Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Jim Woodgate
Chris Winters writes: Along with the open-source Servlet/JSP/Web Engine servers (among others): Apache Tomcat: http://jakarta.apache.org/ Jetty: http://jetty.mortbay.com/ I'm currently using the Tomcat at work, and I have to say that although I really love perl and mod_perl,

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote: With a system like Tomcat running in a jvm outside of apache, you only have one jvm, and you get things like being able to share a cache between all sessions alot easier. [snip] That being said, I wonder how difficult it would be pull the perl

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 02:18 AM 12/6/2000 -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote: With a system like Tomcat running in a jvm outside of apache, you only have one jvm, and you get things like being able to share a cache between all sessions alot easier. [snip] That being said, I

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, (Matthew Kennedy) wrote: Transaction support for your business logic is easy in J2EE. It's not clear how you do this in Perl? Use an RDBMS. You don't understand that it can have nothing to do with a RDBMS. I'm not talking about transaction control within the

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and just get to work, that will rule. You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written components. I don't believe shipping all those components in

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: Transaction support for your business logic is easy in J2EE. It's not clear how you do this in Perl? Use an RDBMS. what about transactions that

Debugging Apache::ASP

2000-12-06 Thread Differentiated Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd.,
Hi, We've been using Apache::ASP over the past one month. We are having problems debugging an ASP program. We have set the debug level to 3 but still. At debug level 3, the line in which the error occurs is displayed. But if we have multiple statements withing % and % tags then, the error

Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

2000-12-06 Thread David Hodgkinson
"Gerald Richter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) Is there anyone who'd like to volunteer virtual space to host this? e.g. ftp, web, creating a mailing list, etc. I can do this, but I guess it also wouldn't be a problem to host this on perl.apache.org This is, IMHO, a mod_perl advocacy

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: [coldfusion/php] how is mason not like this? It has no point-n-drool authoring tools. This is actually the killer app. Once this is done, Mason / other templating system of choice gets catapulted to the forefront MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick

RE: crash on connect (DBI/mysql) (2)

2000-12-06 Thread Kraaij, Wessel
Bas, thanks for your comments. They are a first step to solve the problem. [DBI script problem skipped] The error_log from Apache shows some problems, which *could* be related to mod_perl [Tue Dec 5 09:42:31 2000] [crit] (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bi nd to

Re: Debugging Apache::ASP

2000-12-06 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Differentiated Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd., wrote: We are having problems debugging an ASP program. [snip] How do others tackle this ?? % do_something(); % % print STDERR $omething; % % do_something_else(); % % print STDERR $omething_else; % How do people

Apache::ASP problem with post data

2000-12-06 Thread Luc Willems
hello , i'm working on a project that involves some XML-RPC system. The idea is to POST a XML to a ASP script which will than process this and return a XML back to the client. To do that a send sommething like this (output from ethereal dump) : POST /cp-bin/rc2.asp HTTP/1.0 Host:

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-06 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, kyle dawkins wrote: [1. two types of developer] agreed. [2. Perl4 / Perl5 ] This is also true. Although a lot of "Perl programmers" haven't got a clue about the object orientation stuff in Perl5 either. On the other side of the coin, too many people are jumping on the "It's

RE: crash on connect (DBI/mysql) (2)

2000-12-06 Thread Stas Bekman
The server restarts clean now: good Second, you should make your code more debug friendly. Replace: $dbh = DBI-connect('dbi:mysql:vip;host=', '###', '###'); with $dbh = DBI-connect('dbi:mysql:vip;host=', '###', '###') or die $DBI::errstr; what error do you get? I

Re: Debugging Apache::ASP

2000-12-06 Thread Stas Bekman
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Differentiated Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd., wrote: Hi, We've been using Apache::ASP over the past one month. We are having problems debugging an ASP program. We have set the debug level to 3 but still. At debug level 3, the line in which the error occurs is

Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

2000-12-06 Thread Stas Bekman
On 6 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: "Gerald Richter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) Is there anyone who'd like to volunteer virtual space to host this? e.g. ftp, web, creating a mailing list, etc. I can do this, but I guess it also wouldn't be a problem to host this on

J2EE and distributed commits (was Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread Tim Sweetman
I'll bite, 'cuz I think I've run several times recently into this sort of issue. I've not done anything with J2EE, so there's a risk that I've misunderstood _that_. Now, from the top: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: With J2EE you get the complete illusion that you are doing txns

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Greg Cope
Stas Bekman wrote: Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me, I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book, have some rest and make a push to mod_perl. Well best of luck hope you have a good rest - I'll certainly buy the book! In

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread David Hodgkinson
Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and just get to work, that will rule. You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written components. I

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matt Sergeant
On 6 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote: Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and just get to work, that will rule. You can't, but thats because I believe in the

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-06 Thread Tim Sweetman
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, kyle dawkins wrote: * We implement a "mode" under mod_perl, kind of like "use strict", that suddenly forces Perl to behave well from an object-oriented standpoint. By this, I mean taking some of the power away from Perl that causes

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Stas Bekman
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book, have some rest and make a push to mod_perl. Well best of luck hope you have a good rest - I'll certainly buy the book! :) I see two main streams: 1) Online zines. 2) Conferences. I think that we

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread barries
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:08:59PM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: We could do that with AxKit - just ship it with Apache, mod_perl, the whole lot. But I don't think that would appeal to Perl people somehow. Thoughts? We're not (really) talking about appealing to "Perl people" here, I think, but

Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

2000-12-06 Thread barries
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:33:29AM -0500, Ed Park wrote: I've been using mod_perl for two years, and I'm currently particularly interested in: 1) Definitively establishing mod_perl as a credible player in the enterprise space. 2) Discussing enterprise-level architecture considerations,

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread David Hodgkinson
barries [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you could release a source distro of same with a big, red "make" button on it that would allow folks on FreeBSD, debian, wherever to take a stab at it too, that would be icing on the cake. Me too ;-) I mean, what would the damage of a full-on,

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread David Hodgkinson
Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, but I don't seem to make other interested. I don't know why. Folks are too busy I guess. It's blogger syndrome. You need to do it in parallel with the development. The only reason my mod_perl/FastCGI comparison got written was because those nice

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Robin Berjon
At 16:39 05/12/2000 -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote: Someone else brought this up with me off the list. Briefly, I said that this doesn't usually happen with web sites for performance reasons and that major RDBMS vendors offer things like two-phase commit. But no, there is no perl transaction

Digest List doesn't show subjects!!!!

2000-12-06 Thread Kees Vonk 7249 24549
Can someone please confirm if this issue is being looked at. The modperl digest list is often very helpful and I would like to keep using it. For at a few weeks now the digest list has been looking like this (no topics are listed): modperl Digest 21 Nov 2000 23:42:00 - Issue 256

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Jim Woodgate
Dave Rolsky writes: The problem with them compared to mod_perl is that you don't have access to the server internals so you can really only affect the content handling phase. Is this the case with Tomcat as well? I know that you can communicate with the server in the request, it's not

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Stephen A. Cochran
I've been following along with this thread with interest, expecially since I'm new to the mod_perl list and community (thanks for all the help so far!). I thought you might be interesed in a 'mod_perl newbie' opinion. Recently I was handed an online event calendar running under CGI and asked to

HTML::Template - cant use shared cache with global_vars?

2000-12-06 Thread Michael J Schout
Hi. I'm using HTML::Template v2.0, IPC::SharedCache 1.3, IPC::ShareLite 0.08, Storable 1.0.6. I've discovered that if I turn on the "global_vars" option in HTML::Template, then Storable cant serialize the template so that it can be placed in the cache. e.g.: my $tmpl =

Re: Apache 1.3.14 build

2000-12-06 Thread Vivek Khera
"WP" == Wang, Pin-Chieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WP I am trying to build apache v.1.3.14 with Mod_perl v. 1.24 using APACI WP I am using Perl 5.6 build 620 - the latest Try using the latest mod_perl as well. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-06 Thread Buddy Lee Haystack
I've always considered mod_perl similar to an artist's canvas, while Java is more like a craftsman's tool kit. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: With J2EE you get the complete illusion that you are doing txns across as many data sources on as many systems and vendors as you want, but behind the illusion there is the nonzero risk that the data is

www.modperl.com

2000-12-06 Thread Lincoln Stein
I regret to say that www.modperl.com is down again. This time it is because someone broke into my house and stole some computer equipment, including the DSL router. Fortunately the modperl web server itself was untouched because it was hidden in the eves. I will make an announcement when the

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Has anyone written a Perl IDE in Perl? i goofed around with a class browser/code generator a while back, but i lost interest. as i recall, #perl laughed at me when i suggested it :)

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written components. I don't believe shipping all those components in AxKit (and there are a fair number required) is the right solution. Maybe I'm mistaken. that's why Bundle::AO is

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: I quite like the Zope model - a single distribution which just includes and installs everything you need in a single place. You get python, the httpd, the database, everything. Of course if you have more complex needs, like running Zope from within

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote: I know that you can communicate with the server in the request, it's not totally stand-alone. But I haven't looked into putting in handlers in other phases... i believe with mod_jk there is a callback model, yes. but given tomcat's valve architecture,

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written components. I don't believe shipping all those components in AxKit (and there are a fair number required) is the right solution.

Newbe - APXS install problem

2000-12-06 Thread Goldberg, Josh
Apache with mod_perl (built with APXS) fails to start with this error: Cannot load /opt/WWW/libexec/libperl.so into server: dynamic linker: /opt/WWW/bin/httpd: relocation error: symbol not found: Perl_sv_free Apache rev = 1.3.14 mod_perl rev = 1.24_01 perl rev = 5.00503 OS = dynix/ptx rev 4.4.6

su - bin ./install.all

2000-12-06 Thread JoshNarins
I have a shell script that runs as bin and installs, on /opt, everything (zlib-1.1.3,perl-5.6.0,openssl-0.9.6, mm-1.1.3,modssl-2.7.1,mysql-3.23.28-gamma, modperl-1.24_01( apache_1.3.14 via apaci)) one would need, EXCEPT it needs some expect scripts (I expect) to ftp the sources files in and

eval statements in mod_perl

2000-12-06 Thread Hill, David T - Belo Corporate
Howdy, I am running mod_perl and have created a handler that serves all the pages for our intranet. In this handler I load perl programs from file into a string and run eval on the string (not in a block). The problem is that for any session the code doesn't work the first or second

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: What does Bundle::AO give you that setting PREREQ_PM correctly wouldn't? i don't know :) i use them both. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Bruce W. Hoylman
This debate has really hit some hot buttons. I love reading the exchanges as there are clearly some personal philosophies at work here. Ain't it great! "Michael" == Michael Robinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Give a man a dump truck full of leggos, motors and gears Michael and

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Jim Winstead
On Dec 05, Greg Cope wrote: But, you all know that php pretty much takes over. Why? For two reasons: 1) initial corporate pushing (press/ads) 2) once well known, the word of the mouth does the rest. Well go back 2 / 2 1/2 years and PHP was little known. what is even funnier is that if

Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

2000-12-06 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ed Park wrote: The project that I propose is simple and concrete: create an open forum in which all of the folks who are currently undergoing the same growing pains that we are, or who have been through them already, or who are otherwise [...] The scalable list is for

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: [...] this is how we ship our products internally at cpth. we build perl, apache, 100 or so modules, and ~150 registry scripts. then we rpm the whole thing up. the operations team just has to: rpm -i /usr/local/webmail/current/bin/wmctl start.

Validating Parsers

2000-12-06 Thread patrick
hello Does anyone know of a xml parsing module that validates using built-in functionality, or is there a method to validate xml using XML::Parser with another module? -- Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Area: Web Development (Developer) Date: 06-Dec-00 Time: 10:47:13

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-06 Thread kyle dawkins
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 05:52, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: 6. Engineering The Perl community is made up of a truly eclectic group of people, which is an amazing strength. However, it's also an amazing weakness: I get the impression that very few programmers in the Perl community spend a

[OT] shmget? [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
--- Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re: Java] 1. Trivial to do multithreading and shared memory (in a single server). Really nice for pools of cached information. Single process model sucks for this. Can't say I've looked, but has no one put a nice class wrapper around shared

Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: another option would be to use autoconf. wrap a configure script around your entire set of components. allow it to find and use whichever ones you've already got installed. have it build and install whatever you don't already have. not very tough.

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread William P. McGonigle
--- "Jeffrey W. Baker" wrote: Yup. Machine A is controlling a transaction across Machine X and Machine Y. A modifies a row in X and adds a row to Y. A commits X, which succeeds. A commits Y, which fails. Now what? A cannot guarantee a recovery on machine X because there might already be

[entirely OT :o] Version 0.3? [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
--- Perrin Harkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you don't have to spend time re-integrating Apache::Session and Apache::DBI and Apache::WipeMyAss with each new project. I think Apache::WipeMyAss auto-configures as of 0.3. Where can *I* get that upgrade? =o)

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread barries
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:55:37PM +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Has anyone written a Perl IDE in Perl? Tom Christiansen wrote an IDE-like lash-up of vi and perl, IIRC, but I don't recall the specifics and I can't find in on-web right now. You might search the perl5-porters archives for

all DSO but STATIC MOD_PERL: apache1.3.4/modperl1.24_01/perl5.6.0/Solaris 5.6

2000-12-06 Thread Khachaturov, Vassilli
Hi! Can someone point me to what I am missing? I tried guide messed with the following 1/2day, but still no clue. 1) If I configure Apache by itself: solaris:~/src/apache_1.3.14 707# ./configure --enable-module=most --enable-shared=max --enable-rule=SHARED_CORE and then make install, I end up

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-06 Thread Robin Berjon
At 14:07 06/12/2000 -0500, kyle dawkins wrote: Ok, you're missing my point but that's partially my fault for not explaining. First, let me agree: Java's "everything is an object" mentality sucks balls. And yes, Perl's duality of functional/OO is really nice. Taking that away is not what I

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
--- Chris Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 'Java' and 'open-source' are not mutually exclusive :-) Hallelujah! I still prefer Perl, but this is news to me, and GOOD news! =o) [...] And the perception out there, unlike with mod_perl, is that you don't need to be a wizard to build such

Re: [entirely OT :o] Version 0.3? [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread J. J. Horner
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 11:14:46AM -0800, Paul wrote: --- Perrin Harkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you don't have to spend time re-integrating Apache::Session and Apache::DBI and Apache::WipeMyAss with each new project. I think Apache::WipeMyAss auto-configures as of 0.3. Where can

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matthew Kennedy
brian moseley wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Has anyone written a Perl IDE in Perl? i goofed around with a class browser/code generator a while back, but i lost interest. as i recall, #perl laughed at me when i suggested it :) ActiveState has built an

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Ged Haywood
Hi there, This isn't a silly question. At least I hope it isn't. On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: [snip,snip] A modifies a row in X and adds a row to Y. A commits X, which succeeds. A commits Y, which fails. The only thing that Machine A can do now is send an email to the DBA

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matthew Kennedy wrote: ActiveState has built an Perl/Python IDE out of Mozilla: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/index.html too bad it's windows only :/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
--- Jim Woodgate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 2) Sharing information between the processes. There's lots of different ways to do it, but none really jumps out as an end-all solution. Is there no Apache::SharedMemory (or some such)? If not, does anyone think it would be worth the time for

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread Aaron E. Ross
at a time earlier than now, Dave Rolsky wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: But I'd also like to point out, as Matt Sergeant said, this stuff is _really_ hard, and not very glamorous. I would've done much less of it while the install and auto configure part is not very

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matthew Kennedy
"Bruce W. Hoylman" wrote: snip In my experience, these so-called enterprise solutions are just that ... a huge lathe, or whatever an end mill is. Their solution to even the most minute problem is to throw huge - I mean huge - application piece parts at it, hoping to bury it in the wizard

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread Benjamin Trott
Perhaps part of this is that we simply need smarter configure/install methods. ... I've also dealt with this on another app I'm working on (currently under NDA) that requires a bunch of modules, a set of tables in a database, mod_perl, etc. I've been dealing w/ very similar issues in work

modperl digest subjects broken

2000-12-06 Thread John Marquart
List manager, I truly enjoy mod_perl. I enjoy just as much the numerous ideas and technologies that the mod_perl list exposes me to. However, I number amongst those that cannot handle the numerous list e-mails, and therefore rely on the digest. Unfortunately, the digest function

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
"Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gunther This is exactly why someone experienced in training (ie Gunther Randal/StoneHenge) would hopefully be the ones to take the Gunther torch on this. If there's anyone I would trust a Gunther certification from, it would be them.

Re: Debugging Apache::ASP

2000-12-06 Thread Joshua Chamas
"Differentiated Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd.," wrote: Hi, We've been using Apache::ASP over the past one month. We are having problems debugging an ASP program. We have set the debug level to 3 but still. At debug level 3, the line in which the error occurs is displayed. But if we

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Matthew Kennedy
Ged Haywood wrote: Hi there, This isn't a silly question. At least I hope it isn't. On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: [snip,snip] A modifies a row in X and adds a row to Y. A commits X, which succeeds. A commits Y, which fails. The only thing that Machine A can do

be nice reminder [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
While we're on the topic of advocacy, I'd like to briefly mention the RTFM reflex. Most of the people working on these projects are *working*. They have no time to coddle stupid questions from newbies who didn't *bother* to RTFM. I do understand that, and I sympathize. But if we're talking

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Robin Berjon
At 12:39 06/12/2000 -0800, brian moseley wrote: ActiveState has built an Perl/Python IDE out of Mozilla: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/index.html too bad it's windows only :/ That's bound to change. I think AS will release it on all platforms where Moz/Perl/Python run when

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Aaron E. Ross wrote: while the install and auto configure part is not very glamorous, the possibility of being able to untar one package to get mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, transaction management, data relational modeling/objects and a nice

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi Paul, On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: Is there no Apache::SharedMemory (or some such)? If not, does anyone think it would be worth the time for someone (like me) to sit down and write it? (Couldn't it be done?) There be dragons. 73, Ged.

Re: Apache::ASP problem with post data

2000-12-06 Thread Joshua Chamas
Luc Willems wrote: hello , i'm working on a project that involves some XML-RPC system. The idea is to POST a XML to a ASP script which will than process this and return a XML back to the client. To do that a send sommething like this (output from ethereal dump) : POST

(not strictly modperl) how do I tell if ftp uploaded file is complete?

2000-12-06 Thread dave-mlist
I need to create an upload progress monitor page that can discriminate between files that are partially uploaded and those that are completely uploaded. My users are uploading via FTP to an anonymous upload directory. I'm running mod_perl on the same machine, and it has access to just about

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Matthew Kennedy wrote: from CPAN, then good for you. I'm sure you can in some cases. I think mod_perl has done an excellent job of conquering the the two-teir web-based problems. I love tools such as Mason and Apache::ASP which ride on mod_perl. Perl-DBI is an excellent

Re: Validating Parsers

2000-12-06 Thread barries
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 10:57:44AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello Does anyone know of a xml parsing module that validates using built-in functionality, or is there a method to validate xml using XML::Parser with another module? XML::Checker::Parser? - Barrie

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread brian moseley
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Aaron E. Ross wrote: while the install and auto configure part is not very glamorous, the possibility of being able to untar one package to get mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, transaction management, data relational modeling/objects and a nice

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread John Siracusa
On 12/6/00 3:42 PM, Paul wrote: The parent process could declare a shared memory segment at boot time. Each child's init could spawn a shared memory interface object. Wouldn't that allow for some resource pooling to be cleaner? How would that interact with per-child namespaces (if at all)?

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread kevin montuori
Aaron E Ross writes: aer the possibility of being able to untar one package to get aer mod_perl w/ persistent db connections, [c.] is very glamorous! agreed. but fundamentally impossible. what database are you going to provide persistent connections to? mysql? not on my

[ANNOUNCE] Apache::ASP v2.07

2000-12-06 Thread Joshua Chamas
Hey, The latest Apache::ASP 2.07 has made its way into CPAN, and is also available at: http://download.sourceforge.net/mirrors/CPAN/modules/by-module/Apache/ ftp://ftp.duke.edu/pub/perl/modules/by-module/Apache/ The Apache::ASP web site is at http://www.apache-asp.org/ This release

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Jerrad Pierce
It's also dog slow. Has too many requirements (why should I *have* to install their Python on win32 if I'm a perl developer? or vice versa) Not terribly useful (very little syntax highlighting, little tabbing support). And the fact that it assumes you have perl 5.6, and whines when you don't.

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Nathan Stitt
ActiveState has built an Perl/Python IDE out of Mozilla: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/index.html too bad it's windows only :/ It says at: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/index.html that it is cross platform for Windows, Linux, and Unix. The beta they have

[OT]Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread ed phillips
Aristotle from the Ars Rhetorica on money: Money will not make you wise, but it will bring a wise man to your door. Robin Berjon wrote: At 12:39 06/12/2000 -0800, brian moseley wrote: ActiveState has built an Perl/Python IDE out of Mozilla:

[OT] 1%, two-phase commits, etc.

2000-12-06 Thread Eric Strovink
"Jeffrey W. Baker" wrote: Machine A is controlling a transaction across Machine X and Machine Y. A modifies a row in X and adds a row to Y. A commits X, which succeeds. A commits Y, which fails. A cannot guarantee a recovery on machine X because there might already be other transactions

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Ben Thompson
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:32:41AM -0800, brian moseley wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: But, you all know that php pretty much takes over. Why? For two reasons: 1) initial corporate pushing (press/ads) 2) once well known, the word of the mouth does the rest. oh, there's

[ANNOUNCE] Take23

2000-12-06 Thread Matt Sergeant
OK, so this isn't really much of an announcement, since its still the same web site. Anyway, I'm renaming modperl.sergeant.org to take23.org. DNS should propogate shortly. Until then its available at modperl.sergeant.org (and will continue to be available there). -- Matt/ /||**

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Bruce W. Hoylman
"Matthew" == Matthew Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew I don't know where you got the 1GB disk requirement from? Matthew Even Weblogic's download is only 43Mb, jBoss' is about Matthew 6Mb. The Java Platform is somewhere between that. Your Matthew compiled enterprise app

Re: be nice reminder [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Jim Serio
But if we're talking advocacy, I must point out that as a newbie, my biggest problem was finding out where to look to *find* the manual. Also, when I was trying to get this system working ~now~, (the "out-of-the-box" problem we keep seeing), it was frequently important that I get answers

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
--- "G.W. Haywood" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: Is there no Apache::SharedMemory (or some such)? If not, does anyone think it would be worth the time for someone (like me) to sit down and write it? (Couldn't it be done?) There be dragons.

Re: be nice reminder [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Paul
Agreed, one and all. I only meant to stress being polite when you ask people not to post off-topic without notice -- unless they *KEEP* doing it There are some who require rudeness, sadly enough. I just meant that if you're going to bother to respond, let the person know what they did

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: I was pointed to IPC::Sharable, IPC::Sharelite. I'll look at those. Take a look at IPC::MM for a shared memory hash implemented in C. Also, File::Cache is sometimes faster than the IPC modules. I don't think any of these solve problems like sharing sockets and

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Tom Brown
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ben Thompson wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:32:41AM -0800, brian moseley wrote: if you really feel the need to compete with php in the lowest tier web app space, you need to make simplicity your #1 goal. php is awesome entry level technology, and i almost

source filters in httpd.conf

2000-12-06 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi, I've been trying to use Perl source filters in httpd.conf but to no avail. The archives contain some information on using source filters in modules or registry scripts, but I couldn't find anything about using a filter with either use MyFilter in a Perl section or PerlModule MyFilter. I'm

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Marc Spitzer
what about emacs? It has syntax high lighting/coloring/indenting, easy use of version control, the ability to do compile goto error line(fix) then debug, menu's that work under gui or tty and a bunch of features that I have not even learned yet. The version control is what sold me it is trival

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-06 Thread Marc Spitzer
the only thing I would add is DBI and DBD:::CSV, you get a basic prototyping db and you can add other drivers as you need them. And the package needs to specify the version of gcc it was built with, so you can add dso's and/or perl XS modules. I am more a sys admin then a programmer but I would

how to setup the EMBPERL_MAILTOFROM?

2000-12-06 Thread Koh Kok Wei
I'm working on a e-mail form, and would like to use the MailToFrom EmbPerl module to do it. Can someone tell me what to add in the httpd.conf and please provide me with some code snippets on how to integrate this thing into the form. Thanks. Cheers, Kok Wei

Re: shared mem [was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-06 Thread Jeremy Howard
Perrin Harkins wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: I was pointed to IPC::Sharable, IPC::Sharelite. I'll look at those. Take a look at IPC::MM for a shared memory hash implemented in C. Also, File::Cache is sometimes faster than the IPC modules. I don't think any of these solve