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I have yet to buy the new album but they are also supposed to release Prebuild on Aphex Twin Rephlex label. More Newbuild material from the late 80's. on 4/7/03 2:13 PM, Dan Sicko at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I really dug it. Of course I'm a fan (I sort of rediscovered them > whilst writing the book) > > It's not quite as ornate as Don Solaris, but not too far off the mark. > > -d > > On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 02:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> Was there talk about this a while back? It's just been released in the >> US - >> how is it? >> >> MEK >> >> >>
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I really dug it. Of course I'm a fan (I sort of rediscovered them whilst writing the book) It's not quite as ornate as Don Solaris, but not too far off the mark. -d On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 02:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was there talk about this a while back? It's just been released in the US - how is it? MEK
RE: (313) 808 State (what you don't read in Techno Rebels)
> by downhill - i guess i'm getting at the route they went down with > collaborations.. bjork, bernard sumner and david bowie for > example.. you've by the collaboration with Bowie, i guess you mean the mixes of his Sound & Vision single ? they were pretty good I thought, I especially remember one named "'lectric blue mix"... Gwendal
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on 12/19/02 8:57 AM, Stephen Kelly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > previously.. > >>> i can't help but think it all went downhill once he'd gone.. > >> Well you have to be A Guy Called Gerald fan to make a comment like that. >> How can you downplay Exel? >> Especially people who lived through that era. > > i am a guy called gerald fan - hands up.. but i'm also old enough to have > lived thru that era (check my thinning hair and beer belly).. I disagree about that. Exel had some excellent collaborations especially the track Ooops featuring Bjork. A very popular album with the alternative and industrial crowed at the time esspecially here in the US, a ground breaking techno album. > you've > maybe blocked their god awful single with ub40 from your memory - but that > was released shortly after ex:el.. each album had gradually more ill > conceived collaborations (imo) that were aimed at a different kind of > listener.. On the contraire I don't think Georgeus is a bad album, the collaboration with UB40 did achieve some radio success. There is a quirkiness too a lot of the tracks, lots of Alexis SR-16. It's like The Prodigy's Charley meets 80's New Age music. Try mixing Nimbus and Southern Cross with new school electro. > i'm a fan of them, so don't think i'm being harsh - they've made some bad > (not meaning good) records imo, that's all.. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] More good records than bad records after Gerald left the band in my opinion. By the way, 808 State have a new album out called Outpost Transmission that just hit the stores. I should be mail ordering a copy very soon.
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previously.. i can't help but think it all went downhill once he'd gone.. Well you have to be A Guy Called Gerald fan to make a comment like that. How can you downplay Exel? Especially people who lived through that era. i am a guy called gerald fan - hands up.. but i'm also old enough to have lived thru that era (check my thinning hair and beer belly).. by downhill - i guess i'm getting at the route they went down with collaborations.. bjork, bernard sumner and david bowie for example.. you've maybe blocked their god awful single with ub40 from your memory - but that was released shortly after ex:el.. each album had gradually more ill conceived collaborations (imo) that were aimed at a different kind of listener.. i'm a fan of them, so don't think i'm being harsh - they've made some bad (not meaning good) records imo, that's all.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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on 12/18/02 4:12 AM, Stephen Kelly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i can't help but think it all went downhill once he'd gone.. Well you have to be A Guy Called Gerald fan to make a comment like that. How can you downplay Exel? Especially people who lived through that era. The same goes for people who dismiss Richie Hawtin's contribution to techno. How can you say that after Technarchy? One of the biggest and most influential techno tracks of the early 90's?
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better late then never but i can agree on this one. i should chip in as well.. the period with just before ninety and ex:el was the best. wasn't that fond of solaris (or what was the album after ex:el called?) with ninety and ex:el they got more & more their own typical sound, with olympic and lift etc. don't know even how to call it - but ninety in it's original form (not the tommy boy us version) is the best for me.. indeed with magical dream, donkey doctor, cobra bora and more - only eight/nine tracks - i mean, it really was an album my favourites were quadrastate and ninety.. agree with marsel, ninety is still a great listen as an album - quite dark towards the end.. it was when albums didn't have to fill an entire cd either - so it's not exhausting to listen to, just the right length.. i'd just say that i'm not sure whether this was 808 state's "own typical sound" as gerald was still around at the time.. i can't help but think it all went downhill once he'd gone.. the characteristics of quadrastate and ninety that i enjoy the most are really obvious in gerald's solo stuff on hot lemonade and automanikk, and aren't there in 808 state once he'd gone.. and speaking of gerald we ought to mention his inertia stuff - two really blinding twelves on retroactive and juice box.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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I'd also heard that it was going to be produced by Trevor Horn, who had had some strange ideas about a black-futurist-hetero Pet Shop Boys... as interesting an idea as it sounds, I can imagine that not doing it was the right thing to do... | -Original Message- | From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 17 December 2002 15:35 | To: marsel | Cc: 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) 808 State | | | It was supposed to be Derrick, Kevin and Juan, but I would | assume that | Inner City pulled Kevin's | attention away. | | I didn't think it ever got to the point where any material | was produced? | | Would have been interesting to see Detroit techno packaged as | a "group" | through the ZTT filter ... | | -d | | On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 10:21 AM, marsel wrote: | | > | > i guess it's the same | > | > i should have to check my techno magazine archive | > there was an article about it in a dutch magazine | > :) | > | > At 17-12-2002 + 15:19, you wrote: | >> Marsel; | >> >at that time ztt should be doing a project by may, saunderson and | >> atkins | >> as | >> well - intellex or some? | >> | >> Ok, anyone want to tell me more? I know of a pop-ish project by | >> Derrick and | >> Juan that never got released (mind you, it doesn't sound that pop, | >> maybe | >> thats why it never came out). The same thing? | > | > | > .. . :: http://nomorewords.net | > | > | |
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It was supposed to be Derrick, Kevin and Juan, but I would assume that Inner City pulled Kevin's attention away. I didn't think it ever got to the point where any material was produced? Would have been interesting to see Detroit techno packaged as a "group" through the ZTT filter ... -d On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 10:21 AM, marsel wrote: i guess it's the same i should have to check my techno magazine archive there was an article about it in a dutch magazine :) At 17-12-2002 + 15:19, you wrote: Marsel; >at that time ztt should be doing a project by may, saunderson and atkins as well - intellex or some? Ok, anyone want to tell me more? I know of a pop-ish project by Derrick and Juan that never got released (mind you, it doesn't sound that pop, maybe thats why it never came out). The same thing? .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
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i guess it's the same i should have to check my techno magazine archive there was an article about it in a dutch magazine :) At 17-12-2002 + 15:19, you wrote: Marsel; >at that time ztt should be doing a project by may, saunderson and atkins as well - intellex or some? Ok, anyone want to tell me more? I know of a pop-ish project by Derrick and Juan that never got released (mind you, it doesn't sound that pop, maybe thats why it never came out). The same thing? .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
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On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 10:01 AM, marsel wrote: better late then never I meant to chime in on this too -- Don Solaris is my favorite, in all its overly-romantic, uber-produced glory. I think it holds together as an album better than any of the others, and has some of the best vocal performances (Louise Rhodes, James Dean Bradfield) to boot.
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better late then never but i can agree on this one. the period with just before ninety and ex:el was the best. wasn't that fond of solaris (or what was the album after ex:el called?) with ninety and ex:el they got more & more their own typical sound, with olympic and lift etc. don't know even how to call it - but ninety in it's original form (not the tommy boy us version) is the best for me.. indeed with magical dream, donkey doctor, cobra bora and more - only eight/nine tracks - i mean, it really was an album i've been even to a concert, they did back then, in nighttown rotterdam at the same time, the shamen had their own sound system and did a tour as well, synergy or some like that? i got that video they did, called optical good to say mc tunes doing he dance chill moves :) at that time ztt should be doing a project by may, saunderson and atkins as well - intellex or some? At 13-12-2002 -0600 06:03, you wrote: you gotta be kidding me, their best stuff (in my opinion) was after he left Pacific State, Cobra Bora, album 90, album Ex:Cel, ect.. on 12/13/02 5:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anything they did when Gerald was a member is worth picking up as > well as > ALL Geralds early stuff. They weren't that good after he left imo... .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
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A good place to start listening might be the best of album which I think they released in 98 after 10 years, its called 88:98 or something like that. -- Mike Mann, Ravinder [CCS] wrote: overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go home and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes to mind.) Thanks for all the tips. True about FSOL, I can still go home and listen most of 'Lifeforms' without cringing to much esp the CD single. The same can be said about 'Insides' by Orbital which doesnt appear to have aged at all. Back to 808 who I didnt get into initailly expect for the 'Pacific' track, I think Ill give ex:el a listen and see how I get on. Cheers Rav
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the remix that aphex twin did for 808 state just plain rocks. - Original Message - From: "marsel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > > there were at least three records at that time using the 'love is the > message' sample, > (being a track on the back of infiltrate 202), lfo an other > but that grey piece of vinyl was in 1991, if i'm correct > > At 13-12-2002 + 15:39, you wrote: > >Or Altern8's Infiltrate 202 - "watch out for yer bass bins I'm telling yer!" > > > .. . :: http://nomorewords.net > >
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Tristan Watkins wrote on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 about following: > > > > beside orbital, 808state, and lfo > > at that time i used to be really into the shamen (their en-tact album) as > > well! > > am i the only one?? > > :) > > LOL. I had that 'Move Any Mountain' remix CD with like 98,065,347 different > versions. O V E R K I L L. :) http://www.discogs.com/release/79876 The 666 > Edit by Evil Eddie Richards was s bd! well i got that 3x12" as well as quite a bunch of other shamen 12"'s from 90 to 92 (my favourite shamen era). i think they did good dance pop with style. (not forgetting the humor either). sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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- Original Message - From: "marsel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital) > > beside orbital, 808state, and lfo > at that time i used to be really into the shamen (their en-tact album) as well! > am i the only one?? > :) LOL. I had that 'Move Any Mountain' remix CD with like 98,065,347 different versions. O V E R K I L L. :) http://www.discogs.com/release/79876 The 666 Edit by Evil Eddie Richards was s bd! Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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there were at least three records at that time using the 'love is the message' sample, (being a track on the back of infiltrate 202), lfo an other but that grey piece of vinyl was in 1991, if i'm correct At 13-12-2002 + 15:39, you wrote: Or Altern8's Infiltrate 202 - "watch out for yer bass bins I'm telling yer!" .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
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beside orbital, 808state, and lfo at that time i used to be really into the shamen (their en-tact album) as well! am i the only one?? :) that green orbital album, the first lfo album, and ninety and ex:el they all took me into more 'serious'/listening techno .. i'm feeling really old, as i realize it's already over ten years ago At 13-12-2002 + 14:56, you wrote: Just some additional info on the posts made. FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST (see Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key that they did on Earthbeat. As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what happened to him when he left/was pushed from 808 State, called "Specific Hate", in which he uses samples of the phone message (apparently, he was kicked from 808 State over the phone), and he whistles the tune from Pacific State all the way through. Not sure of the label, but I remember it had a Club as the label logo (as in Hearts, Spades, Diamonds). Voodoo Ray got hammered, but the promo of it had a great track "Blow Your House Down" on the flip-side, which was later hashed into a more thumping version on the Chicago Symphony EP (red vinyl bootleg-type affair). As for LFO? Frequencies is probably one of the finest albums of the 90's. LFO's "LFO" had a bit of a rough ride though, as Steve Wright ((ex-)BBC Radio One "deejay") claimed at the time that it was the worst record he had ever heard, but was under strict instructions to play the track, as it had been placed on the "B"-list for airing. John Peel still gave them alot of praise tho at the time, and rightly so. Mark Bell's gone on to do production work for Bjork's "Homogenic" and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's been doing work under G-Man and "presents Tony Montana", but the work is a bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production work. "Track 4" from the "LFO (Leeds Warehouse)" 12" is still a most glorious example of how to put together atmospherics, bleep and base. Sweet Exorcist's "Test One", that can be traced far further back... half of Sweet Exorcist is Cabarat Voltaire's Richard H. Kirk. The Cabs "Body & Soul" LP is probably one of the most underestimated LP's within the early stream of techno that was coing from the UK in the early 90's. The similarities between some of the work that Mills did with Waveform Transmissions Vol.1 and X-102 are scarey-close. And finally... Orbital. If you get chance to dig around, pick up the two Mutations EP's... the reworking of Chime is fantastic. .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
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Matthew MacQueen wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Also Gerald's Automannik (sp?) LP also gives some production credits > to Carl Craig and I think Derrick May (who did a remix of FX for > Gerald IIRC). Not too hard to find in the US as it was on Sire (!) there was Derrick May remix on Automanikk the single; b2 "derrick may the force be with you mix". my copy is released on CBS uk. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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One night in 1993 on vrave (late great online chat system), we had people on four continents tapping out the melody to Cubik in sequence. Everything was pretty new then, including the Internet, and now everyone's been there done that got the spam :) fred
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Mike Brown wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > You know, folks, there are discographies out there.. would save us some of > this speculation and fuzzy recollections of records that might've been... there are, for example discogs.com; there's plenty of good info there, but there's just too much errors in there. in general there seems to be very little possibilities verifying all entries in such system as discogs.com (just an example); many old labels aren't around anymore and there was plenty of similar cut up jobs (did i say bootleg?) like the stakker humanoid mix i was talking about, without any further info; very difficult job indeed. so in the end we would end up speculating it anyway.. i seem to use quite many "there" words in there! :) sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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Sakari Karipuro wrote: > nope i'm sure it isn't that one; the mix was definitely sort of > cut'n'paste (on reel-to-reel) job between original mix and the omen > mix, mostly with pieces of the track without 303, and it was just a > little bit faster than the omen mix (probably because of reel-to-reel, > vinyl pressing, etc). i called my friend and he said that the a-side has > original mix and the strange mix on b-side is "the other mix". forgot to > ask the year though, but definitely '88/'89 era. This is surely not the one you're talking about, but in 1992 the abysmal ZYX label released a "Stakker Humanoid 92" 12-inch with 3 barely-distinguishable mixes that attempted to incorporate as many ravey cliches as possible, particularly those "zipper" synth noises as popularized in a some remixes by Joey Beltram. You know, folks, there are discographies out there.. would save us some of this speculation and fuzzy recollections of records that might've been... Mike -- Mike J. Brown | http://skew.org/~mike/resume/ Denver, CO, USA | http://skew.org/xml/
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Matthew MacQueen wrote: > and didn't SPecific Hate also appear on the FX 12" Yes. It's also online, as "spesiphic hate": http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/51/a_guy_called_gerald.html
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That's the one. Nice one Matt. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk "A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows." > -Original Message- > From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 20:09 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Cc: P dircon; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city > > > and didn't SPecific Hate also appear on the FX 12" (with the > mayday remix?) I have a couple copies at home, I find that record > at 2nd hand stores everywhere. >
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> i've only heard just few mixes of stakker humanoid; all of them > from '88! :) (12" i have has 3, original, radio edit and the omen mix) One thing I never confirmed: Is the robotic vocal sample throughout Humanoid that says "intruder alert" a sample from that Bezerk 80's arcade videogame? I think I have the same 12", mine is marbeled purple vinyl on Jumpin' & Pumpin' (a label name that has always made me chuckle BTW) silly trivia, but I always wondered and the sample sounded so strangely familiar. peace, Matt MacQueen
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> Yeah the original ep was a four track affair. With 2 great acid > tracks and blow your house down ..this was sampled for 33 1/3rd queen on nu > groove Yes.. that Searchin track on the red vinyl "chicago symphony" bootleg has the version with the super EQ'd kick, right? and didn't SPecific Hate also appear on the FX 12" (with the mayday remix?) I have a couple copies at home, I find that record at 2nd hand stores everywhere. Also Gerald's Automannik (sp?) LP also gives some production credits to Carl Craig and I think Derrick May (who did a remix of FX for Gerald IIRC). Not too hard to find in the US as it was on Sire (!) > Other great gerald tracks... Let yourself go... Which was with 808 satet > wikked acid tune... Yes! this is the jam! I also really like the acidic stuff on Newbuild like "flow coma" etc... basically experiments in really early UK acid, not to be missed.
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> Dont forget about Rob Gordon's 1989 "Unique 3 - The Theme" on 10 Records man that is an incredible 12-inch all around! "7 a.m." is the b-side and it rocks too... peace, Matt MacQueen
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> Cubik was a classic at Medusa's in Chicago around '90 and received > consistent play well into '91. Claude Young (king of the "drop in") has been known to drop this one into his sets on rare occassions :)
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Robert Taylor wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > I think that it's being released in the US as FSOL - hence the artwork in > the links you posted. as i said in my earlier post: "Isness" was released in europe as The Future Sound of London" but in US it was released as "Amorphous Androgynous", or was it the other way around. strange stuff indeed. ^ | cheers, sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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I think that it's being released in the US as FSOL - hence the artwork in the links you posted. Look at these: http://www.isness.fsnet.co.uk/ http://www.futuresoundoflondon.fsnet.co.uk/isness.htm -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:14 PM To: 'Sakari Karipuro'; Robert Taylor Cc: Klaas-Jan Jongsma; Fabrizio Nahum; 313 Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Ex orcist & Orbital) Mine must be misprint then! Perhaps it's worth a bit. -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:57 PM To: Robert Taylor Cc: Klaas-Jan Jongsma; Fabrizio Nahum; 313 Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Ex orcist & Orbital) Robert Taylor wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Er...I have it and it's definitely Amorphous Androgynous, rather than FSOL. review: http://www.releasemagazine.net/Onrecord/orfsolti.htm with cover pic with FSOL text http://www.rewireviews.com/FSOLIsness.asp cleopatra (their us label) tells about the misprint, refers to The Future Sound of London http://www.cleorecs.com/ sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robert Taylor wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Mine must be misprint then! > Perhaps it's worth a bit. no, as i said, it was supposedly released with different name in europe than in usa, according to the hype i remember i read when it was released, august or so. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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Mine must be misprint then! Perhaps it's worth a bit. -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:57 PM To: Robert Taylor Cc: Klaas-Jan Jongsma; Fabrizio Nahum; 313 Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Ex orcist & Orbital) Robert Taylor wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Er...I have it and it's definitely Amorphous Androgynous, rather than FSOL. review: http://www.releasemagazine.net/Onrecord/orfsolti.htm with cover pic with FSOL text http://www.rewireviews.com/FSOLIsness.asp cleopatra (their us label) tells about the misprint, refers to The Future Sound of London http://www.cleorecs.com/ sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robert Taylor wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Er...I have it and it's definitely Amorphous Androgynous, rather than FSOL. review: http://www.releasemagazine.net/Onrecord/orfsolti.htm with cover pic with FSOL text http://www.rewireviews.com/FSOLIsness.asp cleopatra (their us label) tells about the misprint, refers to The Future Sound of London http://www.cleorecs.com/ sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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Er...I have it and it's definitely Amorphous Androgynous, rather than FSOL. -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:41 PM To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: Fabrizio Nahum; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital) Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > At 18:25 +0100 13-12-2002, Fabrizio Nahum wrote: > > > > >> That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. > > > >Dont forget Amorphous Androgynous > > In the latest Future Music was an interview with FSOL, thy said they > are releasing a new Amorphous Androgynous album... "Isness" was released in europe as The Future Sound of London" but in US it was released as "Amorphous Androgynous", or was it the other way around. strange stuff indeed. juno had it btw under The Future Sound of London presents Amorphous Androgynous. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > At 18:25 +0100 13-12-2002, Fabrizio Nahum wrote: > > > > >> That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. > > > >Dont forget Amorphous Androgynous > > In the latest Future Music was an interview with FSOL, thy said they > are releasing a new Amorphous Androgynous album... "Isness" was released in europe as The Future Sound of London" but in US it was released as "Amorphous Androgynous", or was it the other way around. strange stuff indeed. juno had it btw under The Future Sound of London presents Amorphous Androgynous. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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Gerald wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. I was > into all of those when they came out, and luckily enough i have them all > on vinyl. there's of course "amorphous androgynous" whose first album "tales of ephidrina" is excellent. released in '93.. :) sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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Gerald wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Sakari Karipuro wrote: > > > > and i recently heard from a friend this really strange edit on beatbox > > records. > > I remember seeing a remix called the Snowball mix (or something like > that), and if i remember correctly it was a downtempo, dubby kinda mix. > Don't know if this is the one you're talking about though. nope i'm sure it isn't that one; the mix was definitely sort of cut'n'paste (on reel-to-reel) job between original mix and the omen mix, mostly with pieces of the track without 303, and it was just a little bit faster than the omen mix (probably because of reel-to-reel, vinyl pressing, etc). i called my friend and he said that the a-side has original mix and the strange mix on b-side is "the other mix". forgot to ask the year though, but definitely '88/'89 era. oh, and everyone, please remember; "Humanoid" is the artist, "Stakker Humanoid" is the track name :) sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Ex orcist & Orbital)
The new one is a mixed bag - great sitar playing, incredible production but godawful prog-rock singing from Cobain himself - extremely self-indulgent stuff - but it's no surprise from someone who has been holed up in his studio for three years drinking his own urine. -Original Message- From: Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Fabrizio Nahum Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital) Yeah, i remembered that one. Gorgeous album that i still like to listen to. Fabrizio Nahum wrote: > > > > > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. > > Dont forget Amorphous Androgynous > > - Original Message - > From: "Gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > Craig Harrison wrote: > > > > > > Just some additional info on the posts made. > > > > > > FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST > (see > > > Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various > > > guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key > that > > > they did on Earthbeat. > > > > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. I was > > into all of those when they came out, and luckily enough i have them all > > on vinyl. Stakker - Humanoid, Mental Cube - Q, and AST - Esus Flow. > > Funny, but i never checked who the writers were of any of them. I just > > liked the sound at the time. > > > > G > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 18:25 +0100 13-12-2002, Fabrizio Nahum wrote: > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. Dont forget Amorphous Androgynous In the latest Future Music was an interview with FSOL, thy said they are releasing a new Amorphous Androgynous album... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, i remembered that one. Gorgeous album that i still like to listen to. Fabrizio Nahum wrote: > > > > > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. > > Dont forget Amorphous Androgynous > > - Original Message - > From: "Gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > Craig Harrison wrote: > > > > > > Just some additional info on the posts made. > > > > > > FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST > (see > > > Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various > > > guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key > that > > > they did on Earthbeat. > > > > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. I was > > into all of those when they came out, and luckily enough i have them all > > on vinyl. Stakker - Humanoid, Mental Cube - Q, and AST - Esus Flow. > > Funny, but i never checked who the writers were of any of them. I just > > liked the sound at the time. > > > > G > >
Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
> > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. Dont forget Amorphous Androgynous - Original Message - From: "Gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital) > Craig Harrison wrote: > > > > Just some additional info on the posts made. > > > > FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST (see > > Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various > > guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key that > > they did on Earthbeat. > > That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. I was > into all of those when they came out, and luckily enough i have them all > on vinyl. Stakker - Humanoid, Mental Cube - Q, and AST - Esus Flow. > Funny, but i never checked who the writers were of any of them. I just > liked the sound at the time. > > G >
Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, SweetExorcist & Orbital)
Sakari Karipuro wrote: > > Craig Harrison wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > i dunno, i've only heard just few mixes of stakker humanoid; all of them > from '88! :) (12" i have has 3, original, radio edit and the omen mix) > and i recently heard from a friend this really strange edit on beatbox > records. I remember seeing a remix called the Snowball mix (or something like that), and if i remember correctly it was a downtempo, dubby kinda mix. Don't know if this is the one you're talking about though. Cheers! G
Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Craig Harrison wrote: > > Just some additional info on the posts made. > > FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST (see > Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various > guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key that > they did on Earthbeat. That's freakin' weird. I never knew that FSOL had so many guises. I was into all of those when they came out, and luckily enough i have them all on vinyl. Stakker - Humanoid, Mental Cube - Q, and AST - Esus Flow. Funny, but i never checked who the writers were of any of them. I just liked the sound at the time. G
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Dont forget about Rob Gordon's 1989 "Unique 3 - The Theme" on 10 Records Craig Harrison wrote: If you're looking for the introduction of basslines to UK techno, then you've got to look at Renegade Soundwave's "The Phantom (Its In There)" (1989). -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 15:29 To: P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State - Original Message - From: "P dircon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "techno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) 808 State Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop when it came in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd queen and lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first' debate is a bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline is really a triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the production. I mean, it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that imitated, if not copied it. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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Yeah, definitely 1990: 1990 Plus 8 Records Ltd. Published by Plus 8 Records Ltd. 12" originally released 1990 I think at best "Technarchy" and "Cubik" were concurrent -- kinda like the whole "Alleys of Your Mind" vs. "Sharevari" thing. -d On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, P dircon wrote: > Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop when it came > in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd queen and > lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Well I never. Don't let anybody say that you don't learn something new here everyday. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk "A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows." > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 16:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > > In a message dated 12/13/02 10:28:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", > > another response to the 808 State situation? >> > > The reason why it's Voodoo Ray as opposed to Voodoo Rage was > because Gerald's > sampler ran out of time and cut off the last syllable. True story. > > pw
Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city
On 12/13/02 6:07 PM, "P dircon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah the original ep was a four track affair. With 2 great acid tracks and
> blow your house down ..this was sampled for 33 1/3rd queen on nu groove
>
> Originally it was voodoo rage but the tape ran out or something...
All this reminiscing--I remember being at the Shelter for Gerald's live show
in 1990, and the noise that Alan made on Fast Forward about the 808
break-up. ("Get Gerald Paid," anyone?) Blow Your House Down was HUGE in
Detroit. He reprised his performance at DEMF 1:
http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=Broadcast
Detail&page=detail_broadcast.jsp&HTMLType=Detail&BroadcastEventID=1088
I seem to recall another track that was big around the same time was T99's
"Anaesthesia". Thanks for the memories, 313.
--
im
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, techno wrote: > UR was influinced by skizzo. LOL -- now there's a genre for you. The Belgians trying to cling to days of New Beat.
Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
In a message dated 12/13/02 10:28:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", another response to the 808 State situation? >> The reason why it's Voodoo Ray as opposed to Voodoo Rage was because Gerald's sampler ran out of time and cut off the last syllable. True story. pw
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Craig Harrison wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > If you get chance, try and look for AST (Art Science Technology) - "Asus > Flow". It came out before Stakker was released on Westside (I think). ok gotta keep my eye on this one. > There > are quite a few remix 12"'s of Humanoid tho.. the Plump DJ's mix that's used > in Wipeout Fusion is a real tasty affair. i dunno, i've only heard just few mixes of stakker humanoid; all of them from '88! :) (12" i have has 3, original, radio edit and the omen mix) and i recently heard from a friend this really strange edit on beatbox records. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Ahh, my apologies. /me keeps eyes open. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk "A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows." > -Original Message- > From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 15:54 > To: Craig Harrison > Cc: 313 > Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > Craig Harrison wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > > > I'm still trying to hunt down a copy of the video they did > shortly after... > > If you see something called "Stakker Eurotechno" or something like that, > > grab it and hold tight. It later got used by Pot Noodle over in the UK. > > i've seen it, thanks to a fellow listmember; but as i mentioned, the > soundtrack for that video will be released on rephlex in the near > future. > > sakke > -- > - * time to jack * - > http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html >
RE: (313) 808 State
Hehe - knew Mark Archer pretty well (I was at Uni and lived in Stafford for
a few years after). He used to get all the Transmat tracks through Network,
but worse still was the fact that he had 2 copies of Techno : The New Dance
Sound Of Detroit, and the only way that he would give me one was if I got
him a 12" copy of "Summertime" (yes... that Will Smith person). Also went
around his house while he was doing a remix of a Michelle Gayle
(ex-Eastenders) track, but said that he wasn't enjoying it... only after
hearing the vocal that they'd sent him could you understand why. Never heard
singing so bad.
Never met Chris Peat (knowingly at least). I know that his brother did some
time for dealing tho.
It summed it all up when Mark was asked to respond to what the tabloids were
saying at the time, and that Stafford was "Techno City"... he said.. the
only thing techno about Stafford is the lifts in the local shopping centre.
BTW. If anyone is interested, http://www.aeonflux.co.uk - it's playing most
of the artists mentioned (LFO, 808 State, Sweet Exorcist, A Guy Called
Gerald ("Blow Your House Down" is on there too). Scroll down a bit on the
main page, and you'll see the artists on the play list.
Dscaper
--
Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk
"A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign
of a man who knows."
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 13 December 2002 15:40
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Tristan Watkins; P dircon; Odeluga, Ken;
> techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) 808 State
>
>
> Or Altern8's Infiltrate 202 - "watch out for yer bass bins I'm
> telling yer!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: Tristan Watkins; P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson;
> 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) 808 State
>
>
> If you're looking for the introduction of basslines to UK techno, then
> you've got to look at Renegade Soundwave's "The Phantom (Its In There)"
> (1989).
>
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 13 December 2002 15:29
> > To: P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -----
> > From: "P dircon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "techno"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <313@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State
> >
> >
> > > Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop
> > when it came
> > > in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd
> > queen and
> > > lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time
> >
> >
> > Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first'
> debate is a
> > bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline
> is really a
> > triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the
> production. I mean,
> > it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that
> imitated, if
> > not copied it.
> >
> > Tristan
> > =
> > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com
> > Music: http://www.mp313.com
> > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for
> > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Craig Harrison wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > I'm still trying to hunt down a copy of the video they did shortly after... > If you see something called "Stakker Eurotechno" or something like that, > grab it and hold tight. It later got used by Pot Noodle over in the UK. i've seen it, thanks to a fellow listmember; but as i mentioned, the soundtrack for that video will be released on rephlex in the near future. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
RE: (313) 808 State
Or Altern8's Infiltrate 202 - "watch out for yer bass bins I'm telling yer!" -Original Message- From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:43 PM To: Tristan Watkins; P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 808 State If you're looking for the introduction of basslines to UK techno, then you've got to look at Renegade Soundwave's "The Phantom (Its In There)" (1989). > -Original Message- > From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 15:29 > To: P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > > - Original Message - > From: "P dircon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "techno" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > > > Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop > when it came > > in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd > queen and > > lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time > > > Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first' debate is a > bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline is really a > triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the production. I mean, > it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that imitated, if > not copied it. > > Tristan > = > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > Music: http://www.mp313.com > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you're looking for the introduction of basslines to UK techno, then you've got to look at Renegade Soundwave's "The Phantom (Its In There)" (1989). > -Original Message- > From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 15:29 > To: P dircon; Odeluga, Ken; techno; Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > > - Original Message - > From: "P dircon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "techno" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > > > Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop > when it came > > in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd > queen and > > lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time > > > Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first' debate is a > bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline is really a > triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the production. I mean, > it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that imitated, if > not copied it. > > Tristan > = > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > Music: http://www.mp313.com > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > >
Re: (313) 808 State
- Original Message - From: "P dircon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "techno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop when it came > in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd queen and > lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time Cubik was 1990 as well. really I think the 'which came first' debate is a bit overblown with these two songs though, as neither bassline is really a triumph of melodic construction. It was more about the production. I mean, it's a 2-bar loop, and just think of the countless spawn that imitated, if not copied it. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
That cleared that one up. :) > -Original Message- > From: Eric Scuccimarra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 15:10 > To: Brendan Nelson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > > >If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", > >another response to the 808 State situation? > > Voodoo Rage was a jungle/DNB remix of Voodoo Ray down on the Black Secret > Technology album. Great album as far as that genre is concerned, > in my opinion. > >
RE: (313) 808 State
You know, we shouldn't be too hard on ourselves (in Europe you mean). A lot of that hardcore has deep roots in the US industrial movement which definitely predates even many people on this list! Granted, there were a lot of Europeans doing the same thing, but I'd say it's quite difficult to draw a distinct line and be able to say: 'it was *you* what started it!' Also re. hardcore, remember Generator-era Oldham and his little stable? It's not like we were marauding Saxons going over and deflowering this lovely music, it worked both ways (that Oldham fellow mindful of getting a kick in the head next time I see him, here ;) what a sterling chap! - err, joshing. "Dreaming Detroit" - Marco Passarani (& someone else) Generaror, 1995, getting hard, but bloody good - *and* soulful. k >-Original Message- >From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:13 PM >To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; 'Odeluga, Ken'; Tristan Watkins; Brendan >Nelson; 313 >Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > >Halcyon times for British techno? Or a sign of worse to come? Remember, >rave and hardcore were just around the corner. but thank god for Black >Dog! > > > > >- Original Message - >From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: 'Odeluga, Ken' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tristan Watkins ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313 <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:14 PM >Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > > >> > overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go >> > home >> > and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' >comes >> > to mind.) >> > >> Thanks for all the tips. True about FSOL, I can still go home and >> listen most >> of 'Lifeforms' without cringing to much esp the CD single. The same >> can be said >> about 'Insides' by Orbital which doesnt appear to have aged at all. >> >> Back to 808 who I didnt get into initailly expect for the 'Pacific' >> track, I think Ill >> give ex:el a listen and see how I get on. >> >> Cheers >> >> Rav >> >
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
If you get chance, try and look for AST (Art Science Technology) - "Asus Flow". It came out before Stakker was released on Westside (I think). There are quite a few remix 12"'s of Humanoid tho.. the Plump DJ's mix that's used in Wipeout Fusion is a real tasty affair. I'm still trying to hunt down a copy of the video they did shortly after... If you see something called "Stakker Eurotechno" or something like that, grab it and hold tight. It later got used by Pot Noodle over in the UK. > -Original Message- > From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 15:09 > To: Craig Harrison > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > umm, Humanoid was Brian Dougans solo project. (track was called "Stakker > Humanoid"). there were other tracks by Humanoid but i can't remember the > titles for now. > >
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Cybersonik was definitely 1990 I remember being in the shop when it came in on +8 the future sound of detroit along with 33 1/3 rd queen and lost entity bring that beat back I bought them at the same time > Alright, I'll give you that. A *rare* case of me being wrong ;o) > > Actually, though, do you know the year? 'Technarchy' I know was no later > than 1991. > >> -Original Message- >> From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:25 PM >> To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: (313) 808 State >> >> >> on 12/13/02 7:43 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Did Cubic predate Technarchy? >> >> Yes. >> >>
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city
People should also check out Gerald's Hot Lemonade album. -Original Message- From: P dircon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city > > As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what happened to him when > he left/was pushed from 808 State, called "Specific Hate", in which he uses > samples of the phone message (apparently, he was kicked from 808 State over > the phone), and he whistles the tune from Pacific State all the way through. > Not sure of the label, but I remember it had a Club as the label logo (as in > Hearts, Spades, Diamonds). Voodoo Ray got hammered, but the promo of it had > a great track "Blow Your House Down" on the flip-side, which was later > hashed into a more thumping version on the Chicago Symphony EP (red vinyl > bootleg-type affair). Yeah the original ep was a four track affair. With 2 great acid tracks and blow your house down ..this was sampled for 33 1/3rd queen on nu groove Originally it was voodoo rage but the tape ran out or something... Other great gerald tracks... Let yourself go... Which was with 808 satet wikked acid tune... Rockin ricki on eel sessions.. And I got a white label called trip city which a tape was released along with a bok... I tihnk the trip city is bloody hard to get tho... > > As for LFO? Frequencies is probably one of the finest albums of the 90's. > LFO's "LFO" had a bit of a rough ride though, as Steve Wright ((ex-)BBC > Radio One "deejay") claimed at the time that it was the worst record he > had ever heard, but was under strict instructions to play the track, as it > had been placed on the "B"-list for airing. John Peel still gave them alot > of praise tho at the time, and rightly so. Mark Bell's gone on to do > production work for Bjork's "Homogenic" and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's > been doing work under G-Man and "presents Tony Montana", but the work is a > bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production work. "Track 4" > from the "LFO (Leeds Warehouse)" 12" is still a most glorious example of how > to put together atmospherics, bleep and base. > > Sweet Exorcist's "Test One", that can be traced far further back... half of > Sweet Exorcist is Cabarat Voltaire's Richard H. Kirk. The Cabs "Body & Soul" > LP is probably one of the most underestimated LP's within the early stream > of techno that was coing from the UK in the early 90's. The similarities > between some of the work that Mills did with Waveform Transmissions Vol.1 > and X-102 are scarey-close. > > And finally... Orbital. If you get chance to dig around, pick up the two > Mutations EP's... the reworking of Chime is fantastic. > >> -Original Message- >> From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 13 December 2002 13:43 >> To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: (313) 808 State >> >> >> UR was influinced by skizzo. >> >> on 12/13/02 8:05 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" >>> influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", >>> which I don't actually think it does! >>> >>> Brendan >> > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alright, I'll give you that. A *rare* case of me being wrong ;o) Actually, though, do you know the year? 'Technarchy' I know was no later than 1991. >-Original Message- >From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:25 PM >To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > >on 12/13/02 7:43 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Did Cubic predate Technarchy? > >Yes. > >
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Ex orcist & Orbital)
. If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", another response to the 808 State situation? >Believe it or not, it is a sample of Peter Cook from the Bo Duddley sketch from the British TV show Not Only But Also and he IS saying "Voodoo rage"! Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", another response to the 808 State situation? Voodoo Rage was a jungle/DNB remix of Voodoo Ray down on the Black Secret Technology album. Great album as far as that genre is concerned, in my opinion.
Re: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, trip city
> > As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what happened to him when > he left/was pushed from 808 State, called "Specific Hate", in which he uses > samples of the phone message (apparently, he was kicked from 808 State over > the phone), and he whistles the tune from Pacific State all the way through. > Not sure of the label, but I remember it had a Club as the label logo (as in > Hearts, Spades, Diamonds). Voodoo Ray got hammered, but the promo of it had > a great track "Blow Your House Down" on the flip-side, which was later > hashed into a more thumping version on the Chicago Symphony EP (red vinyl > bootleg-type affair). Yeah the original ep was a four track affair. With 2 great acid tracks and blow your house down ..this was sampled for 33 1/3rd queen on nu groove Originally it was voodoo rage but the tape ran out or something... Other great gerald tracks... Let yourself go... Which was with 808 satet wikked acid tune... Rockin ricki on eel sessions.. And I got a white label called trip city which a tape was released along with a bok... I tihnk the trip city is bloody hard to get tho... > > As for LFO? Frequencies is probably one of the finest albums of the 90's. > LFO's "LFO" had a bit of a rough ride though, as Steve Wright ((ex-)BBC > Radio One "deejay") claimed at the time that it was the worst record he > had ever heard, but was under strict instructions to play the track, as it > had been placed on the "B"-list for airing. John Peel still gave them alot > of praise tho at the time, and rightly so. Mark Bell's gone on to do > production work for Bjork's "Homogenic" and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's > been doing work under G-Man and "presents Tony Montana", but the work is a > bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production work. "Track 4" > from the "LFO (Leeds Warehouse)" 12" is still a most glorious example of how > to put together atmospherics, bleep and base. > > Sweet Exorcist's "Test One", that can be traced far further back... half of > Sweet Exorcist is Cabarat Voltaire's Richard H. Kirk. The Cabs "Body & Soul" > LP is probably one of the most underestimated LP's within the early stream > of techno that was coing from the UK in the early 90's. The similarities > between some of the work that Mills did with Waveform Transmissions Vol.1 > and X-102 are scarey-close. > > And finally... Orbital. If you get chance to dig around, pick up the two > Mutations EP's... the reworking of Chime is fantastic. > >> -Original Message- >> From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 13 December 2002 13:43 >> To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: (313) 808 State >> >> >> UR was influinced by skizzo. >> >> on 12/13/02 8:05 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" >>> influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", >>> which I don't actually think it does! >>> >>> Brendan >> >
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Craig Harrison wrote on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 about following: > Just some additional info on the posts made. > > FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST (see > Asus Flow). umm, Humanoid was Brian Dougans solo project. (track was called "Stakker Humanoid"). there were other tracks by Humanoid but i can't remember the titles for now. > There's an old compilation out there of all their various > guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key that > they did on Earthbeat. Humanoid was released on westside records, and my copy is on ZYX.. there will be compilation of Humanoid tracks on rephlex soon. as well as soundtrack for their legendary eurotechno -video will be released on rephlex. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
I think Voodoo Rage was the name of the EP that Specific Hate came out on, but memory doesn't serve me too well these days. f it wasn't, it shows one thing... Gerald wasn't happy. :) Yeah, I think I got me Varley's and Bell's mixed up. Good to hear about Bell is doing some work as LFO tho... very good. > -Original Message- > From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 14:58 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet > Exorcist & Orbital) > > > | -Original Message- > | From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: 13 December 2002 14:56 > | > | As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what > | happened to him when he left/was pushed from 808 State, > | called "Specific Hate", in which he uses samples of the > | phone message (apparently, he was kicked from > | 808 State over the phone)... > > If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", > another response to the 808 State situation? > > | Mark Bell's gone on to do production work for Bjork's > | "Homogenic" and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's been doing > | work under G-Man and "presents Tony Montana", but the work > | is a bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production > | work. > > I think you mean "than Bell's production work"! They basically split up > because Varley was keen on pursuing a more straightforward clubby and > dancey sound than Mark Bell, who was keen to maintain the air of > sparseness and experimentalism in LFO's music. Mark Bell has put out a > huge amount of material under other guises, though, including the > Speedjack EPs on R&S, the Lofthouse EP on Planet E, and a bunch of other > stuff. He's working on a new LFO album at the moment. > > Brendan
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
| -Original Message- | From: Craig Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 14:56 | | As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what | happened to him when he left/was pushed from 808 State, | called "Specific Hate", in which he uses samples of the | phone message (apparently, he was kicked from | 808 State over the phone)... If I remember correctly, wasn't "Voodoo Ray" originally "Voodoo Rage", another response to the 808 State situation? | Mark Bell's gone on to do production work for Bjork's | "Homogenic" and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's been doing | work under G-Man and "presents Tony Montana", but the work | is a bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production | work. I think you mean "than Bell's production work"! They basically split up because Varley was keen on pursuing a more straightforward clubby and dancey sound than Mark Bell, who was keen to maintain the air of sparseness and experimentalism in LFO's music. Mark Bell has put out a huge amount of material under other guises, though, including the Speedjack EPs on R&S, the Lofthouse EP on Planet E, and a bunch of other stuff. He's working on a new LFO album at the moment. Brendan
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I thought that Gerald was involved in Pacific State and didnt get credited and thats what lead him to call one of his tracks Specific Hate - or am I misinformed? Cheers BT > >you gotta be kidding me, their best stuff (in my opinion) was after he left >Pacific State, Cobra Bora, album 90, album Ex:Cel, ect.. > >on 12/13/02 5:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Anything they did when Gerald was a member is worth picking up as > > well as > > ALL Geralds early stuff. They weren't that good after he left imo... Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
RE: (313) 808 State (and A Guy Called Gerald, FSOL, LFO, Sweet Exorcist & Orbital)
Just some additional info on the posts made. FSOL's took the Stakker theme from one of their previous projects, AST (see Asus Flow). There's an old compilation out there of all their various guises, such as Yage, Mental Cube, Stakker... basically everything key that they did on Earthbeat. As for A Guy Called Gerald, he did a response to what happened to him when he left/was pushed from 808 State, called "Specific Hate", in which he uses samples of the phone message (apparently, he was kicked from 808 State over the phone), and he whistles the tune from Pacific State all the way through. Not sure of the label, but I remember it had a Club as the label logo (as in Hearts, Spades, Diamonds). Voodoo Ray got hammered, but the promo of it had a great track "Blow Your House Down" on the flip-side, which was later hashed into a more thumping version on the Chicago Symphony EP (red vinyl bootleg-type affair). As for LFO? Frequencies is probably one of the finest albums of the 90's. LFO's "LFO" had a bit of a rough ride though, as Steve Wright ((ex-)BBC Radio One "deejay") claimed at the time that it was the worst record he had ever heard, but was under strict instructions to play the track, as it had been placed on the "B"-list for airing. John Peel still gave them alot of praise tho at the time, and rightly so. Mark Bell's gone on to do production work for Bjork's "Homogenic" and for Depeche Mode too. Varley's been doing work under G-Man and "presents Tony Montana", but the work is a bit further away from LFO's roots than Varley's production work. "Track 4" from the "LFO (Leeds Warehouse)" 12" is still a most glorious example of how to put together atmospherics, bleep and base. Sweet Exorcist's "Test One", that can be traced far further back... half of Sweet Exorcist is Cabarat Voltaire's Richard H. Kirk. The Cabs "Body & Soul" LP is probably one of the most underestimated LP's within the early stream of techno that was coing from the UK in the early 90's. The similarities between some of the work that Mills did with Waveform Transmissions Vol.1 and X-102 are scarey-close. And finally... Orbital. If you get chance to dig around, pick up the two Mutations EP's... the reworking of Chime is fantastic. > -Original Message- > From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 December 2002 13:43 > To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > > UR was influinced by skizzo. > > on 12/13/02 8:05 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" > > influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", > > which I don't actually think it does! > > > > Brendan >
Re: (313) FSOL (was RE: (313) 808 State)
- Original Message - From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: (313) FSOL (was RE: (313) 808 State) > | -Original Message- > | From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: 13 December 2002 14:19 > | > | I think the first album 'Accelerator' holds up well today. > > Definitely - as do the Pulse EPs, which I was lucky enough to pick up in > an Edinburgh record shop for about £3 each two years ago! But if you > find the "Earth Beat" compilation of their pre-FSOL work, pick it up - > everything on there is made for the dancefloor, and although there are > some quite cheesy rave-style tracks (Smart Systems!), there are some > real gems on there. > > I have another pre-FSOL EP of theirs under the name "Intelligent > Communication" - pretty ahead of its time, really, and it has an amazing > wireframe cover! I'll need to check the other early stuff. I love Humanoid's 'Stakker'. That Flux Trax compilation gathered some gems. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
(313) FSOL (was RE: (313) 808 State)
| -Original Message- | From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 14:19 | | I think the first album 'Accelerator' holds up well today. Definitely - as do the Pulse EPs, which I was lucky enough to pick up in an Edinburgh record shop for about £3 each two years ago! But if you find the "Earth Beat" compilation of their pre-FSOL work, pick it up - everything on there is made for the dancefloor, and although there are some quite cheesy rave-style tracks (Smart Systems!), there are some real gems on there. I have another pre-FSOL EP of theirs under the name "Intelligent Communication" - pretty ahead of its time, really, and it has an amazing wireframe cover! Brendan
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make that: UR was *also* influinced by skizzo. on 12/13/02 7:42 AM, techno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > UR was influinced by skizzo. > > on 12/13/02 8:05 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" >> influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", >> which I don't actually think it does! >> >> Brendan
Re: (313) 808 State
- Original Message - From: "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Odeluga, Ken'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > > overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go > > home > > and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes > > to mind.) > > > Thanks for all the tips. True about FSOL, I can still go home and > listen most > of 'Lifeforms' without cringing to much esp the CD single. I think the first album 'Accelerator' holds up well today. 'While Others Cry' is brilliant. For about a decade I've been living an unfulfilled fantasy, waiting for them to make something for the dancefloor again. Something tells me I will not live to see that day... I read an interview with them a few months ago (can't find it for the life of me) where they said they thought the first album didn't date so well, but they still enjoy a few songs. They're crazy. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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UR was influinced by skizzo. on 12/13/02 8:05 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" > influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", > which I don't actually think it does! > > Brendan
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Well most of the people I knew at that time where into jazz funk, soul, rare groove and some of those liked Pacific because of it Jazz tech nature and Im sure would like some of the UR x to x output too > -Original Message- > From: Brendan Nelson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:05 PM > To: techno; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > > | -Original Message- > | From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: 13 December 2002 13:29 > | > | on 12/13/02 7:40 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > | > | > As for 'Cubik', although I'm not sure if I made the > | connection at the time, > | > I now think it's a poor copy of CyberSonik's 'Technarchy'. > | > > | > These factors, to me indicate a fragile legacy re. 808 State. > | > | that's not the case, cubik was before technarchy, the first > | release on plus 8 was influinced by uk bleep techno. > > In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" > influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", > which I don't actually think it does! > > Brendan
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Halcyon times for British techno? Or a sign of worse to come? Remember, rave and hardcore were just around the corner. but thank god for Black Dog! - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Odeluga, Ken' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tristan Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > > overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go > > home > > and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes > > to mind.) > > > Thanks for all the tips. True about FSOL, I can still go home and > listen most > of 'Lifeforms' without cringing to much esp the CD single. The same > can be said > about 'Insides' by Orbital which doesnt appear to have aged at all. > > Back to 808 who I didnt get into initailly expect for the 'Pacific' > track, I think Ill > give ex:el a listen and see how I get on. > > Cheers > > Rav >
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You gotta check out FSOL's earlier incarnation as Mental Cube. Q rocks. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:14 PM To: 'Odeluga, Ken'; Tristan Watkins; Brendan Nelson; Toby Frith; 313 Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go > home > and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes > to mind.) > Thanks for all the tips. True about FSOL, I can still go home and listen most of 'Lifeforms' without cringing to much esp the CD single. The same can be said about 'Insides' by Orbital which doesnt appear to have aged at all. Back to 808 who I didnt get into initailly expect for the 'Pacific' track, I think Ill give ex:el a listen and see how I get on. Cheers Rav Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 12/13/02 7:28 AM, techno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > that's not the case, cubik was before technarchy, the first release on plus > 8 was influinced by uk bleep techno. elements of tone (first + 8 record) was inspired by unique 3 the theme, or sweet exorcist test tone. i suspect kenny larkins first record was inspired by a todd terry acid house track on idlers which also samples mlks'famous speech.
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> overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go > home > and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes > to mind.) > Thanks for all the tips. True about FSOL, I can still go home and listen most of 'Lifeforms' without cringing to much esp the CD single. The same can be said about 'Insides' by Orbital which doesnt appear to have aged at all. Back to 808 who I didnt get into initailly expect for the 'Pacific' track, I think Ill give ex:el a listen and see how I get on. Cheers Rav
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| -Original Message- | From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 13:29 | | on 12/13/02 7:40 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | > As for 'Cubik', although I'm not sure if I made the | connection at the time, | > I now think it's a poor copy of CyberSonik's 'Technarchy'. | > | > These factors, to me indicate a fragile legacy re. 808 State. | | that's not the case, cubik was before technarchy, the first | release on plus 8 was influinced by uk bleep techno. In which case I'll put my foot right in it and say that "Pacific" influenced UR's "The Theory"... unless "The Theory" predates "Pacific", which I don't actually think it does! Brendan
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on 12/13/02 7:40 AM, Odeluga, Ken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As for 'Cubik', although I'm not sure if I made the connection at the time, > I now think it's a poor copy of CyberSonik's 'Technarchy'. > > These factors, to me indicate a fragile legacy re. 808 State. that's not the case, cubik was before technarchy, the first release on plus 8 was influinced by uk bleep techno.
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- Original Message - From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > As for 'Cubik', although I'm not sure if I made the connection at the time, > I now think it's a poor copy of CyberSonik's 'Technarchy'. It would not surprise me to find out that nearly every song I treasured in my techno infancy was a rip-off. :) Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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on 12/13/02 7:43 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Did Cubic predate Technarchy? Yes.
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PNG? NOW we're talking! Did anyone check "Translations"? Any opinions? Does anybody know if PNG got much play in Detroit? Dan. overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go home and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes to mind.)
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It wasn't number one, but it was fairly successful in the charts. I can listen to it fairly easy, but prefer the versions without the synth-sax bit (which reminds me a bit of Guru Josh sometimes). Overexposure to the track is probably what makes it difficult for you to listen to! It's the same with LFO "LFO", which did well in the charts and kind of suffered as a result - it's a brilliant track, but I never actually play it out because it's been somewhat overexposed. Did Cubic predate Technarchy? I wouldn't be surprised if they did copy it, though - at that time relatively few people in the UK were aware of what was coming out of the US, so a lot of early UK techno producers did plagiarise a bit... Brendan | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 13:40 | To: Tristan Watkins; Brendan Nelson; Toby Frith; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; | 313 | Subject: RE: (313) 808 State | | | Clearly I need to get with some more 808 state stuff - as for | myself, I can | barely listen to 'Pacific' anymore (wasn't it 'number one' in | the uk? Or am | I in a rare (!) obfuscated and horribly confused, er state. It was | overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I | could still go home | and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New | Guinea' comes | to mind.) | | As for 'Cubik', although I'm not sure if I made the | connection at the time, | I now think it's a poor copy of CyberSonik's 'Technarchy'. | | These factors, to me indicate a fragile legacy re. 808 State. | | But I need to hear much more of their stuff before I beg | 'ladies stay dead', | I admit. | k | | >-Original Message- | >From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:13 PM | >To: Brendan Nelson; Toby Frith; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; 313 | >Subject: Re: (313) 808 State | > | > | >- Original Message - | >From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >To: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" | ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> | >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:41 PM | >Subject: RE: (313) 808 State | > | > | >> If you own Ex:El then you get Pacific but also quite a few | tracks which | >> have dated really badly. | > | >Have to agree except for 'Cleo Leo'. That song has always | stood out as the | >track on Ex:el for me, but no matter how much I try to enjoy | 'Oops' or | >'Spanish Heart', it just isn't happening. :( | > | >Cubik was a classic at Medusa's in Chicago around '90 and received | >consistent play well into '91. Probably the first techno other | >than New Beat | >I ever heard. | > | >Tristan | >= | >Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com | >Music: http://www.mp313.com | >Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | >New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for | >a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com | > | > |
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He played at WANG not long ago, mostly deep house, a bit on the cheesy side (as was his "Jazz" style polo-neck), but good nonetheless. He was getting a pretty good response at the points when I wandered into that room. Dan P.S. If anyone on the list likes dub/reggae, I'm running a soundclash in London on the 23rd Dec (a proper one with full rig, MCs etc) which will be free entry. If anyone wants more details contact me off list, apologies for boring everyone else with this OT tangent. Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text btw, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what Gerald's up to? Last I heard he was living in NYC, but then my mate said he saw him in London the other day. Is he still doing his Juicebox thing? Anyone know? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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Pacific got loads of play in Detroit. Cubik got some play, but died quickly. Most people know 808 State because of Pacific, that's why they're reduced to just that track. Personally, I like Ex:El more than any other album of theirs. If they had only released instrumental versions of the tracks with the bad crooning on it... (I was never a bjork or sugarcubes fan) -Original Message- From: Niko Tzoukmanis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State speaking of 808 state, i really love them and i like all of their albums, but 90 is their best in my opinion- the most detroit related record however is quadrastate. the music they did from 93 (including the gorgeous album) takes quite a while to get into, you really should love them if you intend to buy them, same with their brand new album 'outpost transmission', released on circus (!) i am wondering about many people reducing this band to pacific, they've done a lot of other anthems, olympic for example is a great one too !! - Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > He DJed at a Theory-organised party called Retrovert in London, alongside > Mark Broom and Ben Sims a month or so ago, but I never went in that room so > I can't comment on what he played. I think he is still on a D'n'B tip. >
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Clearly I need to get with some more 808 state stuff - as for myself, I can barely listen to 'Pacific' anymore (wasn't it 'number one' in the uk? Or am I in a rare (!) obfuscated and horribly confused, er state. It was overplayed imo. But there are similar-era things which I could still go home and put on now with pleasant anticipation (FSOL's 'Papua New Guinea' comes to mind.) As for 'Cubik', although I'm not sure if I made the connection at the time, I now think it's a poor copy of CyberSonik's 'Technarchy'. These factors, to me indicate a fragile legacy re. 808 State. But I need to hear much more of their stuff before I beg 'ladies stay dead', I admit. k >-Original Message- >From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:13 PM >To: Brendan Nelson; Toby Frith; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; 313 >Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > > >- Original Message - >From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:41 PM >Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > > >> If you own Ex:El then you get Pacific but also quite a few tracks which >> have dated really badly. > >Have to agree except for 'Cleo Leo'. That song has always stood out as the >track on Ex:el for me, but no matter how much I try to enjoy 'Oops' or >'Spanish Heart', it just isn't happening. :( > >Cubik was a classic at Medusa's in Chicago around '90 and received >consistent play well into '91. Probably the first techno other >than New Beat >I ever heard. > >Tristan >= >Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com >Music: http://www.mp313.com >Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for >a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > >
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speaking of 808 state, i really love them and i like all of their albums, but 90 is their best in my opinion- the most detroit related record however is quadrastate. the music they did from 93 (including the gorgeous album) takes quite a while to get into, you really should love them if you intend to buy them, same with their brand new album 'outpost transmission', released on circus (!) i am wondering about many people reducing this band to pacific, they've done a lot of other anthems, olympic for example is a great one too !! - Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > He DJed at a Theory-organised party called Retrovert in London, alongside > Mark Broom and Ben Sims a month or so ago, but I never went in that room so > I can't comment on what he played. I think he is still on a D'n'B tip. >
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He DJed at a Theory-organised party called Retrovert in London, alongside Mark Broom and Ben Sims a month or so ago, but I never went in that room so I can't comment on what he played. I think he is still on a D'n'B tip. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:28 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 808 State Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text btw, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what Gerald's up to? Last I heard he was living in NYC, but then my mate said he saw him in London the other day. Is he still doing his Juicebox thing? Anyone know? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: (313) 808 State > btw, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what Gerald's up to? > > Last I heard he was living in NYC, but then my mate said he saw him in > London the other day. > > Is he still doing his Juicebox thing? Anyone know? He had quite a few gigs in London around November. Kept missing him though, so can't report on the music played. At least one night was one of the drum 'n bass nights at The End, so he hasn't given up on that. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text btw, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what Gerald's up to? Last I heard he was living in NYC, but then my mate said he saw him in London the other day. Is he still doing his Juicebox thing? Anyone know? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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on 12/13/02 7:00 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, I wasn't sure if it had even come out on vinyl. I visited the US in > 1990 or 1991 and got it on tape - I think the "State to State" thing > comes from a track on that album, and that it's actually called UTD.90. UTD.90 was the Tommy Boy version of album 90 with lots of extra tracks and "State to State" is the last track from that album. > I've destroyed too many brain cells in the intervening years, I think! I > lost all my tapes years ago, so will definitely look for it on vinyl - > the track that samples techno city was pretty nice I think (and back > then I didn't know about Cybotron, so presumed it was actually them...) The track with techno city is called Donkey Doctor.
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"Pacific 0101" from the Pacific 12" got loads of play on Detroit radio (there were 6 remixes of "Pacific" on that 12", I still have a cassette version of it). I do remember Gary Chandler playing "Cubik" from Ex:El back in '91-92. "Pacific 0101" is still my favorite track of all time. I doubt anything can replace it. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:03 AM To: '313' Subject: (313) 808 State Just been reading the Blake Baxter interview on Overloads and there seems to be an loads of references to 808 State in Detroit techno, so I like to hear some of thier material - which albums would you readers recomend ? thanks
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- Original Message - From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mann, Ravinder [CCS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: RE: (313) 808 State > If you own Ex:El then you get Pacific but also quite a few tracks which > have dated really badly. Have to agree except for 'Cleo Leo'. That song has always stood out as the track on Ex:el for me, but no matter how much I try to enjoy 'Oops' or 'Spanish Heart', it just isn't happening. :( Cubik was a classic at Medusa's in Chicago around '90 and received consistent play well into '91. Probably the first techno other than New Beat I ever heard. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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| -Original Message- | From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 12:22 | | on 12/13/02 6:41 AM, Brendan Nelson at | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | > If you own Ex:El then you get Pacific but also quite a few | tracks which | > have dated really badly. | | Pacific is not on the album Ex:cel *slaps head* This all stems from me having copied that album onto a 90 minute tape when it came out, and sticking Pacific on that tape too... | > If you own "State 2 State" (a US mini-album | > release from just after Ex:El) you get a really nice mix of | Pacific, and | > a bunch of other tracks that actually haven't dated badly at all. | > There's a track on there with the strings from Pacific | running over the | > "Welcome to techno city" Cybotron sample! I'd love to have that on | > vinyl... | | Buy the album UTD.90 on Tommy boy if you want Pacific and the | track that samples techno city. | I have the vinyl version, the mastering sounds really great for an LP, | shouldn't be too hard to find on ebay. Ah, I wasn't sure if it had even come out on vinyl. I visited the US in 1990 or 1991 and got it on tape - I think the "State to State" thing comes from a track on that album, and that it's actually called UTD.90. I've destroyed too many brain cells in the intervening years, I think! I lost all my tapes years ago, so will definitely look for it on vinyl - the track that samples techno city was pretty nice I think (and back then I didn't know about Cybotron, so presumed it was actually them...) Brendan
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on 12/13/02 6:41 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you own Ex:El then you get Pacific but also quite a few tracks which > have dated really badly. Pacific is not on the album Ex:cel > If you own "State 2 State" (a US mini-album > release from just after Ex:El) you get a really nice mix of Pacific, and > a bunch of other tracks that actually haven't dated badly at all. > There's a track on there with the strings from Pacific running over the > "Welcome to techno city" Cybotron sample! I'd love to have that on > vinyl... Buy the album UTD.90 on Tommy boy if you want Pacific and the track that samples techno city. I have the vinyl version, the mastering sounds really great for an LP, shouldn't be too hard to find on ebay.
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Yeah, I think Gerald actually contributed in quite a major way to Pacific and got ripped off quite badly by the rest of the group. The earlier 808 State material is good, but it's not as good as what was coming out of Detroit and Chicago at that time - for me, it's Pacific that really differentiated them from the music coming out of the US. As the Gerald-less 808 State started trying to come up with new material, though, it all went horribly wrong, and by the time Gorgeous came out 808 State records were more useful as frisbees than as things to actually listen to... (imho!) Brendan | -Original Message- | From: P dircon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 13 December 2002 20:47 | To: Brendan Nelson; Toby Frith; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; 313 | Subject: Re: (313) 808 State | | | Personally, in early days 88-89 when 808state included a | guy called gerald | they were pretty damn goos ... He left after the whole | pacific state thing | in 1990 after which I thought 808 state were pretty attrocious | | p | | > 808 State is basically Pacific 707 - I tend to think of their New | > Build-era material as passable but generic early techno, | and their post | > Ex:El material as noodly, overproduced "electronica", but | the Pacific | > track is an absolute classic. In many ways it is underrated | by a lot of | > Detroit techno fans, because it was a really early appearance of the | > jazz-techno sound that eventually became more widespread | after Nation 2 | > Nation, World 2 World etc, and I don't think it receives | its fair dues | > in that respect. | > | > If you own Ex:El then you get Pacific but also quite a few | tracks which | > have dated really badly. If you own "State 2 State" (a US mini-album | > release from just after Ex:El) you get a really nice mix of | Pacific, and | > a bunch of other tracks that actually haven't dated badly at all. | > There's a track on there with the strings from Pacific | running over the | > "Welcome to techno city" Cybotron sample! I'd love to have that on | > vinyl... | > | > Brendan | > | > | -Original Message- | > | From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | Sent: 13 December 2002 10:05 | > | To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' | > | Subject: Re: (313) 808 State | > | | > | | > | The Quadrastate EP from 88/89 is good - "Ex:El" from '91 is | > | ok. Some of | > | their material has dated rather badly though IMHO. | > | | > | | > | | > | - Original Message - | > | From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | To: '313' <313@hyperreal.org> | > | Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:03 AM | > | Subject: (313) 808 State | > | | > | | > | > Just been reading the Blake Baxter interview on Overloads | > | and there seems | > | to | > | > be an loads of references to 808 State in Detroit techno, | > | so I like to | > | hear | > | > some of thier material - which albums would you readers | recomend ? | > | > | > | > thanks | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | |
