Re: CSPPM vs uS
ME TOO, GLAD WE GOT THAT OUT IN THE OPEN. NUF SAID. TEL TOFFLEMIRE ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO 87114 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest! All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS reading! But I have learnt a lot! Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew. Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did. Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue. Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Hallo Asif, Thank you for your detailed info. I have saved it because (I think) it is info that is not common knowledge here. What sort of current control are you using. I use a simple fet circuit for the 1mA setting and it seems to work very well. I'm not sure that will reliably turn down to .25mA with a rod 1^2 area. Must try it soon. Regards, Tony Moody On 20 Jan 2012 at 16:14, Asif Nathekar wrote about : Subject : Re: CSPPM vs uS I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest! All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS reading! But I have learnt a lot! Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew. Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did. Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue. Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Hi Tony, I use a circuit with a LM338T in a current control configuration although a LM317T can also be used with exactly the same bias/control values (I prefer the LM338T as I have read in a few places that in current control application its much better behaved than the LM317T especially in Low current scenarios such as 2ma which is where my setup needs to be (also forget 1ma its pretty much useless for that - which is why I only use it with large silver electrodes at 1.5ma ( I will be migrating to a LM334Z setup ASAP due to its much vastly more superior characteristics especially for the home brewer, However the LM338T is very easy to control and bias with resisters that are easy to obtain - hence why my current setup is based on this) For details see http://users.telenet.be/davshomepage/current-source.htm I have also used a LM334z which was very, very well behaved, when I wanted a travel Silver Generator for holidays, I used a flat 6 inch by 1/4 wide electrode and 2x9 volt batteries set at 0.3 ma. Although it took 10 hours to produce 300ml at 18uS reading. Electrodes spaced 3 inches apart, and no agitation. The LM334z is exceptionally well behaved for low current and has an excellent voltage range!...Operates from 1V to 40V, Programmable from 1µA to 10mA. Although because of the resister bias values it is a real pain to control with resisters, my advice is to use a variable multiturn resister of some sort to tweak it accurately, and to include diodes to correct for temperature since its very sensitive to temperature. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf see page 7 for the diode temperature compensated diagram and see below for the calculator http://www.a-ling.net/alweb/hifi/lm334_ccs_t_calc/lm334_ccs_t.htm I hope this helps Peace to all Asif. -- From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Hallo Asif, Thank you for your detailed info. I have saved it because (I think) it is info that is not common knowledge here. What sort of current control are you using. I use a simple fet circuit for the 1mA setting and it seems to work very well. I'm not sure that will reliably turn down to .25mA with a rod 1^2 area. Must try it soon. Regards, Tony Moody On 20 Jan 2012 at 16:14, Asif Nathekar wrote about : Subject : Re: CSPPM vs uS I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest! All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS reading! But I have learnt a lot! Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew. Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did. Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue. Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I am a little confused though. If you get a clear brew that you think is primarily ionic,the idea is that this immediately makes silver chloride in the stomach and is quickly excreted. Silver chloride is perhaps not good for argyria either? Im not clear on it yet. Making silver citrate is supposed to circumvent this. After all of the posts, you say your predominantly ionic brew is just what you want thanks mg On 1/20/2012 1:54 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hi Tony, I use a circuit with a LM338T in a current control configuration although a LM317T can also be used with exactly the same bias/control values (I prefer the LM338T as I have read in a few places that in current control application its much better behaved than the LM317T especially in Low current scenarios such as 2ma which is where my setup needs to be (also forget 1ma its pretty much useless for that - which is why I only use it with large silver electrodes at 1.5ma ( I will be migrating to a LM334Z setup ASAP due to its much vastly more superior characteristics especially for the home brewer, However the LM338T is very easy to control and bias with resisters that are easy to obtain - hence why my current setup is based on this) For details see http://users.telenet.be/davshomepage/current-source.htm I have also used a LM334z which was very, very well behaved, when I wanted a travel Silver Generator for holidays, I used a flat 6 inch by 1/4 wide electrode and 2x9 volt batteries set at 0.3 ma. Although it took 10 hours to produce 300ml at 18uS reading. Electrodes spaced 3 inches apart, and no agitation. The LM334z is exceptionally well behaved for low current and has an excellent voltage range!...Operates from 1V to 40V, Programmable from 1µA to 10mA. Although because of the resister bias values it is a real pain to control with resisters, my advice is to use a variable multiturn resister of some sort to tweak it accurately, and to include diodes to correct for temperature since its very sensitive to temperature. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf see page 7 for the diode temperature compensated diagram and see below for the calculator http://www.a-ling.net/alweb/hifi/lm334_ccs_t_calc/lm334_ccs_t.htm I hope this helps Peace to all Asif. -- From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Hallo Asif, Thank you for your detailed info. I have saved it because (I think) it is info that is not common knowledge here. What sort of current control are you using. I use a simple fet circuit for the 1mA setting and it seems to work very well. I'm not sure that will reliably turn down to .25mA with a rod 1^2 area. Must try it soon. Regards, Tony Moody On 20 Jan 2012 at 16:14, Asif Nathekar wrote about : Subject : Re: CSPPM vs uS I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest! All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS reading! But I have learnt a lot! Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew. Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did. Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue. Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner
RE: CSPPM vs uS
Nah, you didn't kick any hornets nest.
You're doing exactly what I said. The home producer NEEDS something to enable
them to get repeatable values to aim for, and failing laboratory testing on
many many batches ongoing, a meter is the best one can do. I also stop around
that 20uS reading, the reading will go down anyway for every day it sits in
storage until a point of stabilisation has been reached. What does that tell
me? It tells me that some of those Ag+ ions are being lost to ion clusters
{particles}, so effectively I have a choice between using a solution that is
highest in Ag+ ion content {immediately upon cessation of the brewing process}
or I can use a lesser Ag+ ion content solution by using it anytime later after
it's been in storage, and I believe there is a difference in efficacy between
those two for a given usage and how it is used, i.e.; drank straight down as
opposed to swirled under tongue for a few minutes or used on open wounds etc
etc.
I speak for myself only but an EC or PPM meter matters not to me, they all
provide valuable ballpark information I can use. As long as the home producer
is *IN* that ballpark, that's the best he/she can hope for. If meters were
THAT inaccurate I'd be ending up with mud or something equally nasty after
being in storage.
There's a lot of material available in the public domain, but most is just
repeated from someone or somewhere else, and a lot of that is misinformation.
At the end of the day the individual will be forced to make some determinations
of their own after some time spent reading and researching as much as they can.
Colour:...I'm not fussed if it's clear or yellow, as long as it remains
transparent I'm satisfied it's of excellent quality, despite what I've read to
the contrary. I sometimes end up with a coloured solution cos there are many
reasons for that, but visual observation for any abnormalities tells me the
product is still first class.
Chloride etc:...I'm also not satisfied that acids, peroxides, ammonias etc
within the blood/body don't have some other effect on the product when
ingested, and I don't personally believe anyone else does either, not enough
information available in the public domain {opinion}. Formation of silver
chloride may be chemically correct, but who knows what else goes on with other
substances within the human body/blood?
As far as I'm concerned, if you haven't got any mud/sludge, floating crap etc
etc after days/weeks or months in storage you've got the best that can be
produced using LVDC in the home {opinion}.
As I said earlier here, the individual will have to decide for themselves at
some point.
Sounds to me like you're making good stuff, keep it that way and you'll be fine.
Disclaimer g:...I act and speak for myself only using my own research for
determining what constitutes an A1 product.
N.
Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS
From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:14:53 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest!
All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS
reading!
But I have learnt a lot!
Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large
and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i
believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything
typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it
seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its
done as much as it can.
The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others.
Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that
On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with
less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster
and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew.
Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma
per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and
haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did.
Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue.
Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my
CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb
and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again
it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good
enough.
Thank you again for the discussion.
And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek
knowledge and those who are new to all this.
Peace to all
Asif.
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Re: CSPPM vs uS
Way to go N. It's been a while since I have read the truth--that matters. Most blind people could make good quality CS if the truth was known. Don't leave the site. We need real thinkers too. Tel Tofflemire
RE: CSPPM vs uS
I'll second this. I would miss your posts if you left. PT From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:02 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Way to go N. It's been a while since I have read the truth--that matters. Most blind people could make good quality CS if the truth was known. Don't leave the site. We need real thinkers too. Tel Tofflemire No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4746 - Release Date: 01/16/12
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There should be a frequently asked question and answer file with the list. Repeated dumb questions are annoying and don't get answered properly anyway. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: Now, now, keep it civil. Problem? Where? But I think if you whistle, I'll point. Lot of fancy talk and misleading info in that blog. I use far less paraphernalia than that, as most on this planet do, and I store my product in clear glass storage vessels, and mine doesn't degrade after months in storage. I definitely don't need to scrape anything off the surface of the water??? The only thing I'll concede is that I store mine in a cupboard, but apart from that what you produce is no better to what I produce, and that of most everyone else out there. Failing a suitable response to my request for your laboratory analysis reports, I rest my case. N. -- Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:03:47 + Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: mothman...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Take your problem somewhere else On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: 8-12ppm would be acceptable for *anyone* wishing to produce 10ppm in the home with LVDC using whatever meter they choose! And I was asked for considerably more than 20ml when I had my lab tests done using AAS. No meter is hopelessly inadequate for the home producer, they are a guide to repeatable production levels of silver relative to the individuals methods, means and practices of production in the kitchen, regardless of how inaccurate they may be. ANY meter is better than none for the home producer for the purpose of approximating silver content in what an individual is making. Most home producers have not the means for laboratory analysis so what do they do? Stop making their own and purchase a product just because a ppm is written on the label? A uS or EC meter is the best the punter can do, or a TDS meter and doubling the reading, how accurate does the punter need to be in the scheme of things home produced? In my opinion it's this sort of information that is potentially confusing and misleading for the punter, and will have them thinking they *MAY?* not be producing a good quality product in the home without a laboratory analysis...which is total bunkum and balderdash! If there is nil mud or gravel or other abnormalities observable in their product after days/weeks or months in storage, it's as good as can be made, using a meter of their choosing as a guide! Could you put up laboratory analysis results of 5 consecutive dated batch samples you had tested indicating total silver content for each, and brewed for identical time frames? I'm the voice of an uneducated punter, humour me. N.
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Unless this List is exclusive to 'experts?' the every day EIS producer does not need to read more misinformation, there is plenty of that anywhere one wishes to look. This List has always been above that, but I guess some get their backs up when some home truths are told...If the cap fits, wear it! One *DOES NOT* need to store properly made EIS in dark storage containers...Myth number 1!EIS properly produced *DOES NOT* degrade over time...Myth number 2!Most home producers *DO NOT* use all that paraphernalia to produce their EIS, so what's the point of steering people toward that guff. Ulterior motive? nudge nudge wink wink.*ALL* products produced in the home using LVDC are the same - predominantly ionic silver solutions.*ALL* products produced in the home using LVDC will be at worst *EQUAL* to, and in most cases BETTER than anything else available if attention and diligence is applied to the production process and methodology.One should *NOT* have to scrape any scum or crud off the top of the water after production, if they do, then something is amiss and they'd better study up.The inference that meters are useless is absolute and utter hogwash. They certainly don't come close to laboratory analysis I concede, but are most certainly useful in indicating an approximation of silver in the home produced product for the average punter to enable or assist them to get repeatable values to aim for in their brewing process. Brewing 20 litres at a time may suit some, but most home producers on this planet brew far less than that, and mainly for their own usage so there is no need to rig up such an elaborate production facility. I always considered this List to be open to all in learning worthwhile information, if not, then I won't lose any sleep if I'm booted off, I won't be the first and I dare say I won't be the last, but the last thing a newcomer to this stuff, or anyone else for that matter, needs is more of the same misinformation they can find anywhere else. And if/when people don't answer it's cos I'm the only one that calls a spade a spade, as opposed to a 'long wooden handled digging implement'. If I get flak for that, then so be it! Adios from the uneducated truth seeker. N. Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:00:03 -0600 Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: mnels...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com There should be a frequently asked question and answer file with the list. Repeated dumb questions are annoying and don't get answered properly anyway. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Now, now, keep it civil. Problem? Where? But I think if you whistle, I'll point. Lot of fancy talk and misleading info in that blog. I use far less paraphernalia than that, as most on this planet do, and I store my product in clear glass storage vessels, and mine doesn't degrade after months in storage. I definitely don't need to scrape anything off the surface of the water??? The only thing I'll concede is that I store mine in a cupboard, but apart from that what you produce is no better to what I produce, and that of most everyone else out there. Failing a suitable response to my request for your laboratory analysis reports, I rest my case. N. Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:03:47 + Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: mothman...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Take your problem somewhere else On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: 8-12ppm would be acceptable for *anyone* wishing to produce 10ppm in the home with LVDC using whatever meter they choose! And I was asked for considerably more than 20ml when I had my lab tests done using AAS. No meter is hopelessly inadequate for the home producer, they are a guide to repeatable production levels of silver relative to the individuals methods, means and practices of production in the kitchen, regardless of how inaccurate they may be. ANY meter is better than none for the home producer for the purpose of approximating silver content in what an individual is making. Most home producers have not the means for laboratory analysis so what do they do? Stop making their own and purchase a product just because a ppm is written on the label? A uS or EC meter is the best the punter can do, or a TDS meter and doubling the reading, how accurate does the punter need to be in the scheme of things home produced? In my opinion it's this sort of information that is potentially confusing and misleading for the punter, and will have them thinking they *MAY?* not be producing a good quality product in the home without a laboratory analysis...which is total bunkum and balderdash! If there is nil mud or gravel or other abnormalities observable in their product after days/weeks or months in storage, it's as good as can be made, using a meter of their choosing as a guide! Could you put up laboratory analysis results of 5 consecutive dated batch
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Dumb question -- is the Hanna Tester a uS meter? MA From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 12, 2012 7:55:17 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Wrong D Glover! uS meters are very close to spot on. We had samples analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling about it. We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose. TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving much info about the water purity. They're the equivalent of litmus paper. Trem - Original Message - From: D Glover To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
The minute power is removed from the electrodes, conductivity starts dropping and may drop as much as 50% Once it has stopped dropping. then the uS number is about the same number as derived by a device that actually measures PPM. A PPM [TDS] meter roughly doubles the uS value of the solution. Beyond around 30 uS, PPM/TDC and EC meters become pretty much useless as more and more ions are forced to become non-conductive particulates in that super saturated media. Ken At 09:47 AM 1/12/2012 +, you wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Hanna does make TDS meters and they are identified as TDS. The PWT meter is marked uS and also PWT Trem - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Dumb question -- is the Hanna Tester a uS meter? MA -- From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 12, 2012 7:55:17 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Wrong D Glover! uS meters are very close to spot on. We had samples analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling about it. We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose. TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving much info about the water purity. They're the equivalent of litmus paper. Trem - Original Message - From: D Glover To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ken, Don't you mean the TDS meter halves the uS value of the solution? Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:18 AM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS The minute power is removed from the electrodes, conductivity starts dropping and may drop as much as 50% Once it has stopped dropping. then the uS number is about the same number as derived by a device that actually measures PPM. A PPM [TDS] meter roughly doubles the uS value of the solution. Beyond around 30 uS, PPM/TDC and EC meters become pretty much useless as more and more ions are forced to become non-conductive particulates in that super saturated media. Ken At 09:47 AM 1/12/2012 +, you wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Yes, I should have said whatever the name for the meter is, rather than what it measures. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I think you mean don't bother with a PWT meter. Dan On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, D Glover mothman...@gmail.com wrote: Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Hi Trem, when I read the thread I saw that uS was what was being measured, no mention of one of your meters was there, so naturally assumed a TDS meter was being referred to. Your meter is something new to me, though I think my method would still be vastly more accurate. http://www.silvergen.com/ppm_meter.htm If I wanted 10ppm then 12ppm or 8 ppm would be acceptable from your meter I suppose, though my equipment was designed to be able to reproduce exact ppm values repeatedly, accepting a little wearage on the electrodes. I see your equipment will be very useful to measure ppm after the sol has been made, in providing a relatively narrow bandwidth of values to calibrate equipment with (though most suggestions I see for silver sol making equipment with repeatable ppm values, and their instructions for using it are hopelessly inadequate for this purpose. Dave On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Dumb question -- is the Hanna Tester a uS meter? MA -- *From:* Trem t...@silvergen.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 12, 2012 7:55:17 PM *Subject:* Re: CSPPM vs uS Wrong D Glover! uS meters are very close to spot on. We had samples analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling about it. We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose. TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving much info about the water purity. They're the equivalent of litmus paper. Trem - Original Message - *From:* D Glover mothman...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM *Subject:* Re: CSPPM vs uS Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPPM vs uS
8-12ppm would be acceptable for *anyone* wishing to produce 10ppm in the home with LVDC using whatever meter they choose! And I was asked for considerably more than 20ml when I had my lab tests done using AAS. No meter is hopelessly inadequate for the home producer, they are a guide to repeatable production levels of silver relative to the individuals methods, means and practices of production in the kitchen, regardless of how inaccurate they may be. ANY meter is better than none for the home producer for the purpose of approximating silver content in what an individual is making. Most home producers have not the means for laboratory analysis so what do they do? Stop making their own and purchase a product just because a ppm is written on the label? A uS or EC meter is the best the punter can do, or a TDS meter and doubling the reading, how accurate does the punter need to be in the scheme of things home produced? In my opinion it's this sort of information that is potentially confusing and misleading for the punter, and will have them thinking they *MAY?* not be producing a good quality product in the home without a laboratory analysis...which is total bunkum and balderdash! If there is nil mud or gravel or other abnormalities observable in their product after days/weeks or months in storage, it's as good as can be made, using a meter of their choosing as a guide! Could you put up laboratory analysis results of 5 consecutive dated batch samples you had tested indicating total silver content for each, and brewed for identical time frames? I'm the voice of an uneducated punter, humour me. N. Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:05:13 + Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: mothman...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Trem, when I read the thread I saw that uS was what was being measured, no mention of one of your meters was there, so naturally assumed a TDS meter was being referred to. Your meter is something new to me, though I think my method would still be vastly more accurate. http://www.silvergen.com/ppm_meter.htm If I wanted 10ppm then 12ppm or 8 ppm would be acceptable from your meter I suppose, though my equipment was designed to be able to reproduce exact ppm values repeatedly, accepting a little wearage on the electrodes. I see your equipment will be very useful to measure ppm after the sol has been made, in providing a relatively narrow bandwidth of values to calibrate equipment with (though most suggestions I see for silver sol making equipment with repeatable ppm values, and their instructions for using it are hopelessly inadequate for this purpose. Dave On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Dumb question -- is the Hanna Tester a uS meter? MA From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 12, 2012 7:55:17 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Wrong D Glover! uS meters are very close to spot on. We had samples analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling about it. We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose. TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving much info about the water purity. They're the equivalent of litmus paper. Trem - Original Message - From: D Glover To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Take your problem somewhere else On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: 8-12ppm would be acceptable for *anyone* wishing to produce 10ppm in the home with LVDC using whatever meter they choose! And I was asked for considerably more than 20ml when I had my lab tests done using AAS. No meter is hopelessly inadequate for the home producer, they are a guide to repeatable production levels of silver relative to the individuals methods, means and practices of production in the kitchen, regardless of how inaccurate they may be. ANY meter is better than none for the home producer for the purpose of approximating silver content in what an individual is making. Most home producers have not the means for laboratory analysis so what do they do? Stop making their own and purchase a product just because a ppm is written on the label? A uS or EC meter is the best the punter can do, or a TDS meter and doubling the reading, how accurate does the punter need to be in the scheme of things home produced? In my opinion it's this sort of information that is potentially confusing and misleading for the punter, and will have them thinking they *MAY?* not be producing a good quality product in the home without a laboratory analysis...which is total bunkum and balderdash! If there is nil mud or gravel or other abnormalities observable in their product after days/weeks or months in storage, it's as good as can be made, using a meter of their choosing as a guide! Could you put up laboratory analysis results of 5 consecutive dated batch samples you had tested indicating total silver content for each, and brewed for identical time frames? I'm the voice of an uneducated punter, humour me. N. -- Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:05:13 + Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: mothman...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Trem, when I read the thread I saw that uS was what was being measured, no mention of one of your meters was there, so naturally assumed a TDS meter was being referred to. Your meter is something new to me, though I think my method would still be vastly more accurate. http://www.silvergen.com/ppm_meter.htm If I wanted 10ppm then 12ppm or 8 ppm would be acceptable from your meter I suppose, though my equipment was designed to be able to reproduce exact ppm values repeatedly, accepting a little wearage on the electrodes. I see your equipment will be very useful to measure ppm after the sol has been made, in providing a relatively narrow bandwidth of values to calibrate equipment with (though most suggestions I see for silver sol making equipment with repeatable ppm values, and their instructions for using it are hopelessly inadequate for this purpose. Dave On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Dumb question -- is the Hanna Tester a uS meter? MA -- *From:* Trem t...@silvergen.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 12, 2012 7:55:17 PM *Subject:* Re: CSPPM vs uS Wrong D Glover! uS meters are very close to spot on. We had samples analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling about it. We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose. TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving much info about the water purity. They're the equivalent of litmus paper. Trem - Original Message - *From:* D Glover mothman...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM *Subject:* Re: CSPPM vs uS Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know
RE: CSPPM vs uS
Now, now, keep it civil. Problem? Where? But I think if you whistle, I'll point. Lot of fancy talk and misleading info in that blog. I use far less paraphernalia than that, as most on this planet do, and I store my product in clear glass storage vessels, and mine doesn't degrade after months in storage. I definitely don't need to scrape anything off the surface of the water??? The only thing I'll concede is that I store mine in a cupboard, but apart from that what you produce is no better to what I produce, and that of most everyone else out there. Failing a suitable response to my request for your laboratory analysis reports, I rest my case. N. Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:03:47 + Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: mothman...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Take your problem somewhere else On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: 8-12ppm would be acceptable for *anyone* wishing to produce 10ppm in the home with LVDC using whatever meter they choose! And I was asked for considerably more than 20ml when I had my lab tests done using AAS. No meter is hopelessly inadequate for the home producer, they are a guide to repeatable production levels of silver relative to the individuals methods, means and practices of production in the kitchen, regardless of how inaccurate they may be. ANY meter is better than none for the home producer for the purpose of approximating silver content in what an individual is making. Most home producers have not the means for laboratory analysis so what do they do? Stop making their own and purchase a product just because a ppm is written on the label? A uS or EC meter is the best the punter can do, or a TDS meter and doubling the reading, how accurate does the punter need to be in the scheme of things home produced? In my opinion it's this sort of information that is potentially confusing and misleading for the punter, and will have them thinking they *MAY?* not be producing a good quality product in the home without a laboratory analysis...which is total bunkum and balderdash! If there is nil mud or gravel or other abnormalities observable in their product after days/weeks or months in storage, it's as good as can be made, using a meter of their choosing as a guide! Could you put up laboratory analysis results of 5 consecutive dated batch samples you had tested indicating total silver content for each, and brewed for identical time frames? I'm the voice of an uneducated punter, humour me. N.
CSPPM vs uS
Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPPM vs uS
Several variations to uS/PPM conversions but that's near enough for me without laboratory analysis. That's all I do, just halve it, and it's close enough when comparing the 3 meters I use. In the scheme of things with home produced EIS what's a ppm or three anyway? N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:47:51 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM vs uS Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I was reading that some people were considering uS as ppm for CS Which had me think was my 15us brew a 7/8 ppm or 15. The variance is large and given the discussions of high ppm recently it got me even more interested. On 12 Jan 2012, at 10:12, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Several variations to uS/PPM conversions but that's near enough for me without laboratory analysis. That's all I do, just halve it, and it's close enough when comparing the 3 meters I use. In the scheme of things with home produced EIS what's a ppm or three anyway? N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:47:51 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM vs uS Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Oops, back to front, variations for ppm to uS sounds better, sorry bout that. If I double the ppm reading on a TDS meter it's close enough to my uS meter. Don't need to halve a conductivity meter. It's about milligrams of silver by weight in 1 litre of water, and short of lab analysis an EC meter gives rough idea of silver content. With my EC and TDS meters I don't see any problem with a TDS meter and doubling the reading, or an EC meter and just reading it as it is. Much of a muchness in the home to me. N. Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:07:56 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com I was reading that some people were considering uS as ppm for CSWhich had me think was my 15us brew a 7/8 ppm or 15. The variance is large and given the discussions of high ppm recently it got me even more interested. On 12 Jan 2012, at 10:12, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Several variations to uS/PPM conversions but that's near enough for me without laboratory analysis. That's all I do, just halve it, and it's close enough when comparing the 3 meters I use. In the scheme of things with home produced EIS what's a ppm or three anyway? N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:47:51 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM vs uS Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I wasn't thinking about the ppm to uS ratio which is calibrated on my meter with some type of sodium solution. Rather I am interested in uS or ppm in CS . So if my meter says 15uS in my CS what should I *think* it is? I know there's is no perfect answer here given that we cannot measure the ionic component, but surely we can make some analogous understanding of ionic content from the ppm Thanks Peace and crunchy nut cornflakes to all! Regards Asif. On 12 Jan 2012, at 11:42, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Oops, back to front, variations for ppm to uS sounds better, sorry bout that. If I double the ppm reading on a TDS meter it's close enough to my uS meter. Don't need to halve a conductivity meter. It's about milligrams of silver by weight in 1 litre of water, and short of lab analysis an EC meter gives rough idea of silver content. With my EC and TDS meters I don't see any problem with a TDS meter and doubling the reading, or an EC meter and just reading it as it is. Much of a muchness in the home to me. N. Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:07:56 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com I was reading that some people were considering uS as ppm for CS Which had me think was my 15us brew a 7/8 ppm or 15. The variance is large and given the discussions of high ppm recently it got me even more interested. On 12 Jan 2012, at 10:12, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Several variations to uS/PPM conversions but that's near enough for me without laboratory analysis. That's all I do, just halve it, and it's close enough when comparing the 3 meters I use. In the scheme of things with home produced EIS what's a ppm or three anyway? N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:47:51 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM vs uS Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I think it is necessary to know the uS of the distilled water you start with, before you can say uS can be considered the same as ppm. But if the distilled water (tested with a Hanna PWT which I think is an EC meter) reads, as an example, .3 uS then I consider uS and ppm the same. The difference is too small to be concerned about. If you have a TDS meter, then I don't know, it reads to a different scale and will not read below 1.0, which is not pure enough distilled water for me to get clear CS. sol Asif Nathekar wrote: I was reading that some people were considering uS as ppm for CS Which had me think was my 15us brew a 7/8 ppm or 15. The variance is large and given the discussions of high ppm recently it got me even more interested. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I think you mean don't bother with a PWT meter. Dan On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM, D Glover mothman...@gmail.com wrote: Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Wrong D Glover! uS meters are very close to spot on. We had samples analyzed about ten years ago and made the correlation at that time and started telling about it. We have been selling the PWT meters ever since for that purpose. TDS meters are not useful otfher than reading about half the PPM and not giving much info about the water purity. They're the equivalent of litmus paper. Trem - Original Message - From: D Glover To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Asif, don't waste your time with uS meters except for testing the purity of your water, as they were only designed for that purpose, and nothing more, they cannot in any way measure ionic content of silver sol or be used to infer any value for ppm of silver ions in a sol through extrapolation by some mathematical means. No matter how you play with maths you will not get a proper answer. Rather, standardize your method of manufacture (for some tips please see my essay on the manufacture of silver sols at Mothman777's Blog') Make some 20 ml specimens and submit those to a professional lab (university labs are cheapest), they will dissolve all the clusters of ions into single ions with the addition of nitric acid, then a fine vapour of this is aspirated under pressure into an argon plasma flame at a high temperature and the colour of the spectrum will tell you accurately what you have made, but bear in mind that 10 ppm might all be in a small number of a few thousand clusters (for example) or might be in trillions of clusters. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPPM, uS, resistance, etc.
Here's an article that explains the relationships: http://www.sensorex.com/support/education/conductivity_education.html Of course it depends on many variables, like temperature, electrode distance and surface area, AC vs DC, etc... Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSppm
Well, it wasn't the last... Please can someone explain all the complexities around ppm. I am worn out with reasearching and clicking and thought someone here must just know it... I can set my generator from 5ppm to 20ppm.. What is the difference and when would I want to use 5 or 20? thanks sunny A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
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It doesn't really matter sunny, they will all work. If you have something badly wrong the higher ppm might work better, but this is not an absolute. You wouldn't want it higher than 30ppm except for short term use maybe. It doesn't seem to be something that is absolutely controllable either. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:24, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: Well, it wasn't the last... Please can someone explain all the complexities around ppm. I am worn out with reasearching and clicking and thought someone here must just know it... I can set my generator from 5ppm to 20ppm.. What is the difference and when would I want to use 5 or 20? thanks sunny
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ppm simply means parts per million. For silver that would be in milligrams of silver per liter of water. For ingesting I would use 5-10 and for topical I would go for 15. Marshall Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: Well, it wasn't the last... Please can someone explain all the complexities around ppm. I am worn out with reasearching and clicking and thought someone here must just know it... I can set my generator from 5ppm to 20ppm.. What is the difference and when would I want to use 5 or 20? thanks sunny */A peek into our world/*.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All *Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog /**/ /*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* http://www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life*/ /Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* http://www.facebook.com/return2earth- Pierre Soleil return to earth/ // -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks Dee, I am sitting here with the generator going... and spraying my teeth intermittently with oil of oregano solution... I just can't stress how important lists like these are... and of course, as someone said, don't rush off and do stuff if it doesn't feel right... but as I already liked the idea of oregano.. that's great.. to have ratification.. I just can't wait till I have my CS... a few hours and whoo... thanks to all who helped... I got a silvonic one in the end.. finances dictated that the 219 for the silvergen was just beyond me.. and that said, I feel abundant in many other ways... with love and thanks to all who responded to all my queries sunny x A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:21:26 PM Subject: Re: CSppm It doesn't really matter sunny, they will all work. If you have something badly wrong the higher ppm might work better, but this is not an absolute. You wouldn't want it higher than 30ppm except for short term use maybe. It doesn't seem to be something that is absolutely controllable either. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:24, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: Well, it wasn't the last... Please can someone explain all the complexities around ppm. I am worn out with reasearching and clicking and thought someone here must just know it... I can set my generator from 5ppm to 20ppm.. What is the difference and when would I want to use 5 or 20? thanks sunny
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Is the silvonic electric or battery operated? Would you send a link on this please? - Original Message - From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: CSppm Thanks Dee, I am sitting here with the generator going... and spraying my teeth intermittently with oil of oregano solution... I just can't stress how important lists like these are... and of course, as someone said, don't rush off and do stuff if it doesn't feel right... but as I already liked the idea of oregano.. that's great.. to have ratification.. I just can't wait till I have my CS... a few hours and whoo... thanks to all who helped... I got a silvonic one in the end.. finances dictated that the 219 for the silvergen was just beyond me.. and that said, I feel abundant in many other ways... with love and thanks to all who responded to all my queries sunny x A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth -- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:21:26 PM Subject: Re: CSppm It doesn't really matter sunny, they will all work. If you have something badly wrong the higher ppm might work better, but this is not an absolute. You wouldn't want it higher than 30ppm except for short term use maybe. It doesn't seem to be something that is absolutely controllable either. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:24, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: Well, it wasn't the last... Please can someone explain all the complexities around ppm. I am worn out with reasearching and clicking and thought someone here must just know it... I can set my generator from 5ppm to 20ppm.. What is the difference and when would I want to use 5 or 20? thanks sunny
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Silvonic is both electricity and battery operated. I have no idea how good it is, it just seemed to do what I wanted for my budget http://www.elixa.com/silver/Silvonic.htm smiles sunny x A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 5:48:17 PM Subject: Re: CSppm Is the silvonic electric or battery operated? Would you send a link on this please? - Original Message - From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: CSppm Thanks Dee, I am sitting here with the generator going... and spraying my teeth intermittently with oil of oregano solution... I just can't stress how important lists like these are... and of course, as someone said, don't rush off and do stuff if it doesn't feel right... but as I already liked the idea of oregano.. that's great.. to have ratification.. I just can't wait till I have my CS... a few hours and whoo... thanks to all who helped... I got a silvonic one in the end.. finances dictated that the 219 for the silvergen was just beyond me.. and that said, I feel abundant in many other ways... with love and thanks to all who responded to all my queries sunny x A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:21:26 PM Subject: Re: CSppm It doesn't really matter sunny, they will all work. If you have something badly wrong the higher ppm might work better, but this is not an absolute. You wouldn't want it higher than 30ppm except for short term use maybe. It doesn't seem to be something that is absolutely controllable either. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:24, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: Well, it wasn't the last... Please can someone explain all the complexities around ppm. I am worn out with reasearching and clicking and thought someone here must just know it... I can set my generator from 5ppm to 20ppm.. What is the difference and when would I want to use 5 or 20? thanks sunny
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Kathy Tankersley wrote: I'm now getting an understand of CS, but still have some questions that I hope somone can answer. 1. My friend is taking and her family are taking CS 400 PPM ( on the bottle ) Accoring to the directions she cuts the dose down to 1/4 tsp instead of 1 tsp. If it is 400 ppm, it isn't colloidal silver. It is probably mislabled MSP or silver citrate, both of which can cause argyria. 2. I see CS in Health Stores, 10, 20, 400, PPM. I'm still trying to comprend the differenct of the sizes of 10,20, 10 and 20 are good. Can't do better than that. 400 PPM.s Not colloidal silver. Marshall Thank you for your help, this list has helped me alot. Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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400ppm is far too high. It shouldn't be any more than 30ppm - although most of us use 10ppm. dee On 15 Jan 2010, at 21:42, Kathy Tankersley wrote: I'm now getting an understand of CS, but still have some questions that I hope somone can answer. 1. My friend is taking and her family are taking CS 400 PPM ( on the bottle ) Accoring to the directions she cuts the dose down to 1/4 tsp instead of 1 tsp. 2. I see CS in Health Stores, 10, 20, 400, PPM. I'm still trying to comprend the differenct of the sizes of 10,20, 400 PPM.s Thank you for your help, this list has helped me alot. Kathy
CSPPM
I'm now getting an understand of CS, but still have some questions that I hope somone can answer. 1. My friend is taking and her family are taking CS 400 PPM ( on the bottle ) Accoring to the directions she cuts the dose down to 1/4 tsp instead of 1 tsp. 2. I see CS in Health Stores, 10, 20, 400, PPM. I'm still trying to comprend the differenct of the sizes of 10,20, 400 PPM.s Thank you for your help, this list has helped me alot. Kathy
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Like with homeopathy, less is more. Besides, there are no worries about turning blue... and if you plan on taking it for a longer period of time, then less is definitely more over that time. Aldi On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:49 AM, john freese jrf...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello If weaker CS is better than a stronger CS could somebody please tell us how a 5ppm is more effective than a 10ppm? Thank you. John.
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John, It isn't the ppm that is so important (although 5 - 10ppm has shown to be ideal in most cases), it is particle size. The smaller the better... and the stronger the solution. Bob - Original Message - From: john freese To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: CSPPM Hello If weaker CS is better than a stronger CS could somebody please tell us how a 5ppm is more effective than a 10ppm? Thank you. John.
CSPPM
Hello If weaker CS is better than a stronger CS could somebody please tell us how a 5ppm is more effective than a 10ppm? Thank you. John.
Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu
I don't know why that could be, when Elderberries work on most every other virus. I've read other places that recommend it. Anyways, I ordered mine a month ago, before all this Swine flu stuff came up. I've used Elderberries for a long time during cold/flu season. And now, with my CS maker, I should be set. Annie On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote: According to this article http://www.the-health-gazette.com/health-gazette-blog/alternative-medicine/natural-antivirals both Echinacea and elderberries are on the list not advised for H5N1 infections At 07:42 PM 1/05/2009, you wrote: Delurking for a bit. I just bought a couple of pounds of dried organic Elderberries and organic Echinacea, to make teas, and syrups with. The Elderberries work great for me with cold and flu viruses. Sambucol used to be very good until the company was sold. Then the new company started adding all kinds of junk to it. I still don't understand what made the original company sell out. And MSM helps me with with breathing. Annie On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: We used to use some Chinese Medicine pills (herbal), and ended up getting some more last winter. It was too late for me, but the others in the family took them, and it helped reduce the severity. They were not laid up as long as I was. One son never did get it, one son got it but took the Gan Mao Ling and recovered quickly (a few days), my husband got it and was down for less than a week. He and I had some pretty long lasting fatigue from it. They are called Gan Mao Ling, are round yellow pills, and I get the bottles of 100, for maybe 6 dollars or so at the Chinese grocery. The dosage is on the bottle. We usually take a double dose for the first one, and I think it is 3 or 4 times a day. I know many many people that use this remedy successfully. It has to be taken at the first sign - if you wait longer than a day or maybe 2 at the most, it won't work. This was our standard remedy for over a decade before I heard of silver. Kathryn On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Dianne France wrote: Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090430-0, 30/04/2009 Tested on: 1/05/2009 7:59:49 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.
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The article gives an explanation as to why elderberry is not recommended. Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6) At 06:32 PM 2/05/2009, you wrote: I don't know why that could be, when Elderberries work on most every other virus. I've read other places that recommend it. Anyways, I ordered mine a month ago, before all this Swine flu stuff came up. I've used Elderberries for a long time during cold/flu season. And now, with my CS maker, I should be set. Annie On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Hanneke mailto:bloss...@internode.on.netbloss...@internode.on.net wrote: According to this article http://www.the-health-gazette.com/health-gazette-blog/alternative-medicine/natural-antiviralshttp://www.the-health-gazette.com/health-gazette-blog/alternative-medicine/natural-antivirals both Echinacea and elderberries are on the list not advised for H5N1 infections At 07:42 PM 1/05/2009, you wrote: Delurking for a bit. I just bought a couple of pounds of dried organic Elderberries and organic Echinacea, to make teas, and syrups with. The Elderberries work great for me with cold and flu viruses. Sambucol used to be very good until the company was sold. Then the new company started adding all kinds of junk to it. I still don't understand what made the original company sell out. And MSM helps me with with breathing. Annie On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Clayton Family mailto:clay...@skypoint.comclay...@skypoint.com wrote: We used to use some Chinese Medicine pills (herbal), and ended up getting some more last winter. It was too late for me, but the others in the family took them, and it helped reduce the severity. They were not laid up as long as I was. One son never did get it, one son got it but took the Gan Mao Ling and recovered quickly (a few days), my husband got it and was down for less than a week. He and I had some pretty long lasting fatigue from it. They are called Gan Mao Ling, are round yellow pills, and I get the bottles of 100, for maybe 6 dollars or so at the Chinese grocery. The dosage is on the bottle. We usually take a double dose for the first one, and I think it is 3 or 4 times a day. I know many many people that use this remedy successfully. It has to be taken at the first sign - if you wait longer than a day or maybe 2 at the most, it won't work. This was our standard remedy for over a decade before I heard of silver. Kathryn On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Dianne France wrote: Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: mailto:bbane...@earthlink.netbbane...@earthlink.net To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com -- http://www.avast.comavast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090430-0, 30/04/2009 Tested on: 1/05/2009 7:59:49 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090501-0, 01/05/2009 Tested on: 2/05/2009 6:38:13 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
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Ahhh, OK.. that makes sense now. I can live with that. I'll have to find something else to use for Swine Flu. But how in the world do you tell what kind of flu you have? Now that's the poser. On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote: The article gives an explanation as to why elderberry is not recommended. Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6) At 06:32 PM 2/05/2009, you wrote: I don't know why that could be, when Elderberries work on most every other virus. I've read other places that recommend it. Anyways, I ordered mine a month ago, before all this Swine flu stuff came up. I've used Elderberries for a long time during cold/flu season. And now, with my CS maker, I should be set. Annie On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote: According to this article http://www.the-health-gazette.com/health-gazette-blog/alternative-medicine/natural-antivirals both Echinacea and elderberries are on the list not advised for H5N1 infections At 07:42 PM 1/05/2009, you wrote: Delurking for a bit. I just bought a couple of pounds of dried organic Elderberries and organic Echinacea, to make teas, and syrups with. The Elderberries work great for me with cold and flu viruses. Sambucol used to be very good until the company was sold. Then the new company started adding all kinds of junk to it. I still don't understand what made the original company sell out. And MSM helps me with with breathing. Annie On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: We used to use some Chinese Medicine pills (herbal), and ended up getting some more last winter. It was too late for me, but the others in the family took them, and it helped reduce the severity. They were not laid up as long as I was. One son never did get it, one son got it but took the Gan Mao Ling and recovered quickly (a few days), my husband got it and was down for less than a week. He and I had some pretty long lasting fatigue from it. They are called Gan Mao Ling, are round yellow pills, and I get the bottles of 100, for maybe 6 dollars or so at the Chinese grocery. The dosage is on the bottle. We usually take a double dose for the first one, and I think it is 3 or 4 times a day. I know many many people that use this remedy successfully. It has to be taken at the first sign - if you wait longer than a day or maybe 2 at the most, it won't work. This was our standard remedy for over a decade before I heard of silver. Kathryn On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Dianne France wrote: BobI did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM.DianneFrom: bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS.Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090430-0, 30/04/2009 Tested on: 1/05/2009 7:59:49 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. -- avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090501-0, 01/05/2009 Tested on: 2/05/2009 6:38:13 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.
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CS helps with *all* 'flu types. Anything that is bacterial or viral will be zapped by CS. You just adjust the doses according to the severity. The other thing to do is to boost your immune system with Vit C and things because at the end of the day, it is the state of your own immune system which dictates whether or not you will even * catch* any diseases at all! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Annie Date: 05/02/09 11:29:34 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu Ahhh, OK.. that makes sense now. I can live with that. I'll have to find something else to use for Swine Flu. But how in the world do you tell what kind of flu you have? Now that's the poser.faint_grain.jpg
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We don't know if the swine flu is that kind of flu or not. I would guess the way to tell is whether the remedy helps or hurts, the final answer. The other way is to keep tabs online with the buzz/news and see what the docs say. Kathryn On May 2, 2009, at 5:29 AM, Annie wrote: Ahhh, OK.. that makes sense now. I can live with that. I'll have to find something else to use for Swine Flu. But how in the world do you tell what kind of flu you have? Now that's the poser. On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I already said that my cs did not help with the flu I had last Feb. It made it worse. Others have also said the silver did not help their flu- I assume we all had the same kind since we had similar results from silver not helping. Kathryn On May 2, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: CS helps with *all* 'flu types. Anything that is bacterial or viral will be zapped by CS. You just adjust the doses according to the severity. The other thing to do is to boost your immune system with Vit C and things because at the end of the day, it is the state of your own immune system which dictates whether or not you will even * catch* any diseases at all! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Annie Date: 05/02/09 11:29:34 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu Ahhh, OK.. that makes sense now. I can live with that. I'll have to find something else to use for Swine Flu. But how in the world do you tell what kind of flu you have? Now that's the poser. inline: faint_grain.jpg
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Ok, but the last thing I said about the immune system is still valid. Maybe the 'flu virus you had had more than one cell in which case the CS wouldn't help. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 05/02/09 14:17:51 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu I already said that my cs did not help with the flu I had last Feb. It made it worse. Others have also said the silver did not help their flu- I assume we all had the same kind since we had similar results from silver not helping. Kathryn faint_grain.jpg
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Delurking for a bit. I just bought a couple of pounds of dried organic Elderberries and organic Echinacea, to make teas, and syrups with. The Elderberries work great for me with cold and flu viruses. Sambucol used to be very good until the company was sold. Then the new company started adding all kinds of junk to it. I still don't understand what made the original company sell out. And MSM helps me with with breathing. Annie On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.comwrote: We used to use some Chinese Medicine pills (herbal), and ended up getting some more last winter. It was too late for me, but the others in the family took them, and it helped reduce the severity. They were not laid up as long as I was. One son never did get it, one son got it but took the Gan Mao Ling and recovered quickly (a few days), my husband got it and was down for less than a week. He and I had some pretty long lasting fatigue from it. They are called Gan Mao Ling, are round yellow pills, and I get the bottles of 100, for maybe 6 dollars or so at the Chinese grocery. The dosage is on the bottle. We usually take a double dose for the first one, and I think it is 3 or 4 times a day. I know many many people that use this remedy successfully. It has to be taken at the first sign - if you wait longer than a day or maybe 2 at the most, it won't work. This was our standard remedy for over a decade before I heard of silver. Kathryn On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Dianne France wrote: Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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According to this article http://www.the-health-gazette.com/health-gazette-blog/alternative-medicine/natural-antivirals both Echinacea and elderberries are on the list not advised for H5N1 infections At 07:42 PM 1/05/2009, you wrote: Delurking for a bit. I just bought a couple of pounds of dried organic Elderberries and organic Echinacea, to make teas, and syrups with. The Elderberries work great for me with cold and flu viruses. Sambucol used to be very good until the company was sold. Then the new company started adding all kinds of junk to it. I still don't understand what made the original company sell out. And MSM helps me with with breathing. Annie On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Clayton Family mailto:clay...@skypoint.comclay...@skypoint.com wrote: We used to use some Chinese Medicine pills (herbal), and ended up getting some more last winter. It was too late for me, but the others in the family took them, and it helped reduce the severity. They were not laid up as long as I was. One son never did get it, one son got it but took the Gan Mao Ling and recovered quickly (a few days), my husband got it and was down for less than a week. He and I had some pretty long lasting fatigue from it. They are called Gan Mao Ling, are round yellow pills, and I get the bottles of 100, for maybe 6 dollars or so at the Chinese grocery. The dosage is on the bottle. We usually take a double dose for the first one, and I think it is 3 or 4 times a day. I know many many people that use this remedy successfully. It has to be taken at the first sign - if you wait longer than a day or maybe 2 at the most, it won't work. This was our standard remedy for over a decade before I heard of silver. Kathryn On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Dianne France wrote: Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: mailto:bbane...@earthlink.netbbane...@earthlink.net To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090430-0, 30/04/2009 Tested on: 1/05/2009 7:59:49 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
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That *is* interesting Lois. Dee ---Original Message--- From: zzekel...@aol.com Date: 04/29/09 20:43:15 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu I Thought this was pretty interesting..My son just told me about it this morning. There are products called Thieves--In the far past in France during the Black Plague There were 4 thieves that covered their bodies with cloves, rosemary other aromaties and robbed the plague victims. When they were caught they were offered a lighter sentence in exchange for their secret recipe. It has been tested at a university has cleansing abilities, immune System support good health. faint_grain.jpg
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I bought a bottle of Thieves last year from the same companty and I have used
it during the flu and it has not seemed to do much, I am sorry to report.
Paula
- Original Message -
From: zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu
I Thought this was pretty interesting..My son just told me about it this
morning. There are products called Thieves--In the far past in France during
the Black Plague There were 4 thieves that covered their bodies with
cloves, rosemary other aromaties and robbed the plague victims. When they
were caught they were offered a lighter sentence in exchange for their secret
recipe. It has been tested at a university has cleansing abilities, immune
System support good health. The Thieves you can get today have---Clove,
Cinnamon bark, Lemon, Eucalyptus radiata. { My son has just graduated from
college with degrees in Acupuncture Chinese Herbal Medicine. } He is getting
some Thieves for me from a site, youngliving.com Maybe a mix of this CS/EIS
will ward off everything but the bees { a little DMSO added might even do that}
:-) Lois
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Do not think that you have to have Theives - it is easily duplicated at a
fraction of the cost. Best EO prices and quality
http://www.av-at.com/prices.html
Do not allow yourself to be ripped off by the YLEO gang of THEIVES.
Kathy
- Original Message -
From: Paula Perry
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu
I bought a bottle of Thieves last year from the same companty and I have used
it during the flu and it has not seemed to do much, I am sorry to report.
Paula
- Original Message -
From: zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu
I Thought this was pretty interesting..My son just told me about it this
morning. There are products called Thieves--In the far past in France during
the Black Plague There were 4 thieves that covered their bodies with
cloves, rosemary other aromaties and robbed the plague victims. When they
were caught they were offered a lighter sentence in exchange for their secret
recipe. It has been tested at a university has cleansing abilities, immune
System support good health. The Thieves you can get today have---Clove,
Cinnamon bark, Lemon, Eucalyptus radiata. { My son has just graduated from
college with degrees in Acupuncture Chinese Herbal Medicine. } He is getting
some Thieves for me from a site, youngliving.com Maybe a mix of this CS/EIS
will ward off everything but the bees { a little DMSO added might even do that}
:-) Lois
Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!
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- Original Message - From: Kathy To: juga...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu http://www.av-at.com Try this - I copied the other -don't know why it didn't work. Sorry Kathy - Original Message - From: juga...@aol.com To: vano...@mrtc.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu Kathy, I can't get your link to work Judy In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:05:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, vano...@mrtc.com writes: Do not think that you have to have Theives - it is easily duplicated at a fraction of the cost. Best EO prices and quality http://www.av-at.com/prices.html Do not allow yourself to be ripped off by the YLEO gang of THEIVES. Kathy -- Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!
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No he doesn't have Theives as it is a blend which YLEO named that. Another company named their blend Ancient Robbers http://ancientwisdomessentialoils.com/ You can buy the oils singular and mix your own. I guess at the amounts of each one but as long as they are all there it is OK. You can't really mess it up. It may cost a bit more to buy all the singles but you will also get more:) Hope this helps. Clove Lemon Cinnamon Eucalyptus Radiata Rosemary - Original Message - From: juga...@aol.com To: vano...@mrtc.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu Thank you Kathy ... the other link worked ... BUT, I don't find Thieves anywhere .. is it hiding? :) Judy In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:15:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, vano...@mrtc.com writes: http://www.av-at.com Try this - I copied the other -don't know why it didn't work. Sorry Kathy - Original Message - From: juga...@aol.com To: vano...@mrtc.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu Kathy, I can't get your link to work Judy In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:05:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, vano...@mrtc.com writes: Do not think that you have to have Theives - it is easily duplicated at a fraction of the cost. Best EO prices and quality http://www.av-at.com/prices.html Do not allow yourself to be ripped off by the YLEO gang of THEIVES. Kathy -- Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! -- Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!
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I think at least 10ppm or higher. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Dianne France Date: 28/04/2009 23:23:27 To: silver-list Subject: CSPPM If we have this swine flu go pandemic what strength of silver should we be using to combat the virus? I had the flu over the winter and was using 5PPM and it didn't seem to help. Dianne faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu
I Thought this was pretty interesting..My son just told me about it this
morning. There are products called Thieves--In the far past in France
during the Black Plague There were 4 thieves that covered their bodies
with cloves, rosemary other aromaties and robbed the plague victims. When
they were caught they were offered a lighter sentence in exchange for their
secret recipe. It has been tested at a university has cleansing
abilities, immune System support good health. The Thieves you can get today
have---Clove, Cinnamon bark, Lemon, Eucalyptus radiata. { My son has just
graduated from college with degrees in Acupuncture Chinese Herbal Medicine.
}
He is getting some Thieves for me from a site, youngliving.com Maybe a
mix of this CS/EIS will ward off everything but the bees { a little DMSO
added might even do that} :-) Lois
**Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and
Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double
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CSPPM
If we have this swine flu go pandemic what strength of silver should we be using to combat the virus? I had the flu over the winter and was using 5PPM and it didn't seem to help. Dianne
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Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob - Original Message - From: Dianne France To: silver-list Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: CSPPM If we have this swine flu go pandemic what strength of silver should we be using to combat the virus? I had the flu over the winter and was using 5PPM and it didn't seem to help. Dianne
RE: CSPPM
Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob - Original Message - From: Dianne France To: silver-list Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: CSPPM If we have this swine flu go pandemic what strength of silver should we be using to combat the virus? I had the flu over the winter and was using 5PPM and it didn't seem to help. Dianne
Re: CSPPM
Dianne -- would you mind sharing how you went about *adding* DMSO to your silver application? I'm sorry you were so sick -- two days is bad enough, two weeks too much, two months? Yikes. MA From: Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:44:34 PM Subject: RE: CSPPM Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob - Original Message - From: Dianne France To: silver-list Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: CSPPM If we have this swine flu go pandemic what strength of silver should we be using to combat the virus? I had the flu over the winter and was using 5PPM and it didn't seem to help. Dianne
Re: CSPPM and what else eases the flu
We used to use some Chinese Medicine pills (herbal), and ended up getting some more last winter. It was too late for me, but the others in the family took them, and it helped reduce the severity. They were not laid up as long as I was. One son never did get it, one son got it but took the Gan Mao Ling and recovered quickly (a few days), my husband got it and was down for less than a week. He and I had some pretty long lasting fatigue from it. They are called Gan Mao Ling, are round yellow pills, and I get the bottles of 100, for maybe 6 dollars or so at the Chinese grocery. The dosage is on the bottle. We usually take a double dose for the first one, and I think it is 3 or 4 times a day. I know many many people that use this remedy successfully. It has to be taken at the first sign - if you wait longer than a day or maybe 2 at the most, it won't work. This was our standard remedy for over a decade before I heard of silver. Kathryn On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Dianne France wrote: Bob I did MMS ever four hours (6 drops) for several days along with the 5ppms of silver, same dose times. The only thing it did was make me very miserable making quick trips to the bathroom. The thing that seemed to stimulate everything into working was the addition of DMSO. It was the worst flu I have ever experienced, was sick two months. I think you are right about using a higher PPM. Dianne From: bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:39:03 -0700 Dianne, 10ppm should do the trick but I wouldn't rely on silver only. Silver will inactivate any virus or bug, but it has to come into contact with the particle for it to work. I'd take other things along with the silver... allicin is a wonderful anti-viral as is MMS. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPpm question
You wrote: Experiment: Since it is the Alkaline Water [OH- anion] that adds the bitter flavor [silver has no flavor ] and OH- is [probably] a dissolved gas that can be largely driven off by heating water Split a tasty batch in half, heat one container and see if it has less flavor after cooling off to the same temperature as the unheated half and has a change in conductivity. Don't know about the 'bitter flavor' of OH-, but I have found that if you mix the bearded residue from the negative electrode (silver oxide?) into the solution after brewing, it produces a very strong metallic taste in the CS which may be interpreted as bitter. Dan -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPpm question -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPpm question
1] *Ramp up to current* take longer in larger volumes of water...more water to bring to the level of conductivity that pulls the electrical current. 2] The better the water is, the longer it takes...exponential runaway curve that gets leveled out by current control, starting out fairly flat in good pure water. [H2O, itself, is an insulator ] There is a conductivity drop back involved as CS ions saturate the water. The larger volumes of water drop back more than smaller volumes of water...I don't know why, but it probably has something similar to gas physics going on in there where nothing much is linear with volume at a given temperature and pressure. I also don't know what that means to the accuracy of using conductivity meters to measure PPM [which no meter actually does and they are ALL conductivity meters] I've always used a standard batch size of 1 pint to state number correlations for that reason...and...use the conductivity number *after* it has stopped dropping with the meter and the water at the same temperature.. Possibly: The OH anion, being a dissolved gas? and adding it's own conductivity, behaves differently in more water...something about the odds of chance reaction being greater in smaller containers? The details of *Hydration of ions* and how all that relates to conductivity is a bit of a mystery to me. It seems clear that the water will *protect* a silver ion from stray reactions once hydration is complete...making the EIS-CS stable. Observation: If all the water is channeled through a tight space with a little bit of heat while making the EIS-CS, conductivity drop back is about the same in all sizes of containers...almost none. [The EIS-CS is made in a very small container within the large container ] Essentially, it makes like a uniform sized reaction chamber that stabilizes or hydrates the ions as they are being produced...and a bit of heat speeds reactions. Could also be that cold water can hold more dissolved [OH-] gas in solution than hot water...making very small gas bubbles that rise and pop when they reach the surface. Experiment: Since it is the Alkaline Water [OH- anion] that adds the bitter flavor [silver has no flavor ] and OH- is [probably] a dissolved gas that can be largely driven off by heating water Split a tasty batch in half, heat one container and see if it has less flavor after cooling off to the same temperature as the unheated half and has a change in conductivity. Of note: Using warm water produces many bubbles clinging to surfaces whereas cold water doesn't seem to do that...and..the ramp up to conductivity time is much shorter at a time when the temperature addition has the least effect on the process, seeing as, by the time that silver concentration is high, the water has cooled off and temperature is no longer adding anything to conductivity or the sensing of it. Also: In small batches, the cool off time and the process time is about the same and you get thermal convection stirring as the water cools. PS Meters are a pretty bad way to gauge PPMbut it's the best bad way there is without spending mega bucks on something that doesn't matter all that much and a *range of accuracy* is good enough. [ In the Ball Park beats having no clue at all ] Ode At 01:21 PM 11/23/2008 +, you wrote: I have just made a new batch of CS in an 8 ounce jar. Usually I use a 16 ounce jar and the TDS meter reads about 7 as a rule. When I made it in the smaller jar, it reads 11 even after four days. The big jar takes about ten hours to make, but the small one takes four. Can anyone explain any of this? Many thanks. Dee PS I realize it will be a shorter time in the smaller jar of course! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM
Re: CSPpm question
- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: CSPpm question Morning List, Odes' severely snipped quote: [PS Meters are a pretty bad way to gauge PPMbut it's the best bad way there is without spending mega bucks on something that doesn't matter all that much and a *range of accuracy* is good enough. [ In the Ball Park beats having no clue at all ] -Hear, Hear! This has been my sentiments since day dot. And for the 'in home' EICS producer how *inaccurate* would this be anyway in the scheme of things? As you quite rightly say, beats having no clue at all for the everyday 'Joe/Jenny Bloggs' out there anyway! All they want is a form of 'benchmark' so they can feel relaxed, comfortable and confident in what they are doing without necessarily getting swamped with the 'science' of it all. Thank You Ode. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPpm question
I have just made a new batch of CS in an 8 ounce jar. Usually I use a 16 ounce jar and the TDS meter reads about 7 as a rule. When I made it in the smaller jar, it reads 11 even after four days. The big jar takes about ten hours to make, but the small one takes four. Can anyone explain any of this? Many thanks. Dee PS I realize it will be a shorter time in the smaller jar of course! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPpm question
Yes, the smaller amount of water will take much less time to get to the same ppm. I assume you are starting out fresh, so it takes less time to get to the point where the machine puts out a constant amount of silver into the water. Or maybe the water was more conductive that you thought to start with. Kathryn On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:21 AM, dee wrote: I have just made a new batch of CS in an 8 ounce jar. Usually I use a 16 ounce jar and the TDS meter reads about 7 as a rule. When I made it in the smaller jar, it reads 11 even after four days. The big jar takes about ten hours to make, but the small one takes four. Can anyone explain any of this? Many thanks. Dee PS I realize it will be a shorter time in the smaller jar of course! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSppm defined
Good Evening Steve N, Glad you made that so clear. At 06:21 PM 8/28/2008, you wrote: I have nothing at all to say relative to ppm. Just one little thing.. I asked my scientist friend the other day about ppm meters. Here is what he said. We measure EC and we calculate ppm. Thanks again for making it so clear. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question ( Worthless Patent )
You make and sell the c/s gel?? How much is it, and what size?? Freight? Mary -- Original message from Sandee George oha...@juno.com: -- Thanks for this one Wayne - so true, I have been making and selling my gel internationally for about seven years now - it is all bunkum ! Everyone of the so called patented gels I have seen and tried out of interest - do not come up to my formula - and therein lies the truth. The reality being copy me if you can Of course this is my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own Cheers - have a great day Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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He has taken what has been discussed here for years, and applied for a patent. No way it could ever stand up in court, nothing new, everything he has in it was common public knowledge. Plus the method of making it is almost identical to the patent I filed for in 1999, which was thrown out as being nothing new, simply repeating the art. Weird how they can throw out an application as not new, then take one very similar and process it. Don't they even look at the previous submissions? Marshall Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. On Jan 28, 2008 7:26 AM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com mailto:clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I don't know about that, but I do know that I made and used about 5 PPM for the first year or so that I used cs, and it worked great. I believe it is not the actual ppm, but the amount of silver total- so if it is 5ppm, you just use more of it, more often. Perhaps the product is different? kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question ( Worthless Patent )
Thanks for this one Wayne - so true, I have been making and selling my gel internationally for about seven years now - it is all bunkum ! Everyone of the so called patented gels I have seen and tried out of interest - do not come up to my formula - and therein lies the truth. The reality being copy me if you can Of course this is my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own Cheers - have a great day Sandee Peace is easy ... it is a Mindset -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question
That is the process I was using from 1999 through about 2005. Applied for a patent on it, but was denied as not being anything over the present art. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I can see it is a high voltage electrolysis machine with stirring. It claims to make a mostly colloidal suspension, with little ions. I am not familiar with high voltage machines. But EIS = electrically isolated silver (but it really refers to the 80 % ions and 20% particles) and this is made using electricity, but is claimed to be mostly colloid. Do you have one of these units, and is this what you are taking? Or is this a hypothethical discussion? Kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question ( Worthless Patent )
Smaller particles affect viruses better than larger ones. Lower ppm EIS tends to have smaller particles. Higher ppm EIS can have a little hydrogen peroxide added to it to make the particles smaller, and thus be even more effective. Marshall Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Wayne: I agree totally with what you're saying, I don't give a hoot about the patent anyway. My main reason for writing was if anyone had heard about the low level of ppm affecting the virus more effectively than the bacteria, but I guess not. I thought by sending the patent someone could look at their process and see if it differs from what you all are doing. Kathryn answered that saying it is high voltage electrolysis. Thanks Kathryn. On Jan 28, 2008 6:55 PM, Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com wrote: 18 ppm and silver gel through this company that owns the patent. The patent holders also sell the 10 ppm on the general market but I was told that the 10 ppm would be better for viruses and not to mention much cheaper. The patent is a fraud, worthless, and more. For one simple reason, it cannot be enforced. The patents I have seen, state very clearly, this patent forbids all other some making, selling, or using. Not tell me how many times per day that patent is violated. It is almost like a patent on distilled water when everyone in the world knows how to make it and half the people do. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPPM question
If one product is liquid and one is gel, as your post implies, this could explain the difference. Gel should only be used topically. The CS solution is more effective than gel since the silver is mobile. With a gel the silver is stationary and less is available (not mobile enough) to make contact with whatever needs to be killed. That being said, the CS is only effective when it is actually contacting the bug, or whatever. Dan From: Sharlene Miyamura [mailto:fire888ea...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM question This is the ready-made CS that I buy through a mlm company with the exclusive rights to the 14 ppm, 18 ppm and silver gel through this company that owns the patent. The patent holders also sell the 10 ppm on the general market but I was told that the 10 ppm would be better for viruses and not to mention much cheaper. By the way, I own a Sota generator and just getting started making my own EIS but always wondered what the difference was between the two silver solutions. And yes, I've been taking this ready-made CS for many years and only found out about making it myself through this forum.
Re: CSPPM question
They probably do not look at previous submissions when there are legal fees to be harvested. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: CSPPM question He has taken what has been discussed here for years, and applied for a patent. No way it could ever stand up in court, nothing new, everything he has in it was common public knowledge. Plus the method of making it is almost identical to the patent I filed for in 1999, which was thrown out as being nothing new, simply repeating the art. Weird how they can throw out an application as not new, then take one very similar and process it. Don't they even look at the previous submissions? Marshall Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. On Jan 28, 2008 7:26 AM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com mailto:clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I don't know about that, but I do know that I made and used about 5 PPM for the first year or so that I used cs, and it worked great. I believe it is not the actual ppm, but the amount of silver total- so if it is 5ppm, you just use more of it, more often. Perhaps the product is different? kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question
So is mixing the 1-3% H2O2 the difference to be able to patent it? Or, is this the company that was featured on prime time TV as having a contract with the US govt to provide their products to various govt agencies to help fight MRSA in such agencies? Anyhow, I do not believe that their products are any better than the ones we make. So, it appears somebody is scratching backs here. Is this another poor choice of spending taxpayer monies? We shall see. I believe the company that the broadcast was about is named, American Biotech Labs, and their website is: http://www.americanbiotechlabs.com. I apologize if this is not the right company but I am pretty sure it is. Anywho, have a great day and don't forget that gulp or two of CS today! faith gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: They probably do not look at previous submissions when there are legal fees to be harvested. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: CSPPM question He has taken what has been discussed here for years, and applied for a patent. No way it could ever stand up in court, nothing new, everything he has in it was common public knowledge. Plus the method of making it is almost identical to the patent I filed for in 1999, which was thrown out as being nothing new, simply repeating the art. Weird how they can throw out an application as not new, then take one very similar and process it. Don't they even look at the previous submissions? Marshall Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. On Jan 28, 2008 7:26 AM, Clayton Family wrote: I don't know about that, but I do know that I made and used about 5 PPM for the first year or so that I used cs, and it worked great. I believe it is not the actual ppm, but the amount of silver total- so if it is 5ppm, you just use more of it, more often. Perhaps the product is different? kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Scotty (Beam Me Up!) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: CSPPM question
Scott: Yes it is American Biotech. I've been told that it has been approved as non-toxic by the EPA and that the Center for Disease Control may very well be using it. We call it Silver Aquasol technology, however, since I was not at the last convention and haven't listened to the speaker on my dvd yet, I don't know much. Anyway the simplest electronics is way over my head so I need to consult with all you experts out there. Thanks for the feedback. On Jan 29, 2008 6:43 AM, Scott scottie592...@yahoo.com wrote: So is mixing the 1-3% H2O2 the difference to be able to patent it? Or, is this the company that was featured on prime time TV as having a contract with the US govt to provide their products to various govt agencies to help fight MRSA in such agencies? Anyhow, I do not believe that their products are any better than the ones we make. So, it appears somebody is scratching backs here. Is this another poor choice of spending taxpayer monies? We shall see. I believe the company that the broadcast was about is named, American Biotech Labs, and their website is: http://www.americanbiotechlabs.com. I apologize if this is not the right company but I am pretty sure it is. Anywho, have a great day and don't forget that gulp or two of CS today! *faith gagne jitte...@gis.net* wrote: They probably do not look at previous submissions when there are legal fees to be harvested. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: CSPPM question He has taken what has been discussed here for years, and applied for a patent. No way it could ever stand up in court, nothing new, everything he has in it was common public knowledge. Plus the method of making it is almost identical to the patent I filed for in 1999, which was thrown out as being nothing new, simply repeating the art. Weird how they can throw out an application as not new, then take one very similar and process it. Don't they even look at the previous submissions? Marshall Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. On Jan 28, 2008 7:26 AM, Clayton Family wrote: I don't know about that, but I do know that I made and used about 5 PPM for the first year or so that I used cs, and it worked great. I believe it is not the actual ppm, but the amount of silver total- so if it is 5ppm, you just use more of it, more often. Perhaps the product is different? kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Scotty (Beam Me Up!) -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: CSPPM question
I was thinking you had talked about making a colloidal suspension with HV. This sounded like what you had described previously. Does this really make a colloid, as opposed to an 80/20 ionic solution? I was just wondering, maybe somebody sent some in to the lab for analysis. On another note, the first time I heard a reference to silver being used as an antifungal/antibiotic was from an industry person (the industry being a geologic environmental clean up company) at a geology conference. I was very surprised, and kinda clueless about it being maybe useful for me (idiot!), but thought I would hear more about it, maybe in machines or what not. If I had half a brain, I might have thought about googling it, and got myself a remedy about a year earlier. At least I have it now. Kathryn On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: That is the process I was using from 1999 through about 2005. Applied for a patent on it, but was denied as not being anything over the present art. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I can see it is a high voltage electrolysis machine with stirring. It claims to make a mostly colloidal suspension, with little ions. I am not familiar with high voltage machines. But EIS = electrically isolated silver (but it really refers to the 80 % ions and 20% particles) and this is made using electricity, but is claimed to be mostly colloid. Do you have one of these units, and is this what you are taking? Or is this a hypothethical discussion? Kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm r=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question
I don't know about that, but I do know that I made and used about 5 PPM for the first year or so that I used cs, and it worked great. I believe it is not the actual ppm, but the amount of silver total- so if it is 5ppm, you just use more of it, more often. Perhaps the product is different? kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question
This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. On Jan 28, 2008 7:26 AM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I don't know about that, but I do know that I made and used about 5 PPM for the first year or so that I used cs, and it worked great. I believe it is not the actual ppm, but the amount of silver total- so if it is 5ppm, you just use more of it, more often. Perhaps the product is different? kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I can see it is a high voltage electrolysis machine with stirring. It claims to make a mostly colloidal suspension, with little ions. I am not familiar with high voltage machines. But EIS = electrically isolated silver (but it really refers to the 80 % ions and 20% particles) and this is made using electricity, but is claimed to be mostly colloid. Do you have one of these units, and is this what you are taking? Or is this a hypothethical discussion? Kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr= 1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question
This is the ready-made CS that I buy through a mlm company with the exclusive rights to the 14 ppm, 18 ppm and silver gel through this company that owns the patent. The patent holders also sell the 10 ppm on the general market but I was told that the 10 ppm would be better for viruses and not to mention much cheaper. By the way, I own a Sota generator and just getting started making my own EIS but always wondered what the difference was between the two silver solutions. And yes, I've been taking this ready-made CS for many years and only found out about making it myself through this forum. On Jan 28, 2008 3:48 PM, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I can see it is a high voltage electrolysis machine with stirring. It claims to make a mostly colloidal suspension, with little ions. I am not familiar with high voltage machines. But EIS = electrically isolated silver (but it really refers to the 80 % ions and 20% particles) and this is made using electricity, but is claimed to be mostly colloid. Do you have one of these units, and is this what you are taking? Or is this a hypothethical discussion? Kathryn On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Sharlene Miyamura wrote: This is the product's patent. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr= 1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=PN/7,135,195RS=PN/7,135,195 I hope someone can scan it and tell me if it is different from EIS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPPM question ( Worthless Patent )
18 ppm and silver gel through this company that owns the patent. The patent holders also sell the 10 ppm on the general market but I was told that the 10 ppm would be better for viruses and not to mention much cheaper. The patent is a fraud, worthless, and more. For one simple reason, it cannot be enforced. The patents I have seen, state very clearly, this patent forbids all other some making, selling, or using. Not tell me how many times per day that patent is violated. It is almost like a patent on distilled water when everyone in the world knows how to make it and half the people do. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM question ( Worthless Patent )
Wayne: I agree totally with what you're saying, I don't give a hoot about the patent anyway. My main reason for writing was if anyone had heard about the low level of ppm affecting the virus more effectively than the bacteria, but I guess not. I thought by sending the patent someone could look at their process and see if it differs from what you all are doing. Kathryn answered that saying it is high voltage electrolysis. Thanks Kathryn. On Jan 28, 2008 6:55 PM, Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com wrote: 18 ppm and silver gel through this company that owns the patent. The patent holders also sell the 10 ppm on the general market but I was told that the 10 ppm would be better for viruses and not to mention much cheaper. The patent is a fraud, worthless, and more. For one simple reason, it cannot be enforced. The patents I have seen, state very clearly, this patent forbids all other some making, selling, or using. Not tell me how many times per day that patent is violated. It is almost like a patent on distilled water when everyone in the world knows how to make it and half the people do. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPPM question
Would the level of ppm have any bearing on it's effectivenss on whether it is a virus or bacteria? I've heard another forum that the higher the ppm is, the less effective it is on a virus but more effective on bacteria. Is there any truth to this? So some are preferring to go with the 10-14 ppm rather than the 18 ppm. Thank you for any information you can provide.
CSPPM Meter ?
Morning Peter, that seems to work rather well. I will also use the equation to cross check the PPM tester. Can't you use the PPM Meter to test your water, to some degree? You should be able to tell good from bad water. Not exact impurities but total impurities. Yet, from what I learned working with plant nutrient solutions, a PPM meter cannot measure PPM of a given nutrient.Special meters exist that can measure a single nutrient. The PPM meter is much like an EC meter, you get total readings that leave a lot of guesswork. The only true way we have found to work with PPM is to calculate based on weight and analysis. It gets reasonably simple and reasonably accurate by doing it that way. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPPM Meter ?
Greetings Wayne, The equation would logically appear to be the most accurate way to determine PPM, but since we are not calculating thrust, escape velocity and such, and since I do hold down a full-time job, the PPM meter gives a fairly good idea of the quality of the CS mixture. Because I do not have controlled current I just let the process go until I have attained between 10 and 13 PPM then stop it. My concern is particle size and the brew that I made yesterday was around 11 PPM and had a very weak Tyndall effect, was clear with few sparklies, so I think that I got a good result. Now I will just experiment with different generator configurations and eventually will probably buy one of the ready made units that are offered on the market. Before starting the brew I did measure the PPM of the DW and it was about 2.5 or so. I will see if I can get it elsewhere to find better purity, but I have my doubts. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM
Wait till the conductivity [uS] stops dropping then use uS as if it were PPM. [12- 24 hours...a couple or 3 days, whatever] Trem says uS times 1.2 but doesn't point out when to take the measurement. ode At 08:20 AM 5/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: I want to determine the concentraion of my EIS. I have a meter that reads u Siemens. What is the relationship of uSeimens to PPM? Thanks. JAG2 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1 - Release Date: 5/1/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPPM
I want to determine the concentraion of my EIS. I have a meter that reads u Siemens. What is the relationship of uSeimens to PPM? Thanks. JAG2
Re: CSPPM
Hi JAG, There is no real relationshiop between uS/cm and PPM. The uS/cm will change with time. Check it as made, and again 24 hours later. The last reading MAY be within (higher) 10 to 15% of PPM. You need to standardize everything. But most importantly measure the initial cell current as it will determine how long to reach a given concentration or PWT reading. Basically a 2 to 1 difference in initial current will affect the end point by that inverse ratio. Ole Bob
CSPPM measurement
Vince said, 1,000,000 ppm would be the max particle ppm. It would be one particle of pure silver with no water or anything else. It would result from putting pure solid silver in a container with no other substance. It would not be useful for our bodies. No, Vince, ppm is calculated as a ratio of total amount of silver to a certain amount of water. If what you said above was true, every piece of silver by itself would be 1,000,000 ppm. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPPM measurement
Come to think of it, you are right. 1,000,000 divided by zero (no water) would be undefined One drop of water in a glass would allow a valid calculation with a high ppm. The bigger the chunk of silver the higher the ppm. Of course that wouldn't be a colloidal suspension, but it would be ppm particle. The point was, FWIW, more silver particles that are bigger and bigger in water becomes less and less useful. My question was, why would we try and get a max ppm colloidal? Vince -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM measurement Vince said, 1,000,000 ppm would be the max particle ppm. It would be one particle of pure silver with no water or anything else. It would result from putting pure solid silver in a container with no other substance. It would not be useful for our bodies. No, Vince, ppm is calculated as a ratio of total amount of silver to a certain amount of water. If what you said above was true, every piece of silver by itself would be 1,000,000 ppm. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSppm level of 0.1 M silver nitrate solution
A solution of 0.1 M silver nitrate will put 0.1 moles of Ag+ ions into solution for each liter of water. The atomic weight of silver is 107.87 grams per mole. So the concentration of Ag+ will be 10.787 grams per kilogram of water, or 10787 milligrams of silver per million milligrams of water. This comes out to 10,787 ppm. Matthew
Re: CSPPM From: Jay Ice
CSPPM From: Jay Ice Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:50:52 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59550.html How much water makes 1 part per million? Ice Jay, it looks like you are trying to get an idea of what 1 part per million means. It is a very small amount. For example, it is like trying to find one specific penny in a stack of pennies three quarters of a mile high. Or, it is like comparing the weight of a single penny to the weight of a Ford F250 pickup truck. Since it is such a small amount, it means the equipment we use to make and store cs has to be carefully protected against contamination. For example, household cleaning products that contain bleach or vinegar can spray droplets that go an amazing distance. These can contaminate your cs or generator and render it useless. The salt test is a good way to check if your system is operating properly. Pour 1/2 inch of cs in a shot glass and add a pinch of pickling or canning salt. (Ordinary table salt contains anti-cacking agents that cloud the solution and give confusing results.) In a few minutes, as the salt begins to dissolve, you should see a dispersion appear as the silver ions combine with the chlorine to form silver chloride. The color and strength of the dispersion is an indication of the concentration of silver ions in the solution. A pale blue dispersion that is barely visible is about 5 uS. A 20 uS solution gives a white dispersion with well-defined edges, but you can still see your fingers if you look through the glass. A 40 uS solution makes a very dense dispersion that obscures objects behind the glass. As you get familiar with the salt test, you can use it to find the optimum brew time for your generator by adjusting for the strongest dispersion. The salt test also shows if the dw is poor quality, or if an ion channel happened to form during the brew. These are hard to spot, but they greatly reduce the ion concentration in your brew. Does this help? Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSppm
It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. 20 ppm doesn't automatically mean twice as many particles (as 10 ppm), only twice as much silver. You could have one pebble of silver at the bottom of the container and still have 20 ppm. ppm is a measurement of the total quantity (of silver in this case), and is not relevant to the number of particles. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm
Terry Chamberlin wrote: It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. 20 ppm doesn't automatically mean twice as many particles (as 10 ppm), only twice as much silver. You could have one pebble of silver at the bottom of the container and still have 20 ppm. ppm is a measurement of the total quantity (of silver in this case), and is not relevant to the number of particles. Actually it does, as an answer to that question. The question was: - Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. It says that the colloidal portion of both has the same size particles, and the concentration is twice as much, so the only way that can happen is if you double the number of particles. That was an answer to that specific question, which as you point out does not necessarily reflect reality. Marshall __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm meters
First, the obvious: you certainly meant barely distinguishable, or almost indistinguishable. That is a minor point. The major point for most of us on this list is your observation that both ionic products and particulate products have nearly identical effects. This would seem to be contrary to your earlier assertions that it was only the particulate component of EIS that had an effect. If I properly understand your message below, you have had a major change in thinking from your earlier postings. Please correct me if I am misinterpreting your points. If I am not, we list members are seeing a very important change in your opinion, which is important as I believe you have made a good-faith effort to present the scientific facts as you see them. From a layman's point of view, it seems to me that Mesosilver may prove most useful as a component of composite commercial products, which I know is something you are working on.I had the off-the-cuff idea, for example, of adding Mesosilver to bloodroot tincture, and idea I am putting in the public domain to discourage patents from making this product, if useful, too expensive for ordinary people.Ionic silver products would not work for mixing up in cosmetics and other products. Thanks in advance for any clarification. JBB On Sunday, Mar 27, 2005, at 08:22 Asia/Tokyo, Info wrote: When an ionic product is tested using the same challenge protocol, the results are barely indistinguishable. Here is a link to a challenge test that include Mesosilver at 20.0 ppm and ASAP22 that was measured to be 22.3 ppm (a silver concentration 11.5% higher than the Mesosilver). http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Ecoli2.pdf ASAP 22 is far superior at killing pathogens compared to Sovereign Silver 10 ppm because is has more than twice the silver concentration. The test clearly indicates that the ASAP 22 produced virtually the same results as Mesosilver. Yet Quinto would have us believe from his tests that his 10 ppm product works and Mesosilver does nothing. Utter nonsense! The Quinto tests lack the quality required for publication, their usefulness being limited to presentation to lay people who can easily be fooled. This is the same bogus science that brought us his TEM images of ionic silver. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm meters
But in that particular photo [ionpud1.jpg], there IS no tan color to that 'particle stream' anywhere. The color is an artifact of the yellowish lighting while taking the photo. The color 'reproduction' is not accurate. [But may be similar to colors that you see in 'your' setup.] There is no 'yellow' There is no 'golden' It is white. It is pure white. It is nothing but white. The only times I've seen any such colors in the particle 'stream' was when current density was too high. The current density is not too high. I've seen silver hydroxide listed in chemical cataloges as a white powder. Leastways, I think I did. [Can't find it listed ANYWHERE now..dang!] One reference to silver hydroxide as a tan powder used in anion experiments A tan deposit can form on one electrode under certain conditions but it's not always tan. White is more usual for me. After drying, that white deposit smears shiny silver on fingers etc. Ode At 01:32 PM 3/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Re: CS>ppm meters >From: Ode Coyote >Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:05:34 >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78972.html > > > http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ > > > There is no tan color in that photo that's not an artifact of the > > lighting adding a golden hue to everything. > > > I think I made note of that somewhere in there. The particle cloud > > is pure white in real life. > > > Ode > > As you can see in the photos, the color depends on the lighting and > where you look in the mist trail. The color fades as the oxides > dissipate into the dw. > > Jason refers to it as yellow: > >Anywhere between 15 and 30 minutes, one should notice a thin >yellow cloud or a yellow wisp drifting between the electrodes. > >http://www.silvermedicine.org/usage.html > > Utopia Silver calls it gold: > >Here is the golden mist process at work as the solution nears >10 ppm. This is the optimum concentration using this process. > >http://www.utopiasilver.com/generator.htm > > Peter Lindemann calls it yellow: > >Then finally, a faint yellow mist will begin to form. Within a >few minutes, the reaction will speed up, but the particles >produced will be a golden-yellow as viewed with a flashlight. > >http://www.silvergen.com/colloida.htm > > Others in the archives have called it tan or brown. To me, it's tan. > >Regards, > >Mike Monett > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > >--===AVGMAIL-42480C440497=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-472C7C2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: AVG certification Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CSppm meters
Info wrote: Mike Monett wrote: According to Ivan Anderson, Mesosilver is made of oxides. This makes sense, since your tan color is similar to diluted silver hydroxide. Elemental silver is gray or black in solution. You can prove this by adding pickling salt to 36uS cs to make silver chloride. The dispersion is white, but it turns dark gray after exposure to light. And what size particles are creating this color and in what silver concentration? Mesosilver is the wrong color to be silver particles. These words of wisdom are from scientists who are using conductivity meters to determine silver content, cannot measure particle size, etc... You have got to be kidding. The color of Mesosilver has nothing what so ever to do with the color of material the particle is made of as you suggest. Mesosilver absorbs visible light at a wavelength of 400 nm. The apparent color is the complement of the absorption wavelength. The absorption wavelength, thus the apparent color could be made to be any color of the visible spectrum by slightly altering the ionic species of the dispersant. Such a minor alteration of the ionic species would alter the zeta potential and the thus the dispersion properties and in doing so would change the apparent color but not change the composition of the particles at all. When the water is evaporated from Mesosilver what remains is a thin film of metallic silver, not silver oxide. This rather easy experiment requires only that one be able to recognize metallic silver when one sees it. Fill a 250 mL beaker half way with Mesosilver, cover to keep dust out, let sit until the water evaporates. As far as e-coli, the results of a properly designed challenge test put the lie to Quinto's tests. When an ionic product is tested using the same challenge protocol, the results are barely indistinguishable. Here is a link to a challenge test that include Mesosilver at 20.0 ppm and ASAP22 that was measured to be 22.3 ppm (a silver concentration 11.5% higher than the Mesosilver). http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Ecoli2.pdf I see the experiment was run with agar. Since mesosilver was effective, I am assuming that the test temperature of 35 degrees was sufficient to keep the agar liquid during the test. Is that correct? ASAP 22 is far superior at killing pathogens compared to Sovereign Silver 10 ppm because is has more than twice the silver concentration. The test clearly indicates that the ASAP 22 produced virtually the same results as Mesosilver. Yet Quinto would have us believe from his tests that his 10 ppm product works and Mesosilver does nothing. Utter nonsense! I believe the difference may be that you did your test in a broth (liquified agar due to temperature), and he did his in a gel. If so the results of both are quite predictable. Do you know if I am correct on this? Marshall The Quinto tests lack the quality required for publication, their usefulness being limited to presentation to lay people who can easily be fooled. This is the same bogus science that brought us his TEM images of ionic silver. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm meters
I think the debate is good. For instance I am going to check if EDTA will cause silver chloride in solution to be chelated. I would never have thought of this without the debate. I think it is very important if we can figure out how all this works (since we are far past the point of knowing that it DOES work). The Gatorade and H2O2 were found by experimenting, not theory. But theory shows why they do what they do, and with good theory other improvement may become obvious to us for other enhancements. Marshall M. G. Devour wrote: Frank writes: ASAP 22 is far superior at killing pathogens compared to Sovereign Silver 10 ppm because is has more than twice the silver concentration. The test clearly indicates that the ASAP 22 produced virtually the same results as Mesosilver. Yet Quinto would have us believe from his tests that his 10 ppm product works and Mesosilver does nothing. Utter nonsense! Yep, we have here not one, but *two* vendors trying to insist that the other's product is ineffective. Both have some good arguments on their side. Both are saying some unsupportable or manipulative things in order to persuade us to favor their product. That's marketing folks! In the absence of any new evidence that: -- Home-made preparations with both ionic and particulate fractions are somehow ineffective... -- That purely ionic CS is incapable of creating a blood-born component that is somehow effective... -- That only high particle fraction preparations will work... -- That high particle fraction preparations will *not* work... ... I'm afraid that we'll be forced to leave this debate pretty soon, with no particular (pun intended) resolution one way or the other, in the interest of saving ourselves from a protracted and destructive argument that most folks will not be interested in... Not immediately, mind you, but pretty soon. The more personal it seems to be getting, the sooner we'll drop it... Thank you, Mike Devour list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
