Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
They're almost 2 grand Australian new - now the US dollar is about 60, 65 cents Australian, so you do the maths. Plus we now have a new GST tax - extra 10%. You can get those cheap home stereos at pawn shops but there's no service or spare parts and the service/parts cost you. Hence I am stuck with one that turns UR into. instant Walt Disney records. In fact the service for turntables sucks all round in this country. Trust me, I have tried all of these recommendations. My techno CD collection is actually quite modest. Even import CDs are A$40 over. I'm still saving up for Alan Oldham's - at 41/45 bucks. We call it the tyranny of distance. Redeeming 313 content: Detroit Grand Pu Bahs is getting a local release through Zomba. You should read the official label bio - hilarious. Goes on about them meeting at the Detroit Zoo. I got sucked in until it went into the part about underground labyrinths. Cheers Cyclone Turntables cant be that expensive in Australia? In the Staes (I'm sure its about the same in Europe) a new direct drive table by gemini or numark will run you about $100, theres also the cheap home stereo turnatbles you find at pawn shops that will play 33 and 45rpm just fine for $20 and up. Have you seen those complete dj systems in box for $300-$500? My advise is if you have enough money to build yourself up a impressive Detroit techno CD collection invest 400 bucks on a Technics SL1200MK2. stephen.
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
Hello, I am not trying to start a big argument, but I will put it to you like this. get a random teenage techno DJ, and play them a marco corolla record, and then play him the Kick the Pump Mix of Big Fun by Derrick May. I guarantee you he will pick the Marco Corolla record. You know your stuff, and you have a perspective of a person who knows their stuff. Most people do not have your perspective, and they do not judge records the way you do. You can see the context, and because of that you can enjoy most of the metroplex catalog. It is easy to point to No UFO's, but how about Play it Cool, or Triangle of Love. Those records are great, but you are nuts if you think that those records are great productions. They were made in low budget studios, and they sound like they were made in low budget studios. bad gated reverb kicks, poorly recorded vocals, they sound old and primitive by modern standards. As for composition, Juan was good, but his shit isn't that complex. He had a great sense of groove, he could write in key, and he had a knack for good sounds. When you get outside of the 313 dogma and learn a bit of music theory you might judge those records a little differently. Juan was good, but he wasn't Bach or Miles Davis. I like them because they sound old and primitive. They have soul, they are interesting and distinctive. But what you and I see in those records, the average punter does not. I do not think Marco Carolla is better, I just think he is a lot more obvious, and that is the whole point of my posts. I still have my Detroit records, I don't miss the hard techno records I sold. If not being rigidly dogmatic about records is sacrilegious, I am ready for the stones. Early Detroit is great music, but it is just a branch on the tree of music. It is great music, but I have enough perspective to know that it is not the center of the musical universe. take care, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: records, but I admit that many of them are poorly produced, the writing isn't all that great, and they do not really work in a modern context. I love them because they sound so old, so primitive, and because in many ways they laid the groundwork for so much of what came after. I like sorry, man. but this rubbish. early m500/metroplex is surely not poorly produced at all. juan`s early works still kick ass in 2000 and will still be working in ANY modern context beyond the year 00, while any modern type 4/4 bangtech all sound alike music is almost forgotten once the dj enters the next one in the mix. serious futuristic musical visions last forever, son No U.F.O`s is gonna move the crowd from chicago to oslo and back even in the year 2976 ... FUTURE IS HERE! i hate seing people slander the roots. andy background records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject http://www.egroups.com/group/tech-gear
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Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
--- Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your welcome. I wasn't looking to give it, but if you wanna make me better-than thats cool. You simply make yourself look dumb, nowone, not even i, could make you look better. I think you should read more books about the man/woman psche. I think you should go back to school and learn how to spell, psyche, first. whether you are male or female, i think you have some learning to do. with a name like 'dance extacy', im assuming you are pretty young or just nieve. I'm pretty oldschool(sick) actually. men will never understand certain biological insticts that women have. would you just cut the crap already! I and many others are getting sick of this. This is about music for fucks sake. Nowone wants to hear your long drawn out useless rants about the women's cycle and ridiculous fem-nazi banter. most women are raised to be in tune with these functions all the time, and its what really shapes society (at least american) and the whole process as much of women's reactions are based on these functions. Whether a woman is straight,gay or bi, they are born with these insticts and thought processes. it is what makes us...us. you poor thing, you simply have too much time on your hands. men, are raised by most parents with a certain social standard in mind as well. they are raised to fit into a certain place and take on a certain role in society-gay or straight. they have thought patterns and mind types (see Covey mind typing research)that women will never understand either. the collision of these two is what makes much of the world go around.its what intrigues one sex about the other, its awesome to watch and observe. unbelievable so, now you can make your comments about me being 500lbs. I'm actualy 600lbs...but after the first 4, you really just tend to let yourself go. that was meant as sarcasm to show how stupid your whole post has become. later...my casserole is almost done. my pizza's done as well *one bitter fuck* __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are calling out Diana, my friend, be prepared. She's tougher than you. ? what is she gonna sit on me ;] stop the insanity __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
i can't believe i just read that hardcore=progression now i like hardcore every once in a while when i want to kill somebody, and hip hop just won't take care of my urge. but the last time i checked hardcore just had a loud thunderous bass with a bunch of *scary* sound effects behind it. and last time i checked hardcore hasn't changed that much from the late 80's to the present. detroit has changed plenty. you are wrong, very wrong. jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: Dance Extacy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit --- Bekka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn you're one bitter fuck. you wouldn't last a second on the hardcore list. it makes sense though, detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression. *one bitter fuck* ;] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
Dustin? -Original Message- From: Dance Extacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are calling out Diana, my friend, be prepared. She's tougher than you. ? what is she gonna sit on me ;] stop the insanity __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: hardcore=progression
It's terribley clear that Dance Extasy is stuck in the world of *Happy* hardcore. Now we all know that HH is *not* in a state of progression!! Not to defend the reigning 313 asshole but a certain artist in the hardcore world is doing quite a bit to further the sound of techno. Chinese-French gent Laurent Ho being the primary example. I'm sure many of you are familiar with him. He owns and manages several record labels: Epiteth and Uncivilised World are hardcore, Anlx is experimental techno, Gasoil is tribal (there are other labels too). I highly recommend all four current releases on anlx. high quality stuff - and its not just another marco carola :) Check out http://www.uncivilizedworld.com for more info. He's a pretty interesting cat. On a related note, a few months back Kent Williams (my right hand Rotation man!!) posted a link to MP3.com for a local artist Noah Podalefsky. I'm proud to announce that Noah's the USA's sole representative on the newest Laurent Ho CD on the Human label!! My congratulations to him... Laurent hand picked about 10 tracks out of 2500+ MP3's on www.technomusic.com , of which one was Noah's. Its a great track, and nice to see Iowa techno represented worldwide. Vince - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Dance Extacy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression i can't believe i just read that hardcore=progression now i like hardcore every once in a while when i want to kill somebody, and hip hop just won't take care of my urge. but the last time i checked hardcore just had a loud thunderous bass with a bunch of *scary* sound effects behind it. and last time i checked hardcore hasn't changed that much from the late 80's to the present. detroit has changed plenty. you are wrong, very wrong. jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: Dance Extacy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit --- Bekka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn you're one bitter fuck. you wouldn't last a second on the hardcore list. it makes sense though, detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression. *one bitter fuck* ;] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
doood, i don't listen to happy u.k. jungle, jungle boy. big up to the selling out of jungle though. ;] w3rd --- Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dude take your *happy* hardcore records and shove them up your arse. and while you're at it, get off the 313 list. you're obviously too intelligent for it. better still just quit trolling. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
How come people on this list are so prone to flaming and personal attacks?! Y'all don't get out enough? I think women in particular are intimidated by these flames - I know I am. I've been humiliated on this list once and it's not nice. We all have something to offer, including you Dance Extacy. Diana is one of the most pro-active women on this list and a very intelligent participant. Very few want to address the sexism that exists in this culture on a grassroots level and I really think it's time we did so. Is it just me who walks into a record store and instantly feels uncomfortable? It's a vibe. These kind of experiences hurt your self esteem and make you angry. I am sure racism works in the same way. It's so arbitrary and hurtful and frustrating and seems to make absolutely no sense. I am no man hater, most of my best friends are male - I love men, I adore male company and many of my male friends are in this industry - but the culture as such is not amenable to women and many of my male friends see that. Peace C
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
-- Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah ok dood. w3rd. rave it up dog. you listen to happy US hardcore. actually i listen to dark german stuff, hence my handle. you're a smart one though you didn't catch that. did you get that new HH Cher remix. dood it's phat. no i got the new jungle remix though. i didn't realise so many cheesehaeds had jungle remixes these days y0. yeah fuck jungle it all sucks. really. stagnation all the way y0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
hardcore hasn't changed that much from the late 80's to the present. what about newstyle eh? what about futurestyle? hard style, etc. those are just 3 of the many new genre's within hardcore. hardcore has brought in many new sounds within those genre's of music. detroit has been on life support for the last 8 years. detroit has changed plenty. you are wrong, very wrong. jeff detroit hasn't done anything new. it's been on life support the last 8-9 years. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Up in Flames
Re: How come people on this list are so prone to flaming and personal attacks?! Y'all don't get out enough? I think women in particular are intimidated by these flames - I know I am. As I was when I opened my first reply about the whole racism in music thingy (the offender will remain un-named and ignored until they want to discuss racism in a more controlled manner). I felt like the person on the other end was actually right in front of me. I was rather shaken for the rest of the day (I only feel this way when I'm confronted with bodily harm). Luckliy I didn't jump off this list right away. There are cool people out there. Thanks to all those who defended my position. Flames are an ATTACK on someone...control your energy, simmer down. FRED I've been humiliated on this list once and it's not nice. We all have something to offer, including you Dance Extacy. Diana is one of the most pro-active women on this list and a very intelligent participant. Very few want to address the sexism that exists in this culture on a grassroots level and I really think it's time we did so. Is it just me who walks into a record store and instantly feels uncomfortable? It's a vibe. These kind of experiences hurt your self esteem and make you angry. I am sure racism works in the same way. It's so arbitrary and hurtful and frustrating and seems to make absolutely no sense. I am no man hater, most of my best friends are male - I love men, I adore male company and many of my male friends are in this industry - but the culture as such is not amenable to women and many of my male friends see that. Peace C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
yeah and i bet you like trance too *lol* wow, i'm dealing with an ignorant one here. lol thats why i quit buying jungle and am on the 313 techno list. i'm sure you're lovin those old happy tracks. and if you keep replying to the list w/ my personal emails im gonna have you booted from yahoo for violating the TOS. damn, i'm scared. i guess i'll have to get a new handle. too bad you don't understand the meaning of a mailing list and realise that messages and responses will be posted. that's bypassed on the tos. ;] your messages have already been forward to syops at yahoo. heh, i guess you're little child. you can't understand an argument with such a small mind, thus running and hiding. too funny LMAO i'm sure they'll love to hear about your sexist remarks... heh, i'm sure, they'll just laugh at your stupid a$$.lol put that in your happy hardcore trance pipe and smoke it ravedog. i slipped it in your happy cheese jungle trance record bag for you to spin at your next bedroom fiasco on sat night. hehehehehe peace vince w0rd __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
You know, it's one thing to act stupidly in public on a list like 313. It's yet another to repost PRIVATE email. You are deserving of no respect, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. And you will get none. out phred
Re: [313] OT: hardcore=progression
--- Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's terribley clear that Dance Extasy is stuck in the world of *Happy* hardcore. haha dance extacy is a german label, kiddie. they produce sick hardcore. it's not the jungle cheese you like __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
www.hyperreal.org/music/lists/gabber/ Welcome to the gabber mailing list, where the topics are all aspects of the harder and faster kinds of techno (gabber, hardcore, speedcore, doomcore, terrorcore, noizecore, industrial-hardcore, new-style, dutch, rotterdam etc ). The list administrator is [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may Join the list by sending mail too [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list will send you a confirmation request, and once you reply to it a message confirming that you are a subscriber will be sent. 'nuff said
hehehehehe
I don't really give a shit. I'm only here to dump these shitty records. When that's done(and it's almost done) i'm gone from this festering, rascist, stagnatic, retro, riciculous and cheesey, dead, REgressive style of music, going nowhere but backwards-music and board. nuff said --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, it's one thing to act stupidly in public on a list like 313. It's yet another to repost PRIVATE email. You are deserving of no respect, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. And you will get none. out phred __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
--- FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: newstyle, future style, hardstyle they go alog great with trancecore, terrorcore, noisecore, etc, etc actually those last three styles are dead. and many of the producers that used to produce those styles are now doing sick pcp sytled hardcore. bass that cirtually destroys as weak and pathetic detroitish kick drum. it's funny to see hardcore slow down and kick detroit in the nuts. and i've yet to hear any breathing from detroit artists on life support. They might as well be burried with the rest of the dog shit. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
haha i'm done =)
all records sold. =) remember this, detroits dead and going nowhere. rehashing old ideas will never work. hahaaa suckaz *out* __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
the persisting question...
i'm not about to get into some dissin' conversation with u, but the question does persist... if you DON'T LIKE TECHNO AND THINK IT'S S stagnatic, retro, riciculous and cheesey, dead,REgressive... why did u buy these shitty records in the first place? sand. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] hehehehehe
Good riddance. I've seen far too much of the attitude exhibited by [EMAIL PROTECTED], who is so brave he won't even tell us his name. It's too bad. I remember when hardcore was *fun*. But then it got taken over by a massive wave of emotionally stunted one-note screamers; this ruined ne-raves and dc-raves in turn. So danceextacy despises us but wants our money for his records? Make me laugh, dude. I'm out of this one... phred
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are calling out Diana, my friend, be prepared. She's tougher than you. ? what is she gonna sit on me ;] stop the insanity thanks for the props phred. and yes-I WILL sit on you. ALL 500 lbs of me. I am large and in charge my friend-so WATCH out. *laughing* diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
you have reposted a private email to the list.An email that was intended to be calm conversation. I tried. you have gone against your contract to 313. Some of us have been on here for yearsyears. You, of all people, won't make us leave or won't turn this list into crap. you will get no more energy from the list, nor myself. You are shunned from the village. d From: Dance Extacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:54:59 -0700 (PDT) --- Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your welcome. I wasn't looking to give it, but if you wanna make me better-than thats cool. You simply make yourself look dumb, nowone, not even i, could make you look better. I think you should read more books about the man/woman psche. I think you should go back to school and learn how to spell, psyche, first. whether you are male or female, i think you have some learning to do. with a name like 'dance extacy', im assuming you are pretty young or just nieve. I'm pretty oldschool(sick) actually. men will never understand certain biological insticts that women have. would you just cut the crap already! I and many others are getting sick of this. This is about music for fucks sake. Nowone wants to hear your long drawn out useless rants about the women's cycle and ridiculous fem-nazi banter. most women are raised to be in tune with these functions all the time, and its what really shapes society (at least american) and the whole process as much of women's reactions are based on these functions. Whether a woman is straight,gay or bi, they are born with these insticts and thought processes. it is what makes us...us. you poor thing, you simply have too much time on your hands. men, are raised by most parents with a certain social standard in mind as well. they are raised to fit into a certain place and take on a certain role in society-gay or straight. they have thought patterns and mind types (see Covey mind typing research)that women will never understand either. the collision of these two is what makes much of the world go around.its what intrigues one sex about the other, its awesome to watch and observe. unbelievable so, now you can make your comments about me being 500lbs. I'm actualy 600lbs...but after the first 4, you really just tend to let yourself go. that was meant as sarcasm to show how stupid your whole post has become. later...my casserole is almost done. my pizza's done as well *one bitter fuck* __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Change of Topic - New V-max anyone?
Just got hold of V-max's new one V984 @Brunner There was a Day EP. As soon as I get a listen or as soon as Dave does we will update you... But if anyone out there deep in 313 land has caught a glimpse of this one, please share, as I probably won't have a chance to check it till later this week. j.d.
downtempo 313?
I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] hehehehehe
Actaully, most of them (the ones with merit) are touring the globe and making millions of dollars. As opposed to your $200 weekly payroll check from Mc Donalds. Reality is a mutherfucka, huh? I don't really give a shit. I'm only here to dump these shitty records. When that's done(and it's almost done) i'm gone from this festering, rascist, stagnatic, retro, riciculous and cheesey, dead, REgressive style of music, going nowhere but backwards-music and board. nuff said --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, it's one thing to act stupidly in public on a list like 313. It's yet another to repost PRIVATE email. You are deserving of no respect, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. And you will get none. out phred __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Intermodal wrote: Hello, I am not trying to start a big argument, but I will put it to you like this. get a random teenage techno DJ, and play them a marco corolla record, and then play him the Kick the Pump Mix of Big Fun by Derrick May. I guarantee you he will pick the Marco Corolla record. Where is this random teenage techno DJ from? What country? What city? I'd argue that it matters You know your stuff, and you have a perspective of a person who knows their stuff. Most people do not have your perspective, and they do not judge records the way you do. You can see the context, and because of that you can enjoy most of the metroplex catalog. It is easy to point to No UFO's, but how about Play it Cool, or Triangle of Love. Those records are great, but you are nuts if you think that those records are great productions. They were made in low budget studios, and they sound like they were made in low budget studios. bad gated reverb kicks, poorly recorded vocals, they sound old and primitive by modern standards. You take 100 heads, play them Play It Cool and marco corollaand ask them which one has the bad gated reverb kicks. How many of them will pick the right one? The concept of production values plays NO ROLE in what i find appealing to the ear in a 12'. Though i AM in a minority as far as knowing the history of techno, I think I'm in the majority when it comes to an analysis of production values. As far as I'm concerned most of M500's catalog are classics. I say most because I thought Play It Cool was weak ;) As for composition, Juan was good, but his shit isn't that complex. He had a great sense of groove, he could write in key, and he had a knack for good sounds. When you get outside of the 313 dogma and learn a bit of music theory you might judge those records a little differently. Juan was good, but he wasn't Bach or Miles Davis. This is interestingbut you are making two different arguments here. The first is that the production values are poor...I think this argument--even if true--is weak. The second is that the music isn't complex. If Miles Davis is the standardhow many dance music artists (expanding the discussion to include house, and other forms) meet this bill? I love No Way Back by Adonisbut it ain't KIND OF BLUE. But then again, why would I expect it to be? I like them because they sound old and primitive. They have soul, they are interesting and distinctive. But what you and I see in those records, the average punter does not. I do not think Marco Carolla is better, I just think he is a lot more obvious, and that is the whole point of my posts. I still have my Detroit records, I don't miss the hard techno records I sold. If not being rigidly dogmatic about records is sacrilegious, I am ready for the stones. Early Detroit is great music, but it is just a branch on the tree of music. It is great music, but I have enough perspective to know that it is not the center of the musical universe. No it isn't...but I didn't think that anyone was arguing that it was. peace lks
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
i could be wrong...in fact i probably am, but since Clark Warner is part of Plus 8...and he is a downtempo DJ...maybe he has a downtempo record or two out. i dunno. just a guess. and what about people like the Mad Professor, Olive, and Mix Master Morris?? they are all downtempo. not exactly 313, but they are chill. there is also a guy out of Baltimore, i think he may have an album out, Lovegroove. i may be wrong with all this. someone who is more educated in downtempo may be able to help. jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:05 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] downtempo 313? I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
I have to admit that Clark is one of my favorites in town...also Theorem (Dale Lawrence)...outside of that though not-313, I like Pole www.pole-music.com ) quite a bit too... There is also 'Pulse Programming', Mike Taylor, and Nate DeYonker though who each played at the event Current back when that was going... -Dustin == Dustin H [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.protocolstack.net == Check out Emerald Nights: http://www.protocolstack.net/emerald/ == - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Diana Potts' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: RE: [313] downtempo 313? i could be wrong...in fact i probably am, but since Clark Warner is part of Plus 8...and he is a downtempo DJ...maybe he has a downtempo record or two out. i dunno. just a guess. and what about people like the Mad Professor, Olive, and Mix Master Morris?? they are all downtempo. not exactly 313, but they are chill. there is also a guy out of Baltimore, i think he may have an album out, Lovegroove. i may be wrong with all this. someone who is more educated in downtempo may be able to help. jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:05 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] downtempo 313? I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com
Detroit Does Suck I agree
The man has some good points. Also, The label Dance Extacy is a german hard as nails label owned by Marc Acardipane. Almost every release will make your balls go into your stomach. The bass is that heavey. They doctor the kick drums amazingly. Now while it's obvious that the dance extacy guy was only here for one purpose(to sell some records he got for free obviously). He still had many valid points. One thing I agree with him on for sure is that the junglist guy is a moron. He dosen't have a clue as to what he's talking about. He's a happy jungle turned detroit newbie all of a sudden. How retarded is that? Another thing I agree with dance xtc on is that, detroit musik as it stands right now, is the biggest joke of all time. I love techno but my love is for hard techno, not sissy detroit jazz bullshit. And I don't mean u.r. because they were the only one's in detroit with any balls. But that was back in 91 with the punisher, method of force, etc. Now they've turned into a two bit electro group. Ughh Anyway. If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist http://www.thingstocome.com). Guys like marc acardipane http://acardipane-records.ngate.de/ http://www.p-c-p.de/ http://members.aol.com/blissout/mover.htm etc etc etc. Those guy's are genious's. The true german influence. Afterall that's where detroit tried to steel the sound but failed miserably. All the legends are from the fatherland. The german machine. And Laurent ho is the biggest waste of a producer I think i've ever seen. The guy is new skool. Nowone respects him at all. I think it's pathetic when people like jungle idiot, throw out names like they know all about hardcore and what's going on with it. The fact's are, nowone with a creative bone in their body in hardcore is doing speedcore or noisecore anymore. Even guy's like mark n are doing those hard as hell 4x4 140-150 bpms bass tracks. Tells you how much jungle gimp knows. ;) I've gotta give my respects to the germans and that means, talla2xlc, kraftwerk, marc acardipane etc. Plus let's not forget the normal, morton subotonic and 242 Alright i've said my peace. Stay true to the underground. R.I.P. U.R. and Detroit __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
Follow up
Just wanted to point out that, the normal is daniel miller and he's brittish. he runs/owns nova mute., and 242 is danish. Just thought i'd get that in there before someone thought they were cool. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
Re: [313] haha i'm done =)
I can't think of anyone better to bounce a check on. your money would be better spent on the crackhead down the block, -d.w. Dance Extacy wrote: all records sold. =)
Looking for records
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RE: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree
retarded, sissy detroit jazz bullshit, balls ... come on... This kind of macho shit is the complete antithesis, to me, of what this list (and Techno / Dance music) is all about. Please don't send out stuff like this in the future. Thanks. Ryan Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Lennox Lennox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree The man has some good points. Also, The label Dance Extacy is a german hard snip
Re: [313] haha i'm done =)
all records sold. =) remember this, detroits dead and going nowhere. rehashing old ideas will never work. hahaaa suckaz *out* I think this guy might be Moby in disguise... peace mike [aentrikate]
Noah Podolefsky
For those interested in Noah's work, check out http://www.mp3.com/artists/32/nspodolefsky.html Well worth the visit, and a friendly chap to boot! Great that he's getting some tracks out. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. -Original Message- From: Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: [313] OT: hardcore=progression It's terribley clear that Dance Extasy is stuck in the world of *Happy* hardcore. Now we all know that HH is *not* in a state of progression!! Not to defend the reigning 313 asshole but a certain artist in the hardcore world is doing quite a bit to further the sound of techno. Chinese-French gent Laurent Ho being the primary example. I'm sure many of you are familiar with him. He owns and manages several record labels: Epiteth and Uncivilised World are hardcore, Anlx is experimental techno, Gasoil is tribal (there are other labels too). I highly recommend all four current releases on anlx. high quality stuff - and its not just another marco carola :) Check out http://www.uncivilizedworld.com for more info. He's a pretty interesting cat. On a related note, a few months back Kent Williams (my right hand Rotation man!!) posted a link to MP3.com for a local artist Noah Podalefsky. I'm proud to announce that Noah's the USA's sole representative on the newest Laurent Ho CD on the Human label!! My congratulations to him... Laurent hand picked about 10 tracks out of 2500+ MP3's on www.technomusic.com , of which one was Noah's. Its a great track, and nice to see Iowa techno represented worldwide. Vince - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Dance Extacy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression i can't believe i just read that hardcore=progression now i like hardcore every once in a while when i want to kill somebody, and hip hop just won't take care of my urge. but the last time i checked hardcore just had a loud thunderous bass with a bunch of *scary* sound effects behind it. and last time i checked hardcore hasn't changed that much from the late 80's to the present. detroit has changed plenty. you are wrong, very wrong. jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: Dance Extacy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit --- Bekka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn you're one bitter fuck. you wouldn't last a second on the hardcore list. it makes sense though, detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression. *one bitter fuck* ;] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
I'd recommend Neil Oliverra's Detroit Escalator Company. A classic. All of the Free Zone comps on SSR have some nice down-tempo offerings, including the oft-313-mentioned Muliplicity of One's and Zero's by Claude Young on Volume III. There was a Fragile record, I believe it's called or has a track called Everything's Gone Pear Shaped. Quite good. John Beltran might fit into this category for you. If you can track down a copy of the Repeat album, it's a must-have. Mark Broom with Plaid. And although it isn't 313, I highly recommend Music For 18 Musicians by Steve Reich. Great orchestrated ambience. Let me know if you want me to dig deeper into the not strictly 313 crates. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: [313] downtempo 313? I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
More stupid flames in response to stupid flames
From: Lennox Lennox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:26 PM Subject: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree One thing I agree with him on for sure is that the junglist guy is a moron. He dosen't have a clue as to what he's talking about. He's a happy jungle turned detroit newbie all of a sudden. How retarded is that? Way off-base guy. Vince has been DJing for about five years. When he started out he was in to house and techno, found a love for jungle, always DJed house and techno even when he focused on jungle, and has pretty much stopped spinning jungle over the last year, sometimes pulling out the gems in his collection. He has had the junglist email address for a few years now, so go easy. I'm sure most people know it's a complete pain in the ass to change your address and he isn't concerned enough with labels to worry about it. Most people who like jungle that I know, have been very unimpressed with the recent output, so lots of those DJs are either going back to their roots or finding different styles to spin. I see nothing wrong with that. As far as being a happy jungle turned detroit newbie. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Vince works at the Record Collector in Iowa City, which has an incredibly diverse selection that he and fellow listmember Scott Stone go to great lengths to acquire. Being that we're in Iowa, we aren't usually at the top of people's to please lists. If he's familiar with happy hardcore, happy jungle or whatever, it's because the Record Collector does a great job of playing new music for their customer's even if it isn't necesarilly what they want to hear. Vince and Scott have to listen to an enormous quantity of crap in order to do their jobs well. Please try to get the facts straight before you make a hasty judgement. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [313] haha i'm done =)
Who's rehashing old ideas? At 12:04 AM 6/19/00 EDT, you wrote: all records sold. =) remember this, detroits dead and going nowhere. rehashing old ideas will never work. hahaaa suckaz *out* I think this guy might be Moby in disguise... peace mike [aentrikate] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bombay / MAW
Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know if the rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, true? Also, picked up MAW-049 - Little Louis Vega feat. Blaze - Elements of Life. What a combo these guys make!! Live instrumentation, beats, beautiful vocals - wicked. Thanks Respect JasonB
[313] stay low, stay strong, stay underground
I'm sitting here scrolling through my mailbox today, deleteing all of the e-mails that even sound like flames, and chuckling to myself. How could anyone think that hardcore, trance, jungle, or whatever made up genre you decide to pull out of generation ecstacy, is progressive. I guess the only good analogy i can think of is that of DNA. Double strand dna is more stable, less likely to mutate because the protiens have to line up in order for it to work, Hence the more advanced organisms (plants, animals, detroit techno) possess double strand dna. THey are more stable and less likely to mutate into extinction because they in effect have a broader base. On the other hand, organisms possessing single strand dna tend to be offshoots of mutations of double strand organisms( viruses, gabbertrancejunglecorebreaks). As a result they are less stable and tend to die out, or completely change in order to survive(or follow a trend). So i guess the moral of the story is as follows: *first...Just because detroit hasn't spawned something for europe (no disrespect to all the real european heads) to turn into a new rave cliche in a little while, doesn't mean that detroit is in a state of stagnation... in fact i could be convinced that in two years someone in the fatherland(WTF???)will be making ghettotekgabbercoretrancebeaks... * secondlyCaptain Morgans is the shit *and finally... stay low stay strong stay underground Peace, mike [aentrikate]
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree
If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the by the bridge space two years ago. Perhaps, if Detroit (313) techno is so without balls as you said, then you would be better suited not subscribing to mailing list dedicated to discussing it? Just a suggestion. You could save yourself a lot of time and frustration. Also, you could spend more time discussing the music you really enjoy. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Bottom Feeders
hello, It isnt Juan, its a Tommy Onyx project. They have a page on MP3.com if you want to check their stuff out. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/42/bottom_feeders.html take care, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone else heard this record. Its on KMS, but all it says for the artist is the bottom feeders. I've heard that it might be Juan Atkins, but thats just what somebody told me. Oh yeah and if you see this record check it out, its great. Casey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject http://www.egroups.com/group/tech-gear
larkin track(s)...
anyone know how many singles were released from kenny's metaphor album? i know of just loop and catatonic. did he ever release anything on his own imprint? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Follow up
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Lennox Lennox wrote: and 242 is danish. Just thought i'd get well i'm not gonna go into all the other shit you said, but 242 danish? read your history books before you try to act the professor... \()/ funque droppings \/ christian bloch : label manager /\ www.mp3.com/bloch /__\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree?
If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist http://www.thingstocome.com). lenny dee still plays disco loft classics in nyc on the odd occasion...so much for your purist. Speaking as someone who knows both Lenny and Oliver, I can tell you that while they don't necessarily LOVE jazzy Detroit Techno, they at least respect it. Unlike the chucklehead Europeans that posted this drivel (I know few Americans outside of Minneapolis who think this way about hardcore) Actually, I think they would be a little disturbed to hear some nut bleating about bad hardcore, and then praise their work. e
Re: [313] Re: all this racism stuff (fwd)
wrong! WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG...learn yer terms...learn the difference between discrimination, prejudice and the isms... Well maybe the USA dictionary differs from the british and australian dictionaries. :) emma mee-thod
RE: [313] Bombay
Nothing from Larry Heard, I'm afraid. Here's the discog so far: Graça, Miguel - Watchalike (BOM101) 12 Carter, Derrick / Nazuka, Chris - A Red Nail Relic (BOM102) 12 Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.1 (BOM103) 12 Nazuka, Chris / Schumacher, Tim - Primary Colours (BOM104) 12 Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.2 (BOM105) 12 Davis, Roy Jr. - Unreleased Basement Traxx (BOM106) 12 The latter which has just been released last week. Haven't even listened to it yet. The best 12 so far IMHO is the Red Nail Relics EP. But I'm an impartial fan of Derrick's (plus, there's a good Fred Everything remix on there), so maybe I'm not the best person to ask. Not much 313 content so far, but who knows what's to come? Hope this helps. Sqrrt. -Original Message- From: Batory, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:02 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] Bombay / MAW Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know if the rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, true? Thanks Respect JasonB
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
i'm personally not into downtempo at all, but my friend and former roommate is really, really into the stuff. if you need more info try www.thedownbeat.org he has written some reviews on there as drm. should be a good start. if anyone is _really_ interested in it, feel free to email him - [EMAIL PROTECTED] he'll be more than happy to reply, he's super cool. peace On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, FC3 Richards wrote: i could be wrong...in fact i probably am, but since Clark Warner is part of Plus 8...and he is a downtempo DJ...maybe he has a downtempo record or two out. i dunno. just a guess. and what about people like the Mad Professor, Olive, and Mix Master Morris?? they are all downtempo. not exactly 313, but they are chill. there is also a guy out of Baltimore, i think he may have an album out, Lovegroove. i may be wrong with all this. someone who is more educated in downtempo may be able to help. jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:05 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:[313] downtempo 313? I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_ . . /.:::. !wendy creamer! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |:: .. :: // __ :: /: ::: ,pq .,[EMAIL PROTECTED], the greater the /// /::`/ : ::` $bs,, $$` .d$P .kobstacle, the more //___/ :: :.d$P` '4b.$$$l+p%$$$k. glory in overcoming it. / __/\__: | $b,pgg,d$$$P`+$$$b,..d$$$P` ___ ___- Molier _// \o @ /: |:.`+S$$PQ$$S+` :. `+S$$S+` .:` /__/ /_/ /_/\_\: |||:+ : `` .:+,,.. .+,.. .::..| |||this sig done by wendy's mack daddy, Spinsane of ACiD/RMRS/DPS:||
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Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree
My favorite all-time music magazine quote was some years ago in DJ Magazine (you know, the big slick one with all the stories about how to be a wedding DJ -- but they actually have decent interviews with people such as Carl Craig). Anyway, they interviewed Lenny Dee and asked him about intelligent techno, a term some people were using at the time. I don't make intelligent techno, Lenny said. I make stupid techno. At least he was willing to cop to it :) But Lenny's work at least has had some serious intent all along, and reflects the urban reality of New York the way that Detroit techno does for the D. This is much more than can be said for those who compress their drums, distort the kick, set the BPMs to 190 and press a record, hoping that sheer physical pounding will set aside the need for entertainment or musical insight. OK, I've had my say on that now. One last thing: we get trolls and chain-yankers on 313 all the time. But we're still here and they, by and large, are not. phred
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
Dance Extacy wrote: --- FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: newstyle, future style, hardstyle they go alog great with trancecore, terrorcore, noisecore, etc, etc actually those last three styles are dead. and many of the producers that used to produce those styles are now doing sick pcp sytled hardcore. bass that cirtually destroys as weak and pathetic detroitish kick drum. it's funny to see hardcore slow down and kick detroit in the nuts. and i've yet to hear any breathing from detroit artists on life support. They might as well be burried with the rest of the dog shit. It's pretty sad to see someone judge the quality of music by the power of the bass. Jernej -- http://megaklik.si/sol/ the sound of ljubljana
Sandwiches in the UK
Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with I know you want to do it... underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
Diana Potts wrote: I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. I don't know anyone in the 313 realm apart from Shake and Recloose, but here's a bunch of artists and labels anyway (I'm a little short on time, so I can't do full reviews, sorry). There a lot of material being released of late with jazz/latin/afro influences, a direction I'm very happy with even though I'm only scratching the surface myself. Artists: Rainer Truby, Jazzanova, Jephte Guillaume, Seiji, Alex Attias, P'Taah (aka Chris 'Wamdue' Brann). Labels: Ubiquity, Compost, Yellow (esp. the Bossa compilations), Archive, 2000 Black. Otto
Re: [313] Change of Topic - New V-max anyone?
JavierDrada wrote: Just got hold of V-max's new one V984 @Brunner There was a Day EP. As soon as I get a listen or as soon as Dave does we will update you... But if anyone out there deep in 313 land has caught a glimpse of this one, please share, as I probably won't have a chance to check it till later this week. Good release. Two melodic electro-ish techno tracks that remind me a bit of Morgan Geist's work and two faster, more abstract electro tracks hi-tech funk style. I also heard a new release by Heath Brunner on KMS (I think KMS068?) that's really nice, somewhat similar to the Vmax release: groovy, melodic techno. Otto
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: records, but I admit that many of them are poorly produced, the writing isn't all that great, and they do not really work in a modern context. I love them because they sound so old, so primitive, and because in many ways they laid the groundwork for so much of what came after. I like sorry, man. but this rubbish. early m500/metroplex is surely not poorly produced at all. juan`s early works still kick ass in 2000 and will still be working in ANY modern context beyond the year 00, Then how come everyone hardly spins anything old except 'Clear' and 'No UFOs'? Otto PS With any music, only a few tracks stand the test of time, a lot of them don't, they only work(ed) during a given time. They had a function back then, they fulfilled that function and then went to the gread record pile in the sky. That's got nothing to do with slandering the roots, it's a general music phenomenon, let's not get too teary-eyed nostalgic about it.
Re: [313] Change of Topic - New V-max anyone?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 11:21:41AM +0200, Otto Koppius wrote: JavierDrada wrote: Just got hold of V-max's new one V984 @Brunner There was a Day EP. As soon as I get a listen or as soon as Dave does we will update you... But if anyone out there deep in 313 land has caught a glimpse of this one, please share, as I probably won't have a chance to check it till later this week. Good release. Two melodic electro-ish techno tracks that remind me a bit of Morgan Geist's work and two faster, more abstract electro tracks hi-tech funk style. I also heard a new release by Heath Brunner on KMS (I think KMS068?) that's really nice, somewhat similar to the Vmax release: groovy, melodic techno. Great releases indeed! One track of the KMS release by Heath can also be found on KMS' mp3.com page - http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/116/kms_records.html Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/
Re: [313] Rough Guide to Techno
The Rough Guide to Techno is supposed to be out this month...Amazon is taking orders right now. Let's hope they do a slightly better job with this I've got a copy of it sitting in my hot little hands right now. It's been available in Australia for a couple of weeks now. It's pretty good actually. Very good coverage of all the 313 artists. out. d.
Re: [313] Bottom Feeders
Man that record is the bomb, I don't know who the Artist is but it is sweet, melodic, and tight in the programming. I especially like the strings, they give it that extra touch, I am stuck on the pretty side. The other side is harder, good to though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:17 AM Subject: [313] Bottom Feeders Just wondering if anyone else heard this record. Its on KMS, but all it says for the artist is the bottom feeders. I've heard that it might be Juan Atkins, but thats just what somebody told me. Oh yeah and if you see this record check it out, its great. Casey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
I heard about this...all the coverage. To quote a piece a wrote for a mag, the pumbas are getting more PR than Tom Green's balls. the great thing is, is that these two deserve it. I believe they are going to Europe to tour soon. I think London and Love Parade are two of the stops, not 100% sure. I'd ask Jon Layne at IT. D From: Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Sandwiches in the UK Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:10:59 PDT Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with I know you want to do it... underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
I'd have to agree with Andy here. Some early techno records might have raw production, mixing and muddy pressings, but these records are also full of the kind of raw expression (soul) that's so hard to find in 'modern' techno. I also have to agree. You had some raw sparse minimal tracks that came out of Chicago and Detroit that were truly amazing even by today's standards. The other day i was listening to Jeanette Thomas Shake Your body (house shaker version) and was amazed how good this track really is. The gated reverb on the 707 kick, the seductive bassline, the use of the one shot sample. Also Steve Silk Hurley - Jack your Body, this is 100% drum machine funk that will still blow peoples minds. When you get outside of the 313 dogma and learn a bit of music theory you might judge those records a little differently. Juan was good, but he wasn't Bach or Miles Davis. Juan Atkins was a dance producer, a visionary that created a new type of futurist electronic dance music called techno. They were made in low budget studios, and they sound like they were made in low budget studios. bad gated reverb kicks, poorly recorded vocals, they sound old and primitive by modern standards Thats what makes some of Kevin Saundersons early productions such masterpiecess. Electronic Dance is probably one of my favorite tracks of all time. stephen.
RE: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
I saw a snippet of the video for this on some kiddies TV show at 7am on Saturday morning in the UK. Of course, I was er...just channel hopping coz I don't normally watch kiddies TV at 7am (or ..er..at anytime, for that matter)...um..yes. Matt. -Original Message- From: Simon Walley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 June 2000 10:11 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Sandwiches in the UK Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with I know you want to do it... underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bombay
JasonB: Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know if the rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, true? Not sure about the Larry Heard bit, but here's what I've got... Bomb 101: Miguel Graca - Watchalike EP Bomb 102: Derrick Carter Chris Nazuka - Life Is Like A Circle Bomb 103: Miguel Graca - Soulnotmind [I think] Bomb 104: Chris Nazuka Tim Shumacher - Say That U Love Me For more info drop Miguel an email at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And look out for his EP on Ferox from a couple of years back - 'Up To The Sky' - beautiful... Cheers, Tom
Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
Just peeped the Sandwiches video a couple weeks ago. As you'd expect from the Pubahs, it's pretty dammed funny!! Complete with Paris and Andy in numerous costumes, girls in bikinis (and not all of them the skinny bikini types typical of music videos) wrestleing in mayo, a carosel, cameo appearance by Brian Gillespie (sp?) and a midget (or is that little person for all you PC folks out there?) all in all a very nicely done video that obviously had a very large production budget. I cant wait until MTV gets ahold of it! if they liked bloodhound gang they're just gonna eat up Sandwhiches! (ouch!!) Hey! a review of a Detroit techno video! those are few and far between on the 313 list, eh? :^) sean deason Simon Walley wrote: Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with I know you want to do it... underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
I believe Patrick Lindsey is actually from Austria, Vienna if I'm not mistaken... General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! John -Original Message- From: c myster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene Harthouse was(is?) in Offenbach, Germany according to 1996 the Phat Jive Sleeve Where's Patrick Lindsey from? He's one funky mofo. What's he up to now? Wasn't Harthouse based in Frankfurt as well? Eye-Q? Derrick's Strings of life b side still slayin me after all these years. Especially the unnamed track in the middle. 909+Flanger+Derrick's funkin funk+a little more effects!= timeless techno oops i said the T word.:P works great into some Mplant stuff and out of any mills. or anything else for that matter. Get to spin hard and/or funky technoee stuff in front of mainstream audience tommorrow should be interesting to see reaction to some classic Saunderson, Mills, Pullen, etc. tracks. so if anyone's around White Bear Lake, Minnesota manana. Check Me out. Bouncin my body to the box on this list since 96 Mystro-- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene (was : 'Trying to recreate something th at's long gone')
Gaetek is in fact Gaetano Parisio and he's Italian for sure (Napels). I did an interview with him some time ago for Bassic Groove and his English was a bit funny. Those who are interested can get the answers to the interview sent to them (for personal use only of course). John -Original Message- From: Todd Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:22 PM To: Nick Walsh Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene (was : 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone') Could have sworn Gaetek was Italian no? Other conform artists, Advent (UK) Qmen (Italy), Marco Carola (Italy). I think David Squillace is the only person from Germany who has produced on this label. Actually just confirmed Conform is Gaetek's label from Italy. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick Walsh wrote: --- Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: inextricably linked. The Frankfurt-Berlin-Detroit Trans-Atlantic connection ho ho... I'm not trying here to add a point to this ongoing thread, but just curious : I still have some difficulty attaching the artists to city scenes - Detroit I see - Berlin I see (basically I would put there Tresor, Basic Channel, Chain Reaction...), but Frankfurt - what are the most famous artists and labels from this city ? Famous artists and labels from Frankfurt? Hmmm... Gaetek is from Frankfurt and so are all the other Conform artists... I think __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
put that in your happy hardcore trance pipe and smoke it ravedog. never heard 'ravedog' before. that's pretty funny.
downtempo
Diana: I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? As already mentioned, Detroit Escalator Company's 'Soundtrack 313' on Ferox is pretty essential, one of my favourite chill-out records ever. And Shake's Frictional releases are all superb, totally unique... Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. Kind-of 313 related is (de)Focus, with list-memeber CiM's long-awaited 'Reference' LP about to drop - beautiful mellow electronica from a talent who is only beginning to flex his muscles... I also urge everyone to check everything on Delsin, shaping up to be one of my favourite labels in the world. The recent releases from Plasm Nesonic, Lucky Easy and Norken are superb, the upcoming Newworldaquarium sounded awesome from the quick listen I managed last week (cheers Si!). And of course there is CiM's near-legendary 8-track EP from last year... On the jazz/latin/breakbeat tip, I could go on for hours. A few of the key labels to look for: Ubiquity - excellent series of Latin re-rubs from the likes of DeGiorgio, Carl Craig and many others. Also check the P'Taah releases... 2000 Black - deep, abstract breakbeat fusion from the 4 Hero extended family, another of my favourite labels... Archive - slightly more D-flavoured future-classic techno, look out for the upcoming Nubian Mindz LP and Theo Parrish EP... People - IG Culture and friends with freestyle West London jazz fusion, look out for the 'People Make The World Go Round' compilation as a perfect starting point... Other noteworthy labels: Dynamite Joint, Main Squeeze, Visions, Laws of Motion... Producer-wise, the people blowing my mind are Alex Attias (Mustang, Catalyst, Beatless), Seiji, Domu, Nubian Mindz, IG Culture, Neon Phusion, Phil Asher, Kirk DeGiorgio, Jimpster... And anything which says 'engineered by Daz-I-Kue at the Bitasuite' should be bought on sight! :) Hope this gives you something to go on... Tom
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
Whoops, ambient releases, esp. ambient stuff. That's like two times the same thing. Aarggh, it's Monday and you don't have to tell me why I hate that. So, as I tried to say: GEM Office has decent releases esp. their ambient/downtempo stuff. John (back to the land of dreams) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Frankfurt scene I believe Patrick Lindsey is actually from Austria, Vienna if I'm not mistaken... General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! John -Original Message- From: c myster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene Harthouse was(is?) in Offenbach, Germany according to 1996 the Phat Jive Sleeve Where's Patrick Lindsey from? He's one funky mofo. What's he up to now? Wasn't Harthouse based in Frankfurt as well? Eye-Q? Derrick's Strings of life b side still slayin me after all these years. Especially the unnamed track in the middle. 909+Flanger+Derrick's funkin funk+a little more effects!= timeless techno oops i said the T word.:P works great into some Mplant stuff and out of any mills. or anything else for that matter. Get to spin hard and/or funky technoee stuff in front of mainstream audience tommorrow should be interesting to see reaction to some classic Saunderson, Mills, Pullen, etc. tracks. so if anyone's around White Bear Lake, Minnesota manana. Check Me out. Bouncin my body to the box on this list since 96 Mystro-- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] downtempo
Hey Tom, Your mail was really interesting. I like a lot of the stuff you mentioned, particularly getting into this nu skool jazz/funk thing... Labels that I particularly like are... 2000 Black - deep, abstract breakbeat fusion from the 4 Hero extended family, another of my favourite labels... loadsa stuff I want off here... Archive - slightly more D-flavoured future-classic techno, look out for the upcoming Nubian Mindz LP and Theo Parrish EP... STILL trying to find the New Season trilogy... ...Visions... The first release on this label, by Mustang, is awesome. Pity I can't obtain it. ...Seiji... Bought his Second Nature on Bitasweet. Funky as fuck... this is the first tune Dego plays at his DEMF set... Now, to the point, does ANYONE know of any online vinyl mail order sites where I can get this stuff?!?!?!? It's really difficult getting any of the releases I want in the North East of the UK. It's all charty cheese and ultra hard stuff. I want the funk!!! Any help would be greatly appreciated. later, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
Speaking of John Beltran Check out his 'Indio' release on Transmat.. Nice downtempo, well orchestrated and immacculately produced. Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not related directly to detroit style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) are essentiallly the autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 or 6, I can't remember. Scott -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:13 AM To: Diana Potts; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] downtempo 313? I'd recommend Neil Oliverra's Detroit Escalator Company. A classic. All of the Free Zone comps on SSR have some nice down-tempo offerings, including the oft-313-mentioned Muliplicity of One's and Zero's by Claude Young on Volume III. There was a Fragile record, I believe it's called or has a track called Everything's Gone Pear Shaped. Quite good. John Beltran might fit into this category for you. If you can track down a copy of the Repeat album, it's a must-have. Mark Broom with Plaid. And although it isn't 313, I highly recommend Music For 18 Musicians by Steve Reich. Great orchestrated ambience. Let me know if you want me to dig deeper into the not strictly 313 crates. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: [313] downtempo 313? I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree?
Are you joking?? Oliver Chesler was chanting praises for detroit while throwing out free T-shirts and CDs during his (their) live set under the bridge and _still_ couldn't keep people from leaving. I put this guy akin to skinny puppy or FLA w/o the talent, but _least_ of all techno. Scott (desperately trying not to forsee another, 'then what _is_ techno??' thread) If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist http://www.thingstocome.com). Speaking as someone who knows both Lenny and Oliver, I can tell you that while they don't necessarily LOVE jazzy Detroit Techno, they at least respect it. Unlike the chucklehead Europeans that posted this drivel (I know few Americans outside of Minneapolis who think this way about hardcore) Actually, I think they would be a little disturbed to hear some nut bleating about bad hardcore, and then praise their work. e - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's wrong with different?
Here's the famous quote: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: insticts that men will never understand I'm glad Diana has instincts that men will never understand, I'm even more thankful that my mom had these same instincts. I don't understand why she (Diana) had to feel she needed to apologize for her observation, which is a pretty easy one to see, men not only don't look like women, but different things go on inside us too. duh. really!??! I don't see how it would be so hard for people to accept that we're not all the same. What I want to know in this age of politically-correct hyper-sensitivity is: what is wrong with being different? Tosh
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not related directly to detroit style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) are essentiallly the autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 or 6, I can't remember. A bit of info about Isolee can be found on the Playhouse website. http://www.mad-net.de/ongaku/playhouse/artists7.html Hans -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:13 AM To: Diana Potts; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] downtempo 313? I'd recommend Neil Oliverra's Detroit Escalator Company. A classic. All of the Free Zone comps on SSR have some nice down-tempo offerings, including the oft-313-mentioned Muliplicity of One's and Zero's by Claude Young on Volume III. There was a Fragile record, I believe it's called or has a track called Everything's Gone Pear Shaped. Quite good. John Beltran might fit into this category for you. If you can track down a copy of the Repeat album, it's a must-have. Mark Broom with Plaid. And although it isn't 313, I highly recommend Music For 18 Musicians by Steve Reich. Great orchestrated ambience. Let me know if you want me to dig deeper into the not strictly 313 crates. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: [313] downtempo 313? I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. school me,please. diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/
313 Madness!!
I'm sorry, I was going to keep quiet about this but I'm simply flabbergasted!! I've been away for the past week on a short holiday and, deliberately, not been near a computer to check my mailbox. I left the discussions with everyone raving about the overall success of the DEMF as well as offering constructive insights as to how improvements could be made and how certain performances were better than others in some very valid opinions. Lots of excitement and a general buzz around the D and where we're all heading with it. (Big cheers to Bill VanLoo for a particularly excellent report!) I return today to a load of...shite (frankly) about racism, trance, gabber/hardcore and the death of Detroit?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I have now been on this list for quite a while, but only speak up when I'm really moved to say something...this is now: Racism - never heard such shite in my life. When I'm in a record shop I'm focusing on the sound of the record, the music, the funk. I often have no idea who has made the record, where they come from or what they look like - it makes absolutely no difference! Yes, I agree that the most influential techno (and house) has come from black artists, but who gives a fuck? Let's just remember a certain techno producer's definition of techno as like Kraftwerk and George Clinton stuck in an elevator..., that says it all for me...integration, acceptance, innovation - NO BARRIERS. Gabber/Hardcore - Detroit music is not just about clubland. Techno has always had a wider definition than other forms of dance music in my opinion. Yes, it has its basis and general market on the dancefloor, but one of the reasons I am so passionate about techno is that it is transcends that environment...think Galaxy to Galaxy, Icon, just about all of Songs of Food and Revolutionary Art. Unlike all this stupidly hard and fast hardcoresque stuff, you don't need to be pumped full of amphetamine (or worse) or any other drug to get it. Music affects a person on many levels and dancing is a spontaneous expression of all those emotions. If the music is only intended as a pulsating, hard as fuck, agressive kick-drum, then that's all the emotion you'll get. Mr Dance Extasy (ha ha), I really am not in the business of dissing people and consider myself open minded about ALL forms of music, but you are simply a sad, drugged-up little boy and have no place to comment on music as you evidently don't understand it, any of it. Trance - seems that ship is now sinking anyway. Trance is just crap pop music (in my opinion), now in the hands of the corporates and trundled out to club ponses who go to these super-clubs to be seen and admired with the music as some insignificant factor in the precedings. No soul, no funk, just one blue print track that everyone clones to their own String-pad preset (no. 1 usually) on the latest Korg trance machine, as they've only owned for 1 week, after seeing Paul Van Dyk miming with one on Top of the Pops. Death of Detroit music - Stagnant for the past 9 years, I'm not even going to merit that kind of blanket ignorance with a response...you all know. As for our friend that doesn't seem to know the difference between trance and techno; stop whinging, open your ears, shut your mouth and you might learn. The thing that's so compelling about real techno, I think, is that you can't define it. There are no rules, just innovation and a relentless, creative search for new ideas. It seems to me that techno has taken influences from all overthe world and styles right across the musical spectrum, from jazz to electro-acoustic to disco to classical/romantic to blues to funk and into space. That's progressive, not a so-called narrow-mindedness just because we won't accept trance or whatever other lifeless musical form back into the equation. Here's hoping this is the end of the madness, alas I fear not. Peace and total repect to those that know, don't give it up. Niall. ))\ )) o ___ )) )) (( \(( (( ((_(, (( ((...
Definition of Downtempo
How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=jazzy?
Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
In a message dated 6/18/00 3:16:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Turntables do not cost a lot of money and it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to buy the UR vinyl. Go to www.submerge.com I put my vote in for W.P.A.Seawolf. I already have a turntable and all the UR vinyl. That's not my point. Each UR record costs approx. $5. Double packs are $10+. Fifty records = at least $250. Turntable (decent) = $200+. Good cartridge = $50. Not a feasible investment for someone wanting to check music, not to mention an unrealistic investment if one is not familiar with UR. Matt
RE: [313] 313 Madness!!
Well, that sums up about my idea about all the crap I had to delete from my mailbox the last two weeks as well! Word! As to the discussion about hard techno versus soulfull Detroit stuff: I have both styles in my crates and tons of other stuff ranging from ambient, over wacko stuff by Neil Landstrumm and Justin Berkovi, over electro including Kraftwerk to Drumcodes, The Advent, Johannes Heil etc. I also have quite a lot of house and old stuff like Gary Numan, disco, etc. Be a lttle bit open to all kinds of music and you'll go happier through life. Sometimes I have people over when I sell a couple of my records. It's a pitty to see they only want a certain style and don't even want to listen to anything else. It usually takes them a couple of years to become more open-minded. The longer you have been following this music (and its predecessors) the easier it is to adopt this attitude because you know where it all comes from. I guess we need to give the youngsters who just came into this fascintating world some credit, but the brainless activity that has been displayed on the list for the last two weeks was just too bad. John As far as I am concerned there's good music and bad music in all genres with a number of shades of grey between both. -Original Message- From: Niall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] 313 Madness!! I'm sorry, I was going to keep quiet about this but I'm simply flabbergasted!! I've been away for the past week on a short holiday and, deliberately, not been near a computer to check my mailbox. I left the discussions with everyone raving about the overall success of the DEMF as well as offering constructive insights as to how improvements could be made and how certain performances were better than others in some very valid opinions. Lots of excitement and a general buzz around the D and where we're all heading with it. (Big cheers to Bill VanLoo for a particularly excellent report!) I return today to a load of...shite (frankly) about racism, trance, gabber/hardcore and the death of Detroit?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I have now been on this list for quite a while, but only speak up when I'm really moved to say something...this is now: Racism - never heard such shite in my life. When I'm in a record shop I'm focusing on the sound of the record, the music, the funk. I often have no idea who has made the record, where they come from or what they look like - it makes absolutely no difference! Yes, I agree that the most influential techno (and house) has come from black artists, but who gives a fuck? Let's just remember a certain techno producer's definition of techno as like Kraftwerk and George Clinton stuck in an elevator..., that says it all for me...integration, acceptance, innovation - NO BARRIERS. Gabber/Hardcore - Detroit music is not just about clubland. Techno has always had a wider definition than other forms of dance music in my opinion. Yes, it has its basis and general market on the dancefloor, but one of the reasons I am so passionate about techno is that it is transcends that environment...think Galaxy to Galaxy, Icon, just about all of Songs of Food and Revolutionary Art. Unlike all this stupidly hard and fast hardcoresque stuff, you don't need to be pumped full of amphetamine (or worse) or any other drug to get it. Music affects a person on many levels and dancing is a spontaneous expression of all those emotions. If the music is only intended as a pulsating, hard as fuck, agressive kick-drum, then that's all the emotion you'll get. Mr Dance Extasy (ha ha), I really am not in the business of dissing people and consider myself open minded about ALL forms of music, but you are simply a sad, drugged-up little boy and have no place to comment on music as you evidently don't understand it, any of it. Trance - seems that ship is now sinking anyway. Trance is just crap pop music (in my opinion), now in the hands of the corporates and trundled out to club ponses who go to these super-clubs to be seen and admired with the music as some insignificant factor in the precedings. No soul, no funk, just one blue print track that everyone clones to their own String-pad preset (no. 1 usually) on the latest Korg trance machine, as they've only owned for 1 week, after seeing Paul Van Dyk miming with one on Top of the Pops. Death of Detroit music - Stagnant for the past 9 years, I'm not even going to merit that kind of blanket ignorance with a response...you all know. As for our friend that doesn't seem to know the difference between trance and techno; stop whinging, open your ears, shut your mouth and you might learn. The thing that's so compelling about real techno, I think, is that you can't define it. There are no rules, just innovation and a relentless, creative search for new ideas. It seems to me that techno has taken influences from all overthe world and styles
Re: [313] early electro
i have a real audio mix of early electro up at www.jbucknell.com . look under 'sounds'. there's also a track listing to help you james Patrick Kinzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/16/2000 10:14:46 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: [313] early electro hi there i'm new here and i'm wondering if anyone can recommend some early elctro music besides bambataa. is it me or did electro disapear during the rave years? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Re: UR Vote
If you want to check out music: www.satelliterecords.com www.planetxusa.com www.groovetech.com ... Just to name a few, have archived UR records in .ra for listening (about the same quality as poopy record shop needles). This method is great for learning about and listening to old records you probably won't see again... but going to a record shop, picking up a stack o' wax and just listening all day is priceless. That's typically the best way to go about discovering great music without shelling out cash (although inevitably you'll want to purchase said wax). Hope this helps! Ryan Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: UR Vote In a message dated 6/18/00 3:16:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Turntables do not cost a lot of money and it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to buy the UR vinyl. Go to www.submerge.com I put my vote in for W.P.A.Seawolf. I already have a turntable and all the UR vinyl. That's not my point. Each UR record costs approx. $5. Double packs are $10+. Fifty records = at least $250. Turntable (decent) = $200+. Good cartridge = $50. Not a feasible investment for someone wanting to check music, not to mention an unrealistic investment if one is not familiar with UR. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
trying .... bullshit pt.2
... no matter what you think. to me juan is the shit. especially his old stuff. no matter how other people judge it. i don`t care how many percentage out of a crowd judges carola over m500 at all. these two individuals just aren`t compareable.it`s almost redicilous to name them in one sentence. Those remarks about low budget studios is almost a slap in these person`s face. it´s like saying you need to have money (= good expensive gear) in order to create good music. I bet i don´t have to point out, how i judge this, as other people stated this clear before. Good, deep music is about soul, style and about learning to be original, which has nuthing to do with the equipment used at all. the most expensive gear won`t sound soulfull, if the person playing the gear lack`s it. very often things just turn in the quite opposit direction. most lo-fi productions sound much more well designed round, because people behind the gear get deep with the gear, knowing exactly how to use simple equipment to make it sound full maximum to the point. take terrence dixon for example, his lo-fi recordings are just so well done, one wouldn`t believe that his recent full lenght album on tresor was completly done on a groovebox. i could go on with this forever, but what´s the point some people understand, some people don`t, it`s a damn shame when they try to steal your soul .. And phred, i don`t need you to tell me how to behave or which words i have to use. so, please okay? andy background records
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
It's pretty sad to see someone judge the quality of music by the power of the bass. Too true. We might as well all be listening to Techmaster P.E.B. @ 170db in a dropped mini-truck if we lived in Dance Extacy's world. **WARNING THIS CD MAY CAUSE SPEAKER DAMAGE. ULTRA LOW BASS** -M
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Re: [313] haha i'm done =)
Please eliminate this fool from this list. It's easy to try to have big brazen balls while letting out sexual frustration via a keyboard on a mailing list that you don't belong on. Next time you're in Detroit i challenge you to come up to me and introduce yourself--face to face. I sincerely doubt you have the nuggets little oneespecially in my town. If you are a simple contrary, so be it. But why do you feel compelled to bother us? Do you feel you have something to prove??? Because if you do you should do it to these peoples faces and truly get the Detroit response you are desperately seeking. Trust me, you will find complete satisfaction in that manner and I'll be first in line to show you our hospitality Oh and by the way, I already know my gonads are much bigger than yours and regardless of any superficial response you may have to defend your weakness...it simply is. I will not be baited. Pit-Bitch out! From: Dance Extacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] haha i'm done =) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:11:10 -0700 (PDT) all records sold. =) remember this, detroits dead and going nowhere. rehashing old ideas will never work. hahaaa suckaz *out* __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
Hi C, I was interested in reading your article. Anyway, let me know if you have copies available and i'll give you my address. thanks much, manika On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I just wrote a 4000 word article on techno and gender for Melbourne's Kiss FM (no relation to UK Kiss) magazine Go with previously unpublished quotes from interviews with Jeff Mills, Derrick May, Carl Craig, Dave Angel, Misstress Barbara, HMC, Voiteck and more. It killed me doing it - especially since I had to fit it in with my regular paid work/hustling. This has taken me two years on and off to research and I am currently chasing up extra copies now (in the past I have just got copies for myself, as it's a subscription-only magazine) for those who helped and inspired me (including Detroit's very own wonderful Laura Gavoor on this list who has urged me to push barriers more). If anyone outside of Melbourne is interested, I will see what I can do. Also I would really recommend you check out Jeff Mills' Axis Web site. He held a discussion on this topic and it is archived there - very interesting. Cheers Cyclone I meet people - girls, even - who are into Detroit techno and yet don't know about this list... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
downtempo groovin'
As a longtime fan of nearly every genre of electronic music (well, maybe not gabber or happy hardcore, but still...), I have to say that downtempo has definitely warmed my ears the last few years. Some people confuse trip-hop with downtempo, and frankly, a lot of descriptions depend on who you talk to and where you're living, but I usually think of downtempo as being a bit more abstract, sometimes vocals but if so, sampled and/or looped vocals (not always, however). When I think of a downtempo label, the first one that comes to mind is Ninja Tune. I find that a lot of downtempo stuff has hip-hop elements melded with jazzy stuff, but I also think downtempo has as much to do with a certain type of groove and lifestyle -- namely, smoking pot/ganja/kind buds (et all) and downtempo DEFINITELY plays a big role and enhances the musical vibe. That said, I don't think it's necessary that you smoke the ganj to enjoy downtempo, but the two do go hand in hand. I like stuff from Fila Brazillia (they have yet to release a bad album), Kruder Dorfmeister (which includes offshoots such as Tosca and Peace Orchestra) Thievery Corporation, pretty much anything on Ninja Tune (Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force, Amon Tobin, Jazzanova, Up Bustle Out, Funki Porcini, DJ Food etc.). I think David Holmes' stuff borders on downtempo and it's not that jazzy. Nightmares On Wax is another good one (he even has an album titled Smoker's Delight from '95). And then we haven't even begun to approach the similarities between downtempo and IDM or experimental stuff (aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher), stuff i got into before downtempo reared its friendly head. And you know, you can never go wrong with The Orb, chillmaster supreme. Boards Of Canada are like downtempo and IDM combined and pretty much rule, as well. I'm sure there's stuff that I'm forgetting. And besides recloose, theorem and some of the others you mentioned, I'm sure there's more out there even in 313 land. btw, whatever happened to raves or parties that included Chill-Out Rooms? Used to be there was always a cool-down room, but not so much anymore, which i think is too bad. that be all timmmiP (with a new email address and everything.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:00 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org From: Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Definition of Downtempo Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, = and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=3Djazzy?= ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
downtempo groovin'
As a longtime fan of nearly every genre of electronic music (well, maybe not gabber or happy hardcore, but still...), I have to say that downtempo has definitely warmed my ears the last few years. Some people confuse trip-hop with downtempo, and frankly, a lot of descriptions depend on who you talk to and where you're living, but I usually think of downtempo as being a bit more abstract, sometimes vocals but if so, sampled and/or looped vocals (not always, however). When I think of a downtempo label, the first one that comes to mind is Ninja Tune. I find that a lot of downtempo stuff has hip-hop elements melded with jazzy stuff, but I also think downtempo has as much to do with a certain type of groove and lifestyle -- namely, smoking pot/ganja/kind buds (et all) and downtempo DEFINITELY plays a big role and enhances the musical vibe. That said, I don't think it's necessary that you smoke the ganj to enjoy downtempo, but the two do go hand in hand. I like stuff from Fila Brazillia (they have yet to release a bad album), Kruder Dorfmeister (which includes offshoots such as Tosca and Peace Orchestra) Thievery Corporation, pretty much anything on Ninja Tune (Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force, Amon Tobin, Jazzanova, Up Bustle Out, Funki Porcini, DJ Food etc.). I think David Holmes' stuff borders on downtempo and it's not that jazzy. Nightmares On Wax is another good one (he even has an album titled Smoker's Delight from '95). And then we haven't even begun to approach the similarities between downtempo and IDM or experimental stuff (aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher), stuff i got into before downtempo reared its friendly head. And you know, you can never go wrong with The Orb, chillmaster supreme. Boards Of Canada are like downtempo and IDM combined and pretty much rule, as well. I'm sure there's stuff that I'm forgetting. And besides recloose, theorem and some of the others you mentioned, I'm sure there's more out there even in 313 land. btw, whatever happened to raves or parties that included Chill-Out Rooms? Used to be there was always a cool-down room, but not so much anymore, which i think is too bad. that be all timmmiP (with a new email address and everything.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:00 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org From: Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Definition of Downtempo Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, = and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=3Djazzy?= ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
downtempo groovin'
As a longtime fan of nearly every genre of electronic music (well, maybe not gabber or happy hardcore, but still...), I have to say that downtempo has definitely warmed my ears the last few years. Some people confuse trip-hop with downtempo, and frankly, a lot of descriptions depend on who you talk to and where you're living, but I usually think of downtempo as being a bit more abstract, sometimes vocals but if so, sampled and/or looped vocals (not always, however). When I think of a downtempo label, the first one that comes to mind is Ninja Tune. I find that a lot of downtempo stuff has hip-hop elements melded with jazzy stuff, but I also think downtempo has as much to do with a certain type of groove and lifestyle -- namely, smoking pot/ganja/kind buds (et all) and downtempo DEFINITELY plays a big role and enhances the musical vibe. That said, I don't think it's necessary that you smoke the ganj to enjoy downtempo, but the two do go hand in hand. I like stuff from Fila Brazillia (they have yet to release a bad album), Kruder Dorfmeister (which includes offshoots such as Tosca and Peace Orchestra) Thievery Corporation, pretty much anything on Ninja Tune (Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force, Amon Tobin, Jazzanova, Up Bustle Out, Funki Porcini, DJ Food etc.). I think David Holmes' stuff borders on downtempo and it's not that jazzy. Nightmares On Wax is another good one (he even has an album titled Smoker's Delight from '95). And then we haven't even begun to approach the similarities between downtempo and IDM or experimental stuff (aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher), stuff i got into before downtempo reared its friendly head. And you know, you can never go wrong with The Orb, chillmaster supreme. Boards Of Canada are like downtempo and IDM combined and pretty much rule, as well. I'm sure there's stuff that I'm forgetting. And besides recloose, theorem and some of the others you mentioned, I'm sure there's more out there even in 313 land. btw, whatever happened to raves or parties that included Chill-Out Rooms? Used to be there was always a cool-down room, but not so much anymore, which i think is too bad. that be all timmmiP (with a new email address and everything.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:00 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org From: Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Definition of Downtempo Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, = and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=3Djazzy?= ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
Re: [313] 313 Madness!!
John wrote: As far as I am concerned there's good music and bad music in all genres with a number of shades of grey between both. Couldn't agree more with you. The question is: why is it so hard for people to understand this simple concept, and why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone has exactly the same taste AND respect that? If you enjoy it, it's good music, and if you don't enjoy it, it's bad music... for you. But if someone else likes it, then it's good music for them. We can say whatever we want, but that's how it goes. []s schild
RE: [313] 313 Madness!!
I am an individual, completely different, totally original, 100% authentic just like everyone else. Couldn't agree more with you. The question is: why is it so hard for people to understand this simple concept, and why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone has exactly the same taste AND respect that? If you enjoy it, it's good music, and if you don't enjoy it, it's bad music... for you. But if someone else likes it, then it's good music for them. We can say whatever we want, but that's how it goes. []s schild - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Bombay / BOM 106
If I'm not mistaken, the Roy Davis Jr. 12 is one that you need to hurry and pick up, just to start your week off right. ;) Ones picked up a copy from our friends at Bombay about 2 months ago and it hasn't left his crate since. Twos needs to go get his own copy. Cheers, Tom At Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:22:51 -0400, sqrrt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing from Larry Heard, I'm afraid. Here's the discog so far: Graça, Miguel - Watchalike (BOM101) 12 Carter, Derrick / Nazuka, Chris - A Red Nail Relic (BOM102) 12 Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.1 (BOM103) 12 Nazuka, Chris / Schumacher, Tim - Primary Colours (BOM104) 12 Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.2 (BOM105) 12 Davis, Roy Jr. - Unreleased Basement Traxx (BOM106) 12 The latter which has just been released last week. Haven't even listened to it yet. The best 12 so far IMHO is the Red Nail Relics EP. But I'm an impartial fan of Derrick's (plus, there's a good Fred Everything remix on there), so maybe I'm not the best person to ask. Not much 313 content so far, but who knows what's to come? Hope this helps. Sqrrt. -Original Message- From: Batory, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:02 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] Bombay / MAW Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know if the rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, true? Thanks Respect JasonB - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.
trolls
313'ers lately i've seen a bunch of nasty green (jealous) creatures on 313 a.k.a Trolls... these jealous little folk see something nice that is not in their realm of understanding and they want to go trash it. now we can play their games, or we can start hitting the delete key. i'm choosing the latter. i am using unix, so i have many tools useful for filtering mail, but IIRC MS Outlook, Netscape Communicator, and Eudora Pro all have the ability to filter mail. if you have this ability, filter. if you can't, then hit the delete key. there is too much cool shit on this list for it to be spoiled by one or two people. i understand the desire to educate people about music, but trolls aren't here to be educated. they're here to get attention. don't give it to them. peace, michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org People forget the meaning of the word independent. They want to be different but be accepted. Forget it. I just want to achieve some kind of quality. If I sell 2 copies of a CD I've outsold the Mona Lisa. -- Tom Ellard
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
Hey all: Am compelled to add my 2 cents worth as a senior member on the list Detroit, unlike any other city on the planet in the past 100 years, is solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented revolutions one being with the RB/Motown thaing. It wasn't really rock n' roll but presented as the new pop thing and it broke down racial barriers all over the world where whites and blacks were trying to live together but not doing a very good job of it. In America, the civil rights amendment would NEVER have been passed were it not for Berry Gordy, The Supremes, the Temps, etc. bringing young people together superceding social mores. Moreover, the London music scene would NOT, REPEAT NOT, be what it is today were it not for BOTH the Motown movement and the tech-invasion from Detroit. Why can no one simply understand that these facts, combined with the fact that recognition is VERY slow in coming from the American music machine and overtly negative national and international press about Detroit as a whole, add up to some very serious SELF-PRESERVATION techniques and PRIDE in abundance. I'm surprised to have read in this thread comments unthinkingly uttered about whatever music they were critiquing. It shows, not only a lack of respect but lack of diplomacy in my opinion. Knowing how inflammatory and bu**sh*t the British press are in amending and editing things to appear one way...my vote is still with both the DnB artists in question as they are quite cool. If these comments were truly uttered verbatim as they appeared in print, well then both Bukem and Jack should really chill in harshly criticizing the music from this town as they wouldn't have careers if it weren't for both Detroit's musical history as well as 70's Black music which most of their samples and bass lines are borrowed from. The recording secret technology started here was/is a torch that has been passed on to many. Hopefully most that have picked it up and run with it are mindful of the legacy which is inherently attached from one humble city to the rest of the world. In addition, my foreign friends, you might consider tempering your comments a bit as you clearly do not know your facts. The flow across the Atlantic between London has not been without sacrifice but it is still based in mutual respect for the family of innovators. We still cannot exist without each other. Musical innovation will always find a welcome home in more forward thinking Europe/U.K. markets and we DO need that income and fan/friend base. Equally important to our Euro/British friends is the STUPID, BIG MONEY GRIP that America affords. While Mixmag/UK's cover story of March (I think) was touting the death of Trance, the equally inane Mixer mag in America was covering the Trance Takeover or some such nonsense in the same month. Mindless of any of that, it is a huge money machine now and it isn't going anywhere. It will simply permutate into something MORE hip once the fashion wears off and given an equally trite new moniker as a claim to originality when it was classically and soulfully birthed elsewhere. This you will see, I guarantee it. Detroit is going through that growth right now and it has gone full circle with many of the artists going straight for the Black American music that birthed the whole thing. America is formulaic now, we know this better than anyone else on the planet. Once there was more immediacy to getting music like ours to the general public. However, the same is occuring in London. Radio is becoming corporate programmed over there now and it is squeezing out an important communication vehicle in favor of BIG MONEY. Don't any of you realize that you're being PROPAGANDIZED?? Each and every one of us in this rapidly growing corporate underground must be both educators and keepers of the faith and maintain our unity. The Family must mind the Family and squash any silly bickering that will impede our movement. Else we'll go the way of both the dinosaurs and rock n' roll. It is the Imitators, not the Innovators that historically get all the credit.Since London has Dance music press up the ying-yang...that is a foregone conclusion none could argue with. Just don't jam it down our throats when you have no historical reference or education. It is just because Detroit does not have the proximity perks of the music press in our own backyards that makes our successes that much more 1. ASTOUNDING!!! and 2. Hard won. Detroit changed the world twice with no assistance from anyone on the planet. No other city can claim such power or influence over modern music, fashion or youth culture. The truth speaks for itselfand I am dumbfounded by the ignore-ance of this thread. L Although I am not a expert on America's history of rock, I do know that one reason why rock had a hard time catching on outside of younger crowds was
Re: [313] trolls
I think they've all gone home or taken some tranquillisers or something. I haven't seen a nasty mail for a while, just a few stupid ones. I can't understand that Dance Extacy tho. Why subscribe to a Detroit techno mailing list if you just wanna diss the scene? The comments made were blatantly meant for one thing, to cause trouble. Talking about hardcore or trance or dissing detroit in it's own hood is like rolling a pork pie down the aisle of a synagogue... expect to get slaughtered... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- michael thomas coyote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 313'ers lately i've seen a bunch of nasty green (jealous) creatures on 313 a.k.a Trolls... these jealous little folk see something nice that is not in their realm of understanding and they want to go trash it. now we can play their games, or we can start hitting the delete key. i'm choosing the latter. i am using unix, so i have many tools useful for filtering mail, but IIRC MS Outlook, Netscape Communicator, and Eudora Pro all have the ability to filter mail. if you have this ability, filter. if you can't, then hit the delete key. there is too much cool shit on this list for it to be spoiled by one or two people. i understand the desire to educate people about music, but trolls aren't here to be educated. they're here to get attention. don't give it to them. peace, michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org People forget the meaning of the word independent. They want to be different but be accepted. Forget it. I just want to achieve some kind of quality. If I sell 2 copies of a CD I've outsold the Mona Lisa. -- Tom Ellard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Diana Potts wrote: I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional techno house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about further back or ones who are less publicized? Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are suggested-please let me know. 3 Minute Blunts compilation, put together by Terrence Parker, who has been known to crank cubase down below 120bpm hisself to good effect.
RE: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented revolutions one being with the RB/Motown thaing. It wasn't why did not you add punk ? MC5, Iggy Pop The Stooges... Gwendal
I-F mix cd
Hello everyone, I have just joined the 313 crew and would like to know if anybody could forward me the track listing for I-F's much talked about Mixed up in the Hague. I would really appreciate it. -e
RE: [313] baby ford...
Check the following URL for news on Baby Ford's Ifach label who have a new mix CD out at the moment which I recommend: Technoir (IFACH CD2) Mix CD by Dj EON http://www.hyperreal.org/music/bford/ifach/news.html See other directories for other Pure Plastic/Ifach/trelik news. matt -Original Message- From: Sanderson Dear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2000 06:11 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] baby ford... a quick question: i know peter ford has released a track on perlon recently (DON'T HAVE IT IN MY GRUBBY HANDS YET) and he did something with Eon that appears on the hawtin disc, otherwise what else has he done since his acid house days? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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