Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)
On Sunday 10 April 2005 02:25 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: JR wrote: On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: JR wrote: I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals. His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to give him his dream machine! Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the adapter on other computers? Other OSs? snip Hi Mikkel, Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it though Kind regards, Jarlath Try logging in as root, and running drakconf. Select mouse, and then serial mouse. It will help if you know the mouse type, and the port it is connected to. Just remember: Windows Linux COM 1= /dev/ttyS0 COM 2= /dev/ttyS1 COM 3= /dev/ttyS2 COM 4= /dev/ttyS3 Mikkel Mikkel, thanks a million. That did the trick. Selecting from the serial mice worked. I would not have been able to fix that without your help. Thank you again, Jarlath. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Poor graphics driver
After installing mandrake 10.1 O on a friends pc, I've noticed that his graphics preformance is a little poor. Its a little noticable when moving windows - very noticable when playing mpeg / wmv etc. Is there anything that can be done to improve this? The specs are below. Identification Vendor: S3 Inc. Description: 86c368 [Trio 3D/2X] Media class: DISPLAY_VGA Connection Bus: PCI Bus PCI #: 1 PCI device #: 0 PCI function #: 0 Vendor ID: 21299 Device ID: 35347 Sub vendor ID: 65535 Sub device ID: 65535 Misc Module: Card:S3 86C368 (Trio3D/2X) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)
On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: JR wrote: I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals. His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to give him his dream machine! Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the adapter on other computers? Other OSs? snip Hi Mikkel, Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it though Kind regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)
On Saturday 09 April 2005 03:09 pm, JR wrote: On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: JR wrote: I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals. His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to give him his dream machine! Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the adapter on other computers? Other OSs? snip Hi Mikkel, Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it though Kind regards, Jarlath I've just learned that harddrake has detected a SBLive joystick. There is no joystick so I think it is really the mouse. It is filed under 'Unknown/other' in harddrake. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)
I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals. His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to give him his dream machine! Thanks in advance, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] win modem Lucent...!!!
On Thursday 07 April 2005 05:55 pm, Domingo Abrego wrote: hi, i am using a winmodem on my computer for windows, is that possible to use that same modem for linux, mandrake community edition v.10 ?... i did some reseaches about win modems and linux and what i read in all this websites is that it is not possible!!! but i found a driver for LTwinmodem (lucent winmodems) for linux.. in the driverguide webpage, is that possible... and maybe the main question is how do i install this driver on my system.? People have successfully gotten their Lucent winmodems working on linux. Personally, I found it so difficult that I just bought a cheap serial modem (external). This option requires no software installation of anykind, and I dont think there was any configuration involved either. It's guaranteed to work. The choice is yours. I prefered to part with EUR 50 rather than try to get the modem working. Good luck! Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [ml] [newbie] Which kernel?
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:38 am, Cameron MacDonald wrote: Now I feel even sillierI remembered uname but forgot the switch!! For any command you dont know the switches for (but you do know the command), just type 'uname - -help'. Replacing 'uname' with whatever command is torturing you at that moment in time :) Regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandriva
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:45 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote: It seems our favourite distro is going to change its name snip That would be a pity, I always thought Mandrake was a great name. And the two suggested ones are awful (maybe it's my Irish accent?). Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview
I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. One of the minor requirements would be skills with MS word and excel. I was thinking of using this as an opportunity to say but I've also started to use OOo more often because I find I am more productive and it does x y z. Can anyone give me a few differences / similarities they might be interested in? I'm not going to get into open source to them at the interview. But if I can quickly mention a few tangible clenchers, I will. The jobs not that good anyway :) Regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] skype file transfer causes IP address loss
Whenever I transmit a large file (~20MB) over skype, the transmission stalls and I get kicked off my network. I have to restart the wireless lan, then restart the network service on my machine. Has anyone else had this problem? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] network install
I have a desktop and a laptop on a network. I want to install mandrake on the desktop. My mandrake installation disk is a DVD. The desktop does not have a DVD drive, but the laptop does. So, I'm trying to use the laptop to 'server' the DVD to the desktop. Can someone help me here? I can find no documentation on ftpd. I installed the drakwizard.but the ftp option keeps failing, and the 'installation server' option, I don't understand. If I could even just ftp serve the /mnt/dvd drive then I think it would work. I have make a boot cd for the desktop with the network install option, all I need is a properly configured server. I dont have enough bandwidth remaining to download the CD's. Regard, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Games recommendation
On Monday 21 March 2005 10:08 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: Hi folks, snip Do you have any recommendation on games that can relieve our stress level? Thanks :) I love airstrike. Their still working on it but the version released at the moment is playable against another player or the computer. It's based on 'bip' (bi-plane). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.
On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:59 pm, Tom wrote: OTOH, you didn't say if you need a SMP (more than one processor), a Hi-Mem (1 gig of ram or more), or any other special requirements. snip Tom, Thanks a lot. I have a fairly standard laptop setup, so I think the standard kernel you linked will be fine. Holler back if you want to compile, it's really fairly simple. If it goes belly up, I will take you up on your offer! Thanks again, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.
After installing the mandrake package for kernel 2.6.11, the only problem seems to be the network. I get this error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unholy]# service network start Setting network parameters: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1: driverloader device eth1 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization. [FAILED] driverloader is a service that loads the drivers for my pcmcia network card. I installed it when I was using the old kernel so maybe the new kernel needs to be made aware of it's presence. But I dont know how to do that. Thanks for listening, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.
If a new kernel is out in a repository (official or unofficial) you can install through urpmi or anyway Could anyone tell me where I can find such a repository? I've followed the kernel upgrade / install instructions at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi#Installing_a_new_kernel but the 'updates' repository doesnt have anything newer than 2.6.8. I'd like 2.6.10 / 2.6.11 Cheers, Ja Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] urpmi --fuzzy downloads without asking!
when I do urpmi --fuzzy package, it sometimes downloads the package anyway, without giving me a choice. Am I misunderstanding this switch? I expected to be asked regardless how many similar packages there were (even if there was only one) Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] shortcut keys
In KDE, many programs use the Win+[key] combo so they can be controlled even when not in focus. However, the Win key is used to bring up the root menu, which overrides these shortcuts. Is the only solution to unregister the Win key for the root menu? Thanks, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] amaroK 1.2 final
I compiled this package with debug off, but if you really want to get to the bottom of this, I could make you a special package with debug on and then help you run it from within gdb so the devs can get a proper backtrace on your problem. Let me know if you want to do that. Thanks Greg, From reading up on the net, I followed someones advice of going to the last entry in the collection_scan.log. This was an mp3, but it was only 54K, and contained less than one second of audio. I deleted this and performed the scan with no problems. Amarok is (almost) perfect again, but if my installling the 'debug on' version is of any use to you or the developers, I'm happy to help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] amaroK 1.2 final
On Thursday 17 February 2005 08:14 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: On February 13, 2005 12:29 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: For anyone that have been using my beta packages of amaroK, I have test packages up for 1.2 final. I have been testing all morning, and everything seems good, but before 1.2 final is officially announced by the amaroK team, they would like to see the packages tested more. Since I am the only Mandrake user on the amaroK project, I am appealing to the expert and newbie lists for a few brave souls who will test these packages. Greg, Thanks for packaging these. As with every version of Amarok I have tried, creating a collection causes the program to crash midway through the process. I have reported it, but it has been reported in the past and marded as 'fixed'. Another suggestion was that the problem lay with taglib, and that an upgrade would fix it - but it didn't help in my case. Anyone else having that problem? Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] amaroK 1.2 final
The guys that developed it have created a really cool app that IMHO runs rings around anything else that currently exists. I think so too. The streamed music is great if you want to hear something different. I havent listened to music on the radio in ages! I used to use a combination of players eg. xmms / kaffeine / mplayer. Now I only use Amarok (for audio). There is some talk of making amaroK support video playback and I am not in favor of that. amaroK shouldn't become an operating system, it should be the best audio player it can be. I agree totally. Projects that take this route generally fall down between two stools satisfying nobody really, and eventually being replaced with individual specialized apps. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mandrake and amd 64
I'm considering getting an AMD64 laptop. I understand that it is backwards compatible with 32 bit.But if I install only 32 bit applications via urpmi, will I even benefit from a 64 bit processor? I have decided not to go for pentium-M / centrino as I will not be very mobile. This is primarily a desktop replacement. I am aware of the extra memory possibilites of 64 bit, but I'm just wondering if there is any point in getting this technology when the software at the moment is still geared towards 32 bit? Thanks, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
Would someone clarify this for me please? If you use Reply but change the subject, you are hijacking. Does this mean if you change the 'subject' field, or the topic of the thread? Reading it, it would seem to mean the former. But common sense tells me the latter. I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :) Thanks, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
If you use Reply to get up a form, then erase the subject and type in something different, you are hijacking. If you use View Headers All Headers on this message you will see a line that starts with 'References;' . Since your message has the ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] that will be in the line. In other words, my answer to you is connected by thread. When you hijack, your 'new subject' retains that thread connection. This makes for difficulties: Thanks, thats the area I wasn't clear on. I thought the mails were only threaded on the subject, hence a change of subject wouldnt cause a problem. 1) The thread becomes fragmented and difficult to follow. 2) Many people follow or ignore a thread according to their own interests and time available. If the original thread was being ignored by the person best able to help you he will not see it. I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :) Asking *is* common sense. I hope it's clearer now ;-) It is indeed. Thanks again Anne. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette
Since you are running KMail, you can easily set up threading from the Folder tool. (You'll have to do it on a folder-by-folder basis.) Then select (KMail) Configure / Appearance and check the box Open threads that contain snip Thanks cmg, I followed your steps. It actually turns out they are the default settings in my case, so I didnt have to do anything - but it's good to know. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???
On Saturday 29 January 2005 04:40 am, teguh wrote: Hi all, I have some questions and do need your help since I'm really,really,really new in Linux. 1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface loopback eth0 FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean? and how to fix it? This means a network or internet connection could not be established - or possibly that your network card is not present. Someone might have a more accurate definition for you. 2. And on the taskbar (at the bottom right) there's an orange circle telling network downblahblah...blah(don't remember exactly!!). can anyone tell me what happened with my computer? I use Mandrake 10.0; KDE 3.2 This is as a result of the former/ 3. what is the command to install or to upgrade using console?For example, i have MySQL 4.0.18 in my comp now and want to be upgraded to MySQL 4.0.21. does this group have archives about Linux commands? On any rpm based system, you can just download that package from the mysql website and install it. The command would be: rpm -Uhv newer-package.rpm But mandrake also has a great set of tools called 'urmp' that would be even easier - as long as the packages in the repository are as up to date as you need. If you want more detail on any of these, just shout. Regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What is happening with XFree86.
On Friday 28 January 2005 06:20 am, Mike Chalmers wrote: I had a couple of questions about XFree86 and was hoping that someone could answer them. -What is happening? -Are they still open source? -Is it that they are not dealing with major distibutions anymore? All I know is that it is the distributions that are not dealing with them, as opposed to the other way around. XFree86 changed it's licence to be a little more restrictive, and the GNU / open source advocates didn't like it. I'm sure if you visit their website, you can view the licence. Xorg is being maintained by former XFree programmers and then some, who were unhappy with the progress and direction of XFree. Many features such as windows transparency and DRI were actually coded, but couldn't get included in the main project for some reason. Since all that code was waiting in the wings, Xorg is going in leaps and bounds. Regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Easiest way to transfer files from lin to win?
I need to transfer about 15GB of data from my linux laptop to a windows laptop. We will both be on the same wireless network, but I dont actually know anything about file transfer on linux or windows! Are there any quick pointers someone can give me to look into? Thanks, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote: There should be no problem. The lady in question is a computer newbie. She will most likely want to use email and word-processing initially, so there should be absolutely no issue, since all such programs are standard on Mandrake at no extra charge. Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of infection, re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me. I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates, when to turn on and off autoprotect etc. I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied by a cup of tea and a chat. There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in 2006. cheers Duncan snip I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame. Regards, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting
I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to all who helped. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:15 am, Angus Auld wrote: - Original Message - From: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:42:12 -0500 On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote: There should be no problem. The lady in question is a computer newbie. She will most likely want to use email and word-processing initially, so there should be absolutely no issue, since all such programs are standard on Mandrake at no extra charge. Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of infection, re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me. I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates, when to turn on and off autoprotect etc. I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied by a cup of tea and a chat. There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in 2006. cheers Duncan snip I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame. Regards, Jarlath As far as wireless goes, it definitely depends on what sort of wireless nic you have. I have a Dell Inspiron with a Broadcom wireless card, and I came just sort of smashing it to bits out of utter and complete frustration trying to get that thing to connect under Mandrake 10.1. 8| The Broadcom ethernet card on the other hand, was a snap to set up. I tried both ndiswrapper and Linuxants driverloader with the wireless.no joy in Mudville at all. I agree with your decisions to use as few MS programs as possible, and to set her up a dual-boot. Dual-booting is what I had to settle with, and now I can go wireless if need be, albeit with MS, and I can stick with my beloved Mandrake most of the time by plugging in to the internet. My decision to buy this Dell, with it's linux un-friendly Broadcom wireless card, is just one of those little learning experiences that comes along once in a while. ;-) Too soon old and too late smart comes to mind. Best regards to you. --Angus Thanks Angus, I managed to get my USR wireless pcmcia card working fine on a dell I4000. Linuxant.com allow you to upload the windows driver on your CD, and in return they give you a linux driver - if they have it. Finally, configuration was a nightmare at first, but this guy sorted out everything in a few posts. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=threadid=260990highlight=final+step+wifi Regards, Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:05 am, Rick Kunath wrote: On Saturday 22 January 2005 03:42 pm, JR wrote: I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame. Coming in at the end of this thread, some of this may have been commented on earlier... I did exactly as you did with my wife's laptop. In Windows I installed Firefox with a bunch of excellent extensions , and Thunderbird. After I described some of the extensions and let her experiment with how much better browsing is with Firefox, it became the browser of choice. Thunderbird does email nicely, and the switch was painless. I've a bunch of machines here that dual-boot, so I began having her walk through the Windows update procedures on them while I watched. The idea was to get her familiar with the pain that updating Windows is. Once she became familiar with the browsing and email programs on Windows, I had her boot into Mandrake and begin using the programs there. I did show her Kmail, which she prefers to T-Bird. Once she got over the double-click madness of Windows and learned how to single-click, everything went smoothly. All of my machines run so much faster under Mandrake than they do under Windows with all of the protection apps running, that it was really noticable to her. A bit later I showed her how to update Mandrake using MCC, and she never fails to comment at how easy keeping her machine up to date is. (I go over the updates usually yet on one of the machines, but she happily offers to update the other Mandrake machines, and does a fine job.) Soon, she'll be on her own. I've used a few wireless cards under 10.0 and 10.1 and earlier releases. Orinoco and Avaya cards (all cards 802.11b) worked fine, as did Prism 2.5 cards and IBM's mini-PCI based Prism cards. I haven't done anything with g yet. I don't know if anyone mentioned yet, but Mandrake has Mandrake Move available, a CD-ROM based distro that runs without installing anything on the computer, and one of the versions will support a USB memory stick, so your values , passwords, and configuration can be saved across boots. You could experiment with Linux without installing it, if all of your hardware is supported under the limited set of supported hardware of Move. It isn't as sweet as a real install, but it is non-intrusive. I've used lilo as a boot loader for years without issues on my dual-boot machines here. One thing you may want to look at is getting a recovery disk set for the new laptop. That way, should something go wrong, at least you'll be able to restore the original setup. I always get them for machines I have, and had to use them but once, for a non-Linux related issue. Rick Kunath Thanks for that Rick, The main thing stopping me now is the fact that it is quite difficult to intergrate Firefox with KDE. I'm still having konqueror come up as default at times and I've tried using the script suggested on various sites, but they dont work properly for some reason. I can script a little and program a lot so I'm not computer illiterate - I feel this is a genuine stumbling block. Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:24 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 22 January 2005 22:00, JR wrote: I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to all who helped. Jarlath Out of curiosity : did you compile it yourself or install a rpm ? As far as I can see, there's only rpms for RedHat ? Kaj Haulrich. I used the rpms. They work fine on mdk10.1 Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
On Saturday 22 January 2005 12:33 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 03:02, JR wrote: My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8 Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on. I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working, but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to teach her - so my questions really are snip I've been reading the thread with interest. I agree with most posters that there is little technical problem. People who are not M$-addicted can take to Mandrake with little problem. I do feel quite strongly, though, that there is an ethical problem. I would not under any circumstances install Linux without the permission of the owner. Forgive me if I have misunderstood you, but I got the impression that you were thinking of doing that. Anne Hi Anne, She basically wants me to do whatever make life easiest for her. She has seen linux on my laptop and when she turned on her new pc, she had applications screaming at her like ferral children, asking for her to register this and update that... I've tried to explain Linux vs Windows to her, but it's meaningless to her. I actually think she would find Mandrake easier to use, but when you have to consider interoperation with Windows users - I'm not really sure what to do. At the moment, I've installed firefox / tbird and I've set them as the defaults. I've also installed openofffice and done the same. If I do put linux on, it will be a boot option. I will put an icon on her linux desktop to make windows default next time just in case. I'm still pondering though. Thanks for the input, I appreciate it, Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting
On Friday 21 January 2005 03:08 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 23:14, Charles Lee Ying wrote: The package urpmi selected was simply called oooqs. However, I remember I also updated kaffeine (and hence xine libs). So I assume there is a conflict. I have just tried installing from the generic installer at openoffice.org but the setup program will not run properly. I get the progress bar but thats it. as far as I've googled, your best bet is to remove oooqs before you do anything else. I guess you wanted a faster startup on OO, but I guess a working OO is better than your current situation. James' suggestion of increasing the memory available to OOo (in Options, I think) seems to have quite an impact on startup speed without any other problems. Anne Thanks folks. I have removed oooq but I still have the problem. I uninstalled, deleted the settings and reinstalled and I still have the problem. I'm stumped. -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8 Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on. I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working, but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to teach her - so my questions really are 1) On windows, wireless networks in the vicinity are auto-detected so you can connect to them. Can this be done easily under linux? She will be quite mobile. 2) Is it fair to leave a linux AND computer newbie alone with linux in the world of windows when you dont have time to explain how to use what you've set up? I dont mean to insult the woman but she literally knows nothing bar how to use the mouse and type in a word processor. 3) Do I really want to spend my first free weekend in ages installing linux again! Thank you for listening ( - Fraiser Craine) Jarath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
On Friday 21 January 2005 05:12 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 21 January 2005 10:02 pm, JR wrote: My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8 Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on. I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working, but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to teach her - so my questions really are 1) On windows, wireless networks in the vicinity are auto-detected so you can connect to them. Can this be done easily under linux? She will be quite mobile. Depends on the wireless nic, but my cisco card is pretty good about connecting to open networks. I was at my brothers house a few weeks ago, and instead of wiring up through his cable modem, I just used his neighbors DSL line ;) 2) Is it fair to leave a linux AND computer newbie alone with linux in the world of windows when you dont have time to explain how to use what you've set up? I dont mean to insult the woman but she literally knows nothing bar how to use the mouse and type in a word processor. No, I don't think it is fair. It maybe okay if a person is open to change, but my experience with people like this is that they are not able to deal with the change. They simply want everything to be the same. IMO, there is a greater than 90% chance that she will be mad. 3) Do I really want to spend my first free weekend in ages installing linux again! I wouldn't :) Thanks for that Greg. I think I'll settle for a happy medium. Use firefox as the webbrowser, thunderbird for mail and openoffice for wordprocessing. Ill wait till the new MSOffice 'lookalike' comes out. 'Cross-eyed drunk in the night club with the cheapest admission' it is so! Regards, Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting
On Tuesday 18 January 2005 07:09 pm, Charles Lee Ying wrote: JR wrote: On Monday 17 January 2005 05:59 pm, Charles Lee Ying wrote: JR wrote: OpenOffice will no longer run since I installed the quickstart program via urpm. Running any of the OO apps from the command line results in a Segfault. Uninstalling it did not help. I removed the entire OO package / libs and reinstalled to no effect. Can anyone help? Jarlath there is also a directory created in your home folder .openoffice which I think contains settings for openOffice. Delete that as well before you do any re-installs charles Thanks Charles, I tried this too. But after reinstalling again, I have the same problem. Jarlath my apologies if I'm going to make you repeat yourself, could you tell me what are the quickstart programs you installed? charles The package urpmi selected was simply called oooqs. However, I remember I also updated kaffeine (and hence xine libs). So I assume there is a conflict. I have just tried installing from the generic installer at openoffice.org but the setup program will not run properly. I get the progress bar but thats it. Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting
On Monday 17 January 2005 05:59 pm, Charles Lee Ying wrote: JR wrote: OpenOffice will no longer run since I installed the quickstart program via urpm. Running any of the OO apps from the command line results in a Segfault. Uninstalling it did not help. I removed the entire OO package / libs and reinstalled to no effect. Can anyone help? Jarlath there is also a directory created in your home folder .openoffice which I think contains settings for openOffice. Delete that as well before you do any re-installs charles Thanks Charles, I tried this too. But after reinstalling again, I have the same problem. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] openoffice segfaulting
OpenOffice will no longer run since I installed the quickstart program via urpm. Running any of the OO apps from the command line results in a Segfault. Uninstalling it did not help. I removed the entire OO package / libs and reinstalled to no effect. Can anyone help? Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] postgresql problems
I'm trying to install Cubit which requires postgresql. But I keep getting this error: psql: FATAL: IDENT authentication failed for user pguser when I type psql -U pguser I've googled on the error and made changes to pg_ident.conf and pg_hba.conf as suggested but I still get the error, even thought I restarted the service. I also followed this howto: HOWTO use the PostgreSQL server in few steps by Christian Belisle [EMAIL PROTECTED] This file is included with the Mandrake PostgreSQL's packages. After you installed the packages, here is the procedure to start quickly but nicely. 1- Become root user on your machine. (su) 2- Become postgres user. (su postgres) 3- Create a user (createuser) 4- Be sure that the postmaster is running (service postgresql status) 5- Logout from the postgres and the root account. 6- Test it. (psql -U [username]) I'm actually surprised at how difficult this is to setup. Or more accurately, I'm surprised at how hard it is to get the info. Thanks folks, Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] guide-blender in english?
The guide-blender package installed by urpmi is in french. I've also checked here http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/21/year/2004/month/04/day/22 and it seems that they are all french here too. Is there an english version? Sorry, but I dont know which source urpmi installed from. It was either from the 10.1 Official updates, jpackage, plf, contrib or main sources. Cheers, Jarlath -- Copyrighting allows people to benefit from their labours, but software patents allow the companies with the largest legal departments to benefit from everyone else's work. Andrew Brown, The Guardian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] winmodems
I would also like to encourage you to go the ethernet route (no pun intended) for adsl. You are guaranteed it will work and more people will be able to help you if you run into a problem. And as already pointed out, drivers are not required. Jarlath On Tuesday 11 January 2005 05:08 am, linuxgirlie wrote: I agree get a router, and if you have more than one computer get a 4 port. Though be careful what they say on the boxes, our dsl router broke, so we went out to buy one, and ended up with something you put between your modem and your computer, the box said asdl router, but it wasn't that. Second time lucky and it works perfectly...funny enough that also said adsl router on the box!!! Jo On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:54:04 +, Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 11 January 2005 05:59, Ana Paula Samodossi wrote: Ok guys, I ll buy my hardware modem next month. I ll keep away from usb ones (thanks John!), but what about adsl modems?? On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:44:15 -0800, Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, I wish I would follow my own advice 8) I dont know why but this sounds so familiar... Yuck. There are some USB ADSL modems that will work with Linux such as the Alcatel SpeedTouch. But the bad news is that they rely on proprietary drivers and like all proprietary drivers there is no guarantee that they will be maintained in the future and will work with all kernels. If you have the choice I would strongly recommend getting an Ethernet connected single port ADSL modem/router. The price is much the same as a USB ADSL modem, and it will not need any driver at all. Just an Ethernet port on your computer. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] RE: nVidia
On Monday 10 January 2005 08:41 am, Lorin Jenny Pino wrote: - Original Message - From: Hugh Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:10 AM Subject: FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia I have recently had a lot of trouble with an nvidia card - I think the problem has been with the card, not the linux drivers. However one think I have observed is the dissatisfaction with nvidia on their linux site. I have noticed the same with matrox (the other card manufacturer I have dealt with) but the ATI site seems to be quite positive. I don know if anyone else has any first hand experiance with the card manufacturers, but from my observation of their web sites, I am tempted to go ATI next time I need a card my 2 cents worth... Hugh I am experimenting with linux an a machine with an ATI Radeon 9000. I have had no problems with it using Mandrake 10.1, Suse 9.2, or FC 3. Whatever that is worth from a newbie! ~Lorin Could any notebook users post their experiences with 3D accelleration also? Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Ideal camera connectivity
I'm wondering which option is best to connect to my laptop to a digital camera (which hasnt been chosen yet). I thought that if I got one that supported mass storage, then it would be as simple as mounting my mp3 player. But someone else reccommended getting one that uses CF / SD cards and getting a pcmcia card reader for the laptop. Has anyone any suggestions? I'm a little confused. I expect there will be some difficulty trying to connect the camera via usb, but the pcmcia option might be just as difficult in itself. Thanks, Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Ideal camera connectivity
On Sunday 09 January 2005 04:45 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Any camera that uses the USB Mass Storage protocol is absolutely the way to go. Stay away (far-far away) from any other protocol. USB Mass Storage will be recognized as any other usb drive when you plug the camera into your Linux box, and probably you will get an icon popping up for it on the desktop. But i case you end up with one like mine, i have some easy scripts that, now that i have used them for awhile, i actually prefer. I don't use any photo album software: i just organize them myself. Then i use gqview (or maybe xnview) to view them. The other feature i never used was deleting individual pics from the camera, so keep that in mind. It works out very well (for me). eric Thanks folks. I cant find a pcmcia reader that does both cf and sd so I think I'll go for mass storage. Thanks for all the advice. Much better than the sales assistant! Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] pdf editing
This seems to be the best non-Adobe solution. http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209from=rss Adobe has release a brand new beta version of their pdf editor. I dont have a link but they have a linux version too for the first time. Jarlath On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:15 am, Martin Hardie wrote: Hi All I want to copy from pdf files ... i recall that in Abode Acrobat I could do this sometimes but with KGhostView I cannot at all. Are there and pdf programs out there that let me copy and paste into other formats or is there a way to save as into another format? I see that I can download a linux version of acrobat but if i can get around that it would be nice. The list of Pdf programs on urpmi goes like this (it might help someone recognise one that is useful) LePatriarche-pdf docbook-utils-pdf fax2pdf gcc-doc-pdf gcc3.3-doc-pdf gcc4.0-doc-pdf glibc-doc-pdf gpdf kdegraphics-kpdf kernel-doc-pdf libcpdf2 libcpdf2-devel libcpdf2-static-devel libpdf1 libpdf1-devel libpdf1-static-devel patriarche-pdf pdftk pdftohtml php-pdf ppdfilt tetex-dvipdfm xpdf Thanks Martin the riddle which man must solve, he can only solve in being, in being what he is and not something else http://auskadi.tk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] acpi / upgrade kernel
On Friday 07 January 2005 09:19 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 08 January 2005 12:39 am, JR wrote: Greg, thanks. I've just downloaded them and I ran the kde laptop battery program. I tried standby, suspend and hibernate. The screen goes to console with a message saying that it is performing the appropriate action. But then it returns to the desktop. Couple things Is your swap partition big enough to handle a suspend operation, for instance, suspend won't work if you have 512MB memory and 384MB swap. Yes it is. I had the horrors that it mightn't when you said that though :) Some laptops don't really follow the acpi standard, so suspend and stanby really don't work properly. cpufreqd is another app that works with acpi to slow down your processor when it is on battery or idle. I get this [EMAIL PROTECTED] unholy]# service cpufreq start Probing cpufreq modules : [FAILED] And the klaptopbattery is not shown in the system tray, even though that option is checked in the config for the application. Hmmm. It is working here. Did you do service acpid start after installing the new packages? I'm sorry, the icon changes when you connect the mains and I thought the icon dissapeared. Check in teh MCC/System/Services that they are set to run at boot. You also need to check dmesg after rebooting to check that acpi was enabled at boot, if dmesg reports that it was disabled due to some reason, then using the acpi=force option will make it load. dmesg just says that cpufreq will be deprecated from 2.6.8 but aside from that no other messages so I guess it works? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] acpi / upgrade kernel
Can anyone tell me how to get acpi working? Or failing that, to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.10? I've tried setting the kernel boot options to acpi=on and 'noapic' but I still dont have acpi TIA Ja. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] acpi / upgrade kernel
Greg, thanks. I've just downloaded them and I ran the kde laptop battery program. I tried standby, suspend and hibernate. The screen goes to console with a message saying that it is performing the appropriate action. But then it returns to the desktop. And the klaptopbattery is not shown in the system tray, even though that option is checked in the config for the application. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde
I've gone into KDE-configure desktop - components - file associations - html, and added /home/unholy/firefox-installer/firefox as the executable. Now when I click a link from anywhere, firefox is lauched - but only if another firefox instance isn't already running. If firefox is already running, I get the bouncing icon for a few seconds and then nothing. Any ideas folks? Jarlath
Re: [newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde
I only noticed this now, but oddly, the script works when called with no arguments, and no previous instance. With a previous instance I get the message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] firefox-installer]$ ./launcheme.sh /home/unholy/firefox-installer/mozilla-xremote-client: error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory On Monday 03 January 2005 03:55 pm, Paul wrote: Op Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:19:20 -0500 schreef JR: Now when I click a link from anywhere, firefox is lauched - but only if another firefox instance isn't already running. If firefox is already running, I get the bouncing icon for a few seconds and then nothing. There is a trick to it in shape of a script: browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox Fox=firefox Client=mozilla-xremote-client if [ ${1:0:1} = / ] then url=file://$@ else url=$@ fi if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab) else $browserPath$Fox $url fi exit Save this script and tell your system to use the script instead of launching firefox directly. Good luck Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde
Hi Paul, Thanks for replying, but that didnt work I'm afraid. The results were the same. I had firefox located in /home/unholy/firefox-installer so I changed the path in the script and it didn't work. Actually it didnt work regardless of whether or not there was a previous instance of the program Regards, Jarlath On Monday 03 January 2005 03:55 pm, Paul wrote: Op Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:19:20 -0500 schreef JR: Now when I click a link from anywhere, firefox is lauched - but only if another firefox instance isn't already running. If firefox is already running, I get the bouncing icon for a few seconds and then nothing. There is a trick to it in shape of a script: browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox Fox=firefox Client=mozilla-xremote-client if [ ${1:0:1} = / ] then url=file://$@ else url=$@ fi if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab) else $browserPath$Fox $url fi exit Save this script and tell your system to use the script instead of launching firefox directly. Good luck Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde
Ok, this is the file as I have it at the moment browserPath=/home/unholy/firefox-installer/ Fox=firefox Client=mozilla-xremote-client if [ ${1:0:1} = / ] then url=file://$@ else url=$@ fi if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab) else $browserPath$Fox $url fi exit I still get the same results unfortunately. On Monday 03 January 2005 05:31 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 01:55 pm, Paul wrote: browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox Fox=firefox Client=mozilla-xremote-client if [ ${1:0:1} = / ] then url=file://$@ else url=$@ fi if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab) else $browserPath$Fox $url fi exit The browserPath is missing a terminating /, it should be: browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox/ For mozilla I have a more complex invoker named 'mozilla-session': #!/bin/sh if /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote ping() then if [ $1 = ] then /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote xfeDoCommand(openBrowser) else /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote openURL($1,new-tab) fi else /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla $@ fi exit 0 (Sorry for the hard coded paths, I didn't expect to share it). This opens links given on the command line as a new tab, starts a session if none was running and starts a new browser window if a session is already started and nothing is on the command line. Now if I could just get rid of the blinky when starting from KDE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 08:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. Anne I wish my mother in law used linux :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne Thanks Anne, I actually put mandrake 9.2 on their pc when it came out but I didnt really take a 'holistic' approach to it as I was a newbie myself. She had never used a computer in her life so the dual boot thing was too confusing for her - she she couldnt understand what an operating system was, let alone why she needed two. She was also taking classes which focused on ms software. At that stage in her learning even openoffice wasnt familiar enogh for her. She had to follow pictures in the manual showing the ms office menus. Mounting of floppy disks was also a serious setback. It might have been fixable but floppies had to be mounted from the console. Also the kids had lots of pc games. I hadnt heard of crossover at the time. So they ended up ignoring linux. And constantly booting into windows. But you are right, it is easy to make a user of another OS comfortable in linux, when you know what you're doing. Pairing that with remote administration would be perfect I think, which is the next thing I'd like to get into. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Virus Program seems to be missing vital component.
Hi Graham, I have yet to install clam av, but I just wanted to point out that the viruses being detected are most likely windows viruses that would pass through a linux system without being able to cause any harm. The reason clam av detects these is because linux is often used as a mail server which often has windows clients. Hope you get your problem resolved, and happy new year! JR On Saturday 01 January 2005 09:11 am, Graham Watkins wrote: Hi Y'all and a happy new year, My first crisis of the year began this morning. I finally got round to installing clam anti virus and Klamav. My first scan brought up about half a dozen worms hiding out in my mailboxes. I quarantined the mail files which cost me all the mail I had stored on mozilla. Before deleting the files, I imported them into evolution which I do not use for downloading mail - dangerous? Possibly, but I wanted to be able to clean it up using Klamav which purports to use a program called klammail to quarantine infected mails. However, I cannot set it up to filter the mail in evolution because the klammail program does not seem to exist anywhere on my system. Anyone know anything about this? It seems a rather urgent situation as I, like so many others here, had assumed that linux was more or less immune to this sort of thing and finding this lot came as a bit of a shock. Is it possible to get klammail to weed out the suspect mails or should I just bite the bullet and delete the lot? Cheers, Graham Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Virus Program seems to be missing vital component.
I found a variation of SCO.A here http://www.stacken.kth.se/lists/best-forestry/2004-01/msg00157.html it's referenced as Worm.SCO.A Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Wireless Lan Help Needed
I started here http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/?PHPSESSID=18e687352446352cb52c97cc5b1b5b3e to find a driver for my wireless lan card. The final steps on configuration were beyond me and a user graciously helped me through it at this link http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=threadid=260990highlight=final+step+wifi Theres quite a bit of reading and work to do between those two links which will keep you busy for a while, but hopefully they'll sort you out. HTH Jarlath On Saturday 01 January 2005 06:33 pm, BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Let me start by wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR and I hope your year is prosperous. I have been using Mandrake 10.0 in my home office on a Linksys LAN(hardware is Linksys router and Hub) with no problems. I also have a Linksys 802.11 wireless card and access point that I now want to get up and running on my laptop. I have gone to there web site and they (Linksys) do not offer any drivers for the wireless card. What do I need to do get my wireless connection up and running. FYI- I have gone thru the Mandrake hardware installation and do not have a clue about which driver I need. Please advise. Thanks in Advance, B.J. Tracy Registered Linux User 364157 http://counter.li.org _ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilize Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi problem
I'm no guru, but did you try urpmi.update -a first? I had to do this just yesterday to get a package. Jarlath On Thursday 30 December 2004 08:59 am, eric jackson wrote: Hi, I just installed 10.1 Official. When I finished I set up some sites to use with urpmi and I did an update. Urpmi was updated in the process. Since that time I have been unable to get urpmi --auto-select -auto to work. Yesterday after I entered that command the computer never gave me the prompt back even after 6 hours. Anybody know how I can straighten this out? Thanks for your help! Eric Jackson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] HP scanner config problems
I'm trying to configure the hp hps 1110 all-in-one. I carried out the vague instructions here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=forumid=2threadid=157111 but still xsane doesnt detect it. I'm only interested in the scanner. Thanks for listening! Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HP scanner config problems
Thanks folks, When I went to the mandrake control center, the hpoj service wasnt started. It said to run /etc/init.d/hpoj setup as root. I did and it sorted it out, xsane now runs. Thanks again, JR On Monday 27 December 2004 07:01 pm, RickSisler wrote: JR ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm trying to configure the hp hps 1110 all-in-one. I carried out the vague instructions here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=forumid=2threa did=157111 but still xsane doesnt detect it. I'm only interested in the scanner. Thanks for listening! Jarlath Bookmark this reference for http://www.linuxprinting.org/ Here's some more information on your printer: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1110 It seems you may need the SANE backends for scanning .. HTH Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Webcam Advice!
Hi Ricardo, First of all, welcome to webcam hell. I'm kidding - but the biggest problem you will have is with hardware. Mandrake has a compatability page listing various hardware. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/hardware.php3 Then, if you decide to go with gnome meeting, you will need to install video4linux at the backend. The webcam I have is not compatible and I couldn't be bothered getting another so I fell at the first hurdle - but I imagine if you get a compatible camera you'll be fine. HTH JR On Monday 27 December 2004 01:13 am, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: I´ve never thought of using a webcam but, now I need to install 2! One for mdk 9.2 and one for mdk.10.0 Official. Any hints on brands and software? I´ve heard of Gnomemeeting... Any ideas? TIA Ricardo Castanho Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Quickbooks on wine
Thankyou for your suggestions John, Anne and Ed. I do know that as he is a sole trader, a payroll feature is not required. However his computer skills are quite limited, and he is old so he doesnt (or 'can't' to use his own words) learn a new system. He had to be taught to use Quickbooks. I will try using crossover office as Ed suggested. I will also demo Quasar and Cubit Accounting to him and see what he thinks. His system is crippled with what can only be a trojan or a virus I suppose. He has a firewall and Norton Antivirus and something still keeps messing with his internet connection so he is understandably quite frustrated. I hope to provide him with a linux alternative which he will find easier to use and perhaps tell his friends to try. Thankyou all again, JR On Sunday 26 December 2004 12:47 am, John Zoetebier wrote: JR wrote: Has anyone tried Quickbooks on wine or crossover? It's the only thing stopping my mates buisness from switching. Theres noting on the web about it. I know it would probably install fine, but I really want to know if it will 'work'. I dont know enough about the package to test it myself unfortunately. Happy holidays. Did he ever try Quasar from http://www.linuxcanada.com ? It is more reliable than Quickbooks and has everything a small business user needs. One user license is free of charge. I have used Quasar now for over 2 years and never encountered a single problem. Something I cannot say of QuickBooks. A GPL version is in the make. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Changing desktop
Typing 'kde' or 'kdm' should work. As far as I remember. You probably didnt click the box to have the graphical server start at boot when you installed. HTH On Friday 24 December 2004 09:19 pm, George N. Conover wrote: I just installed Mandrake 10.1 and I can't get KDE to come up. How do I change the Desktops from the command line? I want to try GNOME. George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Quickbooks on wine
Has anyone tried Quickbooks on wine or crossover? It's the only thing stopping my mates buisness from switching. Theres noting on the web about it. I know it would probably install fine, but I really want to know if it will 'work'. I dont know enough about the package to test it myself unfortunately. Happy holidays. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to uninstall packages?
On Saturday 25 December 2004 01:22 pm, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi, and happy holidays to all the listers. 1) Suppose I copied the file 'mypackage.tar.gz' into the ~/tmp directory and within that directory I did: $ tar xzvf mypackage.tar.gz $ cd mypackage' $ ./configure' $ make # make install in order to install the 'mypackage' package. How can I uninstall it, 1a) if the dir ~/tmp/mypackage is still there?; 1b) if the dir ~/tmp/mypackage was removed after the installation? Either way, in the case of source installation, you need the tar archive and in the directory type make uninstall (as root) 2) Suppose I copied the file 'mypackage.rpm' into the ~/tmp directory and within that directory I did: # rpm -i mypackage.rpm (is that correct?) in order to install the 'mypackage' package. How can I uninstall it, 2a) if the file mypackage.rpm is still there in the ~/tmp directory?; 2b) if the file mypackage.rpm was removed after the installation? You dont need the rpm file to uninstall. Just do rpm -e theprogramToRemove Thanks in advance for any replies, and excuse such basic (and maybe silly) questions. Rodolfo P.S.: Are '# rpm -i mypackage.rpm' and '# urpmi mypackage.rpm' equivalent or what's the difference between the two? rpm is a tool for managing rpms. But urpmi is a wrapper which adds even more fuctionality. However its not true to say that it is better. Urpm actually searches known sources for the rpm to save you looking. With rpm, you have to have it ready to rock. Happy hols. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to uninstall packages?
On Saturday 25 December 2004 02:10 pm, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Thanks JR, thanks Mikkel: one more question: will 'rpm -e' work also if I installed the package with urpmi? Cheers, Rodolfo Good question. urpmi ultimately installs the rpms on your system using rpm itslef. So it should. JR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] ISO Downloads
I just downloaded Mandrake 9 ISOs from mirror.aca.oakland.edu The first image, Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso, after I burn it to a CD (Using Nero 5.5), does not boot, and I cannot see any files on it in windows as I can on the other two (Discs 23). I am using Nero 5.5 with a Philips 8x4x32 CDRW Drive (CD4800 I think). I tried booting on my laptops CD-ROM drive (QSR SDR-081 DVD ROM) and my desktops (Creative DVD-ROM DVD1241E) to no avail. My computers are set in the BIOS to boot from CD-ROM first. Any suggestions? Besides downloading from another server? Thanx craig
RE: [newbie] ISO Downloads
Title: RE: [newbie] ISO Downloads I did burn it as an image. I started downloading another image, it has about 20 mins left. I will have to see how it works. Thanx, craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Myers, Dennis R NWO Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:37 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] ISO Downloads -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Deline Jr Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] ISO Downloads I just downloaded Mandrake 9 ISO's from mirror.aca.oakland.edu The first image, Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso, after I burn it to a CD (Using Nero 5.5), does not boot, and I cannot see any files on it in windows as I can on the other two (Disc's 23). I am using Nero 5.5 with a Philips 8x4x32 CDRW Drive (CD4800 I think). I tried booting on my laptop's CD-ROM drive (QSR SDR-081 DVD ROM) and my desktop's (Creative DVD-ROM DVD1241E) to no avail. My computers are set in the BIOS to boot from CD-ROM first. Any suggestions? Besides downloading from another server? Thanx craig Sounds like an often made mistake, you copied the file and did not make an image from iso. Nero should have a tool that says make image from iso on the tool bar somewhere. I don't use Nero so may be wrong. Anybody else familiar with it? HTH Dennis M.
[newbie] 9.0 problem with shorewall and internet connection sharing
I just got done installing 9.0 for my home network. Im running a simple home network. I am using a standard 10/100 nic for my network. I am using a Cisco PCI 350 aironet 802.11b card for my broadband internet connection. I use to run mandrake 8.2 with no problems. I did a clean install of 9.0 and have not been able to get internet sharing to work. Prior to configuring ics under network and internet settings in mandrake control center, I could access the internet on my 9.0 box. After configuring ics i loose all internet access. After fiddling with it for a while I noticed that when I enabled ics that shorewall is installed and that the gui interface for firewall under mandrake control center shows that all setting or ports are blocked. The funny thing about it is that when i disable all firewall settings under mandrake contol center my ics is now disabled. It does it on its own. I have tried many things and have not had any luck. I'm pretty much a newbie to linux so I have not tried to manually adjust anything yet. I thought I would look for some help first with the mailing list. Any help appreciated Thanks, Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Up2Date
is therea similiar program in mandrake that will update my entire cpu. like in redhat 7.2 Kenneth Spress[EMAIL PROTECTED]==This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because,you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketersrequesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept mysincerest apologies and reply with "remove" in the subject field.I will remove your name immediately!==Registered user #252546 with the Linux CounterGet Your Box Countedhttp://counter.li.orgListen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at:http://www.alternacast.comEZHelp, You More Show Infohttp://learn.at/ezhelphttp://www.kenspress.net AIM: keniswhoiamYahoo: kspressMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 19870108
[newbie] Windows 2000 and Mandrake 8.2 / 9.0
I want to create a dual boot system for my machine and have Windows 2000 SP3 and Mandrake 8.2 or 9.0 installed also what is going to be the easiest way to do it? Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with remove in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp http://www.kenspress.net AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] TV Tunner Cards
Yes it is.. I have the ATI TV Tuner Card in PCI and it works just fine Kenneth Spress[EMAIL PROTECTED]==This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because,you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketersrequesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept mysincerest apologies and reply with "remove" in the subject field.I will remove your name immediately!==Registered user #252546 with the Linux CounterGet Your Box Countedhttp://counter.li.orgListen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at:http://www.alternacast.comEZHelp, You More Show Infohttp://learn.at/ezhelphttp://www.kenspress.net AIM: keniswhoiamYahoo: kspressMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 19870108 - Original Message - From: Phillip scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: [newbie] TV Tunner Cards Is it posible to use a tunner card made for Windoze 98 in MD 8.2? Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
[newbie] dell inspiron 8100 with ATI Mobility Radeon 7500
I'm having troubles installing mandrake 8.2 on my dell laptop (dell inspiron 8100 with ATI Mobility Radeon 7500) When I get to the point of setting up my graphics card for xfree the display goes black when testing. I have tried both the 3d support set up and 2d support set up Any info appreciated Thanks, Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
I recommend not dual booting XP and Mandrake.. You have to remember Microsoft is not too friendly.. I had a hard enough time with Windows ME and Mandrake 8.2 Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with remove in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 - Original Message - From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP I've been looking all over for info about dual booting M 8.2 and windows XP. The different stuff I've found doesn't seem very consistent. Can anyone help me out or point me to a good tutorial? Thanks, SW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB Interface failed
I am thinking maybe a USB to PS2 Adapter might be a good idea until you get the mandrake USB Fixed.. but I do not use USB.. so.. Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with remove in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 - Original Message - From: Metamorphysical [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: [newbie] USB Interface failed I just recently booted into linux and while it is checking things it comes up saying this now Failed to load USB Interface (usb-ohci) Haven't changed anything. Unfortunately my mouse runs from the usb port. Should I look up a log file somewheres to find out what happened? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgradeing to 9.0 beta
IMO.. I think doing a clean fresh install would be the better way to go.. :) Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with remove in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mandrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: [newbie] upgradeing to 9.0 beta I ask about the bugs in the beta then had to leave town for a few days but did have time to wonder since I,m useing 8.2 can I do a upgrade booting from the CD-ROM are is it better to do a clean install. JOE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE 3.0
How do i download the new version of KDE and install it in Mandrake 8.2? Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with remove in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Newbie and Confused! :)
I have mandrake 8.2 and I am attempting to install KDE 3.0x and Update the Kernel can some send me a message on ICQ # 19870108 and give me links and stuff i can look at that will help me I am trying to build a contact list of ICQ users that can all interact if we have problems I am a novice user :) Kenneth Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This is not a spam! Your are receiving this email either because, you have sent me an email in the past, or you are on a list of marketers requesting information. If this is not the case, PLEASE accept my sincerest apologies and reply with remove in the subject field. I will remove your name immediately! == Registered user #252546 with the Linux Counter Get Your Box Counted http://counter.li.org Listen to us every Sunday at 11:00 am EST at: http://www.alternacast.com EZHelp, You More Show Info http://learn.at/ezhelp AIM: keniswhoiam Yahoo: kspress MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 19870108 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:20, you wrote: Well not wanting to beat my own drum but anyone who say's that Linux is not ready for the desktop needs to relook at it . Case in point my wife of 22 years now age 44 had 2 strokes that paralyzed her left side and hurt her mental capabilities as well . I have been gradually weaning her away from windows for about 6 months now and she has very little problems with Linux . Now considering that she has some short term memory loss and some long term memory loss I think that say's bundles for the ease of use of Mandrake. Balance that against that against the fact that she had used windows for about 6 years prior to this with numerous problems with it both pre stroke and post stroke (2 Strokes back to back in Dec of 1998 ) She love it and its ease of use. I on the otherhand am still learning everyday and get myself into more trouble than if I'd just stick with the basic Mandrake setup, Being a tinkerer of sorts I'm inclined to play to my deteriment on occassion and Thanks to the many willing and Knowledgeable Penguins out here in Newbie land ( Civilme, Sridhar, Tom, and yes even Femme, as well as many more of you ) I'm able to fix most of my Foulups and bloopers. By the way I'm also a lurker and 9 times out of 10 someone must be psychic as one of you usually address the problem with a solution before I get to ask for help. Try that with windows and see if you get the same results. On the unfortunate side there are still a few programs that we still have to depend on before I can be totally windows free ( please hurry Quicken, So Now Your Cooking, Family tree , and Vehicle Records Systems.) . With that said I agree with Miark as to the fact it is ready now .Now off my Stump and back into the quiet existence again I go. Hank Wangle SSGT Usmc(retired) Because linux will never be a desktop OS for the masses IMO. Requires too much tech knowledge and most just want their machine to work. Shrugs, My opinion. I know its come a long way but its still got a longer way to go yet. I couldn't disagree more. Gnome and KDE are every bit as powerful as Winsux (more, really), and just as easy (well, KDE, anyway). This was true of my own conversion (a computer-literate chap), and for my wife (a computer-illiterate lass). I'd say Linux is ready for the desktop right now! Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?
On Friday 03 May 2002 23:53, you wrote: Normally I lurk but this time I have to Say a Well Said along with a Amen to that . I Bend but I do not break to eventually spring back with much force Unidentified French Underground Fighter. There is a war going on to deemphasize the individualism and the heroism that characterized times in our recent past. Some years ago, for instance, a man (bystander) saw a young woman being victimized by a bunch of gang members; probably on her way to being raped, injured, and worse. He single handedly took on the scumballs, and IF memory serves I believe he rescued the lady and ended up running the gang off, probably saving her life. I can't remember if he actually killed any of those criminals or not, but the gist of it was that the state ended up taking the good samaritan to court because they stated that it was the job of the police to protect the citizens and not he. Further.the crime rate of any country has been shown to statistically increase when the law abiding populace is disarmed, yet still the liberals continue to slide laws in that push defensive weapons out of the hands of the law abiding public. There's only one purpose that this could serve, and a reasonable person must assume that the instigators are aware of that purpose. See the book: More Guns, Less Crime : Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.).) by John R., Jr. Lott In California, registration leads to confiscation. Even worse, in Massachusets for example, if you are attacked in your own home by an intruder, by law you cannot defend yourself; you are *required* to run away. By state law. If you do defend yourself and injure the intruder you risk ending up in jail yourself. My question is, how in the hell did those laws get passed in front of the public eye? Fortunately in the state of North Carolina we are still allowed to kill home intruders if we can convince a jury that we were in fear of our lives (or those of our loved ones) at the time that the home intrusion took place. Most everyone I know is armed for home defense and has adequate defense measures in place accordingly. Other states have better gun laws than this state (read: less restrictive on law abiding tax paying citizens), such as Texas, Tennessee, and a few others I can't remember. I sound like I'm ranting here, but as I intimated before, the tapestry of this situation is quite large; and it all ties in together. I just focus here on some of the more vital and important problems; such as your recourse if a terrorist/criminal breaks into your family home and puts your wife/kids in mortal danger. For those peeps in the US, if you haven't already, I suggest that you take a careful look at your local/state laws. The bottom line is that all this stuff ties in together at some juncture. The liberal NEA, the teacher's union, the liberal gun control laws, the liberal media that supports Palestine instead of the Israeli democracy (CNN, the commie news network), the DMCA, the choke hold on our information sources, the practice of being taught what to think instead of how to think in our public schools, the erosion of public ethical standards, and finally the lack of personal individual rights that we are beginning to suffer at the hands of the RIAA, MicroShaft, Senator Hollings of South Carolina, Hollywood and others. Our individual rights and identities are being legistlated out of existence via financial might and it happens to be a liberal movement. Bush has nominated over 100 justices to the Supreme Court bench and the Democrats have only let 50 or so of them through. This is kind of like me pretending to hide while I slap your face, then I laugh about it in front of you because I don't think you're smart enough to know I slapped you. If that makes any sense. I will say this, though. From what I've been hearing lately, the Jewish people that *were* democrats in the US have of late publicly revolted; therefore they indeed have seen the light. This is a big deal for the democrats, because of course the Jewish folk are by and large quite affluent; that of course means a big dent in that financial might that I spoke of earlier. Funny.right after that word went up, either today or yesterday the Dems stated openly their support of Israel (wether by law or by speech I am not sure, i was out of town today), thus at long suffering last giving the Israelis what is rightly theirs, NAMELY a carte blanc to handle terrorists in their region AS THEY SEE FIT. How does this apply to our computer rights? Well, for one thing it shows that the voter power in our nation IS STILL INTACT. That means that if we wanted toI mean IF WE REALLY WANTED TO, we could easily back the Electronic Frontier Foundation to the point that the DMCA and the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television act would be nothing
[newbie] Ta foda
será q alguém de bom senso desta lista pode me dizetr como sair? não posso mais ficar apagando 200 mails por dia e não tenho tempo pra isto. vou começar a apelar com msgs indesejadas se não me tirarem daki. fui. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] recovering files after formatting
Hi I have mistakenly formatted a partition with some important data while installing Mandrake 8.2. The partition is still there with same size etc. Any chance I can recover the data? Thanks P.J. Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr Departamento de Estatistica Universidade Federal do Parana' Caixa Postal 19.081 CEP 81.531-990 Curitiba, PR - Brasil e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maths.lancs.ac.uk/~ribeiro (english) http://www.est.ufpr.br/~ribeiro (portugues) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] test
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[newbie] I'm Locked Out!
I just installed the new and improved Mandrake 8.2. It was harder to get my DSL up than with the 8.1. I've only been running Linux for about three weeks. I like the CDRom icons, but there is one problem. My Floppy, and my two CDRoms are locked. Even to super user. I thought it was a permission problem, but I can't get in. What should I do. By the way, thanks for answering my questions without flaming the heck out of me. I guess I'm used to some ruff newsgroups. Thanks, Don Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all
Guy, Arkansas USA Presently 40F slightly cloudy, Tomorrow just wait it will change Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Uptime in e-mail sig
On Friday 01 February 2002 12:12,(Johnson, David, typed: How do people get their current uptime info into their e-mail signature? --- Friday 01 February 2002 -- 13:49 68degF cloudy Here is a piece of a message I ripped from Tom to do mine with David... . Tom Said: You can create a text file and 'chmod -x' it to run any suitable executable, eg, /usr/bin/uptime. I do this with kmail by making my sig executable and placing /usr/games/fortune in it as the last line. So while it probly varies with email clients, it should be easy to do. my sig: echo Tom Brinkman _ South Texas, USA_ echo /usr/games/fortune here is my complete executable file in /home/olly/sigprog ... #this is a ollymade sig file for e-mail echo Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and echo 2.4.3-20 mdk Kmail 2.1.1 echo ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram echo /usr/games/fortune echo /usr/bin/uptime ... just put the path to this script in your kmail... here is the result ...neat huh? pay attention to (echo) Ps...I did not have anything to do with Johnsons law...it came from fortune just as it is grin -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and 2.4.3-20 mdk Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram Johnson's law: Systems resemble the organizations that create them. 2:01pm up 4 days, 1:04, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] VMware newsgroup
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 13:43, Marcia typed: Dear All, I have been trying to set up my Knode with the vmware email newsgroup and I must be doing something wrong. Whenever I try to send or receive mail it says there is an error- cannot resolve hostname or something like that. Could anyone help me set up the vmware newsgroup? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I have LM8.1 and want to install the vmware 2.04 , but I have not been able to do so yet. I am hoping to get some answers from the newsgroup since I have not been able to make it work with the suggestions offered here so far. Thanks for all of your help. Wednesday 30 January 2002--14:52 I dial in with KPPP Marcia, and when I have a connection to my ISP running...I use other programs . sometimes when I trigger a line in KNODE without being connected to the ISP it gives me the same message...so no line in will cause it to do that ., my netnews server does not require a login or password...perhaps yours does? Do you have netnews set up in netscape navigator? can you get to it from there? Last night I set up SLRNPULL to snag newsgroups from the same server and put them on a local /var/spool then read them with SLRN. At the moment I have netnews all over the place grin all from the KPPP connection. make a check to see if your server requires authentication...? luck -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and 2.4.3-20 mdk Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram This process can check if this value is zero, and if it is, it does something child-like. -- Forbes Burkowski, CS 454, University of Washington 3:10pm up 2 days, 2:13, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Disk Managers
On Monday 14 January 2002 11:38, Larry typed: clipped When I first installed MaxBlast, I allowed it to partition the drive. When I tried to install Linux the disk partitioning software got confused and trashed the whole partition table. I thought that perhaps Linux didn't like the way MaxBlast created the partitions so I used a Win98 boot disk and fdisk to create the two Windows partitions. Tried to install Linux again today and still get the LIL thing. --- 2002-01-14 17:13 Larry, I do not have the expertise to explain this in a valid technical manner...but I have went through the same drill...and discovered this. you do not need the maxblast software for Linux...Linux addresses the disc differently... get rid of the maxblast put the MS system below the bios cutoff point as long as the bios can reach linux boot ,Linux will read the rest of the 20G . I have no overlay program and use the whole 20Glinux will see it microsoft will not. If you need more details, fire me a mail ..I cannot explain the methods used by the two systems but I can make it work. -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram Windows NT: Only 64 megs needed to play Minesweeper! 5:24pm up 3:22, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Has our list-server gotX-MAS hiccups ? 2nd try
I donno..perhaps I still have a mail problem? I posted this 24hrs ago and it went to the bit bucket in the sky? this is a test repost..olly P #c0; text-decoration: none; }Re: [newbie] Has our list-server got X-MAS hiccups ? (Oliver L. Plaine Jr, Tue Dec 25 11:42:12 2001) On Tuesday 25 December 2001 07:13, Kaj was quoting his friend. Have you ever come across this before. As of a day or two ago, I can no longer post to the newbie list on Mandrake. My emails are constantly being returned as errors. I called my ISP and asked them to look into the matter. I can receive email from the list, so I am still subscribed to it. I am including the latest error message from my ISP if it'll help. I can also send and receive email from everyone else in my address book, but not 'to' the 'Newbie' list! I even tried using my wifes machine to post to the list, still nothing. -- Tue Dec 25 11:23:34 2001 61degF and cloudy Happy holidays Y'all I had this problem just last week...I could not post to newbie , although I could receive OK...and I could not resub as the MDK server refused to accept anything from me Other people in my address book received my messages OK it seemed but then I discovered that anyone on AOL was not getting them either. My problem turned out to beas I was fooling with Kmail I misspelled worldnet in the from line as wroldnet but the reply to address was spelled correctly. most ISP's do not check to see if a sender uses a valid addressbut evidently AOL and newbie does? as they rejected my messages.I suppose that is a anti spam thing? double check those spellings, I overlooked that one a dozen times...also look for a random period that you finger may have put in by itself? like the tester once said (paraphrased)those tiny viruses get their sharp little claws into my keyboard -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram 11:37am up 58 min, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Has our list-server got X-MAS hiccups ?
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 07:13, Kaj typed: Have you ever come across this before. As of a day or two ago, I can no longer post to the newbie list on Mandrake. My emails are constantly being returned as errors. I called my ISP and asked them to look into the matter. I can receive email from the list, so I am still subscribed to it. I am including the latest error message from my ISP if it'll help. I can also send and receive email from everyone else in my address book, but not 'to' the 'Newbie' list! I even tried using my wifes machine to post to the list, still nothing. -- Tue Dec 25 11:23:34 2001 61degF and cloudy Happy holidays Y'all I had this problem just last week...I could not post to newbie , although I could receive OK...and I could not resub as the MDK server refused to accept anything from me Other people in my address book received my messages OK it seemed but then I discovered that anyone on AOL was not getting them either. My problem turned out to beas I was fooling with Kmail I misspelled worldnet in the from line as wroldnet but the reply to address was spelled correctly. most ISP's do not check to see if a sender uses a valid addressbut evidently AOL and newbie does? as they rejected my messages.I suppose that is a anti spam thing? double check those spellings, I overlooked that one a dozen times...also look for a random period that you finger may have put in by itself? like the tester once said (paraphrased)those tiny viruses get their sharp little claws into my keyboard -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram 11:37am up 58 min, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 22:53, Ricky Parks typed: Hi, I am new to this mail listing, I don't really think this mail listing is going to help me but I though I would try any ways. I have been having some trouble getting my sound card and my network browsing to work. I am writting this from windows since I can get my e-mail working ether. I wanted to ask a question too. I heard of this program called wine. Can it realy let me play games like star craft on linux? Well I hope this listing helps me make the big step from windows to linux! Thanks all :) - Tue Dec 25 22:22:11 2001 Yep Ricky...I am positive this list can and will help you...it is the best source of information I have found ,and is populated with the most knowledgable people (the actual users of this operating system). In order to get help though, there are some things you must dotake each problem one at a time, and read all you can find about that specific thingthen attempt to accomplish the task. when you run astray. post to this list with a specific question...including the information needed to understand what you are working with...version, program, what trouble you are having...what hardware you are trying to run it on...etc Only then can anyone look into the crystal ball and help. I cannot address wine as I don't use it...but some like it... don't give up...this stuff will work. good luck. -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram I don't know who my grandfather was; I am much more concerned to know what his grandson will be. -- Abraham Lincoln 10:35pm up 2:02, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] docking apps dissappear
On Sunday 23 December 2001 09:28, Tom Brinkman typed: Olly, I don't know what's causing your problem, but have you tried enabling all the options on Kppp's Setup | Misc tab. That's how I have it and Kppp docks into the panel, and a R-clk on it's all that's needed for disconnect. -- Sun Dec 23 15:36:50 2001 Thanks for the response Tom...I tried all the KPPP tab settings but when I set it to dock to panel on connect instead of docking it disappears? a while back when discussing this problem with you I began to realize that it is not a case of a missing application. as I have discovered that anything that is scheduled to dock..vanishes instead? Kmoon , tea timer etc. so whatever enables the docking is defective...maybe? I do have the clock on the panel and Kmixer...but I don't understand the difference in the way they are put there..which makes it hard to troubleshoot. when I was running MDK 7.2 it did work as you say and I had the modem lights on the panelbut with MDK 8.0 it is not working... type 'xdpyinfo' and under number of extensions: you'll see all the functions your video card is capable of. ie, you may or may not see RENDER. RENDER is a function of XFree86 and your hardware, and AFAIK, while it's needed for anti-aliased font display, I doubt it has anything to do with your Kppp docking problem it says number of extensions 20 and lists them, ...alas RENDER is not amongst the flock I threw that in because it was the only error message that I could findand thought it might be implicated as the culprit? I'm sure you are correct...I was just wishing. grin. I was planning to get another KPPP but now that I know that Kmoon and other docking are affected ,I doubt that that would be logical...I don't know where to investigate at this time? Thanks for your help Tom and happy holidays -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body. This means that only left handed people are in their right mind. 4:02pm up 1:15, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] docking apps dissappear
Subsequent to my installation of MDK 8.0,, whenever I check the box in KPPP to dock the application, instead of docking as it did in MDK 7.2 it just disappears? although the connection remains operable ...in order to shut it down ,I must kill the PID. I checked some other KDE dockable apps (teatimer and kmoon) both of which never appear from the menubut show a running PID in the system. I tried to innitiate them from a terminal and I get this error. [olly@localhost olly]$ kmoon Xlib: extension RENDER missing on display :0.0. - Assuming this is the cause? does it mean I don't have some component installed? everything else seems to function OK would there be an RPM with this render extension? ORis it a matter of editing some init file to allow render to render? I don't have a clue for a direction to pursue the problem, or attempt to render a solution ..8-).. and would appreciate someone giving me a little advice. gratefully yours -- Olly P. Biloxi Mississippi Linux MDK 8.0 and Kmail 2.1.1 ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element of faith. - Paul Tillich, German theologian and historian 12:37am up 9:30, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ISA sound PCI modem and IRQ4
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:59:54 -0600, you wrote: you could try setting that in your bios. In your bios under advanced pci configuration pci/pnp isa resource exclusion, change: irq 5 used by isa from NO to Yes. hth, -s -- 31Oct01 1518hrs Ct Your suggestion S, was of course perfect. I once knew that 8-)...thanks for reteaching me. and...it wasn't a MDK linux related problem, both of which seem to indicate my 60yr old mind is beginning to soften embarrassed Grin My gratitude to the gentleman named S -- Olly P RV Char 257 Biloxi Mississippi Mailed W98 via Forte Agent mailer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ISA sound PCI modem and IRQ4
30Oct01 1617hrs Ct Hello My ATX Plll 600, with a Asus CUBX MB has a Crystal isa sound card and a Zoom PCI Modem. Both of these worked in MDK 7.2 With the PNP turned off in the bios, W98 detects sound on IRQ5 and the modem on IRQ4...in this configuration the hardware functions nicely. In MDK8 both are assigned IRQ4...in conflict.How can I convince Linux to use IRQ5 for the sound card? I need some command similar to setserial that will assign IRQ's? setirq 8-). Is there a way to change this? or should I sell the PC and buy a gameboy?8-) thanks for any suggestions -- Olly P RV Char 257 Biloxi Mississippi Mailed W98 via Forte Agent mailer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.
On Monday 29 October 2001 08:25 pm, you wrote: And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed properly. Not cop out with uncertainty. I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever consider switching to Linux. == You missunderstood me again I made that point to indicate that if the web becomes IE only (can anyone deny that that is what M$ want?) people won't have the choice,,, I don't actually care if people want to use linux or not... I care that people have the choice to use whatever they want. What they want, and what they can do are two separate things. Controlling the WORLD wide web would be significantly harder than their attempts to control the OS market. If the US fails to stop them, the European Union, Australia, Asia, and other regions get their crack at them. The Internet will not stand to be controlled by Microsoft. There are too many people running Linux. Macs, Amigas, ect. for this to happen. The WORST that will happen is that third party browsers will have to learn how parse Microsoft's proprietary web code. Afterall, Star Office can read Word documents. In fact, if it weren't for Linux, the government's case against Microsoft might have come sooner -- John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.
On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote: Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles. (I may make a note of that in the warning.) It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw attention to themselves. Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there isn't much in it. Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster. There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I can dig some up. IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it doesn't support Java applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps the support, other wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports stuff that wc3 don't. IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4. I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then, would a message be in order. Though make sure you point out that Opera has the same problem. I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that its not our choice of browser and detailing some reasons why. Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of harassment. You are making a political statement when you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're taking. You are entitled to place a best viewed with text at the bottom of your page because I realize there's always going to be one browser that looks a little better than another, but to state that you won't even try and make your page viewable to roughly two thirds of the web population is ridiculous. This is about giving people a choice. This is why I'm upset as MS. It's not about herding people into a certain direction by using scare tactics. I haven't heard much in the way of truth from you *OR* them. We need to do something like this, we can't be underhanded about it like them, but we can't afford to sit by while they carry on.. Do something about WHAT? I think the peanut gallery has spoken on the MSN.com scandel. Everybody agrees it was universally stupid of them and that they were full of crap. MSN.com still looks fine in Mozilla 0.95 as of five minutes ago. who knows, if M$ .NET takes off, we may one day end up in a situation where nothing not IE will be able to browse any .NET supporting site... Until that day comes, stick with the facts Do you think they wouldn't do that if they could get away with it This is very serious,, I really believe something like this is a good way of educating people... The truth always prevales, but only if people hear it. Then start telling the truth. -- John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.
On Monday 29 October 2001 05:41 pm, you wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:45:52 -0800, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote: Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles. (I may make a note of that in the warning.) It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw attention to themselves. Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there isn't much in it. Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster. There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I can dig some up. What do you mean by MUCH faster? If you mean time to execute, then you are correct, because most of IE executes at bootup whether you want it or not. If you talking about page rendering speed (which IMHO is far more important), then Mozilla blows everything else out of the water. I find the page rendering speed in MZ 0.95 to be roughly comparible to IE 5.5, while the startup time is somewhere in the order of 4-5 times slower. If Browser.com is to be believed, the page rendering of Netscape 6 (which uses Gecko engine), is still less than that of IE 5.5. http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227883-8-3607741-3.html?tag=st.sw. 3227883-8-3607741-1.DIR.3227883-8-3607741-3 Note that Mozilla isn't 1.0 yet - there is a good chance that it has not been fully optimised yet, and that it has the potential to be _much_ faster.' I won't agrue against that. Though I'm skeptical 1.0 will benefit from a perfomance boost. I'll bet money that performance won't be addressed to any real degree until revision 2.0. The current trend seems to be focused on piling on the features (bloat). MZ is a fine browser and worthy of the Netscape legacy, but it needs a lot of tweeking. Personally, I would like to see a feature-freeze initiated after 1.0 so that what they already have can be refined. They also should consider bringing the memory footprint down. IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it doesn't support Java applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps the support, other wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports stuff that wc3 don't. IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4. You'll never know that for sure unless you do some _real_ tests. My definition of a real test is to connect with a variety of different browsers and see how the page looks in each one. It lacks elegance, but it's foolproof. HTML validators are cute, but I only find them useful in checking code integrity for the benefit of browsers I don't test the page in. Browsers like IE are designed to find alternatives to functions pages which they don't support, so they can at least _look_ like they handling the code well. Also remember that most people design sites for IE, not for W3C standards. You're missing the point, which is that it's the webdesigner's responsibility to ensure his code meets W3C standards and looks good in browsers other than IE. You can not lay this one on MS's doorstep. If you don't take the time to learn proper HTML, you get what you deserve. And contrary to what you or anybody else says, MSIE will render proper HTML if you take the time to use proper HTML. I myself type the majority of code by hand. I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then, would a message be in order. Though make sure you point out that Opera has the same problem. CSS is becoming increasingly popular, particularly for large sites. CSS has the potential to make web design much easier. MS's claim that they support CSS1 is simply a lie. Again, most people design their sites for browsers (particularly IE), not standards (which is a real shame). I can't argue with that last point, other than to say that this entire thread wouldn't be faced with my ire if this were specifically about CSS. If you want to specifically put this warning pop-up on CSS pages, your case would be all the much stronger. I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that its not our choice of browser and detailing some reasons why. Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of harassment. You are making a political statement when you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're taking. You have a point there. Thank you. You are entitled to place a best viewed with text at the bottom of your page because I realize there's always going to be one browser that looks a little better
Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.
On Monday 29 October 2001 06:02 pm, you wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:43:08 -0800, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 29 October 2001 09:11 am, you wrote: Actually, I made no reference to linux at all... simply open standards and free software, thats all. Then say so. Don't tell people they might not be able to view your site with MSIE. That runs counter to all the whole point of the web, which is to make information available to as many people as possible. If you can't ensure that 2/3rds or more of all web surfers can view your site, you are a poor web designer just like the idiot's who use client-side VBScript. Whether you hate MS or not is really irrelevant. No, the message is saying that IE users may not be able to view the site _properly_. They are not being blocked, just warned. And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed properly. Not cop out with uncertainty. So basically, you want people to switch browsers so they switch to Linux. It seems to me you have little concern for freedom of web navigation. Leave Linux out of this. The issue is on standards-compliance. I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever consider switching to Linux. Too me, this campaign reeks of ulterior motive. Just like a certain Redmond Washington-based software giant. -- John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com