Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Robert Munn
It isn't illegal aliens, or video games, or guns laws. You know what causes this kind of stuff? Our culture of permissiveness. You think this kid would have pulled this crap in South Korea? No way. The minute someone read his f!ed up stories he would have been whacked around with a stick by people

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Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
tBone wrote: How are you a libertarian agin? I'm not libertarian on all issues, and if you're referring to gun control, then let's talk through the philosophy: (1.) Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If this is true then I should be able to buy any weapon in manufacture: Stinger

Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: We spend all our time praising the individual, enabling the individual, yet we never stop to tell the individual that they have a set of responsibilities tosociety- that they owe society a duty, and if they shirk that duty, they deserve to be punished You can't have a culture

Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
What is even sadder is that if VT had not been a gun free zone, the death toll probably would have been much lower. The cops responded well, not heroicly, and didn't have to save anyone (ask the Supreme Court about that one). If we can't rely on the cops to put thier lives on the line for us,

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
I believe it was intended to allow for private citizens to have the capability to overthrow the government, I think we need an amendment that would make it illegal for anyone to own nuclear chemical or biological weapons, and I think that we should be able to own anything short of that.

Re: Anyone been to Hawaii recently?

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
Didn't one of those helicopters go down in the Pacific just a few months ago? On 4/17/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shocking! But it is expensive there, especially if driving around is on the agenda. It's worth it to me though. We're planning my wife's Hawaii 3-0 party there next

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Which can't work on a large campus. Take the University of Kentucky. 30k Students, nearly 30k faculty and staff. Add in a medical complex in which some of the teaching buildings connect to the same areas as patient care and try to control access. Add in sports stadiums in and around campus and

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
What new law would have prevented this? A gun control law made the whole situation worse, IMO. Had at least one professor or student in the area been trained on handgun use and had a concealed carry permit with a firearm this would have been a different story. The first two victims would

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
I'm in favor of conceal and carry, but I don't think it would have been any different if somebody else had a gun. I wouldn't mind professors to be able to carry, however I think students is out of the question. -Original Message- From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
Some regulation is needed. I agree with some regulation. I draw the line at registration of all firearms. However, all firearms should be available for purchase. Note I say firearms, not weapons systems. I want a Galil sniper rifle. It is a sexy beast that would be nice ti fire on a long

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Tony
cant we all just puff, be peaceful, and eradicate fucknuts like this? :) la la la la la off into the forest i go... la lal alalalalal On 4/18/07, Russel Madere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some regulation is needed. I agree with some regulation. I draw the line at registration of all

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Virginia does, it's the only reason that you need a permit to carry. Other wise you can walk into a store and be out in 20 minutes with a Glock. No training, no safety education, only a cursory background check. Tech is a no carry campus, it needs to stay that way. Like everyone that assumes

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
I just don't buy that. People had been reaching out to this kid for years it sounds like, and he just wasn't going to allow himself to be helped. I don't see how a gun safety course would have mattered one iota. If we truly relish our freedoms, then we have to accept the fact that some people

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Yes, but even a vested citizen can't carry a gun into a high school, or well, any private place that the owner doesn't want you to do so. I see how conceal and carry can help prevent normal crimes, but I don't see how it could have done anything in this event. We are talking crazy nut job actions

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
You're right the root cause is that no one caught this psychopath, before he did this. There are steps people could've taken to have him evaluated and treated or committed. But having to take that safety course may have given him time to think about it... either way Virginia gun laws are

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
They took those steps, they all said there was nothing they could do. He didn't make direct threats, he was writing stories. Much darker stores are made into movies all the time and we don't commit the writers. -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
What is even sadder is that if VT had not been a gun free zone, the death toll probably would have been much lower. The cops responded well, not heroicly, and didn't have to save anyone (ask the Supreme Court about that one). If we can't rely on the cops to put thier lives on the line

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
All the doctors on campus had to do was recommend him for treatment, when he refused they could've had him committed. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original Message- From: Nick

RE: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
His roommates said he basically downloaded music all day, all different types. They never said anybody about him being a gamer. -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:20 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole

Re: Imus On Nappy Headed Hoes

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
My point stands. You accused Sharpton and Jackson of promoting a double standard. I pointed out that they are acting against that sort of language and behavior in the rap music industry. They've had community meetings with the recording industry, musicians and listers about the topic. They've

RE: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Thanks Larry, I've been having this argument with people on other boards since yesterday. I think the only thing that might have stopped him in process, is a properly executed triangle choke takedown.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va.

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Treatment for what? Being a dark individual? Give him happy pills and that will make it ok. Some people have a dark imagination, you go around committing people for that then what? Where does it end? -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday,

RE: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:09 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting) You can't have a culture of violence, and we do, and think that doesn't have an effect. Sure, the bulk

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Oh, I dunno uhh... depression, bi-polar disorder, schitsophrenia(sp?). He wasn't some little goth kid wandering darkly through the halls of VaTech. He was setting off panic alarms in his teachers, and being disturbingly disruptive in his classes, he should've been evaluated and committed.

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Put your damn pocket protectors away. I've never seen BG. I was just being a smart ass poking fun. Hendrix released All Along the Watchtower on Electric Ladyland in 1968. The Moon Landing was July 20, 1969. So what level Dungeon Master are you? Ian Skinner wrote: I had made the same

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
I agree. I saw an interview with a professor yesterday who said that Cho Seong-Hui was the most disturbed student that she had ever had in her 20+ years of teaching. She recognized it, and alerted the university. When told that his writings amounted to free speech and that couldn't take any

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly enacted and enforced laws? Making universities gun free zones were what made this tragedy such a tragedy. What would have happened if a single professor or student who had been killed was able to draw down on this guy? He

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah because we need more access to violently respond to people who cut us off on the freeway, look at us wrong walking down the Mall, or after a night of drinking. Your right. I like the idea. Population control via armed citizens. I don't agree. If 30 students pulled guns and fired at the

Re: Imus On Nappy Headed Hoes

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
Well, if we apply the same standard, Jackson and Sharpton should have hosted community meetings concerning Imus' comments. Instead, I heard fiery public calls for his canning. I heard patent refusals to accept any apology. Maybe that's where some perceive a double standard On 4/18/07, Larry

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
So you've diagnosed him from two days of sensationalist media coverage? Wow, not bad. That is basically the same the assumption of guilt that went around the wild west. Everybody is entitled to a trial before the hangin'. Nobody ever said it would be a fair trial, but hey, at least you got the

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
Dungeon masters don't have levels. Dork. (That ad cracks me up) On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put your damn pocket protectors away. I've never seen BG. I was just being a smart ass poking fun. Hendrix released All Along the Watchtower on Electric Ladyland in

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Tony
i dont think so nick. he didnt give ANYONE a fair trial and took the law into his own hands. fuck him On 4/18/07, Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you've diagnosed him from two days of sensationalist media coverage? Wow, not bad. That is basically the same the assumption of guilt

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Rick Root
Hendrix released All Along the Watchtower on Electric Ladyland in 1968. The Moon Landing was July 20, 1969. The release date of an album doesn't necessarily coincide with the date you associate the popularity of a song with. Woodstock took place in 1969. Curiously enough, according to

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
No, Russ, poorly enacted and enforced laws made this worse. If Virginia had even mandatory safety courses it would have given this young man pause, and he may not have done it... Just to nip this in the bud, the answer is not to start repealing gun laws. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
I'm talking about Scott what he is suggesting, he claimed he should have been evaluated and committed. -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:08 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre Gun Control i dont think so nick. he

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Loathe
Last I check you became a vested citizen of this nation at 18 years old. -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:34 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre Gun Control I'm in favor of conceal and carry, but I don't think it

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
For what it's worth, XTC did the best All Along the Watchtower _ever_, on White Music. On 4/18/07, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrix released All Along the Watchtower on Electric Ladyland in 1968. The Moon Landing was July 20, 1969. The release date of an album doesn't

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly enacted and enforced laws? Virginia needs mandatory waiting periods, safety courses, you can practically walk into a 7-11 and buy a Glock with your Slurpee. The Virginia State Police need to have their hands untied so they

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If someone is bent on death and destruction if they do not provide a warning ( I am going to ) you cannot stop them in an even moderately free society. He could have just as easily driven his car into a crowd, a parade, carnival etc.. or poisoned the Salad Bar at the local eatery. You

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Uhmm... no, I'm simply listening to the clinical experts that the media is bringing in. If I was a teacher, with the reports of this kids behavior in classes, I would've recommended that he be evaluated. The chief of VaTech police is in the middle of a press conference, he's describing the perps

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
I'm scared of Lightening too, nothing wrong that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know what was going through her mind, my INTERNAL reaction was wtf? But we talked about it and she seems to be scared to death of lightening. I don't

Re: Anyone been to Hawaii recently?

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
gMoney wrote: Didn't one of those helicopters go down in the Pacific just a few months ago? I dunno, but I flew Blue Hawaiian which has the ECO-stars. I felt totally safe, and liked their line maintenance practices which I know something about. Not only did they do all the right things but

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread G Money
On 4/18/07, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He should've been tossed out of the school -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com You know what that would have changed? The headlines

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Ian Skinner
Criminals should know that if they point a gun at someone, there'll be 20 guns points back at them. One comment I would like to make concerning this concept. How many times in a given persons life are they likely to face an armed criminal. Contrast this with how many times in a persons life

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Teachers should be able to carry. We let pilots now. You've got to be kidding. I went to Virginia Tech, I would not trust many of the professors being within a mile of a handgun. Especially not my former dissertation adviser. Moreover if the students and faculty had been armed, the

Re: Imus On Nappy Headed Hoes

2007-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
gMoney wrote: Well, if we apply the same standard, Jackson and Sharpton should have hosted community meetings concerning Imus' comments. Instead, I heard fiery public calls for his canning. I heard patent refusals to accept any apology. Exactly, it's about equal treatment of equal intensity.

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I didn't even have to look at the author and I knew who wrote this. I love XTC but I can't say I remember them covering all Along the Watchtower. Ok Jerry, No resources. What was XTC's alter ego band. For what it's worth, XTC did the best All Along the Watchtower _ever_, on White Music.

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
OK, and what is tieing the hands of the State Police? The stupid laws that were enacted by the state legislative bodies. Those need to be repealed. practically walk into a 7-11 and buy a Glock with your Slurpee. The Virginia State Police need to have their hands untied so they can enforce the

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
The experts who had no interaction with the kid, and are basing this on what people are telling them after he killed a bunch of people. If he did these things why didn't they show up on a background check? If he broke a law shouldn't they have done something then? A Dark imagination isn't

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was watching the US vs. Lennon recently and was appalled by a quote from G. Gordon Liddy. In reference to the Kent State shooting in the spring of 1970. Paraphrasing he said something along the lines of The National Guard were 19 year old kids in a volatile situation. What did you expect.

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
I want a Galil sniper rifle. It is a sexy beast that would be nice ti fire on a long rifle range. I also miss my Colt .45. It can't be resored, so I am having it melted down. I might buy a new one, more likely I'll get a Glock now. Russell, the Galil isn't a sniper rifle; it's a

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
The only way to keep a nut job like this is to control access in and out of the campus, like a military reservation. That was simply not possible for a place like Virginia Tech. Not including the aggie fields etc., the campus extends throughout the north western part of Blacksburg. To give

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
If by repealed you mean fixed I agree. Virginia needs mandatory waiting periods, safety courses, trigger lock requirements, stiffer penalties for using a gun in the commission of a crime. I'd be the first one to try to disarm/subdue/kill him, because I've had seven years of martial arts and

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
Nope, no clue. I know about Heaven 17 and BEF, but nothing on XTC On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't even have to look at the author and I knew who wrote this. I love XTC but I can't say I remember them covering all Along the Watchtower. Ok Jerry, No resources.

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
...I'm certain students on campus with guns isn't the answer. Maybe if the professors were armed, it would be different. I guarantee you that my 12 year-old is a safer and more accurate self-defense shot with an automatic pistol than *any* professor on that campus. Why do you assume that age

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Then he would have just driven to Kentucky, or to a gun show, or anywhere else. What if they guy had two guns drawn and had already killed 5 people before you realized what was going on, and bullets were flying past you while your classmates are diving for the ground and throwing desks up to

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
just now listening to it on Rhapsody..interesting take. On 4/18/07, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, no clue. I know about Heaven 17 and BEF, but nothing on XTC On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't even have to look at the author and I knew who

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread William Bowen
For what it's worth, XTC did the best All Along the Watchtower _ever_, on White Music. +1 -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Macromedia

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Yes, the qualifier there is that it is your 12 year-old. I personally don't think conceal and carry can stop a nut-job on a rampage. -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:46 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: VA Massacre

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you like XTC then check out Dukes of the Stratosphere. I believe there was an album called 25 O'Clock and at least one single Vanishing Girl. Dukes of the Stratosphere was the members of XTC plus one other guy. Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: just now listening to it on

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
-1 now that I've listened to it. :) On 4/18/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, XTC did the best All Along the Watchtower _ever_, on White Music. +1 -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
I can live with these laws. I also want mandatory training and concealed carry certification for all handgun purchasers. I don't care if they use it, but they have it. If by repealed you mean fixed I agree. Virginia needs mandatory waiting periods, safety courses, trigger lock

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
We can speculate all day about what if's. Without being there to assess the situation I can't give a definitive answer. But based on past experience, I've have knives pulled on me, one guy left in an ambulance, with a dislocated shoulder and a broken collar bone, the other one was unconscious on

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
really, the only song that I know I care for from xtc is Dear God. On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you like XTC then check out Dukes of the Stratosphere. I believe there was an album called 25 O'Clock and at least one single Vanishing Girl. Dukes of the Stratosphere

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is that a net of zero Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: -1 now that I've listened to it. :) On 4/18/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, XTC did the best All Along the Watchtower _ever_, on White Music. +1 -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
I truly did not expect even _one_ person to agree that anything XTC ever did was better than even sound checks by Jimi. I don't even think _I_ agree! =) But I do love the entire White Music album. On 4/18/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1 now that I've listened to it. :) On

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And how would that have helped you against a gunman 20 feet away? Scott Stewart wrote: We can speculate all day about what if's. Without being there to assess the situation I can't give a definitive answer. But based on past experience, I've have knives pulled on me, one guy left in an

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
E.g., Ban the sale of all handguns and ammunition for them in their current form. Create a new class of legal handguns and ammunition, 12 mm, that would have 3 shot clips, biometric trigger controls, etc. Something that would limit the killing power of the weapon in the case of VT. At the

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
That's true... I was also taught when it was prudent to run like hell, and not to run in a straight line I'll never carry a gun, I don't feel I have a need for it, If the other guy is 20 feet away then it's over... -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct.

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
Remember in 1970 the National Guard was not trained. they may have gone to basic training and advanced training, but the unit did minimal training. My cousin who was in the same unit as I was, just 25 years earlier, said he saw his rifle once a year when he qualified. Everyone was

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread William Bowen
I truly did not expect even _one_ person to agree that anything XTC ever did was better than even sound checks by Jimi. I don't even think _I_ agree! XTC does not suffer from overplay, oversaturation, overimitation and quite frankly overglorification. On the rare occasion that XTC makes it

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
Yes, the qualifier there is that it is your 12 year-old. Do you mean that he is qualified because he is *my* 12 year-old that I have trained? I personally don't think conceal and carry can stop a nut-job on a rampage. Wanna bet? What do you think a well-trained licensed person carrying an

Re: What the Frak!

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I so dig XTC (majors and generals, mayor of simpleton, helicoptor) but I can't say I really care for their cover of All Along the WatchTower. Check out the Dukes of the Stratosphere, Vanishing Girl on Rhapsody. ~| ColdFusion

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Not quite, campus counselors (usually clinical psych PhD students) don't have that authority. Moreover, getting someone committed, even if they can show the person is a direct threat to themselves and others is very difficult, it can take up to 10 days. And given the court system in that part

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
A well trained person would probably react in a proper and reasonable way to make sure everybody around knew what was going and helped them take cover, alerted authorities, and walked out into the hall into the hail of gunfire. I know plenty of people with conceal and carry permits, and they

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
I'd be the first one to try to disarm/subdue/kill him, because I've had seven years of martial arts and self defense training. I have no problem attempting to disarm someone who's carrying a concealed handgun, simply because the in the time that it would take the carrier to remove and use

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
What the hell is the current gun control legislation other than poorly enacted and enforced laws? Making universities gun free zones were what made this tragedy such a tragedy. What would have happened if a single professor or student who had been killed was able to draw down on this

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Well trained is the operative word, what many gun advocates are saying in the wake of this is, that all gun laws should be repealed. Does training also teach the discipline to know when is the proper time to draw your weapon and when not to? I have no problem with well trained, reasonable, sane

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
In the case of unknown nut jobs where you don't know the extent of what is going on, walking blind into a halway to investigate gun file might just get you killed If I walk blindly into a hallway to investigate gun fire, then I hope that I would at least have my testicles shot off so that I

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
The girls that he harassed, declined to press charges, that tells me that they were terrified of him. The same with the teacher... -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 7241 Jillspring Ct. Springfield, Va. 22152 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com -Original

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
Does training also teach the discipline to know when is the proper time to draw your weapon and when not to? Yes-- Jesus Christ, have you *ever* been to a firearms self defense training course? Have you ever even read the table of contents of a curriculum? I have no problem with well

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Settle down Opie. It's all fun and games until someone gets their sack shot off. If walking out into a hail of gunfire is the worse thing you do I think most of use would still be ok with you procreating. If I walk blindly into a hallway to investigate gun fire, then I hope that I would at

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
1) I'm trained in Taekwondo (WTF, full contact not ITF or ATA), Muay Thai and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, all full contact arts. I'm 42 and I still train. 2) Do you really think that I'll walk into a door and yell I'm going to kick Adam Churvis' ass from 20 ft out? 3) In close quarters situation, an

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
But essentially you would be, unless you waited for him to come to you. If somebody is just aiming and shooting, your reaction time isn't going to be the same, you will have to identify the threat, and fire and hit before he does. Also the reports I've read said this guy had on a bullet proof

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
So what about his other hand with the other gun? Just saying ;) -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:47 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: VA Massacre Gun Control 1) I'm trained in Taekwondo (WTF, full contact not ITF

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Nick McClure
Now you are asking for subjective analysis to determine who can and cannot own a gun. There is no law about carrying a gun on a holster, people have done it here, and will continue to do so, people don't come up to them for a gun fight, and they don't go around shooting people for no reason.

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread William Bowen
I think we'd all benefit from a general holstering of guns in this thread. Getting knee deep, all the pissing going on in this match. :-D -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher

Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
-Original Message- There has never been a well-performed study which has shown a causal effect between violent media and violent acts. How many randomized control studies do you want that shows a relationship between aggressive behavior and violent media? I do not think you could

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Does training also teach the discipline to know when is the proper time to draw your weapon and when not to? Yes-- Jesus Christ, have you *ever* been to a firearms self defense training course? Have you ever even read the table of contents of a curriculum? No I haven't which is why I asked

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
Why do you guys *always* assume that you're faster? You're not. Why is it automatically you winning when we are close enough for you to join the dance? Again, have you ever actually *seen* what a trained person can do with a firearm in self defense, or are you just imagining things again?

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Yeah that works, drunken college kids with guns. You're gonna work security in that situation aren't ya, Russ. When we were living in the Sturbridge Square apartments in Blacksburg, our neighbour had his bedroom window shot out by a drunk engineering student. If there were a lot more guns

Re: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Adam Churvis
What we were trained to do for protected assailants is to put one in the groin, then one or two in the exposed part of the head after he drops, depending on the situation. And as far as going into the hallway is concerned, you don't. You stay near a corner with your weapon in a lowered Weaver

funny vids here

2007-04-18 Thread Paul Ihrig
i will start it off with 3 most have inappropriate language. enjoy.. The Landlord Will Ferrell gets a visit from his landlord. http://sjl.funnyordie.com//v1/landing.php boom head shot - purepwnage .com http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382766522092008539 David Blaine Street Magic:

RE: VA Massacre Gun Control

2007-04-18 Thread Scott Stewart
Why do you guys *always* assume that you're faster? You're not. 'Cause we don't have to draw aim and fire, and we don't telegraph our intentions. I don't wear my black belt everywhere I go. I've seen plenty of police officers, and military personnel. I also have been to a firing range with

RE: funny vids here

2007-04-18 Thread Ray Champagne
Will Ferrell - hilarious. That head shot dude - scary as hell. Was that the VT shooter? LOL. -Original Message- From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: funny vids here i will start it off with 3 most have

Liberalism == God?

2007-04-18 Thread Russel Madere
http://louisianaconservative.com/?p=100 An interesting look at liberalism and what I see often in this forum. === WWRD? What Would Reagan Do? I often write Liberal Sermons because the Democrat party seems to me more of a religion than a political party. A party where people will change their

writing your own job description

2007-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
Any advice? Some things have been resolved over here and my temp to hire position is going hire. I've been asked to define what I do so that I can be interviewed for it ;) ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the

Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting)

2007-04-18 Thread Jim Davis
Original Message Subject: Re: Jack Thompsom is an Asshole (VT Shooting) From: Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- There has never been a well-performed study which has shown a causal effect between violent media and violent acts. How many

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