
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From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
tom kleinschmidt
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:38 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Would like to contact a group memebr

HI,

Is there a mechanism to get in contact with a neonnixie-1 group member directly?

-or-

How do I contact this group administrator?

Thanks!

Tom
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[neonixie-l] M5Stack - Amazing cheap unit

[Michail Wilson]

Not sure if anyone does any testing with ESP32; however, I have done a lot with 
the M5Stack.  Very nice unit with enclosure and 2” LCD, 3 buttons, wifi, etc.  
I have purchased and used and sold over 100 units.

They constantly go on back order, etc, so you can be notified via eMail when 
they become available.   They are sold directly from M5 for $28 + shipping.  
Amazon/eBay sells for $43.  Digikey is $28 + import + shipping.

Now the reason for my post….

M5 has the new version…. M5Stack Core2. That is $39.99 from M5 stack, but 
about $55 on ebay or amazon if available.   More features like Bluetooth, touch 
screen, motor, etc.

Amazon strangely had them listed at $26 shipped.   WTF.
So, I purchased several knowing I could return if clones or wrong item.   It 
turns out they are original, so, I bought more, and more, and more, and more.   
Over the last couple of weeks, they post about 5, sell, and then add more to 
inventory.   Now that I have over 40 which I don’t have a use for (yet), I 
thought I would make it public.

I bought the last 7 again yesterday which were just delivered.  So, they should 
be available again in a few days.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RTKTJZB/#ace-7448806443


Michail Wilson
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RE: [neonixie-l] Interesting clock....

[Michail Wilson]

I ordered mine a month ago.
Just checked…
It was in Los Angeles on 12/02/20
Strangely, it then went to Nevada and was there on 12/04/20.

No idea why when I am in Seattle WA and no movement since it went out of it’s 
way to Nevada.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Aiden Fang
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:23 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Interesting clock

I also ordered one. Looks like there is a long waiting list. I was told to wait 
for at least a week before they can ship it.

Will report back if I find anything worth to share.


On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 7:14:14 AM UTC-8 Paul Andrews wrote:
 No, no animations


On Nov 26, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Alex  wrote:

Does this have any sort of animation / effects available as having a split flap 
display font but with no rollover is just tragic!

Seem fairly cheap on aliexpress atm what with black friday and all that 
entails...

On Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 12:10:47 UTC Richard Scales wrote:
Oh well, it seems that I had better unpack mine which has been under the bench 
for a few weeks!

On Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 11:41:04 UTC Paul Andrews wrote:
@Nick, Sorry, I have no idea what the lifetime on the displays would be

@Nisei, The web page I link to shows you how to upload your own graphics, 
though I haven’t tried to yet.


On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Nisei 
mailto:w...@kitsunegari.net>> wrote:

Thanks Paul
You’re saying there are at least 10 different clock faces to install in 
addition to what’s pre-installed.
But I assume the software also let’s you use your own graphics I right?
I’ll never even consider buying this if I can’t customize it myself.

From: neoni...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Paul 
Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:21 PM
To: neonixie-l mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Interesting clock

I just got mine. I really like this. Unlike the Gixie clock, I am not feeling 
tempted to turn it into an actual Nixie clock. The software to modify the 
display font is available here. - 
Google translate is your friend. There are at least 10 different clock faces 
you can upload, in addition to what is pre-installed. e.g.:


On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:27:32 AM UTC-5 
w...@kitsunegari.net wrote:
Been looking at this one for quite some time.
I love that it gives you the option to put custom graphics on it.
But I can find so little information about it and really would like to hear 
from people who've had it for a while to see if it's worth getting it.
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:24:44 AM UTC+1 Paul Atkin wrote:
Question to Jeff Walton - Can you share which forums also commented on this 
clock.  I am interested to buy but would like to be sure before jumping in.
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:33:54 AM UTC+9 Jeff Walton wrote:
I had to return this clock due to software and hardware issues.  It is a cool 
concept but needs more QC work before jumping in.  The IPS display is fairly 
convincing and has promise.  Others on different forum have had mixed results 
with the current implementation of this clock.






 Original message 
From: Terry S mailto:tschw...@gmail.com>>
Date: 11/17/20 6:11 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: neonixie-l mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [neonixie-l] Interesting clock

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EleksTube-IPS-10-Bit-RGB-Nixie-Tube-DIY-Electronic-Digital-LED-Glows-Desk-Clock/333792776347?hash=item4db799909b:g:KtoAAOSwU1dfVeNw
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RE: [neonixie-l] Surplus panaplex displays

[Michail Wilson]

I wouldn’t mind getting SP-101 units.  I would like to get them in quantities 
of 8, but would rather get all 60 units.   Please let me know how much you 
would take.

Someone was selling the SP-352 new for $10 each.  I bought 48 of those from 
him.  I can only guess the price would be around that since the units you have 
are bigger although only single Digit.  Again, I have no idea.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Bill van Dijk
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:37 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] Surplus panaplex displays

As an ongoing part of my effort to rationalize my parts inventory with the 
likelihood of becoming an actual project, I have a bunch of Panaplex displays 
up for grabs. Here is the list:

>From left to right:
Babcock SP-101 (large single digit) 60 units, used
Babcock SP-352 (smaller dual digit) 28 units, used
Sperry SP-736 (small 2 digit) 6 units, NOS
Sperry SP-735 (+, -, 1, and a single digit) 12 units, NOS
Sperry SP-333 (three small digits) 1 unit, NOS

The used units have some glue on the glass where there was a strip of paper 
glued on to hide the bottom part of the display. Any units that had any visible 
signs of silvering on the glass have already been discarded. I have not tested 
any of them. I would like to sell them all as one lot.

I have no idea what a fair price would be, so anyone who is interested please 
send me a PM with your offer. I will wait until Dec. 15 to decide. Please note 
you bid is for the parts described, shipping will be extra, to be determined 
when I know the destination (at cost).

Give yourself a Christmas present! ☺

Thanks, Bill van Dijk

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971

[Michail Wilson]

My two cents….

I purchased all mine via ebay.
Many good and some I was scammed.

The best batch I got was wrapped in old newspapers dated back to 1968.  Seller 
poorly packaged and several broke.   I opened the box on video camera cause I 
could hear the broken glass as soon as I received the box.  He refunded me for 
the broken ones.  I still have many of the newspaper pages.  29cent burger or 
39cent cheeseburger, etc.

In all, I got over 100 from auctions over a 5+ year span.   Made clocks, 
traded, and sold most back on ebay.

My guess is that I paid an average of not much under $100 each.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
gregebert
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 1:46 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971

Did anyone in this forum get their 7971's from PolyPaks a long time ago 
(1970s/1980s) ? I recall they were inexpensive, and many were sold in pairs 
along with the socket/driver board after being scrapped from Lectrascan units.

Just curious how some of you acquired a large stash.
On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Pramanicin wrote:
They're currently going for anywhere from 160 to 200 dollars on eBay. Pictures 
of them being tested will help. Too rich for my blood at the moment, but I have 
enough of them already :)

Best of luck selling them!

Cheers

Nick
Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 3, 2020, at 10:32, Wo Tu  wrote:
I‘ve built 2 clocks using B7971. But now I dont have space for more.

gregebert schrieb am Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 um 19:26:41 UTC+1:
If you dont already have a clock or other device with 7971's, I suggest you 
make one. Even though these tubes are a bit ugly, they are so enormous and 
versatile that you will be pleased with it. And keep a few spares. I built an 
8-tube clock with 7971's a few years ago and I still like it, and wish I had 
time to add more features via software (it's RasPi based, so I'm limited only 
by time and creativity).

If you decide to sell, I've seen a lot of these being sold on Ebay for well 
over 100 USD, especially if you can show they are tested. You probably already 
have several messages from other neonixie members who want to buy some.

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 10:11:26 AM UTC-8 Wo Tu wrote:
I sorted out my collection of tubes and was surprised , how much B7971 I own.
Would like to sell some of these tubes. What do you think is a fair price for 
one tube , or for six tubes ?

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[neonixie-l] Lectrascan Unit

[Michail Wilson]

Anyone have a clue of the value (if any) of a Lectrascan Unit?
No tubes and likely no driver boards.
I don’t think there is any power supply or controller.

Just the frame and plastic face.(Maybe some driver boards)

Michail Wilson

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