Re: [ilugd] Need Help regarding developing a site
Kapil Gupta navka...@... writes: I need suggestions / comments / feedback and for making a site like below. i think that this is a huge site and i may not be able to do it by myself. my idea to develop it in mediawiki, will you suggest me something better for my purpose. Since it is a littile big document, please follow the link. https://docs.google.com /Doc?docid=0Abk_RjBgPsd6ZGR6MnZ3andfNDIxcmJwcXdtZHYhl=en Way too broad a scope for success in my opinion. I've had thoughts along similar lines some time ago. My conclusion was that it would be a project capable of growing into a virtuous circle if kept within reasonable constraints and goals. For something like this to work, you need several components. 1. the website needs to be resilient to takedown 2. the information it uncovers needs to be transparent and verifiable so that people trust it as a resource 3. people should want it Let's elaborate on these: 1. takedown resilience * make it economically viable (how? see 3) * strongarm tactics against it should not be able to succeed. This means anonymity for the site admins and owners would be needed. note that this is rather wikileaks-like. It doesn't need the same architecture of course, there are other ways of doing this. But wikileaks is a proven model. 2. transparent verifiable information * wikileaks has a failing in that its submissions are unverifiable. * However we can limit the scope of the project to verifiable information by making it based on non-confidential queries into dubious areas of governance. An ideal implementation would be to make RTI exchanges public * having peer review decide if each RTI filing is appropriate (RTI is abused sometimes too). * track the filing through its stages publicly, updating the site so that the great Indian public can keep their eyes on progress * keep the finances of the site transparent too 3. must be a desirable service * Literate Indians in India and abroad would want to see the crap that happens in India solved. I expect they'd happily be the financial motor behind it, whipping out their credit cards in a fit of vengeance at their pet peeve (passport office, driving licence, other forms of institutionalized bribery), as long as they don't have to deal with the pain of babudom themselves. Effectively, with credit cards, they'd be able to hire RTI pros to tackle evil babudom. * Few Evil Overlords would publicly oppose such a site. Given the capital, it'd be a straightforward web app to roll out within about 3 months. PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] computer bits clear out - p3s, monitor, misc
Free old pc stuff in Saket/Malviya Nagar area, South Delhi (free as in beer). Ideally to a GNUed home, but you have the freedom to choose what to do with it ;-) because free as in freedom is also good : 1. 4 p3 boxes in various states. One just needs a drive to work, the rest, dunno. They have stuff like network, sound, smps etc. You can probably build a couple of router boxes/NAS whatever out of them. 2. Also a crt 15 monitor 3. misc stuff - an RMS book, a book about Turing, old keyboard/mouse etc Mail me at p3.to.pee...@spamgourmet.com with your details and we'll figure out how you pick them up. Conditions: You'll need to know how to use a screwdriver on cases and pci cards as you do the PCI-card Shuffle TM. You'll have to pick all that crap up - surely you'd need a car for that. Last time I did a clear out like this, I saw with my own naked, steaming eyes, some brave soul take couple of boxes and a monitor on his bike and wobble off with a happy grin. He survived ;-). But, man, you are certifiably insane if you try lugging all this lot now on a bike. regards PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [perhaps OT] please help me to set up conne ctivity in the following scenario
Shiv shiv_j...@... writes: We use Vyatta (www.vyatta.org) extensively to achieve similar networking topology. A list of linux and bsd based stuff that can do this sort of thing is at: http://code.google.com/p/muggles/#Alternatives regards PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How to install Ubuntu 9.10 form Network
Gourav Shah freedom...@... writes: This is very much doable with PXE boot, dhcp, tftp and preseed. [Snip details] The only thing I'll add is worry about redundancy/foolproofness/documentation even more than usual if this is a critical system. Oh, and stress test it if you have lots of machines pulling in the images. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: unable to type in remington keyboard
narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@... writes: From: khyali swami kswami.digantar at gmail.com Please tell me how to type आप using *regington keyboard* Also, in window, I use to type shift h + k + w + [ + k for writing Bhookh भूख But in Linux Fedora + IBUS + Remington, I HAVE to type shift h + backspace + w + [ + backspace This is giving us a lot of un-comfort and our whole organization is migrating on windows again just because of this problem. I'm a bit confused - isn't the linux way fewer keystrokes? Or do you want to clone the exact keystrokes you had before because of finger memory ? Well, everything is fixable in linux, so spec more clearly what you want, and some domain expert (which I'm not) will step in and tell you how to fix it. If it is urgent, you can offer a payment for the fix. PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Two IP on a machine
Gehani, Gaurav gauravforyou...@... writes: -- @ashish I dont think that each appliication specially browers will be supporting I mean i think browers wont directly be deciding which network interface to use. The other thing that you said having two proxy servers bound to different local ports how will that work? I didnt understand that properly Ashish's (rather neat IMHO) idea is like this: Routing browser1 via proxy1 (at a local ip address and port) to use gateway1's ip address (bound to the ethernet interface), and browser2 via proxy2 (at another local ip address and port) to use gateway2's ip address (bound the mobile interface). You could do it with only configuring one proxy of course, since you'd have a default route/gateway anyway. PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Inventory Management Software
Amit Sharma amit_...@... writes: I am looking for a Inventory Management Software on Linux. My requirement is that I should be able to maintain Database of the HW inventory(CPU, RAM, S.NO. monitor size, etc. etc.) along with its history of changes, so that I can extract report on need basis. http://www.glpi-project.org/spip.php?rubrique25 seems to do this. There's an online demo if you want to try it out too. aptitude install glpi regards PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] How to run script on other machine if ping breaks?
Amit Sharma amit_...@... writes: I have created the script for ip change and other setting but would like to know how to run it on B at the time when B is unable to get ping request from A for say 5 minutes. If you want to keep it lightweight instead of bringing in the heartbeat framework, you can script something up based on the ping response itself. ping -c1 ip.address.of.A || do_ip_change_etc You'll have to run it in a loop. And think of the sleep time between pings, and number of ping fails before you switch. PJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Amit Sharma amit_...@... writes: Lets See! One more thing to check is that in console mode and in cron mode the file transferred across is in bin mode. In the script, for the EOT here-doc stick in bin in before you put the file. In console mode use type to check the status (or just type bin anyway). ascii and bin *should* both take up the same space, but maybe there is a compressed file system on the server which coupled with ascii vs bin is causing the discrepancy. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Amit Sharma amit_...@... writes: Same Script is able to successfully transfer (FTP) 40GB data when run as user root in command prompt. When same script is scheduled in cron for 2345 hrs (weekly), script runs and transfer say 18GB of data and terminates with error 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Sounds like you're getting spanked on the ass by the reserved space option of your filesystem (see -m option in mkfs.ext2) Check the free space fraction left over. Root has privileges to use the last 5% of free space, non-root users don't. PJ (ilugd dot to dot peejay at spamgourmet dot com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] dingux embedded platform
For those who complain there are no games for linux: http://www.dingux.com/ Basically a retro platform for playstation 1, and nintendo 64 emulation on a cheap chinese widget. Scour Nehru Place/CP for the hardware. What else can you do with it? Play music, play fm radio, watch movies (to TV screen is apparently also possible with tv-out). Happy hacking! PJ ilugd dot to dot peejay at spamgourmet dot com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] DoT wants verification of Internet users online
Nishant Sharma codemarau...@... writes: [from the news] Aiming at preventing the misuse of Wi-Fi connectivity by unauthorised users, the department of telecommunications has directed all telecom service providers to implement an online centralised authentication procedure for Internet subscribers. Sounds like a reaction to one of the Bombay attacks where an American had an open wifi that was used to send a terrorist message by a bomb conspirator. That the American fled the country rather than waiting for the courts to declare his innocence says plenty about the Indian court system. (That he managed to flee the country despite being watched says a lot about the state of India generally too, of course). From the report, it seems the open wifi problem is still going to be around (it isn't dealt with by the measure). Centralized authentication (?) isn't solving authentication or location-of-subscriber better than current authentication methods either. They must mean centralized logging rather than authentication, that's my guess. Anyway, the centralized authentication procedure (or whatever it really ends up being), like many India systems, well need proper accountability built in to the process to prevent its abuse. Eg: Mohammed! You are the registered owner of this connection from where a claim of responsibility for the recent bomb blast originated! But I haven't claimed that and I am the only person using the connection, and my system is heavily secured! There's no way it can be originating from me! OK, then, just pay me 25 lakh and we'll forget about it. Else I'll grind you and your beard through the courts and everyone will think you're a terrorist. PJ (hmmm. spooky correlations, with these captchas sometimes. This one was radicalism) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Commercial] Migration to Ubuntu in Delhi
Alok G. Singh alephn...@... writes: Oui, à la fois, monsieur :) Seeing two responses already, I'm delighted to see that linux sysadmin support is getting popular. Do write in occasionally to let the list now about any interesting problems faced etc (if any). I expect it to be a kickass migration. PJ lug dot delhi dot peejay at spamgourmet dot com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] My query
Naresh Narang nknar...@... writes: Excuse my ignorance but what does being an RHCE or XYZ tell me? The RHCEs are based on good exams AFAICS. What surprises me is why the people who pass them often aren't as capable as the certification would suggest. I've never really understood why that is. What's going on there? Comments? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Gargi College launches Gargi Linux Users Group
Linux Lingam linuxlin...@... writes: over the next few weeks and months, expect large-scale migration to linux and foss at gargi Cool. I just finished translating a press release about a similar rollout for a hospital here in Holland. It is saving them half a million euros in licencing alone. Maybe I am biased, but it feels like huge changes are starting to happen all over as the amazing power and value of FOSS moves into institutions. http://www.osor.eu/news/nl-hospital-to-migrate-front-and-back-office-to-open-source [the above url is not my press release translation btw - if anyone wants that, I can mail it to them individually] PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Very-old-topic] Distro having best compati bility with MS related products
Smruti smrutiman...@... writes: Finally I managed to convince one of my managers to try Linux. She will probably start with a dual-boot setup. Now comes the time for the old questions. Which Distro to recommend. But this time the biggest criteria is compatibility. [snip requirements list] Good thing you gave a fairly thorough idea about what was needed. It looks like the lock-in is pretty strong with your outfit. yodaStrong, the dark side of the source with you is./yoda I would suggest you don't try it - it really sounds like the expectations of backwards compatibility are too high. I would suggest that you bring in linux for new stuff which doesn't have this backward compatiblity requirement. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] indian freedoms cut
IT bill passed through parliament. Summary at: http://www.countercurrents.org/karun020109.htm Discussed on slashdot at: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/09/01/03/0246252.shtml The likely abuse bodes ill for the future. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Oracle-PostgreSQL migration -- HOWTO
Raj Mathur r...@... writes: Was doing some Oracle-PostgreSQL migration in a Xen VM for a client, and [snip] Oh, doublepluscool! I see there's a xen-kernel for lenny around now! I was using virtualbox for my own needs 'cos xen wasn't packaged yet. I haven't noticed any real problems with vbox, but I do suspect xen is more mature for production use. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Phantom Downloads
Parijat Garg parijatg...@... writes: Hi All, I have an airtel broadband connection. When I was looking through my monthly bill today, I found that there were large downloads (100s of MBs) in my logs; often starting at exactly the same time everyday for many days at a stretch. I am sure I did not generate that traffic. I wouldn't be so sure. Skype can do that sort of thing. What about automated network updates? Responses to pings/scans/other ip traffic? Try monitoring your network traffic (wireshark, tcpdump etc). Find which of your packages is the guilty one and then you can make a decision on if you want to keep it around or do something like remove/throttle it. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] OT - Any Mozilla Hackers here ?
Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip mozilla bug report posted to list] Answers-- as well as pointers on where to look - on the net ? or in the codebase ? Lemme know... For windows users there is bugzilla.mozilla.org for this sort of thing. Search for the bug. If you can't find it, report it. If you can find it, you will find a solution/workaround or you will be able to help give feedback/input and test fixes. Tip: to file a good bug report be specific. Eg: in your report, give an actual example. Describe your windows version, your apps version etc. Good bug reports tend to get solved quicker because the developers can actually understand and reproduce the problems with less effort. Tip: For GNU/Linux users - report the bug at platform level - eg for debian users, use the reportbug tool which helps you place the bug report at bugs.debian.org. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Kiss Your TV Goodbye. With GISS.tv
Angad Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is great for people who cannot afford to host a video streaming server (with IceCast) of their own - since the bandwidth requirement makes that kind of hosting costly - it's based on the giss.tv network, the concept is awesome. Note, MTNL upload is unmetered. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had attached the paper in my second mail only. The paper is there attached in the thread it self.! Even thats ambigious because my conference starts tomoro only. If u want i can repost the paper as attachment.! (Aside: Please use a spellchecker before I gouge out my own eyes) I think attachments to this list get junked. In any case, The gmane web/news access system doesn't have it. So, put the attachment up somewhere I guess. Regds Amar Akshat (No more a Certified Ethical Hacker) Nice. You've almost redeemed yourself ;-) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The cookie riding facilities is not what i talked about Then why did you give this thread the title of The Google Cookie Conspiracy ..i was discusing rather the unethical ways of google to play wih user arguments and to strengthen its search area. ny wayz EULA makes it all ethical in all issues.!! Regds Amar Akshat OK, so they're using the search argument data to improve google. How are they being unethical? Do you really understand what ethical or unethical behaviour is? Certified Ethical Hacker, Eh? Please tell me, which authority certified you with that rather pompous-sounding title? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Russia's Open Source Revolution
tirveni yadav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russia's top leadership is advocating and making policies which are good for open source. Heh. Cue lots of american trolls saying linux is communist. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Need Technical Help - for creating custom Linux Distro
Kiran K [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Folks Iam the Author of the Open Source Project: Traffic Squeezer. Traffic Squeezer is a WAN Acceleration solution: http://trafficsqueezer.sourceforge.net/http://trafficsqueezer.sourceforge.net/ The project development is still under progress. The delivery of the solution I want to provide to the end-users as a stand-alone Linux Distro along with pre-installed Traffic Squeezer solution. Since Traffic Squeezer has the code both in kernel level as well as in user-space I want to make it as a complete custom Linux installable distro and bundle. I never worked ever building a custom Linux Distro. If there is anyone who want to volunteer you are welcome. Or possible if you have any suggestions or ideas on the same please feel free to communicate with me. Thank you foks. Kiran Kankipati I would question the need for a custom distro. Seriously, if the skeleton is there from an established distro, and you only have a few tweaks here and there in the kernel to really worry about, the I'd say work with the distro and build a package (along with building the kernel package or kernel modules needed). I'd probably do it built on top of a minimum debian (say, a net install) and try and fit things in to the Debian Way of doing things. Like all major distros they have well-defined ways to do stuff. A skeleton saves you a lot of pain (don't repeat yourself) and enforces discipline which might otherwise make your design messy and repetetive (don't repeat yourself). If you still really think you need to avoid the standard design and policies then you can certainly go ahead with a nasty installer script that installs on top of the distro and breaks policies. It won't be as popular as a real package though. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] debian on openmoko
Lovely. Major /. discussion at: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/08/16/0037221.shtml Is ekiga (voice) possible (via wifi) on this yet? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [LUG at IITD:1921] [OT] (p ossibly) Most user friendly Distro for non-techies
Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My vote goes to Xandros with Easydesktop that is distributed with every new Asus EEEPC (the highly acclaimed netbook series from Asus). It takes the cake when it comes to user-friendliness and ease of use for first time users. xandros has too much proprietary stuff to be free as in freedom in my opinion, so I would avoid it if you want to avoid lock-in. I have heard people asking if this was M$ Windoze with a different theme :) It may be a good idea putting an MS windows theme onto a linux system for people who are switching over (there are plenty of such themes available). PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Lett er To Linux For You India
M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Sirs, Thank you all for good bad appreciating and threatening comments.I shall keep respecting all even if they do not respect me.This happens when complex issues are debated. [snip rest of cobbled-together statements] I wonder if this so-called M S Yatnatti is actually a sophisticated perl script that gathers together randoms strings that are tenously linked to each other and mashes them together to form an incoherent, dribbling, gibbering whole. I tried to follow the logic of MSY's last mail. But after raising several warnings my brain blew a fuse and refused to continue to parse it. PJ PS: Respect is what you get if you listen and respond logically. You simply aren't doing that. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Delhi company apparently contributing to madwifi code
Just a note in passing. The latest madwifi driver source (used by atheros chipsets) had: URL: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-madwifi/?sc=1rev=359 Log: * New upstream SVN snapshot. - new HAl version 2008-08-15 produced in co-operative effort by OpenWrt.org, DD-WRT and MakSat Technologies (P) Ltd. That's cool. Maksat are in Okhla and do WAN routers. Looks like the times they are are a-changing in Delhi too. PJ PS: I hope they aren't contaminated by the controversy around dd-wrt's approach to source code (accusation: http://www.bitsum.com/about-ddwrt.htm , sort of response: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7309postdays \ =0postorder=ascstart=0) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Determining total bandwidth use by a network interface
Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do NICs themselves store this data in some form? Could the the OS do so without having switched on any explicit logging? The proc system keeps track of RX/TX packets until reboot. Readable in: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |grep X But it cycles at a maximum of x packets though, where x is related to 32bit size (not sure of details and if it is different these days or varies with 64 bit kernels etc). In either case, what would be a good tool to use to do this? vnstat is a very light package that will collect those stats. But you have to install it first. vnstat can be inaccurate if you keep switching the machine off before it can process sampled data enough. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [re: ubuntu] how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? Bear in mind that while GPL requires you to publish source of distributed code, it does not require you to contribute back upstream. That's a funda- mental part of GPL freedom too. So, ubuntu is not contributing back upstream into debian. I am convinced this is self correcting in the long term. In the short term it is handy for ubuntu packagers since they have easy control over what they need to fix. In the long term however debian upstream will diverge more and more from ubuntu. This is a bad thing for all since it means more work all round, fixes can't go back upstream smoothly, and maintaining ubuntu will get more painful. The process is handily summarized in this diagram: http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/attribution.png Notice the flow of fixes from ubuntu is not going anywhere beyond ubuntu. This is clearly a workflow process issue. I expect it will be formally addressed and fixed. Basically by adding an arrow in the diagram pointing upstream to debian and enforcing it as policy for ubuntu packagers. In the same line of thought, Joey Hess, a prominent debian maintainer, has suggested that divergence from upstream be treated as a bug (http://lwn.net/Articles/283038/) since he believes that upstream fixing is wiser than ad-hoc fixing for a distribution package. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer
On Friday 19 Sep 2008, Linux Lingam wrote: [snip] the last time i used LIVES it hopelessly broke my system, a knoppix upped to debian... Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, a Knoppix upped to Debian is hopelessly broken by definition. Yup, I second that, from past experience. Don't do that. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] New machine, minor irritants
Raj Mathur writes: System booted up first shot with the old Debian kernel, and except that somehow eth0 had got renamed to eth1 Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: udev(7) is responsible. To fix the issue, edit '/etc/udev/rules.d/??-persistent-net.rules' to suit you. Yebbut udev persistence only came in on etch. Unless Raj is still running sarge? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [commercial][jobs] Linux sysadmin needed
Howdy all, We need a medium/senior level linux sysadmin to tackle things here at Srijan. Srijan is pretty much an all-linux outfit, doing php/ruby/python/django/typo3 development. The profile: * Someone who is wise and can figure things out, as opposed to someone who cluelessly does point-and-click/cut-and-paste until the system surrenders out of weariness. * Ignorant geniuses will be considered too (these are the kind of people who have grasp of fundamentals, and don't initially know the ins and outs of what they're solving, but can understand it pretty quickly. Though you'd have to be pretty good, since it is pretty hard to beat experience). * You should have a reasonable degree of shell or perl scripting prowess. (I'm not expecting perl golfers or OOP bash wizards - just someone who knows the way to get to that kind of depth if needed, and may indeed have done so earlier, but who usually won't bother since he just needs quick and dirty fixes ). * Being manic about documentation for any systems that you architect is important. (The aim is to make you fungible ;-) ) * Typically, you would be comfortable with installing various linuxes (we tend to have ubuntu), and not be scared about things like: identifying a malfunctioning card and replacing it; setting up a basic webserver with modules; being able to isolate networking problems, using nmap, ethereal/tcpdump; configuring postfix/exim/squid/samba/mysql/cups/pdnsd/ postgres/RAID/lilo/grub/iptables/procmail/shorewall/ndiswrapper; building hooks for mutt; compiling a custom kernel; identifying hard-drive failures; memory failures. You would also be aware of the best current practices and be keen on implementing them pragmatically. The above sort of profile is the only requirement that we need. But wait! There's more! Perks: Working 3 days a week/working from home is also negotiable if you're really good. One perk that comes with a flexible and open outfit like Srijan is that if you have other strengths (non-sysadmin strengths) that may benefit Srijan, then you are encouraged to ask to be considered for a role that uses that strength. Eg: Say you think that you are also a budding project manager or entrepreneur, or sales person - then Srijan is a good place to start applying that talent. (you're encouraged to renegotiate your salary according to the value you have brought in with using this extra talent). If interested, mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call us on 011-41608543 regards PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Make special gateway
Shamail Tayyab [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, My internet access at college in through a proxy server, now i want to set up NAT for my lab in such a way that i don't have to use proxy server for the local machines. Please tell me how to configure it.. Regards Look up how to set up a transparent proxy. That's probably your best solution. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS MS Exchange replacement
Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wo'nt it be better, if we use MS Exchange with Open protocols enabled. I find most people do'nt use IMAP / POP3 on Exchange, but restrict to the proprietary RPC based protocol. Is that webDAV? Hotwayd provides a pop3 and smtp interface to the webdav implementation of hotmail. And hotmail can talk to outlook via webdav for now (it may get discontinued in a while). I've used standard mail clients to do pop3 and smtp access is this way for years to hotmail. So, maybe rip out the relevant code for abuse elsewhere? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS MS Exchange replacement
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 31 Jul 2008, Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote: As the subject says, is there an all-FOSS MS Exchange server replacement? One that does mail and calendaring with LookOut at least. [snip] Looked at that and got turned off by the proprietary connectors required to make outlook play nice with Kolab. Now if there were a FOSS connector... Zarafa (http://zarafa.com/open-standards.html) may be ok there. Dunno. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Reading TCP packets
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, let me rephrase -- even if you can have packets for two different applications arriving on the same TCP port, actually doing so would be going against one of the basic design tenets of IP (the unique address/protocol/port identifier). I'd strongly recommend against such a setup. Apart from being totally incomprehensible to anyone else (or even to yourself 6 months after you set it up), it'll be impossible to replicate properly, and extremely fragile -- you don't write applications that break when a client upgrade changes the value of one bit in a packet somewhere. Is it fragile if iptables marks the packets in, say, unused bits of the tos settings of the tcp/ip packet just after the generator sends it? (I'm assuming this tag will traverse the net without problems so it can be filtered according to tos by iptables at the other end - I don't know how that may work in practice - it seems convenient. I'm sure you have a better idea than I do.) All in all, a horribly dirty hack which I personally wouldn't touch with a 20-metre barge pole. If it's documented how the marking is done and it traverses without causing hiccups, then it looks like a pretty clean hack (iptables being the only places the implementor has to do stuff), given the conditions the original poster has to follow. I'm almost inspired to test it out myself... PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Reading TCP packets
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I set up apache or iptables to log in incoming data packets while at the same time allow apache to serve web pages? You can't. I'm wondering why iptables logging and dropping packets from the particular src wouldn't work. I'm probably missing something basic here... PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Port forwarding and multiple queries
shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend of mine has got reliance broadband and he has been wanting to do some torrenting on the same. He has got the MTA 6328-1Be2S as a router from reliance . We tried port-forwarding on the device but that option doesn't seem to be there. An RTFM suggests this is not possible. But what is the problem with torrents? If it's a block of the torrent ports, then does shifting ports not help? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] PGP and mailing lists
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2008, Puneet Lakhina wrote: 1) Why dont services like Gmail understand PGP encrypted messages and decrypt them? Has this got something to do with export regulations on encyrption software? Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because the mail service does not have your PGP private key, which is needed for decrypting PGP-encrypted messages. And if it did, the whole point of PGP (end-user validation/privacy of messages) would be lost. Indeed. Plus google likes mining e-mail data, so in principle they wouldn't want to encourage storage of encrypted mail on their systems. That said, there are some plugins for firefox that let you encrypt and decrypt google mail in the browser. I am unsure if it gets past the issue of google's rather aggressive draft caching during composition though. My main reason for this newly accquired paranoia about email privacy is that I dont want my email admin to be reading my mails, even if they are to the mailing list. Is PGP the right thing for this? Maybe. Depends where the e-mail admin is in the pipeline. Maybe get a paid consultation from someone to look at the details if you are that worried. Else you'll get often get pointed to self-study such issues. Your issues may not just be solvable using pgp/gpg alone - you may need to have a good look at the processes and the reasoning behind it by a security consultant. But it depends how paranoid you are. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Command Line PNR Enquiry Script
narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, This is my small effort for my first perl scipt : using this you can check your pnr status fast and without using bad and slow interface if indianrail.gov.in A non-perl version explained and documented at: http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/LinuxTricks PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Govt of India on-line Grievance forum
narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Government of India has an on-line Grievance forum at** ** http://pgportal.gov.in/index.html* http://pgportal.gov.in/index.html Argh. Another chain mail. Besides, I've wasted my time with this one earlier. It doesn't work since there is no-one accountable there, for now. E-governance in India sounds cool, and has a lot of government department claimants. But without designed accountability it is doomed to failure. The people implementing these (usually outfits like infosys/wipro) are used because, well, no one ever gets fired for using them (parallels of no one gets fired buying IBM), even though the processes implemented have obvious points of failure from the point of view of the governed. (I'm not talking about symptoms like sites that only work with IE - I'm talking about the root cause, basic accountability). Contrast with developed countries: response to e-mail within hours, giving resolution or updates to where in the decision chain things are. The difference is accountability: Rules about procedures are easy to access. Government does its job according to the procedures, and if the implementation of a procedure is wrong, the implementor is accountable and corrects the matter. The only accountability tool that works well for the common man in India is the RTI, and even that requires more patience than many can afford. I hope that the RTI never gets defanged and neutered the way the i[n]diocracy would like, since so much of India's progress and freedom depends on it. Still, I *am* seeing signs of e-enablement taking off - it's a very slow process so far. I reckon 5 years down the line most of these things should be working tolerably. The accountability aspect will be the last thing that gets fixed, though. If ever. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin
shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists. So don't do that then. It irritates people and gets you bad karma. I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his source-code from some trash-bin It's distorted in the telling. I don't remember the website [snip excuses] I posted about it on this mailing list too a while ago, I think. I'd skip out on athletics and go down to this computer center. We were moving ahead very rapidly: Basic, FORTRAN, LISP, PDP-10 machine language, digging out the operating system listings from the trash and studying those. - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/ PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Startup programs with su privileges
Pratul Kalia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is something I have been battling for long. How can I set a program to start using superuser privileges, when my computer boots? Lets say I want a daemon to run the time I login, but it needs superuser privileges to work properly. If i just add sudo daemonname in gnome-sessions, it doesn't work. it doesn't work is too vague a description. Go through http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html to understand how to ask questions the smart way. Then, give a clear, specific example; explain why you want to do it that way; and the discussion will be off to a better start. To try and answer your question already: There are standard documented ways of building a daemon from a skeleton. Your problem may be how you are using sudo (but the it doesn't work description won't help people understand what you want clearly enough). If you don't want a daemon, consider setting the process to run using cron's @reboot setting (see man 5 crontab). If you want something to start after you have logged in, consider putting it in your .xsession or your .bash_login. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Copy VCD in linux
Shrinivasan T [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Friends. How to copy a VCD to another empty disc? i can not create dd dump or iso. it shows errors. VCD formats have this weird thing that the track spiral is often extended a bit beyond what normal drives can cope with. That may or may not be a contributing problem for you. The simplest way I've found is to get mplayer to play it, and use the dumpstream option to dump the file to a hard drive. If you really need it on a cd, then reencode to make it fit into a normal cd size. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?
2008/6/2 Raj Mathur raju at linux-delhi.org: Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on their primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me a non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a free driver that downloads a binary blob to the card itself. The blob isn't running on my CPU, so I'm less antagonistic to it being non-free. Praveen A [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, doesn't you own both the CPUs? It is like saying you cannot break my leg, but it is OK to break my finger. I think the problem here is that historically a lot of these blobs were running off the cpu as: 1. hardware 2. firmware and didn't come wrapped up in the kernel. When the move was made to making the off-cpu stuff cheaper by doing the stuff in payload code carried (but not executed) by the kernel, the manufacturer lost sight of the fact that while the function remained the same, GPL distribution conditions applied. I don't see it as a failing of GPL v2 for such special cases, and there is a violation - it's just not truly evil in intention. Also the owner still keeps the right to modify the code where as the user is left in the dark, isn't that the whole of the issue? Where is runs is just a matter of technical design. When the owner of the code has the ability to control code and the user is left at mercy of the owner the issue of Freedom comes. The intention was not to get around GPL, which is what I understand Raj to mean when he says he is less antagnostic. Talking about breaking fingers and legs, in that analogy, for this less evil case it is an accident - it is not on purpose - that your finger/leg was broken. Though, yeah, it's still been broken (fingers/legs/GPL), and ideally the source should be available. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?
PJ wrote: Doesn't the blob have the privilege to do horrid things to a running kernel (crash, compromise, expose stuff?) Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know if the above is true - I don't know kernel internals. But unverifiable code with kernel privileges is not a reassuring thought. That's the whole point, isn't it? The blob is not running as part of your kernel. It has been offloaded to the card in question, and it is the card's CPU that is running that code. Your kernel does nothing with the code except to push it onto the card once at initialisation time. Specifically, the kernel never executes it; heck, most of that code probably won't even run on x86! Thanks for the clarification. I see that I am almost certainly wrong then in being that worried about the security and stability aspect for off-cpu blobs (I wonder if there are any off-cpu x86 cards around - anyone care to run a disassembler on the payloads and see what comes up? (hmmm... vaguely wondering about the legality of that in some jurisdictions)) Also, is there pretty much a standard hook that is used by all such off-cpu blobs to deliver the payload that is easy to follow for a reviewer? To avoid a trojan sneaking in the kernel source via an obfuscated delivery method? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about me saying that Linus needs to ensure GPL compatible code] Huh? How so? You are now making a claim that has not been voiced so far, namely that this is somehow in violation of the GPL. Linus is committed to GPL V2 for the kernel. So he is obliged to fix code that violates that compatibility. He absolutely has every right to not bother getting involved in the debate on what a GPL violation actually is - but he is obliged to stick with GPL for kernel releases. Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Admittedly without having looked into the details of any of this, I find this hard to believe. At the least, there would be much more of a stink about this, and if it were true, vehement opposition would indeed be in order. You and me understand the issues around software freedom better than most people. The issue here isn't that obvious. If we don't see it as obvious, then how do you expect there to be much of a stink about it in general? I think it is a GPL violation since a decent coder can't figure out how to modify the disputed code that is distributed with the kernel, unlike the original coder. So there is no way you can say it is a preferred form of source in the GPL sense for the developer the code was distributed to. My objection was not to the initial alert, but to the implication that it was somehow incumbent on the quote community unquote to take up cudgels on this issue. I agree with your objection. (Though I am neutral on Niyam's sensationalizing technique. That looks like an ends vs means issue to me). so it looks like the kernel releases will be healthier than ever as a result of this. So the whole issue is IMO very Nietzschean in the sense of if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger. I fail to understand how this gels with the rest of your message. I personally read it as the equivalent of oh well, at least the smallpox blankets that we handed out did not kill so many people after all. Your comparison is non-germ-ane. Poor joke aside, I can't see how your analogy is applicable. My point was: in the end people are not locked in as much with the improved (= getting stronger) kernel as the GPL incompatible parts are removed. Eg: they are not doomed when a device manufacturer upgrades the code for newer hardware and the code turns out to be incompatible with the older hardware. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on their primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me a non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a free driver that downloads a binary blob to the card itself. The blob isn't running on my CPU, so I'm less antagonistic to it being non-free. OK. Aside from the freedom issue: Doesn't the blob have the privilege to do horrid things to a running kernel (crash, compromise, expose stuff?) I don't know if the above is true - I don't know kernel internals. But unverifiable code with kernel privileges is not a reassuring thought. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?
Niyam wrote: unless, are we supposed to merely agree with all-things linus, the pied-piper on the gates of dawn? Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know how starkly I can say this, but I will try: Linus doesn't owe anyone shit [snip] Well, actually, he does. If he's releasing stuff under GPL he's obliged to ensure it is GPL compatible. Let's keep things in proportion here though. This is stuff that would likely have got resolved done way or the other with clarity in the end. The current alert over this is timely, and is speeding stuff up in a helpful and positive way. I note in passing that much of the disputed code is turning out to be unpopular or BSD licenced anyway (ie GPL compatible) so it looks like the kernel releases will be healthier than ever as a result of this. So the whole issue is IMO very Nietzschean in the sense of if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms [OT]
[snip sarcastic remarks about what a steaming pile of donkey dung the UP government site is for normal people] I had a revelation on the web economy...I just discovered how closely online life mimics real life. You know how all these hurdles the government puts in means you are encouraged to use a tout (or do the bribing yourself)? Well, we have cybertouts. etouts. Whatever the hell you want to call them. Pay them the extortion money and they'll do the nasty.judging from the pricing for pulling out a simple birth certificate (Rs 20 if you personally go to MCD Delhi, no idea how much in other states, and about USD 108 (about Rs4200) at the e-tout yourmaninindia.com) E-governance for the common man is still some way away. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms
Manish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about UP government site that serves up unreadable information] Anyone with a Winduhs computer who can check whether the PDFs render in vanilla Winduhs? Checked on Adobe Reader 8.0 Win X SP2. Same gobbledygook. Oh. Well, that's alright then. Treat 180+ million people equally uselessly, whether on GNU/linux or any other OS. What a relief. I was *so* worried I was being discriminated against. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms [OT}
Manish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:29 PM, PJ wrote: UP is a state that if it was a country would be in the top 6 by population ranking. UP is #1 actually (ref: http://cyberjournalist.org.in/census/cenindia.html) I meant country as subset of world, not state as subset of country. So UP alone should be in the top 6 of countries by population if it were a country is my assertion. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] up nic registration forms
I'm having trouble viewing the pdf documents on http://registryoffice.up.nic.in/ (other than the marriage registration document). Eg: click on the 'certified copy link. The pdf doc that comes up renders as gobbledygook. I'd like to contact them, but the contact, instead of being plain html is pdf, rendered - you guessed it - as gobbledygook. Clicking around further to try and find out who should take credit for this, I see that most of the site is pdfs that can't be rendered. How unfathomable. Why would anyone do that? My eyebrows crawled right up my scalp and over to the back of my head in astonishment. UP is a state that if it was a country would be in the top 6 by population ranking. So providing such crap service without getting its producers lynched by an outraged mob is really pretty damned impressive. If anyone can figure out how to complain about this, do let me know. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open source Software for storing routes announced
Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Ajay Tripathi wrote: Dear All, We need an open source software for storing routes announced by ISPs in the Internet Exchange.Looking glass is only fetching the details and not storing in any database.Can any one help me regarding this issue. Maybe vyatta will serve these needs? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] peercast
Golly goshers! While building a bandwidth monitor for MTNL today I was thinking of a way of (ab)using a peculiar MTNL quirk: viz: uploads are not capped on any of their broadband plans. It's the quintessential Indian blood in me ... Now, a while ago during a post-presentation discussion at a Freedel/Freed do I'd suggested a way around the broadcast limitation of an internet radio server (ie the maximum number of streaming listeners that it can cope with) - the proposed solution was p2p broadcasting. I didn't know if it existed already, but the idea was that a p2p broadcasting network would work so that the more popular a station is, the better the service will be. Anyway, I forgot about it for a while. Until today. Today I stumbled onto the peercast applicaton, (http://www.peercast.org/), which has been around for a while. Also does video. Neat. More at http://www.peercast.org/info.php It means that anyone can be an internet radio/tv station that can grow without worrying about bandwidth. I find that flabbergasting. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Printing mysql data...
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once you have managed to extract the data and make pages, have a look at a2ps: http://www.gnu.org/software/a2ps/ Raj's tip: a2ps looks good for if you want to really tune the page My tip: psnup (part of psutils package) is a little simpler but with less fine control. Andrew Lynn's tip: letting openoffice do the hard work sounds easiest of all. Bipin: The extracting bit : thought about how you're going to do that yet? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Printing mysql data...
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 02 May 2008, bipin sartape wrote: hello friends my organisational telephone directory data is stored in mysql db.(approx 6000 records) i want to: 1)print the records(deptt wise, name wise ) In SQL: select * from address order by deptt, name; 2)the sequence of page printing should not be sequential(for binding purpose) Hmm, you want the pages printed out in random order? Regards, Definitely an LOL moment ;-) I think he meant one-sided printing - something like that anyway. Bipin, your spec is unclear. Also, you need to explain the details of how you're thinking of doing it before asking for help - that way we can at least figure out where in your thinking you may be going wrong. Your post is really too vague overall at present to get you a decent answer. Something to help you along (every budding geek should read this): http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [OT] etiquette note (was Re: Use for a really old PC?)
Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip paragraphs suggesting Anupam give the PC away] Though ofcourse it may not appeal to you and it's possible you may have to give it to some one not from your own caste or strata of society. -n.s I went through the thread again, and I saw no reason for introducing that snide remark. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Use for a really old PC?
Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, Any suggestions on how to use an ageing PC (P2 333 MHz, 128 MB RAM, 10GB HDD, No CDROM, No Ethernet)? Would trying to convert it to a data/media server for my home LAN (if I attach a larger HDD and an ethernet card to it) be an exercise in futility? Should I just trash it instead? Probably have enough horsepower to * make a backup pc (backuppc.sourceforge.net) - maybe after adding usb cards for extra offsitednessosityisness TM * make a recording studio? (add soundcards, Rs100 each 2nd hand) * make a wan aggregator (ebox, pfsense) for SMEs or for yourself - needs lan cards ( maybe Rs100 each second hand) If you have enough slots you can surely do fun stuff with it. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about introducing friends to Free software] The worry is more that a simple suggestion to use FOSS may prompt his friend to do nothing at all thus not be helped. Absolutely. It's the way you deal with it that counts. I usually let them use my Ubuntu laptop (replete with eye candy) for a few minutes and they are hooked. Excellent example of an encouraging way to deal with it. On a side note, this may be slightly controversial, it also helps sometimes to use Ubuntu without the Linux. Huh. Bigots are people too, I guess ;-) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: one of these friends today has asked me for the Windows Vista Home Premium CD so that he can try it out. I know its wrong in principal to give him the cd, its license terms deny it, and it would amount to software piracy. But if i dont give it, instead of understanding these principles, my friend would surely think Im just being mean, selfish. Where's the dilemma? If he is truly your friend you should point him to freedom and free software, and the principles of respecting licences. If he disowns you for having principles and for giving him helpful suggestions on setting him free, then you should reassess the value of this friendship. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT]Microsoft To Give Away Developer Tools To Students For Free
waseem ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Microsoft is making full versions of it's developer tools such as Visual Studio Professional Edition, Expression Studio and XNA Game Studio 2.0 available to students for freemukt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the relevance to this list is? At first I thought Kenneth was being his usual cantankerous self. But he's got a point. Maybe Waseem should have elaborated a bit on the a href=http://lwn.net/Articles/90428/;First Hit Is Free/a meme to make the relevance clearer for some people on the list who don't understand the difference between free and Free. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Save web page to image
आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ,--[ On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 07:42:44AM +, pj wrote: [snipped] Within x I'd maybe mangle together xwd with -nobdrs,throwing in xwininfo (applied to firefox) to extract firefox's window id from it followed by convert I'll be glad if you post how to figure out, Firefox's web UI's window id using xwininfo, and obviously programatically :) . Yeah, xlsclients -l -a is what I really meant. Though that doesn't list the id of the window we want either. So beats me how you'd do it neatly this relatively lightweight way. Though you can certainly copy the entire display (with the -screen option of xwd), and crop the bits you want in a rather lameass fashion. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Save web page to image
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wondering if there was some way to get a web page saved to an image from the command line? I'm looking for some set of tools that could render and save the page as an image without interaction from the user. One that would work without X preferred, but in a pinch X-based will do too. For non-x: links2 with snapscreenshot (http://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/snapscreenshot.html), should do it but I haven't tried it. Within x I'd maybe mangle together xwd with -nobdrs,throwing in xwininfo (applied to firefox) to extract firefox's window id from it followed by convert (- from imagemagick). Not sure if it can be done at that conveniently high level though and how you'd hide the firefox shenanigans (send to dummy display driver?). There is apparently a headless firefox around for this sort of thing. Let me know how you do it in the end. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
[talking about what kids do with laptops] Watch and share p0rn? I think it is right Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: incidentally, a few years ago i was in khajuraho, and was amazed to see children from nearby villages saving precious rupees so they could pay rs 15 or whatever it was, to surf the web from a cybercafe in the town. i peered over their shoulders for the five or six days i stayed there, and noticed these children (and even adults) would surf for anything but poPcORN. very interesting. leads me to conduct a thought-experiment: if we erected khajuraho temples in every town and city of the world, the current huge load of internet traffic and clogging for such material would just disappear. even more importantly, it would be fascinating to study what the vast majority of people would love to surf for, in their spare time. I'm sure Niyam knows it, since he saw the place with his own naked, steaming eyes, so this is just a didactic note for the rest of you: The stuff Khajuraho has a reputation for is completely overblown. It's only the tourism industry that pushes it, making it seem like a total sleazepit. Sure, you can find it if you search for it. But Khajuraho is really quite a pretty town, much more decent than Delhi, inexpensive, with amazingly pretty, well-maintained temples which a prude can visit without being embarrassed. Broadband cybercafes everywhere too. Not a bad place for a Delhi coder to migrate to in winter months for some heavy hacking. Maybe we should have a fosscamp there sometime? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] free vs paid operating systems
Shall we opt for linux as it is freely down loadable as there is a feeling among people that anything that is free is not genuine (not as good as something that commands a high price)? Troll bait? Maybe. In any case, here's a haiku to enclue Samal: Free can be useless. Some perceive Linux as worse but it is better. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
[Dinesh wrote] Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ). They really don't need education and information. Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will you accept. You can do educational stuff on a laptop. I don't think you're disputing that though really. Your point is about having reasonable living conditions in place first. Which is a good point, and one I've thought about carefully. I'd say the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer [1] effect is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for realizing the potential of kids. I reckon realizing the potential of kids can be achieved better by a laptop and connectivity than by books nowadays. The OLPC is no miracle device, and most underprivileged children will remain underprivileged, but an OLPC would be immensely helpful for those who have an innate urge to learn. Giving people Roti, Kapda and Makan (instead of a proper education) means you get people who will vote for you, but who will be less likely to get out of their underprivileged quagmire. Democracy doesn't work as well in illiterate/uneducated societies. PJ [1] Neil Stephenson's book, Diamond Age, describes how a girl initially at the dregs of society becomes socially mobile after getting educated by an illegal copy of an intelligent, interactive book - the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Which wi-fi PCI card?
Amit Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My vendor told me that D-Link's G510 which is 54 mbps is not supported by Linux instead G520 which is 108mbps is supported. Since i have Access Points of 54 mbps hence i would like to install 54mbps PCI cards only. Is my vendor correct in saying that Linux supports only 108 mbps PCI cards? I have a pci card from Nehru Place that I use as an AP: TP-link wn550g - runs on the well-supported atheros chipset at 54Mbps in Debian. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Load balancing with multiple ISPs
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Got myself a second Internet link (Airtel) yesterday and was fooling around trying to get traffic multiplexed over both the new and the existing (MTNL) links. It's working now, and on some applications I'm getting up to 512Kb/s speeds over my 2 256Kb/s connections. Have documented the process in a short document that explains what you need to do to load balance traffic over multiple Internet links: Kewl. After having waded through that sort of thing a while ago (dealing with glitchy multipath behaviour and other quirks, trying to modularize it to work with n uplinks etc), I would have suggested using pfsense for that sort of thing in future. Then Mary said ebox (http://www.ebox-platform.com/) is pretty much ready for real use. Bonus for you Raj: perl and mason front-ends. Hooray! (Well, anything will be better than my heroic abuse of webserving with bash shell scripts for a primitive version of that sort of functionality) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux User Group at IIT Delhi
Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IITs were the hotbeds of foss in the 1990s - nowadays it is very rare to find LUGs in any so-called elite institution. My experience shows that the most active LUGs are in private engineering colleges - usually those situated some distance outside the metros or in two tier cities. Interesting. Any idea why it has evolved that way? Any idea if it is the same in other countries? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ps and grep
Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Puneet == Puneet Lakhina puneet.lakhina at gmail.com writes: Puneet Hi, Puneet I have to frequently find the process ids of particular processes using a Puneet combination of ps and grep. You can try 'pidof'[1], if you're simply interested in find pid of a process :) [snipped] Puneet But I was wondering if there was a way for me to specify this in the regular Puneet expression for the first grep itself. Puneet I tried ps -elo pid,args|grep myprocess\\!(grep) The argument of grep is a regular expression (type 3 language), and there is no way you can do this in a type 3 language. Even 'grep' also matches 'grep' text when you pass '-v grep' argument to 'grep' command line, and then only outputs unmatched lines. Type 3 and all that: reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_language Makes my eyes glaze over. And ps output formats confuse me (see the man page if you want to make your eyes froth and bleed like in a horror movie). Puneet, with GNU ps what you're trying to do might be done by: ps -A | grep myprocess and if you really want to use the elo options (using that makes my GNU ps barf so I haven't tested it), then maybe stick [] around the first character in myprocess (ie, make it: [m]yprocess, see if that does the job): ps -elo pid,args | grep [m]yprocess I don't think there's a restriction on excluding the inclusion of grep in a grep based on it being type 3. YMMV PJ PS: pgrep, pkill, pidof (like others have said) may be handier for your needs. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Blip.tv vs Youtube licencing (was: [OT] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!)
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: uh huh! the reason am recommending you read the [youtube] EULA is because in effect, youtube gets to use your content for any commercial purpose it deems fit for itself and you can't do anything about it. here, read the fine print as explained on this reference site: [snip rest] Yup, so Youtube is free as in beer. That's a kind of freedom too. How does it compare with the ideas behind free as in freedom software? 1. The licencing of the content can be relicenced by Youtube - this is BSD licence-like. 2. The content cannot be redistributed when sourced from Youtube. It's not a totally despotic set of restrictions. The uploader grants a non-exclusive licence to Youtube, so it can be redistributed by the uploader to anyone he wants to pass it on to, including via P2P). So if the uploader's beautiful, Osho-nice naturescapes bliss out video becomes a background to a toilet paper advert, he can still give the video out to others via blip.tv or whatever - he just can't do it from Youtube. Effectively, the uploaders are like BSD software distributors, Youtube is like a proprietary content pusher helping itself to BSD licenced content, but it is not curtailing the uploader's freedom to keep providing the original content. The analogy is a bit lame, because content isn't software, and doesn't develop in the same way, but it's an ok way to get a grip on things. To become free as in freedom (by this I mean GPL-like - YMMV), Youtube would have to accept content that by default is like the Creative Commons Sharealike licence, ie, the corresponding fixes to the earlier restrictions would be: 1. the content cannot have its licence changed 2. the content, if publicly shared, is shared without restriction, except for the restriction of keeping the licence unchanged. Youtube, won't do that. Blip.tv makes that possible as an option - ie you can pick up stuff from blip.tv and others can redistribute it. Note: Blip.tv still allows people to make toilet paper ads from your magnum opus. That's freedom too in my view (though you can curtail it by choosing a suitable Creative Commons licence. Creative commons licences vary, and only some are really free as in freedom. But that's another can of worms). Anyway, probably a sensible way to distribute content would be for the uploader to put up some content on Youtube, and a superset of that content on blip.tv (and suggest on Youtube that people pick up the full content from blip.tv). Bottom line: if you want to help uphold the ideas behind free as in freedom, then, when distributing video content, use blip.tv in preference to youtube. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blip.tv vs Youtube licencing (was: [OT ] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Li nux graphic PC!)
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [SNIP] So if the uploader's beautiful, Osho-nice naturescapes bliss out video becomes a background to a toilet paper advert, he can still give the video out to others via blip.tv or whatever - he just can't do it from Youtube. HAHAHAHA! splendid anal-ogy... PJ, leading to sudden creative-commons and muft and mukt enlightenment. I thought I was just papering over the cracks in the argument. Butt enough. These innuendos are rearly scraping the bottom. [snip] Anyway, probably a sensible way to distribute content would be for the uploader to put up some content on Youtube, and a superset of that content on blip.tv (and suggest on Youtube that people pick up the full content from blip.tv). depends on the creativecommons-license. if i publish under a cc-by-nd-sa 3.0 license, or a cc-by-nd-nc 3.0 license, these automatically break the youtube EULA. The impression you give from this is that once you give your original content from your machine to youtube, then give the same original content from your machine to blip under those cc-* licences, you break the youtube EULA. That's not so. Even if the digital content is exactly the same, the youtube EULA is *not* broken by this. (On the other hand, for clarity: You would break the EULA if you sourced the content from youtube and then put it in blip under those CC-*s. Even if the digital content were exactly the same. I don't know if youtube adds its own bits to the content and locks it that way though). to take this discussion forward, PJ, see you at freed.in in february 2008. http://freed.in Yeah, maybe I'll manage to find your talk this time ;-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Raj others... Right now I need to go for a meeting, but I will answer each point if and when I get the chance... meanwhile, here's a rejoinder from me... [snip amazing and disjointed rant, tying in Modi, communism, religion in one breath with ILUG-D] Is this a troll? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] adobe flashplayer under linux with 2o7.net
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i noticed i had a cookie from 2o7.net. Yeah, that's like a TRP to collect data on you. The equivalent with google is google-analytics. If you're paranoid about the way google has morphed from simply being a search engine, to becoming the world's largest database on everyone and their goat, then you can block that with firefox's noscript plugin. How shall I violate your privacy? Let me count the ways PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:14:32 +0530, Shamail Tayyab [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is what i consider as flame wars. To which Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Err. I am not sure why you think so -- no one is going around attacking other people. You were certainly dripping with sarcasm though. Which was returned in kind: (does anyone think a novice user had a dream the night before he installed debain, to give installgui at the boot prompt) Ubuntu is more point-and-click, but for someone who likes non-bloat, Debian tends to be cleaner at the CLI level. Probably because Ubuntu is pretty much a snapshot of unstable Debian with a gui layer on top. It also means that ubuntu works better with newer stuff much of the time, but may not work too solidly. Debian on the other hand works less with newer stuff, but if it works, it tends to work pretty solidly. Specifically: I'd say etch is more user friendly on older hardware than gutsy. However ubuntu support structure is pretty damn good, catering to tards in a way that debian support channels wouldn't consider. Your mileage may vary. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] how to get latest created file
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ls -lr | tail -1 for time of last access. See ls -t, and ls -c for other times. And if you're interested in the dotfiles (the otherwise invisible ones) make it ls -lart (that sequence of letters is ez 2 rmmbr if u r l33t ;-)). PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Installing Linux on an External Hard Disk
Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip bit about laptop with MS windows] I have thought of a solution on which I want to get some views. I have spare USB External Hard disk lying around in my desk. So i thought maybe I can install Linux on this and boot from this USB drive when I want to use Linux. I would be really glad if anyone could point out the potential problems I might face with this sort of setup. You could use: QEMU/Puppy (http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/). Effectively using the usb flashdrive as the OS, and the hard disk as heavy storage. I'm tired of laptops nowadays. I reckon this is a good interim solution until commodity head up displays become ubiquitous. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Quick-and-Dirty Command line submission of form data
Here's a little piece on pulling PNR status from indian railways without getting pop-ups and ads in your face. http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/LinuxTricks Hint: You may find the information in there comes in useful for winning a prize during the Belzabar Quiz event of Freed 2007. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] irctc works with firefox/sarge
Hoorah! I booked some tickets yesterday and irctc.co.in worked just fine. regards PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] the internet - the ultimate backup?
Hah. Where's the Hall of Shame site (formerly at http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/Websites)? Plus I had a few notes on connecting with broadband over on that wiki. An-and-AND I had an article doing an analysis of Cablewallah internet connectivity up there, or somewhere similar which was easy to find with a net search. Oh, what sad times are these when we can't even rely on the internet for a backup of our pearls of wisdom! What's the recommended place to put up a useful article about the irctc site for linux users now? PJ PS: if anyone has kept a backup of the internet, please mail it to me on a floppy. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] the internet - the ultimate backup?
On Thursday 20 September 2007 12:44, PJ wrote: Hah. Where's the Hall of Shame site (formerly at http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/Websites)? Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sandip decided to stop maintaining that site and domain, and the documents there are not available any more to the best of my knowledge. Ah, but the waybackmachine has it: http://web.archive.org/web/20070110103057/http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/Websites shows the hall of shame on 10th Jan 2007 preserved for all of posterity. A little perl should be able to pull out the stuff there - not the attachments, I suppose, but certainly the html, which is what most or all of the content was. It could then be resurrected on the twiki wiki site. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to trace every activity in Linux box
Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about logging a developer's activity] You probably need to write a wrapper script which starts script[1] with $SHELL set to user's actual shell. And then install this wrapper script as user's shell. script command is part of BSD, and is available in Linux under util-linux package. The script process will trace every line printed on user's terminal, except curses stuff That rules out seeing what edits the user has done, which seems to defeat the original purpose. Also, the user has (and apparently needs) root. So only if you trust the user is the wrapper idea a solution. Sudo, as suggest earlier, looks like the simplest way. Maybe combined with script and a special editor wrapper. But the original poster will have to examine the situation more closely to see if it is appropriate. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] free alternatives to blackberry
On 8/8/07, PJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the Motorola A1200? (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/motorola-a1200-en.shtml) It's not too great Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are you saying.. At 12k it's the best Linux based phone readily available in India! Yeah, but is it better than the best non-linux phones in that price range? Probably not for non-linux types. But maybe excellent for people like us. The review link above is actually is from an experienced reviewer who is looking at it from a general user perspective, and he rates it as average. How good you rate it depends on what your needs are, and the components that go into your definition of best Anupam: At 12k it's the best Linux based phone readily available in India! Yup. The A1200 is probably cheapest at Subiksha. In a couple of years they'll be giving them away free in cornflakes boxes ;-) PJ: , and not too open Anupam: That unfortunately is true. I wonder if it violates the GPL. Very very unlikely. Companies like Motorola have a default policy of routing things past a competent legal department (ip rule add from phonecoders table legal-department ;-)) before allowing code out the door. I caught a glimpse of Raj's A1200 at the last lug meet. If I understood him correctly, then some of the driver modules are closed binaries. Which is OK under GPL, but sucky for if you want to play around with the software innards. Overall, I reckon that for now it's probably the best of the bunch for people keen on linux. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] free alternatives to blackberry
Kevin Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: die !), and additionnaly that model has no camera (I always dreamt about being able to take photos with my mobile !), and no keyboard (i mean, there is only a virtual keyboard). Any other suggestions ? Maybe the Motorola A1200? (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/motorola-a1200-en.shtml) It's not too great, and not too open (though much of the OS is GPLed). Depends what your needs are. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] MS submitting licenses for OSI approval
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you folks think of this? MS is planning to submit 2 licenses to the OSI for approval as Open Source licences. Tim O'Reilly has blogged about it: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/07/microsoft_to_su_1.html How lovely to see Bill Gates getting back to his open source roots. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Shiver me timbers!
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/jul2007/id20070725_504325.htm?campaign_id=yhoo Henry Chesbrough has an insightful look at why piracy is generally good for MS in India. I suspect most of the people on the mailing list knew it already, and see it as the main reason why linux has been relatively slow in taking off in India. But it is good to see mainstream media tackling something that seems counter- intuitive in an economically sound way. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Shiver me timbers!
Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: microsoft has a very clearly thought out strategy with regard to 'piracy' - hook em on the illegal stuff, and after they are hooked, get em to pay. Which is why they dont raid educational institutions, computer training institutes and private homes. MS spent a decade or so in China learning this lesson. I'm sure it is documented thoroughly inside the company. You get a glimpse of this sometimes, especially when Bill Gates himself says: It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134488/) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Skype Found Guilty of GPL Violations
Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If MTNL is not altering the software, they dont need to give any notice anywhere No. If they're officially distributing the adsl box to outside the company (whether or not as an official company product - it doesn't matter), then the GPL licence must be there. - or source for that matter. I thought a url to the source would be enough before this Skype case came up, but the court decided it wasn't enough. Maybe a real lawyer can step in here and explain this last bit. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Skype Found Guilty of GPL Violations
Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if MTNL has not modified the code in the modem, it is under no obligation to provide the source or the GPL text They have. But that's wandering off the original point. The point is that MTNL is obliged to provide the GPL licence and access to the source (if not the source itself) when they distribute the modem. This is true even if they have not modified the source. [If the GPL licence and access to the source was missing when it reached MTNL, then I'd expect MTNL to be obliged to stop providing the modems, or else they're helping the violators - but that is a separate case, and the liabilities they have would really have to be figured out by looking at the agreement they had with Starcom. And in practice, of course, by the time anything happens in the Indian justice system we will all probably be past caring. Nonetheless, the truth remains that MTNL has obligations to the GPL, and I expect would (eventually, after many wearying years) incur a penalty for neglecting them if dragged to court on this] PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Skype Found Guilty of GPL Violations
Lokesh Bhog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The decision found that Skype had violated the GPL by the way it distributed a voice over IP (VoIP) handset, the SMCWSKP100, which incorporates the GPL- covered Linux kernel in its firmware. Interesting. Come to think of it, this is the same way the MTNL adsl modems are in violation of the GPL. At least, I haven't seen any notice that says GPL source available for them on the MTNL website. The MTNL modem in the office for example runs a 2.6.8 linux kernel on a hardware spec of 235.52 bogomips/6MB ram. It'd be fun to hack away at it. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Skype Found Guilty of GPL Violations
On 7/27/07, PJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MTNL modem in the office for example runs a 2.6.8 linux kernel on a hardware spec of 235.52 bogomips/6MB ram. It'd be fun to hack away at it. Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which modem model number? Looking at it...this one is a small beige box with the MTNL logo on it. The model number is UT-300R2U, and it is made by a chinese outfit called UT Starcom. Maybe MTNL has a policy of handing this one out to corporates. The usual consumer models that MTNL hands out are, as noted elsewhere in this thread, D-link DSL 502T models. They run a 2.4.17 kernel (at least mine does) (see http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/ConfiguringNetwork/MTNL_broadband) D-link has a record of GPL violations. But they did get thoroughly spanked by a German court for it. (see http://www.jbb.de/judgment_dc_frankfurt_gpl.pdf). PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Wi-fi card for Debian Linux
Rajendra Bhargava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can some one advise a good wifi card pci for linux available in Delhi. Dunno about good yet, but I got a TP-link wn550g which runs on the well-supported atheros chipset at Nehru Place a few days ago. I'll be trying it out in a while. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Broadband Connection
PJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Make sure you have all WAN services disabled in Management-Access control- services to avoid this sort of abuse. Hmm. The web interface on the Dlink 502T has the option to restrict wan access, but it doesn't actually work (for mine, at least) 8-/ (doesn't work as in - click the options; apply them; save and reboot as suggested; see that the options are still checked - and then find that you can still telnet in from the internet to whatever public IP it has). This is all very subversive. It looks like the ISI has infiltrated MTNL. Or maybe it's the CIA. Or the Chinese with their cyberwar brigade. Or maybe they're all conspiring together. Fear not! We can thwart the evil foreign hand at work here with not just one, but two workarounds: 1. use iptables from CLI on the modem or 2. like Raj suggested, use the modem as an ethernet bridge. Be a true patriot and defend yourself for the sake of national security! PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M-earn makes your pockets jingle
Ravi Shanker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Admin, can you please look after such misuse of newsgrp. If you use the interface at http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi you can report it as spam ISO9002 attribute=buzzwordcomplianceon the same page. Use the synergy of web2.0 to offload a solution to achieve a win win paradigm thereby avoiding wasting the admin's core competency./ISO9002 PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Broadband Connection
Scanning MTNL's ip space, I noticed with a faint sense of horror that a script kiddie could DOS MTNL's service pretty thoroughly in the space of about half an hour, since most of MTNL's modems allow wan access and have a default username/password combination. Other details are then available, which will apparently allow a cracker to abuse the victim's account. Allegedly MTNL doesn't use caller ID as part of its authentication. If this is true (I find it hard to believe this), then MTNL is being inexcusably negligent. Of course, MTNL doesn't have much incentive to stop this, since they just pass the bill on to users (and if the user doesn't have an unlimited account, too bad). If this is not true, then the crackers who are using cracked accounts are likely being naive idiots. So another tip for users is: Make sure you have all WAN services disabled in Management-Access control- services to avoid this sort of abuse. regards PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Broadband Connection
Parijat Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am planning to install broadband (yep, there still are people who don't have broadband at home) and am wondering which ISP provides the best service. Have a look through http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/ConfiguringNetwork/ regards PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Perfect Replacement For MP3 (Stanley Thomas' blog)
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but alas, i don't know of a single personal or stereo or other oggplayer hardware available in india. I did some shopping in Nehru Place recently. Some of the creative muvos have vorbis. There are a couple of others. But yeah, most players don't support ogg. They support stuff like wma or aac, but ogg is a lower priority for some reason I haven't figure out. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
