jonheal;144982 Wrote:
Hot model, alright, but the stupidest product name ever.
Actually... both seem to pull from the same source.
Mr. Sooloo. I'll be in the Transporter room...
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Yannzola;150549 Wrote:
Actually... both seem to pull from the same source.
Mr. Sooloo. I'll be in the Transporter room...
Bravo!!
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cliveb;149996 Wrote:
The client can still run on the server hardware - the critical issue
here is that the client keeps a connection open to the server, does
some clever caching, and avoids using something like HTML/XML/whatever
as the data transfer language (which requires parsing by a
Funny, but I also got a message from Mr. Darling -- same business about
their wonderful components, custom DBMS, etc. And, this gem:
Those who want to spend the time to use iTunes and computer based
solutions won't buy a 5-6k system any more than a 15k system. So we
make a top-shelf system that
To repeat a previous question by another... so what is with the name
Sooloos... how was it arrived at, what does it mean?
MC
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Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) Benchmark Dac1 Naim NAC 82 Naim NAP 250
Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black
Just took a look at the YouTube video of the Sooloos in action.
BlueBlast;149640 Wrote:
First: Its not just a standard PC with a nice UI. They did a fair
amount of their own custom hardware as well as database work.
They may have done some custom hardware, but that doesn't mean what the
cliveb;149845 Wrote:
They may have done some custom hardware, but that doesn't mean what the
system achieves can't be done with commodity H/W. As for database
work, presumably that means they designed a suitable schema (just like
the Slim Devices folks did). Nobody in their right mind
cliveb;149845 Wrote:
Just took a look at the YouTube video of the Sooloos in action.
They may have done some custom hardware, but that doesn't mean what the
system achieves can't be done with commodity H/W. As for database
work, presumably that means they designed a suitable schema (just
Phil Leigh;149949 Wrote:
Nice post Cliveb - I agree with pretty much everything apart from the
fact that there are ALWAYS people mad enough to write their own DBMS -
again. :0)
...also whilst HTTP is too sluggish, you wouldn't want the client to
get too fat - but you would want a fair bit
CardinalFang;149950 Wrote:
The truth is that most of what we want to do with a remote is pretty
fixed and a fairly small set of functionality. A slick, fast attractive
interface for music selection and playback could be achieved in Java or
Flash and make the experience much more consumer
Phil Leigh;149949 Wrote:
Nice post Cliveb - I agree with pretty much everything apart from the
fact that there are ALWAYS people mad enough to write their own DBMS -
again. :0)
Actually, I just got a PM from Rob Darling of Sooloos, and one of the
things he said in it was:
We do have our own
cliveb;149996 Wrote:
Not quite sure what he means by scale in a way that nothing else can.
This must be news to industry strength DBMS vendors like Oracle,
Sybase, etc, which routinely support databases with hundreds of
terabytes. Mind you, that needs more than $12k of hardware :-)
It may
totoro;149524 Wrote:
OK,it's true that some development time went into the software. But even
assuming some really large value for the hardware, say 7k, you're
looking at a 5k hit for the software.
This is pretty far beyond what people generally spend for software for
home. And I'm sorry,
tomjtx;149585 Wrote:
Maybe Amy and bmaudio should work for sooloos, they are very adept at
defending themh
You haven't already realized Amy does work for Sooloos? Look at her
posts here in the SD forums. There's 5 of them, all in this thread. All
magically
Bingo! (rats, that was too short for posting. Double-bingo.)
ezkcdude;149593 Wrote:
You haven't already realized Amy does work for Sooloos? Look at her
posts here in the SD forums. There's 5 of them, all in this thread. All
magically appearing only after a Sooloos thread was started...I'd
joncourage;145013 Wrote:
But Sean - you so need a hot model.
This one can click my remote any day...
https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi
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Amy Lynne;149501 Wrote:
Maybe Logitech will buy Sooloos and then you'd have your interface!
No need to buy Sooloos. Logitech already owns SD. Logitech (Harmony) is
already one of the top 4 or 5 AV Universal Remote Control (IR/RF Remote
Interface) makers in the world. I never used the Sooloos
tamanaco;145212 Wrote:
-Dream Begin-... Slim Devices should contract or partner with a
Universal remote control manufacturer like *Logitech* and build a
GUI/WiFI/IR remote control tailored for the Squeezebox. A remote with a
color LCD to view album art, lirics tracks, playlistÂ… etc with a
highdudgeon;149511 Wrote:
Being an audiophile does not mean that one has to belong to the overly
credulous and seriously over-spending crowd. Being an audiophile does
not automatically mean that you judge a product by its price tag. Case
in point: I've driven $5k amps with a $300 SB3 and
ezkcdude;149593 Wrote:
You haven't already realized Amy does work for Sooloos? Look at her
posts here in the SD forums. There's 5 of them, all in this thread. All
magically appearing only after a Sooloos thread was started...I'd bet my
bottom dollar, she's a paid troll.
I thought she was a
I spent a fair amount of time playing with the Sooloos at CEDIA and
talking with the developers.
First: Its not just a standard PC with a nice UI. They did a fair
amount of their own custom hardware as well as database work.
Second: Its blazingly fast. The response time is much much better
I sympathize with you guys. What a frustrating situation.
I got my TP a few days after I ordered it because my US dealer was
moving and gave me his.
Can't you cancel your orders and re-order direct from Slim?
It sounds like the UK dealers are being unresponsive so why give them
your money?
BlueBlast;149640 Wrote:
Third: It has some interesting features that I don't think are done
elsewhere, like simultaneously ripping to multiple lossless formats,
for example. The UI has a lot of depth to it as well.
Is it worth 12k? Maybe not to you or me, but to some it will be.
Also,
I saw and used the Sooloos at the Seattle store as well. Probably just
missed Amy. I spent a couple of hours with the fellow from Sooloos and
am going to visit them in New york.
The product is amazing. High quality UI, hardware, software and price.
They are not even thinking about the common
Hello,
I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the guy
who gave the demos at Magnolia.
We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site
someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe
there was little bit of ill will developing that I
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote:
Hello,
I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the guy
who gave the demos at Magnolia.
We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site
someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe
there was a little
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote:
But the Sonos forum seemed more interested in our model than the system
and things mostly ended there.
I think that is probably true of most readers here as well.
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snarlydwarf;149695 Wrote:
I think that is probably true of most readers here as well.
Hmmm - I'm guessing that runs out to less than $12k, including food,
wine etc :0)
Of course the delicious irony that will be lost on these folks is that
most people I know that could easily afford such a
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote:
We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site
someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe
there was a little bit of ill will developing that I should step in and
defray.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
So, how did you know we were
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote:
Hello,
I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the guy
who gave the demos at Magnolia.
We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site
someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe
there was a little
Good points. I just hate to see open fleecing. McIntosh is one example
of a product is is over-priced...but their amps are excellent and they
fit a certain aesthetic to a T. In that sense, they are worth every
penny.
opaqueice;149613 Wrote:
Well, I totally agree that $12,000 is a ridiculous
Am I the only one who thinks it is not cool to engage in blatant
marketing of competing products on this forum? Jeez, even the modders
are fairly low key and rely on word of mouth.
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote:
Hello,
I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the guy
who
Tamanaco-
Yes, that all sounds reasonable. There are all kinds of ways of
experiencing music. Maybe Logitech will buy Sooloos and then you'd
have your interface!
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I like your posts, generally, so please don't take this personally.
Here's the thing:
Being an audiophile does not mean that one has to belong to the overly
credulous and seriously over-spending crowd. Being an audiophile does
not automatically mean that you judge a product by its price tag.
OK,it's true that some development time went into the software. But even
assuming some really large value for the hardware, say 7k, you're
looking at a 5k hit for the software.
This is pretty far beyond what people generally spend for software for
home. And I'm sorry, but it wasn't as hard to
bmaudio;149196 Wrote:
if you've seen the speed at which it operates, i don't think you'd make
the same assumption. any programmer would tell you that its just not
that simple to access that much data and always have a response time
that looks/feels sub 20ms. (it feels damn near instantaneous
Amy Lynne;148774 Wrote:
You know, the only reason I posted here was because I saw a bunch of
people who'd obviously never seen something talking about something
they didn't know about- I always promis myself not to get into stuff
like this, but it's always tough for me to watch something
I must say, I also like the iTunes flip thingy. It may be gimmicky, but
it's the closest experience to flipping through my CD's that I've had
in several years. Even with SlimServer, one can go numb trying to
decide what to listen to on a given day. Flipping through the CD covers
brings a touch of
ezkcdude;149093 Wrote:
I must say, I also like the iTunes flip thingy. It may be gimmicky, but
it's the closest experience to flipping through my CD's that I've had
in several years. Even with SlimServer, one can go numb trying to
decide what to listen to on a given day. Flipping through the
I briefly saw the Sooloos stand at CEDIA but didn't really have the time
for a demo. However it did make me feel good that there's a growing
number of folks coming into this segment. Commercially, it validates us
in feeling that a growing number of people want their music 'on-demand'
in various
Listener;149085 Wrote:
I spent 3 months exploring lots of player software alternatives before
getting serious about ripping our 1800-2000 CDs. About 2/3 of our CD
collection is classical msic. For me, album covers don't matter for
most of our CDs. Being able to use an iTunes like
Phil Leigh;148819 Wrote:
Its just a funky UI plus a database! its not magic (as I'm sure you
know)
if you've seen the speed at which it operates, i don't think you'd make
the same assumption. any programmer would tell you that its just not
that simple to access that much data and always have
autopilot;148829 Wrote:
But it -IS- a PC! People are already doing this with thier PC's all over
the world. Can't you see? It's a PC (some form of Linux) with a fancy
frontend/skin for a media player. There is nothing innovative about
this. You could make a full screen skin for Winamp to do
bmaudio;149196 Wrote:
any programmer would tell you that its just not that simple to access
that much data and always have a response time that looks/feels sub
20ms. (it feels damn near instantaneous when you make contact w/ the
screen)
That much data? How much data? For 5000 albums we're
Amy Lynne;149198 Wrote:
Really, it's always amazing to me when guys think that they can talk
dis about things they know nothing about. Again Yeah, I could get
that girl, easy. Right.
Please lay off the personal attacks - it makes you look foolish. I can
assure you there are people on this
radish;149202 Wrote:
That much data? How much data? For 5000 albums we're talking what,
50-60k records?
actually, i was referring more to the graphical aspect of it, as making
cover browsing that fast is pretty difficult. but for the album data, it
can get much larger than that because there
I mean, really -- does anyone doubt for a second that this thing will
tank, and do so quickly? After a small handful of wealthy and
credulous customers who buy it more as a show piece than anything else?
It's just silly. The fact is, if you can't put together a world-class
audio system -- and
radish;149205 Wrote:
Please lay off the personal attacks - it makes you look foolish. I can
assure you there are people on this forum who know -exactly- what
they're talking about.
Sorry if I seemed a little personal. I was standing up for something
that can't defend itself.
Though, to be
bmaudio;149195 Wrote:
there is a cover mode, but there is also a 3 pane artist/album/song
mode. i should also point out that there are multiple skins (skin in
the video != skin in the marketing photos). along those lines, if
someone is a classical music buff, who says there can't be a skin
I find it amusing that audiophiles, of all people, are attacking a
product for being overpriced given its functionality. Please.
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Amy Lynne;149224 Wrote:
There's room in the world for all kinds.
This is exactly the way I see it. Some of these clients/remotes are
already there at different levels of functionality.
1) The current remote that ships with the SB3 and uses the SB3
character-based interface. (Already
I too would like a funkier more graphical front end UI...but at the
end of the day, it's only going to provide an experience based on the
availability of accurate and comprehensive metadata (eg tags or some
externally cross-referenced d/b).
Given the existence of (or access to) such metadata from
@joncourage
My view and I'm the owner of 3 SliMP3 and 2 SB and a showroom full of
Sonos - so take this as you will, and it's not meant to be a troll.
The Sonos remote is snappier and just slicker than a web interface
controlling Slim. Have you used a Sonos in anger?
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Amy Lynne;148719 Wrote:
but trust me, there is nothing, nothing I've ever seen that can do what
Sooloos does.
How about most peoples PC (minus the DAC)? It's just a custom
(crippled, as all it does is play music) Linux box with a touch screen,
good DAC and a fancy front end! I could build one
You know, the only reason I posted here was because I saw a bunch of
people who'd obviously never seen something talking about something
they didn't know about- I always promis myself not to get into stuff
like this, but it's always tough for me to watch something really good
get hit with sticks.
Just looking at the Sooloos website, didn't anyone notice the bit about
jitter?
super low-jitter design ( 1 nanosecond)
Is it me or is claiming less than 1000ps jitter so 1992 (or maybe
1986)? What's funny about this is that I think they are actually trying
to target a market that cares about
I also noticed something about $12k...?
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autopilot;148829 Wrote:
You can stick a sail on top of a car and tripple the price, but it's
still just a car!
gets my vote for best post ever!
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Amy Lynne;148774 Wrote:
You know, the only reason I posted here was because I saw a bunch of
people who'd obviously never seen something talking about something
they didn't know about- I always promis myself not to get into stuff
like this, but it's always tough for me to watch something
tyler_durden;146178 Wrote:
The ideal remote will have a display that shows the library tree
structure (or whatever the person has used) and then the song titles,
cover art, etc. so that one doesn't have to squint to see the text
display on the SB across the room.
In other words, the
Maybe this is what you are looking for? Might need some software changes
to integrate it with SlimDevices, but this remote looks interesting to
me.
http://www.mynevo.com/
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Pascal Hibon;146349 Wrote:
Maybe this is what you are looking for? Might need some software changes
to integrate it with SlimDevices, but this remote looks interesting to
me.
http://www.mynevo.com/
Only in case Sean agrees to deal with customizing roughly $800 remote
for $300 SB :)))
The ideal remote will have a display that shows the library tree
structure (or whatever the person has used) and then the song titles,
cover art, etc. so that one doesn't have to squint to see the text
display on the SB across the room.
In other words, the display on the SB becomes redundant,
seanadams;145740 Wrote:
Actually it is not that hard if the thing making the music is also the
thing doing the voice recognition, because you know what's noise vs
signal. Philips has a stereo system that will take voice commands even
when you have the music cranked so loud that you can't
i posted this after an event last thurs night @ the classic car club.
they know the guys who made it so they have one in there to get
everyone to ooh and ahh... as if the ford gt doesn't do that already
:P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7QqN0GvD4
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Probably way off... but just a thought for remote touchscreen devices...
Use the in-car 7 devices.
Small; compact; standard SVGA and can look quite sexy. Saw this on a
custom built PC - but ideas could be used to mod it into a nice little
NAS /SB3 type box. Or how about a SB4 / Transporter 2
This seems to be along somewhat similar lines
http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3522012081.html
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seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
I'm ready to order the new remote. ::)
BTW, in many non-audiophile reviews SB is considered to be very
interesting, but not excessively user friendly product. Right remote
may improve the perception, quite
It would make more sence to develop a remote with some cool custom
proprietory software, rather than a branded web tablet which just uses
the Nokia 770 skin or whatever. I hope thats what there planning.
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*Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living
A lot of these proposed super remotes and GUIs would be nice, but IMO
they are overkill. The way I use my squeezeboxes, I spend a few
seconds, or occasionally maybe a minute, finding what I want and then
I'm good for hours of playback.
If you have meaningful tags, you can just load up an
While you're about designing the new remote, how about a voice interface
so I can just tell it to play the Rolling Stones? The vocabulary of the
squeezebox is quite limited so it should be easy to make a voice
interface.
If I am playing music loudly and one of the songs contains lyrics like
tyler_durden;145734 Wrote:
While you're about designing the new remote, how about a voice interface
so I can just tell it to play the Rolling Stones? The vocabulary of the
squeezebox is quite limited so it should be easy to make a voice
interface.
TD
Voice activated solutions are always
CardinalFang;145737 Wrote:
Voice activated solutions are always going to be a problem in noisy
environments - trying to split out commands or band names from music
with vocals would be pretty tough for software I would imagine.
Actually it is not that hard if the thing making the music is
seanadams;145740 Wrote:
Actually it is not that hard if the thing making the music is also the
thing doing the voice recognition, because you know what's noise vs
signal. Philips has a stereo system that will take voice commands even
when you have the music cranked so loud that you can't
tamanaco;145212 Wrote:
-Dream Begin-... Slim Devices should contract or partner with a
Universal remote control manufacturer like Logitech and build a
GUI/WiFI/IR remote control tailored for the Squeezebox. A remote with a
color LCD to view album art, lirics tracks, playlistÂ… etc with a
seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
So when does it ship? :-)
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seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
I'd be happy with a Slim's standard remote if it just had learning
capabilities.
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Have a nice day!
http://www.theheals.org/
seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
It would be nice to have a SB or transporter with a color display
showing the album art. That has the drawback that it would make the SB
bigger, bulkier, and generally less sleek. So why not design the remote
so
seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
And thus the proverbial cat is out of the bag ;)
Back to the Sooloos, how can the justify $12,000 for a custom Linux
box, even it it does have a top end DAC and touch screen?
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seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
Oh Boy!
I'll buy it yesterday.make it work for
theTransporter too...
Please?
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autopilot;145427 Wrote:
And thus the proverbial cat is out of the bag ;)
Back to the Sooloos, how can anyone justify $12,000 for a custom Linux
box, even it it does have a top end DAC and touch screen?
You forgot the hot model. :)
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tamanaco;145212 Wrote:
I just want ONE remote. An over simplified example of such hybrid is
the Logitech remote for the Xbox 360 which was made with extra buttons
to control the Xbox
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/pr...ONTENTID=11250
That is a very nice remote actually. If it could
eq72521;145455 Wrote:
You forgot the hot model. :)
Who cares! I wan't a hot girlfriend or wife - said the eternal
bachelor ;)
Actually it is a bit suspicious that that need a hot model to sell
their stuff...
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autopilot;145427 Wrote:
Back to the Sooloos
Do you think this is pronounced like So Loose? Anything else seems to
conjure up multiple toilets, perhaps owned by a Chinese guy.
MC
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Now what?
Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) Benchmark Dac1 Naim NAC 82 Naim NAP 250
Shahinian Arcs.
tamanaco;145212 Wrote:
I agree with what cardinalfang says. The Squeezebox remote control
should make the navigation through my music library a pleasant
experience. A web interface is fine for changing the Slimserver
settings, configuring the Plug-ins, troubleshooting/debugging and all
that
dSw;145491 Wrote:
That's a very good point. You don't really want to be wading through
endless options when you're lying on the couch after a few glasses of
wine, and indeed this will put people off. Make something easy to use
and people will *want* to use it.
From what I've seen of the
seanadams;145337 Wrote:
You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
As long as it is an option and it isn't too expensive.
The problem with Sonos, as I see it, is that one remote control all the
units in the house. That would be ok for me, because I am a bachelor; so
I only need
Yannzola;144799 Wrote:
Agreed on both counts.
Hot model, alright, but the stupidest product name ever.
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Now imagine rather than a dirty great remote screen a small little
colour jobby like the ones on an ipod video... just sufficient to show
a couple of thumbnails of your album cover. That would be more
appropriate - and save a lot of time.
You could then colour code your music collection -
I just don't understand the whole Sonos remote-envy thing.
With Slim, a palm PC, tablet PC, or just a small laptop are imo
superior to the limited abilities of any remote. I mean, you get the
whole enchilada web interface with all the capabilities of the Slim
software. What's the big deal
But Sean - you so need a hot model.
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That's what I call a hot little box!
TD
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joncourage;145008 Wrote:
let PC, or just a small laptop are imo superior to the limited abilities
of any remote. I mean, you get the whole enchilada web interface with
all the capabilities of the Slim software. What's the big deal about
the Sonos remote, compared to that?
For me it's
Makes sense, I can understand then why I didn't understand the need -
none of those things really matters much to me.
I'm pretty impressed with the speed of the new version (6.5); a big
improvement over 6.3 in my system. I'm also running Slimserver on a
dedicated PC with the server and scanner
Slick interface, but, uh, $12,000 USD for the base system! Wonder if
that includes the subscription service? I bet Slim could (WILL)
eventually offer a Slim Controller to rival the Sonos or Sooloos
designs, for the rest of us.
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squeezebox2 (with elpac linear psu) benchmark
Looks to me like a triumph of marketing over substance (pretty normal
huh?), unlike SD which unusually for these times seems to be the
reverse. Glad to see the boxes have no useless buttons and knobs on
them.
I can't belive that anyone would want a ruddy great touch screen on
their dinner table.
ModelCitizen;144738 Wrote:
Glad to see the boxes have no useless buttons and knobs on them...
(pretty model though.. lovely cleavage).
MC
Agreed on both counts.
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Yannzola;144799 Wrote:
Agreed on both counts.
Heh... which two counts was that? :)
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