[AsburyPark] Re: Another Whitewash
I agree that from an architectural standpoint painting brick is a terrible thing to do. However Asbury Lanes is making an effort to become more appealing from the street and is undergoing some long needed spruce up projects. It was never an architectural gem like the 5th Avenue Pavilion or Convention Hall... the bowling alley had a brick front much like you'd see on a suburban house... just a simple facade treatment, like the vinyl siding that adorned its upper half for many years. They're talking of painting some murals on it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wrote: Ironic - shortly after my prior post regarding the defacing of our classic buildings I see a report about the Asbury Lanes... Note the before and after photos... what a shame. http://asburyparksun.com/new-color-new-coat-of-paint-at-asbury-lanes/ http://asburyparksun.com/new-management-takes-over-at-asbury-lanes/ I have heard the ... 'cleaning it up'... explaination far to often over the years. Poorly informed management. A brick building is supposed to have visual interest... texture, patina,.. a natural appearance. Painting brick is a bad idea on many levels, aesthetics, maintainance issues, moisture retention.not at all preservation minded. :-( Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Dog Park
The park as a space is a failure in current day Asbury Park. It's not a destination for anyone, it's an avoidance. The value of the park (or any park for that matter) is for the people who have the right to use it as a public space and with its current reputation, it's not very welcoming. Currently and for a long while it hasn't been a great space... when something doesn't work it needs to be fixed. The layout of the park wont change and the entire space is remaining as a park. So a part of the lawn won't be there... what part of the population will that upset? Now instead there will be a great reason for people to want to spend time there. Asbury Park is a great community for dogs and dog owners... being that not only the animals, but the people who own them, are an important part of the community they should absolutely have a right to the space. Progress and preservation don't need to always be enemies. The give and take here is fairly simple. Give the dogs and their owners a great public space and they'll give back to the community by making a space a wonderful place to spend time. The park's historical glory will only return when the people come to cherish the space again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thoman byline4336@... wrote: Have you stopped and asked yourself WHY the sprinkler system hasn't worked in years, WHY the fountain is broken and has been used as an open air bathroom and garbage receptacle, WHY drugs are freely bought and sold in and around the park? Could the answer possibly be that the city, i.e.. the maintenance department and police department, have not cleaned/patrolled the park? Given the past history of the park and the lack of care to maintain and keep the vagrants and drug dealers out of there, what makes you think that the dogs will make a difference in how the city maintains the park? The problems that exist in the park will not be solved by the dogs! On Jun 7, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Hinge wrote: The sprinkler system that your organization installed hasn't worked in years. The dog park is exactly what is needed, because it's main use for the past 7 years that I've lived adjacent to it is a place where drugs are bought and sold, street people use it as a open air bathroom, and the fountain is broken and used as a garbage receptacle. The dog park will breath life into Liberty Square Park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Can we somehow please BAN a certain member of this group?
Are there any moderators who pay attention to this forum? Seems like there aren't. The posts in this forum are becoming outrageous. The group is becoming a joke because of this and it must be stopped. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: IS ARC IMPLYING I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR.............
I'm not implying anything, you're proving yourself in everything you say. Bashing and insulting people behind the annonymity of a computer screen. Learn how to complete a sentence if you want to get a point across and contribute something useful to the conversation. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dougthedope12345 dougthedope12345@... wrote: this fountain of intellectual alacrity..I have an idea.perhaps Jack could take Arc out on a dateOf course it will be 'dutch'because Jack spends no money in Asbury Parknot even for parking.So bring your wallet Arc!...Colonial is correct.No townhouses on north beach.But what about the triangle.For Christ Sake..the council already said they wanted the Freeholders to buy the property.Where's the follow up?..Come on Ed and John.step upor are you gonna be timid wilting flowersAgain. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Vive
http://www.viveasburypark.com/ The height and density seem just about right for that lot size. They're different and a nice fresh design for Asbury in my opinion. Not sure how this project would violate the redevelopment plan guidelines, though I haven't seen the site plan as to how these are layed out on the site... street frontage or set back. From the rendering it appears there is some sort of set back from the street (with parking separating them)... but as someone who does renders there's no way to know if that's just a rendering technique to show the building, or the way it will actually be. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: I just read an article regarding the development to be constructed at Asbury Ave and Kingsley St called Vive. It was written that final site plan approval was given on March 12. I saw no announcements of Planning Board or TRC Committee hearings on this project. Does anyone here recall being aware of the hearings? Did anyone here attend? Does anyone have a copy of the facade renderings? My gut feeling, (having no information at this time) is that this project likely violates the Redevelopment Plan design standards. Can anyone give some details about this project? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
I wouldn't go as far as to say the design of the stump field will be the same. Just because the foundations are layed out a certain way doesn't mean the building that gets put up has to look or function the same way. The stumps site will almost certainly contain retail on Cookman (too lucrative a location now) and will likely have a different facade design then the current building. The diagonal street grids are a nightmare for planning and design, and those streets didn't do much in terms of pedestrial flow to the lake. If anything, they make the walk to the lake longer but taking you diagonally through the site. The layout now is no different than how the business district of Cookman Ave works, and much less confusion to car traffic and pedestrian flow. As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to fill out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Recall that there was a diagonal street across that block originally - The plan recommended that it be retained as a public / pedestrian thoroughfare to provide walkability between Cookman and Lake Ave and a neighborhood feel. The plan also specifies that a 'block-face' should incorporate differing architecture to alleviate visual monotony in favor of visual interest and better scale. Neither of those 2 important design criteria were met in the final product. Wesley Lake has been 'walled-off' by a building with homogeneous features. Typical of suburban development. An opportunity has been lost to use important character defining features of Asbury Park in favor of high density construction that is easy to build. The specs of the redevelopment plan were ignored. Note also that Phase 2 (the stump field) will be a replica of Phase 1. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
We all love to hate on developers but can we honestly blame them for wanting to maximize the amount they can build? At the time, the compromise to get rid of those streets wound up being a good one because it brought in more ratables than it would have otherwise. The superblock that was created to the north of Phase 1, on the other hand, is terrible planning. I recall that it was recently determined this needed to be broken up come time to develop it. Thankfully those in charge now realize what the right and wrong ways are. As for the stumps, it's almost a gaurantee that a new architect will be brought in to redesign the new building. The types of housing being designed in the early 2000's arent as marketable anymore. Couple that with the need for retail. While the footprint may or may not be the same (perhaps we'll see a similar concept of townhomes to the south, apartments to the north), the design (look, feel, and function) of the building will almost certainly be a different one. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Clearly the developers interests are to maximize unit count and develop a repetitive design that can be 'mass-produced' to reduce costs. Hence - the homogeneous facade and duplicated floor plans and site plans. As it is, the Lake Ave side has no interface with the street - all the units face interior court yards. The sidewalks are extremely narrow and the entire look and feel is one of a closed / private development instead of a vibrant part of the City streetscape that encourages outdoor activities and interfaces with the lake. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Housing authorities
Those will definitely be demolished. The building design is a typical example of the worst type of housing layout. The land is somewhat valuable because of its location near the train station. Would be great to see mixed income housing built there. Affordable, market rate, artist housing, etc. Tie it in with retail along Memorial/Springwood. Could serve as a great anchor for the Springwood Ave Redevelopment and a strong connection to the rest of the community. There are companies that specialize in that type of work. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Its about time the housing authorities are regionalized. Its been done so many places. What are thoughts about plans to sell off Boston way. Vs demo and rebuild. What are they worth if they are currently worthless to the authority. If you sell off what will new owner do...maintain demo etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Convention Hall
http://asburyparksun.com/historical-society-demands-answers-on-convention-hall-panel-theft/ Kudos to the AP Historical Society, the Asbury Park Sun, Tri City News, The Coaster, and the community for all that's being done. If MM let these panels get stolen then I hope the afforementioned organizations run those bastards out of town. Convention Hall may be owned by MM, but it belongs to the community and the people who cherish it for what it is... always has and always will. Madison Marquette has nowhere to hide here. When it comes to these panels, they're guilty until proven innocent in my book. They've got blood on their hands for waiting so long to put this information out there. If the panels were stolen in August 2011, why wait well over 6 months to get the word out? What repairs needed to be made to Convention Hall that required EVERY SINGLE PANEL to be removed at once, and not just put back on immediately? Not to mention more damage is being done as we speak with the structure exposed to the elements. I've lost all respect for them over this incident unless they come through and resolve this situation. They've got two options... get the panels back or have them precisely replicated out of COPPER. Otherwise, I'll live for the day when MM is run out of town. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This is an absolute outrage
I think it's actually very likely this was an inside job too. Whether directly through MM or not. These panels were massive. So if they were all stolen, were they sitting in a truck somewhere and the truck got stolen? Or was each panel taken one at a time? And where were they being stored, and under whose watch? If these panels are gone for good, MM should be required to have them refabricated out of real copper. Not cheap green metal like the awful new carousel house roof. Check out the way Hoboken Terminal was restored and you'll see what I mean. Would like more information about this entire story go public. Where's the APP on this one? Convention Hall gets a lot of press for being reborn, but the renovation is not nearly complete and shouldn't be regarded as such. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Inside job in my opinion I could see MM even being behind itLet's sell a 100K worth of this and replace it with 5K plastic, we need to make money Stealing copper isn't new, but it doesn't sound like a constructiomn site job many are used to Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@... -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakdorf@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:10:50 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: This is an absolute outrage Like the rumors of the copper from the Casino.. taken off for repair and safe keeping --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: http://asburyparksun.com/vintage-copper-panels-stolen-from-convention-hall/ This makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I've been wondering about this for a long time, and now we find out this. Under whose watch was something like this allowed to happen? 28 copper panels don't just go missing. There needs to be a serious investigation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] This is an absolute outrage
http://asburyparksun.com/vintage-copper-panels-stolen-from-convention-hall/ This makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I've been wondering about this for a long time, and now we find out this. Under whose watch was something like this allowed to happen? 28 copper panels don't just go missing. There needs to be a serious investigation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This is an absolute outrage
They're from the three sides of the buildings (north, south, and east). Each group of three windows would have been one panel. The north and south side each have 9 window bays, and I'm assuming the ocean side would have 10 bays (not commonly seen or photographed). Where were these panels stored when they were taken down? And why weren't they put back up when the work was done? They've been down for well over a year, maybe two (the article says MM claims they were stolen in late 2011), and I can't tell you the last time I've seen workers doing anything on that area of Convention Hall (or any part of CH for that matter). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jenni jenni@... wrote: I'm wondering where they got the number 28 from? They were in sets of 3, and there are 9 groups of windows. That makes 27, unless there is a single one that belongs elsewhere. Anyone know? Very sad that this happened. I hope the culprit is caught, the panels are intact, and can be replaced asap. Jenni -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of arcman210 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:09 AM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] This is an absolute outrage http://asburyparksun.com/vintage-copper-panels-stolen-from-convention-hall/ This makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I've been wondering about this for a long time, and now we find out this. Under whose watch was something like this allowed to happen? 28 copper panels don't just go missing. There needs to be a serious investigation. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Lanes
The building where Asbury Pie was located is supposed to undergo a massive renovation. Perhaps they are relocating into one of the new retail bays in the adjacent building? It'll be nice for Asbury Lanes to be cleaned up, the exterior is really dumpy and it doesn't need to be. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote: yes asbury pie is gone In a message dated 2/7/2012 2:16:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mkdown13@... writes: Speaking of business closings - does anyone know if Asbury Pie has closed? Haven't seen any activity there recently and it looks as if it's gone out of business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Neglect
Sounds like you're talking about the red and black terrazzo flooring in the grand arcade. Terrazzo is a very durable and sustainable material. The cracking and sinking occurred almost definitely due to the fact the foundation is essentially on piles on sand. Very prone to settling. Instead of repairing the floors (which would have required actually removing and replacing a number of sections of the floor) they poured concrete on the cracks to level out the floor, likely just to remove tripping hazards. The job to repair and restore the floor should have been done when the building was mostly vacant, as it would be a major disturbance to the retail tenants currently in place. More patchwork on a building that deserves better. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, firemer@... wrote: Speaking of the Convention Hall, how about all the cracked tiles on the floor of the Hall? It really debases the aesthetic quality of the building. -Original Message- From: arcman210 acme87rangers@... To: AsburyPark AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:15 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Neglect  With all the positive things going on and a seemingly successful business model in place on the boardwalk, the issue of neglect somehow still haunts the beautiful waterfront treasures of Asbury Park. Enough neglect will ultimately cause the demise of a building. We've seen it with the Casino, the Charms Building, and now the Band Shell is the latest casualty. What about Convention Hall? What ever happened to the copper ornamentation below the second floor windows? Been missing for over a year now. That ornamentation also serves as a flashing which prevents water damage to the structure itself. And the more time it's off, the worse off for the structure. In no way am I saying that Convention Hall is being left to rot away intentionally, but it's pretty evident that restoration work has come to a hault on the building for quite some time. Is there any knowledge of where the copper ornamentation has vanished off to, or why it's gone in the first place? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Neglect
With all the positive things going on and a seemingly successful business model in place on the boardwalk, the issue of neglect somehow still haunts the beautiful waterfront treasures of Asbury Park. Enough neglect will ultimately cause the demise of a building. We've seen it with the Casino, the Charms Building, and now the Band Shell is the latest casualty. What about Convention Hall? What ever happened to the copper ornamentation below the second floor windows? Been missing for over a year now. That ornamentation also serves as a flashing which prevents water damage to the structure itself. And the more time it's off, the worse off for the structure. In no way am I saying that Convention Hall is being left to rot away intentionally, but it's pretty evident that restoration work has come to a hault on the building for quite some time. Is there any knowledge of where the copper ornamentation has vanished off to, or why it's gone in the first place? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: To Band Shell,or Not to Band Shell, that.....
The only difference from the other demolished landmarks is that this is only a small element of the entire pavilion and not a threat to the entire building structurally. However, if the entire bandshell roof is removed completely and never rebuilt, then it can be counted as a major loss and possibly the first step in a complete removal of the bandshell several years down the road. All I know is if I were a new tenant (especially a restaurant) taking up space in the southern three bays of the pavilion, I would want that roof structure to look as it did. It should have been repaired from the get go, even if they were not going to completely finish the pavilion and reopen the bandshell just yet. They did exactly this with the Carousel House, Casino Arcade, and Steam Plant. Rebuilding the roof of the bandshell would not be a very arduous task... new plywood and a white roofing membrane to match HoJo's. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Well the answer is, the roof of the Band Shell has been neglected for so long that it has become a hazard with lumber being blown off in high winds onto the Boardwalk and Ocean Avenue. The roof surface deteriorated to such a degree that the underlying roof deck (wood) is rotting. Keep in mind that about a million dollars was spent on remodeling the Pavilion... and not a penny spent on the Band Shell roof... Hm. The City has ordered that the hazard be mitigated, hence the current work to remove loose and rotting parts. Stay tuned to see if it is rebuilt or removed entirely. The Casino Arena, The Metropolitan Hotel, The Elks Lodge and others all come to mind... demolition by neglect. :-( Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Band Shell
Agreed, but getting the bandshell rehabbed would be a step in the right direction. The function of this building as a cultural facility is the most important thing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: If there were any intention of complying with the Redevelopment Plan to preserve and restore the 5th Avenue Pavilion it would have been done by now instead of having spent significant resources on an inappropriate (non-conforming) remodeling. I hereby publicly predict that the 5th Avenue Pavilion will NEVER be properly restored to the architectural marvel it was when originally designed and constructed. I hope I am wrong. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Band Shell
Lets hope so! The three southernmost retail bays of the pavilion have been completely gutted. Would be the perfect time to go through with renovating the rest of the pavilion... Though I fear there's a chance they're just removing the roof for safety concerns. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythmick@... wrote: My brother was driving through Asbury Park today and called me to report that workers are taking down the band shell roof on the 5th Ave Pavillion. Anyone have an idea what is going on? Perhaps this will be a venue for Bamboozle and they are going to be restoring it??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Band Shell
Could be... saw this weekend that all of the walls were torn down and its now one space. Still interesting that work has begun on removing the old band shell roof. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote: oops...sorry wasn't finished typing. taka is supposed to be opening his 2nd store on the boardwalk...maybe he's taking all 3 spaces? steve herman, 805 6th ave In a message dated 1/16/2012 3:50:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, asburysteve@... writes: In a message dated 1/16/2012 3:50:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _asburysteve@..._ (mailto:asburysteve@...) writes: those 3 stores are supposed to be In a message dated 1/16/2012 3:15:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, __acme87rangers@..._ (mailto:_acme87rangers@...) _ (mailto:_acme87rangers@..._ (mailto:acme87rangers@...) ) writes: Lets hope so! The three southernmost retail bays of the pavilion have been completely gutted. Would be the perfect time to go through with renovating the rest of the pavilion... Though I fear there's a chance they're just removing the roof for safety concerns. --- In ___AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__asburyp...@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_asburyp...@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_asburyp...@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) ) , arhythmick arhythmick@ wrote: My brother was driving through Asbury Park today and called me to report that workers are taking down the band shell roof on the 5th Ave Pavillion. Anyone have an idea what is going on? Perhaps this will be a venue for Bamboozle and they are going to be restoring it??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bamboozle.....
It's really unfortunate. One of my favorite styles of architecture, generally looked down upon by the masses (and to an extent, the architecture community). At least the restaurant portion has been revered by the masses. Usually takes 30 years for something to be considered classic. For example, in the 80's redevelopment plans the HoJo's building would have been completely torn down. Larger scale preservation efforts as a whole have only begun to trend more towards this style of architecture in the last decade or so. I do disagree with you on one thing, that the building can never return to being a landmark. The supports for the walkways still exist and it would be very feasable to reconstruct them. The canopy over the stage needs work, and new seating is obviously necessary, but other than that the building retains its same basic form. While in my opinion the original brickwork was better than what is there now, the 'stucco' isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world... if you look at some of the restorations of doo-wop hotels in the wildwoods, many of them are able to incorporate more modern day techniques and still keep a retro feel (the Empress has even done a nice job of this). The most important aspect of this building's architecture is its form. That all still exisits. Air conditioning units can be concealed with some creative design techniques... but that mustard color has to go. Yuck. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: A 'nice' thought .. but unfortunately, completely unrealistic. The building has be remodeled and butchered up to such an extent that it will likely never be the landmark it deserves to be. All the concrete walkways/awnings have been removed... seating has been removed... air handling equipment has been installed... the bandstand roof is collapsing..etc. If there were any intent to preserve and restore the building as the redevelopment plan dictated ... it would have been done by now instead of the remodeling. A great example of 1960s futurist architecture is lost to Asbury Park... You figure out why Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Great, great, great for the city. It's going to be incredible. Since there are going to be so many smaller stages set up on the beach/boardwalk, if somehow they could get that Arthur Pryor Bandshell up and running it would be a nice way to re-inaugurate it as a city landmark. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bamboozle.....
A new walkway could just be built on the existing supports. They wouldn't need reinforcing since they are constructed of reinforced concrete (reinforced with rebar). I believe the resurfacing that took place was for cosmetic reasons (this is frequently done, i.e. on highway overpasses), but the supports were never incapable of holding a structure. The walkway paths were taken down by Asbury Partners years ago (also off the Sunset Avenue Pavilion) but the supports remain. The simple way to explain the process: the walkways would be rebuilt with scaffolding being erected, formwork constructed, then rebar laid and concrete poured in place of the formwork. That was the method used for a section of walkway rebuilt by MM on Ocean Avenue, leading to the Supper Club. Since the supports for the walkway still remain, this is still absolutely feasable. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: I don't think those supports were ever actually reinforced - just vg resurfacing. Not sure. And it wouldn't take a rocket-scientist to come up with a new design. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bamboozle.....
Great, great, great for the city. It's going to be incredible. Since there are going to be so many smaller stages set up on the beach/boardwalk, if somehow they could get that Arthur Pryor Bandshell up and running it would be a nice way to re-inaugurate it as a city landmark. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Nice win for the city to help fill the till nicer if you have $7500 to throw for you and 3 friends to stay on the festival grounds at the berkley ... parties etc. I guess it's just old age. I guess $7 beers aren't that expensive after all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Carousel can work in Brooklyn
How exactly did the carousel ruin views of the skyline? The building is small in comparison to the size of the park. I think the carousel is wonderful. And it was donated to the newly renovated and expanded park and is housed in a building designed by a world renound architect. Sounds like a case of NIMBYs just complaining about anything possible. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sehrenfeld sehrenfeld@... wrote: Don't disagree with the idea - just pointing out the mistake in comparison --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: May be so, but in Asbury, they'd be placing a Carousel in a Carousel House... and vastly improving the appearance of that particular building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sehrenfeld sehrenfeld@ wrote: The process of placing this private carousel in the middle of public space has been a shady debacle. Most residents hate it and believe that it has ruined an iconic skyline. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: AP reminds me of Brooklyn in some ways. Maybe if MM knew about the Carousel in Brooklyn, they'd be inspired. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: none. has been talked abut even on city level most recently. up to MM --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: So why not AP? http://janescarousel.com/ http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/events/recreation/janes-carousel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Carousel can work in Brooklyn
And the comparison I'm making is about the fact that a carousel can be a successful attraction in a city like Brooklyn (regardless of where exactly it was placed). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: How exactly did the carousel ruin views of the skyline? The building is small in comparison to the size of the park. I think the carousel is wonderful. And it was donated to the newly renovated and expanded park and is housed in a building designed by a world renound architect. Sounds like a case of NIMBYs just complaining about anything possible. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sehrenfeld sehrenfeld@ wrote: Don't disagree with the idea - just pointing out the mistake in comparison --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: May be so, but in Asbury, they'd be placing a Carousel in a Carousel House... and vastly improving the appearance of that particular building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sehrenfeld sehrenfeld@ wrote: The process of placing this private carousel in the middle of public space has been a shady debacle. Most residents hate it and believe that it has ruined an iconic skyline. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: AP reminds me of Brooklyn in some ways. Maybe if MM knew about the Carousel in Brooklyn, they'd be inspired. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: none. has been talked abut even on city level most recently. up to MM --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: So why not AP? http://janescarousel.com/ http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/events/recreation/janes-carousel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Carousel can work in Brooklyn
May be so, but in Asbury, they'd be placing a Carousel in a Carousel House... and vastly improving the appearance of that particular building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sehrenfeld sehrenfeld@... wrote: The process of placing this private carousel in the middle of public space has been a shady debacle. Most residents hate it and believe that it has ruined an iconic skyline. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: AP reminds me of Brooklyn in some ways. Maybe if MM knew about the Carousel in Brooklyn, they'd be inspired. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: none. has been talked abut even on city level most recently. up to MM --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: So why not AP? http://janescarousel.com/ http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/events/recreation/janes-carousel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Carousel can work in Brooklyn
AP reminds me of Brooklyn in some ways. Maybe if MM knew about the Carousel in Brooklyn, they'd be inspired. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: none. has been talked abut even on city level most recently. up to MM --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: So why not AP? http://janescarousel.com/ http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/events/recreation/janes-carousel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Carousel can work in Brooklyn
Well then I guess the next step might have to be for some of them to go for a ride on it :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: They know about it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: AP reminds me of Brooklyn in some ways. Maybe if MM knew about the Carousel in Brooklyn, they'd be inspired. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: none. has been talked abut even on city level most recently. up to MM --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: So why not AP? http://janescarousel.com/ http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/events/recreation/janes-carousel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A Carousel can work in Brooklyn
So why not AP? http://janescarousel.com/ http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/events/recreation/janes-carousel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
I've notified Preservation NJ about the recent developments, and today they updated their listing for the Stone Pony (can be found on their website) and are monitoring the situation regarding the news of talk of possible relocation. Every little bit helps, especially when it comes to spreading the word. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. While this group may be discussing the outdoor stage ... That is NOT what is being referred to in the Recommendations document or the Redevelopment Plan. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
The fact is the Palcace, Albion Hotel, Charms building, and many others that could have potentially been rehabilitated were torn down only to be still vacant lots. Though there are arguments as to whether or not these buildings were structurally sound, the fact is these buildings were still standing and even if they required major reconstruction or partial tear down/rebuild, the outcome would have been the same. Madison Marquette has always seemed to have the idea of moving the Stone Pony into the Casino. They almost tore down the WB but probably realized the land would sit vacant. These are thriving businesses that should be anchors of Ocean Ave. The Casino might sit in it's current state until MM goes ahead and builds a new Stone Pony on the east end. Or into the Heating Plant as also suggested by them. Both of which would leave Ocean Ave vacant and a landmark crushed. The NJ Museum of Contemporary Art wanted to lease the Heating Plant a couple of years ago as use for their main gallery but were foolishly turned down by MM. But the fact is the market will probably determine the time frame. The plan to build 28 townhomes at Kingsley and Asbury Ave seems like a good idea on paper... not sure if this also includes the Flamingo site. But at the same time, the Esperanza is still sitting vacant. At least a plan for this site would be nice. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: Putting the specifics of the plan aside, which I have now reviewed, has anyone ever mentioned a time frame? When do people think that the plan will be fully realized (if ever). 20 years? I am not trying to be argumentative here, I am curious to hear whether people in this group (1) think these blocks will ever actually be developed like that and (2) if so, when? Whether I agree with the specifics of of the plan or not (and I do not agree with a relocated Stone Pony), my bigger concern is this pattern of tearing stuff down and starting projects to either never finish them, or to have blocks of vacant luxury condos. For example, wasn't the Wonder Bar almost torn down? And thankfully it wasn't and it is a fun place, and the Yappy Hour I saw was super busy. That operating motel was torn down and nothing built there, right? From when I moved here in 2004, the stores on Kingsley have been vacant. It looked like not long before 2004 there was at least a little deli or something there. Will the Lanes be torn down only to have a vacant lot? At the very least, if people will go in and tear down and/or remove existing businesses, please make sure something viable will go in its place. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning behind this move) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dave dsher4@ wrote: Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please comment? Thank you If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee is against it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the developer. What we did at the end, just to be fair was say okay, you (Partners) pay for an independent traffic consultant to study the proposal and its effect on traffic. The developer's idea was to create this great big public plaza. We think we already have one further east. But you have to keep in mind how we approached this entire process. To be open minded and fair. Personally I do not think it has a chance but lets see what the traffic consultant says. So in reality, and what maybe is not too clear from the documents is that the committee really rejected the idea and is only recommending that a traffic consultant and the city engineer look into it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
It's no question that the summer stage should move eventually (personally I hope sooner than later) and the rebuilt Casino Arena portion would make a great Stone Pony Theatre where large Stone Pony concerts could be held. But the original building should never be considered for relocation. My concern is that the wording in the report seems to state the Stone Pony in general should be moved. On page 13 of the summary, points four and five of the Committee's reccomendation: 4. The existing requirement that The Stone Pony remain in its present location should be removed. 5. The Stone Pony building is shown as a conditional building on the Development Control Plan, maximum building heights should be established for this area. This instantly sounds (at least to me) as if the building is not significant to warrant being incorporated into future development on the site, and should be removed from the plan. I'm just saying this as an outside observer (with the highest respect for all of the work that has gone into this). If the Stone Pony building itself is important, it should specifically be designated as a seperate entity from the Summer Stage so that there is no confusion as to what can happen to it down the road. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me, city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non summer stage usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site (strictly outdoor usage) an option being discussed? Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, and all Pony entertainment being moved to Casino site? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure? I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think it was the concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense entertainment and residential uses on the same site(s). The City learned its lesson as well on that with Cookman. That's why proper zoning specifies uses etc in certain areas. In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is supposed to be the heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, those uses are allowed almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the current plan. So if we agree that the southern end and especially the end of Cookman and Asbury and Ocean is what I called ground zero, then you have to consider what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern that if you wanted to have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's Summer Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you develop residences above these uses on the same blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in my mind) residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and Kingsley. That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. And so keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think we are recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I think. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning behind this move) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dave dsher4@ wrote: Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please comment? Thank you If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee is against it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the developer. What we did at the end, just to be fair was say okay, you (Partners) pay
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Thanks, where can mail/email be sent specifically? Once again, pardon my ignorance on this point. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. You are all wasting your time commenting here. Written comments will be accepted by the city till September 30. Get cracking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some time. There were more important things in my life that became a priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for the reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal today I felt the need to jump back in the conversation. As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that there is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the entire report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the chaning needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan was drafted over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, the blight that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has all but dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. Nowhere is infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been implimented on existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront would look like the downtown does. There was plenty of land for condos too, just like the developers desire. I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed to be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, I originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but perhaps unrealistic plan to incorporate the Stone Pony into a NJ music museum/hof and possible hotel. While just a vision of mine and perhaps pipe dream on my part (one that I'm sure is shared with countless others) I still submit this is the best possible use for the site. I even still have some rough sketches/plans saved... as time allows, I hope to be able to revive and improve upon them, even if just as a personal venture. Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning standpoint. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
To me the idea of an outdoor concert stage is bad for businees anyway... at least for the business of the venue itself. I've attended quite a few Stone Pony concerts at Watermark, Langosta, and the boardwalk benches. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: I live at Asbury and Bond and hear nothing during the concerts. But who would not want a 1st class outdoor theater on the beachfront as part of the Casino rebuilding? Jones Beach Theatre is not too shabby. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: That is something I can get on board with... I personally don't feel as if moving the outdoor stage to the Casino site is going to make a difference with the sound. As this seems to be the main concern If no one believes me, grab yourself a 6pk and head to my backyard during any Summer Stage performance. I live on the corner of 5th and Comstock and hear almost every concert very clearly. Moving a stage and sound system 200 yrds to a more breeze filled area is not going to help. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:34:38 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure? Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me, city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non summer stage usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site (strictly outdoor usage) an option being discussed? Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, and all Pony entertainment being moved to Casino site? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure? I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think it was the concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense entertainment and residential uses on the same site(s). The City learned its lesson as well on that with Cookman. That's why proper zoning specifies uses etc in certain areas. In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is supposed to be the heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, those uses are allowed almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the current plan. So if we agree that the southern end and especially the end of Cookman and Asbury and Ocean is what I called ground zero, then you have to consider what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern that if you wanted to have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's Summer Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you develop residences above these uses on the same blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in my mind) residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and Kingsley. That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. And so keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think we are recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I think. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning behind this move) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dave dsher4@ wrote: Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please comment? Thank you If you were at the meeting it was explained
[AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
I personally feel the outdoor stage should be eliminated very soon anyway. Those shows aren't true Stone Pony shows. They're parking lot shows next to the Stone Pony. The real Stone Pony shows are the ones that use the stage and the venue itself. There are ways to soundproof the venue and build around it. You can have a wedding with a band at the Berkeley (or many other hotels around the world) and the guests staying in the rooms will not be affected by the noise. Thanks for the info on the email and postal addresses for comments, much appreciated. As well as the work you've done. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: Point taken. You know that the outdoor summer stage days are numbered when that can be developed with residences. That's a given no matter what the plan says short of it has to stay. You tell folks that they are moving next to an entertainment use, bar etc, and they say yeah okay and its another when they are there in their residence and start complaining about the noise. You see very few condos in the heart of times square. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Any concert venue at the Casino would be in a newly built arena portion, which is to look and feel like the old. That would mean the concert venue is indoors and likely sound proofed. The only venue I can think of that in the future would be an outdoor performance space would be the Arthur Pryor bandshell... and there seems to be no future for that right now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: That is something I can get on board with... I personally don't feel as if moving the outdoor stage to the Casino site is going to make a difference with the sound. As this seems to be the main concern If no one believes me, grab yourself a 6pk and head to my backyard during any Summer Stage performance. I live on the corner of 5th and Comstock and hear almost every concert very clearly. Moving a stage and sound system 200 yrds to a more breeze filled area is not going to help. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:34:38 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure? Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me, city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
I'm sure we can all recall what happened when it was proposed to tear down the club in 2002: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stone-pony-faces-demolition-20020111 My concerns are the same as yours. The wording in the recommendation is an open invitation to begin the process of abandoning the building and eventually losing it. Even says to be relocated from its second avenue location. The summer stage is in no way adjacent to second avenue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: I'm concerned by some misinterpretations that have cropped up in the discussion of the Stone Pony. As the Plan and Contract currently stand, the Stone Pony is flagged as a building to be retained on a Conditional basis. That being - it continues to remain open and used as an entertainment venue. As I recall (don't have the docs in front of me) the condition was also predicated on a 6 month window of disuse prior to allowing a demolition. Note that this refers only to the Stone Pony building itself not the adjacent outdoor spaces. Those were acquired by Asbury Partners and effectively integrated into the Pony operations but are not part of the parcel referred to in the current plan. The outdoor 'Stage' is and has always been zoned for Residential development so discussing that in the context of 'recommending' it be moved is meaningless. The Stone Pony Building however is another matter - the recommendation of the committee to remove its conditional status for preservation opens the door to its demolition. The value of a venue like the Pony is in its authenticity - it IS the Stone Pony in look and feel, I was the restoration consultant under Dominic Santana's ownership. (although I do not know what it looks like today). Also significant is the location at Ocean and Second - the experience of waiting in line to see a show, having the same view as prior generations, the photo opps, the traffic and street scene (having Ocean Ave one-way North would add to the experience i.e. The Circuit) The stone Pony is a significant destination and for entertainment and heritage tourism. Not expanding on that is very short sighted and is one of the intrinsic flaws of the Plan. Moving residential zoning off of that block to accommodate an expanded Stone Pony would be far more beneficial to Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: I'm sure we can all recall what happened when it was proposed to tear down the club in 2002: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stone-pony-faces-demolition-20020111 My concerns are the same as yours. The wording in the recommendation is an open invitation to begin the process of abandoning the building and eventually losing it. Even says to be relocated from its second avenue location. The summer stage is in no way adjacent to second avenue. I should clarify that in Nancy Sheild's article it says relocated from its second ave relocation, does not specifically state this in the report. Might be her misinterpritation, but still an alarming thing to read nonetheless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some time. There were more important things in my life that became a priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for the reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal today I felt the need to jump back in the conversation. As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that there is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the entire report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the chaning needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan was drafted over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, the blight that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has all but dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. Nowhere is infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been implimented on existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront would look like the downtown does. There was plenty of land for condos too, just like the developers desire. I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed to be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, I originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but perhaps unrealistic plan to incorporate the Stone Pony into a NJ music museum/hof and possible hotel. While just a vision of mine and perhaps pipe dream on my part (one that I'm sure is shared with countless others) I still submit this is the best possible use for the site. I even still have some rough sketches/plans saved... as time allows, I hope to be able to revive and improve upon them, even if just as a personal venture. Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning standpoint. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No moderates are voting for McCain. Not with Palin on the ticket. There's nothing moderate to vote for. Shows how much you know. I'm not even going to bother discussing anything with you anymore, because you're just a moron. I AM a moderate, don't you ever f*cking try to tell me what I am... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. Obviously just trying to aggrivate me and make me come back at you by calling you something. I'm actually not angry with you, I'm just pretty much amused at how immature and out of touch with life a grown man as yourself could actually be. I'm sorry, you're right... I shouldn't swear. I don't do it in front of children, and I treat adults who act like children in the same manner. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let this thread die... I'm defending myself. I want it to end too. Tell him to cut out the remarks at me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. Obviously just trying to aggrivate me and make me come back at you by calling you something. I'm actually not angry with you, I'm just pretty much amused at how immature and out of touch with life a grown man as yourself could actually be. I'm sorry, you're right... I shouldn't swear. I don't do it in front of children, and I treat adults who act like children in the same manner. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, my! Untwist your panties, Myrtle. On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:38 AM, arcman210 wrote: Are you fucking serious? Is there anyone in this group who is actually going to stick up for this guy and his comments like this? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
Let me clear something up... I'm not saying his comment is a cheap shot because he called me a woman's name. The reason its a cheap shot is because its an insult in which he is trying to get me to insult him back, to make me look like a fool. And I'm not going to get into this argument, but what's the problem if I am offended with being called a woman's name? Am I not allowed to have pride in myself and be proud of who I am because I am a straight male? Does having self pride, just like women and homosexuals do in themselves, make me sexist or homophobic??? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. - Arcman sorry..you may be clear, but arcman is NOT. and i don't say this as a rabid feminist, merely pointing it out. sexist men, homophobes, racists and the like are simply people with a virus that is rampant in our culture. they are ill, not scary. and arcman, i realize you are upset and probably typing quickly so i am not judging seriously here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Uh uh, Gabby. Neither Arcman or claimed any resentment of being called a female name. We each simply pointed out the bad intent of the speaker. I just went though this recently with someone who tried to insult me by calling me Gay. Same thing happened - when I pointed out it was no insult to me but he was the homophobe for hoping it would be an insult, he just kept repeating himself over and over that I was homophobic for pointing out that I wasn't gay. I didn't let him get away with it and you aren't getting away with it either. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Arcman and Tommy...being upset at being called a female name is at least as anti female as using it (John) as a derogatory remark. It assumes (pretty obvious to anyone with a minor amount of linguistics or ability to think) that there is something wrong with being female. Our culture is still very sexist, probably more than racist. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Your gutter language isn't very becoming, Delores. You calling me by female names is actually pretty much a cheap shot at me. Obviously just trying to aggrivate me and make me come back at you by calling you something. I'm actually not angry with you, I'm just pretty much amused at how immature and out of touch with life a grown man as yourself could actually be. I'm sorry, you're right... I shouldn't swear. I don't do it in front of children, and I treat adults who act like children in the same manner. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
I also know you are not less worth than me because I am a man and you are a woman. I never said that. Do not try to make it appear thats the way I feel by implying that I think I'm better than people beacuse of their gender or preference. Just as its allowed to have the parade thats held in Asbury to celebrate pride every year, I am allowed to take pride in myself for being who I am every day, and I don't have to be a woman or a gay man for it to be acceptable to have pride in myself. Nor do I get offended when I see others being proud of who they are. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its no problem to me. i know i am not worth less than a man. but you and your pride are going to get upset a lot. and john is going to play you again and again and again and again and tommy...i agree with John's disdain for the disease that is the current repub party AND i think he's being silly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't make me create a group called AP non-stop high school level arguments To be perfectly honest, and in all seriousness, I think part of the reason the group has slid so far off track is because AP is pretty boring right now... as not much has happened in the past couple of months. Theres really just nothing too important to discuss about AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank Goddess there's a place for straight, white men to feel proud. Whew! Thats right. We're just people too, ya know. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Did anyone go see Dickey Betts last night?
If so, how was the show? And how was the boardwalk before/afterward? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lowe's BOE move
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at ripcony.com web and their leasing brochure. The old lowes was rebuilt from the inside out to take care of the sinking problem. Then divided up. I have a strong feeling Dick's Sporting Goods is coming to the area soon. There's a reason why all these retailers are here. They think the area can support it. Lots of spaces to fill and all the national names are here - and many are hurting. Dick's Sporting Goods is building a store at the Monmouth Mall. I believe its being built adjacent to the parking garage. They're also building a store on Route 70 in Brick. I love that store. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lowe's BOE move
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Dick's Sporting Goods is building a store at the Monmouth Mall. I believe its being built adjacent to the parking garage. They're also I believe they pulled out - at least for the addition. That was the original plan. I always assumed that was phase II of the mall project... with phase I being the stores along the perimeter. If they pulled out of the addition, maybe they are planning on leasing out Boscovs? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely. And when I read that letter, the write only mentions successful musicians, but the fact of the matter is, musicians on every level, from the club where I work on up, are talking and sometimes singing about the issues of the day. Not everything can be about love, bling, jealousy, how horrible your life is etc. I also wonder what would happen if a high profile entertainer was supporting McCain? Would people tell them to shut up? What about people like Hannity or O'Reilly on Fox? They are also high profile entertainers, getting paid big bucks to push an agenda via the TV. Why is that ok, but it's not ok for Bruce to speak about what's on his mind? The fact is, there are some musicians who do preach politics as part of their music... but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popluar celebrity thing to do... thats not to say that ALL of the celebrities who are out supporting a candidate are out for publicity. The Lindsay Lohans and Madonnas of the world... Can anyone honestly say that Madonna is an inspired musician who writes songs and sings about problems in the world?? Her music and image promotes being a slut, her songs are about dancing and sex and having fun... there are no songs about hard working people and political issues... her Sarah Palin bashing at her concerts are completely unwarrented and uncalled for. Regardless of her political views, women should look up to Sarah Palin in terms of her achievements in going from a mayor to a governer to the veep nominee. I know my mother idolizes her because she can relate to being a hard working mom, even though she doesn't see eye to eye with her on her political views. Sarah Palin, just like many other women politicians, is a true role model for women, just like so many other professional women in society. Its moron celebrities like Madonna and Lindsay Lohan who make me disregard anything I hear from any famous person who makes it to the evening news or newspaper with their politician bashing. Maybe if it wasn't such a trendy thing in Hollywood, it wouldn't be something I and many others despise so much. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you answered your own questions. Consider the source. It's as simple as that. I don't think of Bruce Springsteen as a credible source of political information. He's never run for office, never proposed a real solution to an issue. He's no source of accurate political information. He sings songs. He is an entertainer! If he wanted to solve the world's problems, he could run for office... but he will never do that. He's got the money to finance a campaign, and apparently he's got all the ideas that can fix our society. If he cares so much, why doesn't he just run for office??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but there are others who simply jump on the bandwagon of bashing the Republican candidate simply because its the popular celebrity thing to do... How can you prove their motivations, however. Just a gut feeling? In that case, how can you prove anyone's motivations? Does Bruce really care about the Iraq war ending? Or does he just support it because it's the popular thing to do? Only he knows the truth. I'm not saying he doesn't, but if you question one you must question all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... Bono is just an entertainer and look what he has done by being an entertainer (The ONE campaign). I think Jack has also listed a number of musicians who have inspired change. Bono never bashed a politician in his concerts. He promotes good things and is a terrific world activist... Bono even met with Bush at the White House a few years ago! And I doubt Bono would have voted for Bush or supported his candidacy. Bono did it because it was the way to get something done for a real cause, and not to make a statement and sell an album. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's merely supporting one candidate over the other. Why is that such a bad thing. Can you honestly say that ANY of the cable news political commentators, Olberman, O'Reilly, Hannity or Combes, Joe Scarbourgh, or any of them are a source of accurate political information? Absolutely not, which is why I don't watch those shows to get political information. They are entertainers like the rest of them... their shows are based on commercial advertising, just like American Idol. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Springsteen is not a credible source, imagine where that puts you... CSPAN, voting records, and candidates words are sources of information for me. Where does that put me... in the educated voter column? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to get nasty with each other. This really didn't need to elevate beyond conversation to bashing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: You're the questioning one, grasshopper. And apparently you're the non questioning one, believing everything that comes out of a musician's mouth because they are the answer to all of the world's problems. Now you're just bashing me. Why don't you go sing about it too. I'm only responding to his comments. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One is charismatic, plays to packed stadiums and wants to change the world. The other is Bono. Now a group of U2 fans, struck by the parallels between Barack Obama and the Irish rock star, have become one of the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee's most enthusiastic band of supporters. Bono isn't publicly supporting a candidate. He lets his fans decide on their own. In fact, even though he obviously would support Obama, he even met with McCain and Palin at the UN to discuss his efforts on poverty. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are apparently in another universe of reality. Phone home. I'd be enlightened to know how that is the case. Please inform me on how exactly I'm in another universe of reality. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin is not a role model for me and not just bc of her views... I think she is a pretty terrible person actually.Inciting violence, spreading lies. The press can't get near her. She only speaks in rehearsed sound bites. Troper-gate. Making women pay for rape kits. I have made my views clear before. One could make an argument that Madonna, by pushing the limits about how we think about sex is polital, much like the sexual revolution and women's lib in general is polital. I also take offense to you referring to any woman as a slut, and I would refer you to a book entitled Slut! which is an interesting look at women and their sexuality and how terms like slut have been used against womenm (often by other women) to socially destroy a woman for being sexual. Madonna had no reason to bash Sarah Palin. Madonna's comments were not against a view of Palin's, they weren't critical of her views... they were just anti-Palin for being Republican. In other concerts, she placed the image of John McCain next to an image of Adolf Hitler. One of the most gutless insulting things I had ever read about an entertainer doing. Those kind of images insult me because I am a McCain voter, so according to her, I am also an anti-Semite. That is extremely offensive to me, and I have every right to be extremely angry with her actions. Madonna's music isn't about politics, and her sexual statements aren't political, they are to sell albums and make money. She proves her lack of knowledge with her words and actions. Sarah Palin as a politician IS a role model to many women and not just conservative women. Maybe she isn't you're role model, but I sure respect her for the things she has been able to accomplish, and I don't even agree with her on many of her issues. I personally know two women who idolize her because of her place in society, and those women are voting for Barack Obama because they are Democrats. They were Hillary supporters before Barack was chosen, but they still support Barack. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to my earlier post...why didn't the letter writer, or anybody here call on The View to shut up also? If anybody wants to shut up Bruce, then they should be balanced and call for everybody to shut up. Why are people pigenholing? They have a television show to discuss current events. The election is a current event. They express their Views (hence the name of the show). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin met with the Iraqi President on the same fake photo op. Are they sympatico now? Bono asked to meet with Palin and McCain. Not the other way around. Bruce would have never met with Palin face to face at the UN. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting AP Press Letter
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Righties agreeing with each other. Alert the press. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, justifiedright wrote: First of all, I'm actually a moderate who is voting for McCain. JR is just sticking up for the candidate he is voting for, just like you stand up for yours. By the way, I'm still waiting for your incredible wisdom to enlighten me as to how I'm in another universe of reality. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. These are the kind of words that prove your ignorance in that anyone who doesn't agree with your views is the problem. Nazi-right? Anyone who isn't a liberal democrat who supports Barack Obama is a nazi, I guess. Well I see where you're coming from. Its okay for you to call me part of the nazi-right, even though I'm a moderate and not a conservative (but you assume otherwise because I'm not voting for your savior). But if I were to call you a communist, you'd probably be offended and claim you were just a liberal. Typical double standard stereotyping. I wouldn't do that... I would just call you ignorant for assuming anyone who doesn't agree with Springsteen's politics is a neo-conservative right winged nazi. I'm not a nazi... I'm not a right wing conservative. You're putting words in my mouth and stereotyping me because I said I dont want to hear a political rant at a concert. If I were a Ted Nugent fan, or a ZZ Top fan, and they ranted conservative politics at a concert of theirs which I went to, I would want them to shut the hell up and sing too... but I'm not a fan of their music enough where I would go to see them in concert anyway. In fact, all of the concerts I go to are usually with Democratic supporting artists. Springsteen rants at his show. Billy Joel and Bon Jovi are also two huge Democrats, but they keep their mouth shut, and theres not a few parts of their show where half of the audience is just sighing wishing they would cut the crap and do what the audience paid them over $100 to do... and thats perform their music. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech... if a performer or artist thinks he or she can save the world with his political views, and wants to look like an idiot doing it, then by all means let that person do whatever he or she wants. But in my book, they just look ignorant. Bruce Springsteen, Ted Nugent, or whoever wants to look like a moron in alot of their fans eyes can do whatever they want... but its dumb to assume that because someone is a fan of their music means they have to listen to their politics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. I saw two of his concerts this past year, and would have gone again if I could have afforded to spend the money this summer... I love his music, that will never change. And no matter how many times he talks politics at his concerts, I will still like his music. I'm not going to say to myself well I wont go pay to see his shows because he talks about politics because thats stupid... my $100 doesnt make a difference to him. I pay to see his shows for his music... and as a fan of his music, I wish he would make his concert about that. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time, and a terrific artist. That being said, Alex Rodriguez is an amazing baseball and a tremendous athlete... but that doesn't mean I would go to a game to see him talk about his political views, no matter what they even are. I just wish musicians like Bruce would respect the fact that not everyone agrees on politics and his words really aren't educated or informative enough to make people agree with his views... their just rants. I think thats enough politics for me. Now I'm guilty of talking politics in this group when I spoke out for eliminating these conversations in favor of more AP related topics. Anybody have any information about what the heck is going on with the Convention Hall facade work? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you dont want to hear their political views that dont agree with yours... but its okay for you to say to me: That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Who is the ignorant ass with a double standard again?? Why do you think its okay to tell him to shut up? Hes just expressing his views, just like Bruce does. Seems like you're the one who wishes the other side would be silenced. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Wesley Lake Railings
New topic... Asbury related. Wesley Lake railings. They're in. Hopefully they open the area for people to use. They put in similar railings (or maybe even the same exact kind) to the ones along the Hudson River in Jersey City and Hoboken, for those who are familiar with them. these kind: http://i.pbase.com/u8/hjsteed/large/37518959.041214027DowntownManhattanH udsonRiverPark.jpg Any opinions on these, since they're an Asbury Park issue? I personally think they're very nice, and much safer than the Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. Athletes make as much money as famous musicians, celebrities, and the likes. They're all better off than any of us will ever be. So to take one's opinion higher than the other is just wrong. I don't listen to any of their political opinions. And I don't get my politics from Rolling Stone or ESPN or entertainment sources. Springsteen is an entertainer as much as he is an artist. Remember, his number one goal with his music is to sell albums... otherwise, he'd give them out for free. God knows he doesn't need the money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend's brother came back from California yesterday. 57 and grew up on the BW... We met at MArket in Middle for an excellent lunch. Love the chick caesar. He got to talking about the BW What's the story about those shipping boxes on the boardwalk. Are they f'in crazy? Told him that they are supposed to be covered over so they don't really look as much as shipping containers. Are any of the container shops still open on the weekends? They are supposedly temporary, but are they coming down anytime soon? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. I like them too... or I should say, I like the concept of using those spaces for small retail shops. The tenants that go there are perfect for them... but MM said they were temporary, so its interesting to see if they stick to their word. I just think they are a bit ugly, and if they are to be permanent, build an actual structure and make each one a bit different to give some diverse architecture to the boardwalk. Like oak said, there are concrete pads and electricity... those things are permanent. Also the fact that they built the mini-golf and water park around them. They should at least paint these and make them colorful. All I can say is that Ralph's better have a spot there next year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gave people an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hope you are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hope they are here next summer. == They are on property not owned by APartners or MM. They pay no property tax on the land or structures. They diverted $$$ from improving tax paying pavilions. The City needs Tax revenue. The City (public, public property) is being abused. They are visually intrusive in a Historic District. Unfortunate that you think such concerns are 'sad assed'. Werner I don't agree that the property is being abused. Its better than an empty lot, which by the way, there are four empty green spaces... I would bet its safe to say the ones that aren't being used are much less crowded and underutilized than the mini-golf. Who owns the mini golf and soon to be waterpark? Because MM is paying to construct them... kind of confusing. Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near a historic district. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District THAT is a historic district... 600 buildings. A handful of buildings that are historic over a mile of oceanfront land is not a historic district. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near a historic district. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District Don't rely totally on Wikipedia. Most colleges and U's with good prof want people to go out and do real research. A bunch of land can be a historic district. It's hard to argue that the buildings don't belong, when the nature of the historic district he speaks of has no relevance on dictating what type of buildings are built in it. Convention Hall and the 5th Avenue Pavilion are two completely different types of architecture. They were built 35 years apart from one another... the shipping containers don't take away from one particular type of historic architecture... they add to the eclectic mix. If they were put in the center of Cape May, then I could see the argument. But there are all types of buildings from many different eras throughout Asbury... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it would also be refreshing to complain about the fact that the Arthur Pryor Bandshell will probably never see the light of day again, because people have given a free pass to MM to do whatever they want. They don't seem to care either. Everyone is distracted with the new stores and shops. Don't get me wrong, I think they're very nice, and great additions to the boardwalk. Langosta Lounge, Stella Marina, and The Watermark are all opening soon... and the taco place is going to start serving beer (according to their sign)... plenty of places for people to go and things to do... people seem to not notice the rotting roof over the stage of the bandshell. Really makes that pavilion look like you know what. Still waiting for MM to come out with their agenda for next summer... lets see if it includes things they said they would finish last summer, including the green spaces, 2nd ave pavilion, and bandshell... oh and lets not forget the 2010 target date to open the new eastern portion of the casino... a year and a half until that summer comes along, yet still no design or concept of what it might include. And scaffolding still remains in tatters on the north side of the Paramount theate... with a black shroud tangled on one of the light fixtures. Not to mention the lobby into Convention Hall still falling apart, and the patched concrete poured over the beautiful terazzo floor in the grand arcade. Lets not hope this is how they intend on leaving the renovations, because they really are just seem to be patching up everything. Man does it feel good to talk about Asbury Park again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so then why the constant griping? can everything happen overnight? i personally would like to see things happen slowly even if with fits and starts than end up with some cheap architectural puke like long branch, which ap will never be even if the only historical architectural threads are convention hall the hojo bldg and the carousel bdg. when we don't take care of things they die. i have romantic childhood memories of asbury too, but the present is a pretty good time as well. I don't know about everyone else, but my biggest concern is for Convention Hall. The building cant just get a half-ass renovation, in my opinion. I know there are others who agree. Just take a look at the rest of the building, not the south entrance to the arcade. Everything else is in worse shape than ever. And when the building sits there for an entire summer of beautiful weather, when plenty of work could be done, its just sad to see it continue to be neglected. One eighth of the building being restored isnt a restoration... its a patch job. Work has stopped, theres no doubt about it. Its not that they're working slow on it, its that they're not working on it at all... whats the status of the company doing the restoration? Did they go under? Or maybe they're not getting paid? Something is going on with the restoration (or should I say not going on). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Taking advantage of new outlets???
Doesn't seem to be the case so far. The new outlets in Tinton Falls website list accomodations and attractions in the area... mentions hotels and attractions in local towns from Red Bank to Avon to Wall to Asbury's next door neighbor Ocean Grove... but no mention of Asbury Park at all. Count Basie Theatre makes it (and even the State Theatre from 30 miles north in New Brunswick!), but not Convention Hall or the Stone Pony or anything! No Berkely or Empress hotels in the accomodations directory... complete disregard for anything Asbury. http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/attractions.asp?id=78 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. A Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech would be politics too, you one-sided ignorant ass... so if he talked those politics you'd have respect for him too? I think you'd hate it, and you would think he's everything wrong with the world. I wasn't criticising your political views so back the hell off mine and don't assume I am for the war just because I'm anti-political-Bruce. I said I dont want to hear any politics at any sort of concert, that includes both sides of the spectrum. If I go to a political rally, its a political rally... no matter who is there. If I go to a Bruce Springsteen concert, I dont give a shit what he thinks about the war or out president. If he wants to perform at rallys and conventions, thats his absolute right as an American to do so and to support whichever candidate he chooses. But to subject 60,000 fans, many of who dont have the same political views as him, to a political rant in between songs is just wrong. If he wants to do that, then he should pass the microphone around to some fans and let them debate his views... because a concert at Giants Stadium isn't the same as an Obama rally in Philadelphia. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkley (Carteret) Hotel
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, aceartanddesign aceartanddesign@ wrote: maybe in all the hub ub you missed it... What's the state of the Berkley? I remember that there were supposed to be renovations any comments? I've missed my summertime Shore fix nearly two summers running. I'm thinking about a road trip. Thanks == They have applied for a liquor license, they need a minimum number of rooms available to qualify (100 I believe). The reviews at tripadvisor are not good. My experience dealing with the staff is not good. A shame since it could be a 1st class, classy place. Appears to be a sloppy patch job. Werner From being inside there, I can agree that the job done to BCH is a sloppy patch job. The lobby and foyer and ballrooms look very nice, although they never really looked bad before the takeover. The rooms are supposedly nicer inside, but alot still needs to be fixed. Then just step into one of the elevators... you feel like you are going to fall to your death. The outside is a disaster... the parking situation is a mess, the facade of the building is patched all over. The fact that there is a question of whats going on with the hotel just goes to show what kind of state its in... it was promised to be improved with $50million but it still looks like the same run down hotel it was before the new owners took over. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] This group is still way off topic
Would it be too much to ask that the political discussions please stop on this board? There is now a group devoted to AP politics... the discussions should be had over there now. I, and I'm sure many other people here are just sick of reading the political discussions here... we all dont agree on politics, no two people ever really do, but cant we all agree that this group is about Asbury Park??? Anyway, here's an article about Asbury Park for once... stores setting winter hours... parking might be suspended for the winter season... shore fitness is gone and the first ave pavilion will be opening soon... http://www.app.com/article/20081003/NEWS01/810030362/1004 Full text: Asbury Park shops set winter hours More than 25 shops, restaurants and night spots on the city's new boardwalk and beachfront are set to keep going into the fall and winter after agreeing with landlord Madison Marquette to be open from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday through Monday, closing on Tuesday and Wednesday. Madison Marquette rebuilt the boardwalk this year with the intention of making the beachfront an attraction with enough venues and excitement to draw people into the winter as well. Courtney Johnson, director of marketing, said 27 of the businesses are going to stay open through the cooler weather with longer hours planned for the holiday season. That number includes the last of the new restaurants and businesses now set to open by the end of October in the First Avenue Pavilion, one of three that underwent significant renovation last spring and summer. The tenants were pretty relieved that the landlord actually kind of met us in the middle (on hours to be open), said Eddie Catalano, who owns Eddie Confetti ice cream near Convention Hall and is opening Boardwalk Bagels and a second ice cream store in a few weeks close to the Carousel at the city's south end. I think the winter schedule is going to be a good thing, said Steven Ranuro, whose father is a downtown developer, and whose family opened Biggie's Clam Bar in Convention Hall the past summer. This will give our customers a chance to feel that we're here, and it will build a foundation for this boardwalk to be year-round, Ranuro said. At the same time the boardwalk is going forward, several beachfront owners asked city officials Wednesday night if they could suspend the new paid parking that began in August on the waterfront. City Councilman Ed Johnson said the city is open to everyone's participation and said a parking subcommittee meeting was planned for Thursday to decide what to do. We are going to solve our current problems, not extend our problems, he said. Helen Doyle, project manager for McCloone's Supper Club and Salt Water Beach Cafe in the former Howard Johnson's building, praised the city's help in making the two McCloone restaurants a success so far. But she also asked that the city suspend the paid parking for the winter months because people are coming in with parking tickets that have transformed patrons into irate customers. I think our customers' patience is running out, Doyle said. Hopefully it will be decided no more metered parking on the boardwalk for the winter months. Paid parking is a source of revenue, along with beach fees and taxes, that allows the city to benefit from the waterfront's success. The city has collected about $43,000 since it began in mid-August, with the collection rate dropping off as expected after schools opened, Gregory Mayers, the city financial officer, said Thursday. When the city began enforcing paid parking with new pay stations in August, the posted signs explaining where people should pay (at machines at intersections) were not large or clear enough to alert the public that a new system was in place. The city has ordered new signs and is taking other steps to smooth out the parking. Marilyn Schlossbach, who has the new Langosta Lounge restaurant along with her husband's new surf shop in the Third Avenue Pavilion, said the people getting tickets has been tremendously negative for this city. Several other owners spoke at the City Council meeting and most offered to serve on a city parking committee. Courtney Johnson said Madison Marquette wants to keep the parking lots free for the winter. And, she said one tenant that won't be on the boardwalk for the winter is Shore Fitness, whose instructors were from Brooklyn and came to work at the Shore just for the summer. We've been showing the space, she said. There's a lot of interest. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To
[AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/100551 Worst political article I have ever read. Beats out the other 45 political articles I've read from Rolling Stone for the number one spot. Distasteful, factless, and just plain arrogant... just like all of their other one-sided political garbage. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let's be realistic. In order to create a vacant lot, wouldn't you first have to move all the people out? If you could do that, couldn't you also repopulate with more responsible people? Wouldn't that also mean enforcing management that doesn't tolerate illegal activity? I live right around the corner from that building. If properly taken care of, it wouldn't be so bad. It's run down currently, but a bit of TLC could make it into something nice. Wouldn't that be better then an empty lot? I'd rather see viable housing then a vacant lot. The vacant lots are kinda depressing. Its just not reasonable that a developer would be willing to spend so much money to rehabilitate such a large and run down structure... I would imagine the rooms are small and the layout is outdated. In most cases like this, its cheaper to knock it down and start from scratch. If you clear all of the people out, and rehabilitate it, and still sell it as affordable housing, the developer loses money, so why take on the project in the first place... the only way a rehab would work is if the rents are increased and the rooms turned into expensive units... and I cant imagine the building is suited for that. Elevators, corridor widths, ceiling heights, plumbing, electrical, fire protection, among countless other things would need to be replaced and retrofitted to meet codes and standards of luxury... it just wouldnt make sense to rehab this structure... So the choice really comes down to either leaving the building as use as a walk up street pharmacy or demolish it to improve the value and quality of life for properties surrounding it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: YES
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost - Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Alan White. Missing is Rick Wakeman and elfin singer Jon Anderson --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: November 15 at the Paramount. tix on friday. Its a shame that the band couldn't wait a few months until Jon Anderson gets better and can tour with them... I guess they figured they could follow in the footsteps of Journey, Boston, and other bands who are replacing their singers with tribute band voices. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big talk for someone hiding behind an anonymous id. Too bad personal, ad-homonym BS is all you have. If 'I dont like it - tear it down'... is the extent of your vision for Asbury Park I can only congratulate you in your ignorance. This is an internet forum... If someone doesn't want to reveal their name or their identity, then thats their choice to protect their privacy. None of us are in charge and are responsible for anything done in Asbury Park, so dont be so friggen critical when someone has an opinion of something here... because even if you think its a stupid opinion, that opinion is having no affect on whats going on at the beachfront. If you have a problem with something, go to the source... and if the source ignores you, and theres nothing you can do, then let it go. Because its a city were talking about here... and most of it is already Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Baronet/Fastlane
It was previously mentioned how the Fastlane coming attractions sign had been taken down... but I dont recall reading anything else about it. But anyways, if this hasn't already been mentioned, the Baronet has also had its coming attraction signs taken down, as well as the red lettering from the canopy (not the giant Baronet sign atop it yet, just the BARONET THEATRE lettering on the side of the canopy). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet/Fastlane
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their days are numbered... Removing lettering and exterior features are some serious signs! I find it odd that they removed these things... we didn't hear of the historical society taking them (unless someone here knows otherwise). If the buildings are being demolished soon, why are they taking things off of them... why not just demolish everything then throw them in the dumpsters with the rest of the building. Something doesnt seem right. I think one possibility is that they are just going to paint both of the buildings completely gray or white or something, like they've horribly done to some other buildings, most notably their offices. Another possibility is that they are going to reuse the coming attraction signs on other venues like the Wonder Bar etc, and the lettering for the Baronet was just saved like the Metropolitan Hotel signs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan site,,,,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that the building is gone, the NEW for sale sign reads This property NOW for sale or words to that, vs the old for sale sign... Still have no clue as to what the reasoning is behind leaving the motel portion standing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Water Park
The fixtrues were up this weekend. Big watering can, hose nosel, and faucet. Colorful, larger than life things. I think they will be a hit with kids. Looks to be almost done, but they obviously missed out on this summer... maybe they can get a weekend or two of use in September though. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Water Park
Not sure why my first post wound up in a different category for some odd reason... but here it is again. The fixtrues were up this weekend. Big watering can, hose nosel, and faucet. Colorful, larger than life things. I think they will be a hit with kids. Looks to be almost done, but they obviously missed out on this summer... maybe they can get a weekend or two of use in September though. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] water park
Two times my post wound up in a completely unrelated category, I dont know why this is happening... The fixtrues were up this weekend. Big watering can, hose nosel, and faucet. Colorful, larger than life things. I think they will be a hit with kids. Looks to be almost done, but they obviously missed out on this summer... maybe they can get a weekend or two of use in September though. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: water park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two times my post wound up in a completely unrelated category, I dont know why this is happening... The fixtrues were up this weekend. Big watering can, hose nosel, and faucet. Colorful, larger than life things. I think they will be a hit with kids. Looks to be almost done, but they obviously missed out on this summer... maybe they can get a weekend or two of use in September though. realized now that there were posts in there also titled Water Park so it was tacking it on as a response to those posts... problem solved... back to the water park on 2nd ave now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attainable Goal
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a big believer in setting a small number of simple to measure and clearly defined goals that when added up will deliver on a vision. This is as applicable for a city as it is for a business. And few places is it more needed than Asbury Park. So here's one that I believe would be to everyone's benefit. I was doing some research for a project on some small business websites and came across a list of the 100 best cities to launch a business in. That got me thinking why not us? We have lots of great loft-type space that could be restored/converted into smaller office space. We have a great downtown with fantastic restaurants and shops. We have the ocean and boardwalk. All we'd need is a start-up/small-business friendly political environment and a real commitment by our leadership to make attracting start-up businesses a real priority. I'm certainly not saying there's not a desire to have them come today, just not a focus and priority. I would love for the city to set a benchmark goal to make this list by 2010. That seems fast, but I really believe we're not that far away and a serious commitment could get us there. Any thoughts??? The city would greatly benefit from going in that direction. A good example is 601 Bangs Ave, which is a magnificent building that needs alot of help. The conditions inside are not good right now, but the office space itself is great. A renovation is all it needs. Large windows, high ceilings, great views of the city and ocean, and a great downtown location with parking. Unfortunately, those factors also make for great condos. A conversion is likely to happen sooner than later. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Curious newbie questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we stayed in the Berkeley, the windows faced west - - all the hotel rooms are on the 4th-8th floors and that whole side of the building looks down on Kingsley, a pretty boring view. On Kingsley in the middle of the block between Sunset and 6th, there is a little bar or restaurant - it was blue, I think. What is that? Does it have food to speak of? There is no bar or restaurant in the hotel. That little blue bar could do more to attract business from the hotel. Like put an EAT HERE sign on the roof. Sometimes, you don't want boardwalk food. I bet they could do a breakfast business. And - there is a travel trailer next to a dumpster enclosure on the vacant lot next door at Sunset and Kingsley. Is there a story there? Why does someone live in a camper? A security guy? I'm a nosy sort of tourist. I look at stuff and wonder why it is. --Tracy The restaurant you speak of is The Adriatic. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g29748-d968395-Reviews- The_Adriatic-Asbury_Park_New_Jersey.html I've never been there, I'm not one for seafood and its a seafood place, but its very popular among locals and is supposed to be very good from what I hear. I'm sure plenty from this group have eaten there and can tell you about it. Not sure what you meant by the trailer... I dont think I've seen it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..the boardwalk once had those little trams that run up and down the BW. Pick up at both borders and make a loop through town. Wildwood still has them... They say, Watch the tram car, please! Always fun to hear and watch. They have their own lane. About the size of that useless extra lane on ocean ave. The tram wouldnt have to run ON the boardwalk, just near it... bump those angled parking lanes out 8 feet and move that lane all the way to the east of ocean ave, and there is your tram car lane. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Railings
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railings on the 1st ave and 5th ave pavilions. Sweet! They look good. It was dark, but I saw them.Stainless steel, which goes along with the modern design. Although weren't the ones on the 5th ave already painted orange? They painted the extension piece on top to match the orange a few weeks ago. I wonder if they painted the new railings on the 5th to match the orange? Seems odd that they would. I'll check it out in the light. I was able to check out the railings after lunch today... they look good. The ones on the 5th Avenue pavilion will definately be painted orange, theyre just unfinished metal, from the factory... those kind of railings are almost always painted. I believe the same kind of railings are on the 1st Avenue Pavilion... I recall in the renderings those were painted the same orange... I guess we'll see what happens with those. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had lunch at Brickwall. Met a couple from the UK. They asked directions to the Pony. Big Bruce fans. They are staying in Manhattan but it was always in their plans to come here to see the Pony and the streets that Bruce walked. Golden opportunities are being mixed. It is an industry waiting to be capitalized.You do not even have to create it. Make the Pony part of a working music museum. If yoy ran things right you coud probsbly keep a hotel fully booked with foreign Bruce tourists. That being said, I highly doubt people like that would come to Asbury to see a relocated Stone Pony in a building like the casino. A hotel/restaurant/museum on the Stone Pony block would be an absolute score... packed with tourists and music enthusiasts all year round. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Steam plant...
I wish they would light the steam plant at night. Even if its not being renovated for a few years, just a couple of spotlights on the tower at night and maybe under the archways would be nice so that its visible in the night sky. A small temporary thing that would really make a dramatic appearance. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Misleading info in the brochure....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two years later and they still haven't fixed it: http://www.madisonmarquette.com/files/Asbury.pdf Also, how did DeVito make AP his summer retreat if he lived there? Retreat would indicate going someplace away from where you live. Same with Nicholson (or does driving across the tracks count as retreating?) Also, apparently no one ever heard of Asbury Park until 1975, when Springsteen put it on the map. (Poor AP, languishing in obscurity for 100 years. ;) Dare I mention the album actually came out in '73?) The character and history of Asbury Park will be preserved.. it says on top of page 3. How can you preserve something you don't even know? (I AM stoked to see that jetty though. That must be one amazing set of rocks!) Something interesting on those plans in the brochure... check out the Fifth Avenue Pavilion. Look at the second floor plan that is showing Tim McLoone's Supper Club... its not actually the 2nd floor they are showing, its the basement. The reason behind this is absolutely because they do not want to show the 2nd floor of the pavilion because, well, it contains the bandshell. This means one of two things. 1) The bandshell has not been designed. 2) The area is being designed as something else that they do not want us to see right now. Its just something to think about, and I know there are some here who will think that is interesting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Misleading info in the brochure....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Something interesting on those plans in the brochure... check out the Fifth Avenue Pavilion. Look at the second floor plan that is showing Tim McLoone's Supper Club... its not actually the 2nd floor they are showing, its the basement. The reason behind this is absolutely because they do not want to show the 2nd floor of the pavilion because, well, it contains the bandshell. This means one of two things. 1) The bandshell has not been designed. 2) The area is being designed as something else that they do not want us to see right now. Its just something to think about, and I know there are some here who will think that is interesting. Sometimes a bear is just a bear. The bandshell will get rebuilt. Easy to say... but why would they go through trouble to disguise a basement plan and cover it up as the second floor? Its would have been alot easier to just use the real second floor plan, even if the bandshell isnt designed yet... there is definately a second floor plan drawn up, and it would either say in the bandshell area: Designed by Others, or To Remain As Is... something along those lines. Unless they have something to hide, there really should be no reason why they would have to disguise a plan like that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
