[RCSE] MOM contest 31st or August at GDSHS
The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society is having it's first OVSS style MOM contest the end of the month. It will be a Michigan Soaring League contest but all are invited. We will provide lunch for the contestants and hope to get started by 9 or 9:30 for first flight. As all OVSS contests, this is fly what you brung and it is all UNL with as many rounds as we can cram in before 4 PM. The trophies will go to 5th place. We plan on four winches with one backup and a fly-one, get-one for the retrieve. To find the location of our field at Addison Oaks County park look on our web site at www.gdshs.com. If you are interested in coming, drop me an email and give me your name and frequency so I can get the scoring DB made out. I will be using Win-Soar to do the matrix and keep tract of things. I used it and some of my own spreadsheets to score the Electric Nat's this year and it works fairly well. -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Re: I have a Challenge for JR/Spectrum DSM Radios!
For those who mastered the Profi 4000, there does not seem to be anything comparable out there and some of us are so reluctant to change to any of the other radios (knowing the 4K will be dead soon due to lack of parts and support from Hitech) that a group has started designing and building a replacement that will have open source code, and anything mentioned here plus more. Before you ask, it will be a long time in coming as it is just a hobby design/build at this time. If any of you serious coders out there want a crack at coding the OP system, we are looking for your talent. It will probably start out as a kit build with completed boards and a new case (like a pizza box but smaller). It will do all the 4K will do and more but the programming logic will probably remain the same, ie. no need for templates and you assign what you want where you want it. I have two 4K's and just converted one to 2.4 using a Spektrum Futaba module (several have done this before and it seems to work fine so far). I used the 2.4 in Nostalgia at the Nat's this year and it performed just fine as far away as I could ever want to fly. I will add a couple of more planes to the 2.4 that are not serious moldies and build confidence slowly. No I do not know about the increased latency yet because a Paragon would not be a good test but it seems to be flying the same as before, like a Paragon. Jack On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM, SteveR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordy, if you were flying more complex scale sailplanes requiring upwards of 14 channels, you might better appreciate the flexibility and ease of programming that open programming offers. It ain't for everyone. AERF sailplanes have far simplier radio requirements. I just came back from flying in Europe. The top scale sailplane guys there are moving over to Futaba FX-30 and FX-40 radios as they are the only 14 channel radios around, feature the closest thing to MPX open programming and the 2.4 implementation does not require the kluge of multiple receivers. Different strokes for different folks, Steve -- SteveR SteveR's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=7591 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904850 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Contest idea....Time on tow penalty for TD?
Wow, another how you launch discussion! Check out the 18 pages of stuff on RCGroups-Electric Sailplanes if you want to get all the in's and out's of launching in a TD contest with motors. It is under the F5J thread http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883683. It is a worthwhile discussion on how to save the Electric Sailplane Nat's by getting winch launched TD pilots involved in using electric motors to launch F3J style to a specific altitude and making it a real sailplane contest. Our club is experimenting with this a little and I hope to organize a demo sometime during the WL Nat's to generate some interest. So far our club likes both launch methods but the impromptu MOM contest with electrics is winning. No winch problems and almost any plane or power system works. I am still tweaking some of the little differences we will need for F5J but hope to have a rules set built within the next year and tested over the next couple of years (maybe at the Nat's like I did with Nostalgia) before submitting a rules change proposal to AMA. Jack On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 07/14/2008 8:21:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After watching the World F3J I had an idea for a contest... Incorporate the time penalty on tow that they have in F3J but in a TD format. You would have a timer at each winch who would time your launch and write that time down on your card... For example if it were a 10 min task and you towed for 6 sec the best time you could get would be a 9:54 even though you flew a perfect 10... Or even better... Double the time on tow penalty, so if it was a 6 sec tow the best time you could get would be 9:48. Seems to me it would throw more strategy and fun into a normal TD contest Suggestions ? Comments? Craig Having read the other replies, I think the solution would be to have a device that timed the length of time the winch motor was on for the launch and deduct that from the score. That would allow a woody to tap up to the top and take their time doing so without incurring the time on tow penalty. The penalty would then be for time using power on tow. Bill Wingstedt **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.....or I couild hae read the article in context:-)
If you all are really interested and bored to death in this lousy weather, you can go to http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883683page=8 and read a ton of stuff about electric sailplanes and altitude limiting. It will probably come in due time and I am trying to help that along, but as you will see from the thread on RCGroups it needs real organization. The LSF is the SIG for electric sailplanes but I am not sure the new officers know that yet and what a bag of worms they own. There is a core group of us working the issue (not as hard as we should be) trying to come up with a logical plan to see if electric launched sailplanes are just the same as a hand launched sailplane or a winch launched sailplane or people towed sailplane. In other words, just another launch method to get to some almost common launch height to start looking for air. If anyone one you Pure sailplane pilots want to help, bring an electric powered sailplane to the LSF Winch Launched Nats and either purchase a Zlog from Barry Kennedy or me (I will try to have several loaners there) and we will organize an after hours test using F3J rules. I would love to see 10 guys launching together and see what the Zlog is really capable of doing in a mock contest round or two. Lets end the talk and do something together to get this discussion into some kind of real data to work from. As a group, I think we are the only ones who will benefit or loose from exploring electric launched sailplanes. Have fun reading the RCgroups thread. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Altitude limiting device is a Z-log, I believe, and with that 500 ft is 500 ft. or whatever height has been selected and your time starts when the motor is shut off by the device. You timer is still using a visual connection to start the stopwatch just as it is with winch launching and when you land is now up to you, as it always is. Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: Lincoln Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just read the article. To some extent, I find myself agreeing (did I Snip--- -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
[RCSE] Looking for a Nats roomie
I have a room at the Fairfield for the full winch launched and electric sailplane Nats and am looking for someone to share the cost with. Let me know if you are interested off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] My normal roomie backed out for personal reasons and is not going this year. -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] OVSS #1 contest in Cinci was a wild one!
Sounds like fun, glad I stayed home. I was really thinking of coming until I called family in Kettering and they said I was crazy to come. Jack On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:06 AM, Karl Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got back home from the Cincinnati Memorial contest which was the first this year in the Midwest OVSS contest series. What a blast it was to fly in! Rain was predicted all weekend but it never showed up. The winds however were up in the 15 to 25mph range both days which made for some rough, exciting, challenging, hairy, lumpy, and fun flying! There was a lot of carnage and it was the most times I have ever heard Heads up ! at a contest. There was a treeline on the West side of the field which created a nasty and turbulent rotor on the field over the landing zone. This made for some of the most difficult landings I have ever done. Many planes were swatted out of their flight paths by the furious winds and tossed like leaves sideways and down to the ground prematurely into the pits or out of bounds. Amazingly no cars or persons were hit. Two pilots did manage to land in the trees. The omnipotent Gordy was there to the rescue and bravely waded through over a foot of water and climbed the tree to free John Diniz's Supra. He let out a loud Tarzan yell as the plane came tumbling out of the tree with only a broken loose servo and some wing scratches and dings. Hooray for Gordy! Other incidents included: a smoking winch, which just happened to occur while I was launching my Icon... ( I think it was a coincidence of wind and wear so they gave me a relaunch), A turn around was pulled out of the ground while I was shagging chutes and flew over me and luckily landed 50 feet away. It travelled over a 100 feet in the air! Did I mention the ground and grass was muddy and marshy from 5 days of previous rain? There were some interesting launches where various parts departed on the way up including ; a v-tail shearing off, Steve Sebenalar's fuselage boom snapping in half, a Genie had one half a stab flying off and the other remained for a very short flight, and several others. Many a wingtip and fuse was broken or bent just trying to land. I somehow escaped mostly unscathed with only a new crease in the bottom skin of my wing. Saturday was all 6 minute tasks and it was difficult to get 4 and 5 minutes with the wind and very short winch lines. Sunday was a little better weather with 10 minute tasks all day and some huge lift did come by in irregular cycles if you were lucky to be the group that was in the air at the time. That did happen to me on my last flight of the day Sunday, and I finally got to sky out against the numerous huge, looming,cumulous clouds in the blue and partly sunny sky. Thanks to Barry Anderson, Paul Seigel and all at CSS for hosting this event. It was a great soaring contest and one I think I will remember for a long time! Can't wait for OVSS #2. Results from memory I think are: Saturday 1.Pat Crosby 2.Steve Sebenalar 3.Karl Miller 4.Rob Glover 5. Glauco Lago Sunday: 1.Karl Miller 2.Paul Siegel 3.Glauco Lago 4.Chris Lee 5.Walt VanGorder Karl Miller Soar Chicago,IL -- E-mail for the greater good. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft.http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_+GreaterGood -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly
I fly indoors with a couple of really hot heli guys. Guess what, the best of them and I think he is really good tells me there maybe a tad difference but he is not really sure, at any rate it will not matter for a newbe heli guy like me. BTW, really good to me is rolling circles one foot off of the tarmac and rolling flips at the same height. Scary!!! Jack On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:14 PM, TG Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lag argument is well...goofy. I have heard the Heli guys say they notice a difference, which actually makes some sense. The Heli is far more susceptible to lag than perhaps any other radio controlled device. I have also heard the IMAC guys say they notice a difference. Maybe they do...but I kinda doubt it. We dial in Expo to reduce the stick glitch, yet we are told that response is a bigger deal than perhaps it is. Like I saidgoofy. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:32:34 -0500 Subject: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly To: Soaring@airage.com *These two reasons are why I like the 2.4 system. And I will add one other, the response really is better. For the first time in my flying the plane is doing what I want when I want it, I don't have to compensate by anticipating the lag.* ** ** Okay I was waiting for this one. With a standard FM system, not even a PCM System (which by the way is about the same as a 2.4 system...the word 'digital' is sort of a hint there)...with a standard FM system the time between a guy moving his thumb and the servo beginning its movement is not visible to they eye...as it looks immediate. However the indication above implies that the delay in the information getting to the servos from the stick is with none digital TX systems, would cause some sort of delay in the now pay attentionthe movement of the airframe. Movement of the airframe is not 'only' a function of servo moving servos. AIRSPEED is a bigger factor and one that varies the lag in response way more than any micro second change in the information time from thumb to servo. The next factor is servo speed 'while under their normal surface duties'. A far cheaper way to increase 'response' would have been to get digital servos. Lets not add fluff to an the benefits of a system which in the end is just another way to control models. And in the end the question to the above gleeful reason to own a digital systemhow many contests will that faster response time help you win this seasonmight be interesting to track compared to last season. Likely any wins won't be due to improved flying skills, it will have to be the result of that signal lag which caused slower responses of your sailplane ;-). Freedom is the big reason. Freedom to turn on anywhere, the park, that empty lot, the space next to a factorya park. Gordy pretty quick response, hey? -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301 -- Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now!http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Postal Ladder Challenge
Mike, The electric soaring guys do this kind of thing on a monthly basis (X5J)- Bob Burson set it up several years ago and it seems to go well world-wide. He manages this on RC Groups so if you want to look over his techniques, take a look- http://www.rcgroups.com/electric-sailplanes. I am only suggesting that if you get this going, perhaps RC Groups is a better format to spread the event (or both formats for that matter). BTW, we have a foot of snow on the ground in my area and today will probably just break zero actual and a 25 mph wind- I ain't going nowhere- Jack On Feb 9, 2008 10:05 PM, mike reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to try this as practice for the upcoming contest season. Then I thought why not let everyone get in on the fun! The rules are simple, do an 8min. 10min. 12min. and 14min. flight (in order). This is not precision, so you can time yourself, just go over the time by at least one second. After you make each time do a normal measured 25ft landing. Now here is the catch. After each landing you can do that flight again to try to improve on the landing but you only keep your last landing. You cannot go back, you must start over if your unhappy with your score, take as many tries as you need to get each time. Score 1point per second, 2460 total max for time, each landing divide by 2, 50points per landing, making 2660points possible. Three classes, Open, RES, and Easy Glider. Bragging rights only. E-mail your best score and we will compare. This will be on going. Looking to fly tomorrow, we have had rain the last 3 weekends. Mike Reagan -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Tree story - straight down with a twist.
For those that need revenge--- 50mph winds at 2 AM blew down a very large pine in my back yard last night, only winged things that are affected are the bunches of birds that live there because the feeder is only 15 feet away. Tree guys coming at 11:00. Jack On Jan 30, 2008 10:18 AM, David Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/29/08 8:43:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why has every tree strike I've had end up with my prized glider stalling straight down on a wing tip. Go figure. My first thought was to step into its path and catch it. My second thought was to step out of the way to avoid being injured. The model descended rapidly accelerating as it traveled. Of course the battery was dead so I had no control. At about 20 feet it pulled out of the dive, flew down the abandoned street, over the first house on the right, made a left turn and was headed directly back to me. I was mesmerized by the scene and could not move. The model settled to the ground in the cul de sac and slid to the curb by my feet! Don Richmond San Diego, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com You're killing me Don! LOL Z RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] New thread--- what are you building this winter?
Not much time to build anything new, been flying indoor this winter so a lot of repairs on the heli and 3D machines (learning close order acro means repairs). May get time to do some woodworking and assemble one new ARF Extra 350 ultra-light. I will clean and tune up all my sailplanes for next summer but probably nothing new. Have fun doing what ever you are doing. Jack On Jan 12, 2008 9:05 PM, Kevin O'Dell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A vintage Airtronics Legend and maybe a 2meter from Art Hobby Kevin O'Dell On Jan 12, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Jimmy Prouty wrote: I'm building a new A-6 PSS bird and a road trip thermal/electric bird. A-6 is almost done, designing the wing for the thermal/ electric. Jimmy At 10:52 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: I'm building a Genie LTS and an Allegro. What are you all building, creating, designing? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] 2.4 Gig JR v Futaba ???
The Profi 4000 has all of the 14MZ functions that count (sorry- no audio) plus' several more that most sailplane guys will never use but are there for the really technical applications. Not very popular because of the style but it is fantastic if you use a tray or strap. Programming is really logical and quite easy once you understand it and is is a lot less expensive than the 14. Too bad Hitec will not support them much longer but we all hope they will come out with a radio as complete to replace it someday. My two have been bullet proof for about six years. Jack On Dec 4, 2007 5:53 PM, Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Anderson wrote: Craig, There are several factors why the JR 9303 2.4 is getting more press than the Futaba. 1) This is a soaring list serve and the 9303 has received much greater acceptance as a 6+ servo sailplane radio than any of the Futaba transmitters. True enough. Unfortunately not enough of the 14MZ radios are being used in soaring (big in aerobatics and helis) to realize what an incredible radio it is for soaring. Assign any function to any stick, switch, slider, etc. Including mixes, trims, whatever. Whatever you can think of you can do. Same holds true for the less expensive 12Z and 12FG. Up to 9 flight conditions per model. Each condition allows you to change EVERYTHING except where the functions are assigned and the channel. Anything else can be changed. Throws, mixes, etc. The Futaba 12 to 14 series radios are truly powerful and flexible radios. Honestly I cannot imagine having to mess with anything less now. Kind of like once I got a microwave I could not imagine how I got along without one.!! 2) Futaba entered the 2.4 GHz market with a very limited function transmitter which was not of much interest to the 6+ servo sailplane market. They have also come to market much later and much more slowly than Spektrum/JR, so Futaba has a tiny installed base compared to the others. Many Futaba users, like myself, have purchased Spektrum modules for our Futaba Radios. That is the same technology that JR uses. True for airplanes. Futaba has been in the car/boat world for sometime and has pretty god market penetration there. 3) Spektrum/JR, XPS and Futaba all use Spread Spectrum of one form or another, but only Futaba uses continuous frequency hopping. I will let the wizards argue which is better, but they all seem to work, so to most users, the difference does not matter much. This is like PPM vs. PCM, both are 72 MHz FM. Which is better vs. which is most popular. They both work. In a sense I agree. It can become a very academic argument. Personally, I like the continuous hopping scheme over the other types of implementation. 4) There is a lot more hands on experience in the user community with Spektrum/JR than with XPS or Futaba. SS I agree. But radios in general not so much. At many large contest Airtronics still rules the roost with Futaba and JR splitting the remainder. Plus it can be very regional as well. 5) Spektrum/JR offers the widest range of receiver choices. For many people, this is very important. In SS this is true. However, given how tiny these things are I can't see that as an issue. At least for me. Even the 14 channel RX is smaller than most 4 channel 72 RXs!! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Cincy Pumpkin Fly Update, Day 1.....I WON!
Yea, bull! Hutch, Dave Corven and I drove down from MI last night and went to the field about 11 after the big rain stopped and the results are Hutch, first - Corven, second and Iafret, third.At least I get an I beat Gordy Button. Actually Dave and I got here about five and called the Mark and went to dinner with the rest of the MI guys, Mark and Steve.See you tomorrow.JackOn 11/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got up at about 5:30 to heavy rain here in Louisville, and cold and windy, so I hopped back in the sack for a few more hours. Ben Wilson and Ed Wilson (with little Lee in tow) got to the site a few hours later with an update that it was a washout for today. Tomorrow is gonna be incredible but cold, about 49 tops..however sunny and light winds, so should be a really good day for soaring. About noon I hopped in the pickup, with wife and Wisconsin friends along and we headed over to Churchill Downs to play the poniesstill cold but no rain, there was the Chili Cookoff comp going on there, so chowed down on some smokin chilis and then proceeded to use up some of my luck on the horses. Walked away with some tasty heart burn and about $60 in winnings. Planes are charged and loaded, so its Cincy or bust tomorrow ! More after that :-) Gordy -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] FS NIB Gladiator
One of our GDSHS friends has a NIB Gladiator for sell. It is listed on Icare or Soaring USA at $350 but he is looking for cash and wants $280 plus shipping. I have the plane as he is not connected with the soaring community and it looks a lot like a Blaster with solid balsa tail feathers rather than the built up ones on the Blaster. Wing (hollow molded) looks very much like the Blaster and the plane has a nice nose cone and equipment bay. Should be an easy build. Let me know if you are interested. Nice Christmas present. Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS NIB Gladiator DLG
One of our club members wants to sell his NIB Gladiator DLG because he will never fly it. I guess it was an impulse buy and now he wants some cash for other planes. Price on Soaring USA is $350 and he will sell it for $270 plus shipping cost. I am trying to sell it for him as he does not know anything about the exchange or other groups (he is here from Russia on work assignment) and he knows I sell stuff for Kennedy Composites so asked me to help him out. Contact me off line if you are interested. Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Fwd: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts
Sorry, I only sent this to Tony and it should have gone to all.-- Forwarded message --From: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sep 13, 2006 8:07 PMSubject: Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughtsTo: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED]OK, my one comment. Read my post of the History of LSF earlier in response to Chuck Anderson's post. I have been there and know what if means to be a an LSF person- are you? ( I am only an L IV and may never do the 8 hour slope to get LV because I don't care. That is the point- individual achievement). LSF is kind of like a goal in the sky, only the strong will succeed. If it is watered down, what is the point.The whole point in the LSF is to be under LSF 200 at this point in time (LSF 100 is done). What else could you ask for, to be one of the the best 200 in the world (LSF is a world organization). You can only exceed the LSF goals if you present a program that is more difficult in the world of new technology, not worse.If we were all equal, who would be the leaders?IMHO,Jack Iafret On 9/13/06, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may be wrong (probably am), but perhaps some of the unease in the world could be mitigated by one little change in the LSF rules, without changing any tasks at all.The rules say: requirements for the subsequent Levels may be achieved any time after the previous Level form has been postmarked... So you can't get credit for Level III, IV or V tasks until everything in Level II is done and sent off, etc.Now just maybe if you relaxed this requirement, it might make some of the LSF dissidents happier. If a guy wanted to fly only thermal, for example, he could fly all his thermal tasks right up to the two-hour, and he could say, Well, I have done the thermal requirements for Level V. Then maybe he'd be motivated to do some of the slope tasks, or the XC, or the contests or whatever. The LSF could even give out separate little stickers for thermal, slope, XC, and contests.This changes things very little, yet it addresses quite a few of the specific issues that have been raised on this thread. Now I've made my one and only comment, and I will now shut up.RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED].Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
I have stayed out of this foray but will offer only one clarification. When you talk about the planes of yor, we all flew those. Today we all fly what is out there today so the competition is just as meaningful as it was 20 years ago. It is not moldies against woodies but the playing field is still level. It is just as hard today as it was 20 years ago, in fact for me it is harder because age is catching up with capability.BTW, got most of my LV wins with the woodies. Have needed the 8 hour for about 12-15 years and never had the desire to do it to complete the V. JackOn 9/6/06, Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys,Here is my 2 cents worth on the topic.First off, I am currently a Level III Pilot needing only my Goal and Return to complete Level IV.I plan to continue under the current guidlines to strive to reach Level V.I am going to do so because I have always felt like and still do feel like the LSF program is strictly a personal accomplishment program and always will be.I have had to complete Level IV basically twice because I lost my original voucher with only needing to compete in one more contest to complete it.Oh well, big deal it is all about the journey anyway and it was fun to do it all again.I know for me to ever reach Level V,I am going to have to travel and do so a lot to get there.The deal is, you not only have to find the contests with 20 or more contestants you have to beat 19 or more of those contestants 3 times to complete your task.I may never complete the journey, but I will never regret starting it and working my way along the path.I have met many friends along the way and hope to meet many more before I am done. With all that being said, I personally think there would be nothing wrong at all with some of the suggestions being made for a two tier system.The idea of a two tier system will not change the overall accomplishment put forth by the program.It will just give another program in which to persue. The arguement of How Dare do you Change the Current System is every bit as outdated and and old as the arguement to change it.I am sure glad that we did not all pose the same arguement when it came to new glider designs over the same time period that the LSF has been in existance.If you are all so worried about protecting the accomplishment of those that came before us in getting to Level V then do the tasks with the same types of planes they used instead of the latest and greatest world beater molded plane. Change is not always evil, and in most cases will promote growth, new interest, and even revives old interest. Okay, I will step down and let the next guy have his turn at this.See Ya,Pat McCleaveWichita, KSRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] R.I.P. Friend
So long Butch, we are really going to miss you.John, take care.JackOn 8/21/06, Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone in the soaring community, we have lost a dear friend and truly a clown at heart. I just got of the phone with Johnny Berlin. Butch passed away this morning around 11:00am. Butch was probably one of the neatest Dog's I have ever been around and he was always glad to see everyone ( and their food ). If ever there was a dog that personified the words Mans Best Friend it would have to be Butch. Please think of Johnny as you pray for those who are in need as he has just lost his best friend! H- -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Last call for F5J sailplane MOM contest
The Mid-West Challenge is coming up this weekend so if you are into electric launched sailplanes, come and join the fun. The site is really nice for the whole family. The Woodward Cruise is going on so if you like cars, you should be here Saturday PM. All the details are on our web site www.gdshs.com == Look under the F5J contest button. Jack RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lexington Ky Mid-America Soaring Championships Aug 26 27
And if you can't go there, come to Muncie and help with the F3B team select. Looking for volunteers for this all important meet. Jack Iafret CD On 8/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys Don't forget that this is part of the Ohio Valley Soaring Series, sponsored by the Horizon and JR. In case you all ain't got it , they are 100% about rc soaring, from contests to xcountry to scaleand they put their support behind our contest with goodies. but I digressed :-) The Mid-Am is two days of fun and soaring with competitors from Tennessee, Atlanta, Ohio, St Louis, West Virginia, even Don Richmond has been known to come to compete from CA, but that's not all, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, North Carolina, ..you never know who might show up. Last minute it could be David Hobby from Melbourne, or JW, or DP, LJ, heck maybe even Quabeck or Sealy. :-) So get your planes tuned up, and smiles rested, cuz here comes the Mid Am Soaring Champs! Gordy-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] S-AVA
Works great so far. Full control to touchdown.9 and 1/2 inches from each end if I remember, one servo on each side and you do not even have to remove the covering, go it from the top and put in a little plywood floor to mount the servo to. I use two channels so end point etc is easy. JackOn 8/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Harry, it appears that if you make two spoilers, center area fixed, the you can use full spoiler travel without blocking the elevator and the spoilers may also act like an airbrake for even slower landing approaches. Ask Iafret how his works. Dave Corven.-- Original message --From: Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guy's The link bellow is to the WMSS club site where Dennis Hoyles wife Jean's pictures are. Jean did a excellent job. Everything went well last night from the test toss to the flights after. The Spoiler is extremely effective and needs very little travel, the approach to the spot predictable and steady, no RES wobble. This weekend will be my first contest with the S-AVA and I'm sure it will not dissapoint! All I can say is WOW what a floater, I can't wait to get her ballasted up and see what she can do for speed. This thing is HUGE and nimble two words I never thought could occupy the same plane but the S-AVA is an anomaly a freak that I'm glad to own!! Harry http://www.rcsoaring.org/images/harrysAva/index.htm -- Forwarded message --From:Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Soaring soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +Subject:[RCSE] S-AVA Guy's The link bellow is to the WMSS club site where Dennis Hoyles wife Jean's pictures are. Jean did a excellent job. Everything went well last night from the test toss to the flights after. The Spoiler is extremely effective and needs very little travel, the approach to the spot predictable and steady, no RES wobble. This weekend will be my first contest with the S-AVA and I'm sure it will not dissapoint! All I can say is WOW what a floater, I can't wait to get her ballasted up and see what she can do for speed. This thing is HUGE and nimble two words I never thought could occupy the same plane but the S-AVA is an anomaly a freak that I'm glad to own!! Harry http://www.rcsoaring.org/images/harrysAva/index.htm -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Super AVA
Harry, I'm with you man.Few my electric version today for the second time. First time was just too scary on 10 cells and I thought I would rip the wings off (Neu 1506-1D with a 18X10). Today was with 7 cells and got to winch launch height in about 7-10 seconds at full power (Dennis Kozak timing the motor run). From there it is pure heaven, this big ass bird flys like a hand launch even with the extra weight.Today was the Perfect Day for sailplanes in our area. We flew maybe 8 rounds of inpromptu MOM F5J with a mix of all kinds of electric sailplanes. Mix of winners because everyone made the 10 minutes and it was a landing contest for sure. Lot of good practice today.JackOn 8/9/06, Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swore I wouldn't do this but I broke down and bought a Super-AVA. After seeing their performance at the Nat's it's hard to deny this planes ability to hang. Well after calling and asking if they had mailed the key separately for the sport tube (DAH!) and finding it was taped to the rear handle. I felt as though I didn't deserve such a gem of a plane LOL. I picked up a Yellow fuse with Violet wings, man is this thing pretty! After reviewing the contents of the Sport tube I was convinced that I had the makings of a great floater! I checked the link on Kennedy's site http://www.rcsoaring.com/docs/AVA_Instructions.pdf and found a very well written set of recommendation's using these as well as the instructions on the Kennedy site Iwas very comfortable with the direction I was heading. In just a few nights after work (around 8 hours) I have this monster ready for flight. I can't wait to get out tonight and give her a test flight or two! At 43oz. all up this is the most insanely light plane I have ever put together. I plan on taking several pic's of my efforts in putting the S-AVA together and will be posting these latter or I can send to anyone interested, just ping me off line and I will get them to you. Harry De Boer -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] F3B Team Select
There have been no block of rooms reserved this year so those attending are on their own to get a room. In the past, the Fairfield inn has been the common place to stay. Jack Iafret RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Robin Meeks, please ping me
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[RCSE] Not at the NAT's but will be at F3B Team Select, how about you?
I can tell you last week was a bummer for me as it was the first nats I missed in a long time. Reading the various reports is both good and bad, good because the team sounds like they did their normal fantastic job and bad because of the envy I have for the people who were there and I wasn't. I lost both my UNL ships in two weeks prior to the event and never enter two meter (which is why I have been the 2M CD for the last couple of years). That was the main reason, Nostalgia not being there was another- I guess I could have come for RES but without an AVA type plane, it did not seem worth the effort and cost for one day of playing around. That being said, I really missed it and if all goes well will be back next year if for nothing other than to be there. It is a great group of people to be with for a week.As some of you know I will be CD for the F3B team select this year (24-27 AU) and am putting out another plea for some of those of you that can to be volunteers for that great event, it is nothing like the NAT's and a lot of work, but is so important for our country. We will select the people that repesent the USA in F3B at the next World Championships. Working there is not an easy chore because we do not have a cast of seasoned workers like the NAT's, but it is oh so rewarding. Unlike the Nat's with the great cast of volunteers, the TS usually relys on it's own pilots to do a lot of the work which is really kind of low class in my mind, these people have a lot to do just to compete and to ask them to do a lot of the chores is just not right. I know gas is high and motels are high and everything else is high but please give up something you really don't need and only want to come and help. Let me know if you can be part of the group that selects our World competitors. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED].Thanks for the bandwidth-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Richard Botha, Please ping me
Contact me offlineThanksJack-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] WTB- Elipse 4 Lt. Wing Panel
Hope this one goes out, changed some settings to see if it will work.I am hoping someone going to the NAT's will have a left wing panel for the E4. If so contact me off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thanks-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Paging JW
Joe please ping me off line about the F3B TS, I do not have your email address or phone number and we need to talk a little. Jack RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for JW
Joe please ping me off line about the F3B TS, I do not have your email address or phone number and we need to talk a little. Jack RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] X5J electric sailplane contest on 19-20 August
Opps, sorry for the repeats. Not sure what happened as I tried to send this over the last two weeks. Somehow they must have been stored and when I hit the right button, they all went at once.Really strange and I have no idea what happened. I tried sending it on gmail and thunderbird so I don't know what one did what. Again sorry for the anoyance.JackOn 7/9/06, Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society(www.gdshs.com ) is goingto hold it's first electric launched sailplane contest August 19 and 20.All information is on our web site (www.gdshs.com) under the F5J CONTESTbutton on the left side of the home page so I will not detail it here. If you plan on coming, please send me your frequency request as we aretrying to have one frequency per contestant and I will update thefrequency list on a weekly basis (except Nats week). I am not a good webmaster yet so do not know how to set up an interactive site to signup. No money now, only when you get here.Not on the site yet is the fact that this is also the Woodward Cruiseweek and weekend so if you plan on coming and staying overnight you may want to get a motel in the Rochester area now as they will fill upquickly. There are just too many to list on our site so do a search onthe area to get rates etc. The field is about 11 miles north ofRochester (maps on the site) so go for a motel north of town to the Oxford area or north of that if need be.Camping at Addison Oaks (linkis on our site) is good but again if this is your desire, check withthem as sites fill up for the weekends quickly.Hutch has a great little cabin he rents out at his farm to horse show people for $60.00 a night and it would probably take several people butI think you need to bring you own bedding etc (not sure). You canpractice fly there if you wish as the hay is gone and he has 40 acres of not much. Call him on 248-628-9306 if you are interested.For any ofyou car guys, the Cruise would be fantastic thing to doFriday all day or Saturday after flying. It is a fantastic party and I for one will hate to miss it this year as I will be a little busy withthe contest.Jack IafretRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Electric Sailplane contest 19-20 AU
The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society (www.gdshs.com) is going to hold it's first electric launched sailplane contest August 19 and 20. All information is on our web site (www.gdshs.com) under the F5J CONTEST button on the left side of the home page so I will not detail it here. If you plan on coming, please send me your frequency request as we are trying to have one frequency per contestant and I will update the frequency list on a weekly basis (except Nats week). I am not a good webmaster yet so do not know how to set up an interactive site to sign up. No money now, only when you get here. Not on the site yet is the fact that this is also the Woodward Cruise week and weekend so if you plan on coming and staying overnight you may want to get a motel in the Rochester area now as they will fill up quickly. There are just too many to list on our site so do a search on the area to get rates etc. The field is about 11 miles north of Rochester so go for a motel north of town to the Oxford area or north of that if need be. Camping at Addison Oaks (link is on our site) is good but again if this is your desire, check with them as sites fill up for the weekends quickly. Hutch has a great little cabin he rents out at his farm to horse show people for $60.00 a night and it would probably take several people but I think you need to bring you own bedding etc (not sure). You can practice fly there if you wish as the hay is gone and he has 40 acres of not much. Call him on 248-628-9306 if you are interested. For any of you car guys, the Cruise would be fantastic thing to do Friday all day or Saturday after flying. It is a fantastic party and I for one will hate to miss it this year as I will be a little busy with the contest. -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] X5J Contest August 19-20
I know most of us are winch launch people but this is still a sailplane contest and is for all practical purposes an F3J contest with self-powered planes rather than line-backer power so I thought I would post it here as well as on the RC Groups electric sailplane forum. I am more and more convinced that my club and probably many more clubs are drifting to electric launch due to the advantages of no winch and no retriever operator. The older my OFB's get, the more we are looking to make flying more fun and this seems to have hit the spot. Woodie contests seems to be the other venue for fun and lots of air time. Enough of the discussion, see the post I put on RCGroups below: *Contest - F5J Midwest Challenge* I thought it would be time to put out another note on our up coming contest. It will be August 19-20 and will be our first major F5J (or X5J) contest and all of the particulars are on our web site www.gdshs.com http://www.gdshs.com under the F5J contest button. If any of you are planning on coming, I would request you send me a note off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell me your frequency and what event you are entering so we can have a matrix built ahead of time. I do not want any entry fee until you show up but frequency and such will help us a lot. I will update the web site frequency list once a week if necessary. One thing that is not on the site yet is that this is the weekend of the Woodward Cruise and is an event to go to at night and see tens of thousands of hot rods and customs cruising one of the most famous 1950's era drag racing streets of the US. Or, come a day early and spend all of Friday at the Cruise. Believe me, it is a party to remember. We have had one mock contest so far with club members to work out the bugs and will have a second one in a week or two. Because this is our first time we surly will make a couple of errors but the dress rehearsals should help a lot (the first one did). Any questions not answered on the web site can be directed to me. Thanks for the bandwidth Jack -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] First Plane
First R/C was a Firebird (I think) bipe with a .15 and Rand exscapment. First sailplane was a Grapner Cirrus.First thermal was at the high school in West Carrilon, Ohio (Dayton Burb).Jack On 6/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Darwin's Lil T out at the 'Dust Bowl' flying site north of Phx. That spot is probably a shopping mall now. My first sailplane was a 12ft Bong Boomer designed by Maynard Hill for altitude records. It had a HUGE stick built fuselage that could hold a gallon can of fuel. I had a small 2oz tank on mine and flew it with a Mcoy .19 motor. Maybe Darwin remembers my hat? Doc -- Original message -- From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] First sailplane was a Midwest Lil T as well. Had an .049 on the front and flew hundreds of times when I was 10 years old. Had a park near my house and would fly almost everyday. Later put an OS 10 on it. Lost it later when the radio switch failed.Have always had a sailplane in the fleet. DArwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: Mike Fox To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: [RCSE] First Plane First Sailplane was a Midwest lil' T. Highly modified of course. Before that we were flying these Foam planes you can buy at k-mart for kids. Put twoservos in them (Rudder Elevator) a Cox TD 020 power pod on top. Proformance Sucked, but we were soaring. Mike Fox -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Test
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Re: [RCSE] W.M.S.S. Woody
I will back up Harry's report as Saturday being the best thermal day I have ever seen, very light wind, lots of light thermals that went up to OOS range and once above 1000 feet, you could go anywhere and stay up for as long as you wanted. I did put up a tent but never used it, we were all in the air all the time (no timers required so everyone flew). I think we were all tired at the end of the day but the smiles were from ear-to-ear.I did have some fun by seeing how long I could let the Paragon fly without touching the stick, 3:22 and then had to land or it would have been much longer. It is really weird watching your plane fly with your hand in your pocket and it doing a better job than you could have. When I said no wind, the whole flight (5 min) was over the field and it did not drift more than a couple of hundred feet, total. Harry is a good CD, not great because he let it rain on us Sunday ;-). Sunday was a challenge and he who launched highest and floated best won, there was no up and only enough lift at time to maintain altitude for few minutes. Thanks to Harry and the team, great team and good fun.JackOn 6/26/06, Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the CD all I can say is thank you to everyone who participated 24 Saturday and 19 Sunday ,also to those who came and helped (Larry Jeffries and others). This was the most fun event I have ever attended. If you ever get the chance to get to one of the Woody typecontest it is a must. The format allows for more flying in one day then most get in a Month. Several pilots from the surrounding area asked when we would be doing this again and all I can say is not soon enough!! Ken Bates walked away with top honors both days and the overall, Greg Smith took best model Sat, Harry De Boer had longest flight at 1hr 20min 57sec on Sat. Sunday Bob Robinson took best model and Martin Doney had the longest flight at 7 min 57sec. From the times of the longest flights you can see the Saturday was incredible and Sunday was a struggle. I'm making plans to attend as many of these types of events as I can, but I will have to sneak in a Two Meter MOM now and again!! Harry De Boer LSF 6357 AMA 2343 -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] The Roo I remember...
It would be cool if Roo showed up at the USA team select in August ;-).On 6/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.f3x.no/roo/index.htm I met Roo for the first time in a bar in Calgary I think, although who knows, he travels even more than I do! So likely we have passed in an airport along the way. He and Joey have been buds for some time, and they have mouching down to an art. Free room and board where every they go, and watch your booze, they like to tip a few after flying. Take a look at Jojo's website for an update on Roo and Joey's recent travels. Gordy -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] Mike Fritz, Please ping me
At [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] F3B
OK Harry, here is your chance to learn the path to glory or maybe just to learn a little.I am going to be the CD of the team select at Muncie this year (only so Dave can fly) and will be doing the timing chore and overall good observer. This is my second time and it has been a prevliage. If you really want to learn about F3B, go to the NATS and watch and then volunteer for the team select as I did to help the good guys out. The learning experience is fantastic and it is one of the few things I can do to help our team compete for the Worlds. I feel that I am too old and tired to practice enough to even try to fly this fantastic event but I know you and you are not. The first step is really paying attention and watching the perfect turns in speed- no bobbles, no dives, no climbs, no zizgs, no zags. It is like watching a perfect 10 in any sporting event. Few do it and we are taking about the best in the world. The guys are fantastic to work with as there is never enough help and the world champs even pitch in to do chores that no F1 driver would consider (maybe Michael is the exception).I will be glad to be whatever help I can (vey limited because I am not a competitor) but understand it will take a committment on your part to travel, to team up with the few other guys east of the Mississippi and maybe not even fly for a year to understand the committment. Call me if you want,JackOn 5/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey guys I have ,a spare Fisher Plus V-Ultra fuselage and V tail. It is all rigged up with the wing harness and pushrods All is needed is to make a wing for it (wing is RG15) I have an F3B and F3F fuselage and V tail.. It's a steal$175.00 plus sh- Original Message -From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:27 amSubject: Re: [RCSE] F3B Harry DeBoer wrote: Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about F3B; 3. how do you get started? Just like anything else in the hobby. It helps to have some others around to assist you.And it helps even more to have a group that flies together. This lets you practice some of the man on man aspects, plus a little friendly competition in practice on who is launching highest, going fastest, etc never hurt anyone in improving thier model setup. And of course, RCSE doesn't hurt. Obviously there were quite a few responses. Mostly from guys who really love to fly F3b. There really is no way to explain what it is like to fly distance and speed to someone who has only flown TD.You can be descriptive and say what takes place, but until you've flown some good distance groups and done it is some good air, you just don't know... 4. what airplanes qualify? Almost anything qualifies. Lots of TD models are out there with MH- 32's, RG15's, etc. They are good enough to get the feel of the tasks and to learn a lot about flying.Like models will go up without circling You can even fly a Supra in F3b.And if you go to ancient history... you can use a woody. 5. about how much dose it cost to compete? Like anything, as much as you want.The biggest cost is the practice time you need to improve your flying skills.You can buy a good model, but it doesn't replace the practice required to learn to fly it well. 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest? Most F3b contests get run be the people flying them. If you read the rules, it looks like a billion officials. But just like our AMA TD contests, you don't need most of them.The only big overhead help item is getting guys out to base B for the distance flights. Your own helpers at base A can usually keep track of the flight times and count laps. There are a few F3b buzzer systems in various places around the US. Some of them even take care of all the timekeeping and lap counting. The only thing official needed is someone at base A and base B to push the appropriate buttons. And yes, you can even fly the F3b tasks in a contest all by yourself. I wouldn't recommend it, but it has been done. What you didn't ask is what can you learn from flying F3b.Of course, we all abuse Jeff Steifel, about his flying. But his overall flying has gotten better since he has been flying F3b. If you've never flown on monofilament and a F3b winch, you probably have a lot to learn about setting up your model for launch. I have several F3b winches. Great to launch my Bubble Dancer as well as my F3b models. Got rid of my FLS decades ago. I hope you get a chance to meet up with Dave or someone else in your area to give flying off some F3b winches a try.And you still have time to change your NATS entry from XC to F3b! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED].Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text
[RCSE] F5J or X5J Contest - August 19-20
Having decided that electric launched sailplanes are still sailplanes (same as HL, winch launch, hand tow), we the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society have decided to have a contest this year to try out this format. Basically it is an F3J format with electric motor power rather than people power and you can read the rules etc on our web site at www.gdshs.com under the F5J Contest button on the navigation bar.I put this out on the RCGROUPS (electric sailplane forum) a month ago and got a lot of positive feedback from the NEAC fokes. This first year will no doubt be a learning experience for us as our normal fair is open winch TD because of past field limitations making a 5 or 6 up MOM difficult. This spring the park has opened up our field and a 5 or 6 up MOM with electrics should be fine. I wanted to get this out to the contest sailplane contigent that may be interested so they can see if it fits in their schedule. Hope some of you can make it to help us get a handle on this new event and if I am correct (unlike Gordy, I was wrong once) this format and launch system is going to be a big boost for the sailplane community. We now do impromptu MOM duels that would never happen with one winch out. No one has to run the retriever and we use a count down tape in a boom box for a timer so timers are not needed (not super accurate but good enough for fun)---great when sport flying. We (the club) got a lot more flying in this winter because none of us would put up a winch in the snow and we could also fly at several different fields that could not sustain winch line length. Now that spring has spung the winch is coming out more, but not much. What to fly? We fly a lot of small stuff (about 2 meters) but I have a Graphite II electric and a Super AVA coming for electric so size, and performance is not an issue. Check www.kennedycomposites.com and www.nfmodels.com for examples.I am a dealer for both of these fine guys in my area as Barry has the big stuff and Kurt the little stuff and that way the field is covered. Kurt got me going on this last year and I am hooked. Sorry I took so long, but I got wound up about this.-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Great Day in FTW, 18 Fliers...
Not so lucky in Michigan, really bad weather with high winds, no sun and about 40 degrees. Only got eight out and only about half the flights made it to five minutes. It helped having an F3b ship with a little ballast so you could get to wave lift far out (sometimes). Jack IafretOn 4/2/06, Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great day in Ft. Wayne, 18 guys, great contest, close to a LV but justneeded a couple or three more guys and it would have been a voucher fillerfor someone.Too bad, someone missed out!Marc Gellart, CD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] F5J contest announment
I know this is a winch launched forum but I am going to post this anyhow and hope I do not offend too many of you. I just joined the RCGROUPS forum on electric launched sailplanes and put this announcement out there. = Well here goes the learning experience for the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society. Our pure sailplane club has been branching out for a year into electric launched sailplanes and we feel it is time to learn how the big dogs do it so we are going to hold a two day event so our club members can learn and the contestants can have fun contesting. The sanction is in the mail for August 19/20 and it will be two seperate contests with an overall first place for the two days. The flyer and rules are on our web site www.gdshs.com and I sure would like to hear from anyone interested in coming. I will try to set up a reserved frequency list on the site as soon as I learn how (just started webmastering this week). I am hoping to help the F5J movement in the midwest and make this an annual event if it works out. Any help any of you pros can give will be appreciated. I will be in the Kennedy Composite booth at Toledo if you want to one-on-one with me. Thanks for the support - Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Re: New year's Day Cancellation....or, you can't beat Gordy here this time.
As of now that is correct. 35 years of tradition coming to an end. Reasons; age (most members are old enough to be affected by cold weather), key members going south for the winter (club has a lot of retired persons now), the real workers that cart the equipment and set it up and run it are kind of burned out after years of doing it, attendance is trending downward (just the hint of bad weather keeps many away, age thing again). Probably a few more that are not evident at this time in my mind. Sad but age takes it toll on all of us. Jack- Past Snow Fly CD for years. On 12/15/05, Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard a rumor that the Detroit/Toledo SNOW FLY was going to give it upalso. anyone have info on this ???Ray Hayeshttp://www.skybench.comHome of Wood Crafters - Original Message -From: Brent Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Soaring@airage.comSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: New year's Day Cancellationor, you can't beat Gordy here thistime. Sad news for all. For the first time in ~25 years the Bloomington, Indiana New Year's Day Contest will not be held. I would like to thank all of the faithful participants for attending inthe past. I have chosen to discontinue CD'ing the event and as the bulk of my other club members are power-heads, no-one has taken up the task. My one faithful, local, soaring brother, Steve Jackson will be putting together something in the spring so I will keep you posted. Brent HooverRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] New Ky DS Record Set Today in Frankfort!
Well is was not so nice in Michigan today, but it was not bad for us this time of year. No sun with heavy cloud cover and no wind, I mean no launch any direction wind. OK the point of all this BS-- There was lift all day. We flew electric sailplanes all day and most flights were over 10 minutes and some a lot longer. I have no idea why as thermals did not appear to be present due to the calm but you could tell once up that there were very light thermal spaced in about 1/4 mile intervals. Nothing got you more than about 800 to 1000 but once up the ride down was so slow and gentle it was amazing. We had a really nice day honing our smoothness as any un-necessary input made you sink rather than rise or stay at the same height. Tomorrow is going to be a blow out someone said 40 mph plus :-(. On 11/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lift was booming and a whole crew of DS fanatics showed up to test their metal...er foam and glass sailplanes. I flew quite a few flights with the Siegels..no not seagulls, Paul and Rudy S came down from Ohio to grind the groove. Warm and partly cloudy, you couldn't have asked for a better day. As usual we had a Bat problem...WindRider EPP Bats that isthey tend to hog the DS groove! Half the time it looks like Batman is cleaning the cave with s many Bats zooming around the backside...and today was no exception! Paul had his 3m Sting ripping, as well as an Opus carbon 2m, rudy had glass back there too. I stepped up first thing with my trusty Synergy V t-tail and had it wound up tight. Love the look of that plane and its amazing that it stays together. Landings were smooth due to the high thermal activity, all you had to do was wait for one to move in front of the hill then come around in the smooth backside air for a tall grass landing at your feet. The highlight of my day was setting a new Ky state DS record and maybe a world record for the MPX Easy EPP Electric 2m glider in DS! After about 20 attempts I actually got it to make 5 or 6 complete circuits with a blinding top speed of about 20mph! No flutter and only had to kick the motor on twice to get around the front side of the groove :-) The Siegels are a blood thirst lot, so there was no way they could resist the Easy pickens, so was I was grooving the backside, the launched their Bats, got in synch with me and each other and flew a 'sandwich' pass above and below my Easy Glideras in a few inches above and below! Would have made a great shot and probably couldn't be staged in a million years by a million monkeys sitting at a million sorry got stuck in a million ;-) Bruce was hard at work at the Pet Shop :-( Wish you all could have been there! Remember SouthWest is good :-)(If you don't know the MPX Easy Glider, it is very pretty and flys pretty well too! Not a backside ship but definitely a front side sweety.)Gordy -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Some Thoughts on Soaring!
Can't wait to get mine going. I am building a hand wound outrunner to put behind a Cosmotech gear box (also from NF), in fact am making a couple of different stator winds as the hot one may be too hot. One of our guys is pulling 450 watts which may make the wings flutter a little. I have flown a Poly Sergio all last year and maybe have a 100 flights on it, it is a great Paragon type relaxing flying plane that goes up in a gofer belch. Biggest problem is getting it out of a boomer. I have been pushing Kurt's stuff in our club and we now have maybe eight or ten of his planes flying or getting ready to fly. The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society now has electric launched sailplanes (not 3D stuff) at almost every outing and we at times never put up a winch and do impromptu MOM with a couple of guys for fun. Flew the E-Graphite II on 10 cells today (Kennedy Composites) and it was a blast going straight up to launch height in less than 10 seconds. 15 seconds made it really small. Fun is back.. On 11/1/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stopped in Buffalo today after a rainy day of demoing beach cleaners in Toronto (yeah I sold some :-)... In any case after gorging on Buffalo wings and Killians, I met up with Kurt from Niagrafrontier Models to take custody of a brand new F5J ship, the Pulsar 2005. This is a 78 organic construction ship with a unique plug in nose cone. The only thing that is not in the nose are the rudder and elevator servos, they stay with the back part of the fuse and the tail boom. This is an xtail ship that packs into a really small case, and battery changes are a snap. This thing is sooo light that it needs a wooden case to keep in on the ground when its apart. Kurt is a great guy, a working stiff like the rest of us, who enjoys supplying and flying F5J stuff. He really knows this part of the hobby and from the past years results, the Pulsar line has proven itself worth dealing. For you guys who love to complain about the hobby and its suppliers, don't bother with Kurt, he'll disappoint you with friendly, interested service. :-) For the others who have been thinking about getting involved in F5J Speed 400 competitons, take a look. The Poly Pulsar has been the most popular because of its ease to thermal, but if you want the challenge of full control (like I do) the 2005 is the way to go. http://www.nfmodels.com/contact.html Gordylouisville or bust! -- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
Re: [RCSE] Model Aviation 2005 NATS Issue
Goodness, when did this happen? He sure did not last long.On 10/29/05, Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one of the reasons they sacked the new ExecutiveDirector?Mark __Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005http://mail.yahoo.comRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] MSL Finals next Saturday the 8th
The Michigan Soaring League final event will be held at the Addison Oaks Park in Oakland County and will include UNL, 2M, RES and best Nostalgia events. It will be a low key TD contest for most of us except the top five guys in the hunt as any of them can win it all, the rest of us will try to beat Hutch for fun and entertainment. Again we will have the great Brats and fermented cabbage by Wolfgang for lunch. You do not have to be an MSL member to fly so come and play if you want to have some soaring fun. The MSL trophies for the year will be awarded at the end of the day and suggestions for league rules changes will also be made at this time also so if you feel a change is needed, speak up. Jack Iafret CD for the day [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any questions RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Shadow rec
I have had one in my Poly-Sergio since I got it at Toledo and never had a hit that I know of. Plane has about 100 launches to date and still going strong. Several other guys in the GDSHS are using them in F5J planes and I have not heard of any glitches to date. Jack On 8/23/05, Shape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was wondering if anyone is having problems using the Shadow rec on electric type planes. Got a new YAK55 from Extreme Flight Rc an was thinking of using this reciever. Jerry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] L.I.F.T. Contest
Wish I could have been there, had planned on it but things just did not work out this time. Did any of the GDSHS guys make it up? On 8/15/05, Dennis Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LIFT contest in Traverse City this weekend was really fun. The weather was great especially Sunday. A sincere thanks to Jim Johnson, Larry Storie and the rest of the LIFT crew. Needless to say there was a lot of competition in 2M and Unlimited, which left a hole open for me to get my first, first place trophy in RES. :-) Thanks Marc for selling me that AVA. We also witnessed a battle between a Bald Eagle and a Hawk. Didn't know they would do barrel rolls. The eagle left the area to the east and came over closer to us. Later we noticed the Eagle had a couple of wing feathers missing. The hawk held his territory and continued to thermal in a nice lazy circle. Jim Johnson caught some lift with the eagle and they both skied out. Memorable... Dennis Hoyle WMSS AMA 11952 LSF II Sec / Treasurer / Web Geek | '-|_|-' -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tulsoar
Same in our club, we need to show the parks people we are using the land and if we don't I am sure they will find another group to use it. We have had no problems with electrics and a lot of us are not flying electric launched sailplanes, all the fun of sailplanes without the winch hassle. I am pushing F5J with Albuquerque rules and hope to have a contest next year using them. Will decide on the unlimited jobs after we try a couple and see what happens. The Extreme F5J rules are next on the tryout list to see if we can let all kinds of planes and motors fly in a contest and be fair. Jack On 8/10/05, ewilson12000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our club has grown with the addition of electric flyers. A few rules but electrics to the right of the winch and the sailplanes landing to the left with no problems. Being in a public park we do not allow hotliners but 3Ds and speed 400 stuff dominate. Several electric guys are now flying gliders also after seeing the fun we were having. I never understood why the power club did not want these guys around. I'll take all I can. Park useage is key with us protecting our flying site. More the merrier. Everyone is out to just have fun. Edwin Wilson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Death of a club
Amen On 8/7/05, George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent an email to one of my flying buddies in the Tulsoar (Tulsa OK) club asking when they were having their Last Fling contest. I've attended this contest for the past 15 or so years, only missing due to something fairly serious. I was saddened when I got his email back stating the club has lost its field. The owner died and the children quickly saw there was much more money in housing than sod and decided not to replant the grass. I'm certainly no historian on the Tulsoar club, but I know it's been around for at least 25 years, maybe more. They would typically put on a monthly contest, and a major, the Last Fling, in September. The club has been home to such notables as one of the members of the first F3B team, multiple TNT winners and they have had the honor of having such fliers as Joe Wurts, Mike Fox, B.J. Weisman, Mike Stump and Ron Weaver show up to the Last Fling. Sure, there are still guys in Tulsa who fly, but the organization has gone the way of the other clubs, including the one here in OKC. Our demise was due to all the work being done by 2 people who eventually burned out. They got tired of making 100 phone calls a month to get 6-10 guys to show up at the contest, only to see 3-4 of the 10 come from out of town. The 3-4 are the dedicated flyers trying not only to win a trophy, but to get to fly with others of similar interests, have some friendly competition and keep this great hobby going. I was distraught when the OKC club folded and now again knowing the fate of Tulsoar. Some members died, others had other responsibilities like raising a family, or having to work on weekends. The point is, there are fewer of us around these days and we all need to consider supporting our local or semi-local clubs, so our kids will have something to look forward too. I'll miss flying with the guys from Tulsoar. Maybe I'll see them at a contest in a surrounding state, or at a fun fly or Aero-tow. So for now, I'll have to be content with flying with the 3 other people in OKC who are interested in gliders and electrics. Those of you in large cities with big clubs, don't take your members for granted. Don't make 3-4 people do all the work. Volunteer for something, organize something, show up to one of your organized events and help out. Let's get this great hobby growing! George Voss RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Surfs Up, Dude!
We had an MSL (Michigan Soaring League) contest in the Detroit area today with the same kind of air. It was a hoot, all up or all down. Too bad it was not MOM. I did a speed 400 (Poly-Sergio) flight too kill time at the lunch break and was speced oit to the point of O crap, I am going to loose it. It took five mimutes of the stick in the corner to get it into view again. After a lot of flutter and soiled undies I was back at landing pattern height. Up she went again for another nice flight until the contest started again and I had to land and get serious. Nice day On 8/7/05, James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was out at the SOAR Hampshire field today, we had a day that was similar to the day we had at Nats for RES / NOS, blue sky, BIG air and BIG sink. Most of the SOAR northsider crew was out, Don Smith, Steve Meyer, Bill Christian, Rick McCarthy, Sniedley, TK, and Jimbo. Jimbo had his F3B winch out, and we were getting a bit less launch then we would from a F3J tow... perfect for practice. Crank out my first launch and start probing to one of my tree line honey holes... after a minute or so of transit time, I am down to 200' and Sniedley mentions that there is huge lift behind us. Great... I head out further upwind and it's a total sled ride, I am getting pounded. None the less I divert back to way home that is bound to give me lift, at least I wont take the same route I got pounded on the way out. Well, I left it TWO tall grass fields out, no short grass or tape for me... that was a LONG walk. And the second flight... major poundage as well, they didn't have the chute back before I was setting up to land. Wow, I mentioned to Jimbo this was good practice air and he recollected a recent slammed flight. Of course all this major sink is followed by a very HAPPY cycle, and I had to laugh, it was like someone called out... Surfs Up, Dude! One model after another launch and getting yanked upward into the sky. So much for any practice, this is going to be one of those sessions, you could sense the pilots feeding on the energy and air. I went into one of the fastest session of thermal looping I have ever had, the snap and energy burst I was getting over the top was unlike I have been able to rip thru over and over again. Of course when I am calling out, Check this out!, of course everyone else is tearing a hole in the sky too, and saying the same thing... look at this, whoa, check this out! Jimbo was doing some move with his Phazer where it looked like a leaf tossing over on itself, and it was going up. Sniedley was ripping loops with his NYX. I caught a glimpse of Meyer just making his Escape scream across the sky. Everyone was taking it way up there, it was just blue sky and it was very easy to see. After a good 10 or 15 minutes of this and we were way skied out, Jimbo calls out Last Down Last Down is a little energy management skill improvement task we fly on the northside when everyone is specked out. It can be exciting to watch... just don't watch the other guy getting squirelly at mach 10 high speed maneuvering on the deck when your own model is also at mach 10 on the deck... very impressive to see Jimbos Phazer wingtip to wingtip with my ICON at speed approaching the field, and hearing the other guys from other sides. 8-) I was first down but made the second place guy look and almost blink... ;-) Great day of flying just for the fun of it. P.S. I was flying a little electric model today at the field as well, I have LiPO packs and a new charger and, well, OK, I admit it, I like this electric stuff now! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats-Day 4-2M
As CD for this event, I really have to tell you that I am really glad that I was watching and not flying. The last two days were brutal and flying showed what this community is all about. The flyers were cool in the really terrible heat when I put in times to challange the best they never complained when the decisions were made to make them work harder to win. If you were prepared, you did well, if not you did not. Just what a contest should be. The goal was 10 rounds for the two days and because of the forcast of bad weather on Tuesday we pushed the group to six rounds on Monday including the normal start-up delays. It always takes a couple of heats to get in the rhythm. The good news is we did eleven rounds and finished just a few minutes before the downpour. The team got the winches and landing areas switched for the UNl event tomorrow, one big effort. OK, I really have to tell you the contest team did their normal outstanding job. This year more than most it was a Lance Armstrong effort because of the weather conditions. The biggest hand goes to Sheldon and Sera and the turn-around trolls. Riding a cart for many hours over bumpy terrain takes a real effort and without them this event dies. Marna, Larry, Jim Thomas and Martin Doney really run the event and as usual it went off without a hitch, being a CD with this team is really easy. Congradulations to all the flyers because if you flew, you were a hero to me and if you were in the top 10, you could be in the running for the Lance Armstrong award, nice job. I am sure more will be said about this event, and I must say that I really am grateful that I could be of service to such a nice group of people. Jack On 7/26/05, Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:51 PM 7/25/2005, Marc Gellart wrote: Hot, and hotter and hottest. I saw 104 degrees on a bank gage at 6:00PM going to the hotel, but we survived. Do not know who is leading 2M, one of the ESL guys, Josh, Tom, or Mike I think. I am wooped and heading to bed. Man, do I know how Marc feels... lots of carnage, heat, sweat, and models in the beans and corn. Challenging air and good flying, we are just having a blast! P.S. You should have seen the wing rod modification I did today on my mini-ICON on a winch launch, and the zoom that followed! 8-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I need a few micro receivers. What's the current favorites?
I have been using the Shadow 3 since Toledo in an electric sailplane and have had zero problems. It is solid OOS (almost OOS) and with transmitters only one channel away. Probably have 60 or so powerup's on it to date. We have had one faulty NIB and replaced that with a new one which is working well. I think we have about six or eight others in the club and I have had no complaints so far on those. I hope to have a bunch to sell soon (I hope a week or less). Sombra is almost there for high volume production. Jack On 7/12/05, Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a few planes I've been putting together, and it looks like I need a few more micro receivers. I don't feel like stripping some existing planes, so it's time to buy something new. What's the current favorite micro receivers? I've got a few FMA M5s and I'm very happy with them. I've got some Berg-5*DSP II receivers, and they work fine as well, though I'm a bit wary how they're not supposed to work with Futaba synthesized modules. I've got some GWS 4Ps, and while these are OK for small close-in planes, I want something that I can put in a plane I intend to speck out. The Berg Microstamp 4, especially the one that is completely encased in plastic -- http://www.castlecreations.com/products/accessories/berg-ms4.html looks especially promising, especially at $40. But it's not available yet. The number of channels doesn't really matter so much . More is better, of course, but I can shuffle some receivers around if I get something that doesn't have enough channels. The size isn't so important either. I'm looking to put these into planes that aren't itty bitty -- like a Great Planes Fling DLG -- but smaller is better, but I'm also looking for something good. So, the things I'm looking at right now are : FMA M5 = 5 channel, 9 grams. $55 total. Polk Seeker Micro RX 6 = 6 channels, 14 grams. $60 total. Plantraco DSP4 = 4 channels, 5 grams, $35 total. I'd like to list some of the Berg receivers in my list, but from what I can see, there's _nothing_ available right now. Anybody aware of somebody that has them in stock? I'd like to put the Sombra Labs Shadow 1 onto my list, as it does 50, 72 and 75 mHz and is synthesized. But they won't be making any more until the end of the year. The Shadow 3 would be nice as well, though it's limited to just one band, but nobody seems to have them in stock. Is the Plantraco DSP4 really full range? I'm really amazed at how small my list is. I thought there was more out there. Right now, I'm leaning towards the Polk Hobbies Seeker 6. I don't need it to be synthesized, but it would be nice. Is there anything else I should be considering, or some reason I shouldn't be considering what I'm considering? -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know the scientific explaination, BUT FIRE MAKES IT GOOD! --Homer Simpson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2 meter r hurts...at least in Dayton!
Been there, done that. The DARTS are devious and the air in Dayton generally sucks except for the DARTS. How do they do that?? Ex Daytonian On 7/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had my trusty (more like rusty since it never gets out to fly) Organic charged and ready for some ass kickin today in Dayton. Woke up at the local Holiday Inn to sun and calm winds. Got to the field to find sun and wind building. All the big dogs showed up to put the hurtin on me, Don Harris, Paul the Siegel, Marc Gellart, Jerry SuperV Shape, and a cast of other rough looking types who were obviously ringers brought in to insure that I wouldn't be hauling any more Dayton wood away. I tried my own intimidation by showing up pulling a trailer (you know to carry all the wood), but in the end it didn't work. It was sooo obvious what was afootFirst they rig the winches to lull me into complacency by making sure that I out launced everyone in my rounds. That part worked, I zoomed well beyond all, and headed out distracted, so never noticed that I flew through hundreds of thermals. After 6 rounds of 10minutes each, I had amassed a total time of about 6 minutes (the total air time out of all 6 rounds) while everyone else seemed to get their times. First round they had rigged a tree line to extend upward so that I would get stuck behind, off field in some beans! These guys are devious. That put a bunch of poke holes in my Organic's Ultracoat and put a wrinkle in the new fuse's tailboom. Then they had trimmed bushes up wind so that I had tremendous turbulence in the landing zone, which caused a flip over landing. All in all a pretty fun day, and seriously one of the most challenging flying sites I have ever flown and easily some of the best thumb wiggling soaring I have been privileged to witness. Wish you all could have been hosed like me :-) Gordy Columbus, Cincinatti, Louisville, Harrisburg, Rochester, Jamestown NDthen Muncie! -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Landing setup for the Tempest
Just read the info on the E4 for landing and will try it this week (mine is working fairly well but not perfect). Does anyone have the same type of data on the Tempest? Flew a two day contest this weekend and the plane did great except for landing (tough landing field under any circumstance). I use a Profi 4000 so any kind of mix curve is possible, mine sucks. I did set up the throws the best I could to Marks numbers but the mixes are not detailed for curves (if I remember correctly) so it is the normal trim proceedures. Background is the plane coming home at high speed from up-on-high and is fine, slowy deploy flaps to whoa-it-up and then come to downwind, as the speed drops so does the nose. Elev. commands become very sensitive as the plane slows and it seems very difficult to find a steady glide path. I feel the plane will do it well but my settings must be off enough to make it difficult. Feels really pitch sensitive with the flaps at about 60-70 degrees and about 10 degrees up aileron. If I go to 90 degrees the plane almost stops flying and tip stalls with minor corrections in roll even with enough down mix to make the rudder non-functional. -- Yea: I know practice is king but I am looking to shortcut the process a tad. Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Is the Southern Kite NOS legal?
The List isn't complete for kits by a long shot. The list is not an official document, you can fly whatever you want as long as you can document it's PRODUCTION existance prior to 1980. I was keeping the list for years and requested input on kits several times a year on RCSE, guess what, no input. My guess is you have not read the rules because it clearly states the pilot is to provide documentation, no where does it referance a list. Even the plans list is incomplete because it does not include ships from other countries which would be completly legal by the rules. I quit managing the list when others said they would put on web sites and maintain it. My guess is no one is inputting data to that unoffical list either. So if you have proof of legality by the rules, go for it. On 5/20/05, CapnCrunchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Southern Kite is not legal, I cannot see why not. I have one of these kits also (yet to be built) but the Kite is not on The List, something that I think is absurd. I also have a MalCo Eagle that was once reviewed in one of the model mag's in the '70's. Yet, it isn't on The List. There are many ships that are not listed, but if those rules are used, many ships do not get to compete. That is why I am behind those clubs that use a less discriminating rule set for contests of these wonderful vintage pre-ARF ships. Planes flown at a time when fliers were also modelers. Whew! I'm done venting Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies Acc't. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS...line break policy?
Normally, I kind of keep to the back of the tree line but this is one of my few hot buttons-launching systems. FAI has a method, not good for us. I have proposed for years that we in AMA scheduled TD events use a winch system with some kind of limit device (sensor) other than the winch line. It could be motor current, it could be line tension, it could be power/second used or a bunch of combinations. Just so I don't ramble any more (I think you get the idea), if the winch system limited some parameter that kept the line from breaking under tension, then all line breaks belong to the club, not the pilot. This could then always be a relight for the group and no need for backup winches. I think all of our equipment would last a lot longer, both launch and flying equipment. Although this is not a prime concern to the competition minded, it could help those in the sportsman classes as well as the club treasury. Mike Wade does our winches as a club member but we still have to pay him for his trouble just like anyone else. I am not sure what the cost is/winch/year but my guess is we could have a couple more winches by now making MOM with club winches easier. With todays electronics, a controller should be able to be done for a reasonable amount (I think reasonable would be under $150-200). Making some noise Wadayathink? On 5/16/05, pfsiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to throw this topic out to the soaring exchange to see if there is any consensus of opinion on policy concerning winch line breaks during launch, particularly during man on man competition. What would be a good standard policy for line breaks that could be universally adopted for a contest series like the OVSS? Let's assume that there is an extra winch that is available for relaunch if a line break occurs. If during launch there is a line break during a mass launch or even during a slightly staggered launch, then an unfair advantage can be gained by the pilot who experienced the line break. Before any subsequent relaunch from the extra winch during the same round, the delay in that relaunch could allow the pilot to observe the scatter of sailplanes already launched for any obvious areas of lift. The obvious solution is to NOT allow any relaunch after a line break. This solution certainly discourages intentional line breakage by a pilot who is not happy with his launch or who just wants to be the last pilot to launch. However, there is very real possibility that the line may have been weakened by a previous line cross during launch phase or even when the timer was tapping down the chute after a previous launch. In this instance, the pilot who suffered the line break would be unfairly penalized for a problem that he was not responsible for. This hardly seems fair, particularly for an unfortunate pilot who may have traveled a fair distance to compete over a full weekend of flying. For better or worse, this no relaunch rule also discriminates against larger, heavier sailplanes. One possible solution might be to automatically bump the pilot to the next flight group. But what if this happens in the last flight group for the round? Or, what if more than one line break happens in the same flight group and there is only one extra winch? Maybe a quick retrieve of an already been launched winch for the relaunch? Should there be a time limit for when the relaunch must happen? What would that time be? Or should this be at the discretion of the launch master? It sure slows down a contest to have everyone land for a mass relaunch which makes that an unpopular solution. What about a compromise to allow one line break per day, with the provision that in the opinion of the launch master that there has not been an intentional attempt to break the line? Or??? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies Acc't. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia rules and list of Nostalgai Models
Nostalgia is now an AMA event and the rules are on their web site. I think they are still on the LSF web site but these are now no longer official. Jack Iafret Past (not Old :-))Keeper of the Nostalgia rules On 4/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for the above. At one time I believe Nostolgia info was on the skybench web site. Thanks - Tom -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies Acc't. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
I think (who knows for sure other then Glenn) John has it about right and it is a shame. I will keep my 4000 until it is no longer usable. Programing is now not the chore it once was and had become almost fast and automatic once you learn the language. Some things are classic and never go out of style to the believers but even us will have to change to a new box someday when Hitec gives up supporting us. Germany did the mechanicals well and clearly thought modelers were a technical lot and could figure out what they wanted for their own programs to fly their own planes. May have been true 10 years ago, especially in Eroupe but in the good old USA our mindset is buy-it, turn-it-on, use-it for all forms of technology (not a bad thing, just different). Hell, I used to build my own radios just to lean, can not consieve of rolling my own now. Jack On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:59:38 -0500, John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. Personally I will stick with a major distributor who supports their product with a trained staff of 6 or more full time techs and field support by all the JR team members, and factory support personnel. Granted you can't expect the personal touch, but look at the volume difference, One or two vs many radio turn arounds. If they are so good, you have to wonder why you see so many Profi's for sale used these days? Are there owners buying new ones? Where? Turn around is fair play :-) Hey apples to apples, new price to new. The used radio market is another thing entirely. The profi is an excellent radio, no argument, once the king (in Europe especially for large scale sailplanes), with factory support, on going development, but face the facts, that has come to an end as far as future development of the profi is concerned. The Hitec future may hold another multi channel radio in development, but it will look like all the other Asian offerings.(EVO) The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand, JR will follow with one of their own no doubt, hopefully with a tad bit more function than glitz. Who want mp3's on their transmitter? Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. The hobby shops are going out of business over there. No one is going to develop a radio for a handful of Germans, Swiss and, Austrians. My assumption is they will support the German market for a while, and supply the U.S. connoisseur willing to pay $1000.00 for a transmitter, special order. Even here we are aging, willing to spend more and we want to do less, not build planes, not program radios, etc. The average age for modelers is 50 something. The dollar is in the dumpster against the Euro, so who, ultimately, is going to make radios in Germany for the U.S. market? Enjoy your profis while they last. Long live Ernie!! JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:56 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. Or, you can get a used Profi 4000 for about the same price as a new 9303 or Evo. Turnabout is fair play! :) enerally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies Acc't. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Is Jerry Nelson still in business?
Does anyone knows anything about Jerry? I have an order pending since 09FE05 and have several email inquires to him on if the stuff is back-ordered or just not available but no response so am wondering if he just does not answer or out of business. Jack Iafret RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against 2 Meter.
Out of the woodwork again. I was 2M CD last year and signed up for the job again this year (unless someone else wants it) because I don't fly 2M any longer and have given away or sold my 2M ships. This gives me an excuse to come to the NAT's early and BS with the fellow flyers and get into the NATs spirit. I agree that more UNL would be a better use of the time we have to fly for the reason detailed later. I also would love to see Nostalgia and RES have a full day to themselves (guess why) so have campaigned for a one day or no day 2M. The bottom line is 2M still has a fair following (forced or otherwise) and probably should be NAT's event as much as the others but I think we all feel that the UNL winner of the NAT's is the WINNER OF THE NATS and that event should have priority time wise. Because of the turnout, we normally get fewer rounds in UNL than we do in 2M which is kind of backwards for picking a Champion. (My not be true but at least a majority of the guy's I talk to feel that way. Ask your friends if they would rather take first in 2M or UNL at the NATs.) Car racing and other sports have Warm UP events, like 2M, and these are important to weed out newer drivers to find the few that should progress to the big time. If 2M were this kind of event, things would be different, but it is not. Currently, 2M is treated as an equal to UNL at the NATs and that is what I kind of object to. It should be in the RES, NOS category and be a one day event. Flame on, I'm back in my hole for awhile. Jack Iafret - Original Message - From: Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: [RCSE] Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against 2 Meter. Hey I don't give a rats patoot if you guys want to fly 2 meter or run loose in the street naked if that makes you feel better. Just don't force me to join in. The only gripe I've got is that the LSF for some inane reason (known only to God and few mortals) sticks 2 meter in the middle of what is otherwise an enjoyable NATS week. THAT'S WHAT SUCKS! Stick it on one end or another and I'll leave quietly. Now you guys can get back to your 2 meter mutual admiration society stuff. Mark This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Ornery Jack
Just finished the driveway for the second time. Not as much in my area of Michigan, maybe 6 to 8 but a lot a wind and two foot drifts in the drive. Kids are coming, grandkids are coming, wife is going nuts with cooking so I came up to my office to hide. It will be a busy and fun filled couple of days in Mich. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Ornery Jack Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:59:16 -0500 10? Ha! Try 15-20! At least Muncie got snow. Cincinnati got freezing rain and sleet -- 10 of it. Can you say SUCKS! Rudy Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:47:06 -0600 From: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ornery Jack Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet there is about 10 of snow on that runway right now. Sorry to harsh your mellow. :-) At 09:31 PM 12/22/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: I just got another good laugh out of this... http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/video/OrneryJack.mov (broadband connection suggested) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests
Soon to drop the Keeper title, the event will be total AMA as of 01JA05. This thread is just a little too competitive, Nostalgia is not about the BEST plane but the plane you liked best then trying to get the Best out of it using todays launch systems. So far at the NAT'S the diversity has been great and there has not been a BEST plane (really hope there never is), only the best plane for the conditions which have been quite varied over the years. TK winning one year with an OLY in 20 mph winds said a lot for pilot and not much for the plane. I flew to real mediocrity this last year in a new Maestro MKIII but enjoyed seeing the best of Dodgeson in the air again. After the next 20 post-Nats flights, I think Bob really did a nice job of being ahead of the design curve, you really must fly this beast to make it work light air and turn without tip stalling but it can be done. So Paragons forever and may the Maestro be a challange and continue to be fun. Jack Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:51:24 -0500 Here in the Ohio, MI, IN area, many of the monthly and sanctioned contests have two skill levels, Expert and novice ( or any name you want to apply to this group). Usually it is broken down by LSF level three or four as the divider and /or with contest wins record of each individual. This seems to work well for bringing out the newer guys, they fight it out amongst themselves and love it. OVSS is a good example. It is a little bit like guys asking what is the best Nostalgia plane. The vendors come out and say their stuff is the best, guys that haven't flown other NOS designs will say the one they fly is the best and by the time the thread wears out, the same old conclusion is reached, it is the pilot that wins contests. If you look at the win record of Jack Iafret's Nos AMA/LSF Nats contest, the type of plane that places first thru third in the event is all over the spectrum of old designs. From OLY ll (flat bottom airfoil), Challenger (Clark Y airfoil w/flaps), Grand Esprit (flat bottom airfoil), can't remember the others. So it remains in all types of contests, it is the skilled pilot most times that wins, the two skill level approach is very well received by both groups and adds a little motivation to the skilled pilots to help the novice group. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests On 12/19/04 18:37 Daryl Perkins wrote: Once you find out that doesn't work, and the same guys keep winning In golf they handicap the players... not their clubs of choice Damn. My handicap is that I think I can play golf!! But your point is correct. Personally Like the heads up style in TD contests. The fact is that most guys simply don't like competition (less than 8% of AMA members enter any kind of sanctioned contest in a given year), so doing stuff to make them happy only dilutes it for those that do like it. I fly the best stuff and I still get beaten by the better pilot, regardless of what they are flying. Ask the guys at the Rose Bowl a few years ago in 2M how they felt about JW kicking their butts with a 2-channel foamie!! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Re: Question for Modelers Familiar w/Shellac
I have always used 3 lb. cut thinned 50% with alcohol and treated both sides of the wood to keep it from warping. After the first coat, sand and put one more coat on that can be thinned even a little more. Has worked for me for years. I have just purchased a spray can of Shellac but have not tested it as yet, looks thin enough and no mess to clean up. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: Question for Modelers Familiar w/Shellac Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:34:44 -0500 Jim - I haven't used shellac to do this, but I have achieved some pretty light finishes. I use hair spray for the initial coats. Get the cheapest large aerosal cans you can find. Fog a few sparse coats on, sanding very lightly with 400 grit between coats. You only need to knock down the stickups. If you keep the initial coats light and let them dry well you won't hurt a foam wing, and the weight buildup will be minimal. After you get the wood sealed with hairspray go ahead with the waterborn poly. I like to wipe it on with an old t shirt or a foam brush, keeping the coats thin and many. happy trails - Roob Glover As a woodworker I haven=B9t used but read about shellac as the sealer/under coat for wood finishes. Shellac is accepted as a good barrier against wate= r vapor, but not liquid water, and any finish will stick to it well. So I thought it might be a very good under or only coat for balsa tail parts on HLG=B9s etc. Don Stackhouse of DJ Aerotech describes the use of water born (not a solvent in this case) polyurethane and that care must be taken to ge= t a very thin first later coats. One reason for that would be the fact tha= t wood so readily absorbs water then changing it=B9s dimensions due to swelling of the wood fibers. Don's main goal seems to be to limit weight added though. Have any of you tried shellac, which uses alcohol as its solvent? I am wondering if a 3 pound cut, for example, would penetrate less than a 1 poun= d cut. [Shellac is mixed as x pounds of flakes to 1 gallon of alcohol. N.B. you must use de-waxed shellac if you intend to over coat it with any other finish.] --=20 Jim Holliman -- Tulsa, Oklahoma RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] First Sailplane
OK, what got me hooked was a Graupner Cirrus when I lived in the Dayton Ohio (mid 70's) area and belonged to the W.O.R.K.S. club (strictly power). One other guy (forgot the name know but he drove a comptition Vette) and I went to the West Carrolton High School and used his high start to launch. After about five launches and coming down to land the plane just circled for ten laps at 20 feet without loosing altitude and I without knowledge hooked my first thermal and rode it out for what seemed like an hour (probably five minutes). That was it for me, but it took awhile to commit. Really never got serious until I came to Michigan and started flying sailplanes with the Paragon in '84. Met a bunch of people that flew sailplanes rather than power and that was it for greasy kids stuff. So, first plane was the Cirrus and the favorite is the Paragon. Remember, Paragon's Forever. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Foam Rating(s)
This thread is great for us old engineering types. Remember all the material testing I did as a newbe engineer. Next challange is to actually plot load deflection curves remembering that this stuff is probably very rate sensitive ;^). Ever want an Instron in your basement? I did. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Foam Rating(s) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:44:25 EST Following up on compression strength of foam for vac bagging, picked up some Dow Scoreboard in Tulsa, lugged it back to the wilderness, and then panicked when it measured slightly lower bulk density than Owens Foamular 150. However, a check of the Dow website indicates Scoreboard, Square Edge, etc., have a min rating of 25psi. (_http://dowbp-us-residential.buildscape.com/items/?type=products_ (http://dowbp-us-residential.buildscape.com/items/?type=products) ) A small cantilever was set up in the basement and lead shot was added until a 1 square piece of each type of foam deflected 25%. This is a somewhat arbitrary rating but it provides a relative comparison. A very rough calculation back to loading at this deflection gives: White (virgin) beaded foam ~ 16 psi Foamular 150 ~ 21 psi Dow Scoreboard ~ 29 psi It's noteworthy that the white foam remains crushed but the others are gradually springing back. The amount of deflection is continuous with weight so, in effect, the initial modulus of Scoreboard Foamular 150 Virgin beads. Bulk density is not a good rating factor. Not sure what this implies for specific max vac for each material - other than rank ordering them a bit - but if you've got a kid that needs a science fair project this school year .. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Supra Pod
Try Bud Elder Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra Pod Hi All, This probably isn't the best place to post this.but I've already tried in the Allegro Lite forum with no response. Does anyone know of a source for the Supra Pod? I'm getting ready to start on one (well, in a month or 2) and some people in my club are interested in building one as well. I could make a mold but I really don't want to put THAT much time into it. Thanks! Jared RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] F3B Finals
From a workers perspective only. It was a great contest and the thing that made it great was that all of the contestants were of a mind set to have a great competition. Not once did I see a contestant loosing it (and a couple could of had reason). They put up with the 'make up' volunteer crew that had little experience in this event and helped us get through it without stress or blame for the few mistakes that were made. Phil was a good leader and everyone respected his athority and rulings. I personally had a good time and feel honored to have hleped the great team that will represent us in the Worlds. I have no idea how they got 10 minutes in that lousy air but they did it, speed and distance are a hoot from the viewpoint of the recording table (made me duck a couple of times). Everyone was helpful to one another and I can see why the this little fraturnity is doing so well. Now about the things I remember; AArons super clean 15+ second runs, the monster launches in the high wind conditions, the worms still shaking from Mike's Lachowski's impact, Mike Smith's instant reaction time as a speeding broken plane came cartwheeling through the pits, the ability of D'Anne to become a volunteer and help and be a very nice person after her ship broke up, Dave Corven having a ball playing with the big dogs and about 100 more little things. It was an experience I could write many paragraphs on but it is now past one am. and I am bushed. Just be sure that if you do not come to one team select in your life, you missed something special. If I can find a place to put the photos on the web in a day or two, I will let you know. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FS- Ellipse 4
Looking for $950.00 plus shipping for a yellow E4 (stripped other than the wiring harness which is well done by yours truly) with less than 20 flights total over the last two years, and only four or five in a TD contest environment. Plane has 6 Volz XP's (chrome bottom cases) and a ATX 2 Rx and a CP 2400 mah NiCad, so if you want those make me an offer. Never has been damaged other than the normal nose cone scratches from landing (even these are very minor). Plane has never been dorked or landed hard or launched with more than 8 Oz. of ballast just to see how it handled. If any of you that are going to the F3B team select this weekend I will deliver it there as I am part of the volunteer (Corven's Special Assistant) crew. If not shipping would be added. I need an offer off line by Wednesday PM as I am off for Muncie 4:30am on Thursday. Need the money for a new bird of a different color. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Contests, Landings, etc.
Flew off of one about 30 years ago and it was set to 40 pounds. I loved it as my Camano could do a full pedal on it and I got the best launches I ever did with that plane (no wind if I remember). Can't quite remember who built it. About 10 years ago I made a proposal in RCSD about having classes based upon load dialed in by the CD rather than wingspan. It went no where because I did not proof test it and at the time had neither the time or equipment to make the hardware. I did a spec. on the system showing on-off time, ramp angles for the voltage or current and speed of the turnaround pulley. Once you have the equipment, the possibilities are almost endless. Maybe time to look it up and see what I said. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules There is a simple technique that I have heard has been tried with some success in the past. It involves mounting the winch on a spring loaded pivoting device that electrically limits the force on the line. A early. This is 1920's technology, but effective. A more expensive technique using strain gauges and electronic motor speed controls could be devised. 8^) I am sure that with proper launch technique, towering launches can still be achieved with such a system set at 80 pounds pull launching 4 pound models. I suspect that experimentation will show that 20 to 30 pounds will be more than adequate. Tim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] (no subject)
Also note that we will have a going away lunch for Hartmut (Mr. Picalario himself) who is on his way back to Germany after a three year TDY in this country. Come and say goodbye and fly also as you do not have to be an MSL member to fly. Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [RCSE] (no subject) On September 25th, 2004, the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society, better known as the GDSHS, will host the final MSL, Michigan Soaring League, event of the year. Site isAddison Oaks Park, 9 miles north of Rochester, MI. West on 32 mi rd.(Romeo Rd) approx 2 mi and north into Addison Oaks Park past the Conference Center parking lot. Follow gravel/sand rd from west end of parking lot past the water tower. Four classes will be flown. Unlimited Two Meter Nostalgia RES Trophies to 3rd place each class. Additionally the final awards for MSL will also be awarded. The best pilots in the Michigan area will be there competing for the final positions in MSL. Don't miss this event, one of thebest contests of the season. Regards, Dave Corven. CD. AMA 878, LSF 254. Cell, 248-515-2153, days,248-576-1374, eves, 585-781-2865.
Re: [RCSE] RE: Hartmut Leaving, Picalario availability
No, Hartmut has taken care of that. Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" - Original Message - From: George Voss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] RE: Hartmut Leaving, Picalario availability Does this mean Picalarios wonÂ’t be available any longer? gv -Original Message-From: Jack Iafret [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [RCSE] (no subject) Also note that we will have a going away lunch for Hartmut (Mr. Picalario himself) who is on his way back to Germany after a three year TDY in this country. Come and say goodbye and fly also as you do not have to be an MSL member to fly. Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules"
Re: [RCSE] Nats was good
I used rounding in the 2M event. Do not think that Chuck was there. Chuck may have some pointed needles here, if the event needs to change to keep up with technology someone needs to write a rules change proposal. It is obvious to anyone who flew there that safety was a major concern of the crew and if the rule book does not make a safe condition, it should be updated (no matter what happened 40 years ago). I think if AMA were asked to pass judgment on the spot (BTW, no protests were written which is the only way you get changes on the spot), the field layout and rules would have won (IMHO). This after-the-fact analysis is only meaningful if written stuff happens in the end so the discussion here should lead to those actions. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Denny Zech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats was good He could mean that unlimited used truncated timing rather than rounding as per the rule book. Denny James V. Bacus wrote: At 03:06 AM 8/2/2004, Chuck Anderson wrote: It seems that the Nats this year used part of the FAI timing rules in spite of paragraph 10.2.2.b.1 of the 2002-2004 AMA Competition Regulations. Can you clarify what you mean by that statement? I have the rule book and read that paragraph again, but I am not exactly sure what you meant by that. How do you measure a cone cut? I think that is very clear, and again, I thought the landing officials were doing a good job of judging that. That rule is all about safety, and until you have had a model hit you while you are flying (been there, done that) it might not be that important to you. Of course you have been doing this far longer than I, so you probably have had the experience of being hit by a composite unlimited model too. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] BOT ARF Airfoil?
Does anyone know for sure if the Dynaflyte BOT airfoil is Nostalgia Legal (exactly the same as the original?). I think my I remember someone telling me the original was an E193 but I am not positive. I know the FG fuse is not legal but could someone use the wings on a homebuilt wood fuse? BTW, I read in the AMA mag that Nostalgia will be in the rule book as of 01JA05 so my tenure as Keeper is short lived :^). Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules _ MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Full-House Checklist - to each his own
Yes the man speakeh the truth. I flew my E4 in a TD contest today and although it was a 2 or 10 day I did feel much better after round five than round one. I have not flown the plane much so do not know how to compensate for turbulence and what is really up air. The point is, hours count, not minutes or seconds but hours in the air with the ship. BTW, did I say it was a 2 or 10 day? Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Full-House Checklist - to each his own In a message dated 6/18/04 12:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I gave my Compulsion to Joe Wurts for a weekend, what might he be looking for and what adjustments might he adjust in this new full-house sailplane? Bill, Odds are good that you could not fly it comfortably. The CG would be too far aft and the roll rate too high for starters! Of course if JW had observed your flying style, he might set it up for you and not for him - he's just that kind of guy! If you were to let George Joy try your Compulsion, he will immediately tell you that you do not have enough rudder. George likes lots of rudder. Personally, I can't do much with my left hand but scratch a few itches. While it is nice to get other opinions, you must adjust the machine to your style.Others can give you advice, but you must decide what the model is going to do for you. My opinion based upon a few years of observing. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hilaunch.com
Re: [RCSE] Genie Bests Pike Today!
Well today at Grand Rapids (Michigan soaring League) contest it was a 2 or 10 day. Lot's of 1.5 mins, a few 10's, the masters rule in this air and sandbagging is an acquired art. Come an join us for some really challenging air (check the MSL web sire on goggle) for the schedule. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: [RCSE] Genie Bests Pike Today! It couldn't have been the pilot Today we flew in Mt Vernon Washington and the weather was gorgeous. Light winds huge open fields and T generators everywhere...and yet it was easy to get skunked on a flight time! Talk about a cast of talent! These guys are some of the toughest precision pilots I have flown against! There were quite a few Stratos V's and X's flying, and one V was in the hands of Sandy Pugh. Yep a lady TD pilot who was leading us most of the rounds! Just to give you and idea of the talent, I was trailing in the first rounds with 8 secs short and a 96, then 4 seconds off an a 96! There was a few Genies, some Murphies (a local bagged plane that flys like a Compulsion) and one Compulsion. In the end it was an 80oz Genie that took the cake by 20 points better than my score! Russ Young (Past Visalia Champ!!!) was deadly today. Last rounds he didn't give me any room to move up. I was leaving only 4 points total on the field and I just couldn't move up. For those of you thinking about a building project, the Genie is a TD 'machine'! Wish you were here (and no I didn't let him win since he is housing and feeding me on this trip again!) Gordy Tomorrow's another day! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] metric system
The major USA auto companies are all metric. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Neil Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] metric system BTW, not a lot of people know this, but Orville and Wilbur used the metric system :-)) So did 90 percent of the engineers on the US Mars mission (non)lander couple years ago. =:O I heard there are two countries left on the planet using non metric measures - USA and Tibet. That true? // Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Rescheduled Snow Fly
Remember it is this Saturday at the Toledo Weak Signals field. The wind got us two weeks ago and they maybe blowing this weekend also so bring lead. I do not think I will postpone it again unless it is gale city as the temps will be in the 40's not the 20's so there is little excuse not to fly. Jack Iafret RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Are you ready for the Snow-Fly?
My last announcement for the 34th annual Snow-Fly on the 21st hosted by the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society and held at the Toledo Weak Signals field. Let me know if you want a flyer and maps, and for those coming, bring water and food as places to eat are not handy other than one convenience store. We will have coffee and donuts in the AM. Weather looks fair to midland with temps around 40 and light winds but not much sun so flying skill will be very important (I'll make time and landing decisions at the field based upon weather and how crabby I feel ;^) ). I have notes from several of the OVSS and MSL players saying they are coming if weather is near bearable. We may even have one Calif guy show up to let the rest of the warm weather guys know how wimpy they are - hehe. BTW, we will fly UNL, 2M, RES and Nostalgia and the contest will be the first MSL contest for the year. CU there.. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] AVA and such
Having grappled with rules for a low tech plane for quite a while lead me to the Nostalgia rules. Not very flexible, not everyones cup of tea, but very enfoceable and CD friendly- the whole idea from the start. Now about Woodies or BOM's or other kinds of rules sets. I would suggest the same plan I used for Nostagia and that is think it out with all the things allowed and not allowed (most important) and publish them to the world with a due date for responses. When all the responses are in, send out for a vote on the responses, the majority rules. Publish the voted on rules with a change cycle of three or four years (Nostalgia has gone through three since 1994). Now the opinions are just that and the rules will be solid. Now for my opinion of Woodies (as there are no voted on rules, opinions still count). Build it or buy it anyway you can that fits the rules decided above. If you want to use CNC molds or foam molds or whatever to form the wood parts, so what, as long as the end product is wood (easy to judge from a CD standpoint and crystal clear). If you allow any non-wood structral material, then each specific item would have to be spelled out in the rules explicity. A real pain and not very general but a necessity if any non-wood parts are allowed. I would rather the planes be allowed to have FG covered wood and such to replace monokote (also not a wood product, by the way). So the list of non-wood products goes a long way down the line like glue, paint etc. LOL, I'm off my soapbox and at the limit of my experience. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] AVA and such Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:09:43 -0800 (PST) I got several nice responses...and some not so nice... to my soap box rant about the AVA/Topaz/Graphite type models. (I'm old, yes, I rant!) One intrigued me greatly and I know how I would react, but how about the rest of you, as contestants or CDs, what would you think if: A model showed up that had wood ribs all the way to the leading edge, with D-tube sheeting that had a fiberglass coating that had been bagged over a foam form, and was then applied to the ribs. Bare in mind that this model is the work of the builder, at home, and no foam was left in the wing structure. There was no permanent mold used in making the wing, and again, it's home made, not produced in a factory. What say ye, one and all? This is a feasable construction technique. Would you allow such a craft in your woody contest? I would, because the modeller would have to make it work. It would be a lot of work. The modeller would be the one sanding/perfecting the work, not some CNC mold. That is an interesting scenario...let's hear from you. Maybe I didn't think of some reason not to allow it. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. _ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Captain Jack's Birthday
Happy birthday you OF. Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" - Original Message - From: Jim Deck To: RCSE Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: [RCSE] Captain Jack's Birthday Hey, today's the birthday of the recently retired President of the LSF, Captain Jack Strother. Please join me in wishing him a very happy birthday at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Deck
Re: [RCSE] Rules Changes
Well Jack, things have been in the process of change for two years now. Being the self appointed Keeper was just to have one while the process to go to an AMA rules book event took place and to try to have one set of rules rather than many Local rules. We do and have held Nostalgia events in this area since 1994 (that is where the idea came from) and I took on the job of writing the rules and keeping them up with requested changes from the flyers. If you knew the history you would know that I tried to keep to the AMA's schedule for rules changes and have twice since 1994 put the word out on RCSE and the national Mags (who did not care) to ask for changes. We got about 20 requests for changes (a guess at this point) and I sent out e-ballots to anyone who wished one so the rules are no longer mine but as much of the Nostalgia group as was possible to get to at the time. Other than the first issue, ego has nothing to do with it as it was as democratic a process as possible. There were maybe four changes incorporated but basically the rules stayed in tact (hopefully that means they were acceptable). At any rate I could see the time had come to see if the event would expand in the hands of the AMA and sent in a rules proposal about two years ago and as I last read in MA the proposal is well on it's way to AMA officialdom. If it does not pass, then I would gladly turn the process over to you to manage as long as it remains a democratic process (with users doing the voting) with all those involved getting a chance to vote on the rules changes. I still have a list of participants (mostly from the NATs and anyone on RCSE who voted for you to use, or anyone else who would like to take it on). Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Rules Changes Tony Estep wrote: The so-called Nostalgia event has received much heat, because its criteria seem artificial and contrived... That's not why I object to the way the class is handled. I object to the lack of consistency, and the... yes you can... and no you can't... coming from one guy. There needs to be a committee of knowledgeable people that come up with what specifically can be changed, and what specifically can't. We will miss this class, or will we? As I see it, there isn't enough interest in the status quo to go anywhere...and I'm the only one running contests outside the NATS that has a NOS class, that I know of. I may well drop it, myself. I do not know Jack Iafret. I do not condone anyone running him down. He is, after all, the guy that came up with the idea for the class. But, I do have to ask by whose authority he is the keeper of the class? If he lets his ego get in the way, or makes a decision that just doesn't make good sense, where do we go to lodge a protest? It's truly sad, in my opinion that such a great idea is being passed over by so many that feel the same way I do. I know there are many because every time I post one of these, I get emails privately from people that say they agree, but don't want to post publicly. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Rules Changes - Missing the point
That is the point of having Nostalgia become an AMA rule book event which is in mid-process. Hopefully AMA will be the Keeper soon. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Rules Changes - Missing the point My point is, Jack, that you, nor I, nor any one person should be the Keeper. You and I do not agree on some key points. Where do I go? The only place I can go in this situation is this public forum. Some of your friends seem to think I'm picking on you personally. I am doing my very best to show my respect for you but still get the point across that the system as it is will not change. No one person should be the keeper, or interpreter or the rules to a national format. I have no personal animosity for you, and I hope you know that. Jack Womack --- Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Jack, things have been in the process of change for two years now. Being the self appointed Keeper was just to have one while the process to go to an AMA rules book event took place and to try to have one set of rules rather than many Local rules. We do and have held Nostalgia events in this area since 1994 (that is where the idea came from) and I took on the job of writing the rules and keeping them up with requested changes from the flyers. If you knew the history you would know that I tried to keep to the AMA's schedule for rules changes and have twice since 1994 put the word out on RCSE and the national Mags (who did not care) to ask for changes. We got about 20 requests for changes (a guess at this point) and I sent out e-ballots to anyone who wished one so the rules are no longer mine but as much of the Nostalgia group as was possible to get to at the time. Other than the first issue, ego has nothing to do with it as it was as democratic a process as possible. There were maybe four changes incorporated but basically the rules stayed in tact (hopefully that means they were acceptable). At any rate I could see the time had come to see if the event would expand in the hands of the AMA and sent in a rules proposal about two years ago and as I last read in MA the proposal is well on it's way to AMA officialdom. If it does not pass, then I would gladly turn the process over to you to manage as long as it remains a democratic process (with users doing the voting) with all those involved getting a chance to vote on the rules changes. I still have a list of participants (mostly from the NATs and anyone on RCSE who voted for you to use, or anyone else who would like to take it on). Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Rules Changes Tony Estep wrote: The so-called Nostalgia event has received much heat, because its criteria seem artificial and contrived... That's not why I object to the way the class is handled. I object to the lack of consistency, and the... yes you can... and no you can't... coming from one guy. There needs to be a committee of knowledgeable people that come up with what specifically can be changed, and what specifically can't. We will miss this class, or will we? As I see it, there isn't enough interest in the status quo to go anywhere...and I'm the only one running contests outside the NATS that has a NOS class, that I know of. I may well drop it, myself. I do not know Jack Iafret. I do not condone anyone running him down. He is, after all, the guy that came up with the idea for the class. But, I do have to ask by whose authority he is the keeper of the class? If he lets his ego get in the way, or makes a decision that just doesn't make good sense, where do we go to lodge a protest? It's truly sad, in my opinion that such a great idea is being passed over by so many that feel the same way I do. I know there are many because every time I post one of these, I get emails privately from people that say they agree, but don't want to post publicly. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text
Re: [RCSE] Gordysoar can't fly no RES :-)
PARAGONS FOREVER As most of you know, I have flown Paragons continuously since my first one over 30 years ago (bought it at the Toledo show the first year they were offered). So this is my battle cry at every contest that I use this plane. Mine is now going through a rebuild (retriever malfunction) and should be ready soon. BTW, anyone have a canopy they would like to sell? Ray does not have any extras at his store. I may switch to a Maestro MK III for the Nats this year if I get it built (same story for the last three years). Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: [RCSE] Gordysoar can't fly no RES :-) Ray wrote :Gordy won't be at the Wood Crafters Contest because I don't think he knows how to fly a woody. By his own admission, he can't fly RES. I hope Jack W. didn't give him lessons in TX this weekend. :-) Bill G. Hi Guys, I have to give you credit! and guys who do fly RES, it take far more skill and precision piloting to compete in RES. FAR MORE! Most guys think that cuz RES is somewhat low tech compared to molded super TD ships, that they would be 'easier' to fly...and while they 'may' be easier to fly, they are far harder to compete with. You all have an unfair advantage on me, I am a TOTAL newbie when it comes to two or three channel sailplanes. Never learned, came over from high performance gas ships and some slope stuff, to full house sailplanes...and they only took me about 9 years to be able to make a landing or two in a contest! I really doubt whether I could ever get competitive with RES But having said that, since Ray has decided to give Unlimited TD a shot this coming season, maybe I get a Genital Lady or some such to join you experts! (actually I have always secretly lusted for Paragons!) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] 18 minute tasks...
I say yah dude! I was one of the turkey winners and pulled one out of my 'landing sequence' at 50 feet to do a little better than the rest of the group. It made my weekend. I really like the seeded MOM as it is never boring in the last few rounds. Although it was 18 Min. I did about a 10 and won the round and that really felt good as the total group at the Pumpkin Fly was above average in capability. Depending on air for the round it could have been a 5 min winner or an 18 min winner. It was fun and a challange. I did not finish well, but will tell you that that the OVSS has the most fun fomat for TD that I have flown in. Thanks for the fun: Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: Steve Siebenaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] 18 minute tasks... Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:34:03 -0400 Just so happens that I was CD at the CSS Pumpkin Fly last Sunday, October 12th. We fly seeded man-on-man and I called an 18 minute round for the last round of our contest, which was our TURKEY SHOOT round. Conditions were breezy, but sunny, so pilots had to find multiple thermals and many went way down wind to hook their first thermal. It was no cakewalk like some would surmise. Not every pilot got there time, and some landed a minute early after specking out, as they were trying to find the next thermal and all they found upwind was big sink. We even had a round where two pilots were duking it out at 50' with several minutes to go in the round. Of course, those pilots who skillfully completed the soaring task made it a landing contest to win a turkey. That was definitely a test of soaring skills. If conditions were really easy, it would have been silly to call such a long task. But when conditions are challenging, long task times really test one's soaring skills. Steve Siebenaler h http://www.cincinnatisoaring.org ttp://www.cincinnatisoaring.org Cincinnati, Ohio USA _ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Legionair Questions
Thanks Pete. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Pete Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Berris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Legionair Questions Ed, If a person desires to take part in an event, that person obtains the rules and regulations for that event. To participate in the event, one must follow the rules, or be judged downward or eliminated for not following the rules. If a person desires to get the rules/regulations changes, then that person should become an active participant in the regulating body. Then and only then can one have input to get rules changed. If a person doesn't agree with the rules, there is the option to not participate. Make the choices, then act. Thermals, Pete Olsen, AMA CD SWSA -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:49 PM To: Jack Womack; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Legionair Questions The idea that rules for Nostalgia class would be enforced at the level that Jack Iafret states seems quite silly. Isn't the idea of a Nostalgia class to bring fun to those fliers that appreciate the older STYLED aircraft and like a more relaxed flying experience? It seems that all hobbies have those that like making and enforcing rules just a little too much. What possible difference could a boom made from aluminum, fiberglass or carbon make. I remember going to a vintage car club meeting where photos of beautifully restored cars were being shown. There was a small group of members who were critical of a particular car because the bolts used under the hood were not the exact ones used in the year that car was produced. Another car was down graded by these same fellows because the color of the car was slightly off from the color charts for that year. I remember thinking these guys are way too serious. Here were these beautiful 1930's vintage cars and instead of appreciating seeing them restored and being driven they were put off by these small inaccuracies. Jack, you may be the keeper of the rules but I have a feeling that some day someone might just tell you to keep your set of rules. Frame them, have them embroidered on your pillow case or have the rules painted on your walls. But for me and a lot of other guys like me we'll build the re-introduced Legionair and other designs with some updates that make a great model even better. We'll have our own NOSTALGIA class. After all Jack, the idea is to have fun. Right? Ed - Original Message - From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Legionair Questions I guess as a CD, those written rules are there for interpretation. The way I interpret them, the carbon boom would be no different than adding carbon to a spar, or replacing the spar system, or changing the joiner system and subsequently having to change the dihedral angle. The spirit of these rules says to me that as long as the outline, airfoils, and basic flavor of the aircraft aren't altered, that such mods are welcome. If it's that strict, why not just make it strictly as designed with absolutely no structural alterations allowed, and let it go at that. That would forgo any arguments...unless of course the model is covered in opaque Monokote... By the way, Texas heat isn't good for most epoxy systems, so my boom would be painted white. How would you know if it's carbon or aluminum? Jack Womack --- Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For it to be truly Nostalgia legal the boom would have to be the same as the original. The rules state that the basic building materials must be same as the original. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Wes Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 12:25 AM Subject: [RCSE] Legionair Questions Jack, Thanks for all the good information on the Legionair. I do have a few more questions though. First you mentioned that your 100 is a floater with attitude. Could you please clarify what kind of attitude this sailplane has? Jim Early mentioned that the Legionair is fast. Does it handle poorly at slower airspeeds? I am also concerned about the aluminum boom. Does this boom hold up in rough landings? Would it be better to go to a fiberglass or carbon fiber boom? Lastly, is the Legionair nostalgia legal? Right now, the Legionair is number one on my list of possible kits to build with the Viking coming in a very close second. Do you have any idea when Ray Hayes
Re: [RCSE] Feeling like Jerry Lee Lewis ...
Starting to see a trend here. I tried a JR Rx in my Ellipse 4 with a CF fuse. No go and only got a few feet of range. Three other double tuned RX's worked fine. All with a MPX 4000 TX so it could also be the fact that the sync pulse of the JR needs to be longer than the Airtronics or Hitec, with 12 channels on the TX I would guess the sync pulse is kind of small (never put it on a scope to check it). So it is either the CF or the TX but I don't care, I just use what works. BTW, the JR was sent back to Horizon and they said it was spot on so. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Feeling like Jerry Lee Lewis ... On 7/15/03 0:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Digitals buzz. Fact of life. Nothing to worry about. Sometimes they stop over time, sometimes not. Sometimes you can adjust the center point very slightly to stop them, sometimes not. Again, it is not a problem and is nothing to worry about. Subject: My first all CF fuselage (NYX) airplane. Question: Antenna INSIDE or OUTSIDE..? I have an Artemis (same construction as the NYX). My antenna is on the inside of the fuse. No issues. Futaba 148DP RX on 50 MHz. Range as far as I ever fly (usually just off the top of the winch before I plummet to the landing area well short of my time). Do what works. If it work on the inside, fine. If not, put it on the outside. I had trouble with JR radios in this set up, but never with my Futaba. No idea why, it just is. Can't say about Hitec or Airtronics, never flown them. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
The days of entry level ships in RES has been over since day one. Any time there is a competitive event with only a limited restriction on the plane (one-design is an example of a restricted event) the event will quickly progress to a more money, more experience event and it should. I do not condone restriction on the plane development but for the entry level people out there so believe that ranking the pilot is the only way to go. I think we all know who the top 10 or 20 are in the country in TD and in a 6 to 10 round event (as RES and NOS should be) those 10 guys will always be in the top 10. I think we all know that but compete just to see how close we can come to the masters. BTW, if you want to compete with old technology, fly NOS but even here the experts will always win over enough rounds so again its the pilot, not the plane (within reason). Bacus, I was out Wednesday with the RESQ I picked up from Ben in Louisville and because it was a rare calm day in Michigan kept thinking how easy this was compared to the moldies. Took the E4 out for practice and got tense all over again. If I could land the RESQ I would probably do better in UNL than with the moldies especially if the thermals are way out there (the eyes are going and the moldies are hard for me to see). I guess what I am trying to say is that RES takes some of the load off the pilot and as you get older, this is not a bad thing. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats News... --- James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why all these strong pilots fly RES, and why its popularity is growing? Dunno, Jim, but I'm glad to see it. Maybe it's esthetic -- there's something about the look of a bent-wing plane, especially one you can see through. I expect the commercial availability of the Ava to spur a mini-boom in RES. It's a wonderful plane to fly for sport or competition, different in so many ways from wooden planes of yesteryear. Perhaps more thin-wing, carbon-spar RES planes will evolve -- that would be cool. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] A beautiful soaring day
I'm not from SOAR, but close enough in Michigan. Don, you used to be a nice guy, rubbing it in about yesterday as our club contest got called because of wind and snow and 10 foot visibility is really nasty. We will have to get even at the NAT's where you will have to sit in 100 degree 100 percent weather and say you like it. Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:17 AM Subject: [RCSE] A beautiful soaring day To my friends at S.O.A.R., At Poway, CA this morning, the sky was clear, no haze, no fog, no smog. Temperature was in the mid sixties with a gentle wind from the West-Southwest at 5-10 MPH. An overnight low of near 40 degrees provided great thermal opportunities when the sun poked over the mountains (hills in Colorado). Everything flew in rising air including Jim L.'s fleet of scale machines that need good rising air to attain a 30 minute flight. The Compulsion and Addiction spent several minutes maintaining altitude (1500+ ft) with full flaps to limit the altitude. It is tough to leave a great thermal, just to get a little landing practice. Peter had some of the best flights of his short career with his Sagiatta 600. George put on a great show with his electric 3D machine and Garth had some great flights also. I knew it was a good day when I had a great flight with my .020 brushless powered Zoo Bat. Really needed that dual rate elevator as the .020 is a bit faster than the Speed 400. Lunch at Point Loma Seafood, overlooking San Diego Bay ended the daytime portion of a great San Diego day.Don RichmondSan Diego, CA
Re: [RCSE] spoiler rules and linkages
If the plans call for top and bottom spoilers on the Legionnaire, it is legal for Nostalgia. It would not be for RES as the rules state that they can only be top mounted. If the Legionnaire plans do not call for spoilers at all, or only show them top mounted, then for Nostalgia only the top mounted ones would be legal. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] spoiler rules and linkages Ref. rule 3.1.6.C, it would appear that if I wanted to duplicate Lemon Paynes Legionair, that he flew in the mid 70's with both top and bottom spoilers, for Nostalgia or RES, I might not be legal. Comments ? Jack, you can weigh in on this if you wish, from a nostalgia point of view. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] RE: Wing Servos
Dale, is it because of more deadband (electronic), or looser gear sets that eat up the loads at no TX input? Any ideas? The reason I'm asking is that I will need a couple of planes worth of servos soon. I just finished a Milan (knock around plane) and used MPX digitals on R/E/F and MPX analogs on Al with out any noise or chatter. This will be my first use of these servos so can't tell you about flight or reliability yet. I do have H85MG's in my Hera and they are coming out of the flaps due to slop. Can't seem to hold a center and the play scares me a little. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] RE: Wing Servos Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:25:28 EST I just installed HS 85MGs to replace 14 noisy and sometimes intermittent (in four different sailplanes) JR 341 and 351s which had been returned to JR and were returned to me with the $100+ bill as in good condition. These servos were just as noisy and intermittent after this expensive service. One of the new HS 85s was temperature sensitive and replaced, but all are not noisy or intermittent in the same sailplanes. Dale Nutter _ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialupxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Can the new generation of computer radios do this ?
The Profi TX from Multiplex is you savior. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: [RCSE] Can the new generation of computer radios do this ? Hi Guys, I am wondering if there are any radio transmitters out there that allows the user to program the mapping between the control slot number and the control function. My old ( 10 years + ) JR computer radios have got the following slot assignment : Slot 1: Throttle Slot 2: Aileron Slot 3: Elevator Slot 4: Rudder As I am flying sailplanes, the throttle / gear controls are useless to me but I do need the AUX1 control very often as most of my sailplanes have seperate servo for each aileron. That means the receivers I use must support no less than 6 channels ( Thro, Ail, Elev, Rudd, Gear, AUX1 ) and this requirement has been restricting my choice of receivers. What I would like to have is a radio transmitter that allows me to swap the AUX1 and throttle control slot at the so that I can use a 4- ch receiver in the following manner : Slot 1: AUX1 Slot 2: Aileron Slot 3: Elevator Slot 4: Rudder Is this supported by the new generation of computer radio transmitters ? Thanks in advance , Y C Lui RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Unlimited Duration target times...sudo F3B change
All the comments are on target but one has to stay on the club contest focus. A small club or at least a small club contest turnout (less than 12) makes F3B kind of out of the question. Our club has several levels of pilots so maybe the right thing to do is have separate tasks for each level in the same contest. Could really be challenging to beat the entry level guys flying 5 min when the Masters have to do 15. Wadayathink? Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: [RCSE] Unlimited Duration target times...sudo F3B change Pat, I am inclined to agree with your entire post. excuses, reasonings and all. I have been working in South Carolina, and IF I get some free time on Sundays, I find myself driving to Atlanta to fly with Tim Foster and crowd... A great bunch of guys BTW.. At any rate, a few of the members are trying to learn F3B, I go and Play with them and it is fun We are too stupid about it to be snobbish, and its loads of fun... Manpower...heck we take turns and base A; base B; and timing as well as flying.. Its fun...learning anything new, is as much fun as you make it.. It can be done, you just have to be able to withstand the slings and arrows of those NON Change Mongars; Who want a change... something newsomething different it already exists If you can't conquer what you have, why invent something that you can... Hey ! ! that could make me famous..LOL Jack At 03:09 PM 12/2/2002 -0600, Pat McCleave wrote: Doug, I would come out and play. Of course around here, I do not see much chance of anyone else showing up. I have asked my club many times about running an F3B constest and I always get the same response. It takes too much man power, We don't have the right airplane, I have never done it before, Why bother all of the F3B guys are snobs anyway. Personally, I think they are just afraid of trying something new. As for the manpower issue, if we all worked instead of just a few, manpower is not an issue. If we all do not have the right airplane then we would all be in the same boat. I have never done it before, but would love to try it at least once. Who knows I might like it. I have met several of the current crop of F3B pilots at one time or another, I and I do not remember any of them being any different than any other glider junkie. So I say bring it on I bet it would loads of fun. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS From: Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Unlimited Duration target times Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:11:35 -0500 Mr. B's comments beg the question, who flies F3B around 'here'? Beyond the Nat's, do local clubs ever run this format? If one day a club announced that their Sunday contest were F3B, straw poll time, who would come? I've been looking over the rules, and I honestly think I'd show up, who else? Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 LSF Level IV CSS Silver http://www.silentflight.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE]
Same here Alden Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Alden Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: [RCSE] I am on vacation and have been trying to unsubscribe from this list. Every time I send the message to unsubscribe it tells me a verification request message is being sent to me with instructions on how to verify, but I never get it. Can someone tell me the complete instruction for unsubscribing? Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] 32nd Annual Snow Fly
Remember it is on SATURDAY at the TWS field. I have had a couple of people ask me about Sunday so I thought another message was in order. Also, remember to bring water as the water at the clubhouse is turned off for the winter. Art Slagle tells me the temps will be around 40 so if the wind is less than gale force, it is starting to look good. Come and have a coffee and donut on us even if you don't fly, the social gathering is nice. Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re:[RCSE] Cash Prizes
Maybe this is a good thread for our club. One of our members is thinking of having about a $1000 in prizes thinking it will bring in a new bunch of competitors and spur activity that is going down in our area. He is going to front the money, set the entry fee and hope to break even and is not going to ask the club to make up any losses. My question is, will it work? Would those close to Michigan come to a contest in the Detroit area that you normally have not attended. The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society does manage the contests it has quite well and has good equipment. The location is not determined yet and may be one of several sites. Our field is very nice with all the nice stuff including camping and a swimming lake with nice picnic areas. The only problem is the flying area is rather small for a big contest especially if the wind is from the North-South direction. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: Re:[RCSE] Cash Prizes My club does this in our monthly contests. Our entry fee is $ 5.00 and we award $1.00/entry for first, $ 0.50/entry for second and $ 0.25/entry for third. We round all amounts up to the next dollar and award at least $5.00 if the entry level is too small to make the normal prize up to $ 5.00. It works well, we don't have to have trophys engraved every month and even with small contests, the club makes some money. The downside, is the people coming up in the hobby don't get a chance to collect the dust collectors (trophys) they might otherwise cherish. ~ORIGINAL_MESSAGE from [EMAIL PROTECTED]~ Just wondering how people feel about the idea of cash prizes? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Maui soaring pictures
You probably have a reason, making a living. I'm retired now so no excuse for living in Michigan. My old boss from CA used to expound the verbiage NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE IN MI. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Maui soaring pictures Soaring in Maui. shs... what am I doing in Cleveland? Dana Flemming 2002 Soaring Nats E.D. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: Contests; why?
Hey barefoot, come and use that technique in our 32nd annual Snow-Fly on 16FE02 here in Michigan. :). Jack Iafret"Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" - Original Message - From: John Roe To: Rick Eckel ; Tom Hoopes ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; RCSE Soaring (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Contests; why? Contests are the engines that drive the development of the planes we all enjoy for each our own reasons. Contest pilots push out the envelope of performance. Contest pilots want answers to questions that most pilots would never ask, but all builders and pilots get to benefit and extend their enjoyment of the hobby because of these answers. Mostly pilots fly contests because of the wealth and adoration of ourwives and women everywhere who find us irresistable in our shorts and floppy hats with astopwatch around our neck. JR PS. the REAL secret is the bare feet... John RoeLaguna Hills, Ca www.MartialArtsAcademy.org Do You Yahoo!?Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.
Re: [RCSE] RES what's in a name?
Bill and John, A couple of small items to consider in this discussion. First, Nostalgia was never meant to be an event for wood, open framework sailplanes. It allows almost any construction so long as the original was done that way and that includes FRP, foam or whatever. What makes Nostalgia work is that you can not change the topology of the plane especially the airfoil and that is what keeps the event in line with what we would now consider low tech, not the materials. Perhaps a case in point maybe if one took a Dole or one of Dodgeson's designs and used some new computer tools to optimize the airfoils for the planform, it probably could work fairly well in Unlimited today. It is the airfoil that mostly limits performance. Second, the RES event at the NATS had about 65 entrants (?) and I would not consider that a low turnout for a one day event that was shared with Nostalgia that had over 40 or 45 entrants (? did not go back and count). It was still not an AMA event last year so this year should pick up a little. There were not too many hi-tech planes last year at the NATS but look out this year now that the rules are solid. Where does that leave us? My thought only... RES will end up as another Unlimited event with molded, high tech airfoil planes if the AMA rules are followed (and they should be or changed through the formal process). I know that's where I am headed. The Woodies may not be out of the running, but they will still have modern airfoils and planforms and performance will be close to the best molded ships of today. Nostalgia will continue to grow little by little because the planes are in fact much more limited to advancements so the people looking for less than modern speed and cost will hang out there.Consistency usually works for events over long periods of time. In summary, if you want to invent and improve (most do) then keep to the RES rules, if you want to limit performance, stay with Nostalgia. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Bill Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: rcse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES what's in a name? TMSS is considering an RES contest again this year. As so few contestants enetered the AMA RES class last year, we are leaning toward a local rule class requireing built up wood wings. We had both last year since we were afraid that guys with new, high tech molded RES models would dominate the event and circumvent the intent of the event. Didn't happen. Only one high tech model showed up and it didn't really come on like 'gangbusters'. I'd suggest that you poll your market and see what the have to fly. For us, the intent was to have a contest where you could bring the old stuff and have fun. Have a contest aimed at the people who you expect to attend. .bc([EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.widomaker.com/~conk Williamsburg, VA 23185 On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, John Roe wrote: The Harbor Soaring Society like many clubs has a group of pilots who like to fly low tech planes, i.e. Rudder Elevator Spoiler only. This question was debated; As a competition class, what other restrictions should apply? The majority were happy with the AMA definition of RES, which allows any type of construction materials/methods and allows skegs. The other options discussed were: 1. Nostalgia rules, meaning designs kitted during or before 1980. 2. TPG rules, meaning AMA rules but no skegs 3. Local rules, in this case meaning RES controls, no skegs, and wood built up film covered wings, preferably constructed by the builder. The argument for AMA rules was that it is the most popular, most common and recognized. That it allows beginners or kids to buy a foamy or a complete plane and use it without trying to build a built-up model. And that the use of landing skegs makes landings much safer and especially for kids or beginners less likely to damage the plane or injure spectators. The argument for TPG rules was that Real men can land in a circle without skegs. The argument for nostalgia rules is that it is an established wood built-up wing class. The argument for Local Rules was that to achieve the goal of having only built up wood planes by using Nostalgia rules was too restrictive, as it doesn't allow for some popular designs after 1980. Also some members have their own design/modifications etc. that would not be allowed under nostalgia rules. Any thoughts? JR John Roe Laguna Hills, Ca www.MartialArtsAcademy.org - Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe
[RCSE] 32nd Annual Snow Fly
The Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society just got permission to again use the Toledo Weak Signals field for the contest and I have chosen to hold it on Saturday 16FE02. We really like this place for the mid-winter contest because it has a clubhouse with fireplace and hot coffee going all the time. Also we can get in and out even with snow. Last year we had to postpone the event for a couple of weeks (only about the third time that I can remember) because of 55mph winds and none of us are slopers in the flat lands of southern Michigan. The re-fly date was a great day, good lift, light winds a little snow and great fun. The contest is a winter social event as much as a contest so come out the see your flying buddies. We will fly Unlimited, 2M and RES and generally only get in three rounds due to travel and lack of daylight hours. Come and join the fun in the snow and ice and wind and show the west coast fair weather flyers what real diehards are made of. . Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Batteries America - Caution Virus
I did also, I just hit delete when I got the warning. Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Batteries America - Caution Virus Last week I sent an e-mail to Batteries America with an inquiry regarding a receiver pack. Since then, I have received two e-mails from them, both infected with a virus (detected by Norton Anti Virus.) The last one was an .exe file. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Batteries America) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
