Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

2005-04-10 Thread JR
On Sunday 10 April 2005 02:25 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 JR wrote:
  On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 JR wrote:
 I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt
  work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is
  no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals.
 
 His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an
 adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for
 wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to
 give him his dream machine!
 
 Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the
 adapter on other computers? Other OSs?
 
  snip
  Hi Mikkel,
  Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must
  work with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it
  though
 
  Kind regards,
  Jarlath

 Try logging in as root, and running drakconf. Select mouse, and then
 serial mouse. It will help if you know the mouse type, and the port it
 is connected to. Just remember:

 Windows   Linux
 COM 1= /dev/ttyS0
 COM 2= /dev/ttyS1
 COM 3= /dev/ttyS2
 COM 4= /dev/ttyS3

 Mikkel

Mikkel, thanks a million. That did the trick. Selecting from the serial mice 
worked. I would not have been able to fix that without your help.

Thank you again,

Jarlath.


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[newbie] Poor graphics driver

2005-04-10 Thread JR
After installing mandrake 10.1 O on a friends pc, I've noticed that his 
graphics preformance is a little poor. Its a little noticable when moving 
windows - very noticable when playing mpeg / wmv etc.

Is there anything that can be done to improve this? The specs are below.



Identification
Vendor: S3 Inc.

Description: 86c368 [Trio 3D/2X]

Media class: DISPLAY_VGA

Connection
Bus: PCI

Bus PCI #: 1

PCI device #: 0

PCI function #: 0

Vendor ID: 21299

Device ID: 35347

Sub vendor ID: 65535

Sub device ID: 65535

Misc
Module: Card:S3 86C368 (Trio3D/2X)


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Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

2005-04-09 Thread JR
On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 JR wrote:
  I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work.
  It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no
  mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals.
 
  His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an
  adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for
  wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to
  give him his dream machine!

 Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the
 adapter on other computers? Other OSs?
snip
Hi Mikkel,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work 
with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it though

Kind regards,
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Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

2005-04-09 Thread JR
On Saturday 09 April 2005 03:09 pm, JR wrote:
 On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
  JR wrote:
   I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt
   work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is
   no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals.
  
   His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an
   adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for
   wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to
   give him his dream machine!
 
  Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the
  adapter on other computers? Other OSs?

 snip
 Hi Mikkel,
 Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work
 with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it
 though

 Kind regards,
 Jarlath
I've just learned that harddrake has detected a SBLive joystick. There is no 
joystick so I think it is really the mouse. It is filed under 'Unknown/other' 
in harddrake.

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[newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

2005-04-08 Thread JR
I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work. It 
doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no mouse 
section at all, and it's not under peripherals.

His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an adaptor. 
Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for wanting windows 
are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to give him his dream 
machine!

Thanks in advance,

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] win modem Lucent...!!!

2005-04-07 Thread JR
On Thursday 07 April 2005 05:55 pm, Domingo Abrego wrote:
 hi,  i am using a winmodem on my computer for windows, is that possible to
 use that same modem for linux, mandrake community edition v.10  ?...  i did
 some reseaches about win modems and linux and what i read in all this
 websites is that it is not possible!!!

 but i found a driver for LTwinmodem  (lucent winmodems) for linux.. in the
 driverguide webpage, is that possible... and maybe the main question is how
 do i install this driver on my system.?
People have successfully gotten their Lucent winmodems working on linux. 
Personally, I found it so difficult that I just bought a cheap serial modem 
(external). This option requires no software installation of anykind, and I 
dont think there was any configuration involved either. It's guaranteed to 
work.

The choice is yours. I prefered to part with EUR 50 rather than try to get the 
modem working.

Good luck!

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Re: [ml] [newbie] Which kernel?

2005-04-05 Thread JR
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:38 am, Cameron MacDonald wrote:
 Now I feel even sillierI remembered uname but forgot the switch!!
For any command you dont know the switches for (but you do know the command), 
just type 'uname - -help'. Replacing 'uname' with whatever command is 
torturing you at that moment in time :)

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Re: [newbie] Mandriva

2005-04-05 Thread JR
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 01:45 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote:
 It seems our favourite distro is going to change its name 
snip
That would be a pity, I always thought Mandrake was a great name. And the two 
suggested ones are awful (maybe it's my Irish accent?).

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[newbie] Opportunity to plug OOo at interview

2005-04-05 Thread JR
I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. One of the minor requirements 
would be skills with MS word and excel. I was thinking of using this as an 
opportunity to say but I've also started to use OOo more often because I 
find I am more productive and it does x y z.

Can anyone give me a few differences / similarities they might be interested 
in? I'm not going to get into open source to them at the interview. But if I 
can quickly mention a few tangible clenchers, I will. The jobs not that good 
anyway :)

Regards,

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[newbie] skype file transfer causes IP address loss

2005-04-03 Thread JR
Whenever I transmit a large file (~20MB) over skype, the transmission stalls 
and I get kicked off my network. I have to restart the wireless lan, then 
restart the network service on my machine.

Has anyone else had this problem?


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[newbie] network install

2005-04-02 Thread JR
I have a desktop and a laptop on a network. I want to install mandrake on the 
desktop. My mandrake installation disk is a DVD. The  desktop does not have a 
DVD drive, but the laptop does.

So, I'm trying to use the laptop to 'server' the DVD to the desktop. Can 
someone help me here? I can find no documentation on ftpd. I installed the 
drakwizard.but the ftp option keeps failing, and the 'installation server' 
option, I don't understand.

If I could even just ftp serve the /mnt/dvd drive then I think it would work. 
I have make a boot cd for the desktop with the network install option, all I 
need is a properly configured server.

I dont have enough bandwidth remaining to download the CD's.

Regard,

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Re: [newbie] Games recommendation

2005-03-22 Thread JR
On Monday 21 March 2005 10:08 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 Hi folks,
snip
 Do you have any recommendation on games that can relieve our stress level?
 Thanks :)

I love airstrike. Their still working on it but the version released at the 
moment is playable against another player or the computer. It's based on 
'bip' (bi-plane).



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Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.

2005-03-18 Thread JR
On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:59 pm, Tom wrote:
 OTOH, you didn't say if you need a SMP (more than one
 processor), a Hi-Mem (1 gig of ram or more), or any other special
 requirements.
snip 

Tom,

Thanks a lot. I have a fairly standard laptop setup, so I think the standard 
kernel you linked will be fine.
 Holler back if you want to compile, it's really fairly simple.
If it goes belly up, I will take you up on your offer!

Thanks again,

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.

2005-03-18 Thread JR
After installing the mandrake package for kernel 2.6.11, the only problem 
seems to be the network. I get this error:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] unholy]# service network start
Setting network parameters: [  OK  ]
Bringing up loopback interface: [  OK  ]
Bringing up interface eth1:  driverloader device eth1 does not seem to be 
present, delaying initialization.
[FAILED]


driverloader is a service that loads the drivers for my pcmcia network card. I 
installed it when I was using the old kernel so maybe the new kernel needs to 
be made aware of it's presence. But I dont know how to do that.

Thanks for listening,

Jarlath



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Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6.11 upgrade.

2005-03-17 Thread JR
  If a new kernel is out in a repository (official or
  unofficial) you can install through urpmi or anyway

Could anyone tell me where I can find such a repository? I've followed the 
kernel upgrade / install instructions at 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi#Installing_a_new_kernel
but the 'updates' repository doesnt have anything newer than 2.6.8. I'd like 
2.6.10 / 2.6.11

Cheers,
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[newbie] urpmi --fuzzy downloads without asking!

2005-03-06 Thread JR
when I do urpmi --fuzzy package, it sometimes downloads the package anyway, 
without giving me a choice. Am I misunderstanding this switch? I expected to 
be asked regardless how many similar packages there were (even if there was 
only one)

Jarlath


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[newbie] shortcut keys

2005-03-05 Thread JR
In KDE, many programs use the Win+[key] combo so they can be controlled even 
when not in focus. However, the Win key is used to bring up the root menu, 
which overrides these shortcuts.

Is the only solution to unregister the Win key for the root menu?

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] amaroK 1.2 final

2005-02-20 Thread JR
 I compiled this package with debug off, but if you really want to get to
 the bottom of this, I could make you a special package with debug on and
 then help you run it from within gdb so the devs can get a proper backtrace
 on your problem.  Let me know if you want to do that.

Thanks Greg,

From reading up on the net, I followed someones advice of going to the last 
entry in the collection_scan.log. This was an mp3, but it was only 54K, and 
contained less than one second of audio.

I deleted this and performed the scan with no problems. Amarok is (almost) 
perfect again, but if my installling the 'debug on' version is of any use to 
you or the developers, I'm happy to help.






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Re: [newbie] amaroK 1.2 final

2005-02-18 Thread JR
On Thursday 17 February 2005 08:14 pm, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On February 13, 2005 12:29 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
  For anyone that have been using my beta packages of amaroK, I have
  test packages up for 1.2 final.  I have been testing all morning,
  and everything seems good, but before 1.2 final is officially
  announced by the amaroK team, they would like to see the packages
  tested more.  Since I am the only Mandrake user on the amaroK
  project, I am appealing to the expert and newbie lists for a few
  brave souls who will test these packages.

Greg,

Thanks for packaging these. As with every version of Amarok I have tried, 
creating a collection causes the program to crash midway through the process. 
I have reported it, but it has been reported in the past and marded as 
'fixed'. Another suggestion was that the problem lay with taglib, and that an 
upgrade would fix it - but it didn't help in my case.

Anyone else having that problem?

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] amaroK 1.2 final

2005-02-13 Thread JR
The guys that developed it have created a really cool 
app that IMHO runs rings around anything else that currently exists.
I think so too. The streamed music is great if you want to hear something 
different. I havent listened to music on the radio in ages! I used to use a 
combination of players eg. xmms  / kaffeine / mplayer. Now I only use Amarok 
(for audio).

 There is some talk of making amaroK support video playback and I am not in
 favor of that.  amaroK shouldn't become an operating system, it should be
 the best audio player it can be.

I agree  totally. Projects that take this route generally fall down between 
two stools satisfying nobody really, and eventually being replaced with 
individual specialized apps.


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[newbie] Mandrake and amd 64

2005-02-13 Thread JR
I'm considering getting an AMD64 laptop. I understand that it is backwards 
compatible with 32 bit.But  if I install only 32 bit applications via urpmi, 
will I even benefit from a 64 bit processor?

I have decided not to go for pentium-M  / centrino as I will not be very 
mobile. This is primarily a desktop replacement.

I am aware of the extra memory possibilites of 64 bit, but I'm just wondering 
if there is any point in getting this technology when the software at the 
moment is still geared towards 32 bit?

Thanks,

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[newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette

2005-01-30 Thread JR
Would someone clarify this for me please?

If you use Reply but change the subject, you are hijacking.

Does this mean if you change the 'subject' field, or the topic of the thread?
Reading it, it would seem to mean the former. But common sense tells me the 
latter.

I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :)

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette

2005-01-30 Thread JR
 If you use Reply to get up a form, then erase the subject and type in
 something different, you are hijacking.

 If you use View  Headers  All Headers on this message you will see a line
 that starts with 'References;' .  Since your message has the ID
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] that will be in the line. 
 In other words, my answer to you is connected by thread.  When you hijack,
 your 'new subject' retains that thread connection.  This makes for
 difficulties:
Thanks, thats the area I wasn't clear on. I thought the mails were only 
threaded on the subject, hence a change of subject wouldnt cause a problem.
 1) The thread becomes fragmented and difficult to follow.

 2) Many people follow or ignore a thread according to their own interests
 and time available.  If the original thread was being ignored by the person
 best able to help you he will not see it.

  I dont deal with common sense much so I said I'd ask :)

 Asking *is* common sense.  I hope it's clearer now ;-)
It is indeed. Thanks again Anne.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrakelinux Mailing List Etiquette

2005-01-30 Thread JR
 Since you are running KMail, you can easily set up threading from the
 Folder tool. (You'll have to do it on a folder-by-folder basis.) Then
 select (KMail) Configure / Appearance and check the box Open threads that
 contain 
snip 

Thanks cmg,

I followed your steps. It actually turns out they are the default settings in 
my case, so I didnt have to do anything - but it's good to know.

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] Linux commands...???

2005-01-29 Thread JR
On Saturday 29 January 2005 04:40 am, teguh wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have some questions and do need your help since I'm
 really,really,really new in Linux.

1. on booting my comp shows this status Bringing up interface
   loopback eth0  FAILED. But the rest are OK. What does it mean?
   and  how to fix it?
This means a network or internet connection could not be established - or 
possibly that your network card is not present. Someone might have a more 
accurate definition for you.
2. And on the taskbar (at the bottom right) there's an orange circle
   telling network downblahblah...blah(don't remember
   exactly!!). can anyone tell me what happened with my computer? I
   use Mandrake 10.0; KDE 3.2
This is as a result of the former/
3. what is the command to install or to upgrade using console?For
   example, i have MySQL 4.0.18 in my comp now and want to be
   upgraded to MySQL 4.0.21. does this group have archives about
   Linux commands?
On any rpm based system, you can just download that package from the mysql 
website and install it. The command would be:

rpm -Uhv newer-package.rpm

But mandrake also has a great set of tools called 'urmp' that would be even 
easier - as long as the packages in the repository are as up to date as you 
need.

If you want more detail on any of these, just shout.

Regards,

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Re: [newbie] What is happening with XFree86.

2005-01-28 Thread JR
On Friday 28 January 2005 06:20 am, Mike Chalmers wrote:
 I had a couple of questions about XFree86 and was hoping that someone could
 answer them.

 -What is happening?
 -Are they still open source?
 -Is it that they are not dealing with major distibutions anymore?
All I know is that it is the distributions that are not dealing with them, as 
opposed to the other way around. XFree86 changed it's licence to be a little 
more restrictive, and the GNU / open source advocates didn't like it. I'm 
sure if you visit their website, you can view the licence.

Xorg is being maintained by former XFree programmers and then some, who were 
unhappy with the progress and direction of XFree. Many features such as 
windows transparency and DRI were actually coded, but couldn't get included 
in the main project for some reason. Since all that code was waiting in the 
wings, Xorg is going in leaps and bounds.

Regards,

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[newbie] Easiest way to transfer files from lin to win?

2005-01-27 Thread JR
I need to transfer about 15GB of data from my linux laptop to a windows 
laptop. We will both be on the same wireless network, but I dont actually 
know anything about file transfer on linux or windows!

Are there any quick pointers someone can give me to look into?

Thanks,
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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote:
 There should be no problem. The lady in question is a computer newbie.
 She will most likely want to use email and word-processing initially, so
 there should be absolutely no issue, since all such programs are
 standard on Mandrake at no extra charge.

 Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and
 expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus
 magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of infection,
 re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me.
I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates, when 
to turn on and off autoprotect etc.

 I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and
 generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is
 normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied by
 a cup of tea and a chat.

 There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We
 don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on
 holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with
 Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an
 Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not
 exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in 2006.

 cheers
 Duncan
snip

I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as 
possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she has 
plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always have the 
choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going near her laptop 
with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.

Regards,

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-22 Thread JR
I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to all who helped.

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:15 am, Angus Auld wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:42:12 -0500

  On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote:
   There should be no problem. The lady in question is a computer
   newbie. She will most likely want to use email and word-processing
   initially, so there should be absolutely no issue, since all such
   programs are standard on Mandrake at no extra charge.
  
   Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and
   expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus
   magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of
   infection, re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me.
 
  I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates,
  when to turn on and off autoprotect etc.
 
   I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and
   generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is
   normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied
   by a cup of tea and a chat.
  
   There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We
   don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on
   holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with
   Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an
   Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not
   exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in
   2006.
  
   cheers
   Duncan
 
  snip
 
  I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
  possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she
  has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always
  have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going
  near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.
 
  Regards,
 
  Jarlath

 
 As far as wireless goes, it definitely depends on what sort of wireless nic
 you have. I have a Dell Inspiron with a Broadcom wireless card, and I came
 just sort of smashing it to bits out of utter and complete frustration
 trying to get that thing to connect under Mandrake 10.1. 8| The Broadcom
 ethernet card on the other hand, was a snap to set up. I tried both
 ndiswrapper and Linuxants driverloader with the wireless.no joy in
 Mudville at all.

 I agree with your decisions to use as few MS programs as possible, and to
 set her up a dual-boot. Dual-booting is what I had to settle with, and now
 I can go wireless if need be, albeit with MS, and I can stick with my
 beloved Mandrake most of the time by plugging in to the internet. My
 decision to buy this Dell, with it's linux un-friendly Broadcom wireless
 card, is just one of those little learning experiences that comes along
 once in a while. ;-) Too soon old and too late smart comes to mind.

 Best regards to you.
 --Angus
Thanks Angus,
I managed to get my USR wireless pcmcia card working fine on a dell I4000. 
Linuxant.com allow you to upload the windows driver on your CD, and in return 
they give you a linux driver - if they have it.

Finally, configuration was a nightmare at first, but this guy sorted out 
everything in a few posts.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=threadid=260990highlight=final+step+wifi

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:05 am, Rick Kunath wrote:
 On Saturday 22 January 2005 03:42 pm, JR wrote:
  I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
  possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she
  has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always
  have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going
  near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.

 Coming in at the end of this thread, some of this may have been commented
 on earlier...

 I did exactly as you did with my wife's laptop. In Windows I installed
 Firefox with a bunch of excellent extensions , and Thunderbird. After I
 described some of the extensions and let her experiment with how much
 better browsing is with Firefox, it became the browser of choice. 
 Thunderbird does email nicely, and the switch was painless.

 I've a bunch of machines here that dual-boot, so I began having her walk
 through the Windows update procedures on them while I watched. The idea was
 to get her familiar with the pain that updating Windows is.

 Once she became familiar with the browsing and email programs on Windows, I
 had her boot into Mandrake and begin using the programs there. I did show
 her Kmail, which she prefers to T-Bird. Once she got over the double-click
 madness of Windows and learned how to single-click, everything went
 smoothly. All of my machines run so much faster under Mandrake than they do
 under Windows with all of the protection apps running, that it was really
 noticable to her.

 A bit later I showed her how to update Mandrake using MCC, and she never
 fails to comment at how easy keeping her machine up to date is. (I go over
 the updates usually yet on one of the machines, but she happily offers to
 update the other Mandrake machines, and does a fine job.) Soon, she'll be
 on her own.

 I've used a few wireless cards under 10.0 and 10.1 and earlier releases.
 Orinoco and Avaya cards (all cards 802.11b) worked fine, as did Prism 2.5
 cards and IBM's mini-PCI based Prism cards. I haven't done anything with g
 yet.

 I don't know if anyone mentioned yet, but Mandrake has Mandrake Move
 available, a CD-ROM based distro that runs without installing anything on
 the computer,  and one of the versions will support a USB memory stick, so
 your values , passwords, and configuration can be saved across boots. You
 could experiment with Linux without installing it, if all of your hardware
 is supported under the limited set of supported hardware of Move. It isn't
 as sweet as a real install, but it is non-intrusive.

 I've used lilo as a boot loader for years without issues on my dual-boot
 machines here.

 One thing you may want to look at is getting a recovery disk set for the
 new laptop. That way, should something go wrong, at least you'll be able to
 restore the original setup. I always get them for machines I have, and had
 to use them but once, for a non-Linux related issue.

  Rick Kunath

Thanks for that Rick,

The main thing stopping me now is the fact that it is quite difficult to 
intergrate Firefox with KDE. I'm still having konqueror come up as default at 
times and I've tried using the script suggested on various sites, but they 
dont work properly for some reason.

I can script a little and program a lot so I'm not computer illiterate - I 
feel this is a genuine stumbling block.

Jarlath

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:24 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Saturday 22 January 2005 22:00, JR wrote:
  I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to
  all who helped.
 
  Jarlath

 Out of curiosity :  did you compile it yourself or install a rpm ?
 As far as I can see, there's only rpms for RedHat ?

 Kaj Haulrich.
I used the rpms. They work fine on mdk10.1

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 12:33 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 03:02, JR wrote:
  My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8
  Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the
  virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on.
 
  I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working,
  but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to
  teach her - so my questions really are

 snip

 I've been reading the thread with interest.  I agree with most posters that
 there is little technical problem.  People who are not M$-addicted can take
 to Mandrake with little problem.  I do feel quite strongly, though, that
 there is an ethical problem.  I would not under any circumstances install
 Linux without the permission of the owner.  Forgive me if I have
 misunderstood you, but I got the impression that you were thinking of doing
 that.

 Anne

Hi Anne,

She basically wants me to do whatever make life easiest for her. She has seen 
linux on my laptop and when she turned on her new pc, she had applications 
screaming at her like ferral children, asking for her to register this and 
update that...

I've tried to explain Linux vs Windows to her, but it's meaningless to her. I 
actually think she would find Mandrake easier to use, but when you have to 
consider interoperation with Windows users - I'm not really sure what to do.

At the moment, I've installed firefox / tbird and I've set them as the 
defaults. I've also installed openofffice and done the same.

If I do put linux on, it will be a boot option. I will put an icon on her 
linux desktop to make windows default next time just in case.

I'm still pondering though.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it,

Jarlath

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-21 Thread JR
On Friday 21 January 2005 03:08 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 23:14, Charles Lee Ying wrote:
  The package urpmi selected was simply called oooqs. However, I remember
   I also updated kaffeine (and hence xine  libs).  So I assume there is
   a conflict. I have just tried installing from the generic installer at
   openoffice.org but the setup program will not run properly. I get the
   progress bar but thats it.
 
  as far as I've googled, your best bet is to remove oooqs before you do
  anything else. I guess you wanted a faster startup on OO, but I guess a
  working OO is better than your current situation.

 James' suggestion of increasing the memory available to OOo (in Options, I
 think) seems to have quite an impact on startup speed without any other
 problems.

 Anne
Thanks folks. I have removed oooq but I still have the problem. I uninstalled, 
deleted the settings and reinstalled and I still have the problem. I'm 
stumped.

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[newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-21 Thread JR
My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8 Ghz 
but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the virus 
scanners, adware removal daemons and so on.

I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working, but 
she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to teach her - 
so my questions really are

1) On windows, wireless networks in the vicinity are auto-detected so you can 
connect to them. Can this be done easily under linux? She will be quite 
mobile.

2) Is it fair to leave a linux AND computer newbie alone with linux in the 
world of windows when you dont have time to explain how to use what you've 
set up? I dont mean to insult the woman but she literally knows nothing bar 
how to use the mouse and type in a word processor.

3) Do I really want to spend my first free weekend in ages installing linux 
again!

Thank you for listening ( - Fraiser Craine)

Jarath
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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-21 Thread JR
On Friday 21 January 2005 05:12 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Friday 21 January 2005 10:02 pm, JR wrote:
  My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8
  Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the
  virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on.
 
  I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working,
  but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to
  teach her - so my questions really are
 
  1) On windows, wireless networks in the vicinity are auto-detected so you
  can connect to them. Can this be done easily under linux? She will be
  quite mobile.

 Depends on the wireless nic, but my cisco card is pretty good about
 connecting to open networks.  I was at my brothers house a few weeks ago,
 and instead of wiring up through his cable modem, I just used his neighbors
 DSL line ;)

  2) Is it fair to leave a linux AND computer newbie alone with linux in
  the world of windows when you dont have time to explain how to use what
  you've set up? I dont mean to insult the woman but she literally knows
  nothing bar how to use the mouse and type in a word processor.

 No, I don't think it is fair.  It maybe okay if a person is open to change,
 but my experience with people like this is that they are not able to deal
 with the change.  They simply want everything to be the same.  IMO, there
 is a greater than 90% chance that she will be mad.

  3) Do I really want to spend my first free weekend in ages installing
  linux again!

 I wouldn't :)

Thanks for that Greg. I think I'll settle for a happy medium. Use firefox as 
the webbrowser, thunderbird for mail and openoffice for wordprocessing. Ill 
wait till the new MSOffice 'lookalike' comes out.

'Cross-eyed drunk in the night club with the cheapest admission' it is so!

Regards,

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-19 Thread JR
On Tuesday 18 January 2005 07:09 pm, Charles Lee Ying wrote:
 JR wrote:
 On Monday 17 January 2005 05:59 pm, Charles Lee Ying wrote:
 JR wrote:
 OpenOffice will no longer run since I installed the quickstart program
  via urpm. Running any of the OO apps from the command line results in a
  Segfault.
 
 Uninstalling it did not help. I removed the entire OO package / libs and
 reinstalled to no effect. Can anyone help?
 
 Jarlath
 
 there is also a directory created in your home folder .openoffice
 which I think contains settings for openOffice. Delete that as well
 before you do any re-installs
 
 charles
 
 Thanks Charles,
 
 I tried this too. But after reinstalling again, I have the same problem.
 
 Jarlath
 

 my apologies if I'm going to make you repeat yourself, could you tell me
 what are the quickstart programs you installed?

 charles

The package urpmi selected was simply called oooqs. However, I remember I also 
updated kaffeine (and hence xine  libs).  So I assume there is a conflict. I 
have just tried installing from the generic installer at openoffice.org but 
the setup program will not run properly. I get the progress bar but thats it.

Jarlath

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-18 Thread JR
On Monday 17 January 2005 05:59 pm, Charles Lee Ying wrote:
 JR wrote:
 OpenOffice will no longer run since I installed the quickstart program via
 urpm. Running any of the OO apps from the command line results in a
  Segfault.
 
 Uninstalling it did not help. I removed the entire OO package / libs and
 reinstalled to no effect. Can anyone help?
 
 Jarlath


 there is also a directory created in your home folder .openoffice
 which I think contains settings for openOffice. Delete that as well
 before you do any re-installs

 charles

Thanks Charles,

I tried this too. But after reinstalling again, I have the same problem.

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[newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-17 Thread JR
OpenOffice will no longer run since I installed the quickstart program via 
urpm. Running any of the OO apps from the command line results in a Segfault. 

Uninstalling it did not help. I removed the entire OO package / libs and 
reinstalled to no effect. Can anyone help?

Jarlath

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[newbie] postgresql problems

2005-01-16 Thread JR
I'm trying to install Cubit which requires postgresql. But I keep getting this 
error:
  psql: FATAL:  IDENT authentication failed for user pguser

when I type
  psql -U pguser

I've googled on the error and made changes to pg_ident.conf and pg_hba.conf as 
suggested but I still get the error, even thought I restarted the service. 

I also followed this howto:
HOWTO use the PostgreSQL server in few steps
by Christian Belisle [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This file is included with the Mandrake PostgreSQL's packages.

After you installed the packages, here is the procedure to
start quickly but nicely.

1- Become root user on your machine. (su)
2- Become postgres user. (su postgres)
3- Create a user (createuser)
4- Be sure that the postmaster is running (service postgresql status)
5- Logout from the postgres and the root account.
6- Test it. (psql -U [username])

 I'm actually surprised at how difficult this is to setup. Or more accurately, 
I'm surprised at how hard it is to get the info. 

Thanks folks,

Jarlath

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[newbie] guide-blender in english?

2005-01-15 Thread JR
The guide-blender package installed by urpmi is in french. I've also checked 
here http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/21/year/2004/month/04/day/22 and it 
seems that they are all french here too. Is there an english version?

Sorry, but I dont know which source urpmi installed from.  It was either from 
the 10.1 Official updates, jpackage, plf, contrib or main sources.

Cheers,

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Re: [newbie] winmodems

2005-01-11 Thread JR
I would also like to encourage you to go the ethernet route (no pun intended) 
for adsl. You are guaranteed it will work and more people will be able to 
help you if you run into a problem. And as already pointed out, drivers are 
not required.

Jarlath

On Tuesday 11 January 2005 05:08 am, linuxgirlie wrote:
 I agree get a router, and if you have more than one computer get a 4 port.

 Though be careful what they say on the boxes, our dsl router broke, so
 we went out to buy one, and ended up with something you put between
 your modem and your computer, the box said asdl router, but it wasn't
 that. Second time lucky and it works perfectly...funny enough that
 also said adsl router on the box!!!

 Jo

 On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:54:04 +, Derek Jennings

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 11 January 2005 05:59, Ana Paula Samodossi wrote:
   Ok guys, I ll buy my hardware modem next month. I ll keep away from
   usb ones (thanks John!), but what about adsl modems??
  
   On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:44:15 -0800, Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Damn, I wish I would follow my own advice 8)
  
   I dont know why but this sounds so familiar... Yuck.
 
  There are some USB ADSL modems that will work with Linux such as the
  Alcatel SpeedTouch.
  But the bad news is that they rely on proprietary drivers and like all
  proprietary drivers there is no guarantee that they will be maintained in
  the future and will work with all kernels.
 
  If you have the choice I would strongly recommend getting an Ethernet
  connected single port ADSL modem/router.  The price is much the same as a
  USB ADSL modem, and it will not need any driver at all. Just an Ethernet
  port on your computer.
 
  derek
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Re: [newbie] RE: nVidia

2005-01-10 Thread JR
On Monday 10 January 2005 08:41 am, Lorin  Jenny Pino wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Hugh Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:10 AM
 Subject: FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia


 I have recently had a lot of trouble with an nvidia card - I think the
 problem has been with the card, not the linux drivers.  However one think I
 have observed is the dissatisfaction with nvidia on their linux site.  I
 have noticed the same with matrox (the other card manufacturer I have dealt
 with) but the ATI site seems to be quite positive.
 I don know if anyone else has any first hand experiance with the card
 manufacturers, but from my observation of their web sites, I am tempted to
 go ATI next time I need a card

 my 2 cents worth...
 Hugh

 I am experimenting with linux an a machine with an ATI Radeon 9000. I have
 had no problems with it using Mandrake 10.1, Suse 9.2, or FC 3.  Whatever
 that is worth from a newbie!
 ~Lorin

Could any notebook users post their experiences with 3D accelleration also? 

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[newbie] Ideal camera connectivity

2005-01-09 Thread JR
I'm wondering which option is best to connect to my laptop to a digital camera 
(which hasnt been chosen yet).

I thought that if I got one that supported mass storage, then it would be as 
simple as mounting my mp3 player. But someone else reccommended getting one 
that uses CF / SD cards and getting a pcmcia card reader for the laptop.

Has anyone any suggestions? I'm a little confused. I expect there will be some 
difficulty trying to connect the camera via usb, but the pcmcia option might 
be just as difficult in itself.

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Ideal camera connectivity

2005-01-09 Thread JR
On Sunday 09 January 2005 04:45 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
  Any camera that uses the USB Mass Storage protocol is absolutely
  the way to go.  Stay away (far-far away) from any other protocol.
  USB Mass Storage will be recognized as any other usb drive when
  you plug the camera into your Linux box, and probably you will get
  an icon popping up for it on the desktop.

 But i case you end up with one like mine, i have some easy scripts
 that, now that i have used them for awhile, i actually prefer.

 I don't use any photo album software: i just organize them myself.
 Then i use gqview (or maybe xnview) to view them.

 The other feature i never used was deleting individual pics from the
 camera, so keep that in mind.

 It works out very well (for me).

 eric

Thanks folks. I cant find a pcmcia reader that does both cf and sd so I think 
I'll go for mass storage. Thanks for all the advice. Much better than the 
sales assistant!

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] pdf editing

2005-01-08 Thread JR
This seems to be the best non-Adobe solution.
http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209from=rss

Adobe has release a brand new beta version of their pdf editor. I dont have a 
link but they have a linux version too for the first time.

Jarlath

On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:15 am, Martin Hardie wrote:
 Hi All

 I want to copy from pdf files ... i recall that in Abode Acrobat I could do
 this sometimes but with KGhostView I cannot at all. Are there and pdf
 programs out there that let me copy and paste into other formats or is
 there a way to save as into another format?

 I see that I can download a linux version of acrobat but if i can get
 around that it would be nice.

 The list of Pdf programs on urpmi goes like this (it might help someone
 recognise one that is useful)

 LePatriarche-pdf
 docbook-utils-pdf
 fax2pdf
 gcc-doc-pdf
 gcc3.3-doc-pdf
 gcc4.0-doc-pdf
 glibc-doc-pdf
 gpdf
 kdegraphics-kpdf
 kernel-doc-pdf
 libcpdf2
 libcpdf2-devel
 libcpdf2-static-devel
 libpdf1
 libpdf1-devel
 libpdf1-static-devel
 patriarche-pdf
 pdftk
 pdftohtml
 php-pdf
 ppdfilt
 tetex-dvipdfm
 xpdf


 Thanks

 Martin




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Re: [newbie] acpi / upgrade kernel

2005-01-08 Thread JR
On Friday 07 January 2005 09:19 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Saturday 08 January 2005 12:39 am, JR wrote:
  Greg, thanks. I've just downloaded them and I ran the kde laptop battery
  program. I tried standby, suspend and hibernate. The screen goes to
  console with a message saying that it is performing the appropriate
  action. But then it returns to the desktop.

 Couple things

 Is your swap partition big enough to handle a suspend operation, for
 instance, suspend won't work if you have 512MB memory and 384MB swap.

Yes it is. I had the horrors that it mightn't when you said that though :)
 Some laptops don't really follow the acpi standard, so suspend and stanby
 really don't work properly.

 cpufreqd is another app that works with acpi to slow down your processor
 when it is on battery or idle.
I get this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] unholy]# service cpufreq start
Probing cpufreq modules :   [FAILED]


  And the klaptopbattery is not shown in the
  system tray, even though that option is checked in the config for the
  application.

 Hmmm. It is working here.  Did you do service acpid start after installing
 the new packages?
I'm sorry, the icon changes when you connect the mains and I thought the icon 
dissapeared.

Check in teh MCC/System/Services that they are set to run at boot.  You also 
need to check dmesg after rebooting to check that acpi was enabled at boot, 
if dmesg reports that it was disabled due to some reason, then using the 
acpi=force option will make it load.
dmesg just says that cpufreq will be deprecated from 2.6.8 but aside from that 
no other messages so I guess it works?


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[newbie] acpi / upgrade kernel

2005-01-07 Thread JR
Can anyone tell me how to get acpi working? Or failing that, to upgrade the 
kernel to 2.6.10?

I've tried setting the kernel boot options to acpi=on and 'noapic' but I still 
dont have acpi

TIA

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Re: [newbie] acpi / upgrade kernel

2005-01-07 Thread JR
Greg, thanks. I've just downloaded them and I ran the kde laptop battery 
program. I tried standby, suspend and hibernate. The screen goes to console 
with a message saying that it is performing the appropriate action. But then 
it returns to the desktop. And the klaptopbattery is not shown in the system 
tray, even though that option is checked in the config for the application.

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[newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde

2005-01-03 Thread JR

I've gone into KDE-configure desktop - components - file associations - html, and added
/home/unholy/firefox-installer/firefox
as the executable.

Now when I click a link from anywhere, firefox is lauched - but only if another firefox instance isn't already running.

If firefox is already running, I get the bouncing icon for a few seconds and then nothing.

Any ideas folks?

Jarlath


Re: [newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde

2005-01-03 Thread JR
I only noticed this now, but oddly, the script works when called with no 
arguments, and no previous instance.

With a previous instance I get the message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] firefox-installer]$ ./launcheme.sh
/home/unholy/firefox-installer/mozilla-xremote-client: error while loading 
shared libraries: libplds4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file 
or directory


On Monday 03 January 2005 03:55 pm, Paul wrote:
 Op Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:19:20 -0500 schreef JR:
 Now when I click a link from anywhere, firefox is lauched - but only
 if  another firefox instance isn't already running.
 
 If firefox is already running, I get the bouncing icon for a few
 seconds and  then nothing.

 There is a trick to it in shape of a script:


 browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
 Fox=firefox
 Client=mozilla-xremote-client
 if [ ${1:0:1} = / ]
 then url=file://$@
 else url=$@
 fi

 if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then
 exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab)
 else
 $browserPath$Fox $url
 fi
 exit



 Save this script and tell your system to use the script instead of
 launching firefox directly.

 Good luck
 Paul


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Re: [newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde

2005-01-03 Thread JR
Hi Paul,

Thanks for replying, but that didnt work I'm afraid. The results were the 
same. I had firefox located in /home/unholy/firefox-installer so I changed 
the path in the script and it didn't work.

Actually it didnt work regardless of whether or not there was a previous 
instance of the program

Regards,

Jarlath

On Monday 03 January 2005 03:55 pm, Paul wrote:
 Op Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:19:20 -0500 schreef JR:
 Now when I click a link from anywhere, firefox is lauched - but only
 if  another firefox instance isn't already running.
 
 If firefox is already running, I get the bouncing icon for a few
 seconds and  then nothing.

 There is a trick to it in shape of a script:


 browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
 Fox=firefox
 Client=mozilla-xremote-client
 if [ ${1:0:1} = / ]
 then url=file://$@
 else url=$@
 fi

 if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then
 exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab)
 else
 $browserPath$Fox $url
 fi
 exit



 Save this script and tell your system to use the script instead of
 launching firefox directly.

 Good luck
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Re: [newbie] Firefox only lauches on first instance with mdk kde

2005-01-03 Thread JR
Ok, this is the file as I have it at the moment

browserPath=/home/unholy/firefox-installer/
Fox=firefox
Client=mozilla-xremote-client
if [ ${1:0:1} = / ]
then url=file://$@
else url=$@
fi

if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then
 exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab)
else
 $browserPath$Fox $url
fi
exit

I still get the same results unfortunately.


On Monday 03 January 2005 05:31 pm, Russ Kepler wrote:
 On Monday 03 January 2005 01:55 pm, Paul wrote:
  browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
  Fox=firefox
  Client=mozilla-xremote-client
  if [ ${1:0:1} = / ]
  then url=file://$@
  else url=$@
  fi
 
  if [ $(ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l) -ge 4 ]; then
  exec $browserPath$Client -a firefox openURL($url,new-tab)
  else
  $browserPath$Fox $url
  fi
  exit

 The browserPath is missing a terminating /, it should be:

 browserPath=/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox/

 For mozilla I have a more complex invoker named 'mozilla-session':

 #!/bin/sh
 if /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote ping()
 then
   if [ $1 =  ]
   then
 /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote xfeDoCommand(openBrowser) 
   else
 /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote openURL($1,new-tab) 
   fi
 else
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla $@ 
 fi
 exit 0

 (Sorry for the hard coded paths, I didn't expect to share it).

 This opens links given on the command line as a new tab, starts a session
 if none was running and starts a new browser window if a session is already
 started and nothing is on the command line.

 Now if I could just get rid of the blinky when starting from KDE


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Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?

2005-01-02 Thread JR
On Sunday 02 January 2005 08:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote:
  I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than
  MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely
  to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other
  things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it.
  If you need VBS, you need MSOffice.

 Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were
 demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system.  At that
 conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to
 run the VBS scripts within documents.  When my sin-in-law asked if that
 would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities
 there was a stunned silence.  Apparently no-one had thought of that.

 Anne

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Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?

2005-01-02 Thread JR
On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote:
  I wish my mother in law used linux :)

 Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let
 her 'accidentally' see it?  A little gentle deceit is not really harmful.
 ;-)

 Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in
 a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her
 windows back, because it will be dual-boot.

 For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if
 they are used to Outlook.  My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely
 adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$
 offerings.  There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days.
 It's hard to find something that would really stump most people.

 Anne

Thanks Anne,

I actually put mandrake 9.2 on their pc when it came out but I didnt really 
take a 'holistic' approach to it as I was a newbie myself. She had never used 
a computer in her life so the dual boot thing was too confusing for her - she 
she couldnt understand what an operating system was, let alone why she needed 
two.

She was also taking classes which focused on ms software. At that stage in her 
learning even openoffice wasnt familiar enogh for her. She had to follow 
pictures in the manual showing the ms office menus.

Mounting of floppy disks was also a serious setback. It might have been 
fixable but floppies had to be mounted from the console.

Also the kids had lots of pc games. I hadnt heard of crossover at the time. So 
they ended up ignoring linux. And constantly booting into windows.

But you are right, it is easy to make a user of another OS comfortable in 
linux, when you know what you're doing. Pairing that with remote 
administration would be perfect I think, which is the next thing I'd like to 
get into.

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] Virus Program seems to be missing vital component.

2005-01-01 Thread JR
Hi Graham,

I have yet to install clam av, but I just wanted to point out that the viruses 
being detected are most likely windows viruses that would pass through a 
linux system without being able to cause any harm.

The reason clam av detects these is because linux is often used as a mail 
server which often has windows clients.

Hope you get your problem resolved, and happy new year!

JR

On Saturday 01 January 2005 09:11 am, Graham Watkins wrote:
 Hi Y'all and a happy new year,

 My first crisis of the year began this morning.  I finally got round to
 installing clam anti virus and Klamav. My first scan brought up about
 half a dozen worms hiding out in my mailboxes. I quarantined the mail
 files which cost me all the mail I had stored on mozilla.

 Before deleting the files, I imported them into evolution which I do not
   use for downloading mail - dangerous? Possibly, but I wanted to be
 able to clean it up using Klamav which purports to use a program called
 klammail to quarantine infected mails.  However, I cannot set it up to
 filter the mail in evolution because the klammail program does not seem
 to exist anywhere on my system.

 Anyone know anything about this?  It seems a rather urgent situation as
 I, like so many others here, had assumed that linux was more or less
 immune to this sort of thing and finding this lot came as a bit of a
 shock. Is it possible to get klammail to weed out the suspect mails or
 should I just bite the bullet and delete the lot?

 Cheers,

 Graham


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Re: [newbie] Virus Program seems to be missing vital component.

2005-01-01 Thread JR
I found a variation of SCO.A here
http://www.stacken.kth.se/lists/best-forestry/2004-01/msg00157.html
it's referenced as Worm.SCO.A


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Re: [newbie] Wireless Lan Help Needed

2005-01-01 Thread JR
I started here
http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/?PHPSESSID=18e687352446352cb52c97cc5b1b5b3e
to find a driver for my wireless lan card.

The final steps on configuration were beyond me and a user graciously helped 
me through it at this link
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=threadid=260990highlight=final+step+wifi

Theres quite a bit of reading and work to do between those two links which 
will keep you busy for a while, but hopefully they'll sort you out.

HTH

Jarlath


On Saturday 01 January 2005 06:33 pm, BJ Tracy wrote:
 Hello All,

 Let me start by wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR and I hope your year
 is prosperous.

 I have been using Mandrake 10.0 in my home office on a Linksys
 LAN(hardware is Linksys router and Hub) with no problems.

 I also have a Linksys 802.11 wireless card and access point that I now
 want to get up and running on my laptop.  I have gone to there web site
 and they (Linksys) do not offer any drivers for the wireless card.

 What do I need to do get my wireless connection up and running.  FYI- I
 have gone thru the Mandrake hardware installation and do not have a clue
 about which driver I need.

 Please advise.
 Thanks in Advance,

 B.J. Tracy



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Re: [newbie] urpmi problem

2004-12-30 Thread JR
I'm no guru, but did you try urpmi.update -a first? I had to do this just 
yesterday to get a package.

Jarlath
On Thursday 30 December 2004 08:59 am, eric jackson wrote:
 Hi,

 I just installed 10.1 Official. When I finished I set up some sites to use
 with urpmi and I did an update. Urpmi was updated in the process. Since
 that time I have been unable to get urpmi --auto-select -auto to work.
 Yesterday after I entered that command the computer never gave me the
 prompt back even after 6 hours.

 Anybody know how I can straighten this out?

 Thanks for your help!


 Eric Jackson


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[newbie] HP scanner config problems

2004-12-27 Thread JR
I'm trying to configure the hp hps 1110 all-in-one. I carried out the vague 
instructions here 
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=forumid=2threadid=157111
 
but still xsane doesnt detect it. I'm only interested in the scanner.

Thanks for listening!

Jarlath


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Re: [newbie] HP scanner config problems

2004-12-27 Thread JR
Thanks folks, 

When I went to the mandrake control center, the hpoj service wasnt started. It 
said to run 

/etc/init.d/hpoj setup

as root. I did and it sorted it out, xsane now runs. Thanks again,

JR

On Monday 27 December 2004 07:01 pm, RickSisler wrote:
 JR ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  I'm trying to configure the hp hps 1110 all-in-one. I carried out the
  vague instructions here
  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=forumid=2threa
 did=157111 but still xsane doesnt detect it. I'm only interested in the
  scanner.
 
  Thanks for listening!
 
  Jarlath

 Bookmark this reference for http://www.linuxprinting.org/

 Here's some more information on your printer:
 http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1110

 It seems you may need the SANE backends for scanning ..

 HTH


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Re: [newbie] Webcam Advice!

2004-12-27 Thread JR
Hi Ricardo,

First of all, welcome to webcam hell. I'm kidding - but the biggest problem 
you will have is with hardware. Mandrake has a compatability page listing 
various hardware.

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/hardware.php3

Then, if you decide to go with gnome meeting, you will need to install 
video4linux at the backend.

The webcam I have is not compatible and I couldn't be bothered getting another 
so I fell at the first hurdle - but I imagine if you get a compatible camera 
you'll be fine.

HTH

JR

On Monday 27 December 2004 01:13 am, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas 
wrote:
 I´ve never thought of using a webcam but, now I need to install 2!

 One for mdk 9.2 and one for mdk.10.0 Official.

 Any hints on brands and software?

 I´ve heard of Gnomemeeting...

 Any ideas?

 TIA

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Re: [newbie] Re: Quickbooks on wine

2004-12-26 Thread JR
Thankyou for your suggestions John, Anne and Ed.

I do know that as he is a sole trader, a payroll feature is not required. 
However his computer skills are quite limited, and he is old so he doesnt (or 
'can't' to use his own words) learn a new system. He had to be taught to use 
Quickbooks.

I will try using crossover office as Ed suggested. I will also demo Quasar and 
Cubit Accounting to him and see what he thinks. His system is crippled with 
what can only be a trojan or a virus I suppose. He has a firewall and Norton 
Antivirus and something still keeps messing with his internet connection so 
he is understandably quite frustrated.

I hope to provide him with a linux alternative which he will find easier to 
use and perhaps tell his friends to try.

Thankyou all again,

JR


On Sunday 26 December 2004 12:47 am, John Zoetebier wrote:
 JR wrote:
  Has anyone tried Quickbooks on wine or crossover? It's the only thing
  stopping my mates buisness from switching. Theres noting on the web about
  it. I know it would probably install fine, but I really want to know if
  it will 'work'. I dont know enough about the package to test it myself
  unfortunately.
 
  Happy holidays.

 Did he ever try Quasar from http://www.linuxcanada.com ?
 It is more reliable than Quickbooks and has everything a small business
 user needs.
 One user license is free of charge.
 I have used Quasar now for over 2 years and never encountered a single
 problem.
 Something I cannot say of QuickBooks.
 A GPL version is in the make.


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Re: [newbie] Changing desktop

2004-12-25 Thread JR
Typing 'kde' or 'kdm' should work. As far as I remember. You probably didnt 
click the box to have the graphical server start at boot when you installed.

HTH

On Friday 24 December 2004 09:19 pm, George N. Conover wrote:
 I just installed Mandrake 10.1 and I can't get KDE to come up.  How do I
 change the Desktops from the command line?  I want to try GNOME.

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[newbie] Quickbooks on wine

2004-12-25 Thread JR
Has anyone tried Quickbooks on wine or crossover? It's the only thing stopping 
my mates buisness from switching. Theres noting on the web about it. I know 
it would probably install fine, but I really want to know if it will 'work'. 
I dont know enough about the package to test it myself unfortunately.

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Re: [newbie] How to uninstall packages?

2004-12-25 Thread JR
On Saturday 25 December 2004 01:22 pm, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
 Hi, and happy holidays to all the listers.

 1) Suppose I copied the file 'mypackage.tar.gz' into the ~/tmp directory
and within that directory I did: $ tar xzvf mypackage.tar.gz
   $ cd mypackage'
   $ ./configure'
   $ make
   # make install
in order to install the 'mypackage' package.
How can I uninstall it,
1a) if the dir ~/tmp/mypackage is still there?;
1b) if the dir ~/tmp/mypackage was removed after the installation?

Either way, in the case of source installation, you need the tar archive and 
in the directory type

make uninstall (as root)

 2) Suppose I copied the file 'mypackage.rpm' into the ~/tmp directory
and within that directory I did: # rpm -i mypackage.rpm (is that
 correct?)
in order to install the 'mypackage' package.
How can I uninstall it,
2a) if the file mypackage.rpm is still there in the ~/tmp directory?;
2b) if the file mypackage.rpm was removed after the installation?

You dont need the rpm file to uninstall. Just do rpm -e theprogramToRemove

 Thanks in advance for any replies,
 and excuse such basic (and maybe silly) questions.

 Rodolfo

 P.S.: Are '# rpm -i mypackage.rpm' and '# urpmi mypackage.rpm'
   equivalent or what's the difference between the two?

rpm is a tool for managing rpms. But urpmi is a wrapper which adds even more 
fuctionality. However its not true to say that it is better. Urpm actually 
searches known sources for the rpm to save you looking. With rpm, you have to 
have it ready to rock.

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Re: [newbie] How to uninstall packages?

2004-12-25 Thread JR
On Saturday 25 December 2004 02:10 pm, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
 Thanks JR, thanks Mikkel:
 one more question:
 will 'rpm -e' work also if I installed the package with urpmi?

 Cheers,
 Rodolfo

Good question. urpmi ultimately installs the rpms on your system using rpm 
itslef. So it should.

JR


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[newbie] ISO Downloads

2003-02-07 Thread Craig Deline Jr








I just downloaded Mandrake 9 ISOs from mirror.aca.oakland.edu
The first image, Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso, after I burn it to
a CD (Using Nero 5.5), does not boot, and I cannot see any files on it in
windows as I can on the other two (Discs 23). I am using Nero 5.5
with a Philips 8x4x32 CDRW Drive (CD4800 I think). I tried booting on my laptops
CD-ROM drive (QSR SDR-081 DVD ROM) and my desktops (Creative DVD-ROM
DVD1241E) to no avail. My computers are set in the BIOS to boot from CD-ROM
first. Any suggestions? Besides downloading from
another server? Thanx



craig








RE: [newbie] ISO Downloads

2003-02-07 Thread Craig Deline Jr
Title: RE: [newbie] ISO Downloads









I did burn it as an image. I started downloading
another image, it has about 20 mins
left. I will have to see how it works.



Thanx,

craig



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Behalf Of Craig Deline Jr 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003
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Subject: [newbie] ISO Downloads




I just downloaded Mandrake 9 ISO's from
mirror.aca.oakland.edu The first image,
Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso, after I burn it to a CD (Using Nero
5.5), does not boot, and I cannot see any files on it in windows as I can on
the other two (Disc's 23). I am using Nero 5.5 with a Philips 8x4x32 CDRW
Drive (CD4800 I think). I tried booting on my laptop's CD-ROM drive (QSR
SDR-081 DVD ROM) and my desktop's (Creative DVD-ROM DVD1241E) to no avail. My
computers are set in the BIOS to boot from CD-ROM first. Any suggestions?
Besides downloading from another server? Thanx

 
craig 
 
Sounds like an often made mistake,
you copied the file and did not make an image from iso. Nero should have
a tool that says make image from iso on the tool bar somewhere. I don't use
Nero so may be wrong. Anybody else familiar with it? HTH Dennis M.








[newbie] 9.0 problem with shorewall and internet connection sharing

2002-10-03 Thread Gary K Stinnett Jr

I just got done installing 9.0 for my home network.  Im running a simple home 
network.  I am using a standard 10/100 nic for my network.  I am using a 
Cisco PCI 350 aironet 802.11b card for my broadband internet connection.  I 
use to run mandrake 8.2 with no problems.  I did a clean install of 9.0 and 
have not been able to get internet sharing to work.  Prior to configuring ics 
under network and internet settings in mandrake control center, I could 
access the internet on my 9.0 box.  After configuring ics i loose all 
internet access.  After fiddling with it for a while I noticed that when I 
enabled ics that shorewall is installed and that the gui interface for 
firewall under mandrake control center shows that all setting or ports are 
blocked.  The funny thing about it is that when i disable all firewall 
settings under mandrake contol center my ics is now disabled.  It does 
it on its own.  I have tried many things and have not had any luck.  I'm 
pretty much a newbie to linux so I have not tried to manually adjust anything 
yet.  I thought I would look for some help first with the mailing list.

Any help appreciated

Thanks,

Gary



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[newbie] Up2Date

2002-08-04 Thread K. Spress Jr



is therea similiar program in mandrake that 
will update my entire cpu. like in redhat 7.2

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[newbie] Windows 2000 and Mandrake 8.2 / 9.0

2002-08-04 Thread K. Spress Jr

I want to create a dual boot system for my machine and have Windows 2000 SP3
and Mandrake 8.2 or 9.0 installed also what is going to be the easiest way
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Re: [newbie] TV Tunner Cards

2002-08-02 Thread K. Spress Jr



Yes it is.. I have the ATI TV Tuner Card in PCI and 
it works just fine 


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[newbie] dell inspiron 8100 with ATI Mobility Radeon 7500

2002-08-01 Thread Gary K Stinnett Jr

I'm having troubles installing mandrake 8.2 on my dell laptop (dell inspiron
8100 with ATI Mobility Radeon 7500)

When I get to the point of setting up my graphics card for xfree the display
goes black when testing.

I have tried both the 3d support set up and 2d support set up

Any info appreciated

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Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP

2002-07-29 Thread K. Spress Jr

I recommend not dual booting XP and Mandrake.. You have to remember
Microsoft is not too friendly.. I had a hard enough time with Windows ME and
Mandrake 8.2


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Re: [newbie] USB Interface failed

2002-07-27 Thread K. Spress Jr

I am thinking maybe a USB to PS2 Adapter might be a good idea until you get
the mandrake USB Fixed.. but I do not use USB.. so..


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Re: [newbie] upgradeing to 9.0 beta

2002-07-27 Thread K. Spress Jr

IMO.. I think doing a clean fresh install would be the better way to go.. :)


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[newbie] KDE 3.0

2002-07-27 Thread K. Spress Jr

How do i download the new version of KDE and install it in Mandrake 8.2? 


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[newbie] Newbie and Confused! :)

2002-07-24 Thread K. Spress Jr

I have mandrake 8.2 and I am attempting to install KDE 3.0x and Update the
Kernel
can some send me a message on ICQ # 19870108 and give me links and stuff
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Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock

2002-05-29 Thread Henry B. Wangle Jr.

On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:20, you wrote:
Well not wanting to beat my own drum but anyone who say's that Linux is not 
ready for the desktop needs to relook at it . Case in point my wife of 22 
years now age 44 had 2 strokes that paralyzed her left side and hurt her 
mental capabilities as well . I have been gradually weaning her away from 
windows for about 6 months now and she has very little problems with Linux . 
Now considering that she has some short term memory loss and some long term 
memory loss I think that say's bundles for the ease of use of Mandrake. 
Balance that against that against the fact that she had used windows for 
about 6 years prior to this with numerous problems with it both pre stroke 
and post stroke (2 Strokes back to back in Dec of 1998 ) She love it and its 
ease of use. I on the otherhand am still learning everyday and get myself 
into more trouble than if I'd just stick with the basic Mandrake setup, Being 
a tinkerer of sorts I'm inclined to play to my deteriment on occassion and 
Thanks to the many willing and Knowledgeable Penguins out here in Newbie land 
( Civilme, Sridhar, Tom, and yes even Femme, as well as many more of you ) 
I'm able to fix most of my Foulups and bloopers. By the way I'm also a lurker 
and 9 times out of 10 someone must be psychic as one of you usually address 
the problem with a solution before I get to ask for help. Try that with 
windows and see if you get the same results. On the unfortunate side there 
are still a few programs that we still have to depend on before I can be 
totally windows free ( please hurry Quicken, So Now Your Cooking, Family tree 
, and Vehicle Records Systems.) . With that said I agree with Miark as to the 
fact it is ready now .Now off my Stump and back into the quiet existence 
again I go.

Hank Wangle 
SSGT Usmc(retired) 
   Because linux will never be a desktop OS for the masses IMO.
  Requires too much tech knowledge and most just want their machine to
  work.  Shrugs, My opinion.  I know its come a long way but its still got
  a longer way to go yet.

 I couldn't disagree more. Gnome and KDE are every bit as powerful as
 Winsux (more, really), and just as easy (well, KDE, anyway). This
 was true of my own conversion (a computer-literate chap), and for my
 wife (a computer-illiterate lass).

 I'd say Linux is ready for the desktop right now!

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Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread Henry B. Wangle Jr.

On Friday 03 May 2002 23:53, you wrote:
Normally I lurk but this time I have to Say a  Well Said  along with a 
Amen to that .

 I Bend but I do not break to eventually spring back with much force  
Unidentified French Underground Fighter.
 
 There is a war going on to deemphasize the individualism and the
 heroism that characterized times in our recent past.  Some years ago,
 for instance, a man (bystander) saw a young woman being victimized by a
 bunch of gang members; probably on her way to being raped, injured, and
 worse.  He single handedly took on the scumballs, and IF memory serves I
 believe he rescued the lady and ended up running the gang off, probably
 saving her life.  I can't remember if he actually killed any of those
 criminals or not, but the gist of it was that the state ended up taking
 the good samaritan to court because they stated that it was the job of
 the police to protect the citizens and not he.

 Further.the crime rate of any country has been shown to
 statistically increase when the law abiding populace is disarmed, yet
 still the liberals continue to slide laws in that push defensive weapons
 out of the hands of the law abiding public. There's only one purpose
 that this could serve, and a reasonable person must assume that the
 instigators are aware of that purpose.

 See the book: More Guns, Less Crime : Understanding Crime and
 Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.).) by
 John R., Jr. Lott

 In California, registration leads to confiscation.  Even worse, in
 Massachusets for example, if you are attacked in your own home by an
 intruder, by law you cannot defend yourself; you are *required* to run
 away.  By state law.  If you do defend yourself and injure the intruder
 you risk ending up in jail yourself.  My question is, how in the hell
 did those laws get passed in front of the public eye?

 Fortunately in the state of North Carolina we are still allowed to kill
 home intruders if we can convince a jury that we were in fear of our
 lives (or those of our loved ones) at the time that the home intrusion
 took place.  Most everyone I know is armed for home defense and has
 adequate defense measures in place accordingly.  Other states have
 better gun laws than this state (read: less restrictive on law abiding
 tax paying citizens), such as Texas, Tennessee, and a few others I can't
 remember.

 I sound like I'm ranting here, but as I intimated before, the tapestry
 of this situation is quite large; and it all ties in together.  I just
 focus here on some of the more vital and important problems; such as
 your recourse if a terrorist/criminal breaks into your family home and
 puts your wife/kids in mortal danger.  For those peeps in the US, if you
 haven't already, I suggest that you take a careful look at your
 local/state laws.

 The bottom line is that all this stuff ties in together at some
 juncture.  The liberal NEA, the teacher's union, the liberal gun control
 laws, the liberal media that supports Palestine instead of the Israeli
 democracy (CNN, the commie news network), the DMCA, the choke hold on
 our information sources, the practice of being taught what to think
 instead of how to think in our public schools, the erosion of public
 ethical standards, and finally the lack of personal individual rights
 that we are beginning to suffer at the hands of the RIAA, MicroShaft,
 Senator Hollings of South Carolina, Hollywood and others.  Our
 individual rights and identities are being legistlated out of existence
 via financial might and it happens to be a liberal movement.  Bush has
 nominated over 100 justices to the Supreme Court bench and the Democrats
 have only let 50 or so of them through.  This is kind of like me
 pretending to hide while I slap your face, then I laugh about it in
 front of you because I don't think you're smart enough to know I slapped
 you.  If that makes any sense.

 I will say this, though.  From what I've been hearing lately, the Jewish
 people that *were* democrats in the US have of late publicly revolted;
 therefore they indeed have seen the light.  This is a big deal for the
 democrats, because of course the Jewish folk are by and large quite
 affluent; that of course means a big dent in that financial might that
 I spoke of earlier.  Funny.right after that word went up, either
 today or yesterday the Dems stated openly their support of Israel
 (wether by law or by speech I am not sure, i was out of town today),
 thus at long suffering last giving the Israelis what is rightly theirs,
 NAMELY a carte blanc to handle terrorists in their region AS THEY SEE
 FIT.

 How does this apply to our computer rights?  Well, for one thing it
 shows that the voter power in our nation IS STILL INTACT.  That means
 that if we wanted toI mean IF WE REALLY WANTED TO, we could easily
 back the Electronic Frontier Foundation to the point that the DMCA and
 the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television act would be nothing

[newbie] Ta foda

2002-05-02 Thread J. Castro Jr.

será q alguém de bom senso desta lista pode me dizetr como sair?
não posso mais ficar apagando 200 mails por dia e não tenho tempo pra isto.
vou começar a apelar com msgs indesejadas se não me tirarem daki.
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[newbie] recovering files after formatting

2002-04-07 Thread Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr

Hi
I have mistakenly formatted a partition with some important data
while installing Mandrake 8.2.
The partition is still there with same size etc.
Any chance I can recover the data?

Thanks
P.J.

Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr
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Universidade Federal do Parana'
Caixa Postal 19.081
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[newbie] test

2002-03-26 Thread Abraham E Mandac Jr

Please ignore.



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[newbie] I'm Locked Out!

2002-03-24 Thread Donald Everett Gulmire, Jr.

I just installed the new and improved Mandrake 8.2.  It was harder to get 
my DSL up than with the 8.1.  I've only been running Linux for about three 
weeks.  I like the CDRom icons, but there is one problem.  My Floppy, and my 
two CDRoms are locked.  Even to super user.  I thought it was a permission 
problem, but I can't get in.  What should I do.  By the way, thanks for 
answering my questions without flaming the heck out of me.  I guess I'm used 
to some ruff newsgroups.

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[newbie] Shame we live in diff countries and all

2002-03-12 Thread Henry B. Wangle Jr

Guy, Arkansas  USA
Presently 40F slightly cloudy, 
Tomorrow just wait it will change




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Re: [newbie] Uptime in e-mail sig

2002-02-01 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr

On Friday 01 February 2002 12:12,(Johnson, David, typed:
 How do people get their current uptime info into their e-mail
 signature?
---
Friday 01 February 2002  -- 13:49  68degF cloudy

Here is a piece of a message I ripped from Tom to do mine with David...

.

Tom Said:
You can create a text file and 'chmod -x' it to run any suitable
executable, eg, /usr/bin/uptime.  I do this with kmail by making my
sig
executable and placing   /usr/games/fortune  in it as the last line.
So
while it probly varies with email clients, it should be easy to do.

  my sig:
echo  Tom Brinkman _ South Texas, USA_
echo
/usr/games/fortune


here is my complete executable file in /home/olly/sigprog 
...
   #this is a ollymade sig file for e-mail
echo Olly P. Biloxi  Mississippi     Linux MDK 8.0 and
 echo  2.4.3-20 mdk Kmail 2.1.1
echo ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram
echo
 /usr/games/fortune

 echo
 /usr/bin/uptime
...
just put the path to this script in your kmail...
here is the result ...neat huh?
pay attention to (echo)

Ps...I did not have anything to do with Johnsons law...it came from 
fortune just as it is grin

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Re: [newbie] VMware newsgroup

2002-01-30 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr

On Wednesday 30 January 2002 13:43, Marcia typed:
 Dear All,

 I have been trying to set up my Knode with the vmware email newsgroup
 and I must be doing something wrong. Whenever I try to send or
 receive mail it says there is an error- cannot resolve hostname or
 something like that. Could anyone help me set up the vmware
 newsgroup? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I have LM8.1 and
 want to install the vmware 2.04 , but I  have not been able to do so
 yet. I am hoping to get some answers from the newsgroup since I have
 not been able to make it work with the suggestions offered here so
 far.  Thanks for all of your help.

Wednesday 30 January 2002--14:52

I dial in with KPPP Marcia, and when I have a connection to my ISP 
running...I use other programs .  sometimes when I trigger a line in 
KNODE without being connected to the ISP it gives me the same 
message...so no line in will cause it to do that ., my netnews server 
does not require a login or password...perhaps yours does?

Do you have netnews set up in netscape navigator? can you get to it 
from there? 

Last night I set up SLRNPULL to snag newsgroups from the same server 
and put them on a  local /var/spool then read them with SLRN.

At the moment I have netnews all over the place grin  all from the 
KPPP connection.  make a check to see if your server requires 
authentication...?
luck

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This process can check if this value is zero, and if it is, it does
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Re: [newbie] Linux and Disk Managers

2002-01-14 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr

On Monday 14 January 2002 11:38, Larry typed:
clipped
   When I first installed MaxBlast, I allowed it to partition the
 drive. When I tried to install Linux
 the disk partitioning software got confused and trashed the whole
 partition table. I thought
 that perhaps Linux didn't like the way MaxBlast created the
 partitions so I used a Win98
 boot disk and fdisk to create the two Windows partitions. Tried to
 install Linux again today
 and still get the LIL thing.

---
2002-01-14 17:13

Larry, I do not have the expertise to explain this in a valid technical 
manner...but I have went through the same drill...and discovered this.

you do not need the maxblast software for Linux...Linux addresses the 
disc differently...

get rid of the maxblast
put the MS system below the bios cutoff point
as long as the bios can reach linux boot ,Linux will read the rest of 
the 20G .

I have no overlay program and use the whole 20Glinux will see it 
microsoft will not.

If you need more details, fire me a mail  ..I cannot explain the 
methods used by the two systems but I can make it work.

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Re: [newbie] Has our list-server gotX-MAS hiccups ? 2nd try

2001-12-26 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr

I donno..perhaps I still have a mail problem? I posted this 24hrs ago 
and it went to the bit bucket in the sky? this is a test repost..olly P
 
#c0; text-decoration: none; }Re: [newbie] Has our list-server got 
X-MAS hiccups ?  (Oliver L. Plaine Jr,  Tue Dec 25 11:42:12 2001)

On Tuesday 25 December 2001 07:13, Kaj was quoting his friend.

  Have you ever come across this before. As of a day or two ago, I
  can no longer post to the newbie list on Mandrake. My emails are
  constantly being returned as errors. I called my ISP and asked them
  to look into the matter. I can receive email from the list, so I am
  still subscribed to it. I am including the latest error message
  from my ISP if it'll help. I can also send and receive email from
  everyone else in my address book, but not 'to' the 'Newbie' list!
  I even tried using my wifes machine to post to the list, still
  nothing.

--
Tue Dec 25 11:23:34 2001  61degF and cloudy

Happy holidays Y'all
 I had this problem just last week...I could not post to newbie 
, 
although I could receive OK...and I could not resub as the MDK server 
refused to accept anything from me
 Other people in my address book received my messages OK it 
seemed but 
then I discovered that anyone on AOL was not getting them either.

 My problem turned out to beas I was fooling with Kmail I 
misspelled  worldnet in the from line as wroldnet but the reply to 
address was spelled correctly. most ISP's do not check to see if a 
sender uses a valid addressbut evidently AOL and newbie  does? as 
they rejected my messages.I suppose that is a anti spam thing?

double check those spellings, I overlooked that one a dozen 
times...also look for a random period that you finger may have put in 
by itself?

 like the tester once said (paraphrased)those tiny 
viruses get 
their sharp little claws into my keyboard

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Re: [newbie] Has our list-server got X-MAS hiccups ?

2001-12-25 Thread Oliver L. Plaine Jr

On Tuesday 25 December 2001 07:13, Kaj typed:

  Have you ever come across this before. As of a day or two ago, I
  can no longer post to the newbie list on Mandrake. My emails are
  constantly being returned as errors. I called my ISP and asked them
  to look into the matter. I can receive email from the list, so I am
  still subscribed to it. I am including the latest error message
  from my ISP if it'll help. I can also send and receive email from
  everyone else in my address book, but not 'to' the 'Newbie' list!
  I even tried using my wifes machine to post to the list, still
  nothing.
--
Tue Dec 25 11:23:34 2001  61degF and cloudy

Happy holidays Y'all
I had this problem just last week...I could not post to newbie , 
although I could receive OK...and I could not resub as the MDK server 
refused to accept anything from me
Other people in my address book received my messages OK it seemed but 
then I discovered that anyone on AOL was not getting them either.

My problem turned out to beas I was fooling with Kmail I 
misspelled  worldnet in the from line as wroldnet but the reply to 
address was spelled correctly. most ISP's do not check to see if a 
sender uses a valid addressbut evidently AOL and newbie  does? as 
they rejected my messages.I suppose that is a anti spam thing?

double check those spellings, I overlooked that one a dozen 
times...also look for a random period that you finger may have put in 
by itself?

like the tester once said (paraphrased)those tiny viruses get 
their sharp little claws into my keyboard

-- 
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Kmail 2.1.1
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Re: [newbie] New

2001-12-25 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr

On Tuesday 25 December 2001 22:53,  Ricky Parks typed:
 Hi, I am new to this mail listing, I don't really think this mail
 listing is going to help me but I though I would try any ways. I have
 been having some trouble getting my sound card and my network browsing
 to work. I am writting this from windows since I can get my e-mail
 working ether.

 I wanted to ask a question too. I heard of this program called wine.
 Can it realy let me play games like star craft on linux? Well I hope
 this listing helps me make the big step from windows to linux! Thanks
  all  :)
-
Tue Dec 25 22:22:11 2001

Yep Ricky...I am positive this list can and will help you...it is the 
best source of information I have found ,and is populated with the most 
knowledgable people (the actual users of this operating system).

In order to get help though, there are some things you must dotake 
each problem one at a time, and read all you can find about that 
specific thingthen attempt to accomplish the task. when you run 
astray. post to this list with a specific question...including the 
information needed to understand what you are working with...version, 
program, what trouble you are having...what hardware you are trying to 
run it on...etc Only then can anyone look into the crystal ball and 
help.
I cannot address wine as I don't use it...but some like it...
don't give up...this stuff will work.
good luck.

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Kmail 2.1.1
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what his grandson will be.
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Re: [newbie] docking apps dissappear

2001-12-23 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr

On Sunday 23 December 2001 09:28, Tom Brinkman typed:

 Olly, I don't know what's causing your problem, but have you
 tried enabling all the options on Kppp's Setup | Misc tab.  That's
 how I have it and Kppp docks into the panel, and a R-clk on it's all
 that's needed for disconnect.

--
Sun Dec 23 15:36:50 2001

Thanks for the response Tom...I tried all the KPPP tab settings but 
when I set it to dock to panel on connect instead of docking it 
disappears? a while back when discussing this problem with you I began 
to realize that it is not a case of a missing application. as I have 
discovered that anything that is scheduled to dock..vanishes instead? 
Kmoon , tea timer etc. so whatever enables the docking is 
defective...maybe?

I do have the clock on the panel and Kmixer...but I don't understand 
the difference in the way they are put there..which makes it hard to 
troubleshoot.

when I was running MDK 7.2 it did work as you say and I had the modem 
lights on the panelbut with MDK 8.0 it is not working...


   type 'xdpyinfo'  and under number of extensions: you'll see all
 the functions your video card is capable of. ie, you may or may not
 see RENDER.  RENDER is a function of XFree86 and your hardware, and
 AFAIK, while it's needed for anti-aliased font display, I doubt it
 has anything to do with your Kppp docking problem

it says number of extensions 20 and lists them, ...alas RENDER is not 
amongst the flock

I threw that in because it was the only error message that I could 
findand thought it might be implicated as the culprit? I'm sure you 
are correct...I was just wishing. grin.

I was planning to get another KPPP but now that I know that Kmoon and 
other docking are affected ,I doubt that  that would be logical...I 
don't know where to investigate at this time?

Thanks for your help Tom and happy holidays

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Kmail 2.1.1
ATX Plll 600mhz Asus CUBX ...384m PC133ram

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[newbie] docking apps dissappear

2001-12-22 Thread Oliver L. Plaine Jr

 Subsequent to my installation of MDK 8.0,, whenever I check 
the box in 
KPPP to dock the application, instead of docking as it did in MDK 7.2 
it just disappears? although the connection remains operable ...in 
order to shut it down ,I must kill the PID.

 I checked some other KDE dockable apps (teatimer and kmoon) 
both of 
which never appear from the menubut show a running PID in the 
system.

 I tried to innitiate them from a terminal and I get this error.

 [olly@localhost olly]$ kmoon
Xlib:  extension RENDER missing on display :0.0.

-
Assuming this is the cause?   does it mean I don't have some component 
installed?  everything else seems to function OK would there be an 
RPM with this render extension?

ORis it a matter of editing some init file to allow render to 
render?

I don't have a clue for a direction to pursue the problem, or attempt 
to render a solution ..8-).. and would appreciate someone  giving me 
a little advice.

gratefully yours

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Re: [newbie] ISA sound PCI modem and IRQ4

2001-10-31 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:59:54 -0600, you wrote:

you could try setting that in your bios.  In your bios under advanced  pci 
configuration  pci/pnp isa resource exclusion, change:  irq 5 used by isa   
from NO to Yes.   
hth,
-s
--
31Oct01 1518hrs Ct

Your suggestion S, was of course perfect.

I once knew that 8-)...thanks for reteaching me.   and...it wasn't a
MDK linux related problem, both of which seem to indicate my 60yr old
mind is beginning to soften embarrassed Grin

My gratitude to the gentleman named S

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[newbie] ISA sound PCI modem and IRQ4

2001-10-30 Thread Oliver L.Plaine Jr.

30Oct01 1617hrs Ct

Hello
My ATX Plll 600, with a Asus CUBX MB has a Crystal isa sound
card and a Zoom PCI Modem. Both of these worked in MDK 7.2

With the PNP turned off in the bios, W98 detects sound on IRQ5
and the modem on IRQ4...in this configuration the hardware functions
nicely.
In MDK8 both are assigned IRQ4...in conflict.How can I
convince Linux to use IRQ5 for the sound card?   I need some command
similar to setserial that will assign IRQ's?  setirq 8-).

Is there a way to change this? or should I sell the PC and buy a
gameboy?8-)

thanks for any suggestions
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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 08:25 pm, you wrote:
 And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed
 properly. Not cop out with uncertainty.

 I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears
 unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
 consider switching to Linux.

 ==

 You missunderstood me again

 I made that point to indicate that if the web becomes IE only (can
 anyone deny that that
 is what M$ want?)  people won't have the choice,,, I don't actually
 care if people want
 to use linux or not... I care that people have the choice to use
 whatever they want.

What they want, and what they can do are two separate things. 
Controlling the WORLD wide web would be significantly harder than 
their attempts to control the OS market. If the US fails to stop them,
the European Union, Australia, Asia, and other regions get their 
crack at them.

The Internet will not stand to be controlled by Microsoft. There
are too many people running Linux. Macs, Amigas, ect. for this to
happen. 

The WORST that will happen is that third party browsers will
have to learn how parse Microsoft's proprietary web code. 
Afterall, Star Office can read Word documents.

In fact, if it weren't for Linux, the government's case against 
Microsoft might have come sooner

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A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote:
 Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles.
 (I may make a note of that in the warning.)

 It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw
 attention to themselves.

 Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there
 isn't much in it.


Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is 
MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically 
integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster. 
There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I 
can dig some up. 

 IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it
 doesn't support Java
 applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps
 the support, other
 wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports
 stuff that wc3 don't.


IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4. 

I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't 
display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one 
page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then,
would a message be in order. Though make sure you
point out that Opera has the same problem.

 I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that
 its not our choice
 of browser and detailing some reasons why.


Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of 
harassment. You are making a political statement when 
you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate 
IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded
with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test
out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're 
taking. 

You are entitled to place a best viewed with text
at the bottom of your page because I realize there's
always going to be one browser that looks a little
better than another, but to state that you won't even try 
and make your page viewable to roughly two thirds of 
the web population is ridiculous.

This is about giving people a choice. This is why I'm
upset as MS. It's not about herding people into a certain 
direction by using scare tactics. I haven't heard much 
in the way of truth from 
you *OR* them. 


 We need to do something like this, we can't be underhanded about it
 like them, but we
 can't afford to sit by while they carry on..


Do something about WHAT? I think the peanut gallery has spoken
on the MSN.com scandel. Everybody agrees it was universally stupid 
of them and that they were full of crap. 

MSN.com still looks fine in Mozilla 0.95 as of five minutes ago. 

 who knows, if M$ .NET takes off, we may one day end up in a
 situation where nothing not
 IE will be able to browse any .NET supporting site...


Until that day comes, stick with the facts

 Do you think they wouldn't do that if they could get away with
 it

 This is very serious,,  I really believe something like this is a
 good way of educating
 people... The truth always prevales, but only if people hear it.


Then start telling the truth. 

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A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 05:41 pm, you wrote:
 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:45:52 -0800, John Hokanson Jr.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote:
   Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and
   articles. (I may make a note of that in the warning.)
  
   It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw
   attention to themselves.
  
   Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and
   there isn't much in it.
 
  Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is
  MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically
  integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster.
  There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I
  can dig some up.

 What do you mean by MUCH faster? If you mean time to execute,
 then you are correct, because most of IE executes at bootup whether
 you want it or not. If you talking about page rendering speed
 (which IMHO is far more important), then Mozilla blows everything
 else out of the water.

I find the page rendering speed in MZ 0.95 to be roughly comparible
to IE 5.5, while the startup time is somewhere in the order of 4-5 
times slower. If Browser.com is to be believed, the page rendering of
Netscape 6 (which uses Gecko engine), is still less than that of 
IE 5.5. 

http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227883-8-3607741-3.html?tag=st.sw.
3227883-8-3607741-1.DIR.3227883-8-3607741-3

 Note that Mozilla isn't 1.0 yet - there is a
 good chance that it has not been fully optimised yet, and that it
 has the potential to be _much_ faster.'

I won't agrue against that. Though I'm skeptical 1.0 will benefit 
from a perfomance boost. I'll bet money that performance won't be
addressed to any real degree until revision 2.0. The current trend 
seems to be focused on piling on the features (bloat). 

MZ is a fine browser and worthy of the Netscape legacy, but it needs 
a lot of tweeking. Personally, I would like to see a feature-freeze 
initiated after 1.0 so that what they already have can be refined.

They also should consider bringing the memory footprint down.


   IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it
   doesn't support Java
   applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it
   keeps the support, other
   wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and
   supports stuff that wc3 don't.
 
  IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4.

 You'll never know that for sure unless you do some _real_ tests.

My definition of a real test is to connect with a variety of different
browsers and see how the page looks in each one. It lacks elegance,
but it's foolproof. HTML validators are cute, but I only find them 
useful in checking code integrity for the benefit of browsers I don't 
test the page in. 

 Browsers like IE are designed to find alternatives to functions
 pages which they don't support, so they can at least _look_ like
 they handling the code well. Also remember that most people design
 sites for IE, not for W3C standards.


You're missing the point, which is that it's the webdesigner's
responsibility to ensure his code meets W3C standards and 
looks good in browsers other than IE. You can not lay this 
one on MS's doorstep. If you don't take the time to learn 
proper HTML, you get what you deserve. And contrary to 
what you or anybody else says, MSIE will render proper
HTML if you take the time to use proper HTML.

I myself type the majority of code by hand.  

  I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't
  display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one
  page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then,
  would a message be in order. Though make sure you
  point out that Opera has the same problem.

 CSS is becoming increasingly popular, particularly for large sites.
 CSS has the potential to make web design much easier. MS's claim
 that they support CSS1 is simply a lie. Again, most people design
 their sites for browsers (particularly IE), not standards (which is
 a real shame).


I can't argue with that last point, other than to say that this entire
thread wouldn't be faced with my ire if this were specifically about
CSS. If you want to specifically put this warning pop-up on CSS 
pages, your case would be all the much stronger. 

   I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them
   that its not our choice
   of browser and detailing some reasons why.
 
  Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of
  harassment. You are making a political statement when
  you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate
  IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded
  with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test
  out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're
  taking.

 You have a point there.


Thank you.

  You are entitled to place a best viewed with text
  at the bottom of your page because I realize there's
  always going to be one browser that looks a little
  better

Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 06:02 pm, you wrote:
 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:43:08 -0800, John Hokanson Jr.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  On Monday 29 October 2001 09:11 am, you wrote:
   Actually, I made no reference to linux at all...
  
   simply open standards and free software, thats all.
 
  Then say so. Don't tell people they might not be able to view
  your site with MSIE. That runs counter to all the whole point of
  the web, which is to make information available to as many
  people as possible. If you can't ensure that 2/3rds or more
  of all web surfers can view your site, you are a poor web
  designer just like the idiot's who use client-side VBScript.
  Whether you hate MS or not is really irrelevant.

 No, the message is saying that IE users may not be able to view the
 site _properly_. They are not being blocked, just warned.

And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed 
properly. Not cop out with uncertainty. 



  So basically, you want people to switch browsers so they switch
  to Linux. It seems to me you have little concern for freedom of
  web navigation.

 Leave Linux out of this. The issue is on standards-compliance.

I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears 
unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
consider switching to Linux. 

Too me, this campaign reeks of ulterior motive. Just like a 
certain Redmond Washington-based software giant. 

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plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
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