On 22/11/2007, b.madanmohan patro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> can anyone tell me how to get free t-shirts from sun
Attend a OpenSolaris summit or Sun marketing event.
Otherwise, they aren't giving them out as far as I know.
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ases, yes.
If this is an issue for you as a Sun customer, I would open a support
ticket with your Sun support representatives and escalate the issue.
I can't speak for Sun; I can only tell you what I believe to be true
based off what I've read on the mailing lis
alled in (Legacy) to AHCI mode.
Thus, switching this mode can have unintended consequences.
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"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
junction types--in the absence of quant
ilds are not publicly available at this time due to space
constraints, etc.
They are also not redistributable, so another person can't legally
give you a copy.
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"We don't have enough parallel universe
t sure why xdm isn't being chosen as the
> default login and GDM is, but that's what I've been told by the people
> in charge of the case.
Probably because GNOME is Sun's desktop choice so it makes logical sense?
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logy.
>
The system probably defaults to C because C is the *POSIX* locale.
I know that when building software in a development environment, it is
the only locale guaranteed to work in my experience.
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"We
ependencies and
use it given the amount of resources poured into it then attempt to
duplicate all of the work that has been done to it using another
display manager.
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"We don't have enough parallel unive
was too
> > much turkey. My apology.
> > >
> >
> > The system probably defaults to C because C is the
> > *POSIX* locale.
> >
> > I know that when building software in a development
> > environment, it is
> > the only locale guarantee
fit from having a single high-performance
system doing the compilation then distributing it amongst multiple
systems from what I understand.
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"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
ju
ild on the same
architecture system that you are targeting.
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"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
junction types--in the absence of quantum computing the c
other than the 64-bit kernel just requiring a lot more time
> booting.
Ian Murdock already posted about this issue earlier this month on the
indiana-discuss mailing list:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2007-November/003807.html
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etup to setup the
two, or you will have to have separate physical drives for the
installation.
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"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
junction types--in the absence of quantum comp
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
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"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
junction types--in the
On Nov 30, 2007 9:31 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the
> > view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is
> > doing?
>
>
&g
On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but some things
> > are plain ole' "common sense."
>
>
est is that Sun quickly moves to make an official
statement regarding this project / community to ensure that this
inaccurate portrayal does not tarnish their image and that of other
communities they participate in.
Thanks,
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their company
continues to make the communities they participate in look like
nothing more than a "pr move" and leads to decisions that cause unrest
and tension within our community and others.
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"We don
On Nov 30, 2007 3:29 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
>
> You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject l
>
As Simon already pointed out, the change from the original approved
governance model of a Sun-appointed project leader to a "project
owner" appointed one was made by the project members and apparently
without any community approval.
An official statement to clarify the situatio
On Nov 30, 2007 9:02 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability
> > to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company
On Nov 30, 2007 9:04 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Chris Mahan wrote:
> >>
> >>> I look forward to the discussion this is going to ge
On Nov 30, 2007 9:18 AM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If Sun is so inexperienced in this area, perhaps they should have
> considered hiring someone who is as a community manager, and ensuring
> that he drives their decisions instead of stumbling around?
>
I would li
RC yet.
Discussions are still under way as to what the shell will be. It is
premature to call this a severe error until a comittment has been made
for this interface change.
In short, why didn't you send this to indiana-discuss? This is not a
final QA'd, and ARC'd release.
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k on Indiana some
of those whom used to work on SXCE, so how is Indiana a betlittlement
of any of that work?
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"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
to check file permissions every time (not to mention cluttering
> "/").
I always change any Solaris systems I setup to use /root for root's
home for this very reason.
I like being confident that any files created when logged in as root
will go to a relatively "secure plac
he record, in the last year or so Intel did start providing
*code* and a binary blob for accelerated drives and that work is being
adopted for Solaris/OpenSolaris if I'm not mistaken.
Plus Intel has reassigned individuals such as Dave Stewart to work on
bringing Intel-specific platform optimisa
or macrovision, etc. is necessarily closed
(see intel_hal.so):
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=115536806403908&w=2
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"To err is human -- and to blame it on a computer is even more so." -
Robert
On Dec 3, 2007 2:12 PM, Brian Utterback <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 2007 12:20 PM, Patrick Ale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Is Sun even sure it's self what will do what and what will replace what? I
>
a did not remember the passwords I set up in the install...
Did your passwords contain the 'v' character? If so, that is why :)
Omit the 'v' character from your passwords and you should be able to
login just fine.
Yes, an odd bug, but known.
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g website
(bugs.opensolaris.org)
2) The bug involves security or is against a software component that
is not open source yet and thus will not be made available on the
external bug tracker
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he moment.
The target audience for Indiana is probably not running SPARC, so
there is significant value in producing just one arch.
Not only that, producing for more than one architecture requires
additional resources which would be better spent on the main issues
until they are ready.
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f the primary goals of Indiana:
* Freely redistributable
Many components of SXCE while "free to download" can only be
distributed by Sun under various restrictions.
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"To err is human -- and to blame it o
s high maintenance at the
moment and older builds aren't kept for very long (if at all in some
cases!).
I wholeheartedly agree that it is miserable, but I wouldnt want the
meager resources we already have for website updates to be further
burdened.
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On Dec 6, 2007 1:40 PM, John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:14:20PM -0600, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > On Dec 6, 2007 12:52 PM, John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > For various reasons, people occasionally need to
dy have today for some applications for audio.
For the record, Solaris is listed as a supported platform:
http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio
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"To
from the installer or use liveupgrade;
otherwise, no, not currently.
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t have been available or
permissible to announce on Dec. 3rd. Sun has over 30,000 employees at
last check and not every individual knows the reasons for certain
decisions, only that a decision has been made.
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&
erful as ALSA many of the niftier features I am currently
> working on will most likely not be available on Solaris anytime soon, though.
>
Claims that it is not as powerful without specific examples are not
helpful. My personal experience with ALSA as a developer has always
been less then
ot;FCS", but I don't know what FCS
> is! Please tell me!
>
"Production Ready All the Time"
Source:
http://blogs.sun.com/kupfer/entry/fcs_quality_all_the_time
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"To err is human -- a
wise, Windows may have support for certain hardware before Solaris
or GNU/Linux systems.
If you want to see better hardware support; it is only fair you be a
customer of Sun, ask your hardware manufacturer to support Solaris, or
contribute to the efforts to making the support a reality.
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I'm willing to support a community if the rest of the community thinks
> there is value in a Open Solaris Wine community.
A community, I think, would be overkill.
A project sponsored by an existing community, though, would certainly
be acceptable.
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r contributions, that contributions will be primarily driven by Sun
business needs and priorities and not by community needs.
Sun has already acknowledged this issue and they are working towards
ensuring that there is an open process for contributions.
However, that is not yet in place.
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):
http://trolltech.com/products/qt/gplexception/
Cheers,
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"To err is human -- and to blame it on a computer is even more so." -
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seen from a Sun representative that
clearly outlines the challenges faced in redistributing Sun Studio.
Thanks for responding,
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Rob
On Jan 22, 2008 9:05 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is the first statement I've seen from a Sun representative that
> > clearly outlines the challenges faced in redistributing Sun
ently.
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One of the major points of having a tool like ips is to allow easy
installation of software from other sources.
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On Jan 24, 2008 5:18 PM, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > One of the major points of having a tool like ips is to allow easy
> > installation of software from other sources.
>
> That's my point. How will you
/bin/scanpci.
>
> I'd like to know if someone could help me.
You'll find the answers you need here:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/
Especially this page:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wificonfig/
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about feeling good, they are
> not about finding a problem to solve, they are about solving the problem you
> have.
I disagree; the various homebrew computer clubs that existed in the
70's are proof of that...
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t; > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
>
> Based what I have heard, I am going to skip builds 79 & 80 altogether, and
> wait and go directly to 81.
That would be good since build 81 was posted today :)
79&80 were never released as far as I know.
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t could include an updated ksh93.
> Seems like a couple years ago now that I read about work to port to
> Solaris. Hadn't followed but assumes it'd been completed by now, but
> from recent list shell discussions apparently not, eh?
No, a fairly recent version was several builds ago.
India
27;s free software,
> right? Hence the previous method to "protect" the download should
> be sufficient and it allowed scripting:
No, it isn't free software; it is partially derived from free
software. Solaris Express is not freely redistributable and because
of various le
d
developers.
It just so happens that GNU/Linux is one of those platforms from which
certain evaluations are drawn.
If you'll note past discussions, FreeBSD has been in those evaluations too.
The user base of other operating systems is significantly larger; good
products a
On Feb 4, 2008 11:40 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > If someone at Sun is interested to take the current code, he is welcome!
> > > I am currently working on fixing bugs in "sh&q
on, but Roland and many others did all of the work to get
/sbin/sh to be replaced by ksh93.
If you want do that that work for bsh; then go ahead.
Otherwise, please don't complain needlessly about ksh93.
Thanks,
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On Feb 4, 2008 7:30 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:27:41 -0600
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 2008 12:14 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 03 Feb
On Feb 5, 2008 4:42 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 2008 11:40 AM, Joerg Schilling
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
acakge I don't want.
>
> And I don't accept the argument that 'Disk is cheap - Install it all!'
That's why IPS is encouraging to me. The dependency models that are
being considered could substantially simplify this. I encourage you
a script which behaves different under ksh93
> than it would under /bin/sh and which contains valid "sh" syntax.
I know that, but I'm not convinced that there is no solution to that
problem yet.
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&q
On Feb 5, 2008 6:15 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > While I wish that there were better options than GNU userland in terms
> > of functionality, the reality is that the majority of the open sou
sh93,
> customer scripts breakage will be different)
I'm not convinced of that yet.
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_
ON, etc.
As a result, they are *different* from the originals in certain areas,
and therefore are not a straight copy and qualify as a fork in my
mind.
Are they harmful forks? I doubt it; but to me, they are forks.
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perating systems which got things right, like HP-UX, and IRIX in
> particular! Even FreeBSD has features that would be desireable in OpenSolaris.
>
I'm not sure what we could learn in terms of developer accessibility
or approachability from dead or dormant platforms.
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eir right mind would prefer a
> Torrent-based acquisition method for our ISO's...
As was noted in the release announcement, the test image was released
via torrent only on purpose.
When the actualy preview2 image is posted, there will be other methods
to get it available
On Feb 5, 2008 11:42 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 2008 8:31 AM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > For instance, I understand that in the linux world 'DBU
On Feb 5, 2008 12:26 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:08:02 -0600
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 2008 9:37 AM, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'd be very sur
On Feb 5, 2008 12:49 PM, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 12:44 -0600, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > Thus, I stand by the claim that Nexenta, at the very least, is a fork.
>
> You deeply mistaken here. As far as OpenSolaris is concerned - Nex
On Feb 5, 2008 1:21 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:08:40 -0600
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 2008 9:42 AM, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > It just so happen
On Feb 5, 2008 1:14 PM, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 13:08 -0600, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 2008 12:49 PM, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 12:44 -0600, Shawn Walker wrot
On Feb 5, 2008 1:27 PM, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 13:26 -0600, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > ...and I never said that wasn't a good thing. I'm just pointing out
> > that Nexenta is different.
>
> in a good, practical an
On Feb 6, 2008 6:02 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > No. You mistaken. We didn't change anything related to core libraries
> > > and applications. Changes only related to packa
;t have to be; that'll change all by itself as you gain
> engineering experience under your belt.
Such a statement incorrectly assumes that I do not have such experience.
I still do not believe that something cannot be done to address the issue.
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http:/
On Feb 6, 2008 5:32 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but Nexenta is clearly trying to compete; they produce a
> > commercial product.
> >
> > Thus, I stand by the claim that
On Feb 6, 2008 4:44 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > You need to install GNOME libs in order to run a X-less base OpenSolaris
> > > installation. Do you believe this is correct?
> &
On Feb 6, 2008 9:38 AM, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker writes:
> > I still do not believe that something cannot be done to address the issue.
>
> At least in some cases, the "something" would have to be an assumption
> that the u
On Feb 6, 2008 10:31 AM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > Yes, I am trying to say that packaging is the issue here, not software.
> >
> >
> No. Dependencies are the issue. Many dependencies are created when the
Dependencies are a res
x whatever deficiencies they perceive are there
The main issue is that even if you fix the few issues that Joerg has
fixed, that doesn't solve most of the problems with /sbin/sh.
Ultimately, /sbin/sh is an unacceptable shell in a modern environment
for a variety of reasons.
It isn't even
On Feb 6, 2008 11:08 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ultimately, /sbin/sh is an unacceptable shell in a modern environment
> > for a variety of reasons.
> >
> > It isn't
On Feb 6, 2008 11:23 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 6, 2008 11:08 AM, Joerg Schilling
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Feb 6, 2008 11:41 AM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 2008 10:31 AM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Shawn Walker wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, I am trying to say that packaging i
s will be dismissed as "hand waving."
In other words, beyond a few small examples I've seen, I have yet to
hear any real details of incompatibility beyond hypothetical
situations.
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On Feb 6, 2008 11:59 AM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
> > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> 1) *NOT* POSIX compliant
> >>
> >
> > If you have problems with that, you may modi
On Feb 6, 2008 12:16 PM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > 2) Buggy
> > >
> > > What bugs?
> >
> > Take your pick from bugs.opensolaris.org.
> >
> >
On Feb 6, 2008 11:39 AM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > POSIX does _not_ deal with PATH names and thus does not say anything about
> > > /bin/sh.
> >
> > I know that. You were
On Feb 6, 2008 12:30 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 2008 11:59 AM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Joerg Schilling wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Shawn Walker" <
unless the make source contains
> a workaround for the bug. There are many other problems in bash
>
> Compared to bash, /bin/sh (the Burne Shell) is bug-free.
I don't think you'll find many users that agree.
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On Feb 6, 2008 12:49 PM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, but unless you are able to explain problems, I ned to asume that
> > > you
> > > don't know what you are
aintained
(it is difficult to tell until all of the cases are dealt with), 99%
may be good enough.
In the end, it may be worth not keeping backwards compatibility with
such a broken shell.
But that isn't for me to decide, even though I hope it happens.
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ompatibility.
I think the problems caused by #!/bin/sh *not* being a decent shell
are greater than what little value there is in keeping it.
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"To err is human -- and to blame it on a computer is ev
t's a new one (and a brand of detergent for washing machines)
>
> Why not gosh? (Which would be the name of the be-all, end-all of shell's:
> God's Own Shell)
That, would be a truly great name :)
Yes, dash is one of the many reasons I would like to see /bin/sh be a
PO
On Feb 6, 2008 1:16 PM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Compared to bash, /bin/sh (the Burne Shell) is bug-free.
> >
> > I don't think you'll find many users that agree.
>
On Feb 6, 2008 2:26 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 2008 1:16 PM, Joerg Schilling
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
On Feb 6, 2008 2:35 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 2008 2:26 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Shawn Walker wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Feb 6, 2008 1:16 PM, Joerg Schilling
&
On Feb 6, 2008 2:36 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:12:59 -0600
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Feb 6, 2008 1:16 PM, Joerg Schilling
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Shawn
On Feb 6, 2008 2:57 PM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >
> > > (Or you need to proof that there are no /bin/sh scripts in use on Solaris
> > > which execute differently under
93 is making things like GNU/Linux.
Oh, and as far as the enterprise argument, go talk to some of the
enterprise sysadmins who post here; they hate that /bin/sh isn't
anywhere near portable across systems.
--
Shawn Walker, Software and Sys
On Feb 6, 2008 3:27 PM, Joerg Schilling
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> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > ANd giving them ksh (or even dash I imagine) on Solaris isn't going to
> > > be that noticeable then, or any better. Theonly
On Feb 6, 2008 3:37 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 2008 3:18 PM, a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and as far as the enterprise argument, go talk to some of the
> > enterprise sysadmins who
On Feb 6, 2008 3:33 PM, Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Feb 6, 2008 2:57 PM, Joerg Schilling
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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