Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Now I can see my music on the LMS desktop control panel. Here is last part of the log, by the way: > > [12-06-27 10:57:50.4865] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 15). > [12-06-27 11:05:36.5740] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 14). > [12-06-27 12:57:58.8030] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:57:58.8381] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/01%20Track%2001%2012.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:58:32.7177] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:58:32.7209] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/02%20Track%2002.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:58:40.6395] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:58:40.6431] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/03%20Track%2003.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:58:52.1095] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:58:52.1128] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/04%20Track%2004.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:59:01.1586] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:59:01.1619] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/05%20Track%2005.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:59:15.8000] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:59:15.8034] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/06%20Track%2006.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:59:31.4911] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:59:31.4944] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/07%20Track%2007.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:59:43.1725] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:59:43.1758] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/08%20Track%2008.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 12:59:56.1376] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 12:59:56.1409] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/09%20Track%2009.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 13:00:04.0695] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 13:00:04.0728] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/10%20Track%2010.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 13:00:13.2427] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 13:00:13.2459] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/11%20Track%2011.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 13:00:25.9725] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 13:00:25.9758] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/12%20Track%2012.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 13:00:33.8185] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 13:00:33.8218] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERROR SCANNING audio file > file:///volume1/music/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/13%20Track%2013.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [12-06-27 13:00:39.1781] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [12-06-27 13:00:39.1815] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (793) > ERR
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Just over a year later, I have a new Synbology DS212j NAS (1 TB x 2) and I have loaded my music onto it (mostly ALAC). As before, my Sonos ZP90 works fine on it, but as before, I'm curious to try a Squeezebox Touch with the NAS. Last time, I was having problems with getting the Touch and SBS to work with my NAS (then a Netgear ReadyNAS Duo). I could not properly scan my music files, and they kept pausing intermittently during playback. But I think the Synology NAS can support the Logitech Media Server just fine. And I hardwired my living room setup (where the NAS and Touch will be) to my router to avoid any wi-fi problems. Sooo before I buy another Touch, I thought I would index my music on the NAS using the built-in Logitech Media Server. I ran the scan and it took maybe three hours to scan 26,000+ music files (unlike before, where it took days). The log only showed a few tagging problems; nothing major. It all seemed good until it started scanning my "playlists." now I have only maybe a dozen playlists (in iTunes) and zero playlists in any other devices or applications, so this should have taken maybe ten seconds, but instead it's taking an hour and showing over 7,300 ... items (?) ... playlists (?) scanned, and it's hanging and I can't abort it or access my music library using the LMS on my PC (desktop LMS interface on the NAS). What gives? Any ideas? It's basically just frozen, and now I can't even load the LMS control panel on my desktop. Any ideas? Thanks. Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Cool; thanks. I highly recommend that whole album; great music and unbelievable sonics. http://www.amazon.com/K-D-Sessions-Kruder/dp/B0G257 -- Zonker92 ALAC > Sonos ZP-90> PS Audio Digital Link III> Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs (GPA 902-8A drivers and Z19 crossovers) + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;630933 Wrote: > Thanks for the testing! > > Yes, I didn't, and don't, think the file itself is the problem. If it > had been, it would not have been intermittent. My best bet is that SBS > just doesn't run well on my NASDuo. The stop/start problem occurred > when I tried it both wirelessly and wired. Good morning. Just tested the track on my Boom - again, played back perfectly. (And sounded great btw... ) -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks for the testing! Yes, I didn't, and don't, think the file itself is the problem. If it had been, it would not have been intermittent. My best bet is that SBS just doesn't run well on my NASDuo. The stop/start problem occurred when I tried it both wirelessly and wired. -- Zonker92 ALAC > Sonos ZP-90> PS Audio Digital Link III> Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs (GPA 902-8A drivers and Z19 crossovers) + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I've received an ALAC file from Zonker92 to test with - Loaded it onto my NV+ (4 bay version of the Duo but with identical processor) which is running a recent build of SBS 7.6 and streamed the track to SqueezePlay running on my MacBook. The track played perfectly - no skips or pauses. The NAS utilisation was typically as follows: Code: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 22056 root 26 10 2912 1184 848 S 16.1 0.1 0:49.05 faad 21028 root 25 10 123m 93m 6880 R 4.2 9.5 9:37.94 squeezeboxserve Note that I did also run a backup job on the same NAS while the audio was playing and also tested simultaneously streaming wirelessly just to be sure I wasn't only testing an 'ideal' setup - again no skipping. I'll try again streaming to SB hardware rather than SqueezePlay just to be complete - but that will have to be tomorrow. -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;630858 Wrote: > Thanks! I can recall clearly one particular ALAC file that was stopping > and then starting again. Sometimes. What's the best way to send it to > you? Should I PM my email address to you? > > Of course, there was also the problem with indexing: SBS would scan my > files for 24 hours or so and then I still couldn't play them. Tagging > issues, too. :() I'll send you a PM -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;630854 Wrote: > It occurs to me that I can play with this issue some more, without > actually having a Squeezebox device at the moment. One of these days I > may start working one converting my files to FLAC or WAV and archiving > them on some sort of newer NAS or headless PC, clean up their tags, > then try a Touch again once I have the files working properly with SBS. > Just a thought. All fine ideas. And you can even test it without getting a Touch again. As a first test you could intall one of the SB "software players" such as SqueezePlay on your pc and try streaming from SBS to that. The software players are not as full-featured or robust as hardware Squeezeboxes, but they are a great way of trying things out before you buy. Or before you buy again :-) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
snottmonster;630856 Wrote: > Hello - only just saw your comment re. sending the problem file. By all > means upload the file somewhere and send me the details, if this is > still relevant given your last post Thanks! I can recall which ALAC file was stopping and then starting again. What's the best way to send it to you? Should I PM my email address to you? Of course, there was also the problem with indexing: SBS would scan my files for 24 hours or so and then I still couldn't play them. Tagging issues, too. :() -- Zonker92 ALAC > Sonos ZP-90> PS Audio Digital Link III> Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs (GPA 902-8A drivers and Z19 crossovers) + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Hello - only just saw your comment re. sending the problem file. By all means upload the file somewhere and send me the details, if this is still relevant given your last post -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
OK, here's an update: I sent back the Touch under Amazon's lovely 30-day return policy, politely remarking that the SBS, while obviously flexible and powerful, is also a bit finicky and wasn't working properly in my application. I will probably post a long review on Amazon one of these days, explaining the virtues and drawbacks that I perceive in it. I'm back to running my Sonos ZP-90. It's playing ALAC files through a PS Audio Digital Link III and sounds great. It occurs to me that I can play with this issue some more, without actually having a Squeezebox device at the moment. One of these days I may start working one converting my files to FLAC or WAV and archiving them on some sort of newer NAS or headless PC, clean up their tags, then try a Touch again once I have the files working properly with SBS. Just a thought. Anyway, thanks again for all the help. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks! You guys are awesome; I feel like a quitter. But one of these days I'll probably rally and try again. I know roughly what I would do in that case: I'd buy a computer, like maybe one of those headless Atomics, put a 1 TB hard drive on it, convert my files to FLAC, clean up their tags and install SBS on the computer, then link it to a Touch. But as it is, if this NAS and my ALAC files aren't completely compatible with the SBS, I'm not gonna keep trying to beat a square peg into a round hole. So yeah, there's a decent chance I'll be back here soon with more questions ... Thanks!! -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629590 Wrote: > The tagging problems may lie with my files, although I have to wonder if > it isn't just that SBS is looking for a particular format and can't read > my files because iTunes tagged them in some particular weird manner, > viz., a compatibility problem. And the fact remains that the Sonos app > has zero problems indexing the same files, so the tagging doesn't seem > to bother that app. If a tagging defect doesn't affect the operation > of the system, is it really a defect? Why Sonos reads those tags and SBS doesn't is a puzzle to me, too. Both SBS and Sonos _should_ be looking for a "particular format" because that's how it's done. Even closed, proprietary formats like ALAC have standards that all programs that read or write ALAC tags should follow. Maybe the SBS scanner is using outdated standards. After all, Apple is known to change formats a bit capriciously, although if the SBS scanner were out of date I would expect to see other complaints, as you're not the only one using ALAC. Or maybe Sonos is more forgiving of tagging errors. I don't know. In this case snottmonster's offer to see if one of the problem files works on his SBS system could be useful in debugging things. If you are still willing to put more time into it, I also like toby10's suggestion of running SBS 7.5.4 on your computer, pointing it to the library on the NAS. That may be an unacceptable way for you to run your network audio system, but it would at least resolve some of the puzzles about why SBS is not working for you when it really _does_ work for most people. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629587 Wrote: > ... It's just bizarre that two systems see the same files on the same > NAS and one of them indexes them and plays them effortlessly, and the > other chokes and craps out. It's easy to blame the equipment and > user--perhaps rightfully so--but the question remains--what is Sonos > doing that the SBS isn't?. Well, there is a big difference in how you are utilizing these two systems. Sonos' server is running separately from your NAS, only using the NAS as the library storage, very little resources needed, similar too a computer accessing data on a USB drive. Whereas you are actually "running" SBS on your NAS, which is very resource intensive. Run SBS on a computer, pointing SBS to your NAS library, now you have a fair comparison of the two systems. I don't use Sonos but that is my understanding of how they work. Then when you start combining factors (server on low power NAS, ALAC, lossless transcoding, iTunes tagging & art) the issues multiply quickly. Couple other things to check: - are you certain no other program or service is running on the NAS? - is anything possibly using the common ports required for SBS server? i.e. any other media program using same ports? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629590 Wrote: > > As to the ALAC issue, I agree that it seems to be a major problem here, > and I too can't see why the engineers haven't resolved it. The fact > that I encoded most of my CDs with ALAC (because I use iTunes) is a sad > coincidence, but one that probably will affect a lot of other people > too. I suspect the Logitech engineers will eventually resolve it, but > it's too bad they have yet to do so. > Hello again - I've been reading along and I'm sorry the suggestions haven't helped; Aubuti has covered anything that I might have suggested. But please do remember that I have run the same type of material, and even 24/96 material from a similarly spec'ed NAS without issue. So we have to consider the possibility that this issue is unique to your setup. The offer still stands if there is anything I can do to try & help reproduce and/or debug the problem -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Yes, that all sounds right, Aubuti. And by no means am I lashing out at you. To the contrary; you've been a fantastic person who's gone way above and beyond the call of duty. As to the ALAC issue, I agree that it seems to be a major problem here, and I too can't see why the engineers haven't resolved it. The fact that I encoded most of my CDs with ALAC (because I use iTunes) is a sad coincidence, but one that probably will affect a lot of other people too. I suspect the Logitech engineers will eventually resolve it, but it's too bad they have yet to do so. The tagging problems may lie with my files, although I have to wonder if it isn't just that SBS is looking for a particular format and can't read my files because iTunes tagged them in some particular weird manner, viz., a compatibility problem. And the fact remains that the Sonos app has zero problems indexing the same files, so the tagging doesn't seem to bother that app. If a tagging defect doesn't affect the operation of the system, is it really a defect? I won't say the Sonos is perfect. It doesn't import most of my album art and it doesn't output 24/96 data, and it lacks a touchscreen and it doesn't let people tamper with its features or modify or add to them. All in all, I think the SBS / Touch is a much more exciting set of features. I just wish to God it worked with my files, on my system. And as I suggested, I'm surprised that a lot of people aren't pissed that it's so finicky and requires so much attention. But I may monkey around with it some more ... we'll see. And again: Thanks for all the help; you are seriously cool person. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
The first time I tried to use a Sonos system at a local audio shop it didn't work. Period. And the staff person who tried to help couldn't get it to work either. And this was a decent shop, not some Best Buy or other big box store. I tried one a couple years later at a different store and it worked okay. Nothing impressive, but it worked. Sonos is a much more restricted environment. Proprietary wireless network, limited interfaces, etc. But by all reports it works with minimum fuss, albeit with minimal flexibility. But if minimal flexibility is all you need, then it's a no-brainer: go with minimal fuss. Compared to that, Squeezeboxes are wild and woolly open-source products, with endless possibilities for some and endless headaches for others. I think the crux of your problem is (a) ALAC, which isn't decoded on the Touch, and (b) an underpowered server. Why the Touch still has a "buggy" (to use a Logitech developer's description) ALAC decoder is beyond me. When the player can't do the decoding that shifts the burden onto the server, and sorry, but your ReadyNAS can't handle it. I described your system as borderline wrt to system requirements, but if you factor in transcoding your NAS is _way_ below system requirements. Presumably your Sonos players are taking care of the decoding because they have non-buggy ALAC decoders. For the record, tagging errors are completely on the user. Neither Sonos nor Squeezebox write or edit tags for the user. Anyway, enjoy the music! -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
That's a valid comment, assuming the NAS is the problem. But when I look at all the issues:--ALAC transcoding, tagging errors and scanning problems--and consider the possible solutions--reencoding all my files, buying a new computer and retagging all my my files--then factor in all the time and money I've already invested in my NAS and files--the question I have is why can't the SBS do what the Sonos app does--play the same files off the same NAS? It's just bizarre that two systems see the same files on the same NAS and one of them indexes them and plays them effortlessly, and the other chokes and craps out. It's easy to blame the equipment and user--perhaps rightfully so--but the question remains-- what is Sonos doing that the SBS isn't? Which isn't to say I'm giving up for good. I may retreat, lick my wounds, then try again later. But for now I am frankly amazed that the SBS can't do something SS seemingly basic as indexing and playing ALAC files on an NAS without Herculean efforts on the part of the user. How many people hand the expertise or patience to tolerate and remedy that? OK, that was my rant. Thanks for all your help, and I'm sorry I ran out of patience. I may try again later. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I suppose Sonos is the better solution for some people. But to be fair, let's not overlook the fact that you were trying to run SBS on a system that is borderline at best wrt minimum system requirements. Just sayin' -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Unbelievable: I just fired up the Sonos desktop controller and it indexed my entire library in about 15 minutes. I reconnected the Zoneplayer, hit Play and I'm listening to music on it now. And that's after four days of agony with SBS. I could start a long rant now, but I'm just saying ... -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks again. I reinstalled version 75 and ran the cleaner and rebooted a few times, but I still can;t access SBS on my NAS; my browser says it can't "open the page http://192.168.1.9:9000/ because Safari cant connect to the server 192.168.1.9." I'm getting really close to just sending the Touch back for a refund. I simply cannot believe how annoying SBS is. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629553 Wrote: > Huh; never heard of that. Do those programs clean up tags? They don't do it automatically. I look at them as tools to help you thoroughly inspect your tags and then you can clean up the tags. iTunes also lets you view and edit tags, but mp3tag is much more thorough and powerful, especially for looking at large chunks of your library at one time. AFAIK iTunes only lets you do it a track at a time, and it doesn't even show you all the tags. Zonker92;629553 Wrote: > That was my first impression, but if you look it seems to be saying it's > having trouble reading the tags, not the music files. It says things > like "Unable to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8)" I > think that's a reference to the tag, but I could be wrong. Normally the tags are _in_ the music files, and I assume that's where yours are. And yes, the scanner is only trying to read the tags, not the audio portion of the files. Zonker92;629553 Wrote: > Good call, and I know you suggested that before. My only problem with > that is, it means I have to re-scan again, and if it works I'll haver > to go back and rescan all my files again. If it doesn't, I could go > back and rescan part or all in 7.5? Seems like it might yield useful > information quickly, but in the long run I'm still kinda screwed if > it's not working right, unless it yields a way to fix the problem. I > thought that either way it would simply scan overnight so it was no > skin off my butt. But n You will have to rescan your entire library again anyway, whether you do it in 7.5 or 7.6. That last scan was a disaster, and any database produced in the end is useless. It looks as if there are some things about your files that the scanner doesn't like. Certainly some (and likely all) of the problem is the tags, as shown by the invalid replaygain tag error. Fixing that problem means fixing the tags. So you can edit the tags on 20 files, rescan those 20 files, and see if the errors go away. If they do, then apply the same changes as needed to your other 25,683 files, and rescan the whole lot. If the tag edit doesn't fix the 20 files, try a different solution and rescan to see if that fixes. Basically until you know what's actually wrong with the tags/files it's an iterative trial-and-error process. Doing the trial and error on all 25,000 tracks instead of 25 known problem tracks is simply masochism. And doing it on a ReadyNAS Duo is purely nuts. And if your scans were working on 7.5, you may want to just go back to that until the dust is completely settled with 7.6 beta. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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aubuti;629548 Wrote: > My log file forensic skills are basic at best. And they are less than > that on 7.6, where I haven't seen any problems yet firsthand. And I > have no experience whatsoever with ALAC. So my first suggestion is that > you put the whole log file in a zip file and post it here, and hope that > someone with more expertise comes along soon! I may do that, thanks. > As for the invalid replaygain tags, you should check those in a good > tagging program. I usually recommend the donation-ware mp3tag, but I > don't know if it handles ALAC. Despite the name it handles FLAC > wonderfully. You can check for ALAC support on the website > (www.mp3tag.de). Huh; never heard of that. Do those programs clean up tags? > In addition to the replaygain errors, the scanner can't read more than a > few bytes from many of your files. I have no clue what's up with that, > but obviously it's not good. That was my first impression, but if you look it seems to be saying it's having trouble reading the tags, not the music files. It says things like "Unable to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8)" I think that's a reference to the tag, but I could be wrong. > My only other recommendation is very generic, but it's a real timesaver. > If you want to continue pursuing 7.6, then I suggest making a small test > library that you use until you get the scanning issue ironed out. The > errors you're getting after 20 hours are probably the same type of > errors you're getting after 2 minutes, so there's no point in flogging > a dead horse. Be sure to include at least one of the albums that shows > up as having problems in your current log. Good call, and I know you suggested that before. My only problem with that is, it means I have to re-scan again, and if it works I'll haver to go back and rescan all my files again. If it doesn't, I could go back and rescan part or all in 7.5? Seems like it might yield useful information quickly, but in the long run I'm still kinda screwed if it's not working right, unless it yields a way to fix the problem. I thought that either way it would simply scan overnight so it was no skin off my butt. But n > Finally, if you haven't already done so, search in the Beta forum for > issues with scanning Apple Lossless. Will do; thanks. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Zonker92;629547 Wrote: > At this rate it's looking like maybe another 24 hours of scanning to go, > just to delete some non-existent playlists. Nuts. What if I just abort > it now; will it still access my music files? Abort it. With all those errors the final result won't be useful anyway. You can still access your files via My Music > Music Folder. Then try to sort out the scan failures via the small test library I suggested. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
My log file forensic skills are basic at best. And they are less than that on 7.6, where I haven't seen any problems yet firsthand. And I have no experience whatsoever with ALAC. So my first suggestion is that you put the whole log file in a zip file and post it here, and hope that someone with more expertise comes along soon! As for the invalid replaygain tags, you should check those in a good tagging program. I usually recommend the donation-ware mp3tag, but I don't know if it handles ALAC. Despite the name it handles FLAC wonderfully. You can check for ALAC support on the website (www.mp3tag.de). In addition to the replaygain errors, the scanner can't read more than a few bytes from many of your files. I have no clue what's up with that, but obviously it's not good. My only other recommendation is very generic, but it's a real timesaver. If you want to continue pursuing 7.6, then I suggest making a small test library that you use until you get the scanning issue ironed out. The errors you're getting after 20 hours are probably the same type of errors you're getting after 2 minutes, so there's no point in flogging a dead horse. Be sure to include at least one of the albums that shows up as having problems in your current log. Finally, if you haven't already done so, search in the Beta forum for issues with scanning Apple Lossless. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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At this rate it's looking like maybe another 24 hours of scanning to go, just to delete some non-existent playlists. Nuts. What if I just abort it now; will it still access my music files? -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Dmn. What would I look for in the log? I looked the 1,000-line scan log. I saw a lot of error notations. I have no idea what the replay gain thing is about; I had that turned off in iTunes. > > > [11-05-04 14:45:48.8784] main::main (196) Starting Squeezebox Server > scanner (v7.6.0, r32383, Tue May 3 02:06:10 PDT 2011) perl 5.008008 > [11-05-04 14:46:08.3361] Slim::Music::Import::runImporter (465) > Starting Slim::Music::MusicFolderScan scan > [11-05-04 14:46:08.3586] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::rescan (155) > Discovering files in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/iTunes/iTunes > Media/Music > [11-05-04 14:51:53.6764] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (227) > Removing deleted files (0) > [11-05-04 14:51:53.6918] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (280) > Scanning new files (25803) > [11-05-04 15:10:06.7479] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [11-05-04 15:10:06.7782] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen%20Stone/05%20Comedown.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [11-05-04 15:10:07.0526] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499) > Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes > Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen Stone/06 Body.m4a: > REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN -> inf > [11-05-04 15:10:07.4628] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499) > Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes > Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen Stone/07 Machinehead.m4a: > REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN -> inf > [11-05-04 15:10:07.8582] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Bush/Sixteen%20Stone/08%20Testosterone%201.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [11-05-04 15:54:31.9982] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Compilations/The%20Goa%20Mix/1-10%20Main%20Titles%20And%20Floor%20Essence.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [11-05-04 16:29:48.4182] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499) > Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes > Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/David Sedaris/Barrel Fever Disc 3/15 > Blank.m4a: REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN -> inf > [11-05-04 18:32:18.4800] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 12). > [11-05-04 19:07:20.9286] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499) > Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes > Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/John Mayer/Room For Squares/YUNL.m4a: > REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN -> inf > [11-05-04 19:39:51.9751] Slim::Schema::_preCheckAttributes (2499) > Invalid ReplayGain tag found in /media/Music/iTunes/iTunes > Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Korn/Follow The Leader/01 Silence.m4a: > REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN -> inf > [11-05-04 20:36:48.8870] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Massive%20Attack/100th%20Window/07%20Small%20Time%20Shot%20Away%201.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [11-05-04 21:21:32.7407] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 15). > [11-05-04 21:50:16.4108] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 14). > [11-05-05 07:38:02.1177] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [11-05-05 07:38:02.1395] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/01%20Track%2001%2012.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [11-05-05 07:39:21.4478] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [11-05-05 07:39:21.4559] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/02%20Track%2002.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > [11-05-05 07:39:43.0777] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: Error: Unable > to read at least 16 bytes from file (only read 8). > [11-05-05 07:39:43.0857] Slim::Utils::Scanner::Local::__ANON__ (655) > ERROR SCANNING > file:///media/Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Music/iTunes/iTunes%20Media/Music/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/03%20Track%2003.m4a: > Unable to read tags from file > > -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 _
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Just so you know, that is Not Normal. You said you have around 2500 CDs, so I'd guess that's probably 30-35k tracks. My library is only about 1/5 that size, but on my NAS it would finish scanning in around one hour (vs 13 minutes on my Atom mini-pc). Maybe you should look at the scanner.log even before it's finished to see if there are any clues. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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21 hours now, and still a few hundred files to go ... man. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
aubuti;629490 Wrote: > I don't know why it should be so slow. For me, 7.6 scans a little faster > than 7.5.4. And it was that way on my NAS, too. If it goes much longer, > abort the scan and check the scanner.log file. OK; thanks. It looks like it's almost done with the file scanning, so for now I'll let it run. > Btw, even if the scan hasn't completed you should be able to see all of > your music files if you use the My Music > Music Folder route to browse > your files. That is the only browse mode that doesn't use the SQL > database -- it just reads directly from the OS. However, note that if > your NAS is heavily occupied running the scan that the response going > via Music Folder is likely to be very slow. Ah, success: My music is there. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. The next big question will be, whether 7.6 still does that annoying intermittent pause thing on the first track of my ALAC albums. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I don't know why it should be so slow. For me, 7.6 scans a little faster than 7.5.4. And it was that way on my NAS, too. If it goes much longer, abort the scan and check the scanner.log file. Btw, even if the scan hasn't completed you should be able to see all of your music files if you use the My Music > Music Folder route to browse your files. That is the only browse mode that doesn't use the SQL database -- it just reads directly from the OS. However, note that if your NAS is heavily occupied running the scan that the response going via Music Folder is likely to be very slow. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Boy, why is the scan so slow? I installed version 7.6 as an experiment, and instead of following your sage advice, I had it clear and rescan all my music. Big mistake. On the Sonos desktop application a full scan took maybe 20 minutes. On the SBS, it seems to take longer every time I do it. This time it's at 18 hours and it's still not done. Amazing. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Yes, I think that's a good way to go, and I've been mulling it over and playing with the trial version of dBpoweramp, trying to suss out its batch conversion process. I'd have to figure out how, of the 2,500 or so albums I have, to figure out which were ALACs and convert them while leaving alone the others. Right now I'm rescanning after putting the 7.6 SBS on the NAS; just curious to see how that works and I thought it could scan everything overnight again, but it's still working away this morning. Thanks again for all the help! -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Zonker92;629077 Wrote: > Cool; thanks again. I am thinking it's probably overkill to replace my > NAS just to get this one issue ironed out; I should probably just > convert my files to FLAC and be done with it. I just need to figure > out where to put them; I have 47% of each of my RAID hard drives used > up with files already, but maybe there's room there for the FLACs, too, > until I delete the ALAC files or archive them elsewhere. Sounds good. One simple way would be to convert half of your library, verify that the conversion was done correctly, delete the ALACs you converted, and then repeat the process with the second half of your library. To be on the safe side, you may want to add another drive into the mix (eg, external USB drive) so that you don't have to wipe out your existing library until you're absolutely sure you're happy with the conversion to FLAC. Yes, that would cost money, but if it saves you some time jockeying files and drives then it may be worth it. And the drive will still be useful for something else later. And as always, be sure you have a backup, remembering that RAID is not the same as a backup. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hey, now that I have the problem localized, if not completely diagnosed, I think I'll start a new thread focusing on this exact problem, because it may elicit more responses. Thanks again and please feel free to keep posting here, or in the new thread. -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Cool; thanks again. I am thinking it's probably overkill to replace my NAS just to get this one issue ironed out; I should probably just convert my files to FLAC and be done with it. I just need to figure out where to put them; I have 47% of each of my RAID hard drives used up with files already, but maybe there's room there for the FLACs, too, until I delete the ALAC files or archive them elsewhere. Fun, fun. ;) -- Zonker92 Squeezebox Touch > Dynaco Stereo 70 > Altec 846Bs with 902 drivers and Z19 crossovers + Velodyne HGS-12 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629074 Wrote: > I'll stand by my quote above as for US law being unclear on this issue, > but I know the laws vary from country to country. Honestly, I had > never even considered the issue before, it just seemed so obvious to > me, even though I am a lawyer. But now that I consider it I understand > your position. Thanks for the link to that interesting forum thread. US law is very unclear on the matter, as von Lohmann himself admitted. Other countries are very clear on the topic, in either direction. Zonker92;629074 Wrote: > Yes, if I can figure out which programs to use for that process, I may > take that route. I normally set iTunes to down-convert the files I put > on our iPods anyway, for the reasons you say, but that makes synching > painfully slow. Lots of programs will do FLAC to MP3. Fewer will do ALAC to MP3 (or ALAC to FLAC). A couple good ones are dBpoweramp (www.dbpoweramp.com) and foobar2000 (www.foobar2000.org). Zonker92;629074 Wrote: > And just leave it running 24-7? That's cool. Could I just throw one > of my NAS hard drives into it? What OS do you use on it? Yep, 24/7. Or use the ServerPowerControl plugin and have it automatically go into suspend mode after all Squeezeboxes have been inactive for X minutes. Then wake the server back up via the Touch, which sends a Wake-on-LAN packet to the server. As long as the size and interface of the NAS hard drive is compatible with the pc, no problem transferring the drive from the NAS. I chose Debian Linux for my box because (a) I think *nix is a lot better than Windows for set-and-forget server applications like SBS, and (b) the price was right (free). Initially I was using Ubuntu Linux on the box. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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aubuti;629072 Wrote: > I'm not a lawyer, but I have researched it some. In some countries > buying the CD only gives you a license to listen to the music, and you > transfer that license when you sell the CD. I'm no fan of the > music/entertainment corporations, though I am a fan of many artists. > From a copyright standpoint it's no different from the original Napster > or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted content via torrent. But as > you say, that's a digression. I'll stand by my quote above as for US law being unclear on this issue, but I know the laws vary from country to country. Honestly, I had never even considered the issue before, it just seemed so obvious to me, even though I am a lawyer. But now that I consider it I do now understand your position. > What many of us do is keep one lossless copy for home use and a lossy > copy (like MP3 or AAC) for portable use. ... Rip once to lossless, then > you have a perfect copy you can use to create parallel lossy library. Yes, if I can figure out which programs to use for that process, I may take that route. I normally set iTunes to down-convert the files I put on our iPods anyway, for the reasons you say, but that makes synching painfully slow. > the client/server model still applies in many ways. OK; that's starting to make sense now; thanks. > I would recommend a low-end Intel Atom-based pc instead. And just leave it running 24-7? That's cool. Could I just throw one of my NAS hard drives into it? What OS do you use on it? -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629068 Wrote: > I know it's a digression, but I don't see any copyright issues, myself: > I had the legal right to rip my own CDs and I can't imagine I had the > duty to destroy those copies simply because I sold the CDs, but I > haven't actually researched that issue; it just sounds crazy to me. > But anyhoo ... I'm not a lawyer, but I have researched it some. In some countries buying the CD only gives you a license to listen to the music, and you transfer that license when you sell the CD. I'm no fan of the music/entertainment corporations, though I am a fan of many artists. >From a copyright standpoint it's no different from the original Napster or unauthorized distribution of copyrighted content via torrent. But as you say, that's a digression. Zonker92;629068 Wrote: > I have considered that, and I'm not too reluctant to try it, but then > what would I do with putting music on all our iPods? iTunes (for PC) > doesn't support FLAC, does it? I wanted one type of file that I could > use on all our devices and our home music server. If there's a way I > can use FLAC and still transfer music to our iPods easily, then I might > consider that. Or I could simply maintain two sets of the music files I > guess, and rip everything new twice ... What many of us do is keep one lossless copy for home use and a lossy copy (like MP3 or AAC) for portable use. Speaking for myself, I am sure I can't tell the difference between lossless and decent-quality lossy on my portable players or in my car. The quality of the players and the lousy acoustic environments are the limiting factors there, not lossless/lossy. In that situation, lossless files are just a waste of disk space, and sometimes they run the battery down faster. And you don't have to rip twice. Rip once to lossless, then you have a perfect copy you can use to create parallel lossy library. Zonker92;629068 Wrote: > Dang. Weird. SBS is really a new concept to my small brain. The origins of Squeezeboxes are slim devices, like the name of the company that started them (before being bought by Logitech). The SBs were just dumb clients, incapable of displaying the time of day, changing the volume, etc without a command from the server. That provided a lot of flexibility, including being able to improve the player by upgrading the server software. The newer models (Touch, Radio) are more powerful "smart" players, which is a big break from that model. But the client/server model still applies in many ways. Zonker92;629068 Wrote: > I wonder if I should get a better NAS? This sucks, worrying about > recoding all my music or replacing more gear. :( Oh, well, every time > I switch to new gadgets I wind up giving myself a lot of headaches like > this. You could get a better NAS, but these days I would recommend a low-end Intel Atom-based pc instead. You can run it headless (no monitor or keyboard), just like a NAS. They are generally more flexible, with more computing power per $ than the typical NAS. And electricity consumption can be comparable to a NAS, or even better if you employ power management features that are standard on a PC but often missing on a NAS. I put together a simple headless pc for under $300 -- and that was 2+ years ago, you could do much better now. -- aubuti Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it, and it's '100% wind powered' (http://www.cleancurrents.com/). 'MSI single-core Atom mini-desktop' (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032) (Debian Lenny 5.0.6) feeding: Living room: SB Touch > 'NAD C325 BEE' (http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier) > 'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html); Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/) > 'AudioSource Amp100' (http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6) > 2 pair of 'Polk RC60i' (http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement: 'SB2' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/) > 'JVC JA-S44' (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813) > 'ESS Tempest LS8' (http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/); Bedroom: Boom; Study: SB Radio; Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) > 'AudioSource Amp100' (http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6) > 'Polk Atrium 45' (http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's bedroom: 'SB3' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/) > 'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0' (http://www.klipsch.com.cn/na-en/products/promedia-ultra-2-0-overview/); Roaming controllers: iPod touch with iPeng, 3 'SB Duet' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks, you guys. I am on whatever standard version was current yesterday; that's when I downloaded and installed it. At this point, it seems my choices are to (1) go to FLAC; (2) try that Beta SBS; (3) buy a new NAS and hope that would help; or (4) endure the occasional stoppage and hope for a new version soon. I may also try reinstalling and running SBS on my PC and see if that helps, I guess. I could point it at a different music folder. -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
As you said, the Sonos system is much simpler - that goes for the streaming too which uses a much more light weight server than SBS. I'm not 100% sure but I believe no transcoding of ALAC is needed either My understanding is that 7.6 has been reported to be far less resource hungry, and particularly beneficial for low powered systems. This was the reason I was testing it for someone else who wanted to migrate - but they were not very comfortable doing so. It certainly seemed to perform better in the short test I did That said, if you haven't upgraded to 7.5.4, that may be the better first step than moving straight to a beta release that is still undergoing many changes as aubuti already stated. -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
To use the Touch's built-in server (TinySBS) you would need to have the music files on a USB drive instead of the NAS. Then plug the USB drive into the Touch, activate TinySBS (via Settings > Advanced > Squeezebox Server > Start Squeezebox Server). Then it will take a while to scan the USB drive and built the database of metadata. The main difference with 7.6 is that it uses SQLite for the database instead of MySQL. TinySBS already uses SQLite. SQLite has a lighter footprint than MySQL, and tends to run better than MySQL on underpowered servers such as yours. 7.6 is still beta, gets updated nightly, and has a distinct possibility of breaking from time to time. Last I heard they were expecting it to be released around June this year, but there are absolutely no promises in that regard. If there is a build for the ReadyNAS you can download it from http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly . You can install it on the NAS the same way you did 7.5.x, and yes, it will have to rescan your library. For purposes of testing you could try pointing it a small subset of your library, so that it finishes the scan more quickly. Pick a subset containing albums that have exhibited the problem already with 7.5.x. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
aubuti;629065 Wrote: > Depending on what country you're in that could be a little dicey from a > legal standpoint (civil copyright infringement in some places), but > that's a separate matter. I know it's a digression, but I don't see any copyright issues, myself: I had the legal right to rip my own CDs and I can't imagine I had the duty to destroy those copies simply because I sold the CDs, but I haven't actually researched that issue; it just sounds crazy to me. But anyhoo ... > Any particular reason for using Apple Lossless? If not, then you could > batch convert from ALAC to FLAC and there wouldn't be any loss in music > quality, because lossless is lossless. If you want ALAC for an iPod or > something then that's not a solution for you, but otherwise there > aren't any drawbacks. You can just set a computer going on your ALAC > library and check back when it's done. There are various software > packages that can do it. I have considered that, and I'm not too reluctant to try it, but then what would I do with putting music on all our iPods? iTunes (for PC) doesn't support FLAC, does it? I wanted one type of file that I could use on all our devices and our home music server. If there's a way I can use FLAC and still transfer music to our iPods easily, then I might consider that. Or I could simply maintain two sets of the music files I guess, and rip everything new twice ... Fyi, SBS does the volume control. By default, decoding is done on the player (eg, Touch) for codecs that the player can natively decode, and on the server for other codecs. You can also override those settings to decode on the server instead of player. In your case, because the ALAC decoder on the Touch is buggy, the decoding is done at the server. I have no idea if/when ALAC native will ever lose its greyed out status, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. Dang. Weird. SBS is really a new concept to my small brain. I wonder if I should get a better NAS? This sucks, worrying about recoding all my music or replacing more gear. :( Oh, well, every time I switch to new gadgets I wind up giving myself a lot of headaches like this. -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Well, for the last year this Duo has been streaming these exact same files to my Sonos ZP90 with no problems, ever, and even on the Touch they play fine about half the time, so I don't think the problem is with the files them selves. But I do appreciate the offer to check one of them out for me. No, I think the problem must lie somewhere between the file and the DAC's output stage, perhaps in the NAS SBS or in the Touch somewhere? Is there a simple way to stop using the SBS in the NAS (as I am now) and instead use the mini-SBS built into the Touch? That might be a cool test. Also, how is SBS 7.6 different? Can I install that on my NAS instead? Would I have to rescan all my files (about 5-6 hours of scanning)? -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629051 Wrote: > The bad news is, the problem occurs only with Apple Lossless files, > which is almost all the CDs I owned, ripped, then sold last year. :( Depending on what country you're in that could be a little dicey from a legal standpoint (civil copyright infringement in some places), but that's a separate matter. Any particular reason for using Apple Lossless? If not, then you could batch convert from ALAC to FLAC and there wouldn't be any loss in music quality, because lossless is lossless. If you want ALAC for an iPod or something then that's not a solution for you, but otherwise there aren't any drawbacks. You can just set a computer going on your ALAC library and check back when it's done. There are various software packages that can do it. Fyi, SBS does the volume control. By default, decoding is done on the player (eg, Touch) for codecs that the player can natively decode, and on the server for other codecs. You can also override those settings to decode on the server instead of player. In your case, because the ALAC decoder on the Touch is buggy, the decoding is done at the server. I have no idea if/when ALAC native will ever lose its greyed out status, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I wouldn't have thought a DAC would make any difference - the source of the issue appears to be the streaming from SBS to the Touch; ie the problem is occurring before the audio data is fed to the DAC Do you have any other addons running on your Duo? Anything else communicating with the Duo that could be loading it? I'd be happy to try one of your problem ALAC files on my NV+ if you needed a sanity check. Otherwise you would need to investigate the Duo utilization more carefully, or alternatively try out SBS 7.6. -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks for the advice! Is the NAS doing the volume control or decoding? I had supposed those processes were done inside the Touch itself. Actually, I have now hard-wired the Touch to my four-port router (where the NAS is also connected) and the problem persists, but occurs only with ALAC problems. And strangely, although it's intermittent, when it does happen it seems to occur at the same point each time: A song plays for about three seconds, the sound stops, then maybe four seconds later it resumes and after that it plays fine. Usually, it happens only with the first track on an album, but sometimes when I manually switch tracks it will happen on subsequent tracks. So even though this stuff is mainly way over my head, I do this this is an issue with how it's handling my Apple Lossless files. -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Hello - maybe I can offer some advice re. the NAS as I have some specific experience in this area The Duo processor is very much tuned for low power and data transfer support; it is not a good processor for running applications - even the Duo's own configuration interface which works similarly to SBS can be sluggish. The net result tends to be that audio streaming usually works very well, but interacting with SBS, particularly via the web interface can be very slow. iPhone based controllers and the like usually work reasonably well, but the sluggishness in things like volume control is probably a consequence of the low powered processor. Regarding ALAC (which I also use), transcoding those to PCM is a separate task to the SBS application and isn't a particularly "heavy" operation. So this is typically well within the capability of the Duo processor. With that in mind & given the reports of intermittent pauses without any real pattern, I'd also be most inclined to first ensure this wasn't an issue of poor wifi reception by temporarily wiring the Touch to the NAS as already suggested - it is the more likely based on the info so far given. Perhaps for the purpose of a test you could temporarily relocate the touch close to the NAS and use some portable speakers if you have them? If that doesn't work, it is possible to analyze the processor utilization - but I would suggest that is a later task only if all else fails. -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Exactly. OK, I hard-wired it and used the advanced settings to connect it to the ethernet cable, and the problem persists. I also tried a bunch of different formats (MP3, Apple Lossless and WAVs). The good news is, I don't have to climb under the house. The bad news is, the problem occurs only with Apple Lossless, which is almost all the CDs I owned, ripped, then sold last year. :( Maybe it won't happen if I use an outboard DAC, but I'm not holding my breath. I see that the Squeezeserver has had ALAC problems and aI variety of changes over time. But I'm not finding any threads on my exact problem. The only usable settings I can see for this format are PCM > "faad" or "Disabled." It's on faad right now. Any thoughts? -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;629008 Wrote: > Gotta love intermittent problems ... ...but only sometimes -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I'll check both those possibilities; thanks. And I just spent a few minutes testing: The "pause" occurred on some of my Apple Lossless albums sometimes, and not on the same albums or tracks at other times. Sometimes it happened on the first track and sometimes on later tracks. I tried a WAV album and it didn't happen, but that doesn't mean much because the problem's intermittent. Gotta love intermittent problems ... -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
If your NAS has a utility like 'top' you could check to see if the CPU is pegged at 100% when trying to get that first track transcoded and out the door. If I recall correctly, that NAS's CPU doesn't do floating point operations, which could be another constraint for transcoding, though I don't know for sure. I have no idea if an external DAC will help -- I don't know enough about if/how that affects the decoding process. One other test to consider: make FLAC copies of one or more of your ALAC albums and see if you have the same problems when you play it/them. Send the stream as FLAC to be decoded natively on the Touch. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Good idea about that cable. I was thinking the same thing. I may have a super-long cable lying around that I could try, but my quote above suggests that buffering is not the problem. The pause occurs only on the first song of an album; after that the later songs play with no pause, at least so far. I was looking at that transcoding setting. It looks like the option for native playback is grayed-out on my SBS settings for Apple Lossless, so it has to transcode to FLAC; I have on idea if that would cause an interruption. If I use an external DAC will that still happen, I wonder? Thanks again! -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
While you're troubleshooting the problems, (especially determining whether it is insufficient wifi bandwidth or straining an underpowered NAS, could you temporarily run an ethernet cable across the floor? That is, before you get serious with drilling holes, running through walls, installing wallplates, and messing with drywall or spackle (my least favorite, yuck). Even though wired connections are always good, that's a lot of sweat if it turns out that the main problem is your NAS's resources. I am sure you can get back to the wired/wifi question again by doing a factory reset of the Touch and re-doing the setup process. You can do that by pressing the very small button just above where the power cable connects to the Touch, and hold it for about 10-15 seconds, until the screen says "Factory reset" or something similar. I'm just not sure if you can change to wired without doing a full reset on the Touch. Ah, Apple Lossless. I don't have any of those, so I don't follow those events, but one of the developers (andyg) has reported that the ALAC decoder in the Touch is buggy, so SBS uses transcoding on the server when possible (see this thread for a little info, search the forums for more: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84823). So it's possible that your NAS isn't able to transcode enough of the track in the < 10 seconds before it starts playing the first track. Does the same thing happen if you are in the middle of a track and then skip to the next track? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I think it's buffering, too. I'll look and do a search to see if I can change that setting to it buffers a little longer. It will be a bit of work to run an ethernet cable over there. I'll have to climb under the house, drill some holes and add some wall plates. But maybe this weekend ... I do think that in the long term I'll be happier with a cable than wi-fi. When I installed the Touch yesterday Im pretty sure it asked me whether I wanted wi-fi or a hard connection. There must be a way to find that option again. -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;628973 Wrote: > OK; yes, for the first track on each album, it will play maybe two > seconds, pause, then resume. The later tracks seem to play without > interruption. Weird. That sounds like it could be starting to play before the Touch's buffer is full. I know there's a setting to adjust how long to wait before starting to play internet radio, but I don't remember if there is something similar for playing from one's own library. It may be less of an issue for later tracks because it starts buffering the next track 10 seconds before the current track is finished. What type of files are these? Are they hi-res (24/96)? Is the Touch still running wirelessly? If so, try running an ethernet cable to it (at least temporarily) to see if that solves the problem. Be sure to verify that the Touch makes the switch to ethernet -- I honestly don't remember whether or not you have to go through the Touch setup again when switching from wifi to wired. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;628973 Wrote: > But I was using this NAS with the Sonos and there was never any > interruption; would it make sense that the NAS would just start doing > it now? It's possible. I don't know how the Sonos software works, but my impression is that Sonos has lighter demands on the system than SBS (which also corresponds with your Cessna/747 comparison). Then you need to compare those relative demands to the computing resources in the NAS, namely the CPU and RAM. What CPU does your NAS have, and how much RAM? Are there any diagnostics available to indicate % of CPU and RAM used by SBS, and especially if SBS is requiring any swapping to virtual memory? On a sufficiently powerful system then switching from Sonos to SBS shouldn't make a difference. But on a less powerful NAS the Sonos requirements could be just below what the NAS has and SBS just above what the NAS has, which would explain the hiccups you're seeing. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks. I uninstalled SBS from my PC, but I can always reinstall it; I saved the scan logs. But I was using this NAS with the Sonos and there was never any interruption; would it make sense that the NAS would just start doing it now? I've played only a few songs so far, but I'll try again soon. -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;628960 Wrote: > It's too bad the Touch doesn't communicate directly with my iPhone via > internal wireless or Bluetooth, but going through the wi-fi system is > OK; just still seems a little laggy (transport and volume controls) and > a few times, when I started a new song the sound would stop for a > second, then start up again smoothly with no further problems. (I > still need to figure that out.) It is quite possible that the lag is due to the NAS's limitations, rather than wifi issues. Now that you have the NAS running okay you could easily test that hypothesis by running SBS on your PC. You don't need to uninstall SBS from the NAS, just change the Touch to connect to the PC's instance of SBS instead of the NAS's. Then see if you get the same lags and interruptions when using the iPhone when it's your PC running SBS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Thanks again. I do intend to get iPeng, but didn't want to spend the money until I confirmed that I'm going to keep the Touch. It is a little strange going over from the Sonos to the Touch, because the Sonos interface is so simple and the options are so few. I feel like I just went from a Cessna to a 747. :) It's too bad the Touch doesn't communicate directly with my iPhone via internal wireless or Bluetooth, but going through the wi-fi system is OK; just still seems a little laggy (transport and volume controls) and a few times, when I started a new song the sound would stop for a second, then start up again smoothly with no further problems. (I still need to figure that out.) Again, I really appreciate the help. -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Glad to hear it's working well. With a low-powered NAS and a library of your size it's a good practice to just leave it alone when it's rescanning. So doing it overnight as you did was smart, and you probably want to continue doing that, especially for times when you do a complete clear-and-rescan (doing a scan for "new and changed only" shouldn't take so long). The other main drawback of using a low-powered NAS is the sluggish web ui, a problem that is easily avoided by using the Touch's interface directly, or a remote such as the iPhone. I think the Logitech iPhone app is pretty good, but if you haven't tried iPeng yet you may wish to give it a try. It costs $10, but it's a very slick piece of software. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Wow, aubuti; thanks so much for your time and clear answers! So I left the NAS on my router and uninstalled the SBS from the PC. I accessed SBS on the NAS and left it reindexing my music overnight. During this process my NAS was definitely busy with the reindexing (2,500 albums as it turns out). This morning everything seems to be running great and my music is showing up and playing on the Touch without lagginess. So far, so good! (I think the wi-fi issue had to do with my PC being busy indexing the NAS earlier.) If lagginess is a problem later I may run an ethernet cable out to the Touch. Thanks again! Also, I have a PS Audio Digital Link III upsampling DAC coming in the next few days, to see if I like the audio better from it. I'll post if I have more questions. Much appreciated! -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
Zonker92;628878 Wrote: > I'm a noob coming over from a Sonos (if I can make this work) with a ton > of questions: > > Should I have my Netgear NASDuo (SBS installed and cleaned and OS > updated) (1) hard-wired to my four-port wireless N router in Room A, > where my cable modem is; or (2) hard-wired to my Touch in Room B, where > my stereo is? I have it hard-wired to the router now, but it's laggy > streaming wireless to the Touch in Room B; it keeps buffering. Welcome Zonker92. The more common/normal setup is as you have it, with the server (NAS) wired to the router, and the Touch connecting to the router either via ethernet or wifi. If you are getting rebuffering then it sounds like your wireless network may have problems. We can troubleshoot that in round 2. Zonker92;628878 Wrote: > Was it a bad idea to install the SBS on both my PC and the NAS? Do they > share a common index with the Touch, or separate indexes of my music on > the NAS? Do I have to separately a scan of my 2,100 albums on each > device? Should I uninstall SBS from my PC and just use the one on the > NAS, so it's always "on"? *And for that matter, how do I access SBS on > my NAS from my PC? I only seem to be able to run the one on my PC.* Do > they all keep updating each other on the different devices? Yes, that is a bad idea. In most situations you only want SBS on one device. If you want something that's always on, then uninstall it from your PC. Although it's actually okay to have multiple devices running SBS, it will be simpler getting going if you have it only on the NAS, especially because a Squeezebox can only connect to one server at a time anyway. As long as your NAS is fast enough, run SBS from there and keep it off your PC. You can access SBS on your NAS from your pc by opening any web browser and pointing it to http://:9000 , where you substitute the real IP address of the NAS in place of Zonker92;628878 Wrote: > If I hardwire the NAS to the Touch in Room B, with the Touch connected > to the router wirelessly, the NAS no longer shows up on my network. > Does that mean that, unlike a Sonos, devices connected to the Touch are > not part of my network? Should I run an ethernet cable into Room B and > put a switch or router out there, with both the Touch and the NAS > connected to it, to ensure there are no legs or connection problems > with my NAS files? I'm not surprised that your NAS disappears from the network when you wire it directly to your Touch. But that does _not_ mean that devices connected to the Touch are part of your network. For example, you could put a simple USB hard drive on the Touch, and that USB drive would become available over the network because the Touch can run a Samba file server. Running ethernet to all devices will generally provide a more robust network than wireless will. You could do it as you suggest, with an ethernet cable to your listening room, with both your NAS and Touch connected to it via a switch. But I think a better approach is to leave the NAS in the room with the router, wired to the router. Then run an ethernet cable from the router to the listening room, and connect the Touch to that. No need to have the NAS and its whirring fan(s) in the listening room. Zonker92;628878 Wrote: > When I use the Logitech Squeezebox app on my iPhone, my iPhone does not > see the Squeezebox as a wireless access point. This is like the Sonos, > I guess, where the iPhone has to communicate with the Touch (or Sonos) > through my wireless network instead of directly? (If so, too bad.) > And why is the iPhone app's volume control so unresponsive, and > sometimes moves a little by itself? My Sonos app never did that. Is > that normal? You're correct that the iPhone app communicates with the Touch via SBS. I have only used the Logitech SB app a little bit, but haven't had any problems with lagginess of the volume response. That could be wifi problems, or it may be problems with the NAS struggling to keep up running SBS, especially if it is busy doing other things like heavy file copying. Zonker92;628878 Wrote: > Would it be better to just get a 1TB USB drive and connect it to the > Touch? If so, would the USB connection support 24/96 files going into > the Touch? That depends. Some people do fine using the Touch's built-in server (aka "TinySBS"), but for others it's an exercise in frustration. There are ways to improve your odds of it working for you. See jean2's excellent post here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070 Yes, that connection would support 24/96. Zonker92;628878 Wrote: > Also, the Touch has now prompted me several times my Squeezebox.com user > name and password. How come it's not saving it? (I'll do a search on > that.) > > Let's see ... what else ... I can't remember now, but I'm sure I have > more questions. Thanks for any help you can give me. if I can't get > this system working right I may return the Touch, but I REALLY want > this to wo
[SlimDevices: Touch] Help with NAS + Touch + iPhone
I'm a noob coming over from a Sonos (if I can make this work) with a ton of questions: Should I have my Netgear NASDuo (SBS installed and cleaned and OS updated) (1) hard-wired to my four-port wireless N router in Room A, where my cable modem i; or (2) hard-wired to my Touch in Room B, where my stereo is? I have it hard-wired to the router now, but it's laggy streaming wireless to the Touch in Room B; it keeps buffering. Was it a bad idea to install the SBS on both my PC and the NAS? Do they share a common index with the Touch, or separate indexes of my music on the NAS? Should I uninstall SBS from my PC and just use the one on the NAS,, so it's always "on"? And for that matter, how do I access the one on my NAS? I only seem to be able to run the one on my PC. If I hardwire the NAS to the Touch in Room B, with the Touch connected to the router wirelessly, the NAS no longer shows up on my network. Does that mean that, unlike a Sonos, devices connected to the Touch are not part of my network? Should I run an ethernet cable into Room B and put a switch or router out there, with both the Touch and the NAS connected to it, to ensure there are no legs or connection problems with my NAS files? -- Zonker92 Zonker92's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87448 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch