Re: [313] downtempo Isolee?
And His L.P. "Rest" on Playhouse is perrtty freakin' amazin'. :) derek. On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, FRED MCMURRY wrote: > Re: > >Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not related directly to detroit > >style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) are essentiallly the > >autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 or 6, I can't remember. > > > >Scott > > Isolee is Rajko Muller. He records on Playhouse primarily. A fantastic > dp house label. The big one he did recently was Beau Mot Plage, > originally on Playhouse but re-released on Classic records with remixes by > DJ Q and others. Rajko Muller also remixed Blaze's Lovely Dae also on > Playhouse.You can find connections to them by going to > http://www.mad-net.de/data/labels.html > > Fred > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Capricorn - 20 Hz
I'm not sure if that's it. I used to have it on a crap compilation and it doesn't sound the same. Maybe I had a weird remix? Not particularly by the mix Stacey Pullen played though if it is a different mix... Tristan == PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, "Québécois", online now. -Original Message- From: Stewart Moroney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: tommy smalls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [313] track id (again) >20Hz by Capricorn on R&S > >Stewart > >> -Original Message- >> From: tommy smalls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 16 June 2000 23:57 >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [313] track id (again) >> >> >> Thought i'd try posting 1 more time 'cause i'm not the only one >> who wants to know: >> >> Stacey Pullen @ DEMF (part 2) >> starts at about 43 minutes in (marching drums) >> >> thx. >> > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
Hey, I just remembered that Playhouse is also a Frankfurt label. Home to Isolee (whose full length "Rest" is fabulous techno/house/electro), Bodo Eisel, Lo Soul, Soylent Green, and some others. It's a sister label to Klang Elektronik and Ongaku Musik. More info at http://www.mad-net.de/ Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Frankfurt scene Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:57:57 +0200 Whoops, ambient releases, esp. ambient stuff. That's like two times the same thing. Aarggh, it's Monday and you don't have to tell me why I hate that. So, as I tried to say: GEM Office has decent releases esp. their ambient/downtempo stuff. John (back to the land of dreams) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Frankfurt scene I believe Patrick Lindsey is actually from Austria, Vienna if I'm not mistaken... General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! John -Original Message- From: c myster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene Harthouse was(is?) in Offenbach, Germany according to 1996 "the Phat Jive" Sleeve Where's Patrick Lindsey from? He's one funky mofo. What's he up to now? > Wasn't Harthouse based in Frankfurt as well? Eye-Q? Derrick's Strings of life b side still slayin me after all these years. Especially the unnamed track in the middle. 909+Flanger+Derrick's funkin funk+a little more effects!= timeless techno oops i said the T word.:P works great into some Mplant stuff and out of any mills. or anything else for that matter. Get to spin hard and/or funky technoee stuff in front of mainstream audience tommorrow should be interesting to see reaction to some classic Saunderson, Mills, Pullen, etc. tracks. so if anyone's around White Bear Lake, Minnesota manana. Check Me out. Bouncin my body to the box on this list since 96 Mystro-- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] downtempo
>> 2000 Black - deep, abstract breakbeat fusion from >> the 4 Hero extended >> family, another of my favourite labels... > loadsa stuff I want off here... The Domu and Seiji EPs (numbers 5 and 7 on the label respectively) are the two totally essential ones - the Domu was my favourite record of 1999 by a mile (although I didn't get hold of it until this year!) and the Seiji is top contender for 2K at the moment :) >> Archive - slightly more D-flavoured future-classic >> techno, look out for the >> upcoming Nubian Mindz LP and Theo Parrish EP... > STILL trying to find the New Season trilogy... Well worth hunting down. Everything on Archive is, actually - finally managed to plug the gaps in my collection and now I have everything... >> ...Visions... > > The first release on this label, by Mustang, is > awesome. Pity I can't obtain it. This is my other contender for record of the year so far - Alex Attias is in a league of his own. Visions is his own label, and the second release is equally awesome, by him and Dego under the alias Plutonia - should be out very soon. The first one is in stock in Smallfish, or was on Thursday at least (check www.smallfish.co.uk for shop contact info). Quite a bit of the Archive/2000 Black catalogue was there too... >> ...Seiji... > > Bought his "Second Nature" on Bitasweet. Funky as > fuck... this is the first tune Dego plays at his DEMF > set... The Seiji & G-Force LP 'Just Another Number' from last year on Reinforced is well worth tracking down, plenty more in this vein and it's a real grower... > Now, to the point, does ANYONE know of any online > vinyl mail order sites where I can get this > stuff?!?!?!? It's really difficult getting any of the > releases I want in the North East of the UK. It's all > charty cheese and ultra hard stuff. I want the funk!!! Apart from Smallfish, there's Vinyl Junkies in Soho which specialises in this sound at the moment (along with all the ultra-expensive Flower Records Japanses imports). Also Catapult in Cardiff (my local - http://www.catapult.co.uk) has recently done a big re-stock of the Archive, 2000 Black, Laws of Motion etc back catalogues - you'll have to move fast though cos they only ordered one or two copies of most of it and me and my mates have been grabbing a lot of it! Plus there's Rush Hour in Amsterdam who do mail-order and have most of this stuff in stock I believe... Hope this helps - feel free to mail me if you want more info, Tom
[313] downtempo Isolee?
Re: Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not related directly to detroit style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) are essentiallly the autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 or 6, I can't remember. Scott Isolee is Rajko Muller. He records on Playhouse primarily. A fantastic dp house label. The big one he did recently was Beau Mot Plage, originally on Playhouse but re-released on Classic records with remixes by DJ Q and others. Rajko Muller also remixed Blaze's Lovely Dae also on Playhouse.You can find connections to them by going to http://www.mad-net.de/data/labels.html Fred Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] FW: new virus
-- Off topic, apologies in advance - but since it came up, I'd hate to see people practice unsafe hex: I own and operate a 30+ system network with tons of e-mail being shot around the offices across two cities and the rest of the world, our policy is: Do not open ANY attachments that you are not otherwise expecting - EVER - regardless of the type of attachment. Find alternate ways of swapping files (using some spot on your Intranet is far better than shuttling things around through e-mail) and make a habit of never sending or receiving attachments. With such a policy in place, not only will your mail server thank you, but you also end up keeping a neat (and easily backed up) repository of files, AND you don't have to send an annoying new e-mail to everyone once a week telling them about the latest virus. Ideally, all e-mail's with attachments get filtered and trashed before they ever get opened - e-mail with attachments is evil, no matter which way you cut it :) -- >just thought i would help you guys out with a little something i got from my >network administratoir. >jeff > > > >"THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" > -George Clinton > >> Subject: new virus >> >> We have just been notified of a new virus out that is coming in via email, >> if you recieve any email with an shs attachment do not open it and contact >> a lan administrator as soon as possible to identify the source. >> >> R/IT2(SW) > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! General Electronic Music (GEM), Hey Babe!, Planet Vision (Pascal FEOS's label), Elektrolux, PV is all under the same group of people, most notably Gabriel Le Mar, Alex Azary, Dariush Azary, and Michael Kohlbecker. This quote was taken from http://www.franken.de./users/tursa/Saafi_discog.html about how Elektrolux was started "We did many things with Sven Väth, and he suggested to us to make our own label. In this way he was a kind of godfather for Elektrolux. At the same time Gabriel and I worked in the studio, we also did tracks with Pascal F.E.O.S. (who is also a part of Resistance D). So we founded Elektrolux where we released our Aural Float album." Alex Azary, VIVA television interview, Feb/1998. I just picked up the Index ID cd "Schlafphase" which is a great blend of ambient, Infiniti-ish techno crossed with Tejada style house, and cool Frankfurt dub influences. The packaging of the CDs are excellent and very resource conscious. The artwork on these CDs and records are fabulous every day images that are hightend and made very mysterious. Future music. Works well with the real late-night lush Detroit music. They also produce good dub, electro and ambient. Fred Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] essential downtempo 313?
For that matter, check out DJ Marathon's set at DEMF. Although I missed it when I was there, it holds up quite nicely at groovetech. Fun for the whole family... Tristan == PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, "Québécois", online now. -Original Message- From: William VanLoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diana Potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:37 AM Subject: [313] essential downtempo 313? >Diana Potts wrote: >> >> SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am >> aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about >> further back or ones who are less publicized? > >The tracks that immediately come to mind when you say "downtempo 313" >are Shake's. Each of his records on Frictional have at least one >downtempo track on them, and they usually end up being my favorite on >the record. "Detroit State of Mind" and "Travelers" are especially good >(from the "Waiting for Russell" and "Tracks for My Father" 12"s, >respectively). It's a shame nobody has compiled his downtempo >material...does the "Mr. Shakir's Beat Shop" (on Tresor, was it?) come >close to this? > >Also mentioned was Neil Olliviera's "Soundtrack (313)" on Ferox from a >few years back. This is also essential downtempo 313 material. It's >harder to find, but worth it. > >I would also put forth all of Recloose's material, as you already >mentioned, with a special nod to "Insomnia in Dub" and "Absence of One" >(from the "Spelunking" and "Absence of One 12"s, both on Planet E). > >Jason Hogans's "Peter and The Rooster" on Planet E is in the same vein, >though I think Jason's *next* record will be the one to look out for. I >haven't heard it, and I don't even know if it's finished...but judging >from his DEMF performance, and this feeling I have, I think his second >record will be excellent. > > >Cheers, > >Bill > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
FW: new virus
just thought i would help you guys out with a little something i got from my network administratoir. jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton > Subject: new virus > > We have just been notified of a new virus out that is coming in via email, > if you recieve any email with an shs attachment do not open it and contact > a lan administrator as soon as possible to identify the source. > > R/IT2(SW)
i.d.
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RE: [313] Desire
this track is originally released on the 69 e.p. "lite music" on belgium r&s records, including "jam the box" and "desire" on side a, "my machines" and "microlovr" are found on the flipside. "lite music" and 69's "sound on sound" e.p. were later coupled as the "the sound of music" compilation, as well released on r&s. pretty hard to find on vinyl, the cd you might get from hardwax, berlin. it is listed under their essential cd's. hope it helps, m. > -Original Message- > From: Stewart Moroney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Montag, 19. Juni 2000 23:35 > To: 313 > Subject: [313] Desire > > > Does anyone have any details on the 69 track "Desire". What ep/album was > this featured on and most importantly, where can I get a copy? > > Stewart > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] More stupid flames in response to stupid flames
From: Lennox Lennox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >One thing I agree with him on for sure is that the junglist guy is a moron. >He dosen't have a clue as to what he's talking about. >He's a happy jungle turned detroit newbie all of a sudden. How retarded is >that? hold up now Lennox Lennox...you dont even know Vince. any way who are you. ive never seen your name around 313?? you really cant say much with a name like "nightstalker"..so what if vince has "junglist" for his email account.. He is very educated on techno.. VINCE DOESNT FUCK AROUND like you are assuming he is!! hes strait up buisness. your comments are not appreciated. and next year at DEMF we just might throw you, RAVEREXSTACEY and DEVEN or whatever his name is in the river rb Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] track id (again)
20Hz by Capricorn on R&S Stewart > -Original Message- > From: tommy smalls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 June 2000 23:57 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [313] track id (again) > > > Thought i'd try posting 1 more time 'cause i'm not the only one > who wants to know: > > Stacey Pullen @ DEMF (part 2) > starts at about 43 minutes in (marching drums) > > thx. >
Desire
Does anyone have any details on the 69 track "Desire". What ep/album was this featured on and most importantly, where can I get a copy? Stewart
RE: [313] WTF?
i say they just give him the boot til he gets back. when he gets back he can re subscribe "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton > -Original Message- > From: Hugh G. Blaze [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:36 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] WTF? > > I'm really sick of deleting this message every freakin'' time I post to > the > list. I would suggest (as others have) that the list admin. contact Mr. > Sanford and ask him to straighten out whatever needs to be straightened in > > order to correct this situation. > Thank you. > > > > >Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: > > > >Jeff Sanford (Mailbox or Conference is full.) > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
Speaking of Rainer Truby, the Rootdown 99 lp is a MUST. Jazzy, Latin tinged downbeat bliss. jeff Otto Koppius wrote: > Diana Potts wrote: > > > > I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records.. > Artists: Rainer Truby..., > > Otto > > - -- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008
Re: [313] downtempo groovin'
Not 313 artists, but check out 2 Lone Swordsmen's "A Virus With Shoes" for slightly twisted downtempo (um...I'd say Virus is to downtempo what Bag of Blue Sparks was to elecrto, if that makes any sense). Most everyone else brought forth the things I would have mentioned except maybe for Vibert in his various guises and a good chunk of the Pussyfoot label (I especially liked the "Sie" record). jeff > -- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008
Re: [313] 313 Downtempo
check out Dan Bell's track on Intuit-Solar. It's by far one of my favorite tracks. jurren Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
WTF?
I'm really sick of deleting this message every freakin'' time I post to the list. I would suggest (as others have) that the list admin. contact Mr. Sanford and ask him to straighten out whatever needs to be straightened in order to correct this situation. Thank you. Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Jeff Sanford (Mailbox or Conference is full.) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, laura gavoor wrote: +Detroit changed the world twice with no assistance from anyone on the +planet. i agreed with your post, except for the above statement. i'm pretty sure detroit changed the world more than twice. i'm pretty sure fargo also changed the world more than twice... the world is a busy place, and it's a wonder anyone still keeps count. nothing is completely original or independent, and detroit is no exception... though i can understand how it would seem so through the eyes of someone from detroit. what kind of recognition does detroit really need anyways? what was it they said about imitation? detroit is bold, imho, but also insecure... take the advice given to jeanie bueller in the cop shop. loved those "fuck trance" t-shirts at demf, btw. peace, chad _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hyperreal.org/~chad there is no zen. -
RE: [313] Bombay / BOM 106
313, I've found that all of the bombay records are quality releases. BUt My favorite thus far is the first one. Whatuclike is the hot. I actually had to take it out of my bag, becuase I was playing it to ofen. Jwan Allen www.hypervinyl.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ What are you into? Win gear, movies, gadgets, and games from IGN.com Check 'em out -> http://www.igncontests.com Absolutely NO purchase required.
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
thats minimal, at least by my own definations. I should have made myself more clearer- when i meant was more on the trip hop/jazzy tip, thats why i mentioned Kyoto Jazz Massive and the Suzuki EP. diana From: FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] downtempo 313? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:51:32 -0700 anyone think of mentioning that Richie Hawtin project from 96??? the one that had a record released every month??? i think that may be considered downtempo. and i enjoy it too! jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Old recording techniques...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but I admit that many of them are poorly produced, the writing isn't all that great, and they do not really work in a modern context. I love them because they sound so old, so primitive, and because in many ways they laid the groundwork for so much of what came after... Andy replied: sorry, man. but this rubbish. early m500/metroplex is surely not poorly produced at all. juan`s early works still kick ass in 2000 and will still be working in ANY modern context beyond the year 00, while any modern type 4/4 bangtech all sound alike music is almost forgotten once the dj enters the next one in the mix... and Askew commented: I'd have to agree with Andy here. Some early techno records might have raw production, mixing and muddy pressings, but these records are also full of the kind of raw expression (soul) that's so hard to find in 'modern' techno. Sure... in some of his production work the edits and mixing are a little loose, but he was doing it all live. And if I was making music that good I'd be getting a little carried away too! :) There's a difference producing music with a portastudio or with a reel-to-reel tapemachine, than it is with a digital system. It's so easy to put a shit loop going thru a digital Yamaha mixer to hard disk-recorder, then make perfect edits and tricks workin' hours and hours in front of your screen. Of course you can make "better" sounding music like that!!! I'd rather listen to lo-fi tracks with tape hiss, tracks that have emotion and trying, than to listen to these clinical super produced 909-kick tracks. They can be good now and then, but THEY'RE BASICALLY TOOLS, these mono-tracks and such... (Not dissin' Mills) And what's "modern context"? If you can't make old tracks work with the new ones, you gotta ask yourself are you a good DJ? Should you be doin' this at all? It is unfortunate to say, but the truth is that none of these new tracks/tools are gonna last as they're own. Maybe as a genre they will be recognized from 20 years from now, but who is Marco Carola in 2020? I'm not saying that Model 500 songs will be necessarely recognized either, but I think they have a better chance, BECAUSE THEY ARE SONG BASED. OK, maybe loosely so, but they do have changes in they're structure that put them in the song category... Thus making them more accessible to the (western) ear. I know it is liberating to think that now the "barriers" between real musicians and "amateurs" are vanished, that mass-acceptance is now possible, but it's also showing us that real musical skill are still something to be trained for. Even that may not be enough. If someone thinks that the person writing this is showing off his "perfect pitch" or something, you couldn't be more wrong. I can't read notes, can't play any instruments or think perfect melodies. But if I ever make music, I'll try not to get away as easy as possible, puttin' a loop to play and going drinking my coffee as the DAT rolls Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] larkin track(s)...
Loop and Catatonic were the only singles from Metaphor, as far back as I can remember. By far my favourite techno album of all time, very dynamic and well thought out. Anyone know what Kenny's been up to since the Dark Comedy album on Elypsia? Another good album, anyone who doesn't own some of this mans work and likes the Detroit sound, should buy it up. I traded a copy of Fumiya Tanaka's Unknown Possibilities for a very used copy of Larkin's Metaphor (which was one of the first full on techno cds I ever purchased) on vinyl in Spain. I'll never look back on that trade. FC3 Richards wrote: > i have a plus 8 white label fro "We Shall Overcome" i think the only > reason it was released on Plus 8 is because of all the Remixes on it. > jeff > > > > "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" > -George Clinton > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sanderson Dear [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:55 PM > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [313] larkin track(s)... > > > > anyone know how many singles were released from kenny's "metaphor" album? > > i know of just "loop" and "catatonic". > > > > did he ever release anything on his own imprint? > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Detroit, London, er Manchester
I find it interesting that you chose London as the UK city to compare with Detroit, while Manchester holds just as important a place in UK / European culture and has more in common with Detroit. I guess its no surprise that both soul music and techno sold around Manchester before it sold around London. Nick Hardie DiscoTech [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: laura gavoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: 19 June 2000 17:12 Subject: Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone' > Hey all: > > Am compelled to add my 2 cents worth as a senior member on the list > > Detroit, unlike any other city on the planet in the past 100 years, is > solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented > revolutions one being with the R&B/Motown thaing. It wasn't really rock n' > roll but presented as the new pop thing and it broke down racial barriers > all over the world where whites and blacks were trying to live together but > not doing a very good job of it. > > In America, the civil rights amendment would NEVER have been passed were it > not for Berry Gordy, The Supremes, the Temps, etc. bringing young people > together superceding social mores. > > Moreover, the London music scene would NOT, REPEAT NOT, be what it is today > were it not for BOTH the Motown movement and the tech-invasion from Detroit. > Why can no one simply understand that these facts, combined with the fact > that recognition is VERY slow in coming from the American music machine and > overtly negative national and international press about Detroit as a whole, > add up to some very serious SELF-PRESERVATION techniques and PRIDE in > abundance. > > I'm surprised to have read in this thread comments unthinkingly uttered > about whatever music they were critiquing. It shows, not only a lack of > respect but lack of diplomacy in my opinion. Knowing how inflammatory and > bu**sh*t the British press are in amending and editing things to appear one > way...my vote is still with both the DnB artists in question as they are > quite cool. If these comments were truly uttered verbatim as they appeared > in print, well then both Bukem and Jack should really chill in harshly > criticizing the music from this town as they wouldn't have careers if it > weren't for both Detroit's musical history as well as 70's Black music which > most of their samples and bass lines are borrowed from. > > The recording "secret technology" started here was/is a torch that has been > passed on to many. Hopefully most that have picked it up and run with it > are mindful of the legacy which is inherently attached from one humble city > to the rest of the world. > > In addition, my foreign friends, you might consider tempering your comments > a bit as you clearly do not know your facts. The flow across the Atlantic > between London has not been without sacrifice but it is still based in > mutual respect for the family of innovators. We still cannot exist without > each other. Musical innovation will always find a welcome home in more > forward thinking Europe/U.K. markets and we DO need that income and > fan/friend base. Equally important to our Euro/British friends is the > STUPID, BIG MONEY GRIP that America affords. > > While Mixmag/UK's cover story of March (I think) was touting the death of > Trance, the equally inane Mixer mag in America was covering the "Trance > Takeover" or some such nonsense in the same month. Mindless of any of that, > it is a huge money machine now and it isn't going anywhere. It will simply > permutate into something MORE hip once the "fashion" wears off and given an > equally trite new moniker as a claim to originality when it was classically > and soulfully birthed elsewhere. This you will see, I guarantee it. > > Detroit is going through that growth right now and it has gone full circle > with many of the artists going straight for the Black American music that > birthed the whole thing. America is formulaic now, we know this better than > anyone else on the planet. Once there was more immediacy to getting music > like ours to the general public. However, the same is occuring in London. > Radio is becoming corporate programmed over there now and it is squeezing > out an important communication vehicle in favor of BIG MONEY. > > Don't any of you realize that you're being PROPAGANDIZED?? Each and every > one of us in this rapidly growing "corporate underground" must be both > educators and keepers of the faith and maintain our unity. The "Family" > must mind the Family and squash any silly bickering that will impede our > movement. Else we'll go the way of both the dinosaurs and rock n' roll. > > It is the Imitators, not the Innovators that historically get all the > credit.Since London has Dance music press up the ying-yang...that is a > foregone conclusion none could argue with. Just don't jam it down our > throats when you have no historical reference or ed
Re: [313] Trying....
I'm a 16 year old girl that's only been into techno for around 2 years and I love early techno I hear all my older friends pumping in little house parties. They think it's cheesy and funny sometimes and reminisce, but I love it! +|~Christine~|+ In a message dated 6/18/00 4:31:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > my only problem is finding records > > that are pre 1990. > > I think that is part of the reason why you may disagree with Cyclones > post about people not liking early techno. When I think of those early > records(play it cool by M500 comes to mind) I can understand exactly why > a 16 year old who just got into techno would not like it. > > If you were raised on post '91 techno, those early metroplex records > might be difficult to get your head around. Honestly, I love those > records, but I admit that many of them are poorly produced, the writing > isn't all that great, and they do not really work in a modern context. I > love them because they sound so old, so primitive, and because in many > ways they laid the groundwork for so much of what came after. I like > them because they are history pieces, and I judge them on that basis. > > When it comes to immediate gratification, I understand why people would > prefer filter house or Mills'y stuff to very early Detroit records. Most > people do not listen to records because of their historical > significance. I think those records are great, but I understand why > people might not like them. I will also admit that 3 years ago if I had > to choose between Ocean to Ocean, or a Regis record, I would have picked > Regis. > Some people will be into it, and some will not, it isn't anything to > sweat over. > > Big Fun still sounds great to me, and I think Derrick May's music will > continue to date well. There are other records that are only going to > work as nostalgia pieces. Some people will dig that sound, and other > people will not grasp it. I do think that those early records might not > be the easiest thing for people to get into when it comes to Techno. > Mills seems alot more immediate to me than Bang The Party on Transmat. > > take care, > mike > >
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
anyone think of mentioning that Richie Hawtin project from 96??? the one that had a record released every month??? i think that may be considered downtempo. and i enjoy it too! jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
on 6/19/00 12:25 PM, Gwendal Cobert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented >> revolutions one being with the R&B/Motown thaing. It wasn't > why did not you add punk ? MC5, Iggy Pop & The Stooges... > Gwendal This is actually a good point, and one we've struggled with before. When you say "Detroit" and "contribution to music", you can argue that Bob Seger belongs there, and Ted Nugent, as well as Diana Ross, Iggy, and Kevin Saunderson. What Laura seemed to be doing in her post was drawing the natural non-geographic parallels between Motown and Detroit Techno (the start-up independent label, predominantly African-American owners, producers and talent, etc.) Well, Seger and Nugent don't fit this mold, so we'll drop them. But Iggy might still count as a "rule-breaker" Detroit export--an original that allowed for a notable UK mutation. Nevermind the bollocks... -- There4IM (nice post Laura)
RE: [313] larkin track(s)...
i have a plus 8 white label fro "We Shall Overcome" i think the only reason it was released on Plus 8 is because of all the Remixes on it. jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton > -Original Message- > From: Sanderson Dear [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:55 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] larkin track(s)... > > anyone know how many singles were released from kenny's "metaphor" album? > i know of just "loop" and "catatonic". > > did he ever release anything on his own imprint? > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree?
don't forget about the people out of Milwakee...home of the Drop Bass Network. but i know they respect techno and house just by the fliers of the parties that they throw. they have house and techno at thier parties. and they are smart enough to keep trance away jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton > -Original Message- > From: Elliot Taub [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:52 AM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree? > > > > If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like > lenny > > > dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the > horrorist > > > http://www.thingstocome.com). > > > > lenny dee still plays disco loft classics in nyc on the odd > occasion...so > > much for your purist. > > Speaking as someone who knows both Lenny and Oliver, I can tell you that > while > they don't necessarily LOVE jazzy Detroit Techno, they at least respect > it. > Unlike the chucklehead Europeans that posted this drivel (I know few > Americans > outside of Minneapolis who think this way about hardcore) > > Actually, I think they would be a little disturbed to hear some nut > bleating > about bad hardcore, and then praise their work. > > e > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [313] R-tyme... "Use me"
oops...read the question wrong. sorry to fill everyones digest and mail box with crap. jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton
RE: [313] R-tyme... "Use me"
it is on the Derrick May Innovator box set. both vinyl and CD jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton > -Original Message- > From: Peter T. Bense [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:10 PM > To: 313 > Subject: [313] R-tyme... "Use me" > > > Hey fellow 313'ers. > > Long time, no post. > > I have been trying to track down this track... for a long time... either > on > 12" or on a cd compilation or -something-. > > Does anyone know where I can find a copy? > > Muchly obliged, > > > /Peter > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" party
From: "detroit science" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" party Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:49:26 EDT I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two years ago. little known fact: his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a dat. the keyboard was just a prop. oliver was just using a microphone. the promoter was told it was going to be a live pa and found out the truth at the airport. after his set i dragged him outside and made him drink jaeger with me and asked for an explanation. he said that it was "too hard" to do a live pa. wtf? now, remember the set that mike clark played after oliver's little charade? old skool hip hop dj skills matched with banging techno and house... take care, linda g Just goes to show you: sweeping generalizations about genres are never legit. "Oh all hardcore producers are ultra-talented" you say? Too bad Mr. Chesler foud performing a live p.a. "too hard." I wonder how Richie Hawtin would respond to the question "Are live p.a.s too difficult to pull off?" Or how do you think Mr. Mills answer that question? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two years ago. little known fact: his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a dat. the keyboard was just a prop. oliver was just using a microphone. the promoter was told it was going to be a live pa and found out the truth at the airport. after his set i dragged him outside and made him drink jaeger with me and asked for an explanation. he said that it was "too hard" to do a live pa. wtf? now, remember the set that mike clark played after oliver's little charade? old skool hip hop dj skills matched with banging techno and house... take care, linda g Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree?
I had a conversation exactly about this subject with Oliver about two months ago, and though my memory isn't that good, he did express a respect for Detroit Techno (though he also expressed a preference for hard, German Techno). Oliver is a hyper troublemaker at heart, though. I can see him saying anything that came to his head in order to keep people at a show. e Scott MacInnis wrote: > Are you joking?? Oliver Chesler was chanting praises for detroit while > throwing out free T-shirts and CDs during his (their) live set under the > bridge and _still_ couldn't keep people from leaving. I put this guy akin > to skinny puppy or FLA w/o the talent, but _least_ of all techno. > > Scott (desperately trying not to forsee another, 'then what _is_ techno??' > thread) > > > > Speaking as someone who knows both Lenny and Oliver, I can tell > > you that while > > they don't necessarily LOVE jazzy Detroit Techno, they at least > > respect it. > > > Unlike the chucklehead Europeans that posted this drivel (I know > > few Americans > > outside of Minneapolis who think this way about hardcore) > > > > Actually, I think they would be a little disturbed to hear some > > nut bleating > > about bad hardcore, and then praise their work. > > > > e > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [313] baby ford...
Check the following URL for news on Baby Ford's Ifach label who have a new mix CD out at the moment which I recommend: Technoir (IFACH CD2) Mix CD by Dj EON http://www.hyperreal.org/music/bford/ifach/news.html See other directories for other Pure Plastic/Ifach/trelik news. matt -Original Message- From: Sanderson Dear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2000 06:11 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] baby ford... a quick question: i know peter ford has released a track on perlon recently (DON'T HAVE IT IN MY GRUBBY HANDS YET) and he did something with Eon that appears on the hawtin disc, otherwise what else has he done since his acid house days? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-F mix cd
Hello everyone, I have just joined the 313 crew and would like to know if anybody could forward me the track listing for I-F's much talked about Mixed up in the Hague. I would really appreciate it. -e
RE: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented > revolutions one being with the R&B/Motown thaing. It wasn't why did not you add punk ? MC5, Iggy Pop & The Stooges... Gwendal
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Diana Potts wrote: > > I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the > Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional > techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin > music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) > > SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am > aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about > further back or ones who are less publicized? > > Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are > suggested-please let me know. > > 3 Minute Blunts compilation, put together by Terrence Parker, who has been known to crank cubase down below 120bpm hisself to good effect.
Re: [313] trolls
I think they've all gone home or taken some tranquillisers or something. I haven't seen a nasty mail for a while, just a few stupid ones. I can't understand that Dance Extacy tho. Why subscribe to a "Detroit techno" mailing list if you just wanna diss the scene? The comments made were blatantly meant for one thing, to cause trouble. Talking about hardcore or trance or dissing detroit in it's own hood is like rolling a pork pie down the aisle of a synagogue... expect to get slaughtered... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- michael thomas coyote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 313'ers > > lately i've seen a bunch of nasty green (jealous) > creatures on 313 > a.k.a Trolls... these jealous little folk see > something nice that is > not in their realm of understanding and they want to > go trash it. > > now we can play their games, or we can start hitting > the delete key. > > i'm choosing the latter. > > i am using unix, so i have many tools useful for > filtering mail, but > IIRC MS Outlook, Netscape Communicator, and Eudora > Pro all have the > ability to filter mail. > > if you have this ability, filter. if you can't, then > hit the delete key. > there is too much cool shit on this list for it to > be spoiled by one or two > people. > > i understand the desire to educate people about > music, but trolls aren't here > to be educated. they're here to get attention. > don't give it to them. > > peace, > > michael > > > > > -- > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 > u: www.ele-mental.org > "People forget the meaning of the word independent. > They want to be different > but be accepted. Forget it. I just want to achieve > some kind of quality. If > I sell 2 copies of a CD I've outsold the Mona Lisa." > -- Tom Ellard > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
Hey all: Am compelled to add my 2 cents worth as a senior member on the list Detroit, unlike any other city on the planet in the past 100 years, is solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented revolutions one being with the R&B/Motown thaing. It wasn't really rock n' roll but presented as the new pop thing and it broke down racial barriers all over the world where whites and blacks were trying to live together but not doing a very good job of it. In America, the civil rights amendment would NEVER have been passed were it not for Berry Gordy, The Supremes, the Temps, etc. bringing young people together superceding social mores. Moreover, the London music scene would NOT, REPEAT NOT, be what it is today were it not for BOTH the Motown movement and the tech-invasion from Detroit. Why can no one simply understand that these facts, combined with the fact that recognition is VERY slow in coming from the American music machine and overtly negative national and international press about Detroit as a whole, add up to some very serious SELF-PRESERVATION techniques and PRIDE in abundance. I'm surprised to have read in this thread comments unthinkingly uttered about whatever music they were critiquing. It shows, not only a lack of respect but lack of diplomacy in my opinion. Knowing how inflammatory and bu**sh*t the British press are in amending and editing things to appear one way...my vote is still with both the DnB artists in question as they are quite cool. If these comments were truly uttered verbatim as they appeared in print, well then both Bukem and Jack should really chill in harshly criticizing the music from this town as they wouldn't have careers if it weren't for both Detroit's musical history as well as 70's Black music which most of their samples and bass lines are borrowed from. The recording "secret technology" started here was/is a torch that has been passed on to many. Hopefully most that have picked it up and run with it are mindful of the legacy which is inherently attached from one humble city to the rest of the world. In addition, my foreign friends, you might consider tempering your comments a bit as you clearly do not know your facts. The flow across the Atlantic between London has not been without sacrifice but it is still based in mutual respect for the family of innovators. We still cannot exist without each other. Musical innovation will always find a welcome home in more forward thinking Europe/U.K. markets and we DO need that income and fan/friend base. Equally important to our Euro/British friends is the STUPID, BIG MONEY GRIP that America affords. While Mixmag/UK's cover story of March (I think) was touting the death of Trance, the equally inane Mixer mag in America was covering the "Trance Takeover" or some such nonsense in the same month. Mindless of any of that, it is a huge money machine now and it isn't going anywhere. It will simply permutate into something MORE hip once the "fashion" wears off and given an equally trite new moniker as a claim to originality when it was classically and soulfully birthed elsewhere. This you will see, I guarantee it. Detroit is going through that growth right now and it has gone full circle with many of the artists going straight for the Black American music that birthed the whole thing. America is formulaic now, we know this better than anyone else on the planet. Once there was more immediacy to getting music like ours to the general public. However, the same is occuring in London. Radio is becoming corporate programmed over there now and it is squeezing out an important communication vehicle in favor of BIG MONEY. Don't any of you realize that you're being PROPAGANDIZED?? Each and every one of us in this rapidly growing "corporate underground" must be both educators and keepers of the faith and maintain our unity. The "Family" must mind the Family and squash any silly bickering that will impede our movement. Else we'll go the way of both the dinosaurs and rock n' roll. It is the Imitators, not the Innovators that historically get all the credit.Since London has Dance music press up the ying-yang...that is a foregone conclusion none could argue with. Just don't jam it down our throats when you have no historical reference or education. It is just because Detroit does not have the proximity perks of the music press in our own backyards that makes our successes that much more 1. ASTOUNDING!!! and 2. Hard won. Detroit changed the world twice with no assistance from anyone on the planet. No other city can claim such power or influence over modern music, fashion or youth culture. The truth speaks for itselfand I am dumbfounded by the ignore-ance of this thread. L Although I am not a expert on America's history of rock, I do know that one reason why rock had a hard time catching on outside of younger cro
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313'ers lately i've seen a bunch of nasty green (jealous) creatures on 313 a.k.a Trolls... these jealous little folk see something nice that is not in their realm of understanding and they want to go trash it. now we can play their games, or we can start hitting the delete key. i'm choosing the latter. i am using unix, so i have many tools useful for filtering mail, but IIRC MS Outlook, Netscape Communicator, and Eudora Pro all have the ability to filter mail. if you have this ability, filter. if you can't, then hit the delete key. there is too much cool shit on this list for it to be spoiled by one or two people. i understand the desire to educate people about music, but trolls aren't here to be educated. they're here to get attention. don't give it to them. peace, michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org "People forget the meaning of the word independent. They want to be different but be accepted. Forget it. I just want to achieve some kind of quality. If I sell 2 copies of a CD I've outsold the Mona Lisa." -- Tom Ellard
RE: [313] Bombay / BOM 106
If I'm not mistaken, the Roy Davis Jr. 12" is one that you need to hurry and pick up, just to start your week off right. ;) Ones picked up a copy from our friends at Bombay about 2 months ago and it hasn't left his crate since. Twos needs to go get his own copy. Cheers, Tom At Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:22:51 -0400, "sqrrt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Nothing from Larry Heard, I'm afraid. Here's the discog so far: > >Graça, Miguel - Watchalike (BOM101) 12" >Carter, Derrick / Nazuka, Chris - A Red Nail Relic (BOM102) 12" >Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.1 (BOM103) 12" >Nazuka, Chris / Schumacher, Tim - Primary Colours (BOM104) 12" >Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.2 (BOM105) 12" >Davis, Roy Jr. - Unreleased Basement Traxx (BOM106) 12" > >The latter which has just been released last week. Haven't even listened >to >it yet. The best 12" so far IMHO is the Red Nail Relics EP. But I'm >an >impartial fan of Derrick's (plus, there's a good Fred Everything remix >on >there), so maybe I'm not the best person to ask. Not much 313 content >so >far, but who knows what's to come? > >Hope this helps. > >Sqrrt. > >-Original Message- >From: Batory, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:02 AM >To: '313' >Subject: [313] Bombay / MAW > > >Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know >if the >rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, >true? > >Thanks >Respect >JasonB > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.
RE: [313] 313 Madness!!
I am an individual, completely different, totally original, 100% authentic just like everyone else. > Couldn't agree more with you. The question is: why is it so hard > for people > to understand this simple concept, and why is it so hard for people to > understand that not everyone has exactly the same taste AND respect that? > If you enjoy it, it's good music, and if you don't enjoy it, it's bad > music... for you. But if someone else likes it, then it's good music for > them. We can say whatever we want, but that's how it goes. > > []s > schild > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] 313 Madness!!
>John wrote: >As far as I am concerned there's good music and bad music in all genres with >a number of shades of grey between both. Couldn't agree more with you. The question is: why is it so hard for people to understand this simple concept, and why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone has exactly the same taste AND respect that? If you enjoy it, it's good music, and if you don't enjoy it, it's bad music... for you. But if someone else likes it, then it's good music for them. We can say whatever we want, but that's how it goes. []s schild
downtempo groovin'
As a longtime fan of nearly every genre of electronic music (well, maybe not gabber or happy hardcore, but still...), I have to say that downtempo has definitely warmed my ears the last few years. Some people confuse trip-hop with downtempo, and frankly, a lot of descriptions depend on who you talk to and where you're living, but I usually think of downtempo as being a bit more abstract, sometimes vocals but if so, sampled and/or looped vocals (not always, however). When I think of a downtempo label, the first one that comes to mind is Ninja Tune. I find that a lot of downtempo stuff has hip-hop elements melded with jazzy stuff, but I also think downtempo has as much to do with a certain type of groove and lifestyle -- namely, smoking pot/ganja/kind buds (et all) and downtempo DEFINITELY plays a big role and enhances the musical vibe. That said, I don't think it's necessary that you smoke the ganj to enjoy downtempo, but the two do go hand in hand. I like stuff from Fila Brazillia (they have yet to release a bad album), Kruder & Dorfmeister (which includes offshoots such as Tosca and Peace Orchestra) Thievery Corporation, pretty much anything on Ninja Tune (Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force, Amon Tobin, Jazzanova, Up Bustle & Out, Funki Porcini, DJ Food etc.). I think David Holmes' stuff borders on downtempo and it's not that jazzy. Nightmares On Wax is another good one (he even has an album titled "Smoker's Delight" from '95). And then we haven't even begun to approach the similarities between downtempo and IDM or experimental stuff (aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher), stuff i got into before downtempo reared its friendly head. And you know, you can never go wrong with The Orb, chillmaster supreme. Boards Of Canada are like downtempo and IDM combined and pretty much rule, as well. I'm sure there's stuff that I'm forgetting. And besides recloose, theorem and some of the others you mentioned, I'm sure there's more out there even in 313 land. btw, whatever happened to "raves" or "parties" that included "Chill-Out Rooms?" Used to be there was always a "cool-down" room, but not so much anymore, which i think is too bad. that be all timmmiP (with a new email address and everything.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:00 -0400 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "Roberto Ty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Definition of Downtempo Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, = and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=3Djazzy?= ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
downtempo groovin'
As a longtime fan of nearly every genre of electronic music (well, maybe not gabber or happy hardcore, but still...), I have to say that downtempo has definitely warmed my ears the last few years. Some people confuse trip-hop with downtempo, and frankly, a lot of descriptions depend on who you talk to and where you're living, but I usually think of downtempo as being a bit more abstract, sometimes vocals but if so, sampled and/or looped vocals (not always, however). When I think of a downtempo label, the first one that comes to mind is Ninja Tune. I find that a lot of downtempo stuff has hip-hop elements melded with jazzy stuff, but I also think downtempo has as much to do with a certain type of groove and lifestyle -- namely, smoking pot/ganja/kind buds (et all) and downtempo DEFINITELY plays a big role and enhances the musical vibe. That said, I don't think it's necessary that you smoke the ganj to enjoy downtempo, but the two do go hand in hand. I like stuff from Fila Brazillia (they have yet to release a bad album), Kruder & Dorfmeister (which includes offshoots such as Tosca and Peace Orchestra) Thievery Corporation, pretty much anything on Ninja Tune (Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force, Amon Tobin, Jazzanova, Up Bustle & Out, Funki Porcini, DJ Food etc.). I think David Holmes' stuff borders on downtempo and it's not that jazzy. Nightmares On Wax is another good one (he even has an album titled "Smoker's Delight" from '95). And then we haven't even begun to approach the similarities between downtempo and IDM or experimental stuff (aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher), stuff i got into before downtempo reared its friendly head. And you know, you can never go wrong with The Orb, chillmaster supreme. Boards Of Canada are like downtempo and IDM combined and pretty much rule, as well. I'm sure there's stuff that I'm forgetting. And besides recloose, theorem and some of the others you mentioned, I'm sure there's more out there even in 313 land. btw, whatever happened to "raves" or "parties" that included "Chill-Out Rooms?" Used to be there was always a "cool-down" room, but not so much anymore, which i think is too bad. that be all timmmiP (with a new email address and everything.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:00 -0400 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "Roberto Ty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Definition of Downtempo Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, = and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=3Djazzy?= ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
downtempo groovin'
As a longtime fan of nearly every genre of electronic music (well, maybe not gabber or happy hardcore, but still...), I have to say that downtempo has definitely warmed my ears the last few years. Some people confuse trip-hop with downtempo, and frankly, a lot of descriptions depend on who you talk to and where you're living, but I usually think of downtempo as being a bit more abstract, sometimes vocals but if so, sampled and/or looped vocals (not always, however). When I think of a downtempo label, the first one that comes to mind is Ninja Tune. I find that a lot of downtempo stuff has hip-hop elements melded with jazzy stuff, but I also think downtempo has as much to do with a certain type of groove and lifestyle -- namely, smoking pot/ganja/kind buds (et all) and downtempo DEFINITELY plays a big role and enhances the musical vibe. That said, I don't think it's necessary that you smoke the ganj to enjoy downtempo, but the two do go hand in hand. I like stuff from Fila Brazillia (they have yet to release a bad album), Kruder & Dorfmeister (which includes offshoots such as Tosca and Peace Orchestra) Thievery Corporation, pretty much anything on Ninja Tune (Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force, Amon Tobin, Jazzanova, Up Bustle & Out, Funki Porcini, DJ Food etc.). I think David Holmes' stuff borders on downtempo and it's not that jazzy. Nightmares On Wax is another good one (he even has an album titled "Smoker's Delight" from '95). And then we haven't even begun to approach the similarities between downtempo and IDM or experimental stuff (aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher), stuff i got into before downtempo reared its friendly head. And you know, you can never go wrong with The Orb, chillmaster supreme. Boards Of Canada are like downtempo and IDM combined and pretty much rule, as well. I'm sure there's stuff that I'm forgetting. And besides recloose, theorem and some of the others you mentioned, I'm sure there's more out there even in 313 land. btw, whatever happened to "raves" or "parties" that included "Chill-Out Rooms?" Used to be there was always a "cool-down" room, but not so much anymore, which i think is too bad. that be all timmmiP (with a new email address and everything.) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:00 -0400 To: <313@hyperreal.org> From: "Roberto Ty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Definition of Downtempo Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, = and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=3Djazzy?= ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
Re: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
Hi C, I was interested in reading your article. Anyway, let me know if you have copies available and i'll give you my address. thanks much, manika On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > I just wrote a 4000 word article on techno and gender for Melbourne's Kiss > FM (no relation to UK Kiss) magazine Go with previously unpublished quotes > from interviews with Jeff Mills, Derrick May, Carl Craig, Dave Angel, > Misstress Barbara, HMC, Voiteck and more. It killed me doing it - especially > since I had to fit it in with my regular paid work/hustling. > This has taken me two years on and off to research and I am currently > chasing up extra copies now (in the past I have just got copies for myself, > as it's a subscription-only magazine) for those who helped and inspired me > (including Detroit's very own wonderful Laura Gavoor on this list who has > urged me to push barriers more). If anyone outside of Melbourne is > interested, I will see what I can do. > > Also I would really recommend you check out Jeff Mills' Axis Web site. He > held a discussion on this topic and it is archived there - very interesting. > > Cheers > > Cyclone > > >"I meet people - girls, even - who are into Detroit techno and yet don't > >know about this list..." > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] haha i'm done =)
Please eliminate this fool from this list. It's easy to try to have big brazen balls while letting out sexual frustration via a keyboard on a mailing list that you don't belong on. Next time you're in Detroit i challenge you to come up to me and introduce yourself--face to face. I sincerely doubt you have the nuggets little oneespecially in my town. If you are a simple contrary, so be it. But why do you feel compelled to bother us? Do you feel you have something to prove??? Because if you do you should do it to these peoples faces and truly get the Detroit response you are desperately seeking. Trust me, you will find complete satisfaction in that manner and I'll be first in line to show you our hospitality Oh and by the way, I already know my gonads are much bigger than yours and regardless of any superficial response you may have to defend your weakness...it simply is. I will not be baited. Pit-Bitch out! From: Dance Extacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] haha i'm done =) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:11:10 -0700 (PDT) all records sold. =) remember this, detroits dead and going nowhere. rehashing old ideas will never work. hahaaa suckaz *out* __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
SWAYZAK in NYC Tonight
TONIGHT, MONDAY JUNE 19 JT & BROON from SWAYZAK (Exclusive DJ Set) (Swayzak Recordings, Medicine Label, London UK) plus Sleaze Factor residents Peter Anthony (Planet E/Green Galactic) Adam Goldstone (Tiny Trendies, Nuphonic Records) This week, in an exclusive New York DJ'ing appearance, JT and BROON from SWAYZAK roll through Sleaze Factor to spin a taste from their long-awaited sophomore album, HIMAWARI, due to be released on The Medicine Label in mid-July. If you're not already familiar with the name - Swayzak creates some of the most cerebral dance music being crafted today. The perfect compromise between dancefloor and chillout room, their sound is a blend of glacial deep house and bottomless dub, with a sharp tech-electro edge. Their first album "Snowboarding in Argentina" was declared album of the year by Mixer magazine in 1998, and their sophomore effort "Himawari" is certain to garner equal praise. Sleaze Factor. Weekly Mondays @ Sapphire 249 Eldridge St. (between Houston & Stanton) 9p-4a 21+ $5 (includes one free drink*) HAPPY HOUR!!! 1/2 price drinks 9-10. For info: www.chaoskitty.com/sleazefactor Presented by OpenProductions Hosted by Carlos SantaMaria -- - UPCOMING SLEAZE FACTOR EVENTS JUNE 26 - Sleaze Factor Residents Night JULY 3 - INDEPENDENCE DAY SESSION with special guest K-TEL (New York) JULY 10 - THE RETURN OF... MR. C (Exclusive New York appearance!) (SubTerrain, The End, London UK/Engine Recordings US) JULY 17 - CARL CLARKE (Debut New York appearance!!!) (Urban DK, Headstart @ Turnmills resident, Headstart Recordings, London UK) JULY 24 - Sleaze Factor residents night JULY 31 - BRUCE TANTUM (Time Out New York) *With flyer. Not valid on guest nights. NOTE: We respect your online privacy! If you no longer wish to be on OpenProductions'/Sleaze Factor's mailing list, please reply with "unsubscribe". This weekly list is emailed out to over 500 supporters of Sleaze Factor and OpenProductions. Thank you for your time, and most of all, your support! Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress this letter cannot be considered spam as long as we include: Contact information (see above).
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
> > It's pretty sad to see someone judge the quality of music by the power of > the bass. > Too true. We might as well all be listening to Techmaster P.E.B. @ 170db in a dropped mini-truck if we lived in Dance Extacy's world. **WARNING THIS CD MAY CAUSE SPEAKER DAMAGE. ULTRA LOW BASS** -M
trying .... bullshit pt.2
... no matter what you think. to me juan is the shit. especially his old stuff. no matter how other people judge it. i don`t care how many percentage out of a crowd judges carola over m500 at all. these two individuals just aren`t compareable.it`s almost redicilous to name them in one sentence. Those remarks about "low budget" studios is almost a slap in these person`s face. it´s like saying you need to have money (= good expensive gear) in order to create good music. I bet i don´t have to point out, how i judge this, as other people stated this clear before. Good, deep music is about soul, style and about learning to be original, which has nuthing to do with the equipment used at all. the most expensive gear won`t sound soulfull, if the person playing the gear lack`s it. very often things just turn in the quite opposit direction. most lo-fi productions sound much more well designed & round, because people behind the gear get deep with the gear, knowing exactly how to use simple equipment to make it sound full & maximum to the point. take terrence dixon for example, his lo-fi recordings are just so well done, one wouldn`t believe that his recent full lenght album on tresor was completly done on a groovebox. i could go on with this forever, but what´s the point some people understand, some people don`t, it`s a damn shame when they try to steal your soul .. And phred, i don`t need you to tell me how to "behave" or which words i have to use. so, please okay? andy background records
RE: [313] Re: UR Vote
If you want to check out music: www.satelliterecords.com www.planetxusa.com www.groovetech.com ... Just to name a few, have archived UR records in .ra for listening (about the same quality as poopy record shop needles). This method is great for learning about and listening to old records you probably won't see again... but going to a record shop, picking up a stack o' wax and just listening all day is priceless. That's typically the best way to go about discovering great music without shelling out cash (although inevitably you'll want to purchase said wax). Hope this helps! Ryan Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: UR Vote In a message dated 6/18/00 3:16:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Turntables do not cost a lot of money and it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to buy the UR vinyl. Go to www.submerge.com I put my vote in for W.P.A.Seawolf. >> I already have a turntable and all the UR vinyl. That's not my point. Each UR record costs approx. $5. Double packs are $10+. Fifty records = at least $250. Turntable (decent) = $200+. Good cartridge = $50. Not a feasible investment for someone wanting to check music, not to mention an unrealistic investment if one is not familiar with UR. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] early electro
i have a real audio mix of early electro up at www.jbucknell.com . look under 'sounds'. there's also a track listing to help you james "Patrick Kinzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/16/2000 10:14:46 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: [313] early electro hi there i'm new here and i'm wondering if anyone can recommend some early elctro music besides bambataa. is it me or did electro disapear during the rave years? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] 313 Madness!!
Well, that sums up about my idea about all the crap I had to delete from my mailbox the last two weeks as well! Word! As to the discussion about hard techno versus soulfull Detroit stuff: I have both styles in my crates and tons of other stuff ranging from ambient, over wacko stuff by Neil Landstrumm and Justin Berkovi, over electro including Kraftwerk to Drumcodes, The Advent, Johannes Heil etc. I also have quite a lot of house and old stuff like Gary Numan, disco, etc. Be a lttle bit open to all kinds of music and you'll go happier through life. Sometimes I have people over when I sell a couple of my records. It's a pitty to see they only want a certain style and don't even want to listen to anything else. It usually takes them a couple of years to become more open-minded. The longer you have been following this music (and its predecessors) the easier it is to adopt this attitude because you know where it all comes from. I guess we need to give the youngsters who just came into this fascintating world some credit, but the brainless activity that has been displayed on the list for the last two weeks was just too bad. John As far as I am concerned there's good music and bad music in all genres with a number of shades of grey between both. -Original Message- From: Niall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] 313 Madness!! I'm sorry, I was going to keep quiet about this but I'm simply flabbergasted!! I've been away for the past week on a short holiday and, deliberately, not been near a computer to check my mailbox. I left the discussions with everyone raving about the overall success of the DEMF as well as offering constructive insights as to how improvements could be made and how certain performances were "better" than others in some very valid opinions. Lots of excitement and a general buzz around the D and where we're all heading with it. (Big cheers to Bill VanLoo for a particularly excellent report!) I return today to a load of...shite (frankly) about racism, trance, gabber/hardcore and the "death of Detroit"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I have now been on this list for quite a while, but only speak up when I'm really moved to say something...this is now: Racism - never heard such shite in my life. When I'm in a record shop I'm focusing on the sound of the record, the music, the funk. I often have no idea who has made the record, where they come from or what they look like - it makes absolutely no difference! Yes, I agree that the most influential techno (and house) has come from black artists, but who gives a fuck? Let's just remember a certain techno producer's definition of techno as "like Kraftwerk and George Clinton stuck in an elevator...", that says it all for me...integration, acceptance, innovation - NO BARRIERS. Gabber/Hardcore - Detroit music is not just about clubland. Techno has always had a wider definition than other forms of "dance music" in my opinion. Yes, it has its basis and general market on the dancefloor, but one of the reasons I am so passionate about techno is that it is transcends that environment...think Galaxy to Galaxy, Icon, just about all of Songs of Food and Revolutionary Art. Unlike all this stupidly hard and fast hardcoresque stuff, you don't need to be pumped full of amphetamine (or worse) or any other drug to get it. Music affects a person on many levels and dancing is a spontaneous expression of all those emotions. If the "music" is only intended as a pulsating, hard as fuck, agressive kick-drum, then that's all the emotion you'll get. Mr Dance Extasy (ha ha), I really am not in the business of dissing people and consider myself open minded about ALL forms of music, but you are simply a sad, drugged-up little boy and have no place to comment on music as you evidently don't understand it, any of it. Trance - seems that ship is now sinking anyway. Trance is just crap pop music (in my opinion), now in the hands of the corporates and trundled out to club ponses who go to these "super-clubs" to be seen and admired with the music as some insignificant factor in the precedings. No soul, no funk, just one blue print track that everyone clones to their own String-pad preset (no. 1 usually) on the latest Korg trance machine, as they've only owned for 1 week, after seeing Paul Van Dyk miming with one on Top of the Pops. Death of Detroit music - Stagnant for the past 9 years, I'm not even going to merit that kind of blanket ignorance with a response...you all know. As for our friend that doesn't seem to know the difference between trance and techno; stop whinging, open your ears, shut your mouth and you might learn. The thing that's so compelling about real techno, I think, is that you can't define it. There are no rules, just innovation and a relentless, creative search for new ideas. It seems to me that techno has taken influences from all overthe world
Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
In a message dated 6/18/00 3:16:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Turntables do not cost a lot of money and it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to buy the UR vinyl. Go to www.submerge.com I put my vote in for W.P.A.Seawolf. >> I already have a turntable and all the UR vinyl. That's not my point. Each UR record costs approx. $5. Double packs are $10+. Fifty records = at least $250. Turntable (decent) = $200+. Good cartridge = $50. Not a feasible investment for someone wanting to check music, not to mention an unrealistic investment if one is not familiar with UR. Matt
Definition of Downtempo
How would you describe Downtempo? I've seen Recloose and Hogans mentioned, and I am familiar with their music, which is very jazzy. Downtempo=jazzy?
313 Madness!!
I'm sorry, I was going to keep quiet about this but I'm simply flabbergasted!! I've been away for the past week on a short holiday and, deliberately, not been near a computer to check my mailbox. I left the discussions with everyone raving about the overall success of the DEMF as well as offering constructive insights as to how improvements could be made and how certain performances were "better" than others in some very valid opinions. Lots of excitement and a general buzz around the D and where we're all heading with it. (Big cheers to Bill VanLoo for a particularly excellent report!) I return today to a load of...shite (frankly) about racism, trance, gabber/hardcore and the "death of Detroit"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I have now been on this list for quite a while, but only speak up when I'm really moved to say something...this is now: Racism - never heard such shite in my life. When I'm in a record shop I'm focusing on the sound of the record, the music, the funk. I often have no idea who has made the record, where they come from or what they look like - it makes absolutely no difference! Yes, I agree that the most influential techno (and house) has come from black artists, but who gives a fuck? Let's just remember a certain techno producer's definition of techno as "like Kraftwerk and George Clinton stuck in an elevator...", that says it all for me...integration, acceptance, innovation - NO BARRIERS. Gabber/Hardcore - Detroit music is not just about clubland. Techno has always had a wider definition than other forms of "dance music" in my opinion. Yes, it has its basis and general market on the dancefloor, but one of the reasons I am so passionate about techno is that it is transcends that environment...think Galaxy to Galaxy, Icon, just about all of Songs of Food and Revolutionary Art. Unlike all this stupidly hard and fast hardcoresque stuff, you don't need to be pumped full of amphetamine (or worse) or any other drug to get it. Music affects a person on many levels and dancing is a spontaneous expression of all those emotions. If the "music" is only intended as a pulsating, hard as fuck, agressive kick-drum, then that's all the emotion you'll get. Mr Dance Extasy (ha ha), I really am not in the business of dissing people and consider myself open minded about ALL forms of music, but you are simply a sad, drugged-up little boy and have no place to comment on music as you evidently don't understand it, any of it. Trance - seems that ship is now sinking anyway. Trance is just crap pop music (in my opinion), now in the hands of the corporates and trundled out to club ponses who go to these "super-clubs" to be seen and admired with the music as some insignificant factor in the precedings. No soul, no funk, just one blue print track that everyone clones to their own String-pad preset (no. 1 usually) on the latest Korg trance machine, as they've only owned for 1 week, after seeing Paul Van Dyk miming with one on Top of the Pops. Death of Detroit music - Stagnant for the past 9 years, I'm not even going to merit that kind of blanket ignorance with a response...you all know. As for our friend that doesn't seem to know the difference between trance and techno; stop whinging, open your ears, shut your mouth and you might learn. The thing that's so compelling about real techno, I think, is that you can't define it. There are no rules, just innovation and a relentless, creative search for new ideas. It seems to me that techno has taken influences from all overthe world and styles right across the musical spectrum, from jazz to electro-acoustic to disco to classical/romantic to blues to funk and into space. That's progressive, not a so-called "narrow-mindedness" just because we won't accept trance or whatever other lifeless musical form back into the equation. Here's hoping this is the end of the madness, alas I fear not. Peace and total repect to those that know, don't give it up. Niall. ))\ )) o ___ )) )) (( \(( (( ((_(, (( ((...
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
> Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not related directly to detroit > style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) are essentiallly the > autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 or 6, I can't remember. A bit of info about Isolee can be found on the Playhouse website. http://www.mad-net.de/ongaku/playhouse/artists7.html Hans > > -Original Message- > > From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:13 AM > > To: Diana Potts; 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [313] downtempo 313? > > > > > > I'd recommend Neil Oliverra's "Detroit Escalator Company". A classic. > > > > All of the Free Zone comps on SSR have some nice down-tempo offerings, > > including the oft-313-mentioned Muliplicity of One's and Zero's by Claude > > Young on Volume III. > > > > There was a Fragile record, I believe it's called or has a track called > > "Everything's Gone Pear Shaped". Quite good. > > > > John Beltran might fit into this category for you. > > > > If you can track down a copy of the "Repeat" album, it's a must-have. Mark > > Broom with Plaid. > > > > And although it isn't 313, I highly recommend Music For 18 Musicians by > > Steve Reich. Great orchestrated ambience. > > > > Let me know if you want me to dig deeper into the not strictly 313 crates. > > > > Tristan > > == > > PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm > > "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger > > > > New Album, "Québécois", online now. > > -Original Message- > > From: Diana Potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> > > Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:11 PM > > Subject: [313] downtempo 313? > > > > > > > > > >I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the > > >Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the > > traditional > > >techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin > > >music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) > > > > > >SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I > > am > > >aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about > > >further back or ones who are less publicized? > > > > > >Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are > > >suggested-please let me know. > > > > > > > > >school me,please. > > >diana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/
What's wrong with different?
Here's the famous quote: >Diana Potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >insticts that men will never understand I'm glad Diana has instincts that men will never understand, I'm even more thankful that my mom had these same instincts. I don't understand why she (Diana) had to feel she needed to apologize for her observation, which is a pretty easy one to see, men not only don't look like women, but different things go on inside us too. duh. really!??! I don't see how it would be so hard for people to accept that we're not all the same. What I want to know in this age of politically-correct hyper-sensitivity is: what is wrong with being different? Tosh
RE: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree?
Are you joking?? Oliver Chesler was chanting praises for detroit while throwing out free T-shirts and CDs during his (their) live set under the bridge and _still_ couldn't keep people from leaving. I put this guy akin to skinny puppy or FLA w/o the talent, but _least_ of all techno. Scott (desperately trying not to forsee another, 'then what _is_ techno??' thread) > > > If you're intelligent then you already know about great > artists like lenny > > > dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver > chesler(the horrorist > > > http://www.thingstocome.com). > > > > Speaking as someone who knows both Lenny and Oliver, I can tell > you that while > they don't necessarily LOVE jazzy Detroit Techno, they at least > respect it. > Unlike the chucklehead Europeans that posted this drivel (I know > few Americans > outside of Minneapolis who think this way about hardcore) > > Actually, I think they would be a little disturbed to hear some > nut bleating > about bad hardcore, and then praise their work. > > e > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
Speaking of John Beltran Check out his 'Indio' release on Transmat.. Nice downtempo, well orchestrated and immacculately produced. Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not related directly to detroit style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) are essentiallly the autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 or 6, I can't remember. Scott > -Original Message- > From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:13 AM > To: Diana Potts; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] downtempo 313? > > > I'd recommend Neil Oliverra's "Detroit Escalator Company". A classic. > > All of the Free Zone comps on SSR have some nice down-tempo offerings, > including the oft-313-mentioned Muliplicity of One's and Zero's by Claude > Young on Volume III. > > There was a Fragile record, I believe it's called or has a track called > "Everything's Gone Pear Shaped". Quite good. > > John Beltran might fit into this category for you. > > If you can track down a copy of the "Repeat" album, it's a must-have. Mark > Broom with Plaid. > > And although it isn't 313, I highly recommend Music For 18 Musicians by > Steve Reich. Great orchestrated ambience. > > Let me know if you want me to dig deeper into the not strictly 313 crates. > > Tristan > == > PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm > "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger > > New Album, "Québécois", online now. > -Original Message- > From: Diana Potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> > Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:11 PM > Subject: [313] downtempo 313? > > > > > >I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the > >Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the > traditional > >techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin > >music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) > > > >SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I > am > >aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about > >further back or ones who are less publicized? > > > >Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are > >suggested-please let me know. > > > > > >school me,please. > >diana > > > > > > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] downtempo
Hey Tom, Your mail was really interesting. I like a lot of the stuff you mentioned, particularly getting into this nu skool jazz/funk thing... Labels that I particularly like are... > 2000 Black - deep, abstract breakbeat fusion from > the 4 Hero extended > family, another of my favourite labels... loadsa stuff I want off here... > Archive - slightly more D-flavoured future-classic > techno, look out for the > upcoming Nubian Mindz LP and Theo Parrish EP... STILL trying to find the New Season trilogy... >...Visions... The first release on this label, by Mustang, is awesome. Pity I can't obtain it. >...Seiji... Bought his "Second Nature" on Bitasweet. Funky as fuck... this is the first tune Dego plays at his DEMF set... Now, to the point, does ANYONE know of any online vinyl mail order sites where I can get this stuff?!?!?!? It's really difficult getting any of the releases I want in the North East of the UK. It's all charty cheese and ultra hard stuff. I want the funk!!! Any help would be greatly appreciated. later, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
Whoops, ambient releases, esp. ambient stuff. That's like two times the same thing. Aarggh, it's Monday and you don't have to tell me why I hate that. So, as I tried to say: GEM Office has decent releases esp. their ambient/downtempo stuff. John (back to the land of dreams) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Frankfurt scene I believe Patrick Lindsey is actually from Austria, Vienna if I'm not mistaken... General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! John -Original Message- From: c myster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene Harthouse was(is?) in Offenbach, Germany according to 1996 "the Phat Jive" Sleeve Where's Patrick Lindsey from? He's one funky mofo. What's he up to now? > Wasn't Harthouse based in Frankfurt as well? Eye-Q? Derrick's Strings of life b side still slayin me after all these years. Especially the unnamed track in the middle. 909+Flanger+Derrick's funkin funk+a little more effects!= timeless techno oops i said the T word.:P works great into some Mplant stuff and out of any mills. or anything else for that matter. Get to spin hard and/or funky technoee stuff in front of mainstream audience tommorrow should be interesting to see reaction to some classic Saunderson, Mills, Pullen, etc. tracks. so if anyone's around White Bear Lake, Minnesota manana. Check Me out. Bouncin my body to the box on this list since 96 Mystro-- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
downtempo
Diana: > I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the > Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional > techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin > music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) > > SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I am > aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about > further back or ones who are less publicized? As already mentioned, Detroit Escalator Company's 'Soundtrack 313' on Ferox is pretty essential, one of my favourite chill-out records ever. And Shake's Frictional releases are all superb, totally unique... > Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are > suggested-please let me know. Kind-of 313 related is (de)Focus, with list-memeber CiM's long-awaited 'Reference' LP about to drop - beautiful mellow electronica from a talent who is only beginning to flex his muscles... I also urge everyone to check everything on Delsin, shaping up to be one of my favourite labels in the world. The recent releases from Plasm Nesonic, Lucky & Easy and Norken are superb, the upcoming Newworldaquarium sounded awesome from the quick listen I managed last week (cheers Si!). And of course there is CiM's near-legendary 8-track EP from last year... On the jazz/latin/breakbeat tip, I could go on for hours. A few of the key labels to look for: Ubiquity - excellent series of Latin re-rubs from the likes of DeGiorgio, Carl Craig and many others. Also check the P'Taah releases... 2000 Black - deep, abstract breakbeat fusion from the 4 Hero extended family, another of my favourite labels... Archive - slightly more D-flavoured future-classic techno, look out for the upcoming Nubian Mindz LP and Theo Parrish EP... People - IG Culture and friends with freestyle West London jazz fusion, look out for the 'People Make The World Go Round' compilation as a perfect starting point... Other noteworthy labels: Dynamite Joint, Main Squeeze, Visions, Laws of Motion... Producer-wise, the people blowing my mind are Alex Attias (Mustang, Catalyst, Beatless), Seiji, Domu, Nubian Mindz, IG Culture, Neon Phusion, Phil Asher, Kirk DeGiorgio, Jimpster... And anything which says 'engineered by Daz-I-Kue at the Bitasuite' should be bought on sight! :) Hope this gives you something to go on... Tom
RE: [313] Re: Girls and Detroit
> >put that in your happy hardcore trance pipe and smoke > it ravedog. never heard 'ravedog' before. that's pretty funny.
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene (was : 'Trying to recreate something th at's long gone')
Gaetek is in fact Gaetano Parisio and he's Italian for sure (Napels). I did an interview with him some time ago for Bassic Groove and his English was a bit funny. Those who are interested can get the answers to the interview sent to them (for personal use only of course). John -Original Message- From: Todd Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:22 PM To: Nick Walsh Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene (was : 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone') Could have sworn Gaetek was Italian no? Other conform artists, Advent (UK) Qmen (Italy), Marco Carola (Italy). I think David Squillace is the only person from Germany who has produced on this label. Actually just confirmed Conform is Gaetek's label from Italy. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick Walsh wrote: > --- Gwendal Cobert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > inextricably linked. The Frankfurt-Berlin-Detroit > > > Trans-Atlantic connection > > ho ho... I'm not trying here to add a point to this > > ongoing thread, but just > > curious : I still have some difficulty attaching the > > artists to city > > scenes - Detroit I see - Berlin I see (basically I > > would put there Tresor, > > Basic Channel, Chain Reaction...), but Frankfurt - > > what are the most famous > > artists and labels from this city ? > > Famous artists and labels from Frankfurt? Hmmm... > Gaetek is from Frankfurt and so are all the other > Conform artists... I think > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
I believe Patrick Lindsey is actually from Austria, Vienna if I'm not mistaken... General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! John -Original Message- From: c myster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Frankfurt scene Harthouse was(is?) in Offenbach, Germany according to 1996 "the Phat Jive" Sleeve Where's Patrick Lindsey from? He's one funky mofo. What's he up to now? > Wasn't Harthouse based in Frankfurt as well? Eye-Q? Derrick's Strings of life b side still slayin me after all these years. Especially the unnamed track in the middle. 909+Flanger+Derrick's funkin funk+a little more effects!= timeless techno oops i said the T word.:P works great into some Mplant stuff and out of any mills. or anything else for that matter. Get to spin hard and/or funky technoee stuff in front of mainstream audience tommorrow should be interesting to see reaction to some classic Saunderson, Mills, Pullen, etc. tracks. so if anyone's around White Bear Lake, Minnesota manana. Check Me out. Bouncin my body to the box on this list since 96 Mystro-- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
Just peeped the Sandwiches video a couple weeks ago. As you'd expect from the Pubahs, it's pretty dammed funny!! Complete with Paris and Andy in numerous costumes, girls in bikinis (and not all of them the skinny bikini types typical of music videos) wrestleing in mayo, a carosel, cameo appearance by Brian Gillespie (sp?) and a midget (or is that "little person" for all you PC folks out there?) all in all a very nicely done video that obviously had a very large production budget. I cant wait until MTV gets ahold of it! if they liked bloodhound gang they're just gonna eat up Sandwhiches! (ouch!!) Hey! a review of a Detroit techno video! those are few and far between on the 313 list, eh? :^) sean deason Simon Walley wrote: > Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a > massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy > triple-decker sandwich with "I know you want to do it..." underneath). This > record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml > > Good stuff. > > || [CiM] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bombay
JasonB: > Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know if the > rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, > true? Not sure about the Larry Heard bit, but here's what I've got... Bomb 101: Miguel Graca - Watchalike EP Bomb 102: Derrick Carter & Chris Nazuka - Life Is Like A Circle Bomb 103: Miguel Graca - Soulnotmind [I think] Bomb 104: Chris Nazuka & Tim Shumacher - Say That U Love Me For more info drop Miguel an email at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And look out for his EP on Ferox from a couple of years back - 'Up To The Sky' - beautiful... Cheers, Tom
RE: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
I saw a snippet of the video for this on some kiddies TV show at 7am on Saturday morning in the UK. Of course, I was er...just channel hopping coz I don't normally watch kiddies TV at 7am (or ..er..at anytime, for that matter)...um..yes. Matt. -Original Message- From: Simon Walley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 June 2000 10:11 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Sandwiches in the UK Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with "I know you want to do it..." underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
>I'd have to agree with Andy here. Some early techno records might have raw >production, mixing and muddy pressings, but these records are also full of >the kind of raw expression (soul) that's so hard to find in 'modern' techno. I also have to agree. You had some raw sparse minimal tracks that came out of Chicago and Detroit that were truly amazing even by today's standards. The other day i was listening to Jeanette Thomas "Shake Your body (house shaker version)" and was amazed how good this track really is. The gated reverb on the 707 kick, the seductive bassline, the use of the one shot sample. Also "Steve Silk Hurley - Jack your Body", this is 100% drum machine funk that will still blow peoples minds. >When you get outside of the 313 dogma and learn a bit of music theory you might judge >those records a little differently. Juan was good, but he wasn't Bach or Miles Davis. Juan Atkins was a dance producer, a visionary that created a new type of futurist electronic dance music called techno. >They were made in low budget studios, and they sound like they were made in low >budget studios. bad gated reverb kicks, poorly recorded vocals, they sound old and >primitive by modern standards Thats what makes some of Kevin Saundersons early productions such masterpiecess. "Electronic Dance" is probably one of my favorite tracks of all time. stephen.
Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
I heard about this...all the coverage. To quote a piece a wrote for a mag, "the pumbas are getting more PR than Tom Green's balls". the great thing is, is that these two deserve it. I believe they are going to Europe to tour soon. I think London and Love Parade are two of the stops, not 100% sure. I'd ask Jon Layne at IT. D From: "Simon Walley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Sandwiches in the UK Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:10:59 PDT Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with "I know you want to do it..." underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Bottom Feeders
Man that record is the bomb, I don't know who the Artist is but it is sweet, melodic, and tight in the programming. I especially like the strings, they give it that extra touch, I am stuck on the pretty side. The other side is harder, good to though. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:17 AM Subject: [313] Bottom Feeders > Just wondering if anyone else heard this record. Its on KMS, but all it says > for the artist is the bottom feeders. I've heard that it might be Juan > Atkins, but thats just what somebody told me. Oh yeah and if you see this > record check it out, its great. > > Casey > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Rough Guide to Techno
> The Rough Guide to Techno is supposed to be out this month...Amazon is > taking orders right now. Let's hope they do a slightly better job with this I've got a copy of it sitting in my hot little hands right now. It's been available in Australia for a couple of weeks now. It's pretty good actually. Very good coverage of all the 313 artists. out. d.
Re: [313] Change of Topic - New V-max anyone?
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 11:21:41AM +0200, Otto Koppius wrote: > JavierDrada wrote: > > > > Just got hold of V-max's new one V984 @Brunner "There was a Day" EP. > > As soon as I get a listen or as soon as Dave does we will update > > you... But if anyone out there deep in 313 land has caught a glimpse > > of this one, please share, as I probably won't have a chance to check > > it till later this week. > > Good release. Two melodic electro-ish techno tracks that remind me a bit > of Morgan Geist's work and two faster, more abstract electro tracks > hi-tech funk style. > > I also heard a new release by Heath Brunner on KMS (I think KMS068?) > that's really nice, somewhat similar to the Vmax release: groovy, > melodic techno. Great releases indeed! One track of the KMS release by Heath can also be found on KMS' mp3.com page -> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/116/kms_records.html Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > << records, but I admit that many of them are poorly produced, the writing > isn't all that great, and they do not really work in a modern context. I > love them because they sound so old, so primitive, and because in many > ways they laid the groundwork for so much of what came after. I like >> > > sorry, man. but this rubbish. early m500/metroplex is surely not poorly > produced at all. juan`s early works still kick ass in 2000 and will still be > working in ANY modern context beyond the year 00, Then how come everyone hardly spins anything old except 'Clear' and 'No UFOs'? Otto PS With any music, only a few tracks stand the test of time, a lot of them don't, they only work(ed) during a given time. They had a function back then, they fulfilled that function and then went to the gread record pile in the sky. That's got nothing to do with slandering the roots, it's a general music phenomenon, let's not get too teary-eyed nostalgic about it.
Re: [313] Change of Topic - New V-max anyone?
JavierDrada wrote: > > Just got hold of V-max's new one V984 @Brunner "There was a Day" EP. > As soon as I get a listen or as soon as Dave does we will update > you... But if anyone out there deep in 313 land has caught a glimpse > of this one, please share, as I probably won't have a chance to check > it till later this week. Good release. Two melodic electro-ish techno tracks that remind me a bit of Morgan Geist's work and two faster, more abstract electro tracks hi-tech funk style. I also heard a new release by Heath Brunner on KMS (I think KMS068?) that's really nice, somewhat similar to the Vmax release: groovy, melodic techno. Otto
Re: [313] downtempo 313?
Diana Potts wrote: > > I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the > Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional > techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin > music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) > > Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are > suggested-please let me know. I don't know anyone in the 313 realm apart from Shake and Recloose, but here's a bunch of artists and labels anyway (I'm a little short on time, so I can't do full reviews, sorry). There a lot of material being released of late with jazz/latin/afro influences, a direction I'm very happy with even though I'm only scratching the surface myself. Artists: Rainer Truby, Jazzanova, Jephte Guillaume, Seiji, Alex Attias, P'Taah (aka Chris 'Wamdue' Brann). Labels: Ubiquity, Compost, Yellow (esp. the Bossa compilations), Archive, 2000 Black. Otto
Sandwiches in the UK
Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy triple-decker sandwich with "I know you want to do it..." underneath). This record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml Good stuff. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
Dance Extacy wrote: > >--- FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >newstyle, future style, hardstyle > > they go alog great with trancecore, terrorcore, > noisecore, etc, > > etc > > actually those last three styles are dead. and many of > the producers that used to produce those styles are > now doing sick pcp sytled hardcore. bass that > cirtually destroys as weak and pathetic detroitish > kick drum. it's funny to see hardcore slow down and > kick detroit in the nuts. and i've yet to hear any > breathing from detroit artists on life support. They > might as well be burried with the rest of the dog > shit. It's pretty sad to see someone judge the quality of music by the power of the bass. Jernej -- http://megaklik.si/sol/ the sound of ljubljana
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree
My favorite all-time music magazine quote was some years ago in DJ Magazine (you know, the big slick one with all the stories about how to be a wedding DJ -- but they actually have decent interviews with people such as Carl Craig). Anyway, they interviewed Lenny Dee and asked him about "intelligent techno", a term some people were using at the time. "I don't make intelligent techno," Lenny said. "I make stupid techno." At least he was willing to cop to it :) But Lenny's work at least has had some serious intent all along, and reflects the urban reality of New York the way that Detroit techno does for the D. This is much more than can be said for those who compress their drums, distort the kick, set the BPMs to 190 and press a record, hoping that sheer physical pounding will set aside the need for entertainment or musical insight. OK, I've had my say on that now. One last thing: we get trolls and chain-yankers on 313 all the time. But we're still here and they, by and large, are not. phred
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RE: [313] downtempo 313?
i'm personally not into downtempo at all, but my friend and former roommate is really, really into the stuff. if you need more info try www.thedownbeat.org he has written some reviews on there as "drm". should be a good start. if anyone is _really_ interested in it, feel free to email him - [EMAIL PROTECTED] he'll be more than happy to reply, he's super cool. peace On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, FC3 Richards wrote: > i could be wrong...in fact i probably am, but since Clark Warner is part of > Plus 8...and he is a downtempo DJ...maybe he has a downtempo record or two > out. i dunno. just a guess. and what about people like the Mad Professor, > Olive, and Mix Master Morris?? they are all downtempo. not exactly 313, > but they are chill. there is also a guy out of Baltimore, i think he may > have an album out, Lovegroove. i may be wrong with all this. someone who > is more educated in downtempo may be able to help. > jeff > > > > "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" > -George Clinton > > > -Original Message- > > From: Diana Potts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:05 PM > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject:[313] downtempo 313? > > > > > > I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the > > Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the > > traditional > > techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin > > music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) > > > > SO, my 313 question is this..are there any 313 producers in this realm? I > > am > > aware of Recloose,Jason Hogans-some of the more recent ones-but how about > > further back or ones who are less publicized? > > > > Also, if there are any others outside of the 313 realm that are > > suggested-please let me know. > > > > > > school me,please. > > diana > > > > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > /_ . . /.:::. !wendy creamer! [EMAIL PROTECTED] <-- |:: .. :: // __ :: /: ::: ,pq .,[EMAIL PROTECTED], "the greater the /// /::`/ : ::` >$bs,, $$"` .d$P" """ .kobstacle, the more //___/ :: :.d$P` '4b.$$$l+p%$$$k. glory in overcoming it." / __/\__: | $b,pgg,d$$$P"`+$$$b,..d$$$P"` ___ ___- Molier _// \o @ /: |:.`"+S$$P"Q$$S+` :. `"+S$$S+"` .:` /__/ /_/ /_/\_\: |||:+ : `"` .:+,,.. .+,.. .::..| |||>>this sig done by wendy's mack daddy, Spinsane of ACiD/RMRS/DPS<<:||
RE: [313] Bombay
Nothing from Larry Heard, I'm afraid. Here's the discog so far: Graça, Miguel - Watchalike (BOM101) 12" Carter, Derrick / Nazuka, Chris - A Red Nail Relic (BOM102) 12" Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.1 (BOM103) 12" Nazuka, Chris / Schumacher, Tim - Primary Colours (BOM104) 12" Graça, Miguel - Soulnotmind Pt.2 (BOM105) 12" Davis, Roy Jr. - Unreleased Basement Traxx (BOM106) 12" The latter which has just been released last week. Haven't even listened to it yet. The best 12" so far IMHO is the Red Nail Relics EP. But I'm an impartial fan of Derrick's (plus, there's a good Fred Everything remix on there), so maybe I'm not the best person to ask. Not much 313 content so far, but who knows what's to come? Hope this helps. Sqrrt. -Original Message- From: Batory, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:02 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] Bombay / MAW Anyone have a Bombay records discog? I've got #104 and want to know if the rest are as good as this. I've heard that one is a Larry Heard production, true? Thanks Respect JasonB
Re: [313] Re: all this racism stuff (fwd)
wrong! WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG...learn yer terms...learn the difference between discrimination, prejudice and the "isms"... Well maybe the USA dictionary differs from the british and australian dictionaries. :) emma mee-thod
Re: [313] Bottom Feeders
I bought a copy of this record, but after a few listens I've decided its trance. It has everything but the arpeggiated bassline ? the lighthearted keys, the synth washes, the psychedelic throbbing noises... Its still a pretty good record, though, many people on this list might like it. Trance usually gives me a rash. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just wondering if anyone else heard this record. Its on KMS, but all it says > for the artist is the bottom feeders. I've heard that it might be Juan > Atkins, but thats just what somebody told me. Oh yeah and if you see this > record check it out, its great. > > Casey > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree?
> > If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny > > dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist > > http://www.thingstocome.com). > > lenny dee still plays disco loft classics in nyc on the odd occasion...so > much for your purist. Speaking as someone who knows both Lenny and Oliver, I can tell you that while they don't necessarily LOVE jazzy Detroit Techno, they at least respect it. Unlike the chucklehead Europeans that posted this drivel (I know few Americans outside of Minneapolis who think this way about hardcore) Actually, I think they would be a little disturbed to hear some nut bleating about bad hardcore, and then praise their work. e
Re: [313] Follow up
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Lennox Lennox wrote: > and 242 is danish. Just thought i'd get > well i'm not gonna go into all the other shit you said, but 242 danish? read your history books before you try to act the professor... \()/ funque droppings \/ christian bloch : label manager /\ www.mp3.com/bloch /__\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
turntables (was: UR Vote)
cyclone wrote: They're almost 2 grand Australian new - now the US dollar is about 60, 65 cents Australian, so you do the maths. Plus we now have a new GST tax - extra 10%. naw... a brand new Technics SL1200mk2 (inc. Stanton D500 cartridge) will cost you around A$1000... maybe a bit less if you bargain hard. or... you can get an ex-hire SL1200mk2 (inc. cartridge) for about A$700... they have a bit of wear and tear, but they still have 12 months of factory warranty left (cos' hire companies like to turn them over pretty quickly). or... about A$600 2nd hand... if you shop around a bit. You can get those cheap home stereos at pawn shops but there's no service or spare parts and the service/parts cost you. Hence I am stuck with one that turns UR into. instant Walt Disney records. In fact the service for turntables sucks all round in this country. Home stereo's w. built-in turntables do suck... but there are quite a few places where you can pick up relatively cheap, 2nd hand stand-alone turntables. Try to buy a late 70's/early 80's deck with features similiar to the SL1200 (i.e. direct drive, removable head-shell that lets you fit a variety of cartridges, manual cueing etc.), they're easier to use and harder to break. Service for turntables is hard to find... but it's out there. cheers ~Askew PS. I've got two spare decks in my wardrobe that I'll happily sell/trade with you Cyclone. :) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
larkin track(s)...
anyone know how many singles were released from kenny's "metaphor" album? i know of just "loop" and "catatonic". did he ever release anything on his own imprint? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Bottom Feeders
hello, It isnt Juan, its a Tommy Onyx project. They have a page on MP3.com if you want to check their stuff out. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/42/bottom_feeders.html take care, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone else heard this record. Its on KMS, but all it says > for the artist is the bottom feeders. I've heard that it might be Juan > Atkins, but thats just what somebody told me. Oh yeah and if you see this > record check it out, its great. > > Casey > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject http://www.egroups.com/group/tech-gear
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree
If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two years ago. Perhaps, if Detroit (313) techno is so "without balls" as you said, then you would be better suited not subscribing to mailing list dedicated to discussing it? Just a suggestion. You could save yourself a lot of time and frustration. Also, you could spend more time discussing the music you really enjoy. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
