Re: [Talk-GB] Database of British and Irish hills

2019-02-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 11/02/2019 23:31, Silent Spike wrote: I recently came across the DoBIH  which you can see is licensed under CC BY 3.0. At least one user claims already asked for permission to use this data: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36758689

Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

2019-01-30 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/01/2019 10:25, Andrew Harvey wrote: I agree, unless they come to the table to discuss we should block as much as possible to limit their abuse of OSM. On Wed., 30 Jan. 2019, 7:24 pm nwastra wrote: ...

Re: [Talk-us] The San Jose / Santa Clara border

2019-01-27 Thread Andy Townsend
Volunteer stevea mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com>> wrote: On Jan 26, 2019, at 4:00 AM, Andy Townsend mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>> wrote: > A mapper has recently changed this to "cut the corner off" north of the 880 between San Jose airport and Stevens Creek Mall /

[Talk-us] The San Jose / Santa Clara border

2019-01-25 Thread Andy Townsend
A mapper has recently changed this to "cut the corner off" north of the 880 between San Jose airport and Stevens Creek Mall / Westfield Valley Fair.  You can see the change at http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=66619223=18=37.33883=-121.93327=B0TTTFT . Some of this mapper's previous

Re: [Talk-it] Utente pasticcione

2019-01-23 Thread Andy Townsend
ere ripristinato (se ce ne sono) e come meglio farlo. Saremo lieti di ricevere commenti su come utilizzare al meglio queste modifiche da questo mappatore: puoi rispondere qui o inviare un'email al gruppo di lavoro sui dati all'indirizzo d...@osmfoundation.org. I migliori saluti, Andy Townse

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/01/2019 12:37, Mike Baggaley wrote: I think that if an intersecting highway and waterway are mapped just as lines, then these represent the full width of the highway and waterway and it is illogical to use a line or area to represent the ford. If either the highway or waterway is mapped

Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

2018-12-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/12/2018 13:55, Stephan Knauss wrote: You should be ashamed to criticize ... on that specific note I don't think that people should _ever_ be ashamed to point out something that's "not quite right" or where the perception is wrong.  We can only work together if we communicate with

Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

2018-12-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/12/2018 10:36, Naveen Francis wrote: It would better to have common guidelines forum/wiki/talk. Different language communities have different ways of communication.  Some langauges are quite direct, yet to be direct like that in other languages would be extremely rude   Even within

Re: [OSM-talk] UJEM (Unidentified JOSM Error Message)

2018-12-18 Thread Andy Townsend
On 18/12/2018 16:25, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:12 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: "Error retrieving Cluster(s) Would you like to suppress further notifications" This string does not seem to be present in JOSM or any of its plugins. It's not an operating system error

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 13/12/2018 10:40, Tomas Straupis wrote: What is "ground" in this term for non physical objects: 1. Physical place which could have some traces of an actual object. 2. Ground where non-physical objects actually live - documents. The whole point of the "verifiability" and "ground

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Candidate's views? Re: Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-13 Thread Andy Townsend
On 11/12/2018 13:45, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: [...] The decision of the DWG was absolutely correct according to the rules that OSM imposed on itself. I think the board here is opening Pandora's box. It will certainly be interesting to see how all the controversial areas will be judged from

[OSM-talk] What is OSM for? (was: Re: Ground truth for non-physical objects)

2018-12-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/12/2018 13:05, Tomas Straupis wrote: ... I do not imagine how would it be possible to capture all that "on the ground" without an army of mappers devoted specifically to this very boring and uninteresting but useful class - addresses. If you're looking for a project that essentially

Re: [Talk-it] importare dati osm su database

2018-12-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/12/2018 12:35, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: parti da qui https://switch2osm.org/manually-building-a-tile-server-18-04-lts/ poi, per gli uggiornamenti invece basta usare le giuste opzioni di osm2pgsql scaricando gli aggiornamenti da planet.openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] Mountain Rescue Posts

2018-12-10 Thread Andy Townsend
Hello, One thing that I noticed when trying to add a specific icon to a map for mountain rescue posts was that although there is some usage of https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=mountain_rescue and slightly less of https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/emergency=mountain_rescue

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone feel like helping another mapper in New York?

2018-12-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/12/2018 18:20, Jmapb wrote: On 12/9/2018 6:38 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: I sent him a message offering to help, but if he doesn't respond to you, I doubt he'll answer me either. Thanks - at least it's not just me trying to talk to them! Best Regards, Andy

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone feel like helping another mapper in New York?

2018-12-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/11/2018 21:24, Andy Townsend wrote (heavily snipped): Hello, Over the last couple of months there have been edits by a new mapper in New York who seems to like changing things but hasn't quite got the hang of what they're doing yet.  ...   Comments can be seen at http://resultmaps.neis

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

2018-11-24 Thread Andy Townsend
how they show particular countries to particular audiences, and ensure that (where verifiable) data is contained within OSM to allow those maps to be made, but please don't say that this decision went against the letter or the spirit of that policy.  Unfortunately, there are no easy solutions

[Talk-us] Anyone feel like helping another mapper in New York?

2018-11-23 Thread Andy Townsend
Hello, Over the last couple of months there have been edits by a new mapper in New York who seems to like changing things but hasn't quite got the hang of what they're doing yet.  Some of the smaller edits seem plausible, but they seem to be doing a lot of "node drags and merges" which

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

2018-11-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/11/2018 16:36, Tomas Straupis wrote: 2018-11-23, pn, 18:23 Andy Townsend rašė: Yuri, I suspect that literally every statement that the DWG has made throughout this process has said exactly the opposite of what you've just suggested that we said. You're saying DWG position

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

2018-11-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/11/2018 15:34, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: I suspect the "default" is what the community took the main issue with. DWG essentially declaring that there must be a single truth for non-overlapping country borders is what seems to have caused all this. Simply saying that every country can

Re: [OSM-talk] admin_level=2 overlaps

2018-11-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/11/2018 14:48, Ilya Zverev wrote: After I sent the message, I’ve read in the wiki about this part of Serbian-Croatian border: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/45.7313/18.9257 Also apparently part of the border of the Netherlands

[OSM-talk] admin_level=2 overlaps (was: Re: OSMF silently sides with Russia?)

2018-11-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/11/2018 13:47, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2018, Ilya Zverev wrote: [...] To conclude, if we remove Kafia Kingi from the South Sudan relation, there will be no notable violations to the 2013 agreement on our map — though only by means of having one country overlap

Re: [Talk-GB] Guildford Blackwell Farm redevelopment

2018-11-21 Thread Andy Townsend
Is their anyone in the Guildford area who can verify these edits by a new user please? They look like a part of the town's planned expansion, but I'm assuming Adam got a bit ahead of himself. He's also overlapped roads onto the railway. I've put in a changeset message to him.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

2018-11-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/11/2018 19:43, Tomas Straupis wrote: Do you know a country which has a fluctuating representation of its borders say in schoolbooks? In my lifetime, lots - countries (and I don't mean where boundaries changed, but the external recogition of them did).  For example, the US only

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

2018-11-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/11/2018 13:09, Tomas Straupis wrote: Can you give an example where things in OpenStreetMap are mapped in a different way than overwhelming majority of world thinks? If "the UN" counts for "the overwhelming majority of the world", there are quite a few examples. The UN recognises

Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

2018-11-18 Thread Andy Townsend
On 18/11/2018 18:23, Sebastian Kürten wrote: Interesting point. Do you have an example for something misspelled that returns interesting result on search engines? No, because normally if I see something mispelt in OSM I'll fix it :) Best Regards, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

2018-11-17 Thread Andy Townsend
I'd imagine there are plenty of examplea that use OSM street name and place information to hang other data or queries off. One example off the top of my head was an application that I was involved with a few years ago tracking police "stop and search" requests in London, but there are plenty

[Talk-GB] Pub dress codes and "no swearing" rules

2018-11-17 Thread Andy Townsend
As I write this, I'm sat in a Sam Smith's pub.  As per other Sam Smith's pubs, it has big "no swearing policy" signs inside.  There's one use of "swearing" in

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql diff application with filtered OSM data

2018-11-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 08/11/2018 16:16, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: Usually people also clip minutely osc, as per day database grows by a small country otherwise. There's a worked example of that (in a slightly different context) at

[OSM-talk] Garmin GPS and OSM-based maps (was: Re: How to get an overview of multiple gpx on OSM map?)

2018-11-06 Thread Andy Townsend
Whilst it's great that Garmin are offering the convenience pre-installed OSM-based maps, it's worth bearing in mind that there are lots of free download options - see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap for creating your own and

Re: [Talk-GB] Hi everyone

2018-11-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/11/2018 08:53, Jez Nicholson wrote: Finally, I don't know who checks chnagesets. Can someone enlighten us please? I don't know anyone in GB who explicitly checks the "review_requested=yes" changeset tag, though it is available in QA tools such as OSMCha that can search those.  I

Re: [Talk-GB] Facebook Map Query - Thames rendered as Thanames

2018-11-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/10/2018 10:56, Dave F wrote: I'd be more concerned that on Facebook's mobile website (Android/Silk Browser) that image clicks through to Google Maps. I suspect it depends (I did look into issues related to this in response to some DWG* tickets).  The maps you saw depending on where you

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this Antarctic airfield exist?

2018-09-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/09/18 19:59, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Sunday 23 September 2018, Dave F wrote: Ever heard of this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62799981 No, that's fake. With a DWG hat on I've sent them a "message that they have to read before continuing to edit".  Are any of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange edit to admin_level on England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland

2018-09-16 Thread Andy Townsend
On 16/09/18 11:37, Colin Smale wrote: Hi, An infrequent mapper "Ant Ko" has changed the admin_level on the UK nations to 3 (used to be 4). The changeset comment is: They're semi-indie units and NOT regions,and you HAVE to know it. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62629726

Re: [Talk-us] NYC Name Vandalism

2018-09-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/09/2018 01:56, Alan Brown wrote: ... I suspect the OSM community is not culturally disposed to that form of moderation. So I will ask about a different approach. One thing the OSM community _is_ culturally disposed to is people trying things to see if they work, and in order to do there

Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs

2018-08-29 Thread Andy Townsend
On 29/08/2018 20:25, Toby Speight wrote: Thanks for that - it predates my joining this list. It seems to (partially) answer only my first question - it's to benefit those who don't like their rendering (on paper/screen or on a navigation device). That's why we have rendering rules - if you

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping horse steps?

2018-08-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/08/18 13:32, Edward Catmur wrote: amenity=horse_dismount_block has 4 occurrences, all in the north of England. I think I'm responsible for half of those - happy to pick a different tag if someone's got a better idea! There are actually a selection of tags used for this sort of thing:

Re: [OSM-talk] AI detecting of buildings Idle thoughts

2018-08-16 Thread Andy Townsend
On 16/08/2018 12:35, Rory McCann wrote: What's funny is that this import was (according to the changeset comment) based on "DigitalGlobe extracted building data". A straight up import of the original building geometries would probably be (i) less contentious (since a building is a building is a

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 08/08/18 10:34, Dave F wrote: On 08/08/2018 08:30, Andy Townsend wrote:  The tags "highway_authority_ref" "admin_ref" and "official_ref" are assumed to be unsigned. One of the items on my 'things to do' list was to search for & amalgamate any 'this

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-08 Thread Andy Townsend
For completeness, I have updated https://map.atownsend.org.uk to show unsigned road names in brackets and unsigned refs in brackets at the end of the name.  The tags "highway_authority_ref" "admin_ref" and "official_ref" are assumed to be unsigned. Examples:

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Andy Townsend
"Public right of way references, along with stiles and kissing gates, are for example rendered on Andy Townsend's specialist walking map." That already has an idea about "unsigned names and refs" and at some point I'll add various unsigned road refs in brackets like PROW refs and other

Re: [Talk-GB] Brewshop Tagging

2018-07-29 Thread Andy Townsend
On 29/07/18 14:33, SK53 wrote: This is how I mapped the one I surveyed last year in West Norwood https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5139756811. Avoid shop=beverage, these are shop=alcohol. That's what I went with for https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4336173634 - that one is mostly bottle

[Talk-us] Sidewalks in Austin without any tags

2018-07-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/07/2018 14:12, Bryan Housel wrote: ... Find more productive ways to improve OSM than threatening to delete people’s work. (ahem) Hi Bryan, What I'd normally suggest in a situation like this is that someone comment on some of the problem changesets and offer help and assistance. 

Re: [OSM-talk] Database on readonly?

2018-07-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/07/2018 11:29, Maarten Deen wrote: What is the problem? Is there maintenance going on? Nothing on the "announce" list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/ , but it was mentioned at https://mobile.twitter.com/osm_tech (and in last week's OSM weekly news) Best

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/07/2018 11:44, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 3. Lipiec 2018 12:26 od t.pfei...@computer.org :  > Removing the FIXME tag reduces the learning curve for map editors. What specific skill is to be learned here? Not skill but knowledge - that fixme and

[Talk-GB] Guideposts and Public Footpath signs

2018-07-01 Thread Andy Townsend
Hi all, I've noticed that a few people up in parts of North Yorkshire have been adding "information=guidepost" for public footpath / bridleway signs such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5570785235 .  At first glance this seemed odd - your typical GB public footpath sign doesn't have

Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney

2018-06-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/06/18 20:12, Andrew Harvey wrote: On 3 June 2018 at 21:48, Dion Moult > wrote: I've started using OSM more and more and I find it frustrating that many house addresses are not available in OSM. I would like to help by tracing many houses using ESRI

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

2018-06-02 Thread Andy Townsend
(just to give a bit of an update) Some single account "description" adders are back (example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5658025380/history ), but they're not obviously part of the same group as the previous lot, so it's "as you were" with manual searching and reverting of obvious

Re: [Talk-GB] Railway Platforms - Covered=yes are not shown in latest rendering

2018-05-29 Thread Andy Townsend
On 29/05/2018 14:53, Tony Shield wrote: Checked that my changes had rendered ok but found to my horror that the platforms had disappeared. Investigations showed - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kocio/diary - OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.11.0

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

2018-05-26 Thread Andy Townsend
Hi all, just to let people know the admins have found a fair bit of commonality between the accounts behind the edits mentioned so far in this thread and have taken action* against them.  With a bit of luck, the spam torrent should reduce for a bit, but please let us know if it starts

Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

2018-05-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/05/18 19:03, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 24 May 2018 at 17:37, Jez Nicholson wrote: But Martin (and others) _could_ use the web site to prompt investigations into crossing locations and manually add/edit in OSM. + 1 Or we could just ask them to release the data

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

2018-05-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/05/2018 12:33, Andrew Harvey wrote: Thanks for doing the research on this! ... and thanks from me, too. On 21 May 2018 at 19:32, Andrew Davidson > wrote: After wasting many hours on this I've come to the conclusion that a

[Talk-us] Amazon Logistics (was: Re: Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair)

2018-05-16 Thread Andy Townsend
Just to let people know who may not already have noticed, a number of these mappers (see for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ravsjith *) have an updated profile that says: "I work for Amazon Logistics. At Amazon Logistics, we’ve been utilizing OSM in some cases related to our

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with diffs

2018-05-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/05/2018 19:21, Andrzej Kępys wrote: OsmosisRuntimeException: The replication state doesn't contain a timestamp property. Any idea where can I post/report this? Here (or the dev list) is as good a place as any :) What this normally means is that osmosis has somehow "become confused"

Re: [OSM-talk] highway="corridor" tag

2018-05-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/05/2018 17:07, Richard Marsden wrote: My code is being surprised by a number of corridors that are tagged highway="corridor". The two examples I have in-front of me are both in Dublin, Ireland; at Stephen's Green Mall and St James Hospital. I say surprised because the page

Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

2018-05-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/05/2018 14:24, Adam Snape wrote: However, we cannot know from our armchairs whether a store is disused but still signed, disused with all signage removed, demolished, or replaced by another business. Because if this we cannot fix the map merely by deleting the relevant shops. That is

Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

2018-05-05 Thread Andy Townsend
Taking as read the arguments in for and against a mechanical edit for possibly closed shops* it'd be great if shops that we definitely know are now closed could be properly tagged as what they are now, so for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1485964357#map=19/53.98855/-1.09350 can

Re: [talk-au] Open Mapping team at Microsoft Australian edits

2018-05-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/05/18 04:10, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58382600 This user, which on his user page says "I am proud to be in Microsoft Open Maps team." Has been making a lot of "Fixed geometry" changesets. ... I made a changeset comment to which I

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Andy Townsend
On 01/05/2018 12:43, David Woolley wrote: On 01/05/18 12:23, David Woolley wrote: I don't know about your tool, but it is essential that every user has an explicit personal account with OSM, and that they are set up to receive emails if people add changeset comments, or post messages to their

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Andy Townsend
On 01/05/2018 12:23, David Woolley wrote: I don't know about your tool, but it is essential that every user has an explicit personal account with OSM, and that they are set up to receive emails if people add changeset comments, or post messages to their OSM account.  maps.me has a high

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

2018-04-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/04/18 10:54, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote: ... There are 6-8 new users who just started editing in and around Denver. Circumstantial evidence seems to indicagte they are part of a team in that they all started about the same time, their edits are remarkably similar and they

Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

2018-04-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/04/2018 16:13, Ian Dees wrote: Some questions: Was this action made under the auspices of the Data Working Group? No Has the "directed mapping" policy been approved by the OSMF? No, although the refusal to interact with other mappers and the mass creation of sock-puppet accounts

Re: [Talk-GB] Bottle Kilns

2018-04-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/04/2018 13:18, Russ Phillips wrote: I'm intending to map the bottle kilns in Stoke on Trent. For those that don't know, they're an important part of the area's industrial heritage (there were several thousand of them at the height of the pottery industry). There are 47 now, and just

Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

2018-04-02 Thread Andy Townsend
On 31/03/18 13:25, Bryan Housel wrote: I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here: https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index "Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook groups, mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially

Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

2018-03-05 Thread Andy Townsend
On 05/03/2018 11:49, Richard wrote: this one problem could be (somewhat) solved by conditional restrictions, No, this is not an access restriction - people are allowed to go there whenever they like; it might just not be advisable. I'd be against mapping non-quantifiable risks like this

Re: [Talk-us] how can we fix anonymous spam comments

2018-02-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/02/2018 09:10, Badita Florin wrote: This anonymous user is leaving a comment with hundred of You can see an example here https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1257677 I've hidden the original note, since someone's readded the sensible bits of it to

Re: [Talk-us] Rural US: Correcting Original TIGER Imported Ways

2018-02-19 Thread Andy Townsend
On 19/02/2018 22:03, Clifford Snow wrote:  Can I steal your road styles? Sure. BTW - I can't see the difference between a plain residential and a unpaved residential. Unclassified stands right out, but not residential. That's arguably a bug :)  I added support (downgrading to track) for

Re: [Talk-us] Rural US: Correcting Original TIGER Imported Ways

2018-02-19 Thread Andy Townsend
On 19/02/2018 15:24, Dave Mansfield wrote: I agree. To me having paved and unpaved show on the osm.org default render would be the biggest improvement to OSM I can think of. If anyone wants any help setting up a server to experiment with options for rendering "unpaved" let me know.  I've

Re: [Talk-it] Di nuovo l'utente pasticcione

2018-02-18 Thread Andy Townsend
On 18/02/18 10:21, Alecs wrote: Thanks for the help Andy, but a new account is already in place, same editing style, changing every unclassified road to residential (he did some hundred times a few days ago in Turin): http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=56442146 deleting and re-drawing

Re: [Talk-it] Di nuovo l'utente pasticcione

2018-02-17 Thread Andy Townsend
On 11/02/2018 12:24, Alecs wrote: Ciao a tutti, vi segnalo il probabile nuovo account del buon vecchio "select" ... For info: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1762 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1770 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1771

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-16 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/02/2018 16:49, Dave F wrote: Again, the way containing the shared node has junction=roundabout in it. You are entering & exiting a roundabout Using that argument elsewhere, if I drive northwest up the A446 at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1165#map=17/52.55098/-1.73102 "the way

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 14/02/2018 18:57, Dave F wrote: On 14/02/2018 18:32, Andy Townsend wrote: Having one exit node not joined to the next entry node better represents the real-world situation*. Disagree. Sharing a node should make no difference to the real world or a router's perception

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-14 Thread Andy Townsend
(... snip ...) Technically speaking you are not because you are just touching one node of the roundabout. Yes you are. You may not be on there very long, but you approach the roundabout, pass the signs saying it's a roundabout, give way to those already on it, you enter it & then indicate that

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapnik styling

2018-01-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/01/2018 13:21, Jez Nicholson wrote: I am currently working with mapnik to render Ordnance Survey VectorMap District. Which is the 'best' stylesheet format to use? Mapnik XML or CartoCSS or a.n.other? Of the two I'd definitely suggest CartoCSS rather than raw Mapnik XML - I've tried

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

2018-01-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/01/2018 14:52, Bryan Housel wrote: - “To European eyes the comments look like they were written by a six-year-old” Be nice everyone! Bryan, this is "being nice" in English.  It's a reply that incorporates a certain amount of humour (quotes around sarcasm, link to not-entirely-serious

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

2018-01-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/01/2018 14:07, Michael Reichert wrote: Hi, OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a user marks a changeset as good or bad. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101 I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature. The example

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, again

2018-01-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/01/2018 21:11, Doug Hembry wrote: (lots snipped, pretty much all of which I agree with) IMHO, AT THE VERY LEAST, the background green fill for leisure=park could and should be dropped by openstreeetmap-carto - it is unnecessary, causes problems, and can be replaced by natural=* or

Re: [Talk-us] Potential vandalism in Northern California (Pokémon Go?) (Andy Townsend)

2018-01-02 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/12/2017 01:28, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: (some bits snipped) 1) Let's agree that what our wiki says in leisure=park defines what we mean by "a park is a park, like this, even if it doesn't seem like that is what other parks look like, exactly." In other words, what OSM says is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Standard map style contributions

2017-12-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/12/2017 10:45, Daniel Koć wrote: However after almost half a year we still don't have too many contributions from other people and I'm curious what are the main obstacles which prevent it and what else could we possibly change to make it easier? There's also more basic question: how

Re: [Talk-us] Potential vandalism in Northern California (Pokémon Go?)

2017-12-27 Thread Andy Townsend
eat if they continue and in the future add what they know about these areas too. Best Regards, Andy Townsend (DWG member and very occasional hiker in Northern California) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [talk-au] Rendering of BBQs

2017-12-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/12/17 23:37, Arthur Geeson wrote: Is there a reason that BBQs are not being rendered? Just out of interest, what would the tag be?  There isn't much that's too obvious at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=barbeque#values . A related issue is for firepit, in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/12/17 18:41, john whelan wrote: True but it's to do with data quality and avoiding the need to validate. I don't think that different presets will "avoid the need to validate" in any scenario (HOT or otherwise) - the only thing that will do that is education and training - and having

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/12/17 11:49, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: It would be cool to have such library running on osm2pgsql import, fixing and complaining/skipping all the mistaked tag usage it can detect. This can possibly resurrect some objects that are lost because of typos or old tagging

Re: [Talk-GB] Mistagging of old telephone boxes

2017-12-23 Thread Andy Townsend
For info: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility most of the editors there have a reasonable history of discussing these things so there's a good chance they know what they're talking about (more so than me when it comes to licences, certainly) so I'd be tempted to

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Website Data

2017-12-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/12/2017 09:15, Ilya Zverev wrote: ... Or do you think the map does not need imports and that every shop and amenity will be mapped without them before they are out of business? Maybe it's worth having a look at an example. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245390956 is a petrol station

Re: [Talk-it] Regno di Andany, Sardegna

2017-12-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/12/2017 14:05, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: segnalazione al DWG? Thanks - it's been raised with us and we're looking at it. Best Regards, Andy (DWG) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Request for mapping assistance Hull

2017-12-14 Thread Andy Townsend
and Hull, apparently: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60752 On 14/12/17 13:47, SK53 wrote: Just crossposting this message from the forum regarding mapping in Leamington Spa: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60753 Jerry

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-01 Thread Andy Townsend
On 30/11/17 13:46, Daniel Koć wrote: Hi, I'm thinking about changes in rendering of protected areas on osm-carto and I wanted to give community a hint, because it's a popular kind of objects. There is a fresh discussion about it from this comment on:

[Talk-GB] Display of brand/operator in GB/IE (was: Re: Importing Shell fuel stations)

2017-11-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/11/2017 17:51, Ilya Zverev wrote: ... and I removed the "operator" tag. Somewhat related, https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=21=53.1927324=-1.3428004 now shows brand (or operator) in brackets after name if both are set and just brand (or operator) if name isn't.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to show school icons ?

2017-11-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/11/2017 12:23, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 24.11.2017 o 08:57, David SAUVAGE pisze: What would be the process to change this situation in order for school icons to be displayed on osm map with the same priority of a library ? Let me quote what I've just wrote in the osm-carto issue

Re: [talk-au] Pokemon / doodles in Noranda, Perth?

2017-11-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/11/2017 20:34, m.james wrote: Kill it, kill it all Thanks!  Someone's already deleted it.  A couple more questions though: One is the names of bits of parkland such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/260221961/history .  That was added by the same mapper looks like it might be either

[talk-au] Pokemon / doodles in Noranda, Perth?

2017-11-22 Thread Andy Townsend
It looks dodgy, and presumably is just a Pokemon-style edit, but I figured that someone more local would be more likely to know for certain one way or the other: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4725585201/history#map=19/-31.87776/115.88667 I'm happy to tidy up if you'd like me to - just

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

2017-11-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/11/2017 13:47, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: I've posted a -dev mail about reusing nighttime of tile rendering servers. Some likes on GitHub, some reviews from passer-by's, no merge, nothing about "what to fix to get it merged". For a year. Patience you say?

Re: [Talk-us] Multipolygonizing

2017-11-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/11/2017 23:30, Ian Dees wrote: Please remember to stay on topic and friendly. This thread seems to be drifting off into a discussion about the merits of OSM editors. Well, my comment about editors wasn't supposed to be offtopic, since the question of data being "... far easier to

Re: [Talk-us] Multipolygonizing

2017-11-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/11/2017 19:36, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: Come on, JOSM itself is difficult, but everyone who groked JOSM, never returns to Potlach. Untrue.  Each of the OSM editors has strengths and weaknesses - it's simply a case of finding the best tool for the job.  In some cases that might be JOSM; in

Re: [Talk-us] Multipolygonizing

2017-11-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 20/11/2017 17:58, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: ... Glebius is right in my backyard and I've found his coastal "restructurings" (e.g. http://www.osm.org/changeset/46756097) to be bizarre and unnecessary, often overwriting correct official (county GIS imported) data simply to not "share some

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-17 Thread Andy Townsend
On 17/11/2017 22:52, Clifford Snow wrote: Frederik, I think we are all thankful for the newsletter. And believe they are free to publish to their own standards. However, because they use OSM resources by publishing on our mailing lists they need respect our values. I don't think asking a

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

2017-11-17 Thread Andy Townsend
On 17/11/2017 17:52, Mikel Maron wrote: Yes, doing this is hard work, and appreciate the job WeeklyOSM has to do. Point is, statements like "Yuri is as unreasonable as before and tries to ignore all the unwritten rules in OSM" is inappropriate, and there are many better ways to summarize the

Re: [Talk-GB] Welsh language map

2017-11-15 Thread Andy Townsend
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=10=51.8697=-5.068 also shows Welsh names in Welsh-speaking parts of Wales (using a .poly from Jerry, actually), but that's really a solution to a different problem (described at http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/42069 ).

Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

2017-11-15 Thread Andy Townsend
(somewhat belatedly, re crossings) On 02/11/2017 15:42, Dave F wrote: Apologies, forgot to permalink. Try: https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=20=51.3779057=-2.35836 Yes, the way these are shown is a bit rubbish.  I'm assuming that it's not possible to render a symbol for

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