of the above quits): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/)
and one more 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver)
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pablolie wrote:
Given the fact we now probably rather control our music from a
smartphone or tablet app, the Controller now seems a droll anachronism.
:-)
True in many cases, I'm sure. But a big plus of the SBC is that it's
usually where you need it and turned on. With smartphones and tablets
): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/)
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No you were fucking wrong
Stratmangler wrote:
It's taken you over seven years to get around to responding - well done!
Witty responses like that take time to formulate. But it took only two
minutes more to go back and edit something in the original post.
mlsstl wrote:
I didn't mean to diss Sonos, but they are a pre-existing product from a
private company that has had the good fortune to not get sold to a
number-crunching mass marketer. I strongly suspect that if Logitech had
acquired Sonos, they would have met a fate similar to Squeezebox.
mlsstl wrote:
It is a pity that Logitech abandoned the Touch Transporter, but
apparently that is the state of affairs these days for music-only
players. There is currently no alternative that is as good. I'm looking
forward to my system to continue running for many years to come.
It is a
bonze wrote:
And both seemingly misunderstanding how a Squeezebox setup actually
works.
Or even grokked the more general difference between a network music
_server_ (eg, LMS) and a network music _player_ (eg, Squeezeplay on a
laptop)
Quad wrote:
The initial post asked about any experience with that tool in a
slimdevices setup. That's what I answered to by giving some details in
which context my experience took place. What's wrong with that?
But of course fair reactions were beyond hope. :-)
Nothing's wrong with that,
garym wrote:
I think sonore has been building these for several years, well before
Touch was discontinued. Basically an audiophile vortexbox.
No, this one is the audiophile Touch, or because it has no display,
maybe more accurately the audiophile Duet Receiver. The audiophile
vortexbox is a
ralphpnj wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance but what is CSOS?
Community Squeeze Operating System
See
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1
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I didn't wade through the whole advert, but in my opinion there is no
reason to use this with a SB system. The boogeyman jitter is not going
to insert itself between the server running LMS and the Squeezebox that
is connected to the audio setup. That trip from the server to the SB is
made
If cost is a big consideration then go ahead and use your Win8 laptop or
an old, re-purposed computer you may have lying around like you did
before. You already have the Squeezeboxes, right? So the financial cost
can be as low as zero.
Ripping and tagging CDs does take time. But once you start
satkinsn wrote:
The SB3 is exclusively a radio tuner for me, and my big project needs to
be moving all the shiny spinning discs I think I'll want to hear over
the next 20 years to some sort of server - but I'm torn because of the
abundace of options: I ran Vortexbox for a year or so and
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Actually the SB Receiver (the player part of the Duet) is not the same
as an SB3. Most of all it has a different DAC, and there are other
differences as well (no headphone port, no IR receiver, etc). See
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison
But whether it measures, or
Why is there any expectation bias because you know that A and B are
different? That they are different is a given in ABX testing, so that
expectation is always correct. The task is to determine whether X is A
or B, and whether X is A or B is completely random.
ABX is very simple. Listen to A,
JerryS wrote:
I don't want to turn this into an argument because I just don't know
enough about it. My point is that if the brain knows that A and B are
different file types then it is going to be working pretty hard to
detect audible differences. If it finds such differences then it is
JerryS wrote:
Well, good place to leave it I think? I can't think of an easy way of
demonstrating whether the two methods do or do not give identical
results and I am not convinced that you have demonstrated that they
theoreticaly should give the same results. Doesn't matter that much
JerryS wrote:
Lots of references to ABX testing in this forum. Is there any
theoretical reason why this should be more robust than triangle testing?
I'd be interested to see the science behind it, because there is a
subtle difference in the methodology. But either way you're picking the
odd
Welcome. I think you're likely to get a better response in the DIY forum
than in the Audiophile forum, as many (but not all) audiophiles do not
believe in EQ. Or they don't believe in packages such as the SB
Receiver-plus-SRi-amp.
Unless you are really interested in doing this kind of surgery on
Julf wrote:
Just curious, did you set up a proper double-blind ABX test?
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
No, I have no interest in convincing anybody of anything. I think I have
the lowest priced system of all the posters in this thread (but believe
the performance of my system is way high and I
guidof wrote:
That great wine sure tastes not so great out of a styrofoam cup . . .
Agree 100%. Though it may still taste better than a crummy wine out of a
styrofoam cup. Empirical question, more research needed
Maybe I'm not thinking creatively enough, or am taking the easy way out,
but it sounds to me that your best solution would be adding a pre-amp,
ideally one with a phono input (and corresponding phono pre).
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Stratmangler wrote:
Get one of these and you don't need a DAC with a USB connection.
They also do a version with a BNC connector.
Good idea. Then I would only need a new amp/pre with a SPDIF or BNC
connector
I'm just trying to do a good ABX on my existing system here.
garym wrote:
ABX Component for Foobar2000 can automate ABX comparisons.
Sorry for straying off-topic, but I have a question about foobar2000's
ABX. It works great, but only for doing ABX using the computer running
foobar2k, which isn't a great help when I want to compare on a decent
hifi
Quad wrote:
What slightly disqualifiy these results are statements like this:
-extremely high degree of statistical confidence
barely statistically significant difference-
Statistical significance is a zero/one decision. Either it is
significant or it is not. You can't tell anything
This is a well-known issue. The problem lies with the combination of
TT3.0 and transmissions of some internet radio stations. For example of
past discussions, see
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95144-Radio-Apps-Sound-Like-Chipmunks
I think post #6 in the link I gave pretty much sums it up. As far as I
know it's only an issue with low sample rate material.
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The fatigue I refer to is digital fatigue. Only the absence can be
appreciated, so unless members actually listen to the units discussed
here, then ignorance will indeed be bliss. A true shame, but I hope we
have a silent majority here.
My spending priorities consign me to the
toby10 wrote:
I think you would be hard pressed to hear any difference between the SB3
and Receiver, pretty much same audio architecture. The SB3 display can
be completely dimmed (set to OFF while playing) if you honestly feel it
hampers audio quality.
Agree 100%.
There was a fair bit of discussion after the Touch's release (and even
before release once the secret was out and beta testers could discuss it
on the forums) about the comparative quality of the SB3/Classic digital
outs and the Touch's. A lot of people, including some whose opinions I
respect a
toby10 wrote:
Monster brand anything is generally considered over hyped over priced.
+1
Monster also has a history of overly-aggressive and anti-competitive
business practices, such as this attempt to intimidate Blue Jeans Cable
(which I happen to think is a very respectable brand, unlike
jh901 wrote:
The conclusion you guys are making seems to be that all gear sounds the
same. You really believe that?
I don't think anyone has made that hyperbolic conclusion except you. I
think any of us would agree that some components or systems sound better
than others, and that some have
SBGK wrote:
I have never used blind testing because I believe humans are best suited
to A/B testing
How's that? Given that blind testing is typically A/B done by humans
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Very poor, I suppose that level of 'service' is OK when you're churning
out mice and and keyboards.
At least with the real hi-fi suppliers like Linn, McIntosh, Naim etc.
you're not left high and dry.
And another reason why Logitech will not be selling anything remotely
Usually barebones units come with the drive cables you need, and it
appears that this one does, too. Did you take a look at the manual on
the website you linked to:
http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/85-874999/873301-an-01-en-FOXCONN_BAREBONE_R10_D4_ATOM_D525.pdf
I recommend 2GB
pkfox wrote:
Hi Aubuti, do you have one of these units ? They do look appealing but
the graphics capability would be wasted with my setup.
No, I don't. I keep my server well away from the listening room, so a
fanless unit was overkill for me. I bought a barebones Atom-based
system (see link
reasonably priced is a pretty vague term, but as we're in the
Audiophiles forum I'll assume you mean expensive :-)
If you want quiet, capable, and convenient you probably can't do better
than the Fit-PC line (www.fit-pc.com/web/). The Fit-PC computers are
also ridiculously small. They take 2.5
Jeff Flowerday wrote:
If you don't initiate a WOL event to a sleeping server, you do get the
blackest blacks you could ever imagine.
Try it!
Love it! I tried it and it really does take the noise floor down to
almost imperceptible levels. ;-)
LarsHP wrote:
Let's assume, that jitter does play a role in digital audio.
Well it definitely does not play a role in the transmission of the data
via ethernet (or wifi) between the pc/NAS and the SB. TCP/IP has no
timing beyond making sure that enough data gets to the SB on time to
avoid
darrell wrote:
If I were starting from scratch, I'd get the mini-pc and a large USB
disk, and forget about the NAS.
I agree completely. You can get a lot more processing power per dollar
(or pound or euro) with a small form factor pc than with a NAS. The pc
also tends to be more flexible when
LarsHP wrote:
As I said - I am no computer engineer, but my statement was regarding
timing in the digital domain in general, not certain parts of the
digital domain.
Then I really don't understand why you specified a certain part of the
digital domain, i.e., -From my point of view a
mlsstl wrote:
One can leaf through the Playboy and Esquire magazines of that period,
or watch how movies TV presented trendy young men, and get a pretty
good idea that good hi-fi systems were hot stuff.
Playboy had pictures and/or articles about hi-fi systems?? Can't say I
ever noticed
Willakan wrote:
Agreed, but I still don't see why more emphasis wasn't placed on
discussion of the test conditions from the get-go, to establish whether
it could be classed as meaningful and/or to attempt to reproduce it.
NoRoDa has provided a lot of the details of test conditions in various
The OP has already stated that it was not terribly rigorous (see post
#1943 in the thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?91322-soundcheck-s-Touch-Toolbox-3-0/page195).
But if you're going to blame the test procedure when someone at least
actually bothered to try (single) blind
ralphpnj wrote:
Simple: I believe that all those claims are completely worthless. Well
not really completely worthless since when these claims are make by a
reviewer in one of the high end audio magazines the claims then can be
made into great quotes by equipment manufacturers.
Obviously. I
ralphpnj wrote:
Yes I fully understood that to be how you meant your post, however I
rarely miss a chance to bash the high end audio press :)
Ok, glad I could help with teeing that one up for you :-)
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TheOctavist wrote:
you wont find anything statistically relevant. ever.
NSS. It's called calling his bluff. Maybe too subtle, but at least
soulkeeper and mcr got it.
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I have done this often to bands I record(or to myself). I do a take, and
hit a switch on , say an eq only to hear damn that was good ...but I
hadn't engaged anything at all, but put it from OFF into bypass mode. .
I do this with bands too. ill say im going to change
magiccarpetride wrote:
There are well documented cases where sufficiently large population of
double blind testers were reporting significant differences in the sound
quality while in reality the experimenters were merely playing an
identical configuration over and over and over.
Please,
exactly how
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could be responsible for the OP's symptoms. In fact, it could also
happen if LMS is running on a decent pc but the library is on a NAS
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data that gets sent
down the ethernet cable.
Reasonable (and unreasonable) people differ on whether either of those
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hi JJZolx, I have seen reports that the SB is very well capable of
playing 96 material.
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a difference or be of any interest are those in TT? That there isn't
anything else out there that could make a difference? Wow.
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expensive than Pandora One, but it's so much more useful to me
because I select what I play. When the rate goes up to $10/mo I'll have
to choose between staying with Rhapsody, switching to MOG, or dropping
the on-demand service.
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take expectation bias and placebo effects seriously.
Btw, I only know a tiny smattering of German, but isn't the German word
almost identical (doppelblind)?
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, especially to allow for the
possibility of _not_ changing the source sometimes (eg, ABAB ABAA
BABB).
Mind you, I think even single-blind is a huge leap beyond most of what
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signature. For example, see post #10 of
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91955.
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for single-blind tests get the same reactions, or lack
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Mnyb;684169 Wrote:
even at BJC's UK site ? I most be conditioned to live at fringes of
civilsation is that really that much for shipping ?
The UK site is just a web site. The cables are still coming from
Seattle, and they ship via FedEx.
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On the BJC US site the two cables appear to be priced almost the same.
Both are good cables, and very reasonably priced. If you have RFI
issues then I'd say go for the Belden 1694A. If not, then either would
serve you well. And if you really can't decide, buy both and compare
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used for analog (as I understand you intend) or
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the 1694A. I could be wrong, but I believe the LC-1 is analog only.
I agree with garym and Jeff Flowerday: the cables should be long
enough, but not too long. Like Abe Lincoln said, a man's legs should be
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SBGK;683244 Wrote:
can you provide an example of me giving someone grief, get real.
reality bites:
SBGK;683123 Wrote:
and some people want to influence others by decrying the efforts of
others without any positive contribution of their own, is that a power
trip thing ?
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soundcheck) was
thoroughly dismayed that one of the moderators moved it here. Although
I bet he has different reasons for believing that discussion doesn't
belong in Audiophiles
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perhaps with your Touch. Using a different controller doesn't change
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Welcome, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of good recommendations, but
first let's start with a clarification about the budget: 1000 - 2000
what?
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sc53;678767 Wrote:
Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player
...or a tuner. And if the OP goes for self-powered speakers, then
he/she would need a preamp between the sources and speakers, not an
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gets used if a friend comes over
with a CD, or for one of my wife's exercise CDs (I've offered to put
them on the server, but she'd rather not for some reason).
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believe that 70+ percent of the
Touch's cost (both hardware and software) is in the ui. There's a place
for a headless unit, and I think Sonos is an apt comparison. But I don't
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Is this a regular Transporter or the more recent TP SE, which doesn't
have the knob? And is your Cali location Cali, Colombia or someplace
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I don't know those cables, but I am very happy with my Bluejeans LC-1
connecting a Touch to NAD integrated amp. And it's easy enough to order
in the UK via their UK site: http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/. There is
still shipping and perhaps customs duty to consider.
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same model on my outdoor system, for those times when you need to
change the volume faster than you can find the SB remote. But it's not
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sell your speakers and buy a pair of self-powered speakers. What's more
minimalist than an amp you can't see? And oh-so-stylish, too :-)
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like it may be
closer to your taste
(http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/1006sonic). It's a little
cheaper than the Audioengine, but you may have a hard time finding one.
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, which is popular, but definitely _not_ stylish!
http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/504ta/index.html
http://www.trendsaudio.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=37Itemid=28lang=en
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be: has anyone
successfully installed Inguz on a computer with a too-slow CPU and an
unsupported OS? Until such a person turns up, I think you're asking for
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RonM;661185 Wrote:
Sound is better than most outdoor speakers.
That wasn't my experience when I moved from using a Boom outdoors to
using an inexpensive combo of SB Receiver, Audiosource AMP100, and Polk
Atrium 45 speakers.
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in the
middle would more than a semblance of stereo with the channels
reversed. And it would be fairly smooth transitions as one walked along
the length. I have my kitchen speakers set up LRLR and it works well.
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desertrat58;660521 Wrote:
Looks like they finally found the price sweetspot...
...or it may be more accurate to say that they finally hit the bottom
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/pair, so with your budget and the amount of
space you need to cover I would look higher in the Polk lineup. And be
sure that your speaker cable is rated for outdoor use -- ordinary
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In practical terms the best one can do is to fix the skew control and
stop worrying about exactly where one's head is at.
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magicj1;652854 Wrote:
This still does not work. (/$ tar xf touchtoolbox2.0.tar
tar: can't open 'touchtoolbox2.0.tar': No such file or directory)
The tar command can't find the file. Did you move it to the top-level
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does tea made using water boiled in a similarly treated kettle have
improved flavour ?
In particular, the hots are hotter.
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pski;645061 Wrote:
And with toast, we are back to blacker blacks.
'...none...none more black'
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I don't know what the percentage is, but I've been pleasantly surprised
that every time I've bothered to look during my playing around so far
(ie, since last night) they've all been 320k.
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