Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Lets mail pitchforks to UBNT headquarters and see what gets where first. ryan On Mar 30, 2015, at 16:07, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: 10 business days? :) On 03/30/2015 03:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
That's like wondering which direction the sun will come up in the morning... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: Lets mail pitchforks to UBNT headquarters and see what gets where first. ryan On Mar 30, 2015, at 16:07, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: 10 business days? :) On 03/30/2015 03:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
AHEM!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
10 business days? :) On 03/30/2015 03:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
See... I told you two weeks :P On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
For the AF-5X? Yes, they are approved. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: What about UNII and DFS approvals? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Wanna share a tracking number. (This feels like an ebay transaction from China now) :P ryan On 3/30/15 5:32 PM, Ben Moore wrote: As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
What about UNII and DFS approvals? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
hahahaha On 03/30/2015 04:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Don’t give Mike any of the dolls, you don’t want to know where he would stick an SFP. *From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Maybe I can get Mike Hammett to hand out these instead of SFP's? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. *From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Little Ben and Matt dolls. Where's my SNMP from 2009??? Stab! Glad to see them arrive this week!!! I hope I can get mine soon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Maybe I can get Mike Hammett to hand out these instead of SFP's? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Don’t give Mike any of the dolls, you don’t want to know where he would stick an SFP. From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Maybe I can get Mike Hammett to hand out these instead of SFP's? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Do you feel better now? If so, we may actually have to go through with this! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Little Ben and Matt dolls. Where's my SNMP from 2009??? Stab! Glad to see them arrive this week!!! I hope I can get mine soon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
If they were coming direct to us first I would...these shipped direct to distributors. Thanks, Ben On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:22 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: Wanna share a tracking number. (This feels like an ebay transaction from China now) :P ryan On 3/30/15 5:32 PM, Ben Moore wrote: As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
What like we don't know where the distributors are??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: If they were coming direct to us first I would...these shipped direct to distributors. Thanks, Ben On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:22 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: Wanna share a tracking number. (This feels like an ebay transaction from China now) :P ryan On 3/30/15 5:32 PM, Ben Moore wrote: As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
That's where I'd be told I could put the SFP... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:45:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Don’t give Mike any of the dolls, you don’t want to know where he would stick an SFP. From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Maybe I can get Mike Hammett to hand out these instead of SFP's? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: blockquote Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: blockquote at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: blockquote Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: blockquote No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Wrong direction, he's trying to help you get ahead of the technology curve. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Maybe I can get Mike Hammett to hand out these instead of SFP's? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I like that idea!!! Anyone want to make some up? Maybe we will hand them out at the next show ;) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you should send out miniature voodoo dolls of yourself with miniature pitchforks, to satisfy the people with pitchfork urges. Again no stock? Stab, stab, stab. OK, feel better now. Maybe tomorrow. *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line As per the latest tracking they arrive tomorrow and Thursday. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: at US distributors On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Arrives where? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:30 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Guys - One shipment arrives tomorrow and one on Thursday... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they kept saying they're better at having stock. Several of them said March. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 30, 2015 8:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't really think that number would be accurate, did you? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well you can wait 2 weeks but after being told 10 days I expected 10 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and pitchforks? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Ding ding other winner here and nate is correct On 2015-03-23 16:50, Nate Burke wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn't have stock? FROM: Ben Moore SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE's over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
hey I had an 1 distributor take stuff from an reseller and then I had an reseller take one from distributor and send it to me so it can be done but this one distributor is being freaking lazy and not do it and how many times I have asked them to do it. Tim On 2015-03-23 17:32, Josh Reynolds wrote: You can't be serious On March 23, 2015 1:30:17 PM AKDT, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: ding ding we have an winner here mathew is right... On 2015-03-23 16:33, Mathew Howard wrote: I think you're supposed to go take one from a different distributor and give it to his distributor so they can send it to him... Personally, I'd just cancel the order and order it from somewhere that has them in stock, but what fun would that be... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 2 3, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: t...@nwohiobb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
You can always check with other distributors that have stock. Orders are placed at different times by distributors (and shipped at different times). On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What
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Ben why should I have to place an other order with an different distributor and pay more out of pocket if I only need an pair of them? Tim On 2015-03-23 16:05, Ben Moore wrote: You can always check with other distributors that have stock. Orders are placed at different times by distributors (and shipped at different times). On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst
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They can still suck. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: t...@nwohiobb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:15:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort
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Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway *Sent:* Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now
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You should shove product down this unknown distributors throat. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have
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I think you're supposed to go take one from a different distributor and give it to his distributor so they can send it to him... Personally, I'd just cancel the order and order it from somewhere that has them in stock, but what fun would that be... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp
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Probably because he'd rather not know... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Why haven't you ever asked me what I'd like you to do? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28:24 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism
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Why haven't you ever asked me what I'd like you to do? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: blockquote Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the /blockquote last blockquote blockquote 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the /blockquote /blockquote link? blockquote blockquote Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well /blockquote /blockquote go blockquote blockquote all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP
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So true! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Probably because he'd rather not know... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Why haven't you ever asked me what I'd like you to do? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28:24 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap
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Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why
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I have ordered 4 nanobridges from one reseller but didnt have them as they said they had them in stock so they got it from distributor then I ordered 5 routerboards and distributor didnt have them so they got it from an reseller. Tim On 2015-03-23 17:40, Josh Reynolds wrote: Are you placing orders for like, 10 radios at a time, or hundreds at a time? Cause if it's onesies and twosies as a distro, I wouldn't bother either. On March 23, 2015 1:37:14 PM AKDT, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: hey I had an 1 distributor take stuff from an reseller and then I had an reseller take one from distributor and send it to me so it can be done but this one distributor is being freaking lazy and not do it and how many times I have asked them to do it. Tim On 2015-03-23 17:32, Josh Reynolds wrote: You can't be serious On March 23, 2015 1:30:17 PM AKDT, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: ding ding we have an winner here mathew is right... On 2015-03-23 16:33, Mathew Howard wrote: I think you're supposed to go take one from a different distributor and give it to his distributor so they can send it to him... Personally, I'd just cancel the order and order it from somewhere that has them in stock, but what fun would that be... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 2 3, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] [1] [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monda y, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
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I really don't see how you can blame Ubnt/Ben for this one. Your distributor didn't order enough for you. That's the problem. Assuming the price is another $10 or so for each radio, if the project is urgent enough why would $20 really matter? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ben why should I have to place an other order with an different distributor and pay more out of pocket if I only need an pair of them? Tim On 2015-03-23 16:05, Ben Moore wrote: You can always check with other distributors that have stock. Orders are placed at different times by distributors (and shipped at different times). On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than
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Well that distributor should have told them ahead of time and if you agree to it you consciously are aware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite
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Which distributor made you pre-pay and non-cancelable? On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ding ding other winner here and nate is correct On 2015-03-23 16:50, Nate Burke wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn't have stock? FROM: Ben Moore SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE's over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes
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What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I
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If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn't have stock? *From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE's over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 [1
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Start, yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:43:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Boy...would that be interesting!!! It may start something like this...SFP, SFP, SFP... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Why haven't you ever asked me what I'd like you to do? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: blockquote Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: blockquote Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the /blockquote last blockquote blockquote 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the /blockquote /blockquote link? blockquote blockquote Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well /blockquote /blockquote go blockquote blockquote all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j
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Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937
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You can't be serious On March 23, 2015 1:30:17 PM AKDT, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: ding ding we have an winner here mathew is right... On 2015-03-23 16:33, Mathew Howard wrote: I think you're supposed to go take one from a different distributor and give it to his distributor so they can send it to him... Personally, I'd just cancel the order and order it from somewhere that has them in stock, but what fun would that be... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units
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Ben I told you off list which one is it and noting as been said about it. Tim On 2015-03-23 17:35, Ben Moore wrote: Which distributor made you pre-pay and non-cancelable? On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ding ding other winner here and nate is correct On 2015-03-23 16:50, Nate Burke wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn't have stock? FROM: Ben Moore SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE's over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward
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Right, exactly. If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Depends on the circumstance. If it's the first shipment of the product and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO. In the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling should be no problem and distributor should apologize. Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman
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Tim - I am sure others will chime in here, but I will say it again. We are not forcing you to order from one distributor or another. If the distributor you are working with chose not to order right away (or forgot to order), then not much we can do other than to tell you where to find the product readily available. Thanks, Ben On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ben why should I have to place an other order with an different distributor and pay more out of pocket if I only need an pair of them? Tim On 2015-03-23 16:05, Ben Moore wrote: You can always check with other distributors that have stock. Orders are placed at different times by distributors (and shipped at different times). On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk
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ding ding we have an winner here mathew is right... On 2015-03-23 16:33, Mathew Howard wrote: I think you're supposed to go take one from a different distributor and give it to his distributor so they can send it to him... Personally, I'd just cancel the order and order it from somewhere that has them in stock, but what fun would that be... On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going
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You never mentioned they took your $$ in advance. Can you confirm this was done and they said you cannot cancel? On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:37 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ben I told you off list which one is it and noting as been said about it. Tim On 2015-03-23 17:35, Ben Moore wrote: Which distributor made you pre-pay and non-cancelable? On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ding ding other winner here and nate is correct On 2015-03-23 16:50, Nate Burke wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn't have stock? FROM: Ben Moore SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] [1] - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE's over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [2] [2] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [3] [3] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j
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My AF5X order from Streakwave is like that. From the invoice: Non Cancellable/Non Refundable Orders: Items ordered under these terms are non-cancellable and non-refundable. Prepayment may be required for purchase of NCNR items. Products purchased under these terms are considered all sales final with warranty service provided by the manufacturer where applicable. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Right, exactly. If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Depends on the circumstance. If it's the first shipment of the product and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO. In the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling should be no problem and distributor should apologize. Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may
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hhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your d
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Not sure why you think this is Ubiquti's fault in any way. Ditch the distributor... On Monday, March 23, 2015, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Ben why should I have to place an other order with an different distributor and pay more out of pocket if I only need an pair of them? Tim On 2015-03-23 16:05, Ben Moore wrote: You can always check with other distributors that have stock. Orders are placed at different times by distributors (and shipped at different times). On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
On that point, to Streakwave's defense...they only took a small percentage as a deposit and they take the rest when it ships. They just restrict your right to cancel the shipment I guess. At least they have stock of the 620. I don't know who Tim is using. My usual distributor shipped me the M5-620s by mistake and still had the PBE-5AC-620 on pre-order status so I grabbed some from Streakwave. My usual distributor has let me cancel pre-orders in the past though. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Isn't that nice, they get to take your money and earn interest (or whatever) on it for months until the product ships. Negligibly tiny amount for one order, but multiply by hundreds of customers each ordering thousands of dollars of gear. Many vendors only bill for back-ordered products when they actually ship. On 3/23/15 10:26 PM, Jeremy wrote: My AF5X order from Streakwave is like that. From the invoice: Non Cancellable/Non Refundable Orders: Items ordered under these terms are non-cancellable and non-refundable. Prepayment may be required for purchase of NCNR items. Products purchased under these terms are considered all sales final with warranty service provided by the manufacturer where applicable. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Right, exactly. If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Depends on the circumstance. If it's the first shipment of the product and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO. In the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling should be no problem and distributor should apologize. Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Way back when God was a baby we ordered a custom 900Mhz amp for the makers of Presidente Brandy. The amp folks leveraged my Amex advance payment to make payroll! A month later we received amp. Mid 90s. I think they are still in business ...only time I ever bought from them Jaime Solorza On Mar 23, 2015 5:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Isn't that nice, they get to take your money and earn interest (or whatever) on it for months until the product ships. Negligibly tiny amount for one order, but multiply by hundreds of customers each ordering thousands of dollars of gear. Many vendors only bill for back-ordered products when they actually ship. On 3/23/15 10:26 PM, Jeremy wrote: My AF5X order from Streakwave is like that. From the invoice: Non Cancellable/Non Refundable Orders: Items ordered under these terms are non-cancellable and non-refundable. Prepayment may be required for purchase of NCNR items. Products purchased under these terms are considered all sales final with warranty service provided by the manufacturer where applicable. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Right, exactly. If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Depends on the circumstance. If it's the first shipment of the product and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO. In the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling should be no problem and distributor should apologize. Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Streakwave has already treated me fairly. No refund if I preorder and cancel. So I just put in an order and get the gear. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: On that point, to Streakwave's defense...they only took a small percentage as a deposit and they take the rest when it ships. They just restrict your right to cancel the shipment I guess. At least they have stock of the 620. I don't know who Tim is using. My usual distributor shipped me the M5-620s by mistake and still had the PBE-5AC-620 on pre-order status so I grabbed some from Streakwave. My usual distributor has let me cancel pre-orders in the past though. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Isn't that nice, they get to take your money and earn interest (or whatever) on it for months until the product ships. Negligibly tiny amount for one order, but multiply by hundreds of customers each ordering thousands of dollars of gear. Many vendors only bill for back-ordered products when they actually ship. On 3/23/15 10:26 PM, Jeremy wrote: My AF5X order from Streakwave is like that. From the invoice: Non Cancellable/Non Refundable Orders: Items ordered under these terms are non-cancellable and non-refundable. Prepayment may be required for purchase of NCNR items. Products purchased under these terms are considered all sales final with warranty service provided by the manufacturer where applicable. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Right, exactly. If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Depends on the circumstance. If it's the first shipment of the product and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO. In the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling should be no problem and distributor should apologize. Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something. On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock? *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line What exactly would you like me to do? We are telling you where units are available. As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a million
units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or something
like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio, maybe that’s a
hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s possible
this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from our/your
perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v on
everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do a 24...
because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data sheet
is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector. That implies
a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one installed that
has measured actual power consumption? If they're running the POE at 50% duty
cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have checkmarks
for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what power they
take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC line with
NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of
the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other
parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better
naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or
why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost
is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
blockquote
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized
units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are
going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future
demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v on
everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do a 24...
because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data sheet
is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector. That implies
a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one installed that
has measured actual power consumption? If they're running the POE at 50% duty
cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have checkmarks
for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what power they
take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC line with
NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of
the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other
parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better
naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or
why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost
is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
blockquote
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized
units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are
going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future
demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a million
units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or something
like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio, maybe that’s a
hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s
possible this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from
our/your perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v on
everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do a
24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data sheet
is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector. That
implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one
installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're running the
POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have
checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what
power they take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC
line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular
in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam
and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by
antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP
and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to.
The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know
whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is
this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
(future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I think 24vdc is used way more than 48v in the WISP industry unless you get
into licensed paths.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v
on everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do
a 24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data
sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector.
That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have
one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're
running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC
line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and
PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
parabolics. I
figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the
team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to upconvert to
48v when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit two more
batteries in my cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I could.
So it was me and the ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a
million units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or
something like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio,
maybe that’s a hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s
possible this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from
our/your perspective.
*From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use
48v on everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than
let's do a 24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data
sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector.
That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have
one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're
running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC
line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and
PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
From my basic knowledge of electronics and taking apart radios, anything
above 28-36V needs a transformer and support circuitry instead of just a
voltage regulator IC, that entails a big jump in the price and board
complexity of the power supply. The AirFiber5X's FPGA is capable of
500mbits of OFDM, certainly that is not cheap so I think they're trying to
limit the bells and whistles to get it selling at only $400.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to
accept 20-60V you’d probably change your mind and say that is brilliant.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to upconvert
to 48v when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit two more
batteries in my cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I could.
So it was me and the ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a
million units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or
something like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio,
maybe that’s a hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s
possible this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from
our/your perspective.
*From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use
48v on everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than
let's do a 24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data
sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector.
That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have
one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're
running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the
AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
From the FCC registration, tx power is 0.77 Watts, so 28dbm, I assume
combined: http://fccid.net/number.php?fcc=SWX-AF5Xid=222677
I doubt that rx sensitivity would be much different than their AirFiber5,
so let's guess -64 at 256QAM 50mhz +-2db.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
They won't even tell you the Tx power or RX sensitivity, so voltage range
I'm sure is out of the question.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:25:16 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to
accept 20-60V you’d probably change your mind and say that is brilliant.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to upconvert
to 48v when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit two more
batteries in my cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I could.
So it was me and the ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a
million units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or
something like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio,
maybe that’s a hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s
possible this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from
our/your perspective.
*From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use
48v on everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than
let's do a 24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data
sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector.
That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have
one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're
running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the
AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
They won't even tell you the Tx power or RX sensitivity, so voltage range I'm
sure is out of the question.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:25:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to accept 20-60V
you’d probably change your mind and say that is brilliant.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to upconvert to 48v
when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit two more batteries in my
cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I could. So it was me and the
ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a million
units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or something
like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio, maybe that’s a
hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s possible
this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from our/your
perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v on
everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do a 24...
because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data sheet
is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector. That implies
a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one installed that
has measured actual power consumption? If they're running the POE at 50% duty
cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have checkmarks
for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what power they
take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC line with
NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of
the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other
parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better
naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or
why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost
is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Might want to fly that past Forrest. His SiteMonitor takes a fairly
wide voltage input range, and I consider his products reasonably priced.
Others have been squeezing switching power supplies into some really
small form factors lately. Almost all the power supplies your see these
days are voltage and frequency agnostic. I've even plugged in a few AC
power supplies into a DC source, and they work just fine.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/22/2015 8:51 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
From my basic knowledge of electronics and taking apart radios,
anything above 28-36V needs a transformer and support circuitry
instead of just a voltage regulator IC, that entails a big jump in the
price and board complexity of the power supply. The AirFiber5X's FPGA
is capable of 500mbits of OFDM, certainly that is not cheap so I think
they're trying to limit the bells and whistles to get it selling at
only $400.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to
accept 20-60V you’d probably change your mind and say that is
brilliant.
*From:* Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to
upconvert to 48v when needed. There is no easy fix because I
cannot fit two more batteries in my cabinet, and it would be a
total rework even if I could. So it was me and the ten or so that
I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to
buy a million units, and already had 24V at their remote small
cell cabinets, or something like that. The description does
say carrier backhaul radio, maybe that’s a hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only
market. It’s possible this decision makes great sense and the
reason isn’t apparent from our/your perspective.
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product.
Just use 48v on everything! First three products use
essentially 48v... . than let's do a 24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption
value. The data sheet is no help except that it says the thing
uses 24V 1a POE injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts.
So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one installed that has
measured actual power consumption? If they're running the POE
at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the
UBNT list awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I
intend to keep adding to it based on input from the
community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to accept
20-60V you’d probably change your mind and say that is brilliant.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to upconvert to 48v
when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit two more batteries in
my cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I could. So it was me and
the ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a million
units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or something
like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio, maybe that’s a
hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s
possible this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from
our/your perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v on
everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do a
24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data
sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector. That
implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one
installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're running the
POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And
what power they take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the
AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not
as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam
and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by
antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP
and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
That's the Tx power... at what modulation? IIRC, the FCC Grants just list the
Tx power per channel size.
No required SNR like they give (in the wiki) on the AirMax line.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 11:10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
From the FCC registration, tx power is 0.77 Watts, so 28dbm, I assume
combined: http://fccid.net/number.php?fcc=SWX-AF5Xid=222677
I doubt that rx sensitivity would be much different than their AirFiber5, so
let's guess -64 at 256QAM 50mhz +-2db.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
They won't even tell you the Tx power or RX sensitivity, so voltage range I'm
sure is out of the question.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:25:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to accept 20-60V
you’d probably change your mind and say that is brilliant.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to upconvert to 48v
when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit two more batteries in my
cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I could. So it was me and the
ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
blockquote
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a million
units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or something
like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio, maybe that’s a
hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s possible
this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from our/your
perspective.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use 48v on
everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than let's do a 24...
because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data sheet
is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector. That implies
a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have one installed that
has measured actual power consumption? If they're running the POE at 50% duty
cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have checkmarks
for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what power they
take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC line with
NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of
the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other
parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better
naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I was happy they went with 24v, because we have 24v everywhere now, and
only 48v in a few places, so it's going to make upgrading a lot easier.
That said, why can't everything just be like the ePMP synced radios and
just run off whatever you throw at it?
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Might want to fly that past Forrest. His SiteMonitor takes a fairly wide
voltage input range, and I consider his products reasonably priced.
Others have been squeezing switching power supplies into some really small
form factors lately. Almost all the power supplies your see these days are
voltage and frequency agnostic. I've even plugged in a few AC power
supplies into a DC source, and they work just fine.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/22/2015 8:51 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
From my basic knowledge of electronics and taking apart radios, anything
above 28-36V needs a transformer and support circuitry instead of just a
voltage regulator IC, that entails a big jump in the price and board
complexity of the power supply. The AirFiber5X's FPGA is capable of
500mbits of OFDM, certainly that is not cheap so I think they're trying to
limit the bells and whistles to get it selling at only $400.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If it turned out to
accept 20-60V you’d probably change your mind and say that is brilliant.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me. All my sites are 24v. I have to
upconvert to 48v when needed. There is no easy fix because I cannot fit
two more batteries in my cabinet, and it would be a total rework even if I
could. So it was me and the ten or so that I'll buy. Thanks UBNT!
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Everything UBNT has says carrier.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:57:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Or, ya know, somebody might have asked for it, and wanted to buy a
million units, and already had 24V at their remote small cell cabinets, or
something like that. The description does say carrier backhaul radio,
maybe that’s a hint.
WISPs in the US are one market for Ubiquiti, not the only market. It’s
possible this decision makes great sense and the reason isn’t apparent from
our/your perspective.
*From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 8:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v... because UBNT must do something to fuck up a product. Just use
48v on everything! First three products use essentially 48v... . than
let's do a 24... because!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
--
*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
af won't do multipoint, right? :) - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: af Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
What are ya'll feeding Ben? :) - Original Message - From: Ben Moore To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line We have had safety stock here in USA for past 365-485 days (Josh - 2 accurate numbers in one day!) ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: There's an actual warehouse in the US. If he's saying they have them here, then it's that distros haven't been placing orders appropriately. I would expect that they are trying to slow down purchases on nanos and the link for the any day now DFS/lower certs on nanobeam/powerbeam. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 03/20/2015 02:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me? If you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: NanoStations? Who was out of Nano's? We have thousands sitting here that distributors can pull from if needed... On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know when it's arriving for sure? Specifically Nanostations being the most recent. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced the
AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The data
sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE injector.
That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts. Anyone have
one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If they're
running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the
AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and
PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
parabolics. I
figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats
what
now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the
team.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
6-9 today!!! Hey oh
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
In 7-10 days, right??
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts? I'll
bust out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced
the AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in
the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here
and
not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam
AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB
and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP
and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance
reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I
dont
know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp
and
ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the
team.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I can drive to my distributor in about 45 minutes if I'm in a hurry.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
until the distributors get them... don't forget to add at least a few more
days.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
6-9 today!!! Hey oh
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
In 7-10 days, right??
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts? I'll
bust out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced
the AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption?
If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would
also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently
approved
for. And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in
the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple
sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular
here and
not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some
cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam,
NanoBeam
AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference
between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in
dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because
it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP
and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a
performance reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot
HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I
dont
know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of
ptp and
ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link
is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms
of
performance
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
RIght, airfiber can't do multipoint... so that would obviously be a reason to use AC. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:12 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: af won't do multipoint, right? :) - Original Message - *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *To:* af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption?
If they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about
12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling
tyfeatherl...@gmail.com mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart
would also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are
currently approved for. And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being
streamlined in the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam
(still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed
for different areas of the world (i.e. some products are
very popular here and not as popular in other parts of
the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in
some cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge,
NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by
antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?
Because it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each
(maximize PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split
unless there is a performance reason to. The cost is
same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line,
these are the only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and
ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket
tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one
pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics.
I figure its worth checking out these AC radios,
but I dont know whats what now, is this a
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or
is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput
demand link is there any major benefit of going
to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
(future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies
between the three products there?
--
If you only see
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Can't do multipoint yet. Yet is the key word :) On March 21, 2015 7:18:33 AM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: RIght, airfiber can't do multipoint... so that would obviously be a reason to use AC. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:12 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: af won't do multipoint, right? :) - Original Message - *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *To:* af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts? I'll bust
out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced the
AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the
AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB
and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and
PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont
know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp
and
ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the
team.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I can drive to mine in 10 minutes so sas!
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
That's unfair! but will they be in Ohio in 7-10 days?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I can drive to my distributor in about 45 minutes if I'm in a hurry.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
until the distributors get them... don't forget to add at least a few
more days.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
6-9 today!!! Hey oh
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
wrote:
In 7-10 days, right??
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts?
I'll bust out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they
announced the AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value.
The data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a
POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption?
If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT
list awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding
to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling
tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would
also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently
approved
for. And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined
in the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple
sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular
here and
not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some
cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam,
NanoBeam
AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference
between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain
in dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because
it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize
PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a
performance
reason to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2
foot HP
parabolics. I
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
That's unfair! but will they be in Ohio in 7-10 days?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
I can drive to my distributor in about 45 minutes if I'm in a hurry.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
until the distributors get them... don't forget to add at least a few
more days.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
6-9 today!!! Hey oh
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
In 7-10 days, right??
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts? I'll
bust out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced
the AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value.
The data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption?
If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT
list awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding
to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling
tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would
also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently
approved
for. And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in
the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple
sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular
here and
not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some
cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam,
NanoBeam
AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference
between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in
dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because
it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize
PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a
performance
reason to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2
foot HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but
I dont
know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of
ptp and
ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption?
If they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about
12 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to
it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling
tyfeatherl...@gmail.com mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart
would also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they
are
currently approved for. And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being
streamlined in the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam
(still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed
for different areas of the world (i.e. some products are
very popular here and not as popular in other parts of
the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in
some cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge,
NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by
antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in
mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?
Because it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each
(maximize PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split
unless there is a performance reason to. The cost
is
same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line,
these are the only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and
ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there
guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket
tranzeo link, we already have it connected to
one
pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics.
I figure its worth checking out these AC radios,
but I dont know whats what now, is this a
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp
or
is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low
throughput
demand link is there any major benefit of going
to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
(future demand is a factor
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
In 7-10 days, right??
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts? I'll
bust out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced the
AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also
have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.
And
what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the
AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here
and
not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases
need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB
and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP
and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance
reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I
dont
know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp
and
ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the
team.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
until the distributors get them... don't forget to add at least a few more
days.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
6-9 today!!! Hey oh
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
In 7-10 days, right??
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I thought it was 24v and a 2amp power supply, so maybe 25 watts? I'll
bust out the amp meter when it finally shows up at my door!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
If I remember correctly, ubnt said about 15 watts when they announced
the AF5x.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
I have heard 15ish on a netonix port.
On March 21, 2015 7:18:58 AM AKDT, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
I notice that the AF5X does not have a power consumption value. The
data sheet is no help except that it says the thing uses 24V 1a POE
injector. That implies a maximum of 24 watts. So less than 24 watts.
Anyone have one installed that has measured actual power consumption? If
they're running the POE at 50% duty cycle, that would suggest about 12
watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/21/2015 7:11 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list
awhile back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it
based on input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would
also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved
for. And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in
the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular
here and
not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some
cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam,
NanoBeam
AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference
between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in
dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s
crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP
and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance
reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot
HP
parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I
dont
know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of
ptp and
ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't
see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
yet reminds me of what they said last week was the most litigated term in the english languagereasonable lol - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Can't do multipoint yet. Yet is the key word :) On March 21, 2015 7:18:33 AM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: RIght, airfiber can't do multipoint... so that would obviously be a reason to use AC. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:12 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: af won't do multipoint, right? :) - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: af Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I've been wondering what AirPrism is. Does it make rainbows? Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm. And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small? Then there’s the M vs W thing. My head hurts. *From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Here you go: Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP PTP - PTP only, airPrism PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost is same either way... How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I'd go AF5x over AC, but AC does have realtime, concurrent AirView whereas AF5x does not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:18:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on
input from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BwvYDqrI4D8nmDRaNtfCeou0j2uZPMGIfXf9GB-cCc/edit?usp=drivesdk
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have
checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what
power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC
line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need
better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy
small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and
PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason
to. The cost is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics.
I
figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
two things that are going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
(future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
With the AC stuff not being able to turn off AirMax, it won’t matter. I’ll stick with M series for now. I need DFS and I’m not locking in. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 7:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Does anybody have a link to the 1.5 year old announcement? That was... four WISPA shows ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfkF2tLVGsg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:23:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line I've been wondering what AirPrism is. Does it make rainbows? Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm. And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small? Then there’s the M vs W thing. My head hurts. From: Ben Moore Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Here you go: Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP PTP - PTP only, airPrism PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost is same either way... How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
20 years from now, I'd love to read a memoir about this whole cert issue with these products from Ben or Matt. This is probably one of the most painful, embarrassing, frustrating, and confidence destroying things I've ever seen. On March 21, 2015 5:28:58 AM AKDT, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Well, they used a number, that's for sure. Lately their numbers have been fairly accurate. It's not AirMax DFS, people, where no number has been given. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote /blockquote -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Well, they used a number, that's for sure. Lately their numbers have been fairly accurate. It's not AirMax DFS, people, where no number has been given. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I notcied it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
I did Bill with a little help. I posted it here and ok the UBNT list awhile
back but no one seemed to notice. I intend to keep adding to it based on input
from the community.
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Hot damn! Who made that?!?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
blockquote
Oops let's try again. How about this chart...
ubnt radio comparison
-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Try this chart.
On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Yes, charts are always good. Especially if the chart would also have checkmarks
for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for. And what power they
take.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC line with
NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of
the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other
parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better
naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I
honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or
why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small?
Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost
is same either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
blockquote
The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized
units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are
going to converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future
demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Tim - When you used the stock locator, you did not receive confirmation of these being in stock? They are shipping and available. Thanks, Ben On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway *Sent:* Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes). NanoBeam = all integrated PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other parts of the world). Would chart help? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm. And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small? Then there’s the M vs W thing. My head hurts. *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Here you go: Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP PTP - PTP only, airPrism PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost is same either way... How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
What used to be the Nanobeam is now the Powerbeam and and the new product is now the Nanobeam.or something like that. Their naming conventions have driven me nuts for years. Ken Hohhof wrote: Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better naming. Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC. I honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm. And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy small? Then there’s the M vs W thing. My head hurts. *From:* Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Here you go: Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP PTP - PTP only, airPrism PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP performance). We won't split unless there is a performance reason to. The cost is same either way... How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
None yet. The 500’s are overkill for the range and aesthetically not as pleasing. The size is actually an important issue in some areas. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Which CPE are you using? The NBE-5AC-19 just started shippingThe PBE-5AC-500 is readily available. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going on the boat ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word soon and on the boat out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios
