Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Favorite audiophile nonsense phrase
adamdea;639757 Wrote: Good luck explaining that in Cork. ...not to mention Delhi, Sydney, Lagos, etc etc. The sun never sets on colour with a u. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88608 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Covenant;639766 Wrote: A while ago I reported problems with crackling after installing the Touch Toolbox. Klaus suggested installing 7.6 which I have done. Its not sorted the problem, I still get crackling with the buffer set to 12000. Its a shame because the mods ,IMHO, make a huge improvement to sound quality. Is there any setting to the router that might improve things? Its a Netgear DG834PN and connection is by ethernet cable. The router has absolutely nothing to do with the software audio (ALSA) buffers that are being changed by the tweaks. The router is almost certainly not the cause of your crackling. My suggestion is to experiment with different settings for the software buffers via TT. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter EAC vs. CD audio... Throwing Down the Gauntlet !!!
Toy Maker;637680 Wrote: Please explain what a ABx test is?? Yes Tom will know when I am switching sources. For an explanation of ABX test, see 'adamslim's post' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=637567) just a few posts above (#22). Or wikipedia's entry is decent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test If you don't do ABX, then are you going to do several trials, randomizing which source is A and which source is B, so that if Tom detects a difference then you can see whether he consistently prefers one over the other (this is another of adamslim's good suggestions above)? Or are you sometimes going to not really switch inputs when you say you're switching, to see if he reports a difference even when it's the same source? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88364 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter EAC vs. CD audio... Throwing Down the Gauntlet !!!
Toy Maker;637606 Wrote: Most if not ALL of the 15+ systems that will be at the fest are In the $10,000+ range... ours fall into the $50,000 range. Not sure what $300 units you are talking about... Probably the $300 Sennheiser headphones you mention in the first post on the Carver forums. Toy Maker;637606 Wrote: I recently learned that EAC wav files are 100% uncompressed, as perfect to the original CD track as possible. So FLAC files are out too. I can make FLAC files using EAC as well... We could A-B test wav vs FLAC for a 2nd test. But we will have enough on our plate already I think. All wav files are uncompressed, not only EAC wav files. And the compression in all FLAC files is _lossless_ (that's what the L stands for in FLAC), and therefore as equally perfect to the original CD track as wav. Toy Maker;637606 Wrote: We came to the conclusion, that there will be (2) parts to the test. 1) Can you hear a difference between the 2 sources... and Tom will have to document what cues he hears in each recording, that don't match up. 2) Which of the 2 sounds better, and why test-2 will only have to be done if test-1 is NOT NULL. snip The perfect outcome in my opinion would be in test-1, that there is no difference, and we never even go on to test-2 I hope the outcome IS null, that they DO sound the same. THAT IS THE TEST. I don't see how you're going to do the statistics on that test. Part 1 sounds like it would be much better to do it as an ABX test, which would provide more conclusive results than Tom saying I hear these differences. I understand that Tom won't know which source is A and which source is B, but will he know when you are switching them? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88364 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can a netbook fully replace a squeezebox?
To make a netbook act like a Squeezebox you'll need to run one of the software players on it (SoftSqueeze, SqueezePlay, or squeezeslave). One thing you'll lose with software players is reliable synchronizing of multiple players. A few people get lucky, but in general you can only be assured of solid sync'ing with hardware SBs. Another thing you'll lose is free access to Pandora. Software SBs only play Pandora if you have a paid subscription, which admittedly isn't very expensive. Unless you have a really long cable from the netbook to your amp, you'll have to put up with a computer in your listening room. Sometimes that's not a problem, sometimes it is. Finally, if sound quality matters to you, the soundcards of most netbooks are vastly inferior to the audio components of a SB, so your sound quality won't be as good either. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88181 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
psweetie;633233 Wrote: Thanks for the explanation. Wonder whether the digital mod should potentially turn off the sound affects (and stop the unecessary process as you say) as well as muting the other outputs just to ensure that the crackles do not appear? Easy enough to do oneself but it is not part of the explanation at the moment? Actually it is part of the explanation. In fact you're supposed to do it before actually running the 'toolbox'. See 'soundcheck's blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html), specifically: Code: 1.1.2 Touch settings Open the setting menu on the Touch: 1. Audio settings Crossfade: none Volumeadjustment: No volume adjustment SoundEffects: None Volume: 100% -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
PasTim;632632 Wrote: I could do more cable / switch swapping and get no further (I was already down to only one cable and one switch in common). The point is that you may have a network that is 90% fine, but that perhaps you were unlucky and chose the weakest 10% (ie, a particularly bad switch or cable) to do the heaviest data work, and then chose the same weakest 10% for your test. If that were the case it wouldn't be surprising for your isolation test to replicate the same problems you're having on the full network. PasTim;632632 Wrote: So I'll carry on listening to flacs. Absolutely nothing wrong with that! -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I know you believe it's not your network, but that's still where the symptoms are pointing. Did you ever try a different switch or cables, as suggested in post #643? I wouldn't be at all surprised if a standard consumer-grade switch started gagging on that much data. Btw, it sounds like the buffers you are changing from 3600 to 2 are the Alsa playback buffers on the Touch, not the network transmission buffers associated with the Touch's rebuffering. So it's not surprising if changing them doesn't help with the Touch's rebuffering. As for EQ, a lot of people find it helpful in sub-optimal listening rooms. And sub-optimal listening rooms are often critical for maintaining domestic harmony :-) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cat5 or not ?
My rule of thumb is if the walls are open, run ethernet cable. At least go with cat5e instead of cat5. Future proofing a bit with cat6 is a good idea, but you should note that ensuring gigabit transfer speeds requires more than buying the right type of cable. There are also specs about the minimum bend/curve radius, pulling tension, and so on if you want to be sure of getting the transfer rate that cat6 is capable of. And you don't need cat6 or gigabit for your music, but someday you may want higher bandwidth applications in that room, and opening the walls then will be a lot more inconvenient. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87567 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cat5 or not ?
What is your throughput on file transfers? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87567 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cat5 or not ?
ralphpnj;630039 Wrote: Exactly my point! 60MBytes/sec is a little more than half of 100MBytes/sec and nowhere near 1000MBytes/sec, which is supposed to be the speed for Gigabit Ethernet. Actually, if he is getting 60MByte/s that is 5x faster than what he could get with cat5 and standard 100Mbps equipment. The real question, of course, is whether michael123 is really getting 60MBps, or only 60Mpbs. Huge difference. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87567 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?
darrenyeats;629849 Wrote: Spotify is available for Squeezebox now. Yes, but not where the OP lives. And that's who asked the question. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87524 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?
mashley;629808 Wrote: Anyone Interested in putting forward some signatures to petition Pandora to finally Re-Code to a higher bitrate? In case you weren't aware, they already have their Pandora One service, which streams 192kbps. It's a subscription service for $36/year. The drawback is that it only works with their web-based player. Supposedly they've been promising Logitech (and presumably Sonos et al.) an API that will let it work with other players, but so far nothing tangible. Alternatives? It depends a lot where you are. I believe Spotify streams at a high bitrate, but it's not available in the US yet. Rhapsody does 192kbps. There are various internet radio stations that do 192kbps or better, including Radio Paradise. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87524 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Automatic Volume Adjustment?
Also, let's not forget that Pandora is streaming at 128kbps. In that case, losing bits because of attenuated gain would be the least of your worries when it comes to sound quality. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87524 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
snottmonster;625526 Wrote: So in all seriousness, please point me to any such measurements - I'd be very interested to see them and the conclusions drawn. Start around post #329 in this thread. Note that those are Phil's measurements on the analog outputs. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
snottmonster;625542 Wrote: Urghh... Thanks (I think). I got as far as the new claim that A Windows based server sounds better then a Linux based server on the same HW (ie about 10 pages) and felt the will to live slowly draining from my body... No, no -- have another beverage (espresso, ale, wine, whiskey, whatever) and keep reading. You have to get to the part about shielded vs unshielded ethernet cable. ;o) And as for 'Gazjam's question' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=625418#post625418), yes, I did try the mods. I didn't do extensive comparisons, but I'm not even sure I heard 'something'. So far the best I can give the mods is a 'maybe' for audible improvement under my current conditions (system, room, ears, etc). The one definite plus is that it finally pushed me to run cat5e cable to that part of the house. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
magiccarpetride;625607 Wrote: Can you supply us with definitive measurements proving that you're actually alive? Sure. Your point? Obviously I heard 'something', i.e., the music. But in my case I cannot say with any degree of certainty that I heard a difference in sound before and after soundcheck's mods. I _can_ say with certainty that I did not hear the '\staggering improvements in the sound quality\' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=602233#post602233) that you and others report hearing (and you hadn't even disabled wifi yet). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
magiccarpetride;625617 Wrote: OK, let me ask you this: are you, or have you ever been able, to hear ANY differences in the sound quality when comparing two systems? Most definitely. Again: what's your point? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
magiccarpetride;625428 Wrote: Maybe it is an urban myth, but I swear that I saw with my own eyes a bumblebee who could fly. Of course they fly. And of course their flight is consistent with aerodynamics/engineering principles and equations. The myth is the part about the engineers producing an unassailable proof. According to the myth, aerodynamics engineers could prove that bumblebees couldn't fly because they applied the wrong principles, because they didn't know any better. Now such proofs are easily assailed. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
It is well-known that louder music almost always sounds better when played at louder volumes (well, up to a point). As garym says, internet radio stations tend to send a louder signal than what you would have from a properly ripped CD. And if you use replaygain on your ripped tracks the volume difference will usually be even greater. It's the same thing as television commercials being louder than the usual programming. The bottom line is that there probably isn't anything wrong with your system. It's especially hard to imagine internet radio -- which is usually very lossy and compressed -- sounding better than your properly ripped lossless tracks, unless it's the lack of volume matching that is fooling you. Try giving them a good comparison _after_ you have adjusted the volume so that they are playing at the same level and see if you still like the internet radio better. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
No, not at all. They are three different things. Power off puts the system in standby. Factory reset restores all user-controlled settings to the factory defaults. Xilinx reset re-initializes the processor. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
I don't want to argue with success, but were you trying to play hi-res (24/96 or higher) material when you thought the Transporter sounded less detailed? Because that would be the only situation in which any downsampling would be necessary. The Duet Receiver can handle up to 24/48, so if you were listening to that or standard redbook 16/44.1 then downsampling wouldn't be an issue and wouldn't explain the difference in sound quality you heard when the players were sync'd. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
garym;621970 Wrote: agree, and not sure, but question: is the bitrate limiting a per player thing (it appears so in the settings under player/audio). And if it is, if bitrate limiting is turned on for the duet would that affect the transporter as well if keep players in synch is turned on? Seems like if the bitrate limit is on, the default level for LAME is V9 (which would be a very low bitrate mp3!). Bitrate limiting is definitely a per-player settings, but I'm not sure what happens if you sync a bitrate-limited player with a non-limited player. It's certainly worth seeing (a) if bitrate limiting is turned on for the Duet Receiver, and if so, (b) how it sounds when bitrate limiting is turned off. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
Apesbrain;621985 Wrote: Are you all sure about the function of this setting? *mysqueezebox.com Integration:* (on mysqueezebox.com tab in SBS Settings) -By default, many player settings are synchronized between Squeezebox Server and mysqueezebox.com. To disable this feature, select the Disabled option below.- I always thought having this Enabled meant _per_player_ settings were synchronized between local SBS and mySB; not that there was any synchronization _across_ multiple players. You are absolutely right about that. That setting supposedly synchronizes alarms and other settings between mysb and local SBS, although in my experience it just messes them up! That setting has absolutely nothing to do with sync'ing of streams to players. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
One definition for the verb to sync, two different applications of that verb. :-) One is sync'ing settings, the other is sync'ing audio playback. They are completely independent of one another. Sync'ing mysb/SBS settings does not sync playback, and sync'ing playback does not sync mysb/SBS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles
adamdea;621719 Wrote: Having analysed out your system quite carefully, I reckon your problem is that you don't have any speakers. Some audiophiles end up overdoing the transparency and blacker blacks thing -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86419 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] In Wall speakers for garage conversion
As always with audio, and especially with speakers, a lot depends on the budget. There are some very good two channel in-wall speakers available, although I don't know if any will sound as good as your Dynaudio floorstanders. Even so, as discussed in that earlier thread, your garage conversion involves a lot of compromises, so those floorstanders likely wouldn't achieve their true potential anyway. Paradigm makes some good in-wall speakers, as do Tannoy and many others. But without a price range it's hard to say a lot more. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86528 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
I don't have a Transporter to test, but I'm pretty sure that anything that works with cat5 or cat5e should work with cat6. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?
Soulkeeper;612076 Wrote: Contrary to what people may think, placebo doesn't lose its effect once you realize it's placebo. Maybe the placebo continues to have its effect for some people/situations, but actually it is much more common for the placebo effect to disappear once it is exposed as a placebo. At least that's the case in medical settings -- the literature on audio placebos isn't as vast as the medical literature. (Many would say it's only half-vast.) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85681 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
magiccarpetride;611634 Wrote: For some reason, my statement seems to solicit interpretations that I'm talking about restaurant food. Maybe because you prefaced it with -This is the same as when I'm ordering a meal-, which you presumably don't do with friends and family? Fwiw, I am also usually interested in how a meal is prepared. Especially if it's from friends or family and especially if I like it. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?
magiccarpetride;611141 Wrote: See what I'm saying? Even if you haven't changed any component in your system, and are listening to the same track again, something else in your surroundings has changed (including your own conditions), and that change influences how you experience the second replay of the same track. My question is: since you can hear that something is different, can you measure the difference? In that case you are no longer -comparing two audio components side-by-side-, which is how you initially posed the question. Instead you are comparing two different states of a much more complex system. The difference can probably be measured, either qualitatively (yes, qualitative measurement is not an oxymoron) by systematically eliciting from the listener how they felt at different times. Or if you insist on -buttons and dials and blinking lights and beeping sounds-, maybe measurement using something like this: http://www.ece.uah.edu/~jovanov/projects/mmViewer.jpg. But certainly not with microphones or anything hooked up to the audio components. In either case, even if you measure a difference you've changed so many variables that you can't attribute the difference to audio components or any other aspect. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85681 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Personal attacks or a hijacking. Seems that the author has one of the other definitions of support in mind for this support thread. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Thanks for the test results Phil. One question about the inferences. You say that the biggest measured changes were induced by disabling the unused audio outputs and the wlan. But is it possible that the order of switching things off matters? That is, maybe turning off the screen istead of the digital and USB outputs in Test 3 would have a larger increment than in Test 5, but by Test 5 diminishing returns have started to set in. In other words, are you sure the effects of the different steps are orthogonal? I understand that no matter the order you'll get to the same difference in Test 5. I'm just asking if maybe the effect for each incremental step may depend on what steps preceded it. (I'm not an EE, but that would be a natural question in statistics.) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Phil Leigh;610141 Wrote: I do believe that the steps are indeed truly orthogonal, but I just don't have time to test all the sequential permutations. All of the effects are within the same order of magnitude, so maybe it's irrelevant? Fair enough. Even if they are correlated somehow it wouldn't make a huge difference in the incremental effects. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;610140 Wrote: Even by leaving out Jive2/Buffer and server based flac decoding on the SW side, Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like FLAC _was_ decoded on the server: -3) track was streamed to Touch as PCM from sbs 7.6 on XP sp3. via Ethernet.- -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started
I have no idea how much shipping would be to the other side of the pond, but Seattle-based Blue Jeans Cable (www.bluejeanscable.com) do a great job of high-quality and relatively inexpensive cables, with no snake oil. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84941 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
stop-spinning;605225 Wrote: Is the Squeezebox unique in the sense that it transmits its music data using TCP/IP to the receiver - which of course will always ensure music data with 100% integrity due to how this protocol works? In comparison, how does the Sonos Bridge accept music data? Does that use Jitter free TCP/IP? That's a good question. Sonos uses its own proprietary mesh network, as opposed to Squeezebox, which uses the standards and protocols of typical home computer networking. I couldn't see anything on the Sonos site about error control, but I have to think they have some kind of error checking. It's not exactly rocket science. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WTB Transporter black
The TP SE (no knob) is available at Logitech's US site. Other than that I can't think of a place better than the three you mentioned. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85105 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
diego;604931 Wrote: Couldn't it be, that the volume control algorithm recalculates the stream anyway, in every setting, no matter if its on 80%, 90% or 100%? I mean, there is a given input, a volume percentage set by the user, and that gives as a result a recalculated output. In case of lets say, 90%, the output is different from the input (cut dynamics). In case of 100%, the output is the same, as you wrote... but it is still recalculated by the processor, causing cpu/kernel load. So, if my guess is right, 100% is of course 100%, bit by bit. But the processor uses its resources anyway, the same as if it would cut it down to 90% volume. And these resources could be held ready for more important calculations... As I read post #114 in 'this thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742page=12), it appears that the same variable calculations are done with or without the mod. The only difference is that with the mod, after doing the calculations, whatever is calculated for the variable is replaced by the constant 2^16. So the load on the CPU is the same. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started
There's not much you can do within that budget, certainly not in the Audiophiles forum. One option would be to forget about the T-amp for now, and instead combine those funds with the speaker budget to buy a pair of self-powered speakers such as the Audioengine 2 (A2, see http://www.audioengine.org.uk/). That probably is a diversion from your upgrade path to a surround system, but it may be the best fidelity you'll find for your budget. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84941 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB
I'm probably not understanding something here, but if you want to avoid the wireless on the SB Receiver why not just configure it to use the ethernet port instead? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Non wireless use of SB
There are various NAS (network attached storage) devices that can run SBS. Check in the 3rd Party Hardware forum. Or you could look at a low-cost, low-energy server, such as a SheevaPlug or a small dedicated server. Either would be more likely to give you more oomph for your buck than a NAS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Searching for Server
It's a bit different from what SuperQ describes, but it seems that the ServerPowerControl (SPC) plugin (see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48521) could meet the OP's needs. And the advantage is that it is already written. You can use the SPC menus on the Transporter to put the Mac Mini to sleep and switch the TP to mysb.com. Or you can have that happen automatically after the TP has been idle for a user-specified period of time. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84640 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
Mnyb;600649 Wrote: On this forum ? LOL. Sorry, I forgot. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box
blu.vulcan;589013 Wrote: It would be acceptable if only it could handle hi-resolution files... Well now you're changing the specs (it can be audiophile without being hi-res). Next you'll say it should be less than 75Ā. :-) The SBR does 24/48. If you need 24/96 you'll need to raise your price threshold or start pitching the idea to hardware makers. Or both. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83260 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How much can transport mechanism affect SQ?
magiccarpetride;582612 Wrote: To me, room treatment is analogous to messing with various curtains. Some curtains will make the room more shady, some will make it more bright etc. But essentially all the objects in the room still remain visible. It is just the matter of personal preference that dictates how bright or soft a lighting you prefer. The important thing is that the room _interacts_ with the music and changes the characteristics of the music on the route from your speakers to your ears. If you have crappy sound coming out of the speakers then room treatment can't cure that, but a crappy room or poor speaker placement can seriously degrade the quality of the sound before it gets to your ears. And in that case you can keep upgrading your equipment until the cows come home (to provide milk for the cheese, of course) and it won't do any good until you fix the room. Or to use your analogy, imagine those objects in the room are fine paintings. How much you see in them depends very much on the quality of the light in the room, which is dictated in part by the curtains. If the curtains are too dark (or too light) then you can't enjoy the paintings as much, even though the paintings are still the same objects in the room. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82520 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Question
I'm pretty sure the Pandora stream is 128kbps. Pandora's premium service streams at 192kbps, but that is not yet available (and may never be) on SB players. You get the same 128 whether you listen via mysb.com or SBS. I can't answer your question about upsampling because I've never tried it, but I don't see how it would improve the quality of the lossy stream being sent by Pandora, because it would only be making up any information it would be adding to the audio stream. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82595 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Skeptical about the ABX tests
magiccarpetride;582342 Wrote: In conclusion: if I can't even consistently repeat two consecutive moments in a reliable fashion, what gives me the arrogance to think/believe that I'll be able to reliably achieve a conclusive test when changing some links in my audio chain? That's one reason why real ABX tests do lots of replications. You should never trust any test with N=1 or N=2. Repeat the tests a lot of times, and if that musical nirvana occurs predominantly (for which there are precise statistical definitions) with one system configuration then you can say that that configuration is objectively better to your ears (with the 'your ears' part still containing a lot of subjectivity). If the musical nirvana occurs randomly with respect to system configuration, then those other factors such as atmospheric conditions, body chemistry, or whatever have more influence than the difference in the system configuration. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82600 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Skeptical about the ABX tests
Fair point, but no one said the tests all have to be done in the same sitting, or even the same day. Or for that matter, with the same piece of music. In fact, that would be a really bad way to do ABX testing. A better way would be one that takes into account the different types of music one listens to and the different moods we find ourselves in. That said, I am sure that some people -- because of lack of time or patience -- do marathon sessions of playing a few tracks, or snippets of tracks over and over until it borders torture. I agree that little if anything would be gained from that. Strictly speaking it wouldn't necessarily be biased, but it would be useless. However, I disagree that a good test only leaves you exactly where you started. Well designed tests can rule out the placebo effect. In other words, one can subjectively say that component X makes a night-vs-day difference compared to component Y, and then be unable to distinguish the two objectively in a blind ABX test. If a listener cannot objectively tell the difference, but is happier knowing that component X is in his rack instead of component Y, that is something different. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82600 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Skeptical about the ABX tests
magiccarpetride;582373 Wrote: Listening to music is like making love. You have to be in the mood. Otherwise you leave disappointed. ...though the ABX tests for lovemaking can get a lot more complicated, especially double-blind -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82600 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
Lefatshe;581241 Wrote: This whole thread and no one mentioned looking on Audiogon.com for a used Transporter? I'm a step ahead of you Chumza. See 'post #2' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=579793#post579793). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
The SB Touch is very good, or you could look for a Transporter on www.audiogon.com. There's a second-hand one available there now, with an asking price of US$1200: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlconv1290465670/Slim-Devices-Transporter--exce -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Unbalanced Analog Cable Help
Nonreality;578197 Wrote: Ok so if you do have longer runs, what gets messed up sound wise? The imaging? I hope this isn't too simplistic because I'm truly interested. Long runs of unbalanced cable are susceptible to interference, such as picking up a hum from adjacent AC wires. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch V Classic Digital Output
Search these forums a little and you'll see that this has been analyzed more carefully by others and discussed at great length, and the consensus seems to be yes. Based on my own side-by-side non-blind testing I think so, too. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80557 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's next or is this it?
Where are these $1k earbuds you keep referring to? The ones on Logi's US web site max out at $420. Admittedly, even that is more spendy than I would have expected Logitech to go. I also notice that the more expensive earphones Logitech sells are from Ultimate Ears, which they bought out in 2008. It wouldn't surprise me at all if in a few years time the pricier earphones disappear from the line, with Logitech choosing to focus on the mass market sub-$300 models, or even sub-$150 models. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80282 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's next or is this it?
Where did you see an announcement that it was dropped? I certainly think the TP's days are numbered at Logitech, because it's just a part of the business they don't know very well or have any comparative advantage in. If you're referring to the absence of the TP on the Logitech web, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, because their web site is a disaster. Or at least the SB part of their web site is. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80282 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Monster cables.
+1 for Blue Jeans Cable They are much cheaper than Monster, and by all accounts I've read as good or better quality. In addition, Monster has a bad track record on being overly agressive and anti-competitive. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55787 Btw, I still have a pair of ESS Tempest LS8 with Heil AMT from my college days -- still sound great after all these years. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Disabling Transporter wireless
jusisan;530170 Wrote: The reason I'm trying to disable wireless is to to lose every g-type wireless-device from my network, leaving my two routers communicating via the faster n-network most of the time. The network drops it's speed whenever g-type devices are connected, and hence I'd like to disable the Transporter's wireless for the time being. Have you actually tested this and confirmed that the speed on the n devices actually drops when a g device is in the mix? Because that's not the ways it's supposed to work. It's not at all like the old b/g mixed network problems. See, for example, this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42853 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76793 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small form factor Amp/receiver
I've seen good reviews of the Trends Audio T-10 amp (http://www.trendsaudio.com/index.php), but I've never heard one. The Parasound Zamp v3 may also fit the bill, although it's more of an in-rack design than a bookshelf design. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75439 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
richardw;513343 Wrote: flac. i checked all the settings...all the same except of course the formats that are turned off in the nas but that is not an issue. Please don't take this as an insult, but are you sure it was _all_ the settings? Especially check the bitrate limiting, replay gain (under Player Audio Volumne Adjustment), and the actual player volume that is set in SBS. I know it seems obvious, but explaining the measured volume difference isn't easy -- unless it's _very_ easy because of one of these settings. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
richardw;513421 Wrote: i am guessing that no one thinks it is possible for the nas embedded player to just sound different than the pc player? or that processor's can impact sound of the player? i am not saying this is the case rather throwing them out as possibilities. The thing is they aren't players working through sound cards. They are servers (and server software), just sending 0s and 1s to your router, with the network protocol (TCP/IP) guaranteeing that what gets sent is what gets received, and then passed on to your Transporter. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
richardw;513447 Wrote: true. 1's and 0's are funny things. digital cables are a method to move them and can sound dramatically different moving identical bit perfect information. shouldn't but do. That may be true for SPDIF or the like, but not when transmission of the 0s and 1s is by an error-correcting protocol like TCP/IP. I am not denying that you're hearing differences. But the source of the difference is not which machine you are using for the server. Let's see what the log files say. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice Please
Actually there is at least one downside to WAV, and that is its very poor support for metadata (tags). It is possible to tag WAV files, but there aren't any widely accepted standards, so what works on SBS may not work with other software, and vice versa. Tagging support in FLAC is excellent. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74724 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
Yes and no. I don't know what the specs of the ReadyNAS Duo are, but they are probably not as good as the VortexBox appliance, which has a 1.6GHz Atom CPU and 1GB of RAM. About a year ago I switched from a LinkStation NAS to an MSI Wind desktop that is essentially the same hardware as the VB appliance. The concept is the same: a small, headless (no monitor, mouse, or keyboard) box in my basement running SBS and serving files. But the performance difference is immense, and the system is easier to maintain (I use Ubuntu Linux, but any OS will do, including the VortexBox version of Fedora Linux). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
JohnSwenson;511737 Wrote: Just a little clarification, there are two different things commonly referred to as vortexbox, one is free software that can be installed on just about any PC, the other is the vortexbox appliance. This is a computer with the vortexbox software AND SBS preinstalled. ...and to clarify a little further, there are *two* different vortexbox appliances. The original is based on MSI hardware, and the newer micro appliance is based on the Fit2PC platform. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
richardw;511767 Wrote: the last thing i have to try is getting another old machine running with windows and using it headless for only running sbs, controlled with my laptop, duet controller or droid. i am unclear on how to do it but can figure it out. i am also unclear if a big hd can be installed or if i must use an external usb hd. a project for another day (or 2). As long as the old pc can take the big hard drive it won't be a problem for SBS if it's internal. In fact it's usually fewer problems if it's internal. But depending on the age of the computer, BIOS limitations may limit the size of the drive you can install. As for running a Windows box headless, you could look into VNC. There are free VNC server and client software that I believe work on Windows. Overall a headless arrangement is much easier with Linux, so you may want to consider that route, even though it will require converting those WMA Lossless albums to FLAC. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
The only possible sonic difference would be if the server fails to deliver the bits to the Transporter in a timely fashion, i.e., if you get audio dropouts or stuttering or the like. There are no subtle differences: a NAS won't give you a better soundstage, a laptop won't be more transparent, and a supercomputer won't lift a veil. Most of the NAS discussion is over in the 3rd Party Hardware forum, including a lot of people who use the ReadyNAS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS questions
If you are willing to give up on the NAS idea, then there are a lot of inexpensive, small form fact PC solutions available. The least expensive route is to re-purpose and old desktop or laptop. Or there are super-small devices like the Sheevaplug. And the Vortexbox Appliances (both the original and the mini) would also do much better than a NAS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
maggior;508598 Wrote: I think it is the opposite. By having your mp3 library a subset of your FLAC library, you are managing. How is that easier than just having a mirror? A mirror could be mangaged by a daemon process. And why is it that somedoby that does that have too much time on their hands and too much money? Disc space is cheap, so having a complete mirror is not expensive. Certainly the simplest case would be to just have a single copy of your music files. No matter how you slice it, there is some management imposed when you have a mirror in another format to manage, though it could be automated in some fashion. +1. It would take way more time for me to decide which tracks I wanted to convert to MP3 than it does to just convert the whole thing, which dBpoweramp or flac2mp3.pl can do completely unattended. I have a hard enough time choosing what subset of my MP3 library I want to put on my portable players. Deciding in advance which ones I wanted to convert to MP3 would only add another step to process -- disk space and CPU cycles are much cheaper than my time. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: On 19/01/10 21:51, kphinney wrote: Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of space. kphinney;508307 Wrote: You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. ... Looks like it just makes an MP3 copy of an existing FLAC, hence, more space used. Actually kphinney, you are missing the point. Re-read Robin's post. He wrote that a benefit of doing it your way (ie, having a FLAC-only library) is that it takes less space than having that FLAC library *plus* a MP3 copy of the library. You two are in vehement agreement on that point. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508320 Wrote: I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. Set up flac2mp3.pl to run periodically via cron or whatever the Scheduler-du-jour is in Windows. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508386 Wrote: How long is everyone going to ignore the OT? Yeah, flac2mp3-whatever can transcode just like a hundred other programs. The OP wants a PLAYER that plays FLAC, ogg, and mp3. Start another post on the benefits of mp3flac2-whatever from Robin-the-eternal-guest. Why does audiophile forum become I know better than you and ignore your question a good deal of the time? Come on now. You can see that people are simply answering the equally off-topic question/request that *you* posed, namely: kphinney;508320 Wrote: unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a hassle than it's worth. Meanwhile, the OP has gotten plenty of responses about players that support FLAC, Ogg, and MP3. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
I have an older SanDisk Sansa model (e260), which plays FLAC after reflashing the firmware with Rockbox (www.rockbox.org). This is something that SanDisk actually supports, unlike many manufacturers. I have been happy with it, and I suspect the Sansa Clip is as good or better. Rockbox works on a lot of players, so even if a player you like doesn't support FLAC or Ogg out of the box, it may be possible to reflash the firmware with Rockbox. If you plan to load your portable with FLAC you may want to consider a hard drive based player instead of a flash player. If you get an 8GB Sansa Clip and add an 8GB SDHC card (8GB being the current sweetspot for price/capacity of micro-SDHC cards), that's 16GB, or about 40-50 CDs. That may be fine for you, but you may find it limiting, and get tired of not having that CD you want to listen to just then. Or tired of swapping files on and off the device. Of course, carrying multiple SDHC cards and swapping them in and out is another possibility. That said, if you go for a hard drive player the battery usually runs down a lot faster with FLAC than with MP3. Whether it is more constant drive access or more CPU cycles to decode I don't know, but that's what I've generally seen reported. Personally I don't imagine I'd ever put FLACs on a portable player because I doubt I could tell the difference between lossless and high bitrate MP3 in a noisy environment like a plane, train, etc. If you want to have a chance of hearing the difference definitely get some good noise isolation earphones like the ER4. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile ripping software
AlAz;498059 Wrote: Anyway, I heard once the effect of a demagnitizer for discs. The effect was real - small, but real. Okay, I'll bite: vinyl, CDs, or HDDs? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any audiophiles got a SB Touch to beta test?
zzvelik;496380 Wrote: The positive beta reviews coupled with last Friday's delay announcement makes me wonder if the Touch is being crippled in some way so it doesn't take any market share away from the Transporter. I don't claim to understand much about Logitech's strategic vision, but I am 100% certain that Logitech's vision of the future looks a lot more like the $300 Touch than the $2000 Transporter. Or even the heavily discounted $1200 TPs that have been appearing on audiogon. Besides, if they wanted to cripple the Touch why delay it, when they could 'cripple' it today by sending it out before the software is ready. You need more than that for a good internet conspiracy theory. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amplifier with auto power on ?
In addition to auto-sensing the amplifier will also have to be powerful enough to drive your speakers, and be within your budget. Three inexpensive options are the Audiosource Amp100, Audiosource Amp200, and the Parasound Zamp v3. I have the Audiosource Amp100 driving two pairs of Polk Audio in-ceiling speakers in my kitchen and I'm happy with it. But it's far from an audiophile system or audiophile environment. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any audiophiles got a SB Touch to beta test?
Thanks John. I did a quick comparison the other night and I thought the SBT analog out sounded better than the SB3. But I don't completely trust that first impression because (a) it wasn't blind, (b) the SBT had better interconnects, and (c) the SBT didn't only sound better, it sounded louder, and I know all too well how those are positively correlated. Re (c) I set the volume of both the SBT and SB3 to 100, but didn't fine tune it beyond that. Can anyone tell me what the analog output level of the SBT is, because I can't find it in the specs. I know the SB3 is 6.0Vpp. And so far I'm not curious enough to go buy a SPL meter to equalize the volume levels. After getting the volume level squared away I can deal with (a) and (b). (Interestingly, my wife was listening and liked the SB3's sound better, and it was blind to her.) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter being phased out?
pfarrell;484570 Wrote: We know he likes cars. Long ago there was a photo posted of a nice big expensive German car, triple parked in a no parking zone. I forget if it was a BMW or MB. Ferraris are nice, as are Maserattis. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15540 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71092 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A small amp for my livingroom setup.
What's your budget? I don't know those speakers, but you probably wouldn't go wrong with a Parasound Zamp v3. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replay Gain and FLAC
You can add track replay gain and album replay gain tags easily with various tools, including foobar2000 and Robin Bowes' apply_replaygain.pl script. If I'm not mistaken, flac itself can add replay gain tags. dBpoweramp is great for adding track and album gain tags at rip time, but I've never tried using it on existing FLAC files. But I don't think any of these will help if there is actual clipping in the wave form. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65911 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replay Gain and FLAC
pablolie;443134 Wrote: However, it seems smartgain in the squeezeboxes can not dynamically correct/address very significant differences between tracks Why can't it? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65911 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425441 Wrote: I just read about Wi-Fi being limited to 16/44.1. Where did you read this? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker amp recommendations please
iPhone;413433 Wrote: Do you have the electronics and are just looking for Speakers? If yes, I still go back to my post in the Speaker Thread. Used Vandersteen Model 2 Signatures either the original or the newer II's. For brand new, the Thiel 1.6s or the Vandersteen Model 1C. It is hard to beat a flooring standing full range speaker that is also time and phase aligned using first order matched crossovers. The Model 1C really doesn;t take up anymore room then a pair of monitors on stands and one gets so much more bang for the buck. It is worth the time to at least go listen to a pair. I'm looking to upgrade my amp as well, because the ones I have available (a 'vintage' JVC JA-S44 and a gagTechnics SA-EX140/gag) are only basic low-to-mid end consumer grade that probably won't do justice to the speakers. I'm willing to go second-hand on the amp as well, so I'm hoping that the amp will eat only $200-300 out of the $1200 budget. That budget isn't written in stone, but I do want to be careful around that slippery slope. Based on your posts and others and several reviews I've read the Vandersteen 1C and 2 Signature are top candidates and I will definitely give them a serious listen. Thanks to you and others for the other suggestions -- it really helps to narrow down a couple things before walking into the store. Any particular recommendations for an amp to go with Vandersteens? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61984 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker amp recommendations please
I'm looking to upgrade the system in my living room/lounge and would like some advice to help come up with a shortlist to audition. I've seen the similar threads that have come up in the past (including 'this thread on speakers' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42541)), and it seems like there are a lot of good options. Now I'm hoping to narrow down the choices based on the room specifics. The room is about 13ft x 15ft (4m x 4.6m) with an 8ft ceiling, and because of the room arrangement the speakers will probably need to go along the longer wall, and cannot be placed more than a foot or so from the back wall. The hardwood floor is mostly covered with thick area carpet, and there is a mixture of soft and hard furnishings. We listen to various types of music, rock, acoustic, vocal, classical, although not much jazz. My budget is around US$1200 -- I don't feel obliged to spend that much, but I could exceed it by a little and be okay. I'm fine with going on the second-hand market such as Audiogon. And I should say that I'd be open to active monitors or amp+passive speakers. Thanks in advance for any insights. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61984 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From I-Tunes (or any other store) to Music Collection... Best Practises?
pablolie;233613 Wrote: The reason I do not want to do the latter [convert to FLAC instead of MP3] is because, sometime down the line, I want to remember the quality of the source. The 192k MP3 to me is a constant reminder that, perhaps, sometimes, I should upgrade the file. If I store it as a FLAC I'll just forget... I know there are also many other ways of dealing with that consideration... I can see that argument, but what works better for me is to use the FLAC Comment tag to remind me that it comes from a lossy source. Another reason I prefer converting my few dozen iTunes lossy tracks to FLAC is that I find the FLAC/Ogg tagging much more straightforward than ID3 tags. It seems that whenever I have a tagging/slimserver problem it's with the 3% of my tracks that are MP3. YMMV -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
hammer65;213420 Wrote: I have been an audiofile for many years and tried a lot of different equipment both transistor/valve amplifiers, dynamic/electrostatic speakers. Some of my friends are constructors of HiFi-equipment and I have lend my ears for many critical listening sessions. It's very sad that you Seanadams has an negatively attitude to critisism. Isn't it important as a constructor/inventor to be openminded and try to listen to critical voices. Even if our problem sounds rather strange. I have contacted a friend/researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology here in Stockholm for help with the measurement. Maybe this measurement will tell us if everything is placebo or not. Sean *is* being open minded. He has explained how the SB is designed, what different functions do, and reported on his own measurements and listening tests. He and others in the forum have also patiently explained how to test things yourself. So far you not only haven't proven anything, but you haven't even presented any serious data, or even given the impression that you are willing to provide data to back up your claim. One supposed blind test with N=5 is it. Why not *do* some of the tests that have been suggested, such as recording and comparing the digital output, post the data here, and then we can discuss the issue. If you can't back up your claims with real data then there is nothing to investigate further. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
omega;212012 Wrote: seanadams, do you have measure equipment ? LOL! Do you think Sean might have had some measure equipment *when he invented* the Slimp3 and the SB? This canĀ“t realy be a Placebo thing Both of us can hear this cleary and my girfriend to. Looking forward to hearing the results of your *blind A/B* tests. FYI, I tried your test, and couldn't hear it the effect you claim. That could be because my audio equipment is only hi-fi, not high end. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking for tiny amp!
Mark Lanctot;201301 Wrote: If these are off their Lifestyle system, the speakers cannot be powered by anything other than what's in the Bose bass module. The bass module contains custom crossovers and filters and the speakers will sound very, very poor without it. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the same applies to the Bose Acoustimass speaker line as well. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35073 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple's Airport Express With Squeebox
This isn't really an 'audiophile' answer, but I think a critical question is how do you want to control your secondary/outdoor SB? With an airport express you'll either have to (a) run back in the house to select/skip/etc. tracks, or (b) control the SB inside via PDA or similar networked remote. My guess is you'll be much happier with another SB, simply from a convenience standpoint. And the bonus is that people at poolside don't have to listen to the same tunes as the people inside. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads
crooner;170080 Wrote: The URL is giving me an error. Is this correct? or part of the take days feature? I believe that the last part of the URL in www.amazon.whateverTLD stands for whatever Top Level Domain. So that would be www.amazon.com or www.amazon.co.uk or whatever is appropriate for where you live/shop. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?
ModelCitizen;163057 Wrote: I'd like to try this. Can you tell me how you can use this Foobar2000 ABX test with a dedicated audiophile set up (i.e. not via a computer sound card with associated computer electrical noise and ambient noise). I probably couldn't tell the difference between a 96khz mp3 and a lossless file with my computer's audio set up! MC It's not Foobar2k, but a few months back someone posted a perl script that makes it easy to create the audio files for blind AB testing on your audio system. The first post has a script for testing flac vs. wav, but a subsequent post has an amended script for creating the files to test lossless (I think it might be wav) vs. MP3. See: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21545 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30594 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: MP3 to FLAC
autopilot;132505 Wrote: The data lost when compressing to MP3 is lost forever. The FLACS will sound the same. You will just end up with bigger files, absolutly no point. All true, but there actually _might_ be some point to doing it. I'd say that 90% of my tagging problems with slimserver come from the 5% of my collection that is MP3. The FLAC/Ogg tagging/comment system is really straightforward, whereas the IDV3 tags in MP3 can be a real pain, and further complicated if you add replaygain, which are stored in APE tags. For example, I'm still trying to sort out a handful of MP3s for which slimserver has created an other genre for no readily apparent reason. Even putting the relative merits of the different tagging systems aside, dealing with two systems is unnecessary aggravation. I've toyed with the idea of wasting some disk space by converting the MP3s to FLAC, just to simplify management, although I haven't done it yet. Of course, years from now I'll probably forget that the original source was MP3s, and wonder why those FLACs sound so crappy.. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Slim Devices NAS Device
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 Question: What do you think about the new SD NAS device? - Awesome! Where can I get one? - Nice. I'll put that on my wish list. - Not for me, but it sure is pretty. - Lame idea. Have the SD folks lost their minds? I don't use iTunes with slimserver, but according to the wiki slimserver and iTunes do _not_ need to be running on the same machine. Slimserver just needs to be able to read the iTunes library xml file. The wiki entry is clearly still a work in progress, but it does seem clear on this point. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToiTunes Coming at it from a slightly different angle: I couldn't see anywhere in the Infrant web docs what operating system the NAS is running, but I'd certainly expect it's some flavor of Linux. As iTunes is Mac/Windows only, it would have to run on a different machine, and the wiki indicates that's do-able. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Slim Devices NAS Device
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 Question: What do you think about the new SD NAS device? - Awesome! Where can I get one? - Nice. I'll put that on my wish list. - Not for me, but it sure is pretty. - Lame idea. Have the SD folks lost their minds? I think this is a smart move on the part of both companies. For SD, it starts to address the it's too complicated for the average user complaints. I'm not sure what the analogous complaints are in the Infrant camp, except maybe but what would I _do_ with a TB of storage? (answer: fill it with flac!). My first reaction was that I wished they'd aimed for a lower price point, like 1 SB with about half that amount of storage on the NAS. But they probably saw the people willing to part with a K$ (that's kilo-dollar) and more for Sonos, Olive, etc. and decided to get a piece of that action. Yes, it's still much cheaper to make an alternative from scratch, but I don't think they were aiming for the 'enthusiast' market that hangs out in the forums. And the real beauty is that each company is continuing to do what they do best, and leaving it all completely modular. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Slim Devices NAS Device
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 Question: What do you think about the new SD NAS device? - Awesome! Where can I get one? - Nice. I'll put that on my wish list. - Not for me, but it sure is pretty. - Lame idea. Have the SD folks lost their minds? kolding Wrote: One thing I hope they add is something like what Olive does, a ripping, preloading service. Buy the device, get 100 CD's ripped for free type of thing, and the ability to rip as many others as you desire for appropriate fees. Well, it's not thrown in gratis, and apparently not as well-publicized as it might be, but it is already out there: http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_ripping.html -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Kyle Wrote: I'm not sure the zip file analogy is valid here. If all of the sixes in your spreadsheet had one pixel out of place, chances are slim that anyone would notice. However, critical audio listening might indeed pick up such a minor discrepancy. That said, I believe that FLAC produces the same audio signal as WAV, and for me the bandwidth issue (I'm running wireless) makes it a no-brainer. The validity of the zip analogy is that both zip and flac are lossless. So there won't be any pixels, decimal points, or anything else out of place. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: Cost is not the issue. The biggest mirrored drive I could get when I bought my Netgear SC101 was 400GB, I got 2 of them - now the largest one is 500GB. It simply is not large enough to house my collection -losslessly- and allow for headroom for growth. Then why not simply get additional drives? As others have pointed out, slimserver can easily work with music collections on multiple drives. If need be, get an additional SC101, too. -Ken -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
