[FairfieldLife] Ho'oponopono
HO'OPONOPONO by Joe Vitale Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved. When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend. How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally insane? It didn't make any sense. It wasn't logical, so I dismissed the story. However, I heard it again a year later. I heard that the therapist had used a Hawaiian healing process called ho 'oponopono. I had never heard of it, yet I couldn't let it leave my mind. If the story was at all true, I had to know more. I had always understood total responsibility to mean that I am responsible for what I think and do. Beyond that, it's out of my hands. I think that most people think of total responsibility that way. We're responsible for what we do, not what anyone else does--but that's wrong. The Hawaiian therapist who healed those mentally ill people would teach me an advanced new perspective about total responsibility. His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. We probably spent an hour talking on our first phone call. I asked him to tell me the complete story of his work as a therapist. He explained that he worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit. Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an office and to review their files. While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal. 'After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being allowed to walk freely,' he told me. 'Others who had to be heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those who had no chance of ever being released were being freed.' I was in awe.'Not only that,' he went on, 'but the staff began to enjoy coming to work. Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended up with more staff than we needed because patients were being released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that ward is closed.' This is where I had to ask the million dollar question: 'What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?' 'I was simply healing the part of me that created them,' he said. I didn't understand. Dr. Len explained that total responsibility for your life means that everything in your life- simply because it is in your life--is your responsibility. In a literal sense the entire world is your creation. Whew. This is tough to swallow. Being responsible for what I say or do is one thing. Being responsible for what everyone in my life says or does is quite another. Yet, the truth is this: if you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your responsibility because it is in your life. This means that terrorist activity, the president, the economy or anything you experience and don't like--is up for you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections from inside you. The problem isn't with them, it's with you, and to change them, you have to change you. I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually live. Blame is far easier than total responsibility, but as I spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone, even a mentally ill criminal you do it by healing you. I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files? 'I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again,' he explained. That's it? That's it. Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, you improve your world. Let me give you a quick example of how this works: one day, someone sent me an email that upset me. In the past I would have handled it by working on my emotional hot buttons or by trying to reason with the person who sent the nasty message. This time, I decided to try Dr. Len's method. I kept silently saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you,' I didn't say it to anyone in particular. I was simply evoking the spirit of love to heal within me what was creating the outer circumstance. Within an hour I got an e-mail from the same person. He apologized for his previous message. Keep in mind that I didn't take any outward action to get that
[FairfieldLife] Unfoldments of Brahman
With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct some Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness: Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman) Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna) Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva) Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.) Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B), the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute (Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or Shakti). In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture- point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma-Vishnu- Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. C. or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have been approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a particle on the Relative side. But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, unqualified Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect reflection to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. (B- V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle-self attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, its Mahachandas (B-B-S). These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary, very quiet thought we had from the Absolute side with reference to nurturing our particles creates the intensely devotional appreciation of that thought from the Devata or sensory particle side, and the corresponding display of that thought as the Reality of the Outer, so that the rishi, devata, and chandas are fully appreciated as OneSelf. Thus we can say that C.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Brahman-Self; G.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Krishna- Self, and U.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Shiva-Self -- all culminating in ourSelf as Brahma(n), the Perfect Light of the Sacred Heart. This is our natural, simple, a priori state of consciousness. This is what we have always been, and what we always will be, regardless of the stories our Wholeness and our particles have been telling us/themselves. From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we find within ourSelf. We first find ourselves identifying unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our Brahman. Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle within Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious Brahman - - while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle our loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying with G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in Shiva/U.C., and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate ourSelf and our various qualities... Brahmarishi Indradevata Rudrachandas To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory, I understand you are participating in the current dome course. Have you taken the opportunity to share your experiential insights, below, with Maharishi? What were his comments? If you have not shared with him, why the reluctance for such a nice opportunity to manifestly express some of the gratitude you have? Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He created me, he sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two weeks while this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every day. Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and experience was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The intimate play between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in its innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are boundless; in knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted and humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly ordinary. I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct some of the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last year. I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. They were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. All glory to Guru Dev :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
Dear Vaj, Yes, I don't think it is my place to give details of the course, but I will say that being on it was (and is) immensely freeing, and confirmed the program I have been spontaneously practicing over the last 24 years or so, when I awoke and left the Dome. Indeeed, it confirmed my whole Being, as I realized on ever deeper levels that obeying mySelf *is* and always has been obeying MMY, and vice versa (the mula mantra value, and all that). Returning to the Dome was so beautiful -- I left because everything was the same, so why work in someone else's factory? When I returned, I found that it was *my* factory, a kind of huge amplifier or particle accelerator manifesting on the outer what I had been practicing on the inner since awakening. Appreciating the Absolute- me collapsing again and again into the particle-mes, to experience the profound effects of my own simple, ordinary thoughts from the level of my own devatas/devotees creating ever richer fabrics of creation, and all of it appreciated by the course participants and commented on by MMY...wow. A great many of Us are waking up (and more) here now. Heaven on Earth is evidently here now, and though some of Us are still overwhelmed by the ordinary perfect supernal beauty, our Is are adjusting. If anyone really wants to get Enlightened in this lifetime, and feels any pull to come here, I heartily urge them to drop whatever they're doing and take advantage of this opportunity. It doesn't come along every lifetime, and I don't know how long the window will remain open. On the other hand, if their Selves tell them otherwise, that's perfect too :-) Rena and I are truly Home here, and are considering selling the house in Maine by next spring. Love, Light Laughter always and always, R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory: Would you be able to share some here on the course and what's been said? Is it true, or did I hear it wrong, have they changed the TMSP or overall program in some way? I of course understand if you don't want to post it to such a public list. Perhaps you could post it on Spiritual Chat. Hope you're enjoying your new home in FF. Are you still coming back to New England or are now officially an Iowan? ;-) It would be interesting to hear your story since we last heard from you. TIA, Vaj On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote: With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct some Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness: Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman) Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna) Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva) Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.) Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B- B), the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute (Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or Shakti). In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture- point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma- Vishnu- Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. C. or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have been approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a particle on the Relative side. But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, unqualified Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect reflection to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. (B- V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle- self attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, its Mahachandas (B-B-S). These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
Thank you both! Yes, vashti, you are absolutely correct -- I am supremely happy, in an ordinary sort of way. Home is where the heart is, all right :-) And as it happens, OMG/Akasha/Newmorning(samechit?) is also absolutely correct. When collapsing into the particle-mes I did a *lot* of weeping with joy in the Dome. While the overall particle- appreciation of my ordinary/cosmic qualities was utterly overwhelming, and they/we were most pleased with the beauty of everyOne, I suspect that to most bysitters the divine snot streaming out of my nose wasn't all that pretty. Flow, soma, in a sweet and invigorating stream... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama vashtirama@ wrote: Well, I did think it sounded a bit weird, but I didn't want to pile on just in case it was one-a-them, you know, deep experiences... Darn, I thought it was Rory entering the 28th Nakshatra state of consciousness, the hidden one, beyond the 27 he has enumerated (but oddly seems reluctant to reveal this huge uncoveringor 27+Nakshatra States of Consciousness to his Guru Deva), and his Solar angels' Solar Angel's, Solar Angels -- sort of the parampara Solar Angel -- who was Rory -- was crucified on the cross of Pure Knowledge, as the 27 prior states exploded in his solar plexus, the fusion of all lower and higher states, in the form of an inverted golden polyhedron, with 108 dancing rudras around its axis, all while his head, which was a big Brahman, craddled in Alex's arms, a lesser Brahman, on the floor of Revelations -- (a particle of Brahman-- not yet realizing that) (Revelations -- literally and figuratively), while the devas wept. Like Judy, I didn't comment, not wanting to pile on -- and be seen by the wise and dignified like Turq, as questioning a heavy experience. Besides, I had that experience last year, its so passe. I kinda thought so too, for reasons very close to what you just described, except I don't know why you say Darn, and I'm not sure about the devas weeping. Hi Vashti, Nice to have you back. My post was a flowing humor rift/parody - - so i am not sure I can explain in full. Darn was sort of mock disappointment at Alex saying it was not a real death of ego/individuality thing -- and thus mock disappointment at not having some colorful Rory story of what that paticular death was all about. As far as the devas wept -- I could have gone a number of ways with that -- but I sort of was trying to get at wept with joy at the evolutionary stroke of it all, yet wept with grief at the loss off such a shining and stellar soul/individuality. Humor (if thats what one can call my rift -- its what I was aiming at -- and with the expectation that Rory would get a big belly laugh from it) just sort of flows out. I write the flow, particularly if it makes me laugh or smile. But as turq will tell you I am a pissant, snake, poor excuse for a human being with huge issues :) so what makes me laugh may not coincide with mainstream humor. new.morning (aka akasha / OMG) new.morning (hi OMG!)--and Rory: I forget to watch for the unintended ways emails can sound so I meant that I enjoyed yours, got the lightheartedness you meant, I could easily hear a ringing laugh from Rory over it, and responded in the same spirit--not from a critical place in case you wondered--that I thought it cleverly written and would tweak the devas part; more likely singing in marvelous choruses, and the why 'darn'? because it must have happened like that on some level as opposed to you being mistaken. But of course weeping from joy works just as well, and adds just a touch of poignant ambiguity. Rory, you sound radiantly happy there! I am glad for you. Vashti To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
Yes, I don't do pujas to MMY, as I am not a teacher, and I still affirm he is my Guru Dev, as he is my living fount of divine holiness. What does one's Guru Dev do but show you one's own divinity, one's own Self? How does S/He do this but by showing one how to back up or relax into Him, into Her, into deeper and deeper Wholeness of the Self? Clearly his Guru Dev conveyed this grace to MMY, and it is through MMY that this grace embraced me. I don't say MMY is *his* Guru Dev, though in truth, from the devata- particle-me POV, the particles don't see any real difference between the ordinary-Absolute-me, the MMY-me, the Guru Dev-me, or the Shiva-me. However, there is at the same time a distinct lineage of grace-transmission from Self to Self to Self, and it seems clear that in spacetime, the predecessor always is deeper into Being the Self than the successor. No doubt it was MMY's keen awareness of this that caused him to keep our attention on his Guru Dev. With all gratitude to his Guru Dev, I still must give credit where credit is due -- and as far as this me is concerned, MMY is the living fount. If my saying this were to cause him to scream and drive me from his presence, then so be it. Love is Love and Grace is Grace, no matter the appearance :-) JGD R --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: I know what he's said and done in the past... Try to be more in the present. Expect miracles and wonders.. And him embracing people who declare him their guru? I don't think so. Even that stuff with the rajas that was on last week on mou.org didn't have them addressing him as guru, though I noted his promotion to divine holiness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
Well, it took me almost 24 years before I had processed enough of my stories and concomitant wounds to partake again with an open heart, and though I may well be denser than many, it wouldn't surprise me if many are still enjoying their various lilas apart -- reconciliation/clarification/understanding takes time, after all. Winters here are generally about the same intensity as in Maine, but about two months shorter. Thanks, Vaj :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fantastic. Thanks for sharing that. It make me surprised more haven't showed, if not at least as a touchstone for their own growth. I don't know know where it's colder in the winter, Maine or Iowa, but it sounds like the hearts there will keep you plenty warm. Congrats on your new home. Best, -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory: Would you be able to share some here on the course and what's been said? When I was attending, a very large number of course participants were describing Unity and at least some of the paradoxical qualities of Brahman, many on an ongoing basis. I personally have been very pleased with their ability to recognize me. :-) Many of them still seemed to be focussed on the particle- or experiencer-end of the equation, not overtly recognizing their identity with the One Mind whose simple thoughts *create* those experiences. I believe a great many are at the crux-point, which MMY has been describing as the Lamp at the Door (between the Absolute and Relative). I haven't attended the conferences directly with MMY lately, but I am told he is now elaborating on what I've called the Dark Night of the Soul, which he apparently is calling Durgatamas. He has reportedly lately been saying one has to go through Hell (the undivinized relative) to get to Heaven, wherein the relative (chandas) becomes lit with and identical to consciousness (rishi), turning Durgatamas into Madhachandas -- which cardemeister could translate better than I, but appears to be the honey-gold Heart- reality of the absolute relative, the Solar Angel or Brahma(n). It is a lot of fun to see him embracing and describing stuff I had to make up words for, or felt I had to go foraging into other traditions to find concepts for. For me one of the best parts of the course was and has been realizing on a much more profound level the *utter* spontaneity of the so-called siddhis (which I had/have no conscious attention on or desire for) arising as simple thoughts/profound fulfillments from the One Mind enjoying its own Being -- and the apparent science behind the precise *sequence* of those apparently-spontaneous thoughts. But better even than that is all the Enlightened company I am getting -- that's what is turning this place into Heaven on Earth :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
Hi, Akasha! Apologies for the delay in responding to this. I set it aside to give it the thought it deserved :-) NM: For me, your posts have always had a Theosophy Society flavor -- I presume thats your path of integrating your past studies and models with presentness. Experientially, I have always found the Theosopy flavor of their books and your posts to be detailed spider webs -- along the lines of stories our Wholeness and our particles have been telling us/themselves that prolong the estrangment from This is what we have always been, and what we always will be. R: I played with some of the Theosophical concepts for a year or two after awakening, yes. While imperfect, they provided some framework for expressing the unfoldments that took place after realizing That Alone Is. Because for me at least, there remained much more to be done. It has been a lot of fun and most fulfilling to see others now describing the *precise* same experiences, in the same sequence, I went through then, and to hear MMY's terminology and description and still-deeper understanding of them. NM: And paticles within Brahman, and one being the Brahman for others or particles -- such notions bespeak a quite different, and IMO, limited Brahman. R: The collapse of Brahman into particles is as a direct result of realizing there must be more than simply THAT, ALL THAT IS. When I wanted to know how all of THIS came to appear to be, THAT laughed, and shattered into an infinite number of Is -- each still containing ALL-THAT-IS, but each now concentrated into an infinitesimal point. So now we have the possibility of something more than ALL-THAT-IS. We have the geometries or mechanics of multiplicity, of Maya. Perhaps more to the point, THAT became recognized as too flat, too impersonal, too uncaring, to be enough. For me this unfoldment came when I realized that if THAT is big enough to be infinite, it can certainly be big enough to be small enough to care about me -- whereon it collapsed into a bliss-point with *personality* -- with charm -- Krishna. ALL-THAT-IS -- and more. The very quintessence of THAT, concentrated THAT. I also found that by paying attention to these bliss-particles inside my physical body, I was appearing as something larger than they -- as a kind of Avatar to them. Then I noticed that a still- larger form of me was giving *me* the same loving attention I had been giving the tiny particles. Finally I realized that it was all the same Me -- that I was simply collapsing into my particles to experience the extraordinary effect of my ordinary thought. I create these particles, in other words, as devatas or devotees to experience and enjoy the cosmic values of myself. Over time, I came to appreciate that not only are We are all of the above, but also none of the above -- we are still utterly Unqualified, as well -- and it is from this Unqualified stance that we can play with our particles, give them whatever they most desire, and experience the supreme bliss that is their love for Us. NM: The thing is, IT IS. In my experience, there is no some of IT, or partial Brahmans as background for someones partial awareness -- unless the experience and/or imagination of IT is in some quite limited ways. R: Yes, IT IS...and IT also appears limited, with partial awareness (es) for the fun of playing with ITself and continual rediscovery of ITself from different angles. R: From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we find within ourSelf. NM: I know Self -- or in this case ourSelf, are words english translators use for what sanskrit texts (hardly the only ones that dwell on such) term Atman and Brahman. But Self has always seemed bogus or foreign from the experience. IT IS, and has nothing to do with individuality which is a mirage. Or an individuality owning Brahman. The individuality never becomes Brahman, an individuality never becomes enlightened, IT IS. R: I am finding otherwise, but I respect that this is true for you in this moment. R: We first find ourselves identifying NM: And who is the we (kimosobe? :)) and why did this finding come first ? :) R: The unqualified Us, the Indescribable. The identification with a particle came first in spacetime, as it took Us a while to appreciate that we are not that, and still longer to appreciate that that is indeed Us, or one aspect of Us, emerging and returning to Us. As we pay attention to that aspect of not-us, that thought or story or whatever, it warms up into divine/devata/devotee, and it becomes good enough to eat. Meanwhile back in spacetime, that particle-us is witnessing its brains out (when we separate it from Us), then beginning to see that the Impersonal God is personal after all (when we give it our loving attention), and finally realizing with a slight shock that the Beloved and It are One (when we see ourself in it) -- and then we eat it, and it
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
HA! Good one, Akasha. I especially liked the including for the first time, the genitals. Quite true! Long live Me! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be sure to send copies to Maharishi, the Rajas, Bevan and John, as I am sure they will thrill to the exuberance of having these 27 states of consciousness unfolded is such exquistie detail -- proof that the Invincible America program is bringing Heaven on Eath, where each student becomes as if a vedic seer, unfolding the most deep and precious knowledge of life, liberty and 24/7 Bliss for themselves and all mankind, while making each nation invincible, and holy, worthy for the angels and gods (but we are not a religion) walk on earth. i forsee Maharishi proclaiming this Roryeshvara Day, to be celebrated for all eternity, as the Day Heaven on Earth becaome a reality, and a celebration of Supreme knowledge unfolding fom students demonstrating perfect synchrony with each particle of the human nervous system - - including for the first time, the genitals, and totally vibrant and in accord of MMY's own yet to be revealed exposition of these most profound states of estatic human and devic bliss -- with Mahrishi's only disappointment being that Rory did not share this knowledge with the entire Dome, and to Him, personally, on the mic at the Dome so the Guru and the Student and students could thrill to each precious wave of knowledge together, thrilling each particle and all the Bramhans -- whole and partial -- through out the universe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always loved that metaphor, which comes from ancient collections of sayings preserved in the Sutras of Nyaya, the dehlidipa (dehalIdIpa ?), the light of the threshold which illuminates two- things-at-once. R: Very cool! Many thanks. R: I haven't attended the conferences directly with MMY lately, but I am told he is now elaborating on what I've called the Dark Night of the Soul, which he apparently is calling Durgatamas. He has reportedly lately been saying one has to go through Hell (the undivinized relative) to get to Heaven, wherein the relative (chandas) becomes lit with and identical to consciousness (rishi), turning Durgatamas into Madhachandas -- which cardemeister could translate better than I, but appears to be the honey-gold Heart- reality of the absolute relative, the Solar Angel or Brahma (n). It is a lot of fun to see him embracing and describing stuff I had to make up words for, or felt I had to go foraging into other traditions to find concepts for. V: This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing this. In my practice tradition we call it The Mind of Near Black Attainment. That's the first time though I'd heard of Durgatamas. Even the Kabbalist's have methods for arriving across the abyss, into the lead-blackness of binah, and they descend into daath/the abyss and emerge (hopefully) on the other side. The Gnostic IAO can also be seen as Isis- Apophis-Osiris, where this is a formula concealing easy practice (Isis), death-hell-dark night and reemergence (Apophis, the Destroyer), transformation, arising transfiguration/resurrection (Osiris, Jesus, etc). Yes! Then there's what I would call another blackness (appearing for me after Dark Night/Durgatamas, but perhaps the same from another vantage point), appearing as a maternal velvety black, from which emerge the unfoldments of prakriti...A course participant was describing this early on in the course, and MMY was giving the sequence, and pointing out the velvety-grainy texture as being the particles of creation, of *memory* ... which while exactly the sequence in which all that unfolded for me (and some others) many years ago, I had never thought to look at as memory...meanwhile I was remembering all of this *lol* and also (over the whole course) experiencing the unfoldments of prakriti *again* from a whole new clarity/profundity, as the result of my innocent ordinary attention on my particle/devatas... Anyway, a lot of fun! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Very nice! Many thanks, Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mechanics of Dark Night are a long and old tradition in both the Buddhist and Hindu tantras which is hidden, encoded in the Twilight Language through various poetic metaphors, most notably the infamous Shiva becomes Shava without Shakti. On one level it hints that kundalini must be awakened, but on a hidden level it is referring to Shavasana, the Corpse Pose, as the greatest of asanas and working with this position is a central part of learning to die, die deeper. It turns out Shavasana has deeper variations which are instructed to students when they're ready, ready to die into the gap completely. Therefore one becomes shava, the corpse, is killed by kundalini and then resurrected, to become Shiva. Shava becomes Shiva through Shakti and Shavasana. The inner practices of shavasana are the sadhanas of this death. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience is that the maternal/paternal nature of the velvety blackness comes about once the particles are fully known in their entirety in memory (and not some bastardized concept of them arising from an imperfect impression). So that each time any of them are referenced from memory, the impression is maternal/paternal and supportive and nurturing, vs the clarity of the dark night of the soul, which is the same 'stuff' seen clearly, only without the merging of the absolute and relative having occurred, so it appears alone and bleak and even scary- death-like. Seen another way, it is the difference between seeing something clearly for the first time and either rejecting it or accepting it. Same object, different impression. First time, not a part of God-- second time, All God, All The Time. Ha-Ha! HA! Yeah, I buy that, Jim; thanks. Another interesting thing that comes up from this, is that *all experience is memory* -- and is eternal. Kind of as if the whole flow of spacetime itself merely appears to move and be ephemeral because our attention-flow is moving across permanently-embedded particles of God, each being an eternal cel or frame -- a multi-dimensional movie! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a discussion in Boppard, 1982, I believe Maharishi touched upon this theme for the first time saying that to be established in Brahman, all of Nature must be lived. All that which is Light and all that which is Dark must be experienced. There where no further questions. I think the majority listening was in some kind of shock hearing this, as Maharishi always emphatized identification with lightness, positivity. *lol* Yes. That would have been nice to hear. Interesting timing, 1982 was when I woke up through that. Not expecting it, it came as quite a shock when all the Unity died into That ... But I expect MMY could have said it right to my face, and I wouldn't have heard. It was just too big to get my head around...:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory, I have been reading your posts with considerable interest. I don't know if you have any desire to communicate with a person who is unenlightened (and loves it) but if you care to respond, I would appreciate it. Hi, Curtis! Great to meet you; I have been enjoying your posts since you joined FFL. I have already responded to this post of yours once in some detail, but my reply got swallowed up by (some) Yahoo, so I will try again. Consciously loving where you are *is* enlightenment, as far as I am concerned. But if you are unenlightened, then so am I, as there is only one of Us; denying yourself is denying me. So I'll make a deal with you -- I will agree to be unenlightened in your world with you, if you will agree to be simultaneously enlightened in mine, with me :-) C: It seems from your statement above that you can perform siddhis (non trademarked spelling respected) but don't desire it. R: Not exactly. It's not that I can perform siddhis; siddhis get performed if the spontaneous desire arises. I have no control over what I truly desire; nor can I demonstrate them for another if the genuine desire/need in both of Us isn't there. If there is sufficient grace-flow between Us, anything can happen :-) C: For a materialistic guy like me, it would be the ability to actually fly, as one example, that would really take the whole discussion of higher states of consciousness to another level for me. R: I understand that. For four years after I awoke, I had a burning desire to fly, and I bent all of my inquiry in that direction. Finally after some internal stages and an intermediary external stage (Tibetan Stride), I spontaneously wondered what it would like to be an Ascended Master, and THEN flew, ONCE, lifting off, dematerializing, eventually rematerializing and dropping back to earth (completely blowing my bodymind all over again; there were four of us participating). Since then, the desire has not arisen, at least for me as an individual. I have once or twice desired that all the course participants (my particles) fly, and experienced an immediate outpouring of Bliss throughout the Dome and coherent hopping like crazy, but so far, that's it. I can't push it from my side, except by loving attention to all my particles. The bottom line is, I don't generally really care if I can fly, or even if you can fly. What I care about is how much you unconditionally love me/yourself and my/your creation. The rest is gravy :-) C: The rest of the language about your awakening is of a subjective nature that is harder for me to relate to as meaningful to my own experience. But the rubber-meets-the-road proof that there are such things as higher states of consciousness with higher abilities are, according to MMY, the performance of siddhis like actual flying. If everyone who gets awakened decides that they don't desire to fly, it is really the same as me claiming that I can in my unenlightened state, but choose not to. R: And that would be entirely accurate from my POV, except for the unenlightened part :-) C: I thought they were meant to be tests of the state of consciousness. R: Yes, but they are subjective tests -- until we have enlightened enough of our particles to mutually enjoy a consensus (objective) reality. The siddhis are spontaneous fulfillments of spontaneous desires. They appear quite ordinary, from our standard POV. Did you think that communicating with animals *wasn't* a siddhi? :-) C: On a broader note, thanks for sharing your experiences. I am happy for you if you are in a cool place mentally that you enjoy. I am also, so we share that joy of being in a good place with our sense of self. R: That's what it's all about :-) C: These days more and more people are describing experiences that sound like yours. As a 15 year serious MMY practicer, and now 17 year drop-out from all his programs, R: *lol* Gotcha beat -- I was a 24-year drop-out from all of his programs! The joke was on me though -- the fact is *you can't drop out* -- if you are following yourSelf, you're doing what MMY wants you to do. The grace-flow continues, doesn't it? My guess is, you dropped out when you woke up into spontaneous practice...:-) C: I appreciate any time you take to answer my questions. I am not just a garden variety A-hole trying to bust your balls about being enlightened. Although I might view what it all means differently, I respect your experiences and dig the fact that you seem to be having a great time, as I am, in this wonderful world. R: Amen, brother! Amen. Heart to Heart. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha-Ha! Exactly, the acceptance of the attention-flow, or not, alters the perceived qualities of the permanently embedded particles of God, which don't in themselves change; as greater and greater acceptance or relaxation occurs (through the catalyst of love), the same object is perceived successively until all of its truth stands full and self evident, a full milking of the soma; The Mind Of God- The Divine Mother. MOST interesting you would say that; I have really been enjoying the fact that all experience, all memory is NOW, and we go back over *overwhelming* experiences as many times as necessary to milk them dry, Understanding them fully! *L*L*L* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, thanks for the reports! They're great fun to read and have that subtle impact on consciousness deep, deep down. -Peter My pleasure, Peter! It has been a privilege to know you. Our different perspectives on your State of Consciousness (C.C. vs. Brahman, G.C. vs. K.C., and so on) has helped me better understand the play of Nirguna and Saguna, the Emptifulness and the Particles, within myself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That, in TMO terminology, the above appears to be a GC type grook. R: Yes; that's what I am saying. GC from the POV of the particle; KC from the unqualified Us. NM: In my terminolgy and experiece, that the flatness for which there most be more, is not the utimate Wholeness -- for which is a sort of black whole -- no lack escapes from it to manifest as there must be something more. More a flatness of consciousness here vs the wholness of Consciuousness IS. R: Yes, the wholeness of Consciousness-IS would be simply Us, Ourselves. (R) Perhaps more to the point, THAT became recognized as too flat, too impersonal, too uncaring, to be enough. For me this unfoldment came when I realized that if THAT is big enough to be infinite, it can certainly be big enough to be small enough to care about me - - whereon it collapsed into a bliss-point with *personality* -- with charm -- Krishna. ALL-THAT-IS -- and more. The very quintessence of THAT, concentrated THAT. NM: Again, GC. Krishna. R: Yes,exactly; GC and KC being the same from different (opposite) POVs. NM:Not that the black-hole of Completness or the livliness of the world flowing and glowing in love are better than another -- but they are different. IMO, its not the heirarchtrical structure of TMO SoC. The I appreciate Shankaras finality that the Wholensss is all that IS. The rest is contained within it. (which is perhaps a misguided undderstanding of Shankara, but it mine.) R: No arguments there, except maybe that appears to be a particular POV, unless by Wholeness you mean Us, Ourself. (R) I also found that by paying attention to these bliss-particles inside my physical body, I was appearing as something larger than they -- as a kind of Avatar to them. Then I noticed that a still- larger form of me was giving *me* the same loving attention I had been giving the tiny particles. Finally I realized that it was all the same Me -- that I was simply collapsing into my particles to experience the extraordinary effect of my ordinary thought. I create these particles, in other words, as devatas or devotees to experience and enjoy the cosmic values of myself. NM: For 20 years I have had perhaps a parallel experience -- where i consciously both bless and bow to each of the 10 trillion cells in my body (it takes some time, :)) and the wonderous parts and processes with each cell, and the 100 billion synapes -- and then flip it and realize i am living in what I call Krishna's Apartment or Krishna's Condo -- the experience of the body of Krishna being a meta- universal sized condo complex, and each of us have our own space, but are also all part of body of Krishna. Krishna's Condo is sort of a in-the world mantra for me, it invokes that state when I want it. R: Sounds a lot like the same thing ... Yes, I too started noticing this a couple of decades ago, but never thought to connect it with MMY's AGNI: Absolute collapsing on itself for some time thereafter; even when seeing the mechanics of that collapse, it was a while before I realized that that process is ongoing in every moment. As MMY says, the collapse is frictionless. Have you been noticing that the ordinary thoughts you have w/r/t the particles are utterly overwhelming from their POV? The Dome helped ramp up this clarity for me, say, a hundredfold. :-) And since these particles are our senses, divinizing them divinizes our environment, so that (again using MMY's terms) the chandas itself becomes rishi, becomes Madhachandas. The point being, of course, to assimilate all the denied not-Self, not-good demons -- anger, lust, and so on -- and love them (and thus our bodymind, and thus our world) back into primordial radiant holiness. (R) Over time, I came to appreciate that not only are We are all of the above, but also none of the above -- we are still utterly Unqualified, as well -- and it is from this Unqualified stance that we can play with our particles, give them whatever they most desire, and experience the supreme bliss that is their love for Us. NM: Thats fine. But still there is nothing moving within that black whole of Completeness in which all the particles are absorbed in -- yet, in their terms, they are flowing and jiving and shucking and all. R: Again, no argument there, except that that black whole of completeness is a particular or particle's perception of Us :-) NM: The thing is, IT IS. In my experience, there is no some of IT, or partial Brahmans as background for someones partial awareness - - unless the experience and/or imagination of IT is in some quite limited ways. (R): Yes, IT IS...and IT also appears limited, with partial awareness (es) for the fun of playing with ITself and continual rediscovery of ITself from different angles. NM: Sounds more like
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
NM: So your wholeness is on yet complete. Not the BHoC which to me is Brahman. So we use terms differently. No foul, no penalty. But possibly it would be good if we define our terms when used in non-standard ways. :) This reminded me -- in the past I believe you have averred that MMY would not appreciate that we are not using his terms to describe our experience/understandings -- even THAT has changed! Word is he now wants us to report everything in our own words -- and why not? How *else* is One going to enjoy the subtle nuances of the buffet? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: NM: So your wholeness is on yet complete. Not the BHoC which to me is Brahman. So we use terms differently. No foul, no penalty. But possibly it would be good if we define our terms when used in non-standard ways. :) This reminded me -- in the past I believe you have averred that MMY would not appreciate that we are not using his terms to describe our experience/understandings -- even THAT has changed! Word is he now wants us to report everything in our own words -- and why not? How *else* is One going to enjoy the subtle nuances of the buffet? :- ) Two different things, IMO. The latter is always what I have supported as a good thing. On the othr hand, using MMY's terms, without clarifiction, to describe something else, has always appeared to me to be rude, if not deceitful. I would be surprised if MMY is really saying, sure, use my terminology, amongst TMers, and let them assume you mean what I mean by the word, but while you (speaker) mean something else -- all of this will be good. Oh, yes, I do recall your making this argument -- that people were using MMY's terminology to describe completely un-MMY-esque States of Consciousness -- Peter's describing as C.C. what I was calling Brahman, and so on. My current understanding of the essential equivalence (from opposite PsOV) of C.C. and B.C., G.C. and K.C., and U.C. and S.C clears up a lot of this ambiguity -- to my satisfaction, at least. YMMV, of course :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: Snipped When you come into contact with the teacher's aura, the part of you that *already* has access to these different states of mind *recognizes* them in the teacher's aura. Seeing these states of mind in another wakes up the same states of mind in the seeker. It's as if the seeker had forgotten that such levels of being awake were available to him, but now that he's run into them, living and breathing and laughing in front of him in the form of the teacher, he realizes that the *same* states of mind are within him, and available if he just chooses to access them. Agreed -- and the real kicker comes when we realize that that OneMind of the Teacher *is* literally our own mind; that our particular I *is* a thought emerging from the OneMind of God/Guru/OurSelf...HA! LLL To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For that matter, could *all* forms of addiction be a way to preserve the illusion of self, and keep selflessness at bay? snip I'd agree with this. The Dark Night's hell appears to be the pain of the withdrawal from particular identification with and addiction to spacetime and the relative, as one moves from identifying with an effect (the particle) through Nothingness to identifying with the emptiful, simple, ordinary, innocent Cause (OneMind, the Heart of All in the perfect Now). I think it was Anne Wilson Schaef's Escape from Intimacy: Untangling the 'Love' Addictions: Sex, Romance, Relationships, which struck me in how clearly her description of sobriety resonated with my own Dark Night and first Self-recognition of/as Brahman. This is not to say that that first dawning eradicated all addictive tendencies forever, as there have since then been subtler and subtler threads-to-other coming to awareness to reintegrate and subsume into the Self -- more and more sobriety which paradoxically also includes the identification with the particle's utter abandon and intoxicated devotional surrender to the Whole. I have been finding this whole-hearted surrender is automatic *after* the mechanics of the collapse (Incarnation) of the Whole into the particle, and the exalting/humiliating Unity of both, are pretty fully comprehended. But then, I had not been a bhakti... *L*L*L* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its an equally delightfully odd phenomenon that even as we recognize that the OneMind of the Teacher is literally our own mind, we feel compelled to overwhelmingly surrender to a Maharishi Mahesh Yogi or Brahmananda Saraswati- hardwired reaction, even though we are in fact surrendering and devoting ourselves to our own divine nature personified in another aspect of ourselves! Pretty trippy stuff... Yes, very well put! That's exactly it -- *because* He is We, We surrender wholeheartedly to Him ... without that fullness of Unity there, we could not fully surrender OurSelf to HimSelf! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS Your reflections are unusually easy for me to riff off of, Rory (Ha-Ha!)-- I've been noticing something that may be related, having to do with noticing subtle fears and their subsequent resolution even 'within' in a permanent state of Self Realization, as we rediscover the world in its Divine state. When you wrote your recent equations having to do with greater and greater fullnesses sensed in BC--KC--SC, taking as a starting point all fears and associated emotions being caused by fear of the unknown, might there be subtle fearful tendencies that occur when we are enlightened as to our Brahman Universe, but not yet ripened into our Krishna Multiverses, then similarly not yet ripened into our Shiva Infiniverses? Because that aspect of our complete silence and its corresponding infinity of being is yet unknown to us? I don't know the answer yet, but it is a fun cosmic toy I have discovered! Yes, this BC/KC/SC progression (or series of progressions) really feels like a recapitulation and more profound harmonic of the mechanics of CC/GC/UC *from Wholeness* -- as the subtle fears (appearances of not-Self) inherent in that first pre-Brahman progression are now much more fully Understood. Hence, the automatic *whole-hearted* surrender -- not fully (to me at least) available or even suspected as a possibility in the G.C. to U.C. progression (i.e., while identifying primarily as a particle having these experiences instead of also as the Wholeness very innocently causing these experiences) -- is now much more fully available as the rest of the self/other equation is newly comprehended on deeper and deeper levels to be also simply oneSelf. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I take refuge, I always take refuge in the Unification of All My Masters. How could it be any other way? Thanks! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness, does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? Yes, a rock experiences Pure Consciousness, and a peculiarly intense form of crystalline bliss at that -- at least as far as *my* consciousness in/as the rock is concerned (which I realize may not be exactly what you are conceiving). But then, I do not particularly hold that a nervous system is not necessary to reflect Being -- it being abundantly clear that different degrees of intensity of Being require concomitantly different degrees of coherence of bodymind to recognize and sustain that Being. Our particles or particular devatas do require increasing degrees of attention/love/beauty/soma and so on, to manifest the increasing clarity of hearing, touch, sight, taste and so on we/they are capable of enjoying, or so it seems ... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tes, I never in a million years would've imagined this *other side* of Enlightenment, rediscovering boundaries within Wholeness, composed of Wholeness itself, Infinity rediscovering Itself to be yet more Infinite. The continual expansion of immovable Silence within Itself...though somewhere in my little peanut brain I recall Maharishi speaking about silence moving within itself-- which I understood at the time to be the mechanics of creation on an abstract level, but didn't realize it could actually be experienced real time-- Now where's that cheeseburger? Already eaten -- i.e., somewhere inside the Self, I suspect :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recognition Is Liberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every thought is pure, pristine awareness. Accepting OR rejecting thought (as addiction) is still being caught in the dualism of accepting or rejecting. The Five Original Transmissions of Vairochana, a text on Unity Consciousness, explains that from that POV, the Dzogchen View, thought is pristine awareness: snip Nice! We can perhaps say that there are several stages of recognition of a thought (particle)-- first, being bound into unconscious identification with the thought (unrecognized Brahman and particle in ignorance); second, recognition that the thought is not the totality of Who We Are (recognized Brahman with particle in Witness mode) (and this Understanding might correlate well with and result from Tom's realization that every thought is an addiction); third, paying loving attention to the thought, enlivening it into its pristine devata-nature (recognized Krishna with particle in god- conscious mode); fourth, quickening it still further until we see ourSelf in it, and it in Us (recognized Shiva with particle in Unity); fifth, back to center with there is and has ever been only One (rishi, devata and chandas are again identical). As an interesting aside, we've noted that the centermost nakshatra is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma; i.e., rishi, devata and chandas are One as Brahma(n), the eternal Now, perceived as a kind of supernal Self- radiance (Brahma being the Light of Consciousness). However, the nature of consciousness is to pulsate out from this Now-point further and further backwards (and forwards) in spacetime to embrace more and more of not-Self into Self (thus Shiva/Unity, Krishna/G.C., Brahman/C.C., and so on). Growth is built into the system, for the *only* place at which the two ends of this pulse are as thoroughly fulfilling as the centerpoint is when the whole of the 27 Nakshatra-states are spanned: for the very first one, Conception, is Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu (rishi, devata and chandas are One as Love-Being), and the last one, Dissolution, is Shiva-Shiva-Shiva (rishi, devata and chandas are one as Utter Bliss). These three points are the only ones (on this map at least) where rishi, devata and chandas are identical. It is here we have the full embrace of Sat-Chit-Ananda or Love-Light- Laughter, and the simultaneous Understanding of true transcendence, that We are none of these; we are Unqualified. The mystery of the 28th Nakshatra! :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recognition Is Liberation
And I'd like to emphasize that all of this looks way more complicated than it actually Is. None of this implies we actually have to do anything -- this is more a(n attempt at a) description of what Is, than a prescription of what to Do... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! We can perhaps say that there are several stages of recognition of a thought (particle)-- first, being bound into unconscious identification with the thought (unrecognized Brahman and particle in ignorance); second, recognition that the thought is not the totality of Who We Are (recognized Brahman with particle in Witness mode) (and this Understanding might correlate well with and result from Tom's realization that every thought is an addiction); third, paying loving attention to the thought, enlivening it into its pristine devata-nature (recognized Krishna with particle in god- conscious mode); fourth, quickening it still further until we see ourSelf in it, and it in Us (recognized Shiva with particle in Unity); fifth, back to center with there is and has ever been only One (rishi, devata and chandas are again identical). As an interesting aside, we've noted that the centermost nakshatra is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma; i.e., rishi, devata and chandas are One as Brahma(n), the eternal Now, perceived as a kind of supernal Self- radiance (Brahma being the Light of Consciousness). However, the nature of consciousness is to pulsate out from this Now-point further and further backwards (and forwards) in spacetime to embrace more and more of not-Self into Self (thus Shiva/Unity, Krishna/G.C., Brahman/C.C., and so on). Growth is built into the system, for the *only* place at which the two ends of this pulse are as thoroughly fulfilling as the centerpoint is when the whole of the 27 Nakshatra-states are spanned: for the very first one, Conception, is Vishnu-Vishnu- Vishnu (rishi, devata and chandas are One as Love-Being), and the last one, Dissolution, is Shiva-Shiva-Shiva (rishi, devata and chandas are one as Utter Bliss). These three points are the only ones (on this map at least) where rishi, devata and chandas are identical. It is here we have the full embrace of Sat-Chit-Ananda or Love- Light- Laughter, and the simultaneous Understanding of true transcendence, that We are none of these; we are Unqualified. The mystery of the 28th Nakshatra! :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in some senses it's actually the reverse. The addiction aspect is secondary; what's important is the self-medication aspect, whether with substances or with a particular type of activity. One may or may not become addicted to either. I suspect just about everybody has a very dim, inchoate sense of the Self and of what it would be like to be nonattached, to not be overshadowed by the struggles of daily life, and find that certain behaviors (different ones for different people) tend to help lessen the feeling of being overshadowed while one is engaging in them. The temporary feeling of relief is usually an illusion, of course, and it may lead to even greater attachment if the behavior does become addictive, even if the behavior is healthy, like running or playing a musical instrument. (Even meditation is sometimes said to be an addiction.) But the drive, the motivation, to engage in the behavior is, it seems to me, *away* from the self and *toward* the Self, whether or not it's understood as such. Yes! On the one hand, the addictive behavior-pattern is actually a denied particle clamoring for sattvic love/attention from Wholeness (rather than the tamasic denial or rajasic indulgence it usually gets), and on the other, the attachment-to-other qualities of addiction actually do, when lovingly attended to, bring those so- called not-Self identifications into a yet-more-inclusive Self. Either way, we win ... in the long run :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
Thanks, Jim, this is most interesting! I had just finished reading in Swami Vishnu Devananda's Meditation and Mantras (which also includes a nice translation of Patanjali's YS) that each of the paths had its specific strengths and weaknesses. If I remember correctly he said the bhaktas suffered a lot along the way, as their faith was constantly being tested to the limits, whereas the jnanas' weakness tended to be an overemphasis on the intellectual sheath, despite their assertions of unity with Brahman. If Brian Teitzman's revised version of Ed Tarabilda's system is correct I'm actually a Surya (Solar path of synthesis, a little of each, which feels right), so I'd guess I have some of the flaws of all ... along with a good dollop of Solar pride (perhaps masked by false modesty) just for good measure, I imagine :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My way has always been more bhakti-ish, and I just wanted to comment that prior to Incarnation of the Whole as stated above, being bhakti- ish was pretty hell-ish(!), it sucked big time, like being in a constant tug of war with God, being forced to surrender, and yet being very fearful of the consequences. Facing death 24x7. Like walking a minefield blindfolded, or constantly cliff jumping (which is more what it felt like in my mind and body). Of course all of the fear and drama were not due to my surrender to God, but rather due to not having yet collapsed into an Incarnation of Wholeness; Awakening. And so I just had this peephole of my bound perception to look out from while undertaking this complete surrender, this series of cliff- jumping exercises. Scary stuff yet very, very powerful, and absolutely real- straight through the Fire. Existing as a naked thought within the Mind of God. Since all of the fear was built on illusion, I came to realize, Afterwards (Ha-Ha!), that not only was I always safe in my boundary breaking endeavors (being precisely attuned to the Supreme Being always includes a safety net- It Is Divine Law), but once the collapse or release into Wholeness occurred, my relationship with the Lord deepened immeasurably into an unanticipated depth of fulfillment, the rewards and extent of which continue to overwhelm me with gratitude and love. The complete joy of surrender is that for what little I am able to give, I receive a hundred times in return. Its pretty cool! Real freedom in total surrender, complete intimacy. Jai Guru Dev Om Shiva To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recognition Is Liberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: And I'd like to emphasize that all of this looks way more complicated than it actually Is. None of this implies we actually have to do anything -- Let's just call this the UD, the Universal Disclaimer. Sort of like no rebroadcast on the accounts and description of this game can be made without the expressed written consent of.. So, this n that, n this n that, but acually UD. lurk *lol* Right, lurk. In the interests of perfect accuracy I probably should have said, None of this implies we actually have to do anything other than to simply BE and then (as always) do the Next Obvious Thing :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recognition Is Liberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know I love you Rory. I'm just glad to have you back. lurk Aww, thanks, lurk. I love all of you guys too. I never left, actually - - just wasn't moved to write for awhile :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory- Thanks for this- it is always helpful to get some independent validation of one's experiences and I appreciate you sharing this. I had written what I did regarding a bhakti-ish path also because I wanted to dispel the image of someone chanting to God with finger cymbals on (!) and a lot of mood-making, and indicate that the path is every bit as rigorous, and rewarding, as any other way to liberation. My use of the term 'bhakti-ish' also indicates that there is a dose of jnani thrown in as well, though I tend to keep any intellectual understanding to a bare minimum, lest I get caught up in it. I track just enough so that I know where I am at all times. Yes, yours is definitely a Path with Heart :-) Two more things: First, similar to your comments regarding not having to *do* anything about the 27 (28) Nakshatras, *lol* Just 27. I was making a joking reference to Akasha/New Morning's joke about them and the secret 28th (or words to that effect). and the way of liberation feeling 'right', we don't choose our way of liberation, whether bhakti or jnani. It just comes naturally. Absolutely -- again, more of a description than a prescription! Second, regarding all the suffering of the bhakti, once liberation is reached, there is not only no longer any suffering, but the relationship with God is so intimate, so friendly, so normal, that going forward becomes like the experience of a kid in a candy store, or like just going about one's daily business with our favorite Saint, Master, God or Goddess at our side, ready for any kind of interaction. it is really an amazing experience, yet completely normal. Yes, I love that ordinary extraordinariness! Maharishi has said that all paths find their fulfillment in liberation anyway, so regardless of the bus we boarded to get here, here we are! *lol* Yes -- no matter where we go... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From the same friend who told me the dome numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still shaking with heavy movements 35 years after the heavy rounding TTCs? Wow. Lots of neck snaps, left and right, I suppose too. Where is Dr. Elliot and his thorizen? I bet that's intended as another joke, right? :-D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness (Was: To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 22, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Rory Goff wrote: The traditional translation of Phalguni as red one does not make a lot of sense to me. I am tempted to see Phal- as fruit and -Guni as guna, action To be honest, at first I thought something like that, too. But I'd say that's ruled out by the fact that 'n' in 'phalguni' is dental whereas in 'guNa' it's cerebral aka retroflex (indicated in Harvard-Kyoto convention by 'N'). The difference between these is a bit hard to hear because it's not a so called distinctive feature in, say, English. Many thanks, Card. Yes, it was tempting, but then illusory fruit often is :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your Wholeness apparently doesn't allow anger and humorlessness -- does that perhaps make anger and humorlessness more powerful than Wholeness, capable of overshadowing Wholeness? It's a fascinating thing -- one would think we could take our anger and *convert* it to humor, thereby apparently killing two birds with one stone, but it seems if we don't feed the anger and humorlessness through the Brahmic sun of self-recognition and unconditional acceptance, we aren't really providing a clean burn and are left with particulate pollution :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a pureland? Any found in Australia? Around the Mediterranean? They are everywhere. I know there have been practices found among the Aborigines of Australia which are the same as practices leading to the rainbow body, so certainly there are purelands manifesting there. A pureland is a buddhafield, typically manfested thru the aspiration of a bodhisattva coinciding with the good karma of certain sentient beings at a certain place. They are like doorways where interdimensional contact with other enlightened beings is easier. They are an expression of the awakened state and thus represent great opportunities for accelerated practice. An example would be Uddiyana, Shambhala or Siddha-ashram. Monument Valley Canyon de Chelly Carizo Gorge Haleakala Siddhapur, Fairfield, Iowa -- where every day is a kumbha-mela :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purelands, was: Dome total numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that the Native Americans used to consider Fairfield a sacred spot, and would come from great distances for gatherings here. We still do :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purelands, was: Dome total numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/23/05 1:24 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Siddhapur, Fairfield, Iowa -- where every day is a kumbha-mela :-) Yeah. Local ordinances allow naked, ash-covered Sadhus to wander around town. It's pretty cool, but the locals are still getting used to it. Well, the locals *did* try jailing a few naked sadhus at first, but the sadhus kept walking through the walls back out onto the streets, so what else could the locals do but legalize nudity as a valid form of religious expression? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purelands, was: Dome total numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/23/05 3:27 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/23/05 1:24 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Siddhapur, Fairfield, Iowa -- where every day is a kumbha- mela :-) Yeah. Local ordinances allow naked, ash-covered Sadhus to wander around town. It's pretty cool, but the locals are still getting used to it. Well, the locals *did* try jailing a few naked sadhus at first, but the sadhus kept walking through the walls back out onto the streets, so what else could the locals do but legalize nudity as a valid form of religious expression? Next before the city council: cremation grounds down by the reservoir. Adds those sorely-needed trace minerals to the water supply. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 27 States of consciousness: gaps in transcendence etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think you are on to something here. My attunement these days is definitely, and perhaps always has been in the visible light to ultraviolet spectrum. Love that ultraviolet!!! Here's some more on the question you brought up when wondering what was between Shiva and Vishnu as one was traversing the outside of the Hiranyagarbha, and we were reminded of the thin golden disk or equatorial band which was the projection of and from the central Brahma-sun-- this thin band is indictive of the gap one encounters when flipping from one side of a transcendent state to the another. Thus within the state of Transcendence, between the subtlest Being/Love of Transcendence-I (Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva) and the densest Consciousness/Light of its other side, Transcendence-II (Brahma- Vishnu-Vishnu) -- is the gap apparently overseen by Leo and the 7 Rishis of the Great Bear (Ursa Major), at Swargaloka between the Sex Center and the Navel Center. This gap is that-which-is-NOT any of the properties of the two sides: hence it could be called a shadow Shiva- Brahma-Brahma -- or a state of death. Similarly the gap between Transcendence-II-prime at the subtlest Consciousness/Light (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva) and its other side of densest Bliss, Transcendence-I-prime (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu) -- that gap apparently overseen by the Galactic Center, at Janaloka between the Heart and the Throat -- is that-which-is-NOT any of the properties of the to sides: a shadow Vishnu-Brahma-Brahma, or a state of birth. Finally, the remaining gap -- between Blissful Dissolution, Shiva- Shiva-Shiva and Loving Conception, Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu -- is that- which-is-NOT any of these properties: the shadow Brahma-Brahma- Brahma, or state of golden no-time-space, that thin gold band of perfect equilibrium between the utter dissolution of Shiva and the beginnings of Vishnu's coalescence. In the lunar phases this shadow Brahma-Brahma corresponds to the moment when the moon is actually conjunct the sun. In the Nakshatra-system we were discussing, this moment is apparently overseen by the Pleaides, at Sat-Loka, between the crown and the feet. Apprently this would also be the true Sat- Yuga :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: HA HA - A name and form joke] Pyramid souls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These 'pyramid people' present an interesting challenge to our attachments and boundaries. If we look within ourselves, particularly in waking state, who of us would not want to cease struggling, cease dealing with problems, and live in deep complete bliss fulfillment? It is a paradox- if we are OK with our daily problems and struggles, then we cannot be said to be suffering. On the other hand, if we wish to be free of them, what is wrong with an eternity in bliss? And this is not a partial bliss, it is the satisfaction of every deepest desire we have known, beyond the emotions of feeling really, really good, beyond any transient desire we can imagine. What is wrong with that? Is it again a case for us of not wanting to be here now, yet not wanting to have our problems solved either? It would *appear* the Pyramid People represent a crystallized understanding that is less than full or whole, as their sense of self seems not to encompass the awareness of self-as-everyone, or everyone-in-self -- so that they are not availing themselves of the dynamic joy of growing with others as ever more ignorance is dissolved into one's bliss. In other words, by artificially or prematurely limiting their sense of self, they are actually depriving themselves of deeper and deeper understandings and identifications with other aspects of god and human and what it means to be both of these simultaneously ... of course, this whole thing is but another story... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 27 States of consciousness: gaps in transcendence etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think you are on to something here. My attunement these days is definitely, and perhaps always has been in the visible light to ultraviolet spectrum. Love that ultraviolet!!! Here's some more on the question you brought up when wondering what was between Shiva and Vishnu as one was traversing the outside of the Hiranyagarbha, and we were reminded of the thin golden disk or equatorial band which was the projection of and from the central Brahma-sun-- this thin band is indictive of the gap one encounters when flipping from one side of a transcendent state to the another. Thus within the state of Transcendence, between the subtlest Being/Love of Transcendence-I (Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva) and the densest Consciousness/Light of its other side, Transcendence-II (Brahma- Vishnu-Vishnu) -- is the gap apparently overseen by Leo and the 7 Rishis of the Great Bear (Ursa Major), at Swargaloka between the Sex Center and the Navel Center. This gap is that-which-is-NOT any of the properties of the two sides: hence it could be called a shadow Shiva- Brahma-Brahma -- or a state of death. Similarly the gap between Transcendence-II-prime at the subtlest Consciousness/Light (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva) and its other side of densest Bliss, Transcendence-I-prime (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu) -- that gap apparently overseen by the Galactic Center, at Janaloka between the Heart and the Throat -- is that-which-is-NOT any of the properties of the to sides: a shadow Vishnu-Brahma-Brahma, or a state of birth. Finally, the remaining gap -- between Blissful Dissolution, Shiva- Shiva-Shiva and Loving Conception, Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu -- is that- which-is-NOT any of these properties: the shadow Brahma-Brahma- Brahma, or state of golden no-time-space, that thin gold band of perfect equilibrium between the utter dissolution of Shiva and the beginnings of Vishnu's coalescence. In the lunar phases this shadow Brahma-Brahma corresponds to the moment when the moon is actually conjunct the sun. In the Nakshatra-system we were discussing, this moment is apparently overseen by the Pleaides, at Sat-Loka, between the crown and the feet. Apprently this would also be the true Sat- Yuga :-) Very interesting, as I was seeing or imagining the original view of Vishnu/Brahma/Shiva as a sphere. This then is a description of the other side of that sphere, as you say of flipping from one trascendent state to another. It balances the energy, and creates the wholeness. It might be interesting to see what the correlations of the 27 states of consciousness are, as viewed from this other side, rather like the negative of a photograph. Very blissful! Thank you. Yes, OK; I would see Vishnu-Brahma-Shiva as a torus, with Vishnu (Love, Matter, Sattva) being the movement away from the equator and shrinking as it approaches the (say, south) pole, and then inverting into a cone or mountain or pyramid sucking or coalescing from the surface down (or up) inside toward the center point, Brahma (Light, Consciousness, Rajas). The other side, moving from the center away and out the opposite side's cone or mountain or pyramid, diffusing and dispersing back out to the (say, north pole's) surface and back on itself towards the equator, would be Shiva (Energy, Bliss, Tamas). The equator itself would be the shadow Brahma, the momentary equilibrium before shrinking back towards the pole and in as Vishnu again. As far as I can see, these gaps only exist in a major way at the three places earlier described, because only there are the gunas concentrated and polarized enough to cast a large intermediary shadow of not-this. Between the other sub-sub-gunas, the momentary shadow cast actually manifests a moment later anyhow: hence (for example) between Brahma-Vishnu-Visnu and Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma, there is no real shadow between Brahma-Vishnu- and Brahma-Vishnu, as they are the same. The mainguna shadow for Brahma- would be *both* Shiva and Vishnu, and the subguna shadow for -Vishnu- would be *both* Brahma and Shiva: too blurry in other words to really define a shadow. The only real shadow would be the tertiary one of (Brahma- Vishnu)-Shiva, which appears a moment later anyhow. However, between Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (G.C.) and Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (U.C.), one *could* posit a secondary shadow of (Brahma)-Shiva-Brahma (Shiva- consciousness, complement of C.C.; THAT AM I) -- but again, as the mainguna (Brahma) is the same, you're not going to get as distinct a shadow-effect as you do between Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva and Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu, or between Brahma-Shiva-Shiva and Shiva
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: HA HA - A name and form joke] Pyramid souls
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, my take on this also. However, I believe the clue in all of this to be Vaj's statement that the 'pyramid people' are seen when one *begins* to transcend duality. And that some would seek enlightenment as a further narcissistic tendency. This seems to me to be antithetical, even impossible, with regard to progress towards enlightenment, and full permutation of bliss consciousness. I don't understand how, on the one hand, we can grow significantly towards a pure nervous system and at the same time maintain the sense of self as isolated. The sense of self as isolated is at odds with a pure nervous system. It all seems very ignorant, almost sub- human. Or sub-Godhead anyway, which is really the same thing... Well FWIW the 27-state model shows several possibilities for this occuring -- the simplest might be if after Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (Crucifixion or Brahman or Nirvana) one progresses only as far as Brahma-Shiva-Shiva, at the subtlest end of Brahma's egg -- here one would still be identifying with subtlest light, and even pretty strong secondary bliss channeling down from Shiva's realm through oneself and into manifest creation -- this might be seen as the lower end of Janaloka. However, if the model is right, one could even ascend into the first third of Shiva's realm (Shiva-Vishnu subsubgunas), embracing and dissolving the weak force (and thus knowing physical immortality) but not yet truly embracing and dissolving the strong force (sense of separate self) until the middle third of the realm (Shiva-Brahma subsubgunas)... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world where the human species live is formed by four spheres called Bhur, Bhuvar, Svar and Mahar. Bhur is the earth, Bhuvar the atmosphere, Svar the planetary world and Mahar an extraplanetary world, perhaps the one we attribute these days to the extraterrestrials. Its duration is longer than that of the terrestrial world. It is there that some men will find refuge at the time of the catastrophe that will destroy the entire species at the end of the Kali Yuga. My current understanding -- open to revision -- is Bhur-loka (correlated with the base chakra) is the physical plane; Bhuvar-loka (sex chakra) is the astral plane, and our biosphere; Swarga-loka (navel) is the mental (Manasic) plane and the planet as a whole (whereas Hrit, the Sacred Heart between the navel and the heart, equates to the Sun and Solar System); and Mahar-loka (heart) is the intuitional (Buddhic) plane, which includes (I believe) the constellation-awareness embracing our Sun, and centered more specifically perhaps in the Sirius system. Jana-loka (throat) is the Atmic plane of Mahat, associated with galactic-consciousness. Interestingly, the 27-state system places Jana- loka in the gap between state 17 (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva, complement of transcendence-II), Purva Ashada nakshatra, and state 18 (Shiva-Vishnu- Vishnu, complement of transcendence-I), Uttara Ashadha nakshatra. Purva Ashada is delta Sagittarii and Uttara Ashada is sigma Sagittarii, which places the gap itself in Sagittarius, lately acknowledged as the location of our Galactic center. This gap would be the afterimage Vishnu-Brahma-Brahma, or birth... perhaps the birth of our Galaxy :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My current understanding -- open to revision --snip *lol* Here's a possible revision already, mapped onto 9 chakras: Bhur-loka (between crown-chakra of next-lower Being and feet chakra of this Being) is the physical plane; Bhuvar-loka (base chakra) is the astral plane; Swarga-loka (midway between sex and navel, gap between transcendence-I and transcendence-II, overseen by the 7 rishis of the Great Bear) is the area between the upper astral and the mental (Manasic) plane; Mahar-loka (Hrit, the Solar Plexus or Sacred Heart midway between the navel and the heart), equates to the Sun and Solar System, spanning the causal realm between navel: mental plane of earth, and heart: the intuitional (Buddhic) plane, which includes (I believe) the constellation-awareness embracing our Sun, and centered more specifically perhaps in the Sirius system. Jana-loka (thymus region, between heart and throat, and between buddhic plane and the Atmic plane of Mahat) is associated with galactic-consciousness. Interestingly, the 27-state system places Jana-loka in the gap between state 17 (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva, complement of transcendence-II), Purva Ashada nakshatra, and state 18 (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu, complement of transcendence-I), Uttara Ashadha nakshatra. Purva Ashada is delta Sagittarii and Uttara Ashada is sigma Sagittarii, which places the gap itself in Sagittarius, lately acknowledged as the location of our Galactic center. This gap would be the afterimage Vishnu-Brahma-Brahma, or birth... perhaps the birth of our Galaxy. Tapa-loka (third-eye, the plane of Avyakta) would then be something like galactic-cluster-consciousness, and Sat-loka (bindu-point above crown-chakra and below the feet-chakra of the next-higher Being) would be Universal-consciousness. Again, this is only a (rather crude) map, ommitting the harmonics showing the absolutely essential Unity of the highest (Sat-loka) and the lowest (Bhur-loka) and the midmost (Mahar-loka): the triple- Sun of the earth-chakra below our feet, the heaven-chakra overhead, and the Solar-plexus or Sacred-Heart chakra in our middle -- all forms of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma, or Pure Consciousness. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rory! I really enjoyed reading this post, as I do many of yours. I just enjoy reading the clarity that is manifest, like looking into the future, albeit through the differential lens of your perspective. Hey Jim! Many thanks; I am most happy to hear you are digging it. As you see, I have shifted gears a bit, taking care of the few densities remaining here on my own time, in my own field, in silence -- and using FFL rather as a forum to think out loud, helping me ground and flesh out various understandings and hypotheses. Some may say that your writing is weird or something. I for one find it a refreshing view of life that is as normal as it is refreshing. A little of both, I reckon :-) After all I am sure that there are places other than Earth where similar writings to yours are seen as similar to what we here appreciate as doctoral theses in our most historic universities. Not quite mundane, but certainly commonplace, and well understood underpinnings of cognition. *lol* That's what I (and I suspect many of us) often do in deep sleep -- go to various realms and download stuff :-) It makes me wonder what this world would be like if more that many of us here on this list take as common experience was widely understood as such. (not that I mind it the way it is...) Yes, it is all good! Along those lines, I realize I erred in calling my previous post a 9- chakra map -- it really is 27 (sub-)chakras (of course) :-) ... and along those same lines, that three-tier (guna, subguna, sub-subguna) 27-state system is really begging to be seen *all* as 27 substates of a Maha-Brahma, part of a more inclusive 81-state (four-tier) system including a 27-state Maha-Vishnu and a 27-state Maha- Shiva...the lovely thing about 81 states (or subchakras) is it allows for a fully-fleshed 9 x 9 matrix including holographic subcastes of all nine castes, dealing with all nine states of Being: Nine categories of Servant, dealing with the elemental realm; nine of Artisan, dealing with the mineral realm (base center; material objects) nine of Merchant, dealing with the vegetable realm (sex center; prana, food); nine tiers of Military, dealing with the animal realm (navel center; power); nine forms of Ruler, dealing with the human realm (Hrit center or Solar Plexus; mercy and judgement); nine of the Clerics (Brahmans) dealing with the ancestral realm (heart center; compassion and devotion; symbolism and ritual); nine of the Mages dealing with the Angelic realm (throat center; magical vibration; music and speech); nine of the Sages or Seers dealing with the divine realm (brow center; time and space); and nine of the Elohim dealing with the Unified realm (crown center)...and again, Servant, Ruler, and Elohim are essentially the same...kind of all reminds me of Tolkien's nine rings...:-) Interestingly (perhaps), within the larger context, the old 27-state model only embraced the kshatriyas, the rajas, and the Brahmans -- the middle three of the nine consciousness-castes...:-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Mahesh's full Age of Enlightenment technique, he actually attributes the seven lokas (and their mantras) to different parts of the body--satya loka being the crown of the head--future consciousness. Below the muladhara are the seven patala lokas, the hells. Interesting; this would all tally with my own understanding as well. Except for satya-loka being future consciousness, that is :-) Many thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippus magnus ...and again, Servant, Ruler, and Elohim are essentially the same...snip Or more accurately, the One who higher than the Elohim, is also the One who is lower than the Servants, and the One who is the Ruler of Rulers... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippus giganticus *lol* That's what I (and I suspect many of us) often do in deep sleep -- go to various realms and download stuff :-) Just reminded me of an invention I found in my sleep the other night, taking the link between musical media and personal choice further, blending in synthesis. So the way it worked was that a person would hum a melody, allowing for pitch settings (sharp, flat, etc.) and then the invention would produce the melody in the context and instrumentation of whatever genre of music was desired; country, rock, classical, reggae, whatever. The melody could be enhanced, sustained, or elaborated as the musician went along. Sort of a musical sketchpad for the non- musician. Also came up with a body-as-instrument interface, activated by dancing, a few weeks ago. Very nice! Sounds as if you hang out a lot in the Gandharva- lokas ... does your wife know? :-) (My wife BTW according to Shastri- Ji is a gandharva, a celestial entertainer, with most of her life force expressing through music and dance and art, which I can definitely see. I am apparently a yaksha, which didn't make a lot of sense to me until I read Harish Johari's description of yakshas and yaksha-loka in his great book/game Leela -- all clicks now; they are apparently cognizers of cosmic laws/mechanics and such *lol* ) snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never would've guessed ;) *lol* Possibly related to cosmic justice and government? Could be; I don't recall his mentioning such though. He did say at first I was from kinnara-loka (realm of celestial entertainers/creators who travel freely between all the lokas), so maybe comic justice? :-) --later adding that I cognized lots of stuff and was a yaksha. Don't recall his saying anything about government... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quite a leap. Reminiscent of the recent Ganga-ji leap (I never met her so it must have been her.) Jim wasn't entirely incorrect, actually, as to the identity of the G. Rasa was arguing with: apparently she is an American whose Hindu name is Swami Ganga-Puri Kaliuttamananda-Giri; hence she could well be known as Ganga-Ji :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You certainly cognize it well enough; cosmic levels of energy n' stuff. Possibly like my apparent ability to design musical stuff but have little interest in actually playing it. Off and away, to play, and play, and play! Ooops! Damn, just gave away the ultra top secret of life... Yes, all those strata are essentially a mind-game to me -- the only one that really counts as far as governance is concerned is our intimacy with and Love of Divine Mother, for She is Our marriage to and dance with all of creation :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Off and away, to play, and play, and play! Ooops! Damn, just gave away the ultra top secret of life... Yes, all those strata are essentially a mind-game to me -- the only one that really counts as far as governance is concerned is our intimacy with and Love of Divine Mother, for She is Our marriage to and dance with all of creation :-) And speaking of the play of Divine Mother, I *highly* recommend chanting the Sri Lalithambika Sahasranama Stotram -- the 1000 names of Mother Divine :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. I also take the time to read most of the commentary for each chant before going on to the next one. I have been doing this for only about a week now, but have noticed immediate and profound benefits. But then, most if not all of my recent breakthroughs in deeper understandings are attributable to my recent Durga-yagya attendances. (I also recomend Conscious Loving by the Hendrickses.) I also cannot overlook the profound atmosphere of Fairfield and its *numerous* saints, both sung and unsung, with whom we contantly associate. Both of us are thoroughly content here; it is like an ocean of Love :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. snip OK, the math is off here somewhere -- I am up around the 933d name, so either I chant more than 30/night or I have been practicing for more than a week. Some of both I suspect :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. snip OK, the math is off here somewhere -- I am up around the 933d name, so either I chant more than 30/night or I have been practicing for more than a week. Some of both I suspect :-) I am interested- as long as I don't get all spaced out when I do it, I'll give it a shot. What is the title of the book please? There is a good bookstore nearby where I will look for it. Thank you. Sri Lalithambika Sahasranama Stotram -- best to get one with transliterations (for easy pronunication) and engish translations :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Makes sense to me. Interesting how our gross senses tell us that we are separate beings, yet what *feels* true, and leads to more and more knowledge; infinite expansion as far as I can tell, is that we are all one. With the other assumption, of being separate, we tend to run dry. Yes, the separatist assumption worked very well for the scientific method and all its bounty, but does indeed run dry ... and cold! :- ) And as far as *meaningful* knowledge goes, it does appear the way to go now is via the unitive assumption, which of course *includes* the separatist one as well *lol* Curious- sorta like that thing with the sun apparently rising and setting but it really doesn't...Celestial humor? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just curious. Some folks do chant from memory. I have always thought would be nice. Yes, I believe it will be :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] But you have/had expectations of what it is NOT like... Yes, Lawson. That's what I said to start with and what I've been saying all along. The folks who try to convince us we're already enlightened are fond of suggesting that we have some elaborate, exalted, flashy intellectual notions of what enlightenment is like. I'm simply saying that isn't the case with me. I have no idea what enlightenment is like; I only know it isn't what *ignorance* is like. So you define enlightenment by exclusion... My single criterion is one of exclusion, yes. I don't claim it amounts to anything like a complete definition. Beautifully put. This single criterion by definition excludes the a priori perfection (enlightenment) in this present state (ignorance). By deciding that it is other-than-this, one makes it so. The joke is, we then forget that we a priori decided that this isn't it; we forget that we have withheld our unconditional love and blessings from the appreciation of this moment, and so we think that we are bound into something more profound than our own not-this decision, somehow at the mercy of our perceptions, something external to us, more powerful than we are. By denying the innate criterionless perfection of this moment, we deny recognizing the subtle unity of this perfect moment in here and ourSelf out there, and believe ourself to be immersed in pure duality, a tiny being trapped within the otherness of not-now -- of desire, memory and spacetime! I am not saying that merely reading these lines will necessarily be sufficient for realizing the true nature and equivalence of Self and this -- the realization of Unity or Brahman is (or can be) immensely profound and powerful but also is supremely subtle, and though omnipresent and eternal it is very easily overlooked by more concrete aspects of our mind (attachments, ideations, etc.), until they cease to entrance us and fall away. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility for one's own perceptions; in making a conscious choice to bless ourselves and our World unconditionally, thereby taking the perfection of the World into our heart, and infusing it thoroughly with our being, with our Self. In any case, with posts on this topic, from now on I will read no further than the first word implying some sort of intentionality. If you have any desire to communicate with me about this, you'll have to figure out how to do it without using any such terms, because I find them disrespectful, insulting, and hostile. That's your choice, of course -- or not-choice, if you prefer :-) I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility -- is it because you equate responsibility with blame? This is not what I mean. I am not blaming you for your ignorance and suffering, nor am I implying that you have been consciously choosing it. No one consciously chooses to suffer. I am only saying that if you wish to *escape* suffering, you must allow that which has been *unconscious* to *become* conscious. Old pain will inevitably arise in this process; it is asking to be attended to, to be healed. If this time we *eat* it, digest or assimilate it with simple attention -- this too is OK; it is part of wholeness -- and with breath, we allow that old pain to finally die and reintegrate into the harmony of our greater whole, freeing up all the energy that went into keeping that part of ourselves not-OK and exiled. The Absolute (our consciousness) has now moved to where it was not; we have consequently grown in love (sat) and light (chit) and laughter (ananda)! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun: King Bhoja's commentary on aakaasha-gamana-suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attempt at translation (version 0.0.1): the body (kaayaH) [is], well, the body (shariiram) that consists of the five elements (paañca-bhautikam). Performing (vidhaaya) sanyama (saMyamaM) on its (tasya) relationship (saMbandhaH) to aakaasha (aakaashena) which is giving room (???avakaasha-daayakena), and having achieved (vidhaaya) the signs (lakSaNaam) of becoming (samaapattim) light (laghuni) as the essence (???tanmayiibhaava)of things like cotton fibre (tuulaadau), yogii who's become extremely light (praaptaatilaghu-bhaavaH) at first (prathamam) walking (saMcaran) as he likes (yathaaruci) on water (jale) gradually (krameNa [ krameNorna - krameNa + uurNa-] [being able?] to walk (saMcaramaaNa) on the web (tantu-jaalena) of a spider (uurNa-naabha) and moving (viharan) with the rays of sun (aaditya-rashmibhiH) [eventually?] goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena) as s/he wishes (yatheSTam - yathaa + iSTam) FWIW I do recall something like walking on the web of a spider; this consisted in seeing a cord spin out from my navel to a distant place and walking/running extremely lightly and swiftly along it -- it felt like a kind of horizontal levitation. Also the study of and identification with the various solar rays over the following few years was a very large part of my own ascension process :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! *lol* if not *I* then who? snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. There is at the heart of things only *I*; only the Self -- so who is to assign or receive credit or blame? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun: King Bhoja's commentary on aakaasha-gamana-suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, uurNa-naabha (spider) literally means (having)wool (on the) navel ... Ha! Most interesting! Many thanks, card; I never saw before how my own process of ascension was so clearly prefigured in the YS :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Truth is where you find it, I guess. Agreed! :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure there's a huge difference, and for those to whom it's important to engage in such discussions at the most profound levels, no doubt they could do a lot worse than attending Fairfield satsangs. But it's just not my bag, not part of my sadhana, so to speak. Chatting in electronic forums is fun, but I don't regard it as pursuing truth in any significant sense, at least not for me personally. Wow. Yet another place where we differ, *profoundly* :-) Though I certainly agree that immersion in a real-time satsang is in some ways more immediately and viscerally fulfilling than an electronic forum. I too wish to extend my heartiest welcome to you, Judy, to enjoy our Fairfield Kumbha Mela personally and physically *if* at any time you should ever have the slightest desire to do so! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure there's a huge difference, and for those to whom it's important to engage in such discussions at the most profound levels, no doubt they could do a lot worse than attending Fairfield satsangs. But it's just not my bag, not part of my sadhana, so to speak. Chatting in electronic forums is fun, but I don't regard it as pursuing truth in any significant sense, at least not for me personally. Wow. Yet another place where we differ, *profoundly* :-) Hey, Judy and I drank the TM koolaid years ago. Speaking for her (an unwise thing to do, I'll agree), its not in our worldview that this kind of discourse has ANY real value, compared to just meditating and living life. You may well be right, then, at least as far as you're concerned :-) I've recently been shown some rather profound things regarding my ongoing heart-connection to MMY and the Tradition of Masters, even *while* thinking I was a rebel doing my own thing. Everyone's path is doubtless perfect, and I suspect we all do eventually end up in the same place, the immortal Heart of God/dess, no matter how distinct our individual paths may appear to be. I'll also go on record now as saying it has also become abundantly clear that the technology behind TM is *perfect* even (or especially) as one moves beyond Mastery into becoming a Mahatma (for clarification of these terms, please see Harold W. Percival's brilliant book, Adepts, Masters, and Mahatmas) -- for where a Master (one who is no longer generating karma, but is still working off old karma) eats desires and transmutes them into the thoughts which build a Master's mental-body, a Mahatma (one who is no longer generating *or* working off old karma) eats thought itself, tracing it back into bliss and transmuting it into the divine radiance of the immortal body. TM in action! Along these same lines, I've also been shown that it is now no longer particularly appropriate for me to speak further: that speaking publicly of these matters has become (for me) something like indiscriminant use of the siddhis: a fruitless squandering of energy needed elsewhere. A true south-entrance, in other words -- and the only One entitled to face south is Dakshinamurti, the form of Shiva who teaches immortality -- *in silence* So for now, farewell, my brothers and sisters! I remain Yours always in Love, Light and Laughter! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, conscientious voters like yourself only get one vote... Or less, it seems, if Diebold or ES tallies it... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:03:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, duh. It's a country full of idiots whose heads are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low IQs. A few outright imbeciles, too. They never noticed the difference. :-) Were you ever in a marching band? Did it piss you off that everybody else played out of key and were out of step? Hey, dude...you're the one who still lives there... :-) Nah. Most of us live in the Unified Field. Though I do get pissed at some those bozons flying around. Bozons. Are they the particles that always laugh, never cry? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:03:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, duh. It's a country full of idiots whose heads are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low IQs. A few outright imbeciles, too. They never noticed the difference. :-) Were you ever in a marching band? Did it piss you off that everybody else played out of key and were out of step? Hey, dude...you're the one who still lives there... :-) Nah. Most of us live in the Unified Field. Though I do get pissed at some those bozons flying around. Bozons. Are they the particles that always laugh, never cry? Have no idea what kind of particles bozons are. (Yup, I know...) boson (bŽÆson), n. Physics. any particle that obeys Bose-Einstein statistics: bosons have integral spins: 0, 1, 2, … Cf. fermion. [1945–50; named after S. N. Bose (1894–1974), Indian physicist; see - ON1] Thanks, Card. Yes, bosons I had heard of, but not (till yesterday) bozons... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/5/05 7:20 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Pussy. :-) You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut your pie hole. Ah, the nostalgia. It's been months since I heard that phrase. Pi-(w)hole = the ratio of the diameter (through-measure = through- Matter = through-Mother: two opposing/complementary radii or rays) to the circumference, the embracing of the holy Whole :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murder by negligence. All confirmed via the life TV feed at: http://www.wdsu.com. Blatently lacking: aid activity. One helicopter and Bush on his second visit. Devestation. I watched for about an hour some 12 hours ago and all Duane states became horrible truth for me on live TV. I have *never* seen the media so energized as it is by this catastrophe, never seen so many furiously, righteously angry journalists, both print and TV. Even CNN's Wolf Blitzer is pissed (although with him it's hard to tell). It's quite extraordinary. I could be wrong of course, but it strikes me as perhaps simply more of the old problem-reaction-response cycle shown so clearly in the events around 9/11: A problem is engineered, producing the expected outcry and clamor (fostered nicely by the media), resulting in the response or solution which was intended all along. In both 9/11 and NO, the problem was perceived as inefficient government response to a major crisis; in 9/11 the solution was the Patriot Act and Homeland Security; after NO it will probably be the yet-further strengthening of FEMA. The Patriot Act appealed to the conservatives' desire for greater security, while the FEMA Act will appeal to the liberals' desire to show more compassion. In both cases, the results will be the same: stronger (corporate) government, weaker individual rights. This in itself is not necessarily a bad thing; it is simply not what the founders of the USA apparently had in mind. In some cases at least, it appears that the major crisis itself was pre-orchestrated. On 9/11 some of us intuited that the destruction of the Towers was an event engineered by (among others) portions of our own government. In 2004 Michael Ruppert provided abundant evidence for this conspiracy in his book Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. While I had no such intuitions about NO, weather-control is certainly a siddhi, as is earthquake-control. Probably some portions of our government have access to Reichian weather-control technology, and I understand that HAARP is capable of producing earthquakes. On FFL I read that FEMA said that the three most likely disasters to hit America would be a terrorist attack on New York, a hurricane hitting New Orleans, and an earthquake in L.A. That's two out of three, now; was this FEMA report merely a prediction, or an actual plan of attack? If I were in L.A. I might consider moving away for awhile... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) It just goes to show the penis mightier than the sword :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could be wrong of course, but it strikes me as perhaps simply more of the old problem-reaction-response cycle shown so clearly in the events around 9/11: A problem is engineered, producing the expected outcry and clamor (fostered nicely by the media), resulting in the response or solution which was intended all along. This is satire, right? If you like, sure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: To set The Beatles' TM record straight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no! Not another goddamn poet On FFL... Should be: O gosh no! Not another goddam poet On our FFL... Or: Oh, good golly, no! Another goddam poet On our FFL... I love Nethaiku. My favorite is the one penned by my brother on the weighty subject of spam, in classic 5-7-5 meter: Oh no! Another spam about penis length. I mean, how do they know? :-) It just goes to show the penis mightier than the sword :-) But, if so, please spare us from your accounts with your sparing partner. Simply sublime :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could be wrong of course, but it strikes me as perhaps simply more of the old problem-reaction-response cycle shown so clearly in the events around 9/11: A problem is engineered, producing the expected outcry and clamor (fostered nicely by the media), resulting in the response or solution which was intended all along. This is satire, right? If you like, sure. So you were serious. Wow. I would never have pegged you for a tinfoil-hatter. If you like, sure. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about this post; I had passed it along, from another writer in Canada; Had skimmed through it; but see that it does seem to be satirical... Some people have the notion, that the government has 'secret weapons' that can control the weather. I think a rain dance is probably more effective... I believe Judy was probably objecting to my post more than to yours, Robert. Yes, I suspect a rain dance -- if it properly attunes intention and/or cooperation with weather devas -- can probably be as effective as a Reichian weather-machine, or a wrestling-match with Indra, or a simple heartfelt prayerful desire, at affecting the weather :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could be wrong of course, but it strikes me as perhaps simply more of the old problem-reaction-response cycle shown so clearly in the events around 9/11: A problem is engineered, producing the expected outcry and clamor (fostered nicely by the media), resulting in the response or solution which was intended all along. This is satire, right? If you like, sure. So you were serious. Wow. I would never have pegged you for a tinfoil-hatter. If you like, sure. :-) Surely some of my previous statements (like everything is inside me, and I am inside everything) must have given you a clue that I am not particularly rational or sane by today's standards :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Vastu really correct, or of value?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I take full credit and blame for the above extrapolations of TMO trends towards an ultimate vedic conclusion. I have periodically made such extrapolative observations in the past, every 6-12 months or so. See the thread on Laws of Manu a while back that I started. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a recurrence of temple prostitution along the lines of the picture you painted, akasha :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could be wrong of course, but it strikes me as perhaps simply more of the old problem-reaction-response cycle shown so clearly in the events around 9/11: A problem is engineered, producing the expected outcry and clamor (fostered nicely by the media), resulting in the response or solution which was intended all along. This is satire, right? If you like, sure. So you were serious. Wow. I would never have pegged you for a tinfoil-hatter. If you like, sure. :-) Surely some of my previous statements (like everything is inside me, and I am inside everything) must have given you a clue that I am not particularly rational or sane by today's standards :-) Or my telling you that I LOVE You, and that You are already enlightened -- clearly I am bonkers, no? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying your status as an Awakened One validates your perception that 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina were engineered by our government? *lol* No. To anyone believing themselves unAwakened, my so- called status as an Awakened One validates exactly nothing -- other than my obvious irrationality. Well, that's not quite true -- I am validating the Me inside of You, and the You inside of Me, but if you are denying the former, you will probably be denying the latter, and vice versa, for they are the same. Many are documenting and validating the deeper details of 9/11, to my satisfaction at least. I have no idea really whether Hurricane Katrina was similarly engineered by *portions of* our government -- I am simply noting that the means were probably available (to some at least), the motive appears to be moving in the same pattern as that of 9/11, and as in 9/11, asking the question Cui bono? -- who benefits? -- may well provide a clue into who is preparing to benefit from the opportunities inherent in this latest problem - reaction - solution scenario. But as I noted before, I could be wrong :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about this post; I had passed it along, from another writer in Canada; Had skimmed through it; but see that it does seem to be satirical... Some people have the notion, that the government has 'secret weapons' that can control the weather. I think a rain dance is probably more effective... I believe Judy was probably objecting to my post more than to yours, Robert. Yes, I suspect a rain dance -- if it properly attunes intention and/or cooperation with weather devas -- can probably be as effective as a Reichian weather-machine, or a wrestling-match with Indra, or a simple heartfelt prayerful desire, at affecting the weather :-) Pretty powerful rain dance to invoke Katrina. This I believe is part of why most of us resist claiming our own enlightenment -- because as it unfolds, and we realize we are literally co-creating and upholding *everything* -- including all the violence, suffering, and so on -- we flinch back from taking on that sort of responsibility... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Murder by Negligence?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about this post; I had passed it along, from another writer in Canada; Had skimmed through it; but see that it does seem to be satirical... Some people have the notion, that the government has 'secret weapons' that can control the weather. I think a rain dance is probably more effective... I believe Judy was probably objecting to my post more than to yours, Robert. Yes, I suspect a rain dance -- if it properly attunes intention and/or cooperation with weather devas -- can probably be as effective as a Reichian weather-machine, or a wrestling- match with Indra, or a simple heartfelt prayerful desire, at affecting the weather :-) Pretty powerful rain dance to invoke Katrina. This I believe is part of why most of us resist claiming our own enlightenment -- because as it unfolds, and we realize we are literally co-creating and upholding *everything* -- including all the violence, suffering, and so on -- we flinch back from taking on that sort of responsibility... :-) True, that all of the relative waves within us that we co-create and uphold are not all sweetness and light, however there is a great sense of integrity and ongoing challenge to openly recognize and compassionately respond to negativity in our environment; responding to this world as if it is our own. Yes -- unless we are willing to embrace the negativity in unconditional love, we will continue to deny it as a part of ourselves and project it elsewhere -- where it will continue to plague us :-) Moreover, what a pure sweet joy it is when we encounter something as pure as a baby, or as perfect as my friend's newly occupied house (with a South facing entrance), and then our hearts and minds soar in the confident and strong support of such a thing. Just as we do our work daily with negative energies in our world, that very work gives us the right and the ability to strongly uphold positivity as well. Yes, quite so -- each negativity we swallow strengthens and enriches us, as offering every impurity to Shiva only feeds the divine flame :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, Maharihsi comments on his experieces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's living! Thanks for posting this!! I like the expression of the intellect turning inside out. Beautiful! Yes, and I particularly enjoyed the vivid understanding that all the states of consciousness are a lie and only wholeness ever was, is, or shall be :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, thanks. I'm interested in what you say about being too naive, though. Want to elaborate? Do you still think the world *could* be saved, or was that part of the naivete? snip That's what MMY did. He harvested the idealism and energy of one of the most energetic and idealistic generations to come down the pipe in some time, and put them on saving the world Many are still doing it, just as they did 30 yrs. ago. This is evidenced by the recent post about how to go about getting people back in the centers for checking, and refresher courses. Plus there is a wave of bliss welling up through the world that is like a rising tide ready to engulf everything and dissolve all stress. Have you not felt it occassionally in the brain and body, and in the world? Powerful, more than any other experience in life. And yet still an experience, still transitory, still (in the deepest sense) illusory...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yes , as I already pointed out in a previous post. Sorry I should have just said that. You seemed to be implying somehow -- because Jay's undertanding appears to have been precipitated by drugs -- that I believed that all drug-users were enlightened. I am saying only that wholeness recognizes itself. I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, thanks. I'm interested in what you say about being too naive, though. Want to elaborate? Do you still think the world *could* be saved, or was that part of the naivete? snip That's what MMY did. He harvested the idealism and energy of one of the most energetic and idealistic generations to come down the pipe in some time, and put them on saving the world Many are still doing it, just as they did 30 yrs. ago. This is evidenced by the recent post about how to go about getting people back in the centers for checking, and refresher courses. Plus there is a wave of bliss welling up through the world that is like a rising tide ready to engulf everything and dissolve all stress. Have you not felt it occassionally in the brain and body, and in the world? Powerful, more than any other experience in life. And yet still an experience, still transitory, still (in the deepest sense) illusory...? Not if it breaks the skin of the world and comes crashing through like the deluge in New Orleans...only purifying with bliss and nourishing all that which is good (I'll be annihilated no doubt, but I don't care). Yes, I suspect you and I are to be annihilated into Us, and that is all to the good ... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-) *lol* preciptating is missing the central (i) :-) awakening is everywhere Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :- ) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yes , as I already pointed out in a previous post. Sorry I should have just said that. You seemed to be implying somehow -- because Jay's undertanding appears to have been precipitated by drugs -- that I believed that all drug-users were enlightened. I am saying only that wholeness recognizes itself. I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-). Dude, we are going round in circles here. I already pointed this out in a previous post last night, before you pointed it out, and agree with it. Let us not disagree about our agreement. Who am I to disagree :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm raising relief funds -- PLEASE PARTICIPATE!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/05 2:32 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two of them end up liking each other AND WE WON'T HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO THEIR RANTS FOR THE NEXT 11 YEARS... But what if the two of them end up killing each other? Then you won't have to be subject to our rants forever. sounds like you're willing to put up with Unc inperson if people pay your way to Paris... ... or maybe Fairfield? Timed with Kirk's return, perhaps; we could have a big FFL (re)union :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy responds: The bottom line being that there is nothing that can be said about Brahman, positive or negative, of which the opposite is not also the case, because Brahman is One without a second. All possibilities is one way of putting it, but it doesn't quite convey how radical the Advaita paradox is. Tom T writes: No matter how radical that all sounds it is possible to be able to hold all that in the awake mind. Then it must be possible to be able to hold all that in the unawake mind too. All Possibilities. Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or between being asleep and being awake -- though oddly enough, as we have seen, only the experientially awake appear generally able to appreciate this to any visceral extent, while the self- diagnosed unawake or not yet awake often would appear rather strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- evident awake presence in favor of some not-present (not-here-now) idealized criteria. This self-denial would thus appear always to be itself a self- referent mistake of the intellect: attributing some imaginary (not- here-now) properties (or shoulds) to what is without properties, or only truly simply and nakedly what is in this moment, here-now, and then bewailing the absence of these same imaginary properties (or the presence of other less-desired imaginary properties) here- now, and thus invoking an overlay of space-time-desire etc. And yet somehow the intellect is eventually able to see through this same not-here-now overlay and abandon it into what always is, has always been, and always will be, the (non)radiant emptifulness of (not)self itself... How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from itself? My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or ones like them) as ideas or ideals and use them to *obscure* the reality they are intended to *describe* (which can of course appear quite horrible, gnarly, and so on as well as stunningly beautiful, etc.), and so the projection is underway, and don't we all love a good movie! Odd indeed, but as you say, All Possibilities...! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
Rory wrote: Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or between being asleep and being awake -- though oddly enough, as we have seen, only the experientially awake appear generally able to appreciate this to any visceral extent, while the self- diagnosed unawake or not yet awake often would appear rather strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- evident awake presence in favor of some not-present (not-here- now) idealized criteria. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or not. My only criterion, for instance, is not to be overshadowed. Judy, if that is a criterion that is not evidently present here-now, then I would respectfully suggest it is idealized, conceptual, and *obscuring* the perfect grace of the simple reality which is your birthright from yourself to yourself in this moment. In other words, I can pretty much guarantee you that as long as you are looking to be not overshadowed, that desire *itself* is going to overshadow you. You are bigger than the goal you are imagining; you can't shoehorn yourself with integrity into something that small. You can't deny any of it; you contain *all of it* :-) snip How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from itself? My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or ones like them) as ideas or ideals and use them to *obscure* the reality they are intended to *describe* (which can of course appear quite horrible, gnarly, and so on as well as stunningly beautiful, etc.), and so the projection is underway, and don't we all love a good movie! Judy wrote: Take a minute for a little thought experiment, Rory. Let's say we don't get attached. Let's say we've never *been* attached. Let's say human beans have always been realized. How far back would that apply, do you think, given that human beans--Homo sapiens--didn't emerge full- blown from the head of Zeus but evolved gradually from earlier humanoid species? Such is not precisely my understanding or experience, so far as self- aware consciousness goes. That evidently exists a priori. Yes, we apparently incarnate or have incarnated earlier forms of primate (as well as countless other forms, of course), but as far as I can see, that self-realization or self-awareness has always been present, before dropping into those forms, while in those forms, and after leaving those forms. And then I've got another question or two. As always, I am at your service, O She-who-is-wide-awake-even-in- sleep :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
Tom T writes: No matter how radical that all sounds it is possible to be able to hold all that in the awake mind. akasha_108 wrote: Then it must be possible to be able to hold all that in the unawake mind too. All Possibilities. Rory wrote: Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or between being asleep and being awake snip Akasha108 wrote: then why bring it up? You tell me; you're the one who brought it up; I was just agreeing with you :-) Rory wrote: -- though oddly enough, as we have seen, Akasha108 wrote: We have seen? I missed that paper, in what journal was that study published? Rory: The Journal of Irreproducible Results, vol. 1008, no. 108 IIRC. No, seriously -- we have seen here on FFL, the only journal really worth reading at this moment IMNSHO :-) Rory wrote: only the experientially awake appear generally able to appreciate this to any visceral extent, Akasha108 wrote: How many times do I have to tell you??!! Its an Understanding, not an Experience!! :) Rory writes: *lol* Yes; visceral appreciation is part of the full-bodied flavor of Understanding; it is not an experience, something enshrined in space and time as a memory or a desire, but we might certainly say that Understanding includes Experience, the two married together as ever-present apperception a la Jean Kline :-) Rory: while the self- diagnosed unawake or not yet awake often would appear Akasha108: appear to whom? Rory: Yes, appear to whom? Who is (t)here? Who is questioning, and who is answering? Who is writing, and who is reading? How many of Us are there, anyhow? rather strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- evident Akasha: straining is a bummer Rory: leads (or can lead) to hemorrhoids, I am told awake presence in favor of some not-present (not-here-now) idealized criteria. Akasha: Or maybe lots of other alternatives. (Tom doesn't like your black and white views, it appears.) No, Tom generally likes mine, because we speak the truth; we just don't like anyone else's, because if they pretend they are someone else, they are lying :-) This self-denial would thus appear Akasha: appear to whom? Rory: You tell me, Mr. A; appear to whom? Akasha: appearance as in apparition? Rory: appear as in appear? :-) always to be itself a self- referent mistake of the intellect: Akasha: God made faulty machinery? Has he issued a recall? Rory: *lol* Who says it was faulty? And who is he? attributing some imaginary (not- here-now) properties Akasha: What else is here other than the here and now? Are you imagining things again? :) Rory: Yes! :-) :-) (or shoulds) Akasha: and who is your imaginary attributor? Rory: Yes, Who? It would appear there is only one of us :-) to what is without properties Akasha: guess they won't hurt when the real estate / properties bubble burts Rory: There you go with those hemorrhoids again :-) or only truly simply and nakedly what is in this moment, here- now, Akasha: what else is there? Only one drawn to or absorbed to the other will be aware of it. Rory: What other? You are confusing me :-) and then bewailing the absence of these same imaginary properties (or the presence of other less-desired imaginary properties) here- now, and thus invoking an overlay of space-time-desire etc. Akasha: Again, only one who imagines such can be aware of such, absorbed into such. Rory: Yes, of course. Only one. And yet somehow the intellect is eventually able to see through this same not-here-now overlay and abandon it Akasha: I thought the intellect was broken. Did it get fixed? Rory: Who said it was broken? Presumably that's the same one who who could conceive of its being fixed...? :-) into what always is, has always been, and always will be, the (non)radiant emptifulness of (not)self itself... Akasha: Ah, you took that Simuladvaita class. Was it good? Rory: It takes one to know one; you tell me; is it good? :-) How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from itself? Akasha: I don't know. The question never arises where duality is absent. Rory: Never? But what about All Possibilities? That was our whole point, wasn't it? :-) Akasha: But, have patience, in time such duality disolves and such silly thoughts cease to arise. Rory: Are we sure? How do we know this is true if we are not experiencing it in this moment? My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or ones like them) as ideas or ideals Akasha: What do you mean we, kimosabe? Rory: There is only we, tonto :-) and use them to *obscure* the reality Akasha: Like etching glass? Etched glass can be gorgeous, no? Rory: Surely. they are intended to *describe* Akasha: Excuse
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] My only criterion, for instance, is not to be overshadowed. Thinking about that thought, paraphrasing, I just don't want to be oveshadowed gets funnier and funnier the more it is contemplated and considered. Its like a perfect jeweled Russian egg, that cracks perfectly in four places to reveal itself. Hiranyagarbha omelette; 3 gunas and more :-) Though I suspect this may be a huh moment for some. Uh huh :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so sticky. The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect realization to be like; rather, my single criterion for realization is *not* having the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Yes, that alone is sufficient to overshadow realization -- denying the validity (perfection, is-ness, ever-presence, whatever) of your fundamental criterion for ignorance -- trying *not* to embody the fundamental criterion for ignorance. In denying ignorance (tamas), we cling to clarity (sattva), and get (as if) stuck inside the gunas, rather than remembering they are all merely ideas *in us* :-) I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Being realized isn't like anything -- other than (say, in that moment) Judy writing she doesn't know what it's like to be realized, but knows what it's like to be ignorant. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I think you're suggesting that it's something of an infinite regress, that one can be overshadowed by the desire not to be overshadowed. But that's the nature of the beast, part of why ignorance is so sticky. The point I was making to Rory, though, is that with me it's not a matter of having some set of idealized criteria for realization, i.e., what I expect realization to be like; rather, my single criterion for realization is *not* having the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Rory: Yes, that alone is sufficient to overshadow realization -- denying the validity snip Judy: I'm not denying anything. I'm describing what is the case for me. That's my reality. Rory: Right, and nicely so. Yet it appears you are saying that *this* -- whatever it is -- *isn't* It. That's all I meant by denying -- denying the presence of It in this moment, by virtue of comparing this not-It moment with some other moment, not-now, elsewhen/elsewhere -- some other moment that apparently had more clarity, more Presence. I am suggesting that that longed-for clarity and Presence is nothing other than a side-effect of our unconditional attention and appreciation of whatever we are undergoing in this moment. So long as we do *not* appreciate *this* moment as a god-given gift we have not yet fully unwrapped and understood -- that long do we find it to be shrouded in darkness, ignorance, fear, suffering, and so on: the darkness and ignorance of our own lack of attention and unconditional appreciation. When we simply be with it, breathe with it, allow ourselves to feel it in the body non-judgmentally (this too is good -- or ...God or ...bliss --), relaxing into it while appreciating it, then it lightens up. It becomes integrated into our larger Whole, ceasing to be a (minor or major) demon plaguing us (actually, painfully demanding our attention and love), and now becoming a part of our angelic choir :-) (perfection, is-ness, ever-presence, whatever) of your fundamental criterion for ignorance -- trying *not* to embody the fundamental criterion for ignorance. Judy: I'm not trying to do anything. I'm describing what is the case for me. That's my reality. Rory: Yes, I believe I get that, and I get that you feel powerless to do anything about it, other than meditate and wait. So be it. I am perfectly OK with that reality if you are; if you are not, then I am suggesting an alternate POV and some methods that may shortcut the process, and even collapse it into this moment, that's all. For example: Where in the body do we feel stuck and/or powerless? What happens if we simply attend to it, appreciate it, breathe with it, let it fully feel, allow it to be unconditionally OK in that feeling? In denying ignorance (tamas), we cling to clarity (sattva), and get (as if) stuck inside the gunas, rather than remembering they are all merely ideas *in us* :-) Judy: I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words. Rory: Being realized isn't like anything snip Judy: Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not* like being in ignorance. Rory: How do you know this, if you don't know what being realized is? In my experience/understanding anyhow, it is *precisely* like being in ignorance -- with the slight but crucial adjustment that one has just for this moment stopped unfavorably (or favorably for that matter) comparing this moment to some other more (or less) ideal one. One has stepped off the merry-go-round of infinite progress (or regress). That's all, that's it. Simple :-) -- other than (say, in that moment) Judy writing she doesn't know what it's like to be realized, but knows what it's like to be ignorant. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
