Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
garym wrote:
My wife loves the controller. we have two in use and I have a 3rd in a
box. Never noticed the battery issue, but both are always sitting in
charging cradle, and only briefly removed to select something or change
volume.
My wife also loves the SBC, and only ever uses it or the Touch's
touchscreen to control our SBs. Even though she was the first in the
family to have an iThing. Our SBCs are rarely out of their cradles for
very long, and because of the slow-to-wake-up syndrome I've gravitated
toward using my iPad or iPod touch when listening on our deck or on the
sofa of our living room. And speaking of battery drain, the iPod touch's
goes down pretty damn fast when the wifi is turned on.
Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it. 'MSI single-core Atom
mini-desktop'
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032)
('Debian' (http://www.debian.org/) Squeeze 6.0.x) feeding: Living room:
'SB Touch'
(http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/logitech_squeezebox_touch_network_music_player/index.html)
'Emotiva XDA-1'
(https://web.archive.org/web/20101123182040/http://emotiva.com/xda1.shtm)
'NAD C325 BEE'
(http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier)
'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html);
Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
2 pair of 'Polk RC60i'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement:
'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
'JVC JA-S44'
(http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813) 'ESS
Tempest LS8'
(http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/);
Bedroom: 'SB Radio'
(http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-audio-receivers-dars/logitech-squeezebox-radio-black/4505-6470_7-33770452.html);
Study: 'Squeezelite local player'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97046-Announce-Squeezelite-a-small-headless-squeezeplay-emulator-for-linux-(alsa-only)highlight=squeezelite)
'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0'
(http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-ultra-2-0-computer-speaker-system);
Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver) 'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
'Polk Atrium 45'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's
bedroom: 'Boom'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Boom); Roaming
controllers: Retina iPad with Squeezepad iPeng, iPod touch with iPeng,
3 'SB Duet Controllers'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/)
and one more 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver)
http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
pablolie wrote: Given the fact we now probably rather control our music from a smartphone or tablet app, the Controller now seems a droll anachronism. :-) True in many cases, I'm sure. But a big plus of the SBC is that it's usually where you need it and turned on. With smartphones and tablets too often someone has taken it to surf the web or (gasp) make a phone call. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
garym wrote:
I purchased a new duet shortly after they were released. Set it up
initially and ran it for a few years and never had a single issue with
receiver or controller (other than sometimes fuzzy artwork). Never so
much as a reset. But like you, it was always connected via ethernet.
Sold the duet receiver after acquiring several TOUCH units, but still
use the CONTROLLER.
My Duets have also served me well. I received 3 SBCs and 2 SBRs through
the beta program. Two of the SBCs succumbed to the UUID issues that
occurred in some of the early beta units, and Logitech graciously
replaced those with production models that are still going. The ethernet
port failed on my original SBR (also an early beta model), and Logitech
replaced that -- I still have both.
I think the big issue with the Duet was in the setup (or re-setup). The
procedure is a little convoluted to begin with, and even if you follow
the instructions to the letter there still seems to be a random element
of what will it do this time? They have worked for me because (a) I
haven't needed to change the setup much and the network is sold, and (b)
when I do need to change the setup on the one with working ethernet
(last time was 2010, I think) I use Net::UDAP instead of faffing about
with the usual setup procedure.
Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it. 'MSI single-core Atom
mini-desktop'
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032)
('Debian' (http://www.debian.org/) Squeeze 6.0.x) feeding: Living room:
'SB Touch'
(http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/logitech_squeezebox_touch_network_music_player/index.html)
'Emotiva XDA-1'
(https://web.archive.org/web/20101123182040/http://emotiva.com/xda1.shtm)
'NAD C325 BEE'
(http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier)
'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html);
Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
2 pair of 'Polk RC60i'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement:
'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
'JVC JA-S44'
(http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813) 'ESS
Tempest LS8'
(http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/);
Bedroom: 'SB Radio'
(http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-audio-receivers-dars/logitech-squeezebox-radio-black/4505-6470_7-33770452.html);
Study: 'Squeezelite local player'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97046-Announce-Squeezelite-a-small-headless-squeezeplay-emulator-for-linux-(alsa-only)highlight=squeezelite)
'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0'
(http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-ultra-2-0-computer-speaker-system);
Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver) 'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
'Polk Atrium 45'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's
bedroom: 'Boom'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Boom); Roaming
controllers: Retina iPad with Squeezepad iPeng, iPod touch with iPeng,
3 'SB Duet Controllers'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/)
and one more 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver)
http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another interesting read - this time about speaker development.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech and Squeezebox
captain-insano wrote: No you were fucking wrong Stratmangler wrote: It's taken you over seven years to get around to responding - well done! Witty responses like that take time to formulate. But it took only two minutes more to go back and edit something in the original post. Hmm. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
mlsstl wrote: I didn't mean to diss Sonos, but they are a pre-existing product from a private company that has had the good fortune to not get sold to a number-crunching mass marketer. I strongly suspect that if Logitech had acquired Sonos, they would have met a fate similar to Squeezebox. Other than high-end manufacturers taking the occasional stab at an overpriced player with a host of limitations, there doesn't seem to be too much new activity in the player world. That was the basis of my comment about the state of things for music-only players. Thanks for the fuller explanation. I agree with you point by point, especially the one that Logitech could have sentenced Sonos to death-by-incompetent-acquisition as easily as it knocked off SB. The only other thing I'd add in the way of music-only players is the surge of AirPlay enabled equipment. Which could be characterized as mass market manufacturers making stabs at competitively priced players with a host of limitations, which will probably turn out to be good bets for a lot of them. Good financial bets that is -- not anything to do with the audiophile forum. ;-) aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
mlsstl wrote: It is a pity that Logitech abandoned the Touch Transporter, but apparently that is the state of affairs these days for music-only players. There is currently no alternative that is as good. I'm looking forward to my system to continue running for many years to come. It is a pity indeed, but it depends on what you mean by that being the state of affairs for music-only players. Logitech didn't know how to sell Squeezeboxes. On the other hand, Sonos appears to be doing rather well. I'm not saying that Sonos is as good as Squeezebox, because in my opinion it isn't. But for a large chunk of users the weaknesses of Sonos (eg, lack of extensibility, constraints on library size) are non-issues. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
bonze wrote: And both seemingly misunderstanding how a Squeezebox setup actually works. Or even grokked the more general difference between a network music _server_ (eg, LMS) and a network music _player_ (eg, Squeezeplay on a laptop) aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
Quad wrote: The initial post asked about any experience with that tool in a slimdevices setup. That's what I answered to by giving some details in which context my experience took place. What's wrong with that? But of course fair reactions were beyond hope. :-) Nothing's wrong with that, just not particularly germane when it's obvious from subsequent posts that Deaf Cat was talking about using Audiophile Optimizer to tweak a server computer that is streaming to physical Squeezeboxes (SB2 and a Touch). I suppose you should get credit for presenting the very different use case of laptop as network player, a case in which the AO software could actually make a conceivable difference. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
garym wrote: I think sonore has been building these for several years, well before Touch was discontinued. Basically an audiophile vortexbox. No, this one is the audiophile Touch, or because it has no display, maybe more accurately the audiophile Duet Receiver. The audiophile vortexbox is a different product, costing US$2500 and up http://www.sonore.us/SOtM2.html#2. Although I guess that one is a Receiver and a VB appliance in the same box. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
ralphpnj wrote: Please excuse my ignorance but what is CSOS? Community Squeeze Operating System See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1 aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone used this... AudiophileOptimizer
I didn't wade through the whole advert, but in my opinion there is no reason to use this with a SB system. The boogeyman jitter is not going to insert itself between the server running LMS and the Squeezebox that is connected to the audio setup. That trip from the server to the SB is made asynchronously over ethernet or wifi, for which timing errors (ie, jitter) are not an issue, unless you include as timing the extreme case of dropouts because the data can't be supplied fast enough. If one connects their computer directly to their audio system then there -might- be a rationale for such a product. Mind you, there are some who contend that jitter is even an issue over TCP/IP networks, but I'll let them explain to you how that supposedly works. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100440 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is your personal philosophy as an audiophile?
If cost is a big consideration then go ahead and use your Win8 laptop or an old, re-purposed computer you may have lying around like you did before. You already have the Squeezeboxes, right? So the financial cost can be as low as zero. Ripping and tagging CDs does take time. But once you start getting into accessing your entire music library via a remote, playing your favorite mixes of albums or tracks, you'll appreciate it. There are services that will do ripping and tagging for you, but again, at a cost. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is your personal philosophy as an audiophile?
satkinsn wrote: The SB3 is exclusively a radio tuner for me, and my big project needs to be moving all the shiny spinning discs I think I'll want to hear over the next 20 years to some sort of server - but I'm torn because of the abundace of options: I ran Vortexbox for a year or so and liked it, but thought the tagging was weak. I could run a Win 8 box with JRiver and dbPowerAmp, both of which I own, but Windows is fussy. Or I could use a Mac, but that means buying further into the Apple eco-system, maybe, than I want. As a Linux guy, I'm inclined to go the V'box route and build a player or two using a Pi or one of the other boards, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I want to work that hard. If you don't like the tagging that comes with Vortexbox, but you're comfortable with it as a music server, why not do your ripping and initial tagging with dBpoweramp in Windows and then just serve it up from another computer running Vortexbox? Imo, any fussiness of Windows is completely over-ridden by the ease of ripping and getting the initial tagging right using dBpoweramp. Then you can finetune your tags either with mp3tag in Windows or puddletag in Linux. Squeezeboxes will delight you more and more once you get those shiny spinning discs on to a music server. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is your personal philosophy as an audiophile?
For the server hardware, there are plenty of quiet, low energy
consumption x86 boxes available. I have one based on an Intel Atom CPU
-- it's not silent, because it has a fan, but it's quiet and it's
located well outside my listening areas. Running full tilt it draws 23w,
and using power management software to put it into suspend takes it down
to 2w when not serving music. It cost around $275 several years ago. Go
to newegg.com and search on barebones systems and look at the offerings
from Foxconn, Shuttle, and similar manufacturers. If you're not in the
US there is probably something similar where you are.
Moving files over the network as you rip batches of CDs is easy. A Win 8
laptop is often not the ideal system for serving music, because you're
rebooting for the weekly Windows security updates, or maybe you'll take
it somewhere, etc. As for ruining the internal drive, how many disks are
you talking about? I've done a few hundred on a laptop drive with no
signs of degradation of the drive. If you have thousands of CDs that
could be more problematic, so external CD drives start to make sense.
Of course, ripping and tagging is an investment of time, so make one or
more backup copies of your music library on USB external drive(s), and
keep at least one off-site, rotating it in for backups on a regular
basis.
Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it, and it's '100% wind
powered' (http://www.cleancurrents.com/). 'MSI single-core Atom
mini-desktop'
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032)
('Debian' (http://www.debian.org/) Squeeze 6.0.x) feeding: Living room:
'SB Touch'
(http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/logitech_squeezebox_touch_network_music_player/index.html)
'NAD C325 BEE'
(http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier)
'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html);
Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
2 pair of 'Polk RC60i'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement:
'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
'JVC JA-S44'
(http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813) 'ESS
Tempest LS8'
(http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/);
Bedroom: 'SB Radio'
(http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-audio-receivers-dars/logitech-squeezebox-radio-black/4505-6470_7-33770452.html);
Study: 'Squeezelite local player'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97046-Announce-Squeezelite-a-small-headless-squeezeplay-emulator-for-linux-(alsa-only)highlight=squeezelite)
'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0'
(http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-ultra-2-0-computer-speaker-system);
Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver) 'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
'Polk Atrium 45'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's
bedroom: 'Boom'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Boom); Roaming
controllers: Retina iPad with Squeezepad iPeng, iPod touch with iPeng,
3 'SB Duet Controllers'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/)
and one more 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver)
http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...
Actually the SB Receiver (the player part of the Duet) is not the same as an SB3. Most of all it has a different DAC, and there are other differences as well (no headphone port, no IR receiver, etc). See http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison But whether it measures, or sounds, differently or not is an empirical question. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do all lossless file types sound the same? (MEASUREMENTS)
Why is there any expectation bias because you know that A and B are different? That they are different is a given in ABX testing, so that expectation is always correct. The task is to determine whether X is A or B, and whether X is A or B is completely random. ABX is very simple. Listen to A, then listen to B, knowing that it is different from A. Then listen to X and choose whether it is A or B. Repeat N times, with X being randomly A or B each time. Choose correctly a high enough percentage of the time and you can be confident that you didn't choose correctly merely by guessing. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98828 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do all lossless file types sound the same? (MEASUREMENTS)
JerryS wrote: I don't want to turn this into an argument because I just don't know enough about it. My point is that if the brain knows that A and B are different file types then it is going to be working pretty hard to detect audible differences. If it finds such differences then it is easier to discern them in X because the brain now knows where to listen for them (different phrases, difference notes, different instruments etc). If on the other hand the first two plays in triangle testing are from the same file, then the brain has not prelearnt the cues to pick up the differences on the third play. It would not be surprising if the sensitivity and specificity of ABX and triangle testing are different because of this prelearning. I think that pre-learning often takes place long before anyone sits down to a particular ABX, triangle, or any other type of comparative listening session. Indeed, there are people who consciously train themselves to identify the differences in lossless versus lossy, and even more casual comparative listeners learn to pick out certain instruments that reveal differences. And it seems there are a few who train themselves in identifying the differences between lossless and lossless (misguided in my opinion, but that's just my opinion). I don't see why having those cues about where the listener _thinks_ they hear a difference between A and B is a bad thing at all. It most certainly does not bias the test results. Keep in mind that often there are differences that exist but that listeners cannot hear (see Archimago's recent thread and blog on comparing lossless and lossy). If they really can hear a difference, then that will be borne out in their assignments of X to A or B. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98828 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do all lossless file types sound the same? (MEASUREMENTS)
JerryS wrote: Well, good place to leave it I think? I can't think of an easy way of demonstrating whether the two methods do or do not give identical results and I am not convinced that you have demonstrated that they theoreticaly should give the same results. Doesn't matter that much anyway, given my cloth ears 8-) Sure, we can leave it there as far as I'm concerned. I would not claim that they give identical results, because the testing methods are different. Maybe there are times when the triangle method is more appropriate than ABX. But I think for the cases in which the basic premise is that there is something different (different codecs, different cables, what have you), then ABX is perfectly appropriate. And, ABX is easier to implement for comparisons of different codecs on the same hardware, especially with the ABX component in foobar2000. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98828 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do all lossless file types sound the same? (MEASUREMENTS)
JerryS wrote: Lots of references to ABX testing in this forum. Is there any theoretical reason why this should be more robust than triangle testing? I'd be interested to see the science behind it, because there is a subtle difference in the methodology. But either way you're picking the odd one out. The only difference with ABX is that the randomness is limited to third sample (X). You're always getting either ABA or ABB. To turn the tables, why should the possibility of getting BBA or AAB make more sense intuitively? Note also that in terms of identifying the different one (or the matching one), the triangle's BAA and BAB are equivalent to ABX's ABB and ABA, respectively. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98828 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Connected Acoustic SRI amplifier - Equalization possibilities
Welcome. I think you're likely to get a better response in the DIY forum than in the Audiophile forum, as many (but not all) audiophiles do not believe in EQ. Or they don't believe in packages such as the SB Receiver-plus-SRi-amp. Unless you are really interested in doing this kind of surgery on your SB-plus-SRi kit, I would recommend you start over and get a standard SB. It could be another Duet Receiver, or a Touch, or a Classic, or whatever. Anything that does not have a built-in amp. Then simply buy a separate hardware equalizer or equalizer/pre-amp and plug it into a separate amp. If you really want to get elbow-deep in the entrails of the beast, I don't have the technical expertise to help you, but good luck! aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Julf wrote: Just curious, did you set up a proper double-blind ABX test? SoftwireEngineer wrote: No, I have no interest in convincing anybody of anything. I think I have the lowest priced system of all the posters in this thread (but believe the performance of my system is way high and I attribute it to my pairing it with proper accessories and tweaks ). I am all about price-performance. I will try anything if it is cost-effective. Interesting point of view. I also value price-performance, which is exactly why I prefer to do blind testing as much as is practically possible if only to convince _myself_. Even if you don't go the DBT whole nine yards it is often easy to do a less rigorous, but still revealing, single blind test. Many of the differences I am sure I that I can detect when I know what I am listening to (or tasting, in the case of wines and single malts) either disappear or become a lot more subtle when I don't have the visual/mental cues. On the other hand, in day to day usage the visual/mental cues are still there, and there are many people who are unbothered in taking that into account when evaluating sound quality or price-performance. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
guidof wrote: That great wine sure tastes not so great out of a styrofoam cup . . . Agree 100%. Though it may still taste better than a crummy wine out of a styrofoam cup. Empirical question, more research needed aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Turntable use with Transporter
Maybe I'm not thinking creatively enough, or am taking the easy way out, but it sounds to me that your best solution would be adding a pre-amp, ideally one with a phono input (and corresponding phono pre). aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97654 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ** High Bit-Rate MP3 Test Up! **
Stratmangler wrote: Get one of these and you don't need a DAC with a USB connection. They also do a version with a BNC connector. Good idea. Then I would only need a new amp/pre with a SPDIF or BNC connector I'm just trying to do a good ABX on my existing system here. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ** High Bit-Rate MP3 Test Up! **
garym wrote: ABX Component for Foobar2000 can automate ABX comparisons. Sorry for straying off-topic, but I have a question about foobar2000's ABX. It works great, but only for doing ABX using the computer running foobar2k, which isn't a great help when I want to compare on a decent hifi system. Using a pedestrian Y-adapter from the computer's sound card to the preamp puts the comparison at the mercy of the computer's sound card, which is not a pretty picture, at least with my current laptops. And I haven't made the leap to an external DAC that would work off a computer's USB port. Does anyone have a good setup they can recommend for using foobar's ABX on a real sound system? aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ** High Bit-Rate MP3 Test Up! **
Quad wrote: What slightly disqualifiy these results are statements like this: -extremely high degree of statistical confidence barely statistically significant difference- Statistical significance is a zero/one decision. Either it is significant or it is not. You can't tell anything more. Disclaimer: I don't claim to hear a difference between MP3 320kbps and FLAC and I'm looking forward to Archimago's Musings. garym wrote: Well, I understand your point, but I respectfully disagree. Without digging two deeply into experimental design, in my own field we tend to look at statistical tests of hypotheses and consider things like parameter estimates from something like an OLS regression equation or ANOVA, etc. and we want to know the p-value associated with the parameter estimate rather than only whether the estimate is either significant or not based on the pre-planned significance level cutoff.snip Exactly. Statistical significance is only significant or not with respect to a particular (and generally arbitrary) cutoff value such as 0.01, 0.05, etc. The relevant underlying statistic, the p-value, is continuous, not binary. So there is nothing wrong with the extremely high degree or barely significant statements. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0.Radiostation trouble
This is a well-known issue. The problem lies with the combination of TT3.0 and transmissions of some internet radio stations. For example of past discussions, see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95144-Radio-Apps-Sound-Like-Chipmunks aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97512 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0.Radiostation trouble
I think post #6 in the link I gave pretty much sums it up. As far as I know it's only an issue with low sample rate material. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97512 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: The fatigue I refer to is digital fatigue. Only the absence can be appreciated, so unless members actually listen to the units discussed here, then ignorance will indeed be bliss. A true shame, but I hope we have a silent majority here. My spending priorities consign me to the blissfully ignorant and I have no problem with that, but I have to call BS on the term digital fatigue because it is meaningless. Maybe the recording is bad or the DA conversion is bad or the speakers are bad or the room is bad or as bhaagensen notes it's just too f'ing loud for too long. But unless you're talking about tired fingers, it isn't digital fatigue. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?
toby10 wrote: I think you would be hard pressed to hear any difference between the SB3 and Receiver, pretty much same audio architecture. The SB3 display can be completely dimmed (set to OFF while playing) if you honestly feel it hampers audio quality. Agree 100%. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?
There was a fair bit of discussion after the Touch's release (and even before release once the secret was out and beta testers could discuss it on the forums) about the comparative quality of the SB3/Classic digital outs and the Touch's. A lot of people, including some whose opinions I respect a great deal, concluded that the Touch's digital outs are better than the SB3's. You're right that the SB's DAC doesn't enter into the picture, but the explanation given was that the Touch has a cleaner (I think that was the main operative word) signal path from data input to digital output. Whether you can hear that difference with your ears and your music on your system in your listening room is a separate question. To put it in terms of the question in the thread title, I suspect that for most people it would not make much difference. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Surge protector question
toby10 wrote: Monster brand anything is generally considered over hyped over priced. +1 Monster also has a history of overly-aggressive and anti-competitive business practices, such as this attempt to intimidate Blue Jeans Cable (which I happen to think is a very respectable brand, unlike Monster): http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/blue-jeans-strikes-back aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..
jh901 wrote: The conclusion you guys are making seems to be that all gear sounds the same. You really believe that? I don't think anyone has made that hyperbolic conclusion except you. I think any of us would agree that some components or systems sound better than others, and that some have a sound that we prefer even if one doesn't claim it is better. The conclusion from the first link in the OP and much of the subsequent comments is that some reported differences are based not at all on the actual sound, but on other information, such as the brand, model, or price tag of the components in question. This is not breaking news, but it still astounds me how many people will not consider that these non-auditory factors may play a role in their auditory perceptions. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..
SBGK wrote: I have never used blind testing because I believe humans are best suited to A/B testing How's that? Given that blind testing is typically A/B done by humans aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Repair for Dead Transporter
amcluesent wrote: Very poor, I suppose that level of 'service' is OK when you're churning out mice and and keyboards. At least with the real hi-fi suppliers like Linn, McIntosh, Naim etc. you're not left high and dry. And another reason why Logitech will not be selling anything remotely resembling the Transporter after they've exhausted their current stock of components. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
Usually barebones units come with the drive cables you need, and it appears that this one does, too. Did you take a look at the manual on the website you linked to: http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/85-874999/873301-an-01-en-FOXCONN_BAREBONE_R10_D4_ATOM_D525.pdf I recommend 2GB RAM. You won't need all that if you're only running LMS, but at current prices there really isn't any reason to be stingy and go for 1GB. Installation of the OS can be done from a USB stick for most Linux distros. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
pkfox wrote: Hi Aubuti, do you have one of these units ? They do look appealing but the graphics capability would be wasted with my setup. No, I don't. I keep my server well away from the listening room, so a fanless unit was overkill for me. I bought a barebones Atom-based system (see link in sig below), and after adding RAM and hard disk it cost a lot less than the Fit-PC. At least one person frequenting these forums has a Fit-PC2 (maybe RonM?) and loves it. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
reasonably priced is a pretty vague term, but as we're in the Audiophiles forum I'll assume you mean expensive :-) If you want quiet, capable, and convenient you probably can't do better than the Fit-PC line (www.fit-pc.com/web/). The Fit-PC computers are also ridiculously small. They take 2.5 hard drives, which are also a lot quieter than their 3.5 counterparts. Or if you have the budget, get an SSD. And in the grand scheme of things, the Fit-PC is not absurdly expensive. It's more than many other alternatives, but it is quite reasonable for what it is. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Jeff Flowerday wrote: If you don't initiate a WOL event to a sleeping server, you do get the blackest blacks you could ever imagine. Try it! Love it! I tried it and it really does take the noise floor down to almost imperceptible levels. ;-) aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
LarsHP wrote: Let's assume, that jitter does play a role in digital audio. Well it definitely does not play a role in the transmission of the data via ethernet (or wifi) between the pc/NAS and the SB. TCP/IP has no timing beyond making sure that enough data gets to the SB on time to avoid dropouts (and keeping in mind the Touch's reasonably large buffer). If you want to assume that jitter plays a role in TCP/IP then you won't have a fact-based discussion. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
darrell wrote: If I were starting from scratch, I'd get the mini-pc and a large USB disk, and forget about the NAS. I agree completely. You can get a lot more processing power per dollar (or pound or euro) with a small form factor pc than with a NAS. The pc also tends to be more flexible when it comes to choosing OS, changing hardware, etc. In addition, you often get better power management with a pc, so that even if the pc draws more watts than the NAS (and that is an _if_ because some NASs are power hungry), the total power consumption can be less by using suspend/hibernate/shutdown and wake-on-LAN. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
LarsHP wrote: As I said - I am no computer engineer, but my statement was regarding timing in the digital domain in general, not certain parts of the digital domain. Then I really don't understand why you specified a certain part of the digital domain, i.e., -From my point of view a difference (if any) regarding jitter using a NAS vs. a PC would be that the CPU speed and perhaps RAM speed of the PC is higher and thus timing of the data stream could be more precise.- Jitter downstream exists, though whether it is audible to humans (using modern equipment) is a matter of debate. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How old are these audiophile reviewers???
mlsstl wrote: One can leaf through the Playboy and Esquire magazines of that period, or watch how movies TV presented trendy young men, and get a pretty good idea that good hi-fi systems were hot stuff. Playboy had pictures and/or articles about hi-fi systems?? Can't say I ever noticed them aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94485 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
Willakan wrote: Agreed, but I still don't see why more emphasis wasn't placed on discussion of the test conditions from the get-go, to establish whether it could be classed as meaningful and/or to attempt to reproduce it. NoRoDa has provided a lot of the details of test conditions in various posts in this thread and the thread to which he linked when starting this thread. Btw, it is easy to find those posts by clicking on the link that shows NoRoDa's username, and then choosing View Forum Posts. Also don't forget to see the ancillary material by member baardbaard, who was also involved in the tests. Perhaps most important, NoRoDa has already said that the test ...wasn't double blind or very scientific in any way..., which may be why more details were neither offered or requested by other forum members. But now that you're a part of the discussion, feel free to ask about details that haven't been included yet. My take-away from NoRoDa's disclaimer is that that time would be better spent trying to improve the protocol rather than trying to reproduce it. Having two SB Touch players to test side-by-side seems to be a critical improvement over (almost?) every other comparison that has been posted on this topic in this forum, which generally compare the same Touch before/after mods. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
The OP has already stated that it was not terribly rigorous (see post #1943 in the thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?91322-soundcheck-s-Touch-Toolbox-3-0/page195). But if you're going to blame the test procedure when someone at least actually bothered to try (single) blind testing, what on earth do you make of the endless claims of staggering, night and day, or not subtle that the proponents keep making based on non-blinded testing? aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
ralphpnj wrote: Simple: I believe that all those claims are completely worthless. Well not really completely worthless since when these claims are make by a reviewer in one of the high end audio magazines the claims then can be made into great quotes by equipment manufacturers. Obviously. I was directing the question to the person who suddenly chose to single out as flawed one of the few test cases in which someone at least considered expectations bias and made a modest attempt to account for it. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
ralphpnj wrote: Yes I fully understood that to be how you meant your post, however I rarely miss a chance to bash the high end audio press :) Ok, glad I could help with teeing that one up for you :-) aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
TheOctavist wrote: you wont find anything statistically relevant. ever. NSS. It's called calling his bluff. Maybe too subtle, but at least soulkeeper and mcr got it. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
TheOctavist wrote: I have done this often to bands I record(or to myself). I do a take, and hit a switch on , say an eq only to hear damn that was good ...but I hadn't engaged anything at all, but put it from OFF into bypass mode. . I do this with bands too. ill say im going to change this compressor a bit and without doing anything, I replay the take, they go damn brah, that sounds much better Thanks, and I personally don't find that surprising. But I really was looking for some of the purported well documented cases where sufficiently large population of double blind testers were reporting significant differences, which I also interpreted (perhaps foolishly) the 'significant differences' to be the statistically-relevant kind. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
magiccarpetride wrote: There are well documented cases where sufficiently large population of double blind testers were reporting significant differences in the sound quality while in reality the experimenters were merely playing an identical configuration over and over and over. Please, name at least one such study. I would be interested to see what the variables were, and if there were no variables (eg, everything constant except the listeners' psyches), how they did the statistics. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;698976 Wrote: so maybe you need to have a triple blind test which include these settings. Of course, that's what all the naysayers have been missing. To really detect the effects of these revolutionary mods one needs an equally revolutionary test method: triple blind. Please, do tell exactly how that works -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi Res
Archimago;697475 Wrote: Realize that a lot of this depends on the hardware you're running the server off of. In my case, it's a Core 2 Quad at 2.4GHz. I believe the speed of Browse Music Folder also depends on the number of items in each directory. For a given library, a very flat structure of Albums/Tracks will generally take longer to load than a more hierarchical structure such as Artist/Album/Tracks or [first letter of artist name]/Artist/Album/Tracks. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94261 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi Res
Archimago;697537 Wrote: Mine is a very flat structure. Album/tracks, and if lots of albums for a particular artist - artist/album/tracks. Seems vey fast with the Windows build of LMS! And this is with the music all on WD Green 2TB drives, so not speed daemon HD's... I wonder if the OP is running LMS off a NAS which may be underpowered for a large library. Fair enough, although that's not to say it wouldn't be faster if your organization were deeper instead of flatter. But if it works, don't mess with it. ;-) You're also right that running an underpowered NAS on a large library could be responsible for the OP's symptoms. In fact, it could also happen if LMS is running on a decent pc but the library is on a NAS (network latency). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94261 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
darrenyeats;695950 Wrote: About your comment about the integrity of the digital data - I agree but you mention it for ethernet and of course the comment applies equally to wifi. The question about wifi AND ethernet is about noise which might affect the player, not data. Point taken. Although actually, for some of the fringe on this forum the question is also about how the noise will affect the data over ethernet. Personally, considering the distance, floors, walls, switches, etc that come between the computer and the SBs, I'll take my chances on an electrically noisy computer affecting either the data or the player. :-) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
stop-spinning;695800 Wrote: Yes but there's RFI everywhere - one more wireless connection won't make a difference surely? Anyway - whats the lesser of two evils - directly connected to an electrically noisy computer - or RFI (which is all around us anyway)? Yes there's RFI everywhere, but some believe that the RFI is more damaging to SQ if one of the RFI sources (the Touch's antenna) is inside the same little box as the DAC, CPU, etc. Inverse square law and all that. As for directly connected to an electrically noisy computer, well, that shouldn't affect the integrity of the digital data that gets sent down the ethernet cable. Reasonable (and unreasonable) people differ on whether either of those matter. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] downsampling on SB3 to wav
th00ht;695849 Wrote: hi JJZolx, I have seen reports that the SB is very well capable of playing 96 material. Touch and Transporter, yes. All other SB models, no. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94126 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690607 Wrote: It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: The applet only supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting Touch. The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which really makes the difference. I don't think Triode, or anyone else, ever said that they tested TT-mods (although it may be possible to incorporate some in the future). But are you saying that the only mods that could possibly make a difference or be of any interest are those in TT? That there isn't anything else out there that could make a difference? Wow. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690872 Wrote: I didn't say anything like that. Read again! That's one of the problems in this forum btw. Some people seem to read hastily and answer to posts, without understanding them, or they turn around statements anyway they want, just to make them fit their own bill... Sorry for taking it the wrong way. But in response to Octavist's suggestion that people try out triode's ABX, 'you responded' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=690607#post690607) only wrt the TT mods, which was never part of Octavist's suggestion. So yes, some people seem to read too hastily -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Munroe;690155 Wrote: Apparently, no one purchasing the Touch uses the unit self contained, so many conversations turn to arguing results in conjunction with this DAC or that DAC, which is hard to filter through any information of value regarding the analog outs (which would be of some value as you have a constant to go up against).. I think the only way one could conclude that ...no one purchasing the Touch uses the unit self contained... would be by reading a very very small and unrepresentative subset of the threads on this forum. A _lot_ of people use the Touch's analog outs, albeit that percentage is a lot smaller in the audiophile forum. Look outside this thread and you'll see a lot of discussion of the analog outs on the Touch. I don't have an external DAC -- I've been toying with the idea but I think upgrading speakers and amp may make more sense for my next upgrade. I've tried the TT 2.0 mods and concluded that just maybe they made some difference to the sound. But it was so inconclusive that when the next Touch firmware upgrade wiped out the TT mods I frankly couldn't be bothered to do them again. And yes, I understand it's only a simple 10-15 minute operation. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Finished with Pandora?
mashley;689831 Wrote: How many people have gotten fed up with Pandora waiting for them to get their act together for streaming to us at a higher bitrate to our devices, and have now moved on to another music source. I still use Pandora a little because they still give me what they originally promised me many years ago: music that they choose based on my thumbs up/down. At 128kbps. For free. Or rather for the price of hearing adverts now and again. For slightly higher quality (192kbps) and on-demand music selection I use Rhapsody. At the special $5/mo rate it's only a little more expensive than Pandora One, but it's so much more useful to me because I select what I play. When the rate goes up to $10/mo I'll have to choose between staying with Rhapsody, switching to MOG, or dropping the on-demand service. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93540 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;688560 Wrote: We found a simple way to do this: 1. Two or more people are required to do the test: the operator and the listener(s) and - of course - two devices (with and without mods). 2. The operator uses the mute-switch to turn the sound on and off and the input-selector to choose the device. 3. The listeners can neither see which device is playing nor what the op does, to make sure that they never know which device is playing. 4. Before activatig a device the op mutes the sound, selects a device with the input-selector and turns the sound back on. The operater may of course play the same device several times in a row or switch back and forth. Like that it is not predictable what he does. 5. The op writes down what he did and the listeners note what they hear (and keep silent during the test). 6. Compare the notes to see the results. 7. Repeat the test with another op if desired... and so on... Done like that, the listeners can only rely on what they hear... or guess :-) Okay, but that is _not_ a double blind test at all, because the operator knows what is being selected. Even if the operator doesn't know which Touch is connected to which amp input, he or she will know whether the sound is ABAB or AAAB. By definition, in a double-blind test neither the listener nor the operator have any knowledge of what is playing. The point of double-blind is to make sure that no communication between the listener and the operator, including subtle non-verbal communication and even unconscious signals, influences the tests. Don't get me wrong: as I said before, even a single-blind test is a big step forward from most of the discussion/claims around here. And I happen to believe that it's possible to minimize 'contamination' from an operator who is not 'blinded'. But you're wrong to call it a DBT. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;688564 Wrote: Sorry for that. In that case I missunderstood the term DBT. Comes to it that my native tongue is Swiss-German. However, the listeners and the op did not see each other and none of them was a hypnotist :) Sure, no foul. It's good to see at least someone apparently trying to take expectation bias and placebo effects seriously. Btw, I only know a tiny smattering of German, but isn't the German word almost identical (doppelblind)? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?
It's not as flexible as the foobar ABX app, but ages ago Malcolm Wotton posted a nice little Perl plugin for comparing WAV vs. FLAC, and I think the later version also compared MP3. Someone may be able to adapt it to other comparisons. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21545 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93394 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688349 Wrote: Any suggestion on how to set up a blind test for these (and similar) settings is appreciated. I'm especially interested about ways to blind the switching of sources. I would think that usually requires software doing the switching, or some customized hardware, especially to allow for the possibility of _not_ changing the source sometimes (eg, ABAB ABAA BABB). Mind you, I think even single-blind is a huge leap beyond most of what is reported here -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
evdplancke;688071 Wrote: I was using the Touch with a mix of local flac files with their Spotify premium equivalent version in one single playlist. Note that not all 320kbps MP3s are equal. Some have said that Spotify applies dynamic compression which, if true, would certainly affect the aural signature. For example, see post #10 of http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91955. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
guidof;684598 Wrote: But if I could test the difference with a short run of cat6, as I did, why not? It was only $15 and worth every dime to me. Maybe there's a typo or something, but now I'm puzzled about the results of your test. In post #6 of this thread you said -In my system, even a better (Monster, $15) cat6 Ethernet cable did cause a significant SQ improvement. I know, tough to believe, but that has been my experience.- But in the post from last November that you just cited you said -At this point it's really immaterial which of the two sounds better, but for the record it's NOT the Monster.- -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
garym;684617 Wrote: I've made the double blind test suggestion many times on this forum and to my knowledge, no one has ever reported back with any results. Plenty of people report back their (often very mistaken) concerns about why double-blind tests are not valuable. Even suggestions for single-blind tests get the same reactions, or lack thereof. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
guidof;684631 Wrote: True. And this disinclination in an audiophile forum is surprising to you? Yes, yes, -Consumer Reports- does hold double blind wine tasting, but how many enophiles do you know who would subject themselves to such? Well, there are audiophile forums (eg, hydrogenaudio) and scarequote audiophile forums. On this particular forum, very little surprises me any more. But I am surprised that some people are so dismissive of the possibility of the placebo effect. In contrast, I find it easier to understand the argument of some that 'I like it better and I don't care if it's placebo or not', even when it costs significant money. And I know lots of oenophiles and appreciators of other fermented beverages that rather enjoy a (single-) blind taste test now and again. Like music, they/we mostly enjoy knowing beforehand what we are drinking or hearing, but blind taste tests can be fun now and again. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
garym;684638 Wrote: I'm aware of *many* single-blind tastings in the wine aficionado community. Downright common from my experience. It's a good way of removing price (or country of origin) bias from opinions 'Bottle Shock' (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914797/) being only one of the more famous examples -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
Mnyb;684169 Wrote: even at BJC's UK site ? I most be conditioned to live at fringes of civilsation is that really that much for shipping ? The UK site is just a web site. The cables are still coming from Seattle, and they ship via FedEx. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
On the BJC US site the two cables appear to be priced almost the same. Both are good cables, and very reasonably priced. If you have RFI issues then I'd say go for the Belden 1694A. If not, then either would serve you well. And if you really can't decide, buy both and compare them. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
Can't help you much there. In earlier posts you referred to something about a minimum length of 1.5m for coaxial, but I have no idea what your source is for that, so it's hard for me to evaluate. Where did you get that info? Also, it may (or may not) make a difference whether the Belden is being used for analog (as I understand you intend) or digital. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
tank121;683920 Wrote: I'm ordering both analogue and coaxial to replace my Existing cables both analogue and coaxial doesn't really help. The Belden 1694A is a coaxial cable that may be used for either analog or digital. And in post #21 you seemed to be asking about choosing between the LC-1 and the 1694A. I could be wrong, but I believe the LC-1 is analog only. I agree with garym and Jeff Flowerday: the cables should be long enough, but not too long. Like Abe Lincoln said, a man's legs should be long enough to reach the floor. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683244 Wrote: can you provide an example of me giving someone grief, get real. reality bites: SBGK;683123 Wrote: and some people want to influence others by decrying the efforts of others without any positive contribution of their own, is that a power trip thing ? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
audiomuze;683014 Wrote: It'd be great if all the Touch mod threads and questions could be moved to the Touch or DIY forums. Why they were started here is beyond me. That's funny, because the first soundcheck's mods thread originally started in the Touch or General forum, and Klaus (aka soundcheck) was thoroughly dismayed that one of the moderators moved it here. Although I bet he has different reasons for believing that discussion doesn't belong in Audiophiles Hey Phil, glad you're around. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] lose of connection with Toolbox 3.0
1) yes, an SB Controller can control a Touch, or any other Squeezebox model, including software players such as SqueezePlay, SoftSqueeze, and squeezeslave 2) no, using an SB Controller won't solve your disconnection problems. It would appear that something is not right with your wifi network, or perhaps with your Touch. Using a different controller doesn't change that. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92839 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Welcome, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of good recommendations, but first let's start with a clarification about the budget: 1000 - 2000 what? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
sc53;678767 Wrote: Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player ...or a tuner. And if the OP goes for self-powered speakers, then he/she would need a preamp between the sources and speakers, not an amp. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
jean2;678797 Wrote: My wife also wanted to keep the radio and the CD player. I went cold turkey, and I connected the SB-Touch only, the old radio and CD are no longer active. The trick was to make sure all CDs are available on the Touch and easy to find. The SB-Touch will most likely provide all local radio stations. After getting familiar with the SB-Touch, my wife never asked back for the radio or CD player, and welcomed the addition of a SB-Radio. All our partners are different, so when the OP emphasizes -A requirement from my SO. Need a CD player.- I take that as non-negotiable, at least until the SO gets won over by the SB. In my family we did away with the tuner and kept the CD player on the main system. My wife has grown to like the SB ecosystem, but I do hear Why can't I just play FM radio? when our local public radio station's stream has problems. The CD player only gets used if a friend comes over with a CD, or for one of my wife's exercise CDs (I've offered to put them on the server, but she'd rather not for some reason). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;677164 Wrote: Instead of charging a 200$ premium for a rather useless and low quality (compared to tablets or phones) UI they could offer a discounted tablet + App as an option. Your earlier comment about a headless Touch going for $100 at least had a smiley. You can't seriously believe that 70+ percent of the Touch's cost (both hardware and software) is in the ui. There's a place for a headless unit, and I think Sonos is an apt comparison. But I don't see Logitech going that route again. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter for Sale
Is this a regular Transporter or the more recent TP SE, which doesn't have the knob? And is your Cali location Cali, Colombia or someplace else? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92280 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
RGibran;675179 Wrote: With all due respect, there are alot of things in this thread that _don't_make sense yet folks continue to do them in the name of improved sound. Exactly. By the trust your ears and don't over-think it ethos of the toolbox development, the reason for setting SPDIF priority to 01 is because it sounds better to that person. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
I don't know those cables, but I am very happy with my Bluejeans LC-1 connecting a Touch to NAD integrated amp. And it's easy enough to order in the UK via their UK site: http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/. There is still shipping and perhaps customs duty to consider. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
guidof;668346 Wrote: When I moved from the University of Illinois to the University of Maryland, it took me a couple of concert performances to fully appreciate how much worse the sound of DC's Kennedy Center was to that of Urbana's Krannert Center. snip Above all, keep enjoying the music! And get thyself to the Strathmore Center, my fellow Mer'lander! -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
jcowling;665299 Wrote: A volume control on the wall would be nice. Here is a weather proof one: http://www.smarthome.com/6749E/Niles-WVC100E-Enclosed-Weatherproof-Volume-Control-with-Selectable-Impedance-Magnification/p.aspx. I can vouch for that Niles outdoor inline volume control. I have that same model on my outdoor system, for those times when you need to change the volume faster than you can find the SB remote. But it's not cheap. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stylish tiny amp for Touch
There's also this one from Audioengine: http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-N22. I don't know anything about their amp, but their self-amplified speakers get great reviews around here for being excellent value for money. Or if you want to go real minimalist you could forget the new amp idea, sell your speakers and buy a pair of self-powered speakers. What's more minimalist than an amp you can't see? And oh-so-stylish, too :-) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91027 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stylish tiny amp for Touch
Ok, if US$200 is too steep then that narrows things down a lot. Earlier, when I dissed the Sonic Impact as not being stylish I was thinking of 'this model' (http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Impact-15-Watt-Portable-Amplifier/dp/B9W44B). But I had forgotten about its bigger brother, which looks like it may be closer to your taste (http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/1006sonic). It's a little cheaper than the Audioengine, but you may have a hard time finding one. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91027 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stylish tiny amp for Touch
Sorry, but your famous subtlety may be tripping me up here. Are you saying the Sumoh looks like it's from a MIG cockpit? If not, what's wrong with a Sumoh? Then there's the other minor details that would help in answering your question, such as power amp vs integrated, power requirements, budget, things like that. Also, while auto-sensing is a good thing in many applications, if energy draw when idle is a concern you should look at some T-class amps, many of which draw next to nothing when they are on but not playing anything. Here are a couple examples, leaving out the Sonic Impact amp, which is popular, but definitely _not_ stylish! http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/504ta/index.html http://www.trendsaudio.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=37Itemid=28lang=en -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91027 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz on Vortexbox Appliance
rgro;662157 Wrote: Um, yeah, this is kind of what I was afraid of. And, since I know even less about linux than I do about Windows, I'm really reluctant to even start until I can get some good guidance from somebody like Andrew, Ron O. or the like I don't want to throw cold water on your attempts, but it seems to me that the author's guidance is salient here. Namely, Inguz on Linux requires: * PC running Debian or Ubuntu (or probably other Debian-type distributions). But you are running Vortexbox, which is Fedora-based, definitely not debian. * At least 2GHz CPU processor. The author also notes The most important thing is to have a fast CPU. NAS devices or other low-power processors wont be fast enough. But the CPU on your VBA is only 1.66GHz. The VBA's low-power credentials come back to bite you in this case. So your initial question was apt. Rephrased, it could be: has anyone successfully installed Inguz on a computer with a too-slow CPU and an unsupported OS? Until such a person turns up, I think you're asking for frustration. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
RonM;661185 Wrote: Sound is better than most outdoor speakers. That wasn't my experience when I moved from using a Boom outdoors to using an inexpensive combo of SB Receiver, Audiosource AMP100, and Polk Atrium 45 speakers. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
RonM;661232 Wrote: I did say most. yrmd. I noticed that, and to be honest, I haven't listened to most outdoor speakers :-) But I thought I'd chime in since the equipment in my outdoor system is pretty near bottom of the scale, with the speakers only $100/pair and the amp about $90. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
Soulkeeper;660694 Wrote: Without a dedicated listening position, stereo is pointless IMO. I think I would place the speakers evenly, and perhaps try a LRLR configuration for even distribution of the sound. (And maybe experiment with LRRL for some semblance of stereo.) Switching the cables back and forth should be a breeze, so if you don't like it you can easily go back to the default(?) LLRR setup. In a space that's 80 feet by 25 feet I LRRL would give a reasonable stereo sound for those at the ends, but way too much right channel for those in the middle. And LLRR would do the opposite: fine in the middle and hugely unbalanced at the ends (all left at one end, all right at the other). I would definitely recommend LRLR over either LRRL or LLRR. Imagine 3 clumps of people spread out along the 80' length. The ones at either end would get more than a semblance of stereo, and those in the middle would more than a semblance of stereo with the channels reversed. And it would be fairly smooth transitions as one walked along the length. I have my kitchen speakers set up LRLR and it works well. I hadn't thought about mono, but that's definitely worth a try. -- aubuti Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it, and it's '100% wind powered' (http://www.cleancurrents.com/). 'MSI single-core Atom mini-desktop' (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032) (Debian Lenny 5.0.6) feeding: Living room: SB Touch 'NAD C325 BEE' (http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier) 'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html); Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/) 'AudioSource Amp100' (http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6) 2 pair of 'Polk RC60i' (http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement: 'SB2' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/) 'JVC JA-S44' (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813) 'ESS Tempest LS8' (http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/); Bedroom: Boom; Study: SB Radio; Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) 'AudioSource Amp100' (http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6) 'Polk Atrium 45' (http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's bedroom: 'SB3' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/) 'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0' (http://www.klipsch.com.cn/na-en/products/promedia-ultra-2-0-overview/); Roaming controllers: iPod touch with iPeng, 3 'SB Duet' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) Controllers, 'Nokia N800' (http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n800-r6); Limbo:one more 'SBR' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/ aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech offer: 50% off any one item
desertrat58;660521 Wrote: Looks like they finally found the price sweetspot... ...or it may be more accurate to say that they finally hit the bottom of their finite (and not-to-be-replenished) inventory. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
I agree on the suggestion to use passive speakers. Normally I would also agree with the suggestion of an amp indoors along with a Duet Receiver or SB Touch, and I'd add a weatherproofed in-line volume control, for those times you need to drop the volume quickly and can't find the remote fast enough. But since you've thrown an iPod in as the music source I'm not sure what to say, esp in the Audiophile forum. Maybe an iPod dock and an amp that can be hauled in and out whenever tunes are needed? For outdoor passive speakers I have been happy with Polk Atrium 45. They are only about $100/pair, so with your budget and the amount of space you need to cover I would look higher in the Polk lineup. And be sure that your speaker cable is rated for outdoor use -- ordinary speaker cable isn't. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Delay one channel only?
Phil Leigh;652659 Wrote: In practical terms the best one can do is to fix the skew control and stop worrying about exactly where one's head is at. ...or just use headphones. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
magicj1;652854 Wrote: This still does not work. (/$ tar xf touchtoolbox2.0.tar tar: can't open 'touchtoolbox2.0.tar': No such file or directory) The tar command can't find the file. Did you move it to the top-level directory (/), or did you leave it in /root? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Teflon tape
Stratmangler;645014 Wrote: does tea made using water boiled in a similarly treated kettle have improved flavour ? In particular, the hots are hotter. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89174 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Teflon tape
pski;645061 Wrote: And with toast, we are back to blacker blacks. '...none...none more black' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6fwfBKCIQ) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89174 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Spotify versus Rhapsody Audio Quality
I don't know what the percentage is, but I've been pleasantly surprised that every time I've bothered to look during my playing around so far (ie, since last night) they've all been 320k. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88799 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
