UTF-8 in PHP?
I'm trying to make a regex that will change kaf, mem, nun, pe, and
tzadik to their final form if they are at the end of a word. On the
php mailing list, we came to this regex, which works to replace a
letter only at the end of a word, and it works well:
$text=preg_replace('/\b([^\s]+)a\b.*/U', '$1A', $text);
This replaces a final a with A, as a test case. It works.
However, when I change the a and A to Hebrew, it does not:
$text=preg_replace('/\b([^\s]+)כ\b.*/U', '$1ך', $text); // Lo Oved
You can see two test cases and the code here:
http://gibberish.co.il/test.html
http://gibberish.co.il/test2.html
Why should the regex above not work? Is it a UTF-8 problem? Can anyone
elaborate? PHP is Israeli homebrew, so I would expect that it is used
on quite a few Israeli sites.
Thanks in advance.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: UTF-8 in PHP?
On 28/02/2008, shimi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can be a UTF-8 problem in general - PHP has many functions that are not UTF-8 aware, which is why we have the mbstring functions... which are equivalent to historical PHP functions, but work well on multibyte strings... there's even an option to overload the mbstring functions on top of the old functions, see: http://il.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php#mbstring.overload However, I can't see an mbstring equivalent for preg_replace (while ereg_replace does have one...) - which might suggest one of two options: a) preg_replace is utf-8 ready or b) mbstring functionality doesn't support a function for preg_replace... I know this might not be a too helpful comment, but I tried my best... Thanks, Shimi. It seems that preg_replace does not work on multibyte (utf-8) strings because that would be too slow. I'm looking for an alternative, and you may have just found it. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: UTF-8 in PHP?
Alright, I solved the problem. Here is the code for converting final
letters in the middle of a word to normal letters, if anyone ever
needs it:
$text=עברית מבולגנת;
function hebrewNotWordEndSwitch ($from, $to, $text) {
$text=preg_replace('/'.$from.'([א-ת])/u','$2'.$to.'$1',$text);
return $text;
}
do {
$text_before=$text;
$text=hebrewNotWordEndSwitch(ך,כ,$text);
$text=hebrewNotWordEndSwitch(ם,מ,$text);
$text=hebrewNotWordEndSwitch(ן,נ,$text);
$text=hebrewNotWordEndSwitch(ף,פ,$text);
$text=hebrewNotWordEndSwitch(ץ,צ,$text);
} while ( $text_before!=$text );
print $text; // עברית מסודרת!
The do-while is necessary for multiple instances of letters, such as
in אנני which would start off as אןןי. Note that there's still the
problem of roshi-tevot but that's not a difficult one to solve. Like
Binyamini likes to say (technion only, sorry): that's an excersize for
the student to solve himself.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OFFTOPIC: Asus EEE in Israel
On 29/02/2008, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I know that several people who I talked to and are subscribed to this list are really excited about Asus EEE and want to buy it. As you may know, Bezeq went out with a campaign that if you upgrade your ADSL to 4MBit, you can buy from them exclusivly the EEE for 39.90 a month (for 36 months). For more details, see [1] (it requires IE). The model that Bezeq sell if the Surf model (you can see comparison of models here [2]) which is problematic if you want more then 512MB RAM since the cover is closed and you have to open tons of screws in order to replace the SO-DIMM. It also doesn't have a webcam. I have talked to NirLight (which is the official representative of Asus in Israel) and they told me the following stuff: * You will be able to buy EEE from them starting March 30th * As much as I understood, There will be a Windows (HOME) version as well as the Linux version * They haven't determent the final prices yet. * 4GB and 8GB models will be available in black and white colors. * You can call Ronlight and register and you'll receive a notice when they'll start selling this machine officially If you want to read my review about EEE you can read it here [3]. I personally think that every sysadmin who respect himself should get one of these mini-laptops. The damn thing is 920 GRAMS including battery, and it WAY more comfortable then lugging around a full notebook or worse - using blackbarry/Nokia E90/E61/E62 to ssh to servers. Thanks, Hetz [1] - http://www.bezeq.co.il//Cultures/he-IL/Bezeq/Sales/minilaptop/minilaptop.html [2] - http://wiki.eeeuser.com/eee_pc_701#models [3] - http://witch.dyndns.org/wp/?p=284 What's IE-only about the bezeq site? Once I enabled Flash, it displayed fine. Thanks for the info. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Attn Hebrew KDE users
There's a bug in bugs.kde.org for adding recurring events on the Hebrew calender. Here is the bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149614 Go vote for it or add comments. Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: To maintainers of Israeli open source web sites
On 06/03/2008, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, It just took me quite a while to find current archives of linux-il on the net in order to point to an article there. I finally found a good archive at mail-archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/). I know this question sometimes returns to haunt the list but not being able to find the archives causes a sort of a chicken-and-egg problem, doesn't it? :) So please - if you maintain a web site which mentions Linux-IL please add a pointer to its archives (mail-archive looks good) to your web site so Google can find it more easily. Web sites I looked through include linux.org.il, hamakor.org.il (which has a non-current archive) and http://linuxil.objectis.net/, iglu.org.il, whatsup, linmagazine Thanks, --Amos I will do that this evening. Are there any other high-value sites that maybe we should be promoting? Of course I'd love to add my own gibberish.co.il (shameless plug) but if someone wants to publish their list of important Hebrew or Israeli Linux websites I will pick a few and link to them as well. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Changing text direction in KDE apps
On 07/03/2008, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in your ~/.qt/ there is a file called qtrc In this file, there's a line: useRtlExtensions=false Change it to: true restart your application, and use CTRL RIGHT-SHIFT to change dir to RTL and CTRL LEFT SHIFT to ltr. Hetz Thanks. I did not have that line, so I added it to the end of the file. However, after resetting X, it did not enable the feature as you mention. Could you post you qtrc file so that I might add the line in the right place? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Changing text direction in KDE apps
On 07/03/2008, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, it's attached. Hetz PS: Make sure you're using at least QT 3.x, and not using it with VNC Thanks. How do I check my Qt version number? qt --version didn't do it! And no, I'm not on VNC. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Changing text direction in KDE apps
On 07/03/2008, Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding that what already suggested, you can fire up a qt configuration utility (GUI). In Gentoo at least, its called qtconfig (and it appears that its part of the QT libraries I have on the machine. Under tab interface you can find a check box named enhanced support for languages written in right-to-left. Check it, log out of X, login back, and check again... . Thanks. For archive diggers, in Ubuntu there is qt3-qtconfig and qt4-qtconfig. I installed qt3-qtconfig, which is run with the command qtconfig, and I could set the settings. In fact, the enhanced support for languages written in right-to-left checkbox was already checked, I assume because I added the config line earlier today. However, even with a restart I cannot switch text alignment in KDE applications. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: all-in-one ink printer : looking for recommendations
On 12/03/2008, Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm looking into buying an all-in-one printer. I'll probably go for ink printer since I don't print too much and printing color output would be useful. The required/preferred specs are: - having good printer drivers under Linux. - working scanner functionality under Linux is highly desirable. - independent fax capability - preferably a machine compact in size. - shared printing: I need to be able to print to it from windows and linux. I don't mind how this is achieved (setting linux as a printer server, network presence of the printer, etc) as long as its easy (enough) to install and maintain. - under 1000nis (will this be a problem?... at least not much more than this limit). If you can share some of your experience that would be great! Thanks, Boaz. Boaz, we have the HP OfficeJet 4255. It cost us 800 NIS at some online auction site. It prints fine in Linux and even from my Windows VMWare virtual machine. Setting up the drivers in Windows is a pain in the tusik (needs disk), but in KDE it is a simple wizard. The scanner works, it sends and receives faxes without the computer, and it has two print cartridges: one for B/W which was easy to refill with an ink kit, and one for colour. It is a compact unit, and we've had it for over two years. Highly recommended. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: all-in-one ink printer : looking for recommendations
On 12/03/2008, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid Epson Stylus CX3200 and similar printers. While all of its functions work under Linux, it was designed to waste ink. Each power cycling wastes some ink. Also, its ink cartridges contain a chip preventing them from refilled. If already, then already. Avoid Lexmark as well. Pure garbage. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Vista Down - Linux up
On 17/03/2008, OSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, My son had his Windows Vista down and he's looking for a Linux OS to run on the same system so he can boot either OS when the need arises. He's looking for a (dummy) user friendly English/Hebrew Linux version. Can someone please come up with a suggestion, Thanks for the help, Israel David I have installed Ubuntu Linux on several friend's machines. There really is no barrier today to using Linux as opposed to Window, rather, the barrier is more about applications. I recommend that your son install Firefox (and possible Opera), and Open Office on his Vista computer and NOT USE Internet Explorer or MS Office for a month. If he can get that far, then he should have no problem with Ubuntu. If there are any specific, special application that your son uses, let us know so that we can recommend suitable replacements. Although some Windows programs can be run in Linux, those methods are hacky and not recommended. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Vista Down - Linux up
On 18/03/2008, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed Ubuntu Linux on several friend's machines. There really is no barrier today to using Linux as opposed to Window, rather, the barrier is more about applications. I recommend that your son install Firefox (and possible Opera), and Open Office on his Vista computer and NOT USE Internet Explorer or MS Office for a month. If he can get that far, then he should have no problem with Ubuntu. I second the Ubuntu and OpenOffice (2.3+) recommendation. Based on my experience with a wife who's reluctant to try Linux (so she uses Firefox and Open Office on Windows) I'd venture to suggest that you can skip the one month trial and go directly to using Linux+OO+Firefox. But see below. If there are any specific, special application that your son uses, let us know so that we can recommend suitable replacements. Although some Just wait to hear what special requirements he has before going forward with that, but still might not need a full month of testing. Windows programs can be run in Linux, those methods are hacky and not recommended. What about running Vista under Linux (using Xen/VmWare/KVM/VirtualBox/Qemu)? Is there a reason he insists on using Vista and not XP? I am now running Solidworks in XP in Virtualbox and the performance is amazing. Even better than Solidworks at the university with XP running on the hardware. Vista would not be able to do that, but one runs applications, not OS. So long as his applications run under XP, and his machine has a reasonable amount of RAM, he should be fine. Note that if his machine already runs Vista, then he almost certainly has enough memory to run XP in virtualbox. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: SourceForge down?
2008/4/30 ronys [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Is it only me, or is sourceforge.net unavailable over the last few hours? I can't reach them from Netvision or from Bezeqint. Slashdot.org also seems down (both are owned by SourceForge Inc. - odd). Rony Down for me too. Actcom (Neqeq Beinleumi), Nesher. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: SourceForge down?
2008/4/30 ronys [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Is it only me, or is sourceforge.net unavailable over the last few hours? I can't reach them from Netvision or from Bezeqint. Slashdot.org also seems down (both are owned by SourceForge Inc. - odd). Rony Unexpected Slashdot Downtime http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/30/1455205 Netcraft confirmed it... Slashdot was dying for several hours (along with SourceForge which share a corporate overlord and router). Some planned downtime from our provider apparently didn't come back up quite as planned. Sorry for the inconvenience. On the upside, we're moving to a new network and hardware soon, so the site should be much faster and more stable rsn. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: SendSMS through orange account: the end?
2008/4/20 Oren Held [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks like they added a CAPTCHA. crap. - Oren Contact Orange and ask for a workaround. If you get through, then post their contact info and I will call them as well. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: a bit OT: cellular companies and new packages
2008/5/13 Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Since today (yesterday was the announcement), Cellcom, Orange and Pelephone are offering a more human packages for internet connection through your cellular phone/modem. I have done some digging in Cellcom and Orange packages, and I talked to representatives of both companies. My findings, if someone is interested, are here: http://benhamo.info/wp/?p=626 Thanks, Hetz You vary your units in the tables. In upload table you have one company measured in megabyte and the other two in kilobyte. Normalize. Also, in the download table you only write mega. Mega-what? megawatts? megameters? Don't assume that I know that we download in megabytes Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.info/wp/ I have not read your blog yet, but I am always skeptical of things that are 'new' or 'revolutionary'. You might want to include jaded and experienced in addition to lazy. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey there, Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales Join the revolution :) If the device has full Hebrew support, then I am very interested. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/5/31 Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support. Language support is in the UI, not in the Linux kernel. However, I see that there is a Hebrew translation team, so I will try to contact them tomorrow and ask how far along the project is. I can help with the translation as well, so long as they accept patches. I am not a developer, so I will not maintain the patches myself without experienced help. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/5/31 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it. At the price of US$369, then add 17% and convert to shekelim: http://www.google.com/search?q=(369*117%2F100)%20usd%20in%20shekels ((369 * 117) / 100) * U.S. dollar = 1 381.40781 Israeli shekels That's not so bad. Let's say that it could be had for 1500 NIS. I would pay it. If someone has a contact coming to Israel from the US, then that might help too. This is obviously not business as the phones are not intended for retail sale, but rather for distribution between friends. That's what we are, no? For what else do people help each other with computer problems for free, if not friendship. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Openmoko software can run on an emulator, so we can potentially test and/or fix its Hebrew support even before we get the devices. Excellent, lets get started. I don't think that it's a good idea to get super-organized as I want this to remain a private endeavor (not business) for import duty reasons. If someone wants to start checking things out (Hebrew support, import possibilities, contacts traveling from America) then please do. I won't be able to for the next two weeks (Moed B exams at Technion) but after that I will be able to do some investigating myself. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
Hi Shachar, I may get around to adding Hebrew support, if and when I get my hands on a device. Might I mention a preference for Qt? I plan on learning Qt for some KDE development, and if I can run it on the phone too that would be great. why 17%? where does that number come from? I thought that was the tax. According to http://62.219.95.10/misimmeruk/taxesconc.aspx the number should be 32.8%, of which 15.5% is VAT and 15% is import tax. As a business, you can claim the VAT part back through the usual means. I would rather pay the VAT and not be a business. Anyways, as has been mentioned before, importing a phone into israel is much more difficult than paying the tax for it. Check out http://www.mof.gov.il/customs/doar1.htm#10b According to someone who is trying to get a license to import these commercially, you can only do personal import for under four units. Trying to commercially import a cellular phone is a huge headache. It does not appear that group sale to Israel will be possible. Can a group of people do a personal import of more than four units? Who would I contact about that? This most certainly is not a business. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/6/1 Doron [Ofek BIZ] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As I promised to Shachar after the process if someone want to buy the device - I will help , as far as I can. In the next few months the Neo Freerunner, a consumer-ready device, should be brought to market. I would be interested in purchasing the device assuming that it has Hebrew support for receiving and sending SMS, the addressbook, and the calendar application. I do not need a Hebrew-language interface, but all user-data should be Hebrew. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding the state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages. Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If Openmoko intends to be open in the sense that it is available to everyone, then I would expect that support for LTR, RTL, TTB, and other methods of writing should be a core part of the UI, not tacked on later. I should probably bring this up on the Openmoko list, but I am not subscribed and there are those who can better argue the point than me. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
I will ask on the Openmoko list about their current thoughts on Qt support. Tell me, though, what openmoko products are even available at the moment? The Neo 1973 seems to be out of production, and the Freerunner is not yet available. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Openmoko Group sale
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What's wrong with RTL support in GTK? Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support. Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ETK have? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are confusing two completely different things. It is one thing to claim adding accessibility support to the product will increase its cost, and not increase its market share enough, to make the product non-commercially viable. This claim, essentially, says it's not a choice between accessible and an inaccessible software, it's a choice between inaccessible software and no software at all. Under those circumstances, I can understand the trade off. Neither you, I, nor anyone else have the right to tell someone to do what THEY do our way. However, at least in my eyes, that was not the discussion on the openmoko community list. Christen definitely thought that was what I asked (and who knows, maybe it was and I wasn't aware of it), but at least to me what I asked that accessibility (or, in this case, RTL support) be *considered* when technologies are evaluated. There is a major problem between someone making an deaf inaccessible MP3 player and someone making a deaf inaccessible shoot them up. In the former case, the cost of trying to make it accessible is a major part of the development cost. In the later, merely keeping in mind that deaf people would also be playing this is all it really takes. Part of the problem, and this is not the first time I see this happening, is that free software developers think that because things are free, it means they do not need to be accountable. There is some measure of truth to that line of thinking when things are completely transparent. If the decision to dump GTK and go ETK were held on an open mailing list where everyone had a chance to voice their opinions then I would certainly understand why someone coming in late in the game and saying you have to change your already arrived at decision would be disregarded. This was not the case here, however. What happened here is that the decision was taken as it is with proprietary software companies - one day we wake up and we find the decision has already been taken, and the only one around to explain it is the same person who wrote ETK, and is as open to criticism about it as a mother is to criticism about her child. In my eyes, the less transparent you are about your decision making process, the more accountable you are about the end result. THIS is my main criticism about this process. It is entirely possible that moving to ETK was the right move, unfortunate BiDi state and all. Without knowing the reasoning, I have no way to tell. Shachar I think that you are seeing the situation exactly how it is, because after reading the thread I deduced the same conclusion. When I must make a decision between two competing products, I usually evaluate the disadvantages of each, as opposed to the advantages. The advantages will add 'little features' that one may or may not need. Yet, it is the disadvantages that will cause major headaches and possibly derail a project. I assume that the developer in question had not considered the disadvantages of his toolkit, and worse, is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge the existance of disadvantages. That is not what I expect of a FOSS community project, and it really turns me off to that device. That is a shame, as I was very excited about the device until I knew about this situation. It would be the same for me had the device been built in a way that CJK would not be supported and RTL would be supported. Even if my demanded (note that I do not say preferred, even though as you see I am relatively fluent in English) language were available I would stay away from a device who's inherent design excludes a large population by some arbitrary decision. Maybe the ETK/GTK/Qt decision is not arbitrary, but from here it certainly seems so. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset
2008/6/6 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Tue, 03 Jun: decision. Maybe the ETK/GTK/Qt decision is not arbitrary, but from here it certainly seems so. don't blow it out of proportions either. it does come with GTK, just that the DEFAULT IMPLEMENTATION of the interface is not GTK. you can (and people probably have) implement it again in GTK with BiDi. You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128 MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Ubuntu is Dead - Stay Away
2008/6/6 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As I wrote on: http://community.livejournal.com/shlomif_tech/11379.html Ubuntu is dying as most of the bigwigs in its online community are infested with ego, ping-pong legitimate complaints to oblivion, and refuse to take responsibility for their own problems. The #ubunutu* channels suffer from fragmentation, over-specialisation, an obseesion with supposedly staying on-topic, and from ops who abuse their power. All of these are very unconventional on Freenode where they are hosted. This is despite the fact that I heard several horror stories about the fact that Ubuntu Hardy keeps hanging, and that it seems to be one of the worst Ubuntu versions in recent years. If the Ubuntu community is unable to effectively take responsiblity for their actions and do a serious soul-searching, then I fear (and hope) that people will flee out of Ubuntu like mice out of a sinking ship. At a time like this, I'm glad I stayed with Mandriva. Regards, Shlomi Fish Thanks for your input, Shlomi. I move to Ubuntu from Fedora on my daily driver a little over a year ago. I find it to 'just work' with all my laptop's hardware, including the card reader, wifi, bluetooth, media buttons, x1400 graphics card and 1680x1050 monitor. The support on the mailing lists is very good, though I will admit not on the same professional level as on the Fedora (or Debian) lists. Although I do prefer the philosophy and professionalism of Fedora, and to a lesser extent Debian, I find that with Ubuntu I don't need to babysit my software. I can install the OS in less than an hour and that's it. No week of troubleshooting, no month of ironing out little details, no living with little bugs for the life of the release. I will look through the Ubuntu list for your hanging issue, and I'll try to shed some light on the problem if I can. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Ubuntu is Dead - Stay Away
2008/6/6 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Ely! Thanks for your comment. On Friday 06 June 2008, Ely Levy wrote: No offense, but it seems you just had some bad experience with an op on a channel. Not just one op - several of them. They kept ping-ponging me from one place to another, and no-one would listen to what I wanted to say ro care to. from that to declaring a distribution as dead there is a long distance. I picked up the sensationalistic title on purpose - Ubuntu has gone from pretty good to extremely bad. So someone misquoted you and thought you are sexist, big deal move on. I did move on. Not to mention check out how many channels gentoo has (and how obsessed they are on staying on topic). or debian or actually most community developed distributions I know. Well, it doesn't make Ubuntu any less worse. It's the a problem of many - a consolation of fools fallacy. I think the comment you got for your bug report was true and polite, It was not polite - it was laconic and annoying, and he didn't help me solve my problems, or instruct me how to do so. bugzilla is not a place for community issues, there are forums mailing list and so on. Then how do you explain Bug #1? It is a place for all sorts of bugs and issues - community, philosophical - anything that prevents one from receiving help, joining the fun and contributing to it. Without a bug report open somewhere, these issues tend to persist, or even worsen. So calm down, take a deep breath, go for a round around the block :) I did that. Then I'm sure you will find the right people to address, complain to ubuntu ethics about that person or just forgive and forget there are annoying people in every community :) Why not the bug tracker? And if not the bug tracker then where. Like I said I still think Ubuntu is dying. Regards, Shlomi Fish Could you provide links to the bugs and mailing lists posts that have troubled you. I'm interested. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Ubuntu is Dead - Stay Away
2008/6/6 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could you provide links to the bugs and mailing lists posts that have troubled you. I'm interested. They are linked in my original post, but here they are anyway: It was so clear that I read right past it. Sorry. 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/%2Bbug/237852 - this is the bug, which contains more links. Read it again. I put my two cents in. 2. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-June/001544.html - this is the introduction that I sent to the Ubuntu-Women mailing lists. I should note that I consulted an Ubuntu-Women member I know on GChat on it and she said it was OK, and also consulted other people on IRC and IM. You can see the rest of the thread here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-June/thread.html#1544 Er, Shlomi, your introduction to that mailing list was scary. Remember, the girls have their own section because they don't want to deal with us. Don't force your way in, and certainly not with a spill-all-the-details essay for an introduction. If you want to talk more about that, maybe we are better off in private email. 3. The infamous Ubuntu bug #1 is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 it reads Microsoft has a majority market share and is marked as critical. If it's a software problem with Ubuntu, then I am a Jackalope. I question that myself, in your bug. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset
2008/6/7 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128 MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. a. this was exactly my point about adding in QT support, it made no sense adding a fourth toolkit to a platform that may already be overloaded with 3. I think that Qt was one of the three, the other two being ETK and GTK. b. like I said REIMPLEMENT. the platform comes with three toolkits, but the basic apps runs on the least rich of the three (no doubt because it's the leanest). However if you live in a country that needs RTL and other features, no one is stoping you from implementing all those base apps in a different toolkit to add those fetures. In fact I have no doubt somewhere someone already started. that was you use a heavier toolkit, but can use it for everything. Yes, the _entire_ _interface_ can most certainly be rewritten. That means that there will be no support for users of the rewritten interface, just as KDE users should not expect help with their desktop in Gnome support channels. And with an extremely small developer pool for the rewritten interface, the user would be in a _worse_ position than had he used a proprietary application unless he is a developer himself. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset
to me this means as if OpenMoko expect Qtopia will be the more popular chice and GTK is that just for conveniance, am I wrong? I will ask on the OpenMoko list and get back to you. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset
2008/6/8 Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jun 06, 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote about Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. When I first used X-Windows, the computer I used it on (a Sun machine) had a weaker CPU and less memory than what you describe. I don't remember having any problems running at the same time software using multiple toolkits, like Xlib (e.g., xterm), Xaw (which was once popular), Openlook (well, it was a Sun), Tcl/Tk (this used to be my favorite), Motif, and even GTK (which appeared with Gimp circa 1995). The fact that software is bloated and sucks isn't a fact of nature and wasn't even always true. It can, and should be, fixed. There is absolutely no reason why a toolkit like GTK should bloat the software that uses it. If OpenMoku can't use GTK because it's too bloated - then please place blame where blame is due, i.e., on GTK, not on OpenMoku. (Sorry for being harsh, and you can always refer to my signature below :-). Although I agree that GTK may be bloated, the fact that the current development model of the OpenMoko phone _requires_ one to use two toolkits is the rootof my complaint. I am referring to the model of using a dev's pet toolkit instead of the superior GTK / Qt toolkit. I call GTK / Qt superior because they support the funcionality that many people need, such as RTL in our specific case. ETK _may_ be a good toolkit, but the dev who mothers it does not say why ETK is a better choice than GTK or Qt, so there is no way to argue _for_ ETK. I would love to know what is so great about ETK, really, I would. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Ubuntu is Dead - Stay Away
2008/6/8 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In that case, bug #1 is a very bad joke, and a very bad bug. A project's bug-tracker is not a place for such jokes (unless on April Fools, and then they should be closed). Certain people in certain forums can bend the rules. Your professor can answer his phone in the middle of a lecture, and the owner of a restaurant can eat the food without paying the bill. You are not in the power or social position to bend the rules in the Ubuntu community. Neither am I. Well, If you have a problem with something in an open source project you may talk about it. It might even bring to a change, but saying something like Ubuntu is dead will not make more people to believe you. People will just tag you as a troll. I chose the sensationalist topic on purpose to indicate how bad the situation is. That is a bad way to introduce oneself. I do not claim exceptional social skills, but I know what is *wrong*. That is wrong. I'm sorry but all this sounds to me like Oy Oy Oy! nobody wants to listen to the important things I have to say. Ubuntu will be here for a while whether you like it or not. It's a great entry point for newcomers and I, for one, welcome our new Shuttleworthian overlords. I don't welcome any overlords whatsoever, especially if they are as abusive, lack as much focus, are full of hubris and self-pompousness and are as bad as Ubuntu are. That was a Slashdot / Simpsons reference. You might enjoy that site: http://slashdot.org You can probably guess my username there. Ubuntu may be here for a while, but I expect it to heavily decline in popularity in the near future, and I'll certainly recommend everyone to switch to Mandriva, MEPIS, Debian, CentOS or whatever, or not use *Ubuntu in the first place. From what I've seen Ubuntu has only risen in popularity, especially because they manage to keep the trolls at bay. I'm sorry, Shlomi, but you came off as a troll. I only say this to help you, not to hurt you, and I hope that you take this constructive criticism in a positive manner. I know that you are not a troll, and that you only want to help, and I am trying to show you how to take the troll mask off. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Ubuntu is Dead - Stay Away
2008/6/8 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ubuntu-Women is about promoting women in Ubuntu and FOSS in general - it's not for women exclusively. It is for woman in general, and you are not a woman. Tell us, why are you so stubborn about being a personality there? I don't have a problem with calling people feminazis or nazis or whatever. But the people on Ubuntu-women do. I didn't dis LinuxChix too much, and I've talked with a few people who share my opinions of them. I said I fully supported the women liberation movement. I didn't mention affirmative action anywhere, just said that I hated government intervention in trying to promote women. That is very off-topic for that mailing list. You were trolling. Third, believe me, when you intruduce yourself as having a mental illness (or philosophical mood, or whatever you call it) It is a mental illness. I said it's a Hypomania. Just because you have an illness does not mean that your should introduce yourself with Hi, I have an illness. Actually, you shouldn't. You should already know that much. and curly black hair which expands radially (?) I was describing myself. I also thought that it sounds phallic. Women are even more sensitive to that than we are, so if Nadav and me picked up on it, then image what the women felt! and as someone who got banned from LinuxChix - this can be understood as just one of two things - either your are creepy, or you're trying to appear creepy (i.e., a troll). Neither of these things are welcome on any mailing list, not just this one. No, you're wrong. He is right and he is trying to help you, as am I. Do you want to argue, or do you want to learn where you erred? Fourth, you storm into a mailing list thinking that you're its saviour, and know how to solve all its problems. This thinking isn't welcome on any mailing list, and certainly not when you're a man on a woman's mailing list. I didn't do that - I just given my thoughts on how to best promote women in FOSS. You should have been very clear about that, and that only. If that was truely your goal, then it should not have been buried in the rest of the letter, which looked like trolling. Fifth, you go into a mailing list with a specific technical goal, and start talking about general issues like Life vs. Death. That is bound to annoy people. I tried to set the philosophical background. Nobody wants that, Shlomi. That background was hardly even welcome in ancient Athens, and less so today. They gave you the proverbial hemlock, and rightly so. If you had made just one of these mistakes, I am guessing you'd be forgiven. But making them all at once??? Again, you get an F in applied logic. But maybe you're right. Good to see that you are learning. We are trying to assist because we care, and not to attack you or make you defensive. No. the Ubuntu-women mailing list is meant to promote Women in Linux. It's not Regardless of that, my unsubscription and then the IRC ping-pong and I won't take any responsibility attitude and then closing the bug was not the proper way to deal with this. See for example: Shlomi, isn't it obvious to you that the way that Ubuntu's mailing lists and IRC channels are run have almost *NOTHING* to do with the quality of the OS they produce? Maybe it doesn't. But I heard too many horror stories about Ubuntu Hardy. Open-source is all about community. As I said, Ubuntu is now: 1. Full of hubris and self-righteousness. 2. Hostlie to potential contributors. 3. Too fragmented, over-specialised and tries to stays on-topic. 4. No one takes responsiblity for any of their problems. 5. Has too much red-tape. 6. Over-hyped and has too much irrational zealtory. All of this spell doom for them. That is quite off-topic for trying to promote women in FOSS. Stay on a topic, or at least don't slide from controversial topic to controversial topic. That is what trolls do. If Microsoft Windows's forum had been very friendly, would you switch to that OS instead? No, because the Mandriva community is healthy and I appreciate the freedom given in Mandriva. I may also consider FreeBSD, CentOS, Debian, MEPIS, etc. as appropriate, but certainly not Ubuntu. Until at least Ubuntu gets their cat together and improve. Might I suggest that you simply abandon Ubuntu-bashing and continue to promote those distros that you love? I am not offended, but you will see that even in Fedora forums (the only ones of those that you mention that I have experience with) that Ubuntu-bashing (and MS-bashing) will only get you labeled as a troll. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset
2008/6/7 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: to me this means as if OpenMoko expect Qtopia will be the more popular chice and GTK is that just for conveniance, am I wrong? I asked on the Openmoko list and they said to look at these threads. I am simply too swamped with studies to check now. Here they are: Please see the LONG threads: - Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update) - Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions) - clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK - Qtopia Vs. GTK or both? - Qte or Qt? at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/thread.html Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: SIP gateway providers in Israel?
2008/6/15 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Today I also learned from GBY this is called DID which is an annoying TLA to search for, since it's such a common english word, but that's life. You think that's a bad acronym to google for? You have obviously never looked for the Allocation de Solidarité Spécifique. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word alignment, and that really has nothing to do with the problem at hand, which is directionality. You wish the various pieces of the text to be correctly ordered from right to left. If they just justify it to the right, it would be a great waste of votes, and that's what the word alignment implies. Thanks, Maoz, please add that information to the bug. I am not sure that I understand the difference nor am I poetic enough in the Queen's language to properly express it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My suggestion? Nag the distributions. They have resources (=developers) which can be spent in this subject, they can really make a difference. So far, none of the distros are paying for a developer in the RTL/BiDI field - and this is why KDE4 and (somettimes...) gnome are licking balls in this area. Here, nag with me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde4/+bug/244228 BTW, WTF is this garbage? Is this opera writing shit, or badly sent email? I don't see it in KMail Is that from my sig? If so then it should be the Hebrew alphabet. I put it there to parse incorrectly-encoded replies on mailing lists, which helps me refine the http://gibberish.co.il website. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What bothers me even more is that this is just KDE working as it should. The bug is in kate and the rest of the programs that decided not to have bidi support. There is NO way to provide a generic solution to this problem at the toolkit level. Shachar At what level do you suggest that the directionality shortcut be added to KDE apps, as is the case in Mozilla apps? I will file a bug at the place that you suggest, Shachar. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: P.s. Herouth is her first name Sorry, I did not even recognize that as a Hebrew name until not. The o and the h confused me into not recognizing it. Anyway, I'm sure in the army she was called Maoz by people less nice than me! Love it! It's gibberish cookies encoding Not the most polite of things to do, but still brilliant. Politeness is not my intention in the lines below my name. That's business! Everything above my name, however, is worded for respect and politeness, or so I try. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Herouth Maoz wrote: Or am I missing something here? How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running program - disk - running program) if the application is unaware of the directionality? I'm not as technically inclined as you, so I may be missing something obvious here, but I think that the application will know which direction because I tell it, via the keyboard shortcut. If it's LTR and I want RTL I hit Ctrl-Alt-X and vice versa. Try it in a Mozilla app. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And what will happen when you save, close your application, and then reload the document? Wouldn't you expect your Ctrl-Alt-X to be remembered? That requires application support, there is no way[1] to do that using the toolkit. No, I wouldn't expect that. It would be nice if the app remembers in what directionality the text was typed, but I don't want to sacrifice to ability to type RTL just because the app won't remember how I typed it. In fact, I want to be able to choose the direction, and not have the app choose it for me. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is an old usenet tradition that is still honored by many modern mail clients. If you put a line containing just two dashes and a space (i.e. - -- ), many mail clients will understand that to mean that that's where the signature begins. As a result, hitting reply will not quote it and other nice things. Shachar Like this? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Iglu down?
I'm getting these errors when cc'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is anyone else experiencing this? This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Iglu down?
2008/7/1 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The linux-il list is hosted on the huji (Hebrew University) servers. The official address for it (as in the address the software knows) is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Up until about a year ago the list also had two aliases: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] About a year ago, quoting spam problems (personally, I never managed to understand why) the list's admin disabled the two aliases, leaving only the master address active. I see. I never understood why there were two addresses, and I usually just cc'ed them both as that's what most people seem to be doing. I will only write to linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il now. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.
2008/6/30 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My first advice is to lie about the OS. Sadly that's the case. Or tell them you have another pc with windows and you have the same problem. They will ask you to click on all sorts of things as the idiot with the checklist checks things off. This route leads to them knowing that we lied! 2nd advice, tell them that you checked at a neigbour and everything is ok. See their reaction on that. You are talking to people reading from a card. That contingency is not on the card it means nothing. 3. Business account, threaten them. You lose money. Assertive, that's the name of the game. Maybe. For the technical problems, try the following things: 1. reduce mtu to 1400-1450. That's what I was adviced from an expert. 2. When you ping change the size of the packet gradually. the default for ping on linux is 64 bytes. Try to increase it. I bet you will have more packet loss as you increase. 3. Install the program mtr and see exactly where the packet loss occurs. http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ No, they will tell you that their routers dropping mtr packets is normal. Look at this: http://dotancohen.com/images/examples/bezeq.html I get that when I cannot browse to google.com and slashdot.org. And they tell me that is normal. So the situation is that both Google.com and slashdot.org go down at the same time, but no one else on the internet notices, and that at the same time that their router dropping normal mtr packets. Once you pinpoint where the problem is, you can go to complain. Not sure it will help. I have the same saga with hot. ;-( Hot are even worse, because they don't want to admit. I am with Hot via Bezeq. If they say configure the router, ask them what parameters you should reconfigure. If they don't know, ask a superior person. Ha! They will say that they don't support routers. They want people to connect directly from a Windows computer. The packet loss is outside the country or in Israel? For me at least, Israeli sites work fine with the exception of the Technion websites. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.
2008/7/4 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Technion web site doesn't support ping not in and not out. So don't be surprised if you get the ???. No, but it supports http traffic and that often goes very slow. Amazingly, it does so at the same time as Slashdot and Google. And no one else on the interwebs noticed except me. Try a ftp transfer from technion and see the speed. The problem is intermittent. About the router, try the same thing without router. If the problem persists, you can tell them. I cannot connect with Linux without a router because their 'dialer' only runs on Windows. For http://dotancohen.com/images/examples/bezeq.html I can't see anything written. It's 1k. I saw the images from the examples directory. I saw similar patterns with bezeqint in my neighborhood. So, the mtr results are normal, or we both are getting bad service? Only a couple of the support people know what is mtr. From all my talks with support at 012, only 1 knew about mtr. You need to reach to higher levels of support. At 012 it's called network department. They support if you have few pc at home. Their level is higher than others who read from the page. In Hebrew would that be מחלקת הרשת? My brother has windows, when he had problems with internet, they had the famous sentence Something on your pc is blocking. go to restore. If that doesn't help, format the hd. And you know what else, they told him to use the microsoft built in firewall, nothing else. Here are some dns lists of all isp in israel http://www.petri.co.il/dns_ip_addresses_for_israeli_isps_he.htm try this also https://www.opendns.com/start I had considered opendns. Is it recommended? Was Israeli DNS _is_ recommended? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning
Is the difference between the 850 and 900 models hardware (ie, different anteneas) or software (programmed to use different frequencies)? Can one be converted to the other? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning
2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. It is very relevant to this list, and I've wondered the same thing myself. Radio transmitters need to be pretty locked down to get FCC approval. That's why there are so many problems with wifi cards under Linux. How open could the OpenMoko be and still get approval? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning
2008/7/10 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. Geoff. I can answer that. I hinted at it in my previous email. The guideline we followed was RMS's rule about when source code has to be delivered. If code running on a chip or set of chips can not be downloaded or updated or reprogrammed in any convenient way by the user (which in this context includes you, the open source developer), then for practical purposes it may be considered to be hardware, and thus source code is not required. (I like to think of this as similar to the Turing Test - if you can not determine from the outside whether it's implemented completely in hardware, or whether it consists of some form of firmware, then we call it hardware.) The GSM radio in Openmoko's Neo Freerunner is a black box. The interface is well defined (it's a serial port and implements the industry-standard cellphones extensions to the AT smart modem command set) and all code that communicates with the black box is open. Anything inside the black box can not be modified by developers, and thus received regulatory approval. Michael Thanks, Michael. Those bits of information are interesting. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Good corporate intranet site software?
2008/7/10 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. Attaching files is a bitch. 2. Formatting tables. ..snip.. Any other suggestions? Write a cheat-sheet that address these issues, mail it to all users, and link to it from the wiki homepage. Other issues will crop up as well (unforseen unforeseen problems) and they can be addressed in the same manner. Do far you've identified 2 trivial non-intuitive issues, which can be solved by providing step-by-step instructions. Solve them at the user level. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Good corporate intranet site software?
2008/7/12 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Write a cheat-sheet that address these issues, mail it to all users, and link to it from the wiki homepage. Other issues will crop up as well (unforseen unforeseen problems) and they can be addressed in the same manner. Do far you've identified 2 trivial non-intuitive issues, which can be solved by providing step-by-step instructions. Solve them at the user level. Thanks for the suggestion - I included lots of links to help pages and how-to's as soon as I installed it, That was the problem! Send _only_ the info regarding tables. Best yet if you paraphrase (meshajtev) it yourself. I demonstrated file upload and some users (the more technical ones, including the CEO) managed to upload files. But still they complain - they want something which will somehow allow them to use Word-like drag-and-drop table editing and intuitive file upload interface. The less technical users (including ones which I have never, and maybe will never, meet since they are on the other side of the world) just avoid editing pages. While I am usually all for making the software easier for non-technical users, you should not bend over backwards to help someone who is unwilling to learn something new in order to use a new tool. Write a very simple page (no more than one page) for the file uploads. Write a separate page for the tables. I was hoping that someone here knows about an existing extension (or maybe improvements in the core of later versions) but from the responses now it sounds like there isn't so I'll have to look for alternatives. Thanks, --Amos Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Ubuntu laptop hard drive heating up
2008/7/10 Ami Chayun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I installed Hardy on a friend's new Thinkpad X61 laptop, and I'm facing a serious problem. The laptop's hard drive heats up to unbearable temperature (hddtemp shows numbers over 50 degrees). When running smartctls, the hdd's Load_Cycle_Count is increased in an alarming rate. The web is filled with contradicting information on the effect. The (somewhat) official information I dug is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795327 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 The solutions offered there doesn't seem to help much. I remember this as an Ubuntu issue a while back, but I didn't expect to see it in 8.04. I'd appreciate any suggestions to debug and solve this, Ami On my Dell Inspiron I only notice the issue when on battery power, not on mains. Identify if this is the case with your Thinkpad. I have not yet found a solution for my Inspiron, and it persists in 8.04 as well for me. I just try to use mains as often as possible. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
On 2008-07-24, Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Has anyone here tried to get the Bezeq Internation, Barak or Netvision to get them off the blacklisting found here: http://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php Apparently all the Israeli ISP are blacklisted here (any host you put there in their hosting range) - and all because they don't have a policy of cleaning up their network from spammers. This means we are all losing emails we send because our ISPs are doing a bad job. The solution is to have Bezeq, Netvision, and the other Israeli ISPs to behave responsibly. I agree with blacklisting them until they clean up their act. That said, this is the reason that I do not trust _any_ ISP with my email. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
On 2008-07-24, Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, So you use an external service for emails? If so who? Otherwise, do you have you server in the US (or elsewhere) just for that? Yes, I have a server in the US for handling email to dotancohen.com. I use gmail for mailing lists. For those who cannot maintain their own server, I recommend a mail hosting service (can be have for $3 per month + domain for $7 per year) or webmail. Either way, be sure to back up locally! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/24 Imri Zvik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How many people in this list thinks it's a good idea? By default, yes. If someone needs to send email from localhost, let them specifically request it from their ISP. Then they can't claim stupid when SPAM is sent from their IP (be it static or dynamic). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/25 Imri Zvik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do you think any system was hacked? It seems you do not understand how it works - they don't hack into any ISP managed system. They don't need to. They either: 1. phish the username and password. 2. get it from *your* computer using a trojan. 3. try and guess easy passwords/usernames. 4. actually *buy* an account, pretending to be your average Moshe from Hulon customer. Spammers from abroad will mostly use methods 1 to 3. A very friendly and knowledgeable Frenchman from the Debian list just emailed me about an Israeli spammer that is sending him megabytes of spam everyday- in Hebrew! It appears that this is a case of (4) from your list. How do I determine the ISP from spam email headers? I'd like to call the ISP and complain with a voice, not an email. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/30 Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd say they should stop using it. If somebody has a dog that bites everybody who wears black or green, the solution is not everybody wearing orange and blue, the solution is to train the dog to behave properly or stop visiting them at all. If somebody uses RBL that has a cowboy attitude of block first, think maybe later then they need as much education by their users as ISPs do - up to stopping using their services and saying they are just harmful. During the years I've encountered my share of overzealous and irresponsible RBL maintainers, and sometimes the best way to deal with them is just not using them and saying others to not use them, period. This dog is not biting those who wear black or green. This dog is biting ISP's who let their users send spam. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/30 Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I hate spam as much as the next guy - probably more, since I have to keep publicly available mailing addresses for my job. But at the end it comes to the point where people who have nothing to do with spam or all those arguments around how to handle spam - they get harmed. They get their mails lost and their business disrupted. And when this happens and RBL people take position of we'll just block whatever we want and until everybody complies with our demands we'll not move then it is time to remind them they are not kings of the world either. If they do more harm then good, then it's time to show them the door. Blocking whole countries is no solution for spam and whoever does this is just behaving childishly and irresponsibly. I do not believe anybody seriously thinks the users will be better off getting no email from any Israeli address at all. I know that the Chinese are often blocked, as are a few select smaller nations with smart but underpaid techies, such as Romania and Pakistan. While I don't condone the practice, I understand the reasoning behind it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/31 Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This dog is blocking the mails I send from work. We have a small office. connected via ADSL. We got a static IP address and got the ISP to reference the PTR record of that IP to a host name in our domain. This makes most mail servers in the world happy. Bug that specific dog is angry because there were some cases of spam in our neighbourhood. So the whole subnet is blocked. Now should I ask our ISP to to block port 25 to make the dog happy? You shoud inform your ISP immediately that their service is being blocked because of spammers opertating from them. The ISP will either: 1) Work to fight the spammers, thus helping their legitimate customers and the internet at large. 2) Do nothing, thus sinking into the pit the spammers have made. You and I will suffer until we take our money to more responsible ISPs. Just because an ISP provides the pipe from your door to the Wild, Wild, Web does not mean that they have to handle your business mail, http, and other traffic. Get a dedicated server in Germany or the US. It will be plenty fast for Israeli use as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/8/1 Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just because an ISP provides the pipe from your door to the Wild, Wild, Web does not mean that they have to handle your business mail, http, and other traffic. Yes, it does mean exactly that, at least as long as no EXPLICIT statement was meant at the time the contract was entered into. I expect my ISP to route any and all packets without filtering anything. That sounds like you are using sendmail locally, whereas I thought that you are SMTPing to your ISP to use their sendmail. You shoud inform your ISP immediately that their service is being blocked because of spammers opertating from them. You are missing the point - mails don't get through not because of spammers, but because of stupidity of some operators (not the OP's ISP). Those operators are subscribing to a blacklist, which has blacklisted your ISP because of spam coming from your ISP. If someone else decides to drop traffic, there is little that my ISP can do beyond complaining to the filtering party (NB: in the context of this discussion it is not the blacklist maintainer but whoever uses their services or similar stupid policies to filter). If the complaint is ignored, there is nothing the ISP can do. Your ISP should take reasonable measures to prevent spam from being send through it. Your ISP can then petition the blacklist with the changes they have made to be removed. Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I had emails lost because a foreign ISP (not mine) filtered it out. It was explicitly a policy of that ISP to live on an island, they did not target my ISP or Israel or known spammers or anything like that (the policy was stated on their web page, I got the URL in the reject notification email, etc.). They are living on a island and trusting the blacklist provider to know who not to let on their island. Would you suggest that they let _everyone_ on? Do you have any idea how much spam they would have to deal with? You could suggest that they use a more lenient blacklist. I do understand that the blacklist is question is rather strict. In that particular case, I simply decided I would live without sending any emails to people who were stupid enough to use their services. It was their problem, not mine. I could not possibly ask my ISP to fix it. You should report this to your ISP anyway. They _may_ be willing to take countermeasures against the spammers. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Iglu site down?
I cannot reach http://www.iglu.org.il/ for several days. Even http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com is timing out. Can others confirm/deny these findings from where you are? I am in Nesher, connecting via HOT and BezeqBeinleumi (Actcom zl). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Iglu site down?
2008/8/4 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. Restores iglu to its old state, precisely. Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be done? Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the sake of TFA? If you tell me what you were looking for in iglu, I can perhaps direct you to the new location (or make sure the new info is up), and thus we can make everyone's life better :-). If you also have specific links, I can even make sure we have a redirect. I want to see which Israeli LUG mailing lists exist. Specifically, the Tel Aviv list seems to have been hosted there. A Sun representative is interested in flying to Israel and giving a lecture on OpenSolaris to a few Israeli LUGs, and asked me to find out which LUGs are interested. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Iglu site down?
2008/8/5 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be done? Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the sake of TFA? There is a backup of all the site's data on the tux server. I can use it to restore iglu.org.il from there given the relevant ability. Just to clear things up before Shahar steps in: you can do that with a regular account that has ssh write access to /var/www/public-html, no? I want to see which Israeli LUG mailing lists exist. See: http://www.hamakor.org.il/mailing-lists/ How dumb I am, I even have that bookmarked! But instead I went straight to Google and did not even look at my bookmarks... There are links to all the LUG sites here: http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/resources/israel/guide-to-israeli-foss-resources/ Thanks! There are some resources that look good here. What does Zionism mean? - http://xrl.us/bjn8u I think that was intended for a different audience, perhaps included by mistake. You do realize that this is an _Israeli_ and primarily _Jewish_ forum, no? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
OpenSolaris lectures: please ask your LUGs.
A representative of Sun is interested in flying to Israel to lecture at interested LUGs in regard to OpenSolaris. I had tried to sign up for all the LUGs and ask separately, but this is impossible for me right now. Please ask your local Israeli LUG if they would like a lecture from a Sun representative regarding OpenSolaris. Any interest in the lectures can be answered here, or I can be contacted at 054-788-1700. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenSolaris lectures: please ask your LUGs.
2008/8/6 Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As I wrote you already, I'm interested in such a lecture for Herzelinux. Thanks, noted! Who is the representative (is he marketing, engineering etc.) and what are the dates he's going to be here etc.? I believe that his field of expertise is security. The dates are not yet determined, as Isreali LUG interest has yet been determined. After a day or two of this thread, I will let him know how many Israeli LUGs have expressed interest and then Sun will decide if/when to send him. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenSolaris lectures: please ask your LUGs.
Here are the details as I have them: 1) Right now, I am only checking interest in Israel. Maybe there isn't enough interest to fly someone over? 2) Assuming that enough interest is generated, I do not know when the rep will be able to come. Maybe this month? Maybe this year? So for those who are interested, please let me know: 1) Which Israeli LUG you represent. 2) Where you meet. 3) Which day of the week / which hour is best for you. The rep will need this to coordinate his schedule. If you can provide an alternative date/time as well that will be good as two interested LUGs may meet at the same hour. 4) An estimate of turnout. If only six people show up for a lecturer from Hul, that would not be very honourable. I have spoken with Shimon of the Open University and Shlomi Fish from Tel Aviv university. I know that Herzlinux is interested as well. Please pass this opportunity on to other Israeli LUGs that you know of, especially if they do not have representation on the Linux-IL list. Thanks to all. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenSolaris lectures: please ask your LUGs.
2008/8/7 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not from Tel Aviv University. I'm a Technion Alumnus who just happens to be an organiser of the Tel Aviv Linux Club (now OSDClub Tel Aviv), which gathers at Tel Aviv University. There is a different person who works at TAU and manages this aspect of the club. So I'm Shlomi Fish from OSDClub Tel Aviv not from TAU. Rut, thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OT: stopping google from showing swik.net results
2008/8/5 Erez D [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi for some time now, whenever i search for something in google, the first results i get are another search via a site called swik.net i want to disable these results as it is just a waste of time for me trying to search how to block it, i got results from swik.net ... how can i disable this (and any other parasite like this) I think that the Better Google Firefox Extension lets you filter certain spam websites. I have had to do this in the pas with swik, about, and some other annoyances. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OT: stopping google from showing swik.net results
2008/8/6 Aviv Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't know about swik, but there is this site: http://www.givemebackmygoogle.com/ - that is a google wrapper site with many garbage searches removed. Thanks for that, Aviv. Nice! The site's idea could very easily be turned into a Firefox quick search, or adapted to one's own purpose with a local HTML file and a GET request. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: OpenSolaris lectures: please ask your LUGs.
I am now giving the list of interested Israeli LUGs to Sun, so if anyone else is interested please contact me today. 2008/8/6 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A representative of Sun is interested in flying to Israel to lecture at interested LUGs in regard to OpenSolaris. I had tried to sign up for all the LUGs and ask separately, but this is impossible for me right now. Please ask your local Israeli LUG if they would like a lecture from a Sun representative regarding OpenSolaris. Any interest in the lectures can be answered here, or I can be contacted at 054-788-1700. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [Haifux] New Welcome to Linux Series
2008/8/11 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all! (Sorry for the English message, but English is the standard on some of the mailing lists here). Well, now that August Penguin is behind us - it's time to organise the next event - the Welcome to Linux series. I set up a page for co-ordination on the www.hackers.org.il wiki: http://www.hackers.org.il/mediawiki/index.php/W2L-2008 Please look at it, and see how you can contribute. See the Todo at the bottom. I'll update the welcome.linux.org.il site soon. Which clubs are planning to host a W2L series this year? I'm going to organise it for Telux, but need more information for other clubs. There's a lot to do, but we have time. Please comment. Regards, Shlomi Fish I signed up for the list. What kind of contacts do you need? I can be your man on the ground in Haifa, but to be honest, I really don't know much beyond the Fedora and Kubuntu GUIs in KDE. That said, I have helped a few people switch from Windows to Linux and I am familiar with most of the issues regarding such a switch in general and specific to Israel. I can help with installations and configuration of KDE including Hebrew GUI, consulting for end-users considering switching to Linux, and data migration from Windows. Note that is migration, not dual-boot, which I discourage. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: postil.com not working in FF or Konqueror
2008/8/14 Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, The Israeli Post web site used to work with FF and Konqueror, but now it doesn't anyone knows how you can reach them and complain? No fire broke out when I went to the postil.com website and began navigating. It works fine for me in Firefox 3 on Kubuntu 8.04. If you would tell us what specific features did not work for you then I will: 1) Try them and confirm 2) Write both email and snail mail to the post office complaining 3) Call the post office and complain 4) Go into the Technion branch of the post office and complain. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: postil.com not working in FF or Konqueror
2008/8/17 Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Apparently they fixed it. Excellent, thanks. I did notice that there is a very brief redirect when first visiting the postil.com website, so fast that I did not have time to read the text on the screen. Maybe that is related? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: postil.com not working in FF or Konqueror
2008/8/17 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From what I remember, the problematic features are: 3. Feedback form. The PHB obviously is convinced that if there are no complaints, then there are no problems! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Linux related spam?! [Fwd: בואו להיות מומחי לינוקס]
2008/8/17 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: his two brothers are married to two sisters of my wife's brother wife. No, I'm not making this up Forget making it up. What does it mean? :-) That the family tree grows straight up. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: postil.com not working in FF or Konqueror
2008/8/18 Arie Skliarouk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you would tell us what specific features did not work for you then I will: Start with טופס הצטרפות on https://bank.postil.com/BMeida.html Sorry for the delay, I am in the middle of exams and I could not take care of this. I would have no problem testing the tofes htzarfut however I have no account with the postal bank to sign up with. Are you in Haifa? If you can get to the Technion then I would like to sit with you, try to sign up with the form, and then write a long, detailed letter to Postil. In fact, I just wrote one today to Clalit complete with screenshots. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: postil.com not working in FF or Konqueror
I see now, the submit button does not work in Firefox. I wrote to them this: אני צריך להירשם לשירות המקוון של postil אבל הטופס הצטרפות אינו עובד. אני לוחץ על כפתור שלח ושוב דבר לא קורה. נא לתקן את האתר ולהודיע לי כשהעיניין מתופל. בתודה מראש. However, I got this message upon submitting the form: Error- This page can't be displayed due to a security violation or typing not allowed characters.Contact support for additional information 02-6290370 Did my message get received? Did it go to /dev/null? So I called the number and the man asked Which internet do you have? The site does not work with Firefox. before I even told him what browser. These were his exact, confidence-inspiring words: איזה אינטרנט יש לך? Some technician! As I am calling at 18:45 he suggested that I call back in the morning to speak to a senior tech. I will. Another bit of stupidity: I put my phone number in as 054-7881700 and I got a JavaScript popup complaining about nonnumerical characters in the phone field. What an idiot programmer: phone fields should accept [0-9():space:\-\.] because those are the common deliminators used. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Small victories, but more work to be done
Today I got a letter from YNET that they are moving their videos to Flash from WMV to support Firefox and Linux users. Nice move, and they will have me visiting their website, and their advertisers, as soon as the change happens. I have spoken with technical support at postil twice by telephone, and they are aware of the problems of using the bank.postil.com website with Firefox and are promising a new website soon. Both Leumit and Macabi have promised me new Firefox-compatible websites soon. All these companies now show that they are aware that Firefox exists, they are aware that people are using it, and they are aware that their websites do not work with Firefox. They all promise to support Firefox soon. Soon is not enough anymore, however, as we've been hearing that for at least a year now. Please, please, write a letter or pick up the phone and contact these companies to let them know that we, their paying customers, need their services to work in a standards-compatible way. Now is the time to pressure them, because they acknowledge that we exist. Ynet: http://www.ynet.co.il/home/0,7340,L-824,00.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ynet, רח' יגאל אלון 127, תל אביב, 67443 Postil: http://www.israelpost.co.il/postquestion.nsf/questionform?Openform 1-599-500-171 Leumit: 1-700-507-507 1-800-396-333 02-572-2442 Maccabi: http://www.maccabi-health.co.il/site/HE/macabi.asp?pi=32 1-700-50-53-53 03-5143501 If you know of other Israeli websites that do not work in Firefox or Linux, please mention them and I will contact them. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Small victories, but more work to be done
2008/8/27 Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm a bit curious - why do you consider changing from WMV to Flash important for Linux or Firefox users? Because I personally have never been able to play embedded WMV in the browser on Linux, yet I've never had a problem playing embedded Flash. WMV as a standalone file plays fine in VLC and Mplayer, though. Additionally, I understand that Windows Firefox users have a hard time playing WMV content in Firefox, yet the Flash plugin must be easy to install. This is more a victory for Firefox than for Linux, but promoting Firefox at any website set precedent for other sites to be Firefox-friendly, or in other words, not require IE. At least they are admitting that not everyone can be forced to use IE. Last time I checked, most Linux distributions could play neither WMV nor Flash movies out of the box, but software to do both is available for free. Software to play WMV is even available as free software (e.g., mplayer)? Or am I missing something? For playing standalone files, yes. Content embedded in the browser is another matter. I think we have a much, much, bigger problem with sites (the most notorious are the banks) which instead of using ordinary links and (if they must) standard Javascript, use IE-specific tricks. You can't get around these problems by installing any additional software... Correct 100%. Please let me know which banks those are and I will write to them and call them. I encourage you to do the same. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
MSO in Wine: Hebrew backwards.
I must install MS Office in Wine on Ubuntu Linux. It installs fine, but the Hebrew is backwards. Googling the problem led me to this video, which illustrates the problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19I2qaykE6w Does anyone know how to fix this? I am on a full UTF-8 Hebrew locale, if that is relevant. I installed MS Office 2003 in English on Kubuntu 8.04. Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: MSO in Wine: Hebrew backwards.
2008/9/3 Avi Rozen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BiDi is currently broken in Wine: http://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__open__product=content=shachar%40shemesh.biz I had to install MSO on a full blown virtual PC (virtualbox-ose, Debian/Lenny). Works nicely - and it's damn fast. I see, thanks. Although I do run a virtual PC for Solidworks, I was hoping to have MSO in a bit more accessible and integrated manner. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: MSO in Wine: Hebrew backwards.
2008/9/4 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. A request that technologies developed stay in Israel. 2 is a problem for FOSS. While I have heard of companies that managed to convince the CS to fund a project where some of the work went into FOSS (and, in fact, Wine), it was as part of a larger project that was proprietary. I have not heard of the CS funding a purely FOSS project. The fact that you are focusing on BiDi support suggests that while the technology you develop would be _available_ outside Israel, there is little to no need for it outside Israel and thus it's use would be almost exclusively in Israel. Arabic and Persian users will enjoy your efforts, and that is outside Israel, but it is obvious that your efforts are meant to further the development of the technology specifically for the Israeli market. Furthermore, from familiarity with the wine mailing list, there is almost zero request for BiDi support from Arabic users, versus very many requests from Hebrew users. Also, Arabic and Persian users would have additional issues to the BiDi issues, which you would not be addressing. I am certain that someone with a bit of talent could reword my previous paragraph in a form that would be very convincing that the technologies you would develop would stay, for all intents and purposes in any useful form, in Israel. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Financing for Wine BiDi
2008/9/4 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Omer Zak wrote: Are there Israeli companies, which deploy Linux solutions, and for which it is worthwhile to avoid dual-booting or virtual machines yet support clients, who still have legacy MS-Windows applications? Yes and no. No, no such company will pick up the price tag on its own. Yes, if the infrastructure work is done, the remaining part would be economical for companies. It's a case of putting money to, potentially, get some back. Shachar What order of magnitude are we looking at? It is very hard to state someone needs to come up with X shekels / euros / dollars without knowing whereabout X lies. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Financing for Wine BiDi
2008/9/4 Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: See one of my previous E-mail messages. We are looking at 60K NIS. If we can round up a group of companies with total of 600 potential Wine users, then this should be doable - with 100NIS/head, the companies would save costs of dual-booting, VM deployments and licenses on extra copies of MS-Windows XP that they'd otherwise need. --- Omer Thanks, Omer. I'll sign up for the first four spots: me, the wife, the daughter, and another on the way. That's another 596 heads to find. I will be sure to drop hints wherever I can. Both Google and MS have a presence in Israel. If I were to write to Google suggesting that it might be in their interests to at least partially sponsor the project, to where would I direct them for further information? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Financing for Wine BiDi
2008/9/4 Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Only if you are willing to fork over 400NIS. I do not see families of private people donating more than 100NIS per family, regardless of number of users. That's exactly what I meant. I'm not rich, but in any case the wine project is saving me money. Shachar (Lingnu CEO): can you open a PayPal account (or equivalent) to collect money from private people? Or do you have another mechanism to deal with, say, 300 small payments? Shachar (Hamakor chairman): are there any tax advantages in getting Hamakor to handle this, and work out any conflict of interest issues? Shachar (again, Lingnu CEO): seems that we might pull this off - so we need more realistic estimates of the project cost. What budget do you need to cover the cost of reviewing bugs, edit control development and RTF edit control development? With this figure, we can plan on 2-stage project, each stage to be budgetted separately: stage 1 - plan the project and make estimates. stage 2 - actually execute. If the output of stage 1 is made publicly available, then maybe parts of stage 2 can be performed by outside volunteers with their own sources of funding. That's another 596 heads to find. I will be sure to drop hints wherever I can. Yes, it would help. Both Google and MS have a presence in Israel. If I were to write to Google suggesting that it might be in their interests to at least partially sponsor the project, to where would I direct them for further information? Shoshana Forbes, being a Google insider, is the first name which comes to my mind. Of course, we are speaking about sponsorship under a plan different from GSoC. Naturally. Though independently of whatever is decided now, the community should maybe consider starting to recruiting CS students for GSoC to work on Wine BiDi support next summer. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)
2008/10/8 Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm thinking of moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable). I wanted to know 2 things: 1 - Since today I have an ADSL router (bought from Bezek), I no longer use pptp, NAT or any other Linux tools to connect to the Internet. The router is the only computer connected and all my Linux boxes (and my kids' Windows) connect automatically. Would this be the case with cable too, or do I have to go back to having one computer act as a server for all the internet connection on my network (of 5 computers)? This is how I have it set up. Cable comes into the house - cable modem provided by HOT - router - all the other computers. The router handles the 'dialing' and the other computers Just Work (tm). 2 - Is cable as reliable as ADSL - speed, disconnects, etc? Cable:yes Hot: no I have lots of problems with Hot disconnecting and very high latency. Hot blames Nezeq Beinleimi, Nezek blames Hot. I personally believe that Nezeq is to blame for the latency, but Hot is to blame for the _hours_ of downtime every month. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)
2008/10/9 Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now I'm confused. Firstly, I certainly don't expect to plug the HOT modem into the ADSL plug. As I already wrote (see quote above), I thought I could plug the HOT modem into one of the ethernet ports. I may be missing something, but I don't understand why you say I wouldn't be able to use the NAT facility of the router. If the HOT modem plugs into one ethernet port and several computers use the rest of the ethernet ports on the router, why would the router not funtion. Of course it wouldn't be connecteted to the internet directly, but it would be connected to the HOT modem. Am I completely wrong aout this being possible? The ADSL modem is a router/modem, not a switch/modem. The difference (at the superficial level that we are dealing with) is that with a router, there is a WAN side (the Interwebs) and a LAN side (your home computers). You cannot plug the Interwebs into the LAN side and expect it to work- it won't. Your ADSL router/modem has the WAN side of the router plugged into the modem internally. You need either a switch, or better yet, a router. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [kde-il] Fedora 10 will have localized installer for Hebrew
2008/10/14 Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everybody, As of today we have crossed the required bar (90% translation) for having Hebrew as an official language *during install*. As the title says, F10 (which is in Beta now) will have Hebrew as one of the installation languages. More details in: http://life-with-linux.blogspot.com/2008/10/hebrew-installation-of-fedora-10.html Happy Suckot ;-) If that is so, then how is it that Hebrew is not an official language of KDE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/280724 Can someone knowledgeable comment on that bug? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [kde-il] Fedora 10 will have localized installer for Hebrew
2008/10/14 Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (please note, I am cross posting) KDE 4.1 has no official Hebrew translation in KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1, since it did not qualify: it did not have enough percentage to be an official translation. See here: http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/stable-kde4/essential/ Basically, an official language needs to have:desktop_kdelibs.po =75%, desktop_l10n.po = 75%, kdebase = 75% and kdelibs4.po = 90%. The reason for that, is that no one was working on translating KDE 4.x. Pretty simple. If you look here: http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/essential/ you will see that KDE 4.2 to be released in January will probably meet those numbers. KDE4.2 is also fixed (been fixed!) in various places to properly support Hebrew as good it did in KDE3, but the work is being done in trunk (4.2) and not branch. As I said to the Ubuntu guys, if you really want I can backport the translations from 4.2 to 4.1, but I cannot guarantee that the product will have a decent quality, as it's not been tested for RTL compliance. So long as 4.2 is translated I see no reason to spend resources backporting to 4.1. Personally, I am still using 3.5.10 as 4.x does not yet have a Show Keyboard Status indicator, which I need as I use Sticky Keys: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165402 Other people will obviously have different needs, but in my opinion moving forward is more important than moving backward. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Kontact plugin for Israeli workdays
Crossposted to linux-il and kde-il. I need a tool for calculating the Israeli workdays. Is there such a tool that can be integrated into Kontact / Korganizer? Even an online calendar that shows which days are workdays and which days are not would be a first step, but a real tool that would tell me how many workdays between September 17 and today would be great. Note: September 17 is the date that I ordered a monitor from the H4 store in Wallashops. Their CYA policy is delivery before 14 workdays. I am certain that more workdays have passed: an entire calendar month has past, a Jewish new year has past, and I had a baby born! I seriously think that the H4 store is expecting the Messiah and only them will they deliver my monitor. AVOID H4 In PARTICULAR AND WALLASHOPS IN GENERAL! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Kontact plugin for Israeli workdays
2008/10/21 Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:59:08PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Crossposted to linux-il and kde-il. I need a tool for calculating the Israeli workdays. Is there such a tool that can be integrated into Kontact / Korganizer? Even an online calendar that shows which days are workdays and which days are not would be a first step, but a real tool that would tell me how many workdays between September 17 and today would be great. According to my own counting, 13 working days have passed. It of course depends on how you count, and this can differ a lot. By my count, 17. That is why I would like an official resource. Note: September 17 is the date that I ordered a monitor from the H4 store in Wallashops. Their CYA policy is delivery before 14 workdays. I think you should check their terms of use or some similar document. I'd personally complain on Thursday if it does not arrive tomorrow. I complained to Walla and H4 on Sunday. They said that they'd get back to me on Monday. Still have not heard from either of them. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Kontact plugin for Israeli workdays
2008/10/22 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you were charged with the credit card, then it's a lost case. Otherwise, call the credit card and stop the payment. I still want the monitor at the great price that I payed for it. This may be their way of squirming out of giving it to me at the auction price. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: ISPs
2008/10/28 Geoff Shang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've only been in Israel for 18 months. My wife and I once again find ourselves in the market for an ISP. I work in Internet radio and have to have decent throughput to the US on non-standard ports. 012 and Bezeqint Standard seem to prioritise standard ports and cripple others, 012 extremely so (FTP and MP3 streaming on ports 8550 and 9550 were basically useless). We're just trying Netvision and all seems fine except FtP downloading is painfully slow (passive mode makes no difference) and FTP uploading is not what it should be. We've not tried Barak yet (even though Netvision and Barak have merged, they seem to still use different infrastructure). The only service we've found to be constantly good is Bezeqint's Gamer's package which we feel is too expensive. It's our feeling that Bezeq cripple their regular package so that those who are serious about net access have to pay more to get it. Are there any other ISPs? Our Bezeq contract is up on Thursday so this is a bit urgent. Geoff. There was a great ISP called Actcom until last year when Bezeq purchased it. Talk to Bezeq and see if you can get the level of support that us ex-Actcom customers get. I doubt that there is officially any difference, but I whenever I get an idiot script-reading support girl, I simply mention Actcom and the call is diverted to Alex or another ex-Actcom superhero. As for your ports usage, if you are a jerk about it you can get your way. Let's just say that I am paying 39 or 49 NIS per month (I forgot which) and I have a static IP address. It's all possible so long as you play the nice-guy rude-guy routine with them. The only problem is that you can only do that after you are already a customer. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Problem with navigate function in Firefox
2008/10/31 David Ronkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi all,
I tried to click a button on some IE-oriented site with Mozilla, but got
Error: navigate is not defined Source File
Here is the button code: img width=158 height=48 border=0 style=
onclick=navigate('JobView.aspx' + document.location.search +
'amp;is_form=1') src=img/Send_Cv.jpg/
Can anyone point me on Add-on (hopefully exists one) to handle such a
problem - i got few of them all the time?
What website is that, David? You should write to the webmaster. If
people don't write and let him know that IE is not the only webbrowser
out there, then why should he code for all browsers?
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Problem with navigate function in Firefox
2008/10/31 David Ronkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The site is: http://www.bezeqint.net/JobView.aspx?cc=01040504id=1482 I wrote them - but it only helps when many people do that. I still will be glad if anyone has some faster solution . I will write to them, that is quite the reason that I asked! I actually have a list of websites that need people to write to them regarding Firefox / Google Chrome support. If anyone wants to help me, please contact me on or off list. As David mentioned, the more people that write to them, the more effective it will be. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: How not to enter an ID number when it's irrelevant (was: Re: Problem with navigate function in Firefox)
2008/10/31 Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to write to them too. But the contact form here: http://www.bezeqint.net/contactus.html Requires one to enter the I.D Number which I'm reluctant to do. You can try to enter all-zeroes ID number. I did this in another Web site (I don't remember which), in which the ID number was obviously irrelevant to my query. I routinely employ similar tactics when a Web site demands my phone number (I have only a FAX number). --- Omer The problem with Bezeq is that they need the ID number to assign the ticket. Bezeq is a large, old organization and they 'think' that they have accounts for every citizen of Israel. If you do not put a valid ID number, the message does not get to the people who can do something about it. The pakida (whatis the word?) does not care about Fireflux or Linukz or Web Slanders. She sees that the message is not valid and hits the delete key. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
