[AsburyPark] Re: Ed Johnson's Press release
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copied from Asbury Radio site. While I disagree with Ed that your position as an elected official keeps you from talking about the 800- lb gorilla in the room, I will say that Ed is a class act. Again, I suggest that the UEZ would be better served by focusing its efforts on getting Asbury Partners to meet its obligations rather than this petulant act. What will people see when they come here? The truth. They will see it with their own eyes no matter how much you try to avoid it in the press. Now the press release. PRESS RELEASE November 2, 2006 From Council member Ed Johnson Today's Coaster Newspaper has run a front page story with comments attributed to me that are incorrect. I do not call for, nor do I endorse any call for Councilman Keady to resign his position and leave town. My only comments with regard to this matter were to refer all inquires to the UEZ Chairman and UEZ Director for specific details and further comment. I do join in the principle concerns raised by the UEZ, other Community Organizations and citizens with regard to the comments that were made on an evening news cast by Councilman Keady. I believe that they were indeed harmful to the forward progress and coordinated effort that our business community has put forth to make Asbury Park a regional destination. As a Councilman, I believe that we have a special responsibility to protect and serve the positive interests of our community through whatever challenges that we may encounter. Councilman Ed Johnson Asbury Park ~~ Ed donates alot to this City.And has a deep concern for this city. James Grabe Patriot Officer Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocean Township is Asbury Park. Oakdorf can explain what I mean. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: If it weren't for the Italian American Clubs, Ocean Twp wouldn't have the sponsored Italian American Fair every yearnor the monument in front of town hall dedicated to Columbus. Ocean Twp. Ocean Twp. Ocean Twp. Maybe Columbus can come ashore there next year. Why don't some more of those club members buy houses in AP? ~~~ 80 per-cent of my Veterans live Ocean Twp. We go to Veterans Memorial Day we do events in both towns.And in that Fair are a very large part of it.I belive most of them run it.Any questions you can ask my Commander that served in the Pacfic in the U.S.M.C. at the Council meeting he will explain to anyone.I feel alot live there is because the way all the crime the way this town has been ran looked over the last Decade 1/2 period.Alot just got up moved there.Like the lady said last night at the mico.There has always been shootings in this town.Our Police Deapartment is doing the best they can.That Council didn't back Lou Jordan like they promise he told how he was before they had put the uniform on.They shouldn't of brought him in here.If they couldn't back him up. James Grabe Patriot Officer Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Lost of Business in the past present.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim asburyjim@ wrote: The reason Asbury Park lost business in the Past is the way the City was handle from maintaining public grounds to maintaining the East side West separted.At the Present things are changing in some ways but what about the public grounds, on both sides East West side. ~ Our Train Station is on the border line which the City owns look how it has been maintain in the last decade.Anyone getting off the train for the 1st time would get a very nasty impression.It just can't be clean in a couple years we have a roof leaking garabage cans catching water when it rains all that wasted space.The West side is in Very bad shape.Other small stores could be in there open later in the evening.The restrooms in could be in better shape this comes from prevouis Council's not caring about it.People come to a Event go back tell others. Alot people fom A/P take taxi's to Bradley Beach Allenhurst Train Station because the way A/P Train Station is.A decade improper maintaining cannot be fix up right away it takes time.Its just like walking in a restaurant looks like crap are you going back? James Grabe Patroit Officer Veterans Alliance Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
100% agree with you appojo about that decision being worse than anything else for AP. Far bigger effect here than anything else that happened. What this City could have been if the middle class wasn't gone for so many years. Glad to see the middle class is making a comeback. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Ocean Township is Asbury Park. Oakdorf can explain what I mean. Asbury Park is Asbury Park. People in Ocean Twp may have come from AP and would like to think are still from AP, but they left. Now they are not AP. i totally agree once someone abandons something they have no right to call it theirs, i believe what tommy was trying to tell you, via himself or oak, was that many people abandoned this city, white flight in the 60s and 70s for many reasons, alot were italian americans who were prominent in asbury, and now prominebt in ocean township, like you said their decision, probably made for the benefit of their families which no one can argue with, but they are ocean townshipers not asbury parkers, im shocked tommy did not rattle off 50 quick italians who still live here when you asked, i guess he knew you were joking, petillos. delpizzos, pallottos, ontos, pappas,chinniccis,falcos,dellos, ill let tommy finish , as far as white flight let me say PELUSO one of the major contributors, president of the bd of ed which first refused to negoiate, ie give ocean 1 vote on the bd of ed, they could never win a vote with one member, and then refused to regionalize, hindsight is perfect, but that mistake was more costlty than the riots to our city. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Can we give it a break?
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, docp101@ wrote:Wrong, Tommy tried to stop it more than once Mario wouldn't stopHinge, Werner, Works for me. Mario and DFSAVGNY were the originators of thistopic. Facts from this groups Archives Oct 1 to Nov 2: The only time I was so-called "off-topic" was to challenge something originating with the following: justifiedright, jerseykev, asburydogma, or docp. The only time Tommy tries to stop a thread is whenhis taunts are don't stand up to the facts. I've got 8 pages of yellow legal sheets documenting the above. I sent personal emails to MArio and he insisted on answering on this group. Onepersonal email to me 11/1 calling me an "italian flunkie."One other about a year ago attacking me for being a liberal. After each incident, I blocked your incoming mails. I answered once"on this group" to make public your tactics. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Can we give it a break?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got 8 pages of yellow legal sheets documenting the above. I'm probably going to regret asking, but...why? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
Gary, I also noticed that several weeks ago. I sure hope the original concept was scrapped. Remember the renderings presented by SOSH Architects? Lamp poles shaped like musical notes Giant Neon martini glasses and shoes on roofs Fish shaped signs jumping out of facades. Bizzare color schemes (Oops - we already have that) It was like Asbury Park on an Acid Trip. It was described as Funky by supporters. Tacky, bizzare, wierd, inappropriate, ugly all come to my mind. Also keep in mind - it specifically states Residential Retail meaning that the boardwalk is envisioned to serve the condo dwellers. This was not designed to service external cash flow into the City. I can only hope that those in control come to their senses and do an appropriate and classy design for the beacfront. My fear is that the developers/sub-developers are still calling the shots. Werner has but I was checking out the website for Asbury Partners today and noticed that in their section for Vision For Asbury Park and the section entitled Scope of the Redevelopment There are the original drawings for the redevelopment under the title Renderings of Residential Retail Development. Now the reason I bring this up is because of the four drawings the pictures of Lake Village, Ocean Avenue, and North Shore all appear as they always have... But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocean Township is Asbury Park. Oakdorf can explain what I mean. How many beers do you still owe me? Fiorentino missed in that list - saw one this am True, many gay folks ahe flipped out of AP (or still held) and bought over the bridge in Wanamassa, bringing back to life Wanamassa Point Rd (where I spent a few years), Interlaken and other lake fronts. Wanamassa is making a cute comeback. To make a town come back , you need less landlords and more resident homeowners. As a landlord, I often look and wonder that if I didn't own that house, what would someone else do with it? Keep it as is, kock it down, restore it etc etc.? Nothing better for a town then single family res. Back to OT and AP - AP was OT: The original boundaries of the Township stretched from the Shrewsbury River to the southern tip of Avon-by-the-Sea. I thought you wanted the Weldon/AP/OT link... That's 5. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and asI've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against himin recent monthsare so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.:Asking him toread the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the "commie" and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduceyesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard." Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook.He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Can we give it a break?
In reference to Tommy's comment: In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: I've got 8 pages of yellow legal sheets documenting the above.I'm probably going to regret asking, but...why? To reveal some "False face" as your columnyesterday, ironically, attempted to do. When I'm asked "To Shut Up and Sing," I'll reply with "Not Ready to Make Nice ": that's easier to do with documentation. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Can we give it a break? Date: 11/3/2006 8:12:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: I've got 8 pages of yellow legal sheets documenting the above.I'm probably going to regret asking, but...why? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar...claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the commie and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
If there isn't a substantial gang problem in AP, then why are things like this happening? This is from Sept. 29 of this year; FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP Police have identified more than 200 gang members in Neptune, Red Bank, Freehold, Long Branch and Asbury Park, and another 200 in the county jail, many of whom are from Monmouth County, according to county Prosecutor Luis Valentin. Gang activity has also been detected in suburbs, including Howell, Matawan, Manasquan and Belmar, Valentin said Thursday at a conference on gangs. The county's relative affluence does not make it immune from gangs, he said. Among those operating here are the Bloods, Crips, Almighty Latin King/Queen Nation, Mexican and Central American gangs, motorcycle gangs, and hate and extremist groups, the prosecutor said. He did not want to alarm residents, but he wanted to educate them about the perils and presence of gang activity and make sure children know gang members should never be role models, Valentin said. Thursday's conference at the county Police Academy was not open to the public, but reporters were invited in for the initial opening remarks. The conference was one of the quarterly gatherings the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey plans to hold in different parts of the state so police can share information on gangs. The office conducted a statewide gang intelligence conference earlier this year. About 160 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, county and local departments attended on Thursday. Represented locally were Aberdeen, Asbury Park, Belmar, Bradley Beach, Freehold, Hazlet, Highlands, Howell, Keyport, Lakewood, Little Silver, Long Branch, Manasquan, Matawan, Middletown, Neptune, Red Bank, Sea Bright, Union Beach, West Long Branch, and the prosecutor's offices from Monmouth and Ocean counties. U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said gangs are not just a law enforcement problem, but a socioeconomic problem. In cities such as Newark and Irvington, police are fighting to take streets back from gangs, he said. Federal laws can help in the battle, he said. In the federal corrections system, there is no parole, and criminals serve their time in prisons outside New Jersey, making it much more difficult for them to run their criminal enterprises from behind bars, Christie said. It also makes it tougher for fellow gang members to keep in contact with them, he said. Christie's office has become known for prosecuting political corruption cases. In the next four years, Christie said, he also wants his office to be recognized for taking on gangs. We're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, he told the officers. Anti-gang initiatives In July, Bloods members were reportedly arrested in Keansburg and Asbury Park. In June, 22 members of Los Cafeteros and Sureno 13 were taken into custody in Red Bank, and in November, seven MS-13 members were arrested in Lakewood, authorities said at the time. Asbury Park and Lakewood were among a dozen or so municipalities chosen earlier this year to participate in Operation CeaseFire, a state anti-gang program. Long Branch Public Safety Director William A. Richards said his department also has a number of anti-gang initiatives. We don't have what I would characterize as a virulent gang problem, as evidenced by criminal activity associated with gangs, but it's certainly something we keep an eye on, he said. Thursday's event was co-sponsored by the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, the Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network and the East Coast Gang Investigators Association. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the commie and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: See that's a problem. People buy multifamily homes turn them into single family home, what happens to the tenants? They are forced out. The redevelopement gets blamed for that and it shouldn't. Houses in AP were being bought and made single family BEFORE redevelopement. Now rental single family homes on the westside are being sold tenants are pushed out. It's a good thing that new people are moving in but a bad thing that people are being pushed out. What do you do? Flood the Beachfront with low income and affordable housing? or do you let nature take it's course. With the Springwood Ave Red. taking shape you may have affordable Housing. How many units can they build over there?Enought to cover what's getting pushed out? Enought to handle the relocation of the Beachfront? Do they want to live there?or is AP opening the door for more lower income people moving in by going the affordable route? when they do affordable housing it's open to the State AP residents don't get first shot at it. You have to be very careful. Maybe AP should have adopted the plan 2 years ago 60 Homes 10 being affordable and 70 affordable rental units with commerical to follow. I believe the new plan will have commerical from the begining is that good or bad? If you go with more affordable housing are their developers out there who will take a chance and build with this market. Look at Kara Homes. Thank God(JK's dad) that our 3 developers are still moving along. Ocean Township is Asbury Park. Oakdorf can explain what I mean. How many beers do you still owe me? Fiorentino missed in that list - saw one this am True, many gay folks ahe flipped out of AP (or still held) and bought over the bridge in Wanamassa, bringing back to life Wanamassa Point Rd (where I spent a few years), Interlaken and other lake fronts. Wanamassa is making a cute comeback. To make a town come back , you need less landlords and more resident homeowners. As a landlord, I often look and wonder that if I didn't own that house, what would someone else do with it? Keep it as is, kock it down, restore it etc etc.? Nothing better for a town then single family res. Back to OT and AP - AP was OT: The original boundaries of the Township stretched from the Shrewsbury River to the southern tip of Avon-by-the-Sea. I thought you wanted the Weldon/AP/OT link... That's 5. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for finding that 200 gan members county wide. NOT 200 BLOOD in AP. As for the Wonder Bar for Debbie to treat you like she did then you must have done something.. She is a wonderfulperson and the Wonder Bar is a great place. If there isn't a substantial gang problem in AP, then why are things like this happening? This is from Sept. 29 of this year; FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP Police have identified more than 200 gang members in Neptune, Red Bank, Freehold, Long Branch and Asbury Park, and another 200 in the county jail, many of whom are from Monmouth County, according to county Prosecutor Luis Valentin. Gang activity has also been detected in suburbs, including Howell, Matawan, Manasquan and Belmar, Valentin said Thursday at a conference on gangs. The county's relative affluence does not make it immune from gangs, he said. Among those operating here are the Bloods, Crips, Almighty Latin King/Queen Nation, Mexican and Central American gangs, motorcycle gangs, and hate and extremist groups, the prosecutor said. He did not want to alarm residents, but he wanted to educate them about the perils and presence of gang activity and make sure children know gang members should never be role models, Valentin said. Thursday's conference at the county Police Academy was not open to the public, but reporters were invited in for the initial opening remarks. The conference was one of the quarterly gatherings the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey plans to hold in different parts of the state so police can share information on gangs. The office conducted a statewide gang intelligence conference earlier this year. About 160 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, county and local departments attended on Thursday. Represented locally were Aberdeen, Asbury Park, Belmar, Bradley Beach, Freehold, Hazlet, Highlands, Howell, Keyport, Lakewood, Little Silver, Long Branch, Manasquan, Matawan, Middletown, Neptune, Red Bank, Sea Bright, Union Beach, West Long Branch, and the prosecutor's offices from Monmouth and Ocean counties. U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said gangs are not just a law enforcement problem, but a socioeconomic problem. In cities such as Newark and Irvington, police are fighting to take streets back from gangs, he said. Federal laws can help in the battle, he said. In the federal corrections system, there is no parole, and criminals serve their time in prisons outside New Jersey, making it much more difficult for them to run their criminal enterprises from behind bars, Christie said. It also makes it tougher for fellow gang members to keep in contact with them, he said. Christie's office has become known for prosecuting political corruption cases. In the next four years, Christie said, he also wants his office to be recognized for taking on gangs. We're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, he told the officers. Anti-gang initiatives In July, Bloods members were reportedly arrested in Keansburg and Asbury Park. In June, 22 members of Los Cafeteros and Sureno 13 were taken into custody in Red Bank, and in November, seven MS-13 members were arrested in Lakewood, authorities said at the time. Asbury Park and Lakewood were among a dozen or so municipalities chosen earlier this year to participate in Operation CeaseFire, a state anti-gang program. Long Branch Public Safety Director William A. Richards said his department also has a number of anti-gang initiatives. We don't have what I would characterize as a virulent gang problem, as evidenced by criminal activity associated with gangs, but it's certainly something we keep an eye on, he said. Thursday's event was co-sponsored by the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, the Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network and the East Coast Gang Investigators Association. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the commie and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the
[AsburyPark] AP Business and Gangs
The first lesson of starting a business (other then a business plan) Location. Location Location. I've said it before, I recall meeting with the SBA guys from Brookdale's outreach program years ago. Location. How much do you want to make a year vs. what else can you be doing? Businesses in AP have more power behind them say then a biz in Bradley beach. You have marketing $ via the UEZ, chamber and whetever else flows through. Right now, you need more foot traffic during the day - more business. Siatrs project will hopefully bring more tenants in and businesses. You need Steinbach building done, with tenants. You need Wesley Grove to hopefulyl get some yr rounders. Then the Griffin. There is loads of potential. Then you DO need the continued efforts of the police to control the problems and there are problems. Maybe some of the UEZ $ should go to developing something along the western side of AP Ave, so when you officially enter the city from Asbury Ave, it doesn't look like shit. Start coming off exit 102. You can't blast keady for his comment. By AP standards, he's wrong - because he spoke his mind and didn't back down. Give him some more credit for not telling them to go f themselves when he was asked to read the letter. He read it. So? from a teacher in the neptune high school who told the story of homw many kids turned up their colors under their shirts at the end of the dauy last week. Might be real gang members or just kids who need to belong. It only takes one to screw up the lives of many. So if there are 10 gang members, 99 or 201 it doesn't matter. So the UEZ should keep doing what they do, bring people to AP and allocate the money the best it can to aid in the overall development of the infrastructure. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
First off, making a comment like you must have done something is a joke. I was working at The Wonderbar, doing sound. I'm a complete professional at my job, and i've been doing it for 30 years. Her cold attitude began from moment one, and i'm being honest when I say that if was an unfriendly place to work. I'm sure Debbie is a wonderful person, but i'm relating my experience on a particular night, so don't tell me that I must have done something wrong. I've worked in practically every club in this country, and all over Europe as well, and I think i'm a pretty good judge of what an unfriendly place is like. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Thanks for finding that 200 gan members county wide. NOT 200 BLOOD in AP. As for the Wonder Bar for Debbie to treat you like she did then you must have done something.. She is a wonderfulperson and the Wonder Bar is a great place. If there isn't a substantial gang problem in AP, then why are things like this happening? This is from Sept. 29 of this year; FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP Police have identified more than 200 gang members in Neptune, Red Bank, Freehold, Long Branch and Asbury Park, and another 200 in the county jail, many of whom are from Monmouth County, according to county Prosecutor Luis Valentin. Gang activity has also been detected in suburbs, including Howell, Matawan, Manasquan and Belmar, Valentin said Thursday at a conference on gangs. The county's relative affluence does not make it immune from gangs, he said. Among those operating here are the Bloods, Crips, Almighty Latin King/Queen Nation, Mexican and Central American gangs, motorcycle gangs, and hate and extremist groups, the prosecutor said. He did not want to alarm residents, but he wanted to educate them about the perils and presence of gang activity and make sure children know gang members should never be role models, Valentin said. Thursday's conference at the county Police Academy was not open to the public, but reporters were invited in for the initial opening remarks. The conference was one of the quarterly gatherings the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey plans to hold in different parts of the state so police can share information on gangs. The office conducted a statewide gang intelligence conference earlier this year. About 160 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, county and local departments attended on Thursday. Represented locally were Aberdeen, Asbury Park, Belmar, Bradley Beach, Freehold, Hazlet, Highlands, Howell, Keyport, Lakewood, Little Silver, Long Branch, Manasquan, Matawan, Middletown, Neptune, Red Bank, Sea Bright, Union Beach, West Long Branch, and the prosecutor's offices from Monmouth and Ocean counties. U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said gangs are not just a law enforcement problem, but a socioeconomic problem. In cities such as Newark and Irvington, police are fighting to take streets back from gangs, he said. Federal laws can help in the battle, he said. In the federal corrections system, there is no parole, and criminals serve their time in prisons outside New Jersey, making it much more difficult for them to run their criminal enterprises from behind bars, Christie said. It also makes it tougher for fellow gang members to keep in contact with them, he said. Christie's office has become known for prosecuting political corruption cases. In the next four years, Christie said, he also wants his office to be recognized for taking on gangs. We're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, he told the officers. Anti-gang initiatives In July, Bloods members were reportedly arrested in Keansburg and Asbury Park. In June, 22 members of Los Cafeteros and Sureno 13 were taken into custody in Red Bank, and in November, seven MS-13 members were arrested in Lakewood, authorities said at the time. Asbury Park and Lakewood were among a dozen or so municipalities chosen earlier this year to participate in Operation CeaseFire, a state anti-gang program. Long Branch Public Safety Director William A. Richards said his department also has a number of anti-gang initiatives. We don't have what I would characterize as a virulent gang problem, as evidenced by criminal activity associated with gangs, but it's certainly something we keep an eye on, he said. Thursday's event was co-sponsored by the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, the Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network and the East Coast Gang Investigators Association. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original boundaries of the Township stretched from the Shrewsbury River to the southern tip of Avon-by-the-Sea. And it was all called Shrewsbury. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See that's a problem. People buy multifamily homes turn them into single family home, what happens to the tenants? They are forced out. They were single family homes. Not chopped up cubicles for warehousing the less fortunate to colect section 8 funds. True mutlifamiles or those that are up to code should be fine. You just have to convince the new owner. were they looking for a beach home or for an investment. The city had and still has plenty of opportunity to build affordable housing. Start at Spingwood, then the block at Landford and 2nd then work the way around Dewitt. Then you have the scatttered sites etc. Look at long branch, they managed to knock down low income housing and rebuild it. Decent looking homes etc. A mini version of the beloved pier village. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They were single family homes. Not chopped up cubicles for warehousing Dave For this and your previous comment You're still one of the smartest people to post here. Jack/Hinge Not suggesting you did anything wrong. Everyone has a bad day. I think Debbie and the WB are great. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
You're probably right about Debbie and the Wonderbar. I for one was having a great day before I got there. I was just baffled by the snotty attitude of everybody who worked there that night. I have other friends who've had similar experiences there, but i'm not a patron, so who am I to judge? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: They were single family homes. Not chopped up cubicles for warehousing Dave For this and your previous comment You're still one of the smartest people to post here. Jack/Hinge Not suggesting you did anything wrong. Everyone has a bad day. I think Debbie and the WB are great. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] SOAP Concert
Surprised Gary didn't Post this. THE CREATORS OF S.O.A.P. RETURN TO ASBURY Print ArticleEmail This ArticleRespond To This Article by Gary Wien This December, Asbury Park will pay a long overdue tribute to the creators of the Asbury musical sound. Many of the creators will take part in a once in a lifetime concert on December 9th at the Stone Pony and a permanent monument will be placed on the boardwalk containing the names of the musicians and performers that took the music to its limit by pushing the envelope and digging deeper to change the sound of Rock Roll forever. We recently emailed Doc Holiday to talk about the show and monument. When and how did the idea for the monument come about? Actually it happened when I was on a break from a recording session in Nashville having lunch with Garry Tallent. We began talking about the old days in Asbury, and I had mentioned in passing to Garry that it was a shame that all the original guys that were working that scene in the 60's were all but forgotten about in the mist of the Bruce Explosion that happened in the 70's and how someone should really take note of the impact those guys had on the development of that sound. Garry agreed and with that the conversation went on to other subjects. Two days later I was driving back to my recording studio in Virginia and kept thinking about that thought of those originators lost in the shuffle, and somewhere around 3 in the morning in the middle of the Smokey Mountains on an interstate highway, I thought, I'm gonna see if there's interest in doing some sort of the tribute to those players from the Jersey Shore in the 60's. It was just supposed to be a little get together with some of the original guys who were still alive to meet again and play some music, That was it! Well I thought, why not have a little jam session at the Stone Pony in Asbury, after all it all began in Asbury 45 years ago, so that made sense. So I had one of my staff call the Stone Pony and suggest the idea to them to see if was even possible. Well in short Caroline at the Stone Pony was so supportive of the idea, that it now seem like it may be possible, so with her help we decided to put this Little Jam together. But as I got into it, I realized that there were more people than just a few who were responsible for the creation of The Sound Of Asbury Park in the 60's. And why should they be left out of this, after all they were the true creators of that sound. We then put the word out to see how many of those original players were in fact still alive and see if there would be interest in joining in on this. The response was overwhelming to say the least, names that I had not even though about started to surface and the support of the get together was fantastic, everyone want a part of it! Then the next step came when I thought These guys had been forgotten about for so long, Let's go the extra mile and have a monument for the Creators Of SOAP, with all the original players names on it and see if we can get it erected on the boardwalk so everyone will always remember the players that worked night after night on the Jersey Shore and pushed the musical envelope to create a sound of music that history would look back on and remember how it changed rock roll forever. Where will the monument be placed? On the boardwalk next to The Convention Hall. What was the reaction by Asbury Park towards the monument? Did you have any trouble securing the location for the monument? The city went way beyond the call of duty on this one, The city manager Terry Reidy, and deputy mayor Jimmy Burno, went to bat on this one and got it done period. I think they both realized the importance of finally recognizing this contribution to music history and the importance of it actually being created in Asbury Park along with the people who created it, and their (Reidy, Bruno) personal commitment to bring back Asbury Park to its former heyday, that this was an important and first step that needed to be taken to recognize the musical history of Asbury Park, and that history, the people who wrote it and the times that were had during that era should never be forgotten. Why do you think it is important to remember Asbury Park's music scene? The sound, it's a blend of Rock, Pop, Doo Wop, Blues, Jazz, RB and somehow those early players put all those ingredients together, That's what made the sound of Asbury Park, that is what the true SOAP is all about. In your opinion, is the history of Asbury Park's music important on a national level as well? National Level??? Try worldwide!!! Thanks to guys like Springsteen who took those roots to a worldwide level, the sound of Rock Roll will never be the same. Bruce Springsteen alone took that early sound of Asbury, he pushed the musical envelope, he dug deeper in the music, and when he had it right he showed it to the world. And the world of music has
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
Greetings from Long Branch: I find it rather interesting how the business community can now beat up Mr. Keady, because he had the courage to admit there is a gang prescence in Asbury. The politicians of the Culture of Corruption deny the negetives and create unfounded positives, all in a manner of promotion of an agenda. What if - people came to Asbury under the false impression there is no violence problem there, hiding facts relevent to what is going on in a given community could open a community up to liability. We have seen that in times pasted when a community hides health and public related issues. (ie: cancer clusters, electro magnetic fallout, brown fields etc) It was extremely courageous of Keady to admit a problem. Instead of bashing him, you all should be working on controlling addition violent episodes there. Before anyone dare assail him for his concern and opinion of the gang violence in Asbury Park, they should produce evidence that he is wrong or shut up. Having no basis of FACT for demanding his resignation and relocation out of town - those who make such a demand should be looking to relocate themselves. Speaking the truth is a seldom occurence in New Jersey. We should support and rally to those in elected office who dare to do so. Now get out those rosaries and ask the beads to protect you from my opinion on even this matter. LOL Rev. Kevin Brown --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UEZ v Keady
Ok, and thanks for the sound man comment. But why are you afraid to reveal who you are? My real name is Jack, but for years i've been known as Hinge (long story) I've been living on 1st Ave. for about 8 months, and I love it. If you've done so much for AP, then why wouldn't you want to reveal who you are. Are you too humble? Are you afraid to accept praise for all the good you've done? And how do you know what my knowledge of AP consists of? Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Let's just say I have dove more in one week rhan you will do in a lifetime when it comes to AP and futhetmore I know who you are, a good sound man but no expert on AP. You're probably right about Debbie and the Wonderbar. I for one was having a great day before I got there. I was just baffled by the snotty attitude of everybody who worked there that night. I have other friends who've had similar experiences there, but i'm not a patron, so who am I to judge? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: They were single family homes. Not chopped up cubicles for warehousing Dave For this and your previous comment You're still one of the smartest people to post here. Jack/Hinge Not suggesting you did anything wrong. Everyone has a bad day. I think Debbie and the WB are great. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hey Tom, Larry's Got Some Movies For You - Gumba Night
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that slang for girlfiend? The N word is out of that league no coparison. Unless I'm wrong and you know I'm always wrong. Tom Let's go. Be even handed now. I am posting below an excerpt from the email blast Tom Gilmour sends out each week. This should get under your skin, even though they screwed up GOOMBAH with GUMBA. When I saw GUMBA I thought they were showing Forrest Gump. Find out who titled it Gumba Night and let them have it here and everywhere. Your wrath must fall on whoever is responsible, whether its Gilmour, Fishman or whoever. Even if it came originally from Partners, don't you think its irresponsible for the City to be repeating it? If they were showing SHAFT and MANDINGO should it be called that horrible N word Night? Gee, this right after some councilman ruined Columbus Day for us. What's an Italian-American to do? There will probably be riots in Ocean Twp over the weekend. Don;t let the boys from the Sons of Italy see Gilmour's email. The Paramount Theatre presents Gumba Night on Saturday with back- to- back showings of The Godfather and The Godfather II. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] SOAP Concert
On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Fred wrote: x-tad-biggerSurprised Gary didn't Post this./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger THE CREATORS OF S.O.A.P. RETURN TO ASBURY/x-tad-bigger Why would I post an article I wrote? The article is running in the current issue of Upstage Magazine, which is available in about 100-150 locations in Monmouth County and an additional 150 in Mercer, Middlesex, Ocean and Union Counties. BTW, the concert sold out several weeks ago. The dedication for the monument is expected to get a huge crowd as well. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Hey Tom, Larry's Got Some Movies For You - Gumba Night
From Wikipedia: Goombah (sometimes Goomba) is a slang term regional to the New York area used to describe an Italian-American. It can be mildly derogatory, but not on the same level as dago, guinea or wop. This slang term probably originates from the Italian word compare (or the Sicilian cognate, cumpari, both akin to Spanish compadre), which was already (and still is) used in south Italy abbreviated in compa' and literally means friend and it is used colloquially mainly to address people living in the same town. This, changed through the Italo-American tendency to substitute c's for g's and p's for b's in colloquial speech, yields goombah. Steve Schirripa, who became famous playing Bobby Baccalieri on the HBO TV series The Sopranos, introduced the term to a national audience by publishing a series of books starting with A Goomba's Guide to Life (ISBN 1-4000-4639-4). It appears in popular fiction at least as early as Mario Puzo's The Godfather (1969), in which the character Jack Woltz refers to guinea Mafia goombahs. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Isn't that slang for girlfiend? The N word is out of that league no coparison. Unless I'm wrong and you know I'm always wrong. Tom Let's go. Be even handed now. I am posting below an excerpt from the email blast Tom Gilmour sends out each week. This should get under your skin, even though they screwed up GOOMBAH with GUMBA. When I saw GUMBA I thought they were showing Forrest Gump. Find out who titled it Gumba Night and let them have it here and everywhere. Your wrath must fall on whoever is responsible, whether its Gilmour, Fishman or whoever. Even if it came originally from Partners, don't you think its irresponsible for the City to be repeating it? If they were showing SHAFT and MANDINGO should it be called that horrible N word Night? Gee, this right after some councilman ruined Columbus Day for us. What's an Italian-American to do? There will probably be riots in Ocean Twp over the weekend. Don;t let the boys from the Sons of Italy see Gilmour's email. The Paramount Theatre presents Gumba Night on Saturday with back- to- back showings of The Godfather and The Godfather II. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: SOAP Concert
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I thought you mentioned SOAP a few weeks ago. My mistake. Why not share it. It's a good thing. On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Fred wrote: Surprised Gary didn't Post this. THE CREATORS OF S.O.A.P. RETURN TO ASBURY Why would I post an article I wrote? The article is running in the current issue of Upstage Magazine, which is available in about 100-150 locations in Monmouth County and an additional 150 in Mercer, Middlesex, Ocean and Union Counties. BTW, the concert sold out several weeks ago. The dedication for the monument is expected to get a huge crowd as well. ** ** Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hey Tom, Larry's Got Some Movies For You - Gumba Night
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless I'm wrong and you know I'm always wrong. You can say that again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I Ask Loffredo and Bruno To Defend Our Heritage
Dear Deputy Mayor Bruno and Councilman Loffredo, I am contacting both of you because I know that you are proud Italian-Americans. I have received my weekly email blast from Tom Gilmour about upcoming events in Asbury Park this week. I am excerpting the section below from that email which I believe you will find offensive as Italian-Americans. The Paramount Theatre presents Gumba Night on Saturday with back- to-back showings of The Godfather and The Godfather II. Firstly, Tom spelled GOOMBAH incorrectly. If our heritage is going to be insulted the least that could be done is to get the spelling of the ethnic slur correct. Secondly, while the three of us know that GOOMBAH (or alternately GOOMBA) originates in our culture as a term of endearment, in common usage by non-Italian-Americans it is considered derogatory. Below I have excerpted the listing for GOOMBAH from Wikipedia. Goombah (sometimes Goomba) is a slang term regional to the New York area used to describe an Italian-American. It can be mildly derogatory, but not on the same level as dago, guinea or wop. This slang term probably originates from the Italian word compare (or the Sicilian cognate, cumpari, both akin to Spanish compadre), which was already (and still is) used in south Italy abbreviated in compa' and literally means friend and it is used colloquially mainly to address people living in the same town. This, changed through the Italo-American tendency to substitute c's for g's and p's for b's in colloquial speech, yields goombah. Steve Schirripa, who became famous playing Bobby Baccalieri on the HBO TV series The Sopranos, introduced the term to a national audience by publishing a series of books starting with A Goomba's Guide to Life (ISBN 1-4000-4639-4). It appears in popular fiction at least as early as Mario Puzo's The Godfather (1969), in which the character Jack Woltz refers to guinea Mafia goombahs. Now it may be that Gumba Night did not originate with Tom Gilmour but was passed on from the people at the Paramount. That would still not excuse the fact that an official communication from the City of Asbury Park contains an ethnic slur. I have no idea how many people receive Tom's email blast, but I hear rumors that there may be rioting in Ocean Township this weekend over this matter. If the Sons of Italy get wind of this the least of our problems will be the purported handful of Bloods members in our fair city. Also, this slap at our heritage comes on the heels of the Columbus Day controversy. What is an Italian-American to do? Is there no safe refuge for us? My grandparents Vito and Isabella are probably rolling in their graves at this very moment! Jesu Cristo aiuto me! Both of you fine Italian-Americans vociferously defended out collective ancestry last month in the above episode. I expect no less in the current matter (although I do not expect anyone to dress up in costumes this time). Please investigate this matter. I look forward to an official retraction and apology to all Italian- Americans from the City and Asbury Partners if they too are responsible for this slur. Someday soon, hopefully, us Italian- Americans too will ba able to walk as equals in this community. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: DeSnide DeSlippery Doth Protest Too Much
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reference to DeSnide'sDeSlippery's characteristic protest: DeSnide is very adept at using innuendo: This is the second year in a row Pallone comes to Asbury to kiss Barney Frank's ringI don't want to think about where Barney Frank wears his ring/shudders...I can't make the Baronet tonight. I need a photo for my column. Will pay cash. ...Photo of Frank Pallone and Barney Frank together: $50.00Photo of them kissing hello: $100.00Photo of them kissing on the lips: Priceless! Dan referred to the above as snide anti-gay remarks, but DeSlippery is very adept at backpedaling:I told you people today wear rings in odd place: lip, nostril, ears. I'll give you a 4th: eyebrows. Pallone kissing anyone on the nostril would make me shudder - say for instance Nancy PelosiAccordingly, I made the joke that it would make me shudder (would that not make you shudder?)There is nothing above that is anti-gayHOW YOU FOUND SOMETHING GAY IN ANY OF THIS DeSlippery claims he is merely being funny: I made the joke: He should learn from the masters who are up front when they lampoon. E.g., Bill Maher: New Rule: The next Republican National Convention must be held in a giant closet. Every week, there's a new gay Republican outed. I have a feeling that big tent they're always talking about is in their pants! There are so many Republicans in the closet, their symbol shouldn't be an elephant; it should be a moth! Mario, I saw this show and it is so telling. Just this morning, another in the closet Gay minister, who preaches anti-gay slogans, protests against Gay Union/Marriage, whichever metaphor they're using today, etc., NONE of, which makes sense to me, has been caught with his pants DOWN! His ?lover?, for pay, OUTED him, because he is a hypocrite, a liar and is living the big LIE, where outside, he is a married man, WITH 5 kids and a wife, but is unlike McGreevey, wants to KEEP it, in the closet! I believe and I predict, that this is just the TIP, of the Republican ICEBERG, from individuals with their OWN agenda, to rule the United States by force, to control its citzenry, using a FALSE ideology, where there are RULES for you and me and NONE, where THEY are concerned, because they have a sense of entitlement, that THEY are above the law and YOU'RE NOT! Rule by Fear, Stealth and Deception! Nothing personal a person who is a registered Republican, with their values, but we Democrats, have VALUES, too! For one, I have never condemned anyone for their religion or lack of one, condemned anyone who was openly gay or NOT, cause it's none of my damned business, what lifestyle, ANYONE espouses, openly or not! Democrats are NOT afraid to serve their country, when called, unlike Repugs, who have every excuse in the book for NOT serving, but will wear a Flag Lapel pin, on every suit, they wear! That, does NOT make you a Patriot, cause if you're Free, allowed to Vote, allowed to Free Speech; THANK A VETERAN! Remeber Election Day is Tuesday. Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, a Green or whatever; exercise your franchise and pray that your vote is counted! God Bless You All, Sharon Cordiali saluti, Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy - Stop Ducking Date: 10/31/2006 7:54:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: You are getting upset because I did answer every question. The topic from my first post was about Pallone turning down 8 invitations in a row to help Asbury kids, but has come here 2 years in a row to see Barney Frank (I have a problem with that - too bad you don't). That's a knock against Pallone, not Barney Frank. The imagry I used of Pallone kissing Barney's ring you have already picked up on as metaphorical for kissing the Pope's ring. Using that very common literary device of metaphor, elevating Barney Frank to the status of the Pope in Pallone's mind while he ignores Asbury children is to highlight his lack of priorites. That is in furtherance of the topic - Pallone ignore's Asbury children. Again nothing against Barney Frank there. You asked where I thought Barney could wear his ring that would make me shudder at the thought of a kiss there. I did answer - I told you people today wear rings in odd place: lip, nostril, ears. I'll give you a 4th: eyebrows. Pallone kissing anyone on the nostril would make me shudder - say for instance Nancy Pelosi. Accordingly, I made the joke that it would make me shudder (would that not make you shudder?). There is nothing above that is anti-gay. YOU ARE DUCKING DAN. I answered every question and stated it again above. I ASKED YOU REPEATEDLY HOW YOU FOUND
[AsburyPark] Re: Too Bad AP Waterfront Doesn't Have a Real Developer
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw lightgrw@ wrote: Maybe the money follows the better idea. As I have written many times - The economic potential of Asbury Park is being wasted. Werner Werner, I agree with you, ABSOLUTELY! This is an opportunity, that is being WASTED, by the Partners! They care NOTHING for the citizens here, except their own bottom line! Just an aside: To the Posters of this group; I am so much more the richer, from having read your points of view and perspective, on how this Pearl of the Jersey Shore, should be polished! I admire and respect ALL views here and hopefully we can make it happen for Asbury Park on our own, then to allow someone ELSE, to decide FOR us, against what is good and right, for this and any area. God Bless You All! Sharon Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
"But the rendering for Entertainment has the words "New Image To Come" when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans?"that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new, however good point. i think asbury park in the minds of most has always had a "Tacky, bizzare" atmoshphere to it. hows that bad? the same way point pleseant and seasideheights are different then other towns. notjust because they have amusments, butbecasue when you walk aroudn them, you can feel the difference over another town. seaside hegiths put in a new row of "classical style lights" down its main road near the ocean a few years ago. it killed the town,itmay be more historicaly correct (???) but for the most partit sure as hell doesnt fit in with thebeachfront of seaside heights. it looks outof place. even in a few years whena the fun town peir is shut down, its not going to change the rest of the boardwalk. back to asbury park though. im sure there is a new vision for the "look" of the area. but maybe its just a new image that is being drawn up, it doesnt mean the desigh ideas and perceptions are any different. but who knows. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] apt for rent
hi everyone, if anyone knows of someone looking for a nice cheap apt close to cookman, nice house mates, free utilities please call carmen @ 917-519-4211. thanks deb walsh 400 asbury ave also have a nice 1 bedroom in bklyn available -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:43 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: DeSnide DeSlippery Doth Protest Too Much --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: In reference to DeSnide's DeSlippery's characteristic protest: DeSnide is very adept at using innuendo: This is the second year in a row Pallone comes to Asbury to kiss Barney Frank's ringI don't want to think about where Barney Frank wears his ring/shudders...I can't make the Baronet tonight. I need a photo for my column. Will pay cash. ...Photo of Frank Pallone and Barney Frank together: $50.00Photo of them kissing hello: $100.00Photo of them kissing on the lips: Priceless! Dan referred to the above as "snide" anti-gay remarks, but DeSlippery is very adept at backpedaling: I told you people today wear rings in odd place: lip, nostril, ears. I'll give you a 4th: eyebrows. Pallone kissing anyone on the nostril would make me shudder - say for instance Nancy PelosiAccordingly, I made the joke that it would make me shudder (would that not make you shudder?)There is nothing above that is anti-gayHOW YOU FOUND SOMETHING "GAY" IN ANY OF THIS DeSlippery claims he is merely being funny: "I made the joke": He should learn from the masters who are up front when they lampoon. E.g., Bill Maher: New Rule: The next Republican National Convention must be held in a giant closet. Every week, there's a new gay Republican outed. I have a feeling that big tent they're always talking about is in their pants! There are so many Republicans in the closet, their symbol shouldn't be an elephant; it should be a moth! Mario, I saw this show and it is so telling. Just this morning, another "in the closet" Gay minister, who preaches anti-gay slogans, protests against Gay Union/Marriage, whichever metaphor they're using today, etc., NONE of, which makes sense to me, has been "caught" with his pants DOWN! His ?lover?, for pay, OUTED him, because he is a hypocrite, a liar and is living the big LIE, where outside, he is a "married" man, WITH 5 kids and a "wife", but is unlike McGreevey, wants to KEEP it, in the closet! I believe and I predict, that this is just the TIP, of the Republican ICEBERG, from individuals with their OWN agenda, to rule the United States by force, to control its citzenry, using a FALSE ideology, where there are RULES for you and me and NONE, where THEY are concerned, because they have a "sense of entitlement", that THEY are above the law and YOU'RE NOT! Rule by Fear, Stealth and Deception! Nothing personal a person who is a registered Republican, with their values, but we Democrats, have VALUES, too! For one, I have never condemned anyone for their religion or lack of one, condemned anyone who was openly gay or NOT, cause it's none of my damned business, what lifestyle, ANYONE espouses, openly or not! Democrats are NOT afraid to serve their country, when called, unlike Repugs, who have every excuse in the book for NOT serving, but will wear a Flag Lapel pin, on every suit, they wear! That, does NOT make you a Patriot, cause if you're Free, allowed to Vote, allowed to Free Speech; THANK A VETERAN! Remeber Election Day is Tuesday. Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, a Green or whatever; exercise your franchise and pray that your vote is counted! God Bless You All, Sharon Cordiali saluti, Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy - Stop Ducking Date: 10/31/2006 7:54:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: _justifiedright@..._ (mailto:justifiedri[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: _AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com) Sent on: You are getting upset because I did answer every question. The topic from my first post was about Pallone turning down 8 invitations in a row to help Asbury kids, but has come here 2 years in a row to see Barney Frank (I have a problem with that - too bad you don't). That's a knock against Pallone, not Barney Frank. The imagry I used of Pallone kissing Barney's ring you have already picked up on as metaphorical for kissing the Pope's ring. Using that very common literary device of metaphor, elevating Barney Frank to the status of the Pope in Pallone's mind while he ignores Asbury children is to highlight his lack of priorites. That is in furtherance of the topic - Pallone ignore's Asbury children. Again nothing against Barney Frank there. You asked where I thought Barney could wear his ring that would make me shudder at the thought of a kiss there. I did answer - I told you people today wear rings in odd
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them still haning around it has to be a good sign. I believe they are doing the 5th Ave Pavilion. I could be wrong. But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new, however good point. i think asbury park in the minds of most has always had a Tacky, bizzare atmoshphere to it. hows that bad? the same way point pleseant and seaside heights are different then other towns. not just because they have amusments, but becasue when you walk aroudn them, you can feel the difference over another town. seaside hegiths put in a new row of classical style lights down its main road near the ocean a few years ago. it killed the town, it may be more historicaly correct (???) but for the most part it sure as hell doesnt fit in with the beachfront of seaside heights. it looks out of place. even in a few years when a the fun town peir is shut down, its not going to change the rest of the boardwalk. back to asbury park though. im sure there is a new vision for the look of the area. but maybe its just a new image that is being drawn up, it doesnt mean the desigh ideas and perceptions are any different. but who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them still haning around it has to be a good sign. I believe they are doing the 5th Ave Pavilion. I could be wrong. But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new, however good point. i think asbury park in the minds of most has always had a Tacky, bizzare atmoshphere to it. hows that bad? the same way point pleseant and seaside heights are different then other towns. not just because they have amusments, but becasue when you walk aroudn them, you can feel the difference over another town. seaside hegiths put in a new row of classical style lights down its main road near the ocean a few years ago. it killed the town, it may be more historicaly correct (???) but for the most part it sure as hell doesnt fit in with the beachfront of seaside heights. it looks out of place. even in a few years when a the fun town peir is shut down, its not going to change the rest of the boardwalk. back to asbury park though. im sure there is a new vision for the look of the area. but maybe its just a new image that is being drawn up, it doesnt mean the desigh ideas and perceptions are any different. but who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Ask Loffredo and Bruno To Defend Our Heritage
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been called a lot worse. I think goomba night will atract more people to AP than 200 Blood Gang Members reside in AP. Dear Deputy Mayor Bruno and Councilman Loffredo, I am contacting both of you because I know that you are proud Italian-Americans. I have received my weekly email blast from Tom Gilmour about upcoming events in Asbury Park this week. I am excerpting the section below from that email which I believe you will find offensive as Italian-Americans. The Paramount Theatre presents Gumba Night on Saturday with back- to-back showings of The Godfather and The Godfather II. Firstly, Tom spelled GOOMBAH incorrectly. If our heritage is going to be insulted the least that could be done is to get the spelling of the ethnic slur correct. Secondly, while the three of us know that GOOMBAH (or alternately GOOMBA) originates in our culture as a term of endearment, in common usage by non-Italian-Americans it is considered derogatory. Below I have excerpted the listing for GOOMBAH from Wikipedia. Goombah (sometimes Goomba) is a slang term regional to the New York area used to describe an Italian-American. It can be mildly derogatory, but not on the same level as dago, guinea or wop. This slang term probably originates from the Italian word compare (or the Sicilian cognate, cumpari, both akin to Spanish compadre), which was already (and still is) used in south Italy abbreviated in compa' and literally means friend and it is used colloquially mainly to address people living in the same town. This, changed through the Italo-American tendency to substitute c's for g's and p's for b's in colloquial speech, yields goombah. Steve Schirripa, who became famous playing Bobby Baccalieri on the HBO TV series The Sopranos, introduced the term to a national audience by publishing a series of books starting with A Goomba's Guide to Life (ISBN 1-4000-4639-4). It appears in popular fiction at least as early as Mario Puzo's The Godfather (1969), in which the character Jack Woltz refers to guinea Mafia goombahs. Now it may be that Gumba Night did not originate with Tom Gilmour but was passed on from the people at the Paramount. That would still not excuse the fact that an official communication from the City of Asbury Park contains an ethnic slur. I have no idea how many people receive Tom's email blast, but I hear rumors that there may be rioting in Ocean Township this weekend over this matter. If the Sons of Italy get wind of this the least of our problems will be the purported handful of Bloods members in our fair city. Also, this slap at our heritage comes on the heels of the Columbus Day controversy. What is an Italian-American to do? Is there no safe refuge for us? My grandparents Vito and Isabella are probably rolling in their graves at this very moment! Jesu Cristo aiuto me! Both of you fine Italian-Americans vociferously defended out collective ancestry last month in the above episode. I expect no less in the current matter (although I do not expect anyone to dress up in costumes this time). Please investigate this matter. I look forward to an official retraction and apology to all Italian- Americans from the City and Asbury Partners if they too are responsible for this slur. Someday soon, hopefully, us Italian- Americans too will ba able to walk as equals in this community. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Hey Tom, Larry's Got Some Movies For You - Gumba Night
Adding to Hinge's findings:
Dan said,
they screwed up GOOMBAH with
GUMBA
This [from "compare"] is first found in the mid 1950s, and seems to
have been popularized by Rocky Graziano, the boxer andactor, on NBC's
The Martha Raye Show.
Find out who titled it "Gumba Night" and
let them have it here and everywhere. Your wrath must fall
on
whoever is responsible,
Haven't we had enough of his "here, there and everywhere" wrath coming out
of the woodwork?
(The second, and most familiar, sense is 'a mafia boss.The
first known use of this sense is inThe Godfather: "I don't care how
many guinea Mafia goombahs come out of the woodwork." )
Even if it came originally from
Partners, don't you think its irresponsible for the City to be repeating it?
If they were showing SHAFT and MANDINGO should it be called that horrible "N"
word Night?
Although Tommy is "A Pitbull on the Pantleg of Opportunity," he isNOT
an equal opportunity critic.
Gee, this right after some councilman
ruined Columbus Day for us. What's an Italian-American to do?
This"compare will continue to speak up ("It's America!") when the
goombahs give the rest of us a bad name.
References from the "goobah" page at: The Mavens'
Word of the Day
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
But why won't you answer my question about revealing who you really are? Are you a superhero in disguise and you don't want to blow your cover? Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them still haning around it has to be a good sign. I believe they are doing the 5th Ave Pavilion. I could be wrong. But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new, however good point. i think asbury park in the minds of most has always had a Tacky, bizzare atmoshphere to it. hows that bad? the same way point pleseant and seaside heights are different then other towns. not just because they have amusments, but becasue when you walk aroudn them, you can feel the difference over another town. seaside hegiths put in a new row of classical style lights down its main road near the ocean a few years ago. it killed the town, it may be more historicaly correct (???) but for the most part it sure as hell doesnt fit in with the beachfront of seaside heights. it looks out of place. even in a few years when a the fun town peir is shut down, its not going to change the rest of the boardwalk. back to asbury park though. im sure there is a new vision for the look of the area. but maybe its just a new image that is being drawn up, it doesnt mean the desigh ideas and perceptions are any different. but who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I answered that twice, I have a yellow streak down my back. Sorry I'm waek. But why won't you answer my question about revealing who you really are? Are you a superhero in disguise and you don't want to blow your cover? Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them still haning around it has to be a good sign. I believe they are doing the 5th Ave Pavilion. I could be wrong. But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new, however good point. i think asbury park in the minds of most has always had a Tacky, bizzare atmoshphere to it. hows that bad? the same way point pleseant and seaside heights are different then other towns. not just because they have amusments, but becasue when you walk aroudn them, you can feel the difference over another town. seaside hegiths put in a new row of classical style lights down its main road near the ocean a few years ago. it killed the town, it may be more historicaly correct (???) but for the most part it sure as hell doesnt fit in with the beachfront of seaside heights. it looks out of place. even in a few years when a the fun town peir is shut down, its not going to change the rest of the boardwalk. back to asbury park though. im sure there is a new vision for the look of the area. but maybe its just a new image that is being drawn up, it doesnt mean the desigh ideas and perceptions are any different. but who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hey Tom, Larry's Got Some Movies For You - Gumba Night
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't we had enough of his here, there and everywhere wrath coming out of the woodwork? I want to see how fair treatement is when its from within their own camp. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
Oh, don't be scared. Nothing to worry about here. If anything, this is one of the tamer message boards that i've seen. You want to know what the worst one was? The MB on NSYNC.com, which I was unfortunately in charge of for about 6 months. No, i'm not an NSYNC fan, I just worked for the company that was in charge of it. Talk about a scary place --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I answered that twice, I have a yellow streak down my back. Sorry I'm waek. But why won't you answer my question about revealing who you really are? Are you a superhero in disguise and you don't want to blow your cover? Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them still haning around it has to be a good sign. I believe they are doing the 5th Ave Pavilion. I could be wrong. But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new, however good point. i think asbury park in the minds of most has always had a Tacky, bizzare atmoshphere to it. hows that bad? the same way point pleseant and seaside heights are different then other towns. not just because they have amusments, but becasue when you walk aroudn them, you can feel the difference over another town. seaside hegiths put in a new row of classical style lights down its main road near the ocean a few years ago. it killed the town, it may be more historicaly correct (???) but for the most part it sure as hell doesnt fit in with the beachfront of seaside heights. it looks out of place. even in a few years when a the fun town peir is shut down, its not going to change the rest of the boardwalk. back to asbury park though. im sure there is a new vision for the look of the area. but maybe its just a new image that is being drawn up, it doesnt mean the desigh ideas and perceptions are any different. but who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 2007 calendar benefitting Light of Day
Please spread the word to help Light Of Day ! --- Southside Johnny ( and others) in 2007 calendar benefitting Light of Day Guy produced a 15 month calendar and Johnny was gracious to participate in the project. The calendar runs from Nov 06-January 08 and many bands/ musicians we all know and love are in it. Pricing and shipping rates are on the site and we'll ship world wide! You can see and order the calendar off my website at http://www.aceartanddesign.com thanks in advance! Guy/ Ace * regarding the Light of Day calendar: You can also secure one by sending check or money order made out to: AceArt Design 20875 Ivymount Terrace Ashburn, VA 20147. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, don't be scared. Nothing to worry about here. If anything, this is one of the tamer message boards that i've seen. He's afraid that city officials and employees will fire him depending upon what he posts. Nice atmosphere isn't it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit.Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is.What a joke. Just disgusting.And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady.And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment:Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the "commie" and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard." Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well spoken. I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the commie and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard. Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Nero Sleeps While Rome Burns
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. Maybe he has the back up? What does the number have to rise to before someone says something? It's not like it is news. Legislators take steps to combat gangs Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/19/06 BY TOM BALDWIN GANNETT STATE BUREAU TRENTON Lawmakers stepped up the war on street gangs Thursday, advancing a raft of measures they hope might restore calm. One in particular said gangland defendants had to prove bail money comes from legitimate sources, erasing the oft-repeated parlay in which a gang member bails out another with cash of uncertain sources stuffed into a brown paper bag. The steps also include special gun courts, shielding the identities of victims and lawyers and confiscating vehicles of people nabbed with illegal weapons. Where there's drugs, there's gangs, said Assemblyman Peter Barnes, D-Middlesex, chairman of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. Barnes sat in front of a state map that showed gang presence spreading across the state from urban centers to suburbs in Monmouth, Camden and Middlesex counties, across the Interstate 78 corridor to Warren County and in pockets around southern New Jersey. Heck, they're in Princeton, said Assemblyman Reed Gusciora, D- Mercer. It is a package of triage legislation, said Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson Coleman, D-Mercer, where late-March gang battles on Trenton streets killed six people, including a 7-year-old girl and two bystanders, all in a 24-hour period. First Assistant Attorney General Anne Milgram urged passage of the package, saying all major violent gangs are present in New Jersey, from South Jersey bikers to West Coast street groups that have expanded east. She mentioned gangs in Asbury Park, Lakewood, Camden, Vineland and Trenton. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the commie and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard. Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:njdave@ ...) To:
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
I'll say. Funny thing is that somebody told me that nobody reads this message board, so what's posted here really doesn't matter. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Oh, don't be scared. Nothing to worry about here. If anything, this is one of the tamer message boards that i've seen. He's afraid that city officials and employees will fire him depending upon what he posts. Nice atmosphere isn't it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] You only have to look
Zulima V. Farber, Attorney General Division of Criminal Justice Gregory A. Paw, Director FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: July 25, 2006 FOR FURTHER INFORMATION State Police Office of Public Information (609) 882-2000 Capt. Al Della Fave ext. 6514 Lt. Gerald Lewis ext. 6516 Sgt. Stephen Jones ext. 6513 Sgt. Jeanne Hengemuhle ext. 6515 State Police Lead Team of 500 Officers to Decapitate Most Violent Set of Bloods Street Gang West Trenton, NJ - Early this morning in locations throughout New Jersey, the State Police's Intelligence Section launched raids against the infamous Nine Trey Gangsters street gang targeting 96 gang members and affiliated persons. Dubbed Operation Nine Connect, today's actions are the culmination of an 11-month joint investigation by the Division of State Police and the Division of Criminal Justice aimed at disabling this violent group believed to be responsible for more violent crime than any other street gang. Arrests continued throughout the morning in locations across the state. As of the printing of this release, more than 60 persons had been arrested with further arrests expected over the coming weeks. Teams of troopers and officers from 31 agencies in 7 counties arrested their quarry and executed more than 15 search warrants to recover additional evidence of crimes. During the operation, approximately 500 law enforcement officers worked in this cooperative effort. Charges ranged from 1 st degree Racketeering to extortion, money laundering, organized criminal gambling, distribution of CDS (drugs), weapons charges, and conspiracy to commit these crimes. Intelligence has revealed that Nine Trey members have been responsible for a number of murders and untold numbers of drive by shootings. During the execution of arrest and search warrants today, several handguns were recovered and quantities of drugs were seized in each of the three regions. Arrest teams processed subjects in the closest of three regional State Police headquarter buildings in Buena (Atlantic), Hamilton (Mercer), and Totowa (Passaic). Each regional location was staffed with Deputy Attorneys General to provide legal guidance throughout the operation. From there, the gang members and affiliates were bussed to Mercer County Jail, where by prior agreement, they were all lodged pending arraignments over the next few days. Our aim in this investigation was, quite simply, to put an end to this extremely violent set of the Bloods street gang in New Jersey, said Attorney General Farber. We have successfully executed one of the most significant and large-scale gang takedowns in the history of law enforcement in our state. In this operation, the State Police are indeed striking at the root of evil rather than hacking at its branches, said Colonel Rick Fuentes, Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police. This type of intelligence-led policing reduces crime by eliminating it at the source. Operation Nine Connect is the first major project of the realignment of the investigative resources in the State Police that occurred in 2005. Lt. Colonel Frank Rodgers, Deputy Superintendent of the Investigations Branch initiated these changes to infuse intelligence- based policing into the architecture of the agency. Intelligence analysts worked through the results of the Statewide Gang Survey and pored over crime data to come up with the most critical threat to safety in New Jersey. We found the Nine Trey set of the Bloods were responsible for more violence and crime than any other source at this time, said LTC Rodgers. By concentrating our enforcement on the source of the problem, we will have an impact on the quality of life for our citizens. We took down almost the entire leadership of the Nine Trey set, added Rodgers. We are very satisfied with the results of Operation Nine Connect. The State Police gang analysts estimate the strength of this set to be between 250 and 275 members in New Jersey. This is what we have in store for the leaders of New Jersey's violent street gangs, said Division of Criminal Justice Director Gregory A. Paw. We will be steadfast in our efforts to arrest and prosecute those responsible for the gunfire that is ravaging many of our communities. Under the new structure, Regional Intelligence Groups (RIG) contain both analysts and intelligence officers responsible for interpreting the criminal environment within each bureau's specific area of responsibility. They provide strategic and tactical intelligence products that influence how best to allocate resources. The Nine Trey Gangster are located throughout New Jersey, with strong networks located in the cities of Newark, Paterson, Atlantic City, Trenton, Asbury Park, Keansburg, and Bridgeton/Millville/Vineland (BMV are run as a single entity by the bloods hierarchy). The name Operation Nine Connect was derived from the gangs organized hierarchy that moved
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
Well, while I agree with you on putting out a number without checking the facts...one indisputable fact is that we do have gangs in our city. Doesn't matter if there are 20 members, or 200. Either can cause alot of bad things to happen, and no matter how many are physically here at one time, they are connected to people in other communities. So, let's say there are 20 bloods in AP, another 20 in Neptune, and 20 more in Lakewood. Don't you realize that gangs are big in the drug biz, and members seek out others in all of these towns to do business? Are you for sugar coating the truth to attract new business's? Do you think it's right to hide the facts from prospective new residents, or business's that might consider moving to AP? I don't. Gangs and crime are a fact of life here. That's the real issue, and I think argueing about public opinion about our town is pointless. AP has had a bad reputation for 30 years, maybe more. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the commie and assassination accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard. Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
Wow...good find. It pretty much says everything that needs to be said. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Found this on the web regarding what some perceived to be a negative story about AP in the NYT. Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:05 PM RuthAnn, et al: I have read the article in question online, and found it to be balanced, factual and accurate in it's reporting. While I do not agree with everything that is stated in the article, I can certainly empathize with the fears and frustrations of those that were quoted in the article. I share some of those frustrations, and know that many others in town who did not have the opportunity to express themselves in print do as well. I support Asbury Park and am proud to live here and serve on the city UEZ Board, but I cannot look at life in Asbury through rose- colored glasses. We DO have an enormous crime and drug problem, that the city cannot seem to get the upper hand on. We DO have an enormous and apparant split between the haves and the have not's. We DO have, once again, what seem to be a lot of promises regarding redevelopment but nothing tangible that the average citizen can see, or touch, or proudly point out to their friends and take heart in. We have promised timetables for redevelopment that are not being adhered to; and in fact are being stretched to the point of ridiculousness. All of these points were very fairly presented in the NY Times article. Granted, some of the people interviewed for the article are the usual naysayers that we all must deal with in today's Asbury, and I understand fully that there are many behind-the-scenes technicalities that must first be addressed, but for just a moment, consider how all of this must appear to Mr. and Mrs. Joe Resident, who have no access to the negotiations going on and may still have a bad taste left in their mouths from previous efforts and promises gone bad. A point to consider: if the average resident or visitor could see progress being made, could see something, ANYTHING, happeningpeople would not have to wonder aloud about our city's future in the New York Times. Al Giobbie Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow...good find. It pretty much says everything that needs to be said. And that was 3 years ago! I am focusing on the issue if his impatience with the redevelopment. I wonder how he feels now. I think I'll have his email printed in next week's coaster and TCN. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
you'd think 79% of that was written yesterday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you'd think 79% of that was written yesterday. Unbelievable. The balls on this guy. I wrote him myself. I may be crude and rude but I'm never afraid to put my face against my words. Al must have bought those rose-colored glasses in the ensuing years. What a hypocrite! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
x-tad-bigger Unbelievable. The balls on this guy. I wrote him myself. I may be crude /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger and rude but I'm never afraid to put my face against my words. Al must /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger have bought those rose-colored glasses in the ensuing years. What a /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger hypocrite!/x-tad-bigger The sad thing is that many of the town officials as well as people in the town (including on this board) think it's better for the town for nobody on the outside world to know about the crime. It's almost like they spend more time concealing the statistics than tackling the problems. It's kind of like the war in Iraq. Almost everyone agrees that it's going wrong but if you honestly try to talk about it and propose changes they call you unpatriotic and against the troops. In Asbury Park, they try to bury you if you discuss crime because they think you're against the cops. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
It's also sad that our excellent police force doesn't get the recognition they deserve. I think they do a great job. I've seen them in action quite a few times, and they're professional, courteous and easy to talk to. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unbelievable. The balls on this guy. I wrote him myself. I may be crude and rude but I'm never afraid to put my face against my words. Al must have bought those rose-colored glasses in the ensuing years. What a hypocrite! The sad thing is that many of the town officials as well as people in the town (including on this board) think it's better for the town for nobody on the outside world to know about the crime. It's almost like they spend more time concealing the statistics than tackling the problems. It's kind of like the war in Iraq. Almost everyone agrees that it's going wrong but if you honestly try to talk about it and propose changes they call you unpatriotic and against the troops. In Asbury Park, they try to bury you if you discuss crime because they think you're against the cops. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Asbury Park, they try to bury you if you discuss crime because they think you're against the cops. I think it's more that you might bring bad press to the city. The cops are doing a great job, but WE need to do more. It's like not admitting you have cancer and blaming the doctor when he tells you. That's a real good strategy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw lightgrw@ wrote: 3000 more arrest this over last year they are fighting crime but violent crimes are hard to predict. In Asbury Park, they try to bury you if you discuss crime because they think you're against the cops. I think it's more that you might bring bad press to the city. The cops are doing a great job, but WE need to do more. It's like not admitting you have cancer and blaming the doctor when he tells you. That's a real good strategy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Hinge wrote: x-tad-biggerIt's also sad that our excellent police force doesn't get the/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger recognition they deserve. I think they do a great job. I've seen them/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger in action quite a few times, and they're professional, courteous and/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger easy to talk to. /x-tad-bigger I agree. They helped me out one time when my car broke down in town and they're still one of the few beach towns that haven't harassed me for no apparent reason. Most of the local areas try so hard to get ticket money during the summer it isn't even funny. However, there is a difference between criticizing the police and talking about the crime problem and that's where I think people are wrong to ignore the situation. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
i think that Asbury could use a good 'ole publicity campaign to show some of the good things that are happening here...such as the police force, and the growth of Cookman. Sucks that we live in a world so full of negativity. Seems like the media only thinks we want to hear about that bad shit that happens in our world. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Hinge wrote: It's also sad that our excellent police force doesn't get the recognition they deserve. I think they do a great job. I've seen them in action quite a few times, and they're professional, courteous and easy to talk to. I agree. They helped me out one time when my car broke down in town and they're still one of the few beach towns that haven't harassed me for no apparent reason. Most of the local areas try so hard to get ticket money during the summer it isn't even funny. However, there is a difference between criticizing the police and talking about the crime problem and that's where I think people are wrong to ignore the situation. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
x-tad-bigger I think it's more that you might bring bad press to the city. The cops /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger are doing a great job, but WE need to do more. It's like not admitting /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger you have cancer and blaming the doctor when he tells you. That's a real /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger good strategy./x-tad-bigger I understand that having something like summits to talk about and deal with the crime situation would be bad press but it would also show the world that you're trying to change things. There's good and bad in this situation. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Dear Point Miss-ers..........
After reading these posts about Mr. Keady and hearing some parts of our lovely radio host refering to it last night, I must say many are missing the point. ABC News was here to cover - shootings. The report was going to be bad. No one could do any kind of covering, ignoring or any other word you choose, to make the bad report look, in the final analysis, postive. No one is suggesting Keady had the power to do that. Although you must tell the truth, you don't have to make the situation look worse than it is. I agree Keady shouldn't tell falsehoods to make us look good, but certainly telling a falsehood to make us look worse than we are is bad too. That's what he did wrong. The viewers were already getting the confirmed story that something scary was happening here. A councilman's job would be to then tell the rest of the truth - that are police department is revamped, the county is helping and we are working hard against it. I hope all of you screaming for truth will admit telling the whole truth is more fair and makes us look better, so it is truthful and good for AP. Keady has not yet realized he is no longer some guy with a picket sign rallying against the man. As a public official, his words carry weight now. He has a duty to you and me to make sure the picture of Asbury Park to a tri-state TV audience is a balanced one. We are rarely on TV. For him to use a false fact to make us look worse than we are was what he did wrong. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
On Nov 3, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Fred wrote: x-tad-bigger 3000 more arrest this over last year they are fighting crime but /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger violent crimes are hard to predict. /x-tad-bigger See you just proved my point. I was not criticizing the police nor did I say they weren't doing their job. There are some problems that need to be discussed BECAUSE they are so big. Yet you just pointed out that they were doing their job and insinuated I suggested they weren't. That's the problem. You can talk about the problem without saying its the fault of the police but people just don't listen to what you're saying when you try. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Dear Point Miss-ers..........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keady has not yet realized he is no longer some guy with a picket sign rallying against the man. As a public official, his words carry weight now. He has a duty to you and me to make sure the picture of Asbury Park to a tri-state TV audience is a balanced one. I've done a couple of TV News interviews and what appeared on the screen was not everything I said. How do you know what, if anything, was edited out? Do you have the complete interview or only what was shown? We are rarely on TV. For him to use a false fact to make us look worse than we are was what he did wrong. How do you know its false? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Need Email Address
I started searching for Tom Gilmour's email address online. I Googled it and started hitting some links, and a bunch of nudie pictures popped up (wasn't him - it was a lady). Goodness but I hate the Internets sometimes! Does anyone have it so I don't have that happen to me again? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Dear Point Miss-ers..........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done a couple of TV News interviews and what appeared on the screen was not everything I said. How do you know what, if anything, was edited out? Do you have the complete interview or only what was shown? Point well taken. How do you know its false? I believe the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Be that as it may, didn't that one study referenced here today speak of 200 county wide? To say 200 in AP is false. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Need Email Address
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started searching for Tom Gilmour's email address online. I Googled it and started hitting some links, and a bunch of nudie pictures popped up (wasn't him - it was a lady). I hoped you closed your eyes. Goodness but I hate the Internets sometimes! Does anyone have it so I don't have that happen to me again? I didn't search for it online (but now maybe I'll try). I just sent a complain to reidy via email and fax. just try [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have Al Giobbie's email if you want to verbally spank him. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Dear Point Miss-ers GUMBA NIGHT.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. As it should be. Maybe he is not ready yet to reveal his sources. Be that as it may, didn't that one study referenced here today speak of 200 county wide? To say 200 in AP is false. Look at the study I posted. There are 17,000 gang members (at minimum) in the state. I think it said nearly 5,000 were Bloods. The survey also admits that this is based on reporting police estimates which are acknowledged to only estimate the tip of the iceberg. Let's see what APPD reported in 2004. Remember that heroin bust in Newark a couple of months ago? It was a Bloods gang that had ties to AP. I would not be surprised if there were 200 members here. But say its 100 or 50, or 300+, what's the difference? If Keady even had an absolute basis for his numbers he would still be crucified. I want you to vent your anger here at GUMBA Night. I want Loffredo in 15ht Century clothes and Bruno railing like a madman. I want to read those letters from the boys in Ocean Twp. I want some balance. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. My response: I would have to question your concern. Forget 200 as a number, cause worse is the Three shootings within a week. Thats what keeps people away. Not a politician's stab at an estimate. Let me ask you, how many people between the ages of 11 20 do you think live in Asbury Park? KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Dear Point Miss-ers..........
I have a relative working the M County courts PTI program. They have their share of good old white collar crimers (Drs, Lawyers and everyday people) - some with the same problems - or most - drugs. So you have users and dealers. Like one story I was told - I don't use, just sell. nice guy right? Do away with PTI (pre-trial-intervention) and make more room in jail. That to me is like one free ride in most cases. Then there are many, many programs that users get to get into - once they get caught and face jail - or the option of PTI (if granted). I'll leave it to the lawyer or 2 on this sboard to comment. (Quite a few FAIL the PTI program). Question, since Jim's comment, can someone show a real cause and effect? Did Jim' interview cause people not to eat or shop in downtown? Permantely or just for last week? If that were the case, no one would be back in NYC since 9/11. Build a business (businesses) that people want and need throughout the day. g What the UEZ should begin planning is how to capitalize on the outlet center (highend) that will open within the next 2 years at exit 100. And there is another 30 acres right there that will be sold, plus another 130 on the west side that will some day go. You have a new hotel opening at Jumping Brook, more food joints. You'll have more opportunity to draw traffic downtown. Now you jsut have to figure out how to draw them in another 5 miles. It's called the beachfront and Cookman Ave. To do so, you have open Asbury Ave and work with Neptune to do so. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
What if the so called mistake JK made was to say 200 Bloods and he really meant to say Gang Members? That being said...don't you think that AP having 200 gang members is a possibility? I still think that focusing on this is a waste of time. It's the underlying problem thats the problem. Oh...and all the talk about bad publicity making people or business's not want to come here... What a concept, thinking that this most recent incident is the only bad PR AP has received. What about the past 30 yrs? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. My response: I would have to question your concern. Forget 200 as a number, cause worse is the Three shootings within a week. Thats what keeps people away. Not a politician's stab at an estimate. Let me ask you, how many people between the ages of 11 20 do you think live in Asbury Park? KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] An Asbury Park Quiz Game
An Asbury Park Quiz Game in Time for the Weekend Can You Identify These Celebrities? He wanted the opponents destroyed. He would defeat them, slaughter them and humiliate them. He’s happy to crush the liberal elites inspired by Kennedy's New Frontier under the steamroller of 19th-century family values. He wanted to wipe out the gray, if-it-feels-good-do-it, blame-America-first, doused-in-Vietnam-guilt 60's and turn the clock back to the black-and-white Manichaean values of the 50's. He appealed to … the most crabbed insecurities -- the disparaging of the other, the fear of those godless hedonists in the blue states out to get them and their families. He wanted to wipe out remnants of the ''counterculture McGoverniks.'' They don't call to our better angels; they summon our nasty devils. He combined his evangelical appeal with a call for social justice. = Scoring: Good - 1 celebrity; Better - 2 celebrities Better than Better - 3 celebrities Hall of Fame - 4celebrities Reigning Sovereign of this Yahoo group - 5 celebrities. The Only Rule: Googling is not permitted! (Disclaimer: I did not compose any of the above phrases.) = __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
Jack it is a matter of venue (triState area) and quantity (one sentence). I'll give you 3 sentences. Paint me a balanced picture of Asbury Park (understanding you are a community leader so your words have the imprematur of authority and a duty to us all) What do you come up with. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if the so called mistake JK made was to say 200 Bloods and he really meant to say Gang Members? That being said...don't you think that AP having 200 gang members is a possibility? I still think that focusing on this is a waste of time. It's the underlying problem thats the problem. Oh...and all the talk about bad publicity making people or business's not want to come here... What a concept, thinking that this most recent incident is the only bad PR AP has received. What about the past 30 yrs? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. My response: I would have to question your concern. Forget 200 as a number, cause worse is the Three shootings within a week. Thats what keeps people away. Not a politician's stab at an estimate. Let me ask you, how many people between the ages of 11 20 do you think live in Asbury Park? KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Gang Numbers Statewide Growing by leaps bounds.
As per the State police the State's gang population is 17,000. This number is gang members and excludes wanna bees. This and more information was aired tonight on NJN News. I think some people need to apologise to Jim Keady. Even though he is a Liberal Progressive. God be merciful to us all Rev. Kevin Brown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Shock Meeting Proposal
You want to know how many real gang members in Asbury Park you have? You arrange for the Baronette Theatre to show the Lord's of Flatbush You call an absolute TRUCE and provide sincere promises that there will be no police retaliation. You have discreet and plain clothes police presence. You have a panel of discreet citizens acting as hosts. You ask they come without weapons and you gaurantee their safety. You drop flyers one week out all over the place and do it in Spanish so you get the Latin Kings Queens and MS# aware. You provide the free showing of the movie. You call it Night of Peace. If you do this you will be shocked at actually how many there are roaming the streets of Asbury. I would even be brave enough to try to open a dialogue and invite The Gaurdian angels to speak. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Grabes Comments Wednesday Night Council Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I was not present at Wednesday nights council meeting the comments that were made by Jim Grabe was outrageous. How indecent of you to tell the Deputy Mayor to go kiss his dead mothers ass along with the other comments you made calling him some choice words. My mother always taught me this and it seems to work well so I am going to pass advice on to you. If you don't have anything nice to say to someone than don't say it at all. It really works and you'll feel better to. How I heard about this even though I was not present? Lets just say the word travels fast in Asbury Park. Garrett Giberson Jr . ~ ~~ Garrett Jr., Well you wasn't there so you can so what you what.You know I am having a problem with your Father not getting a trim around a Flag Pole so maybe you are upset about this also.A business owner on Cookman had a few words for him today also because she was cleaning her leaves on sidewalk today.He got upset.Youhave the nerve to bring up family.Your a paid public offical learn to contrlol yourself stop acting like your father.You have my address if you feel you have ap roblem lets bring in front of a judge. James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Alliance Asbury Park N.J. (732) 774-6917 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Grabes Comments Wednesday Night Council Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I was not present at Wednesday nights council meeting the comments that were made by Jim Grabe was outrageous. How indecent of you to tell the Deputy Mayor to go kiss his dead mothers ass along with the other comments you made calling him some choice words. My mother always taught me this and it seems to work well so I am going to pass advice on to you. If you don't have anything nice to say to someone than don't say it at all. It really works and you'll feel better to. How I heard about this even though I was not present? Lets just say the word travels fast in Asbury Park. Garrett Giberson Jr . ~ ~~ Garrett Jr., Well you wasn't there so you can so what you what.You know I am having a problem with your Father not getting a trim around a Flag Pole so maybe you are upset about this also.A business owner on Cookman had a few words for him today also because she was cleaning her leaves on sidewalk today.He got upset.Youhave the nerve to bring up family.Your a paid public offical learn to contrlol yourself stop acting like your father.You have my address if you feel you have ap roblem lets bring in front of a judge. James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Alliance Asbury Park N.J. (732) 774-6917 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Gang Numbers Statewide Growing by leaps bounds.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: I think some people need to apologise to Jim Keady. Even though he is a Liberal Progressive. Like Christ, eh?Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Gang Numbers Statewide Growing by leaps bounds. Date: 11/3/2006 7:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: As per the State police the State's gang population is 17,000. This number is gang members and excludes wanna bees. This and more information was aired tonight on NJN News.I think some people need to apologise to Jim Keady. Even though he is a Liberal Progressive.God be merciful to us allRev. Kevin Brown __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] weseley grove
phase 2, although its not where the sign of phase 2 is located. west upward on cookman ave, are they planned to be the same as the cookmanside units that are already done? did anyone else notice they faux aged a few buildings on the top floor facing west on cookman. there is a "blocked out window" with the upper arch remaining. i see on the east side, top floor. they only gave one window a top transim (sp) window, where the window next to it "should" have had one to balance things out. at least they attempted to give the building a not so cookie cutter look. right now, it looks too fake, but in a few years, it may even give the illusion that it wasnt done intentonally. i wonder if they added in these 2 things last minute, becuase rumors of their "all looking the same" were heard. thats what im guessing. i dont remember seeing these 2 things in any of the drawings. ill take a picture tomorrow, or sunday, if some arnt sure what im reffering to. charlie Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] lake ave cut off
the fact that lake ave got cut off is bad, it doesnt even look right. however, to make a situation that is already done, and most likely not be changed back to the way it was, lets look at it from a positive side. instead of what seems to be the norm to bash something for all its worth (which does nothing, except make people mad, mad at something they can not fix) from looking at everything, in my eyes, the reason the new "palace drive" is made narrow, is because thats the location where a new hotel would be. wouldnt it be neat if that road went through the hotel, under an arch in the building of some sort?. in my head, thats what i see happening, will it happen, who knows. but its a damn good idea!! if you were heading down lake ave, passing through wesely grove units, youd be heading smack into the hotel complex. giving the reason for the narrow road. you dont want a large road, making driving faster easier when your near a hotel of some sort. dont get me wrong though, sure id like to see lake ave kept open, connecting with ocean ave. however, thats not how it is. and its a done deal pretty much, right? so lets try to think of the best things this road closure can do, not everything thats bad with it. charlie Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] sidewalks
the sidewalks on ocean ave are not smaller then they were, at least not everywhere. the sidewalks behind the empress hotel. before, werent they somewhat small, with grass between the walk and road?? now the sidewalk goes straight to the road, eliminating the grassy area once before, with conrete blocks. if anything, isnt that added space? im having a hard time picturing all the sidewalks on ocean ave, its been a while since things were calm, with no construction. i had everything memorized at one time though. the east side of ocean ave is cut back a lot though, thats true. the area around theberkley hote, the building is close to poping out into the street! also, cough cough, it appears the new road and curb height in the newly curbed ocean ave lines up fine with the convention hall. go figure. Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, The Battle for Brooklyn
Click here: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, "The Battle for Brooklyn" WNET, Thirteen.org Rafael Pi Roman looks at the bitter fight over the Atlantic Yards plan, including interviews with City Council Member Letitia James, and Empire State Development Chairman Charles Gargano. Airing Friday night at 10:30 (reairing at 7am on Saturday) full video and text available next week __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, The Battle for Brooklyn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Click here: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, The Battle for Brooklyn_ (http://www.nolandgrab.org/archives/2006/10/tonight_new_yor.html) I have a couple of asignments in that. Ratner (developer) paid a premium to all of the white condo and coop owners to get out and screwed everybody else. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, The Battle for ...
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: I have a couple of asignments in that. Any thoughts on the effectiveness of the related web site? Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, "The Battle for Brooklyn" Date: 11/3/2006 9:03:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: _Click here: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, "The Battle for Brooklyn"_ (http://www.nolandgrab.org/archives/2006/10/tonight_new_yor.html) I have a couple of asignments in that. Ratner (developer) paid a premium to all of the white condo and coop owners to get out and screwed everybody else. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Grabes Comments Wednesday Night Council Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although I was not present at Wednesday nights council meeting the comments
that were made by Jim Grabe was outrageous. How indecent of you to tell the
Deputy Mayor to go kiss his dead mothers ass along with the other comments
you
made calling him some choice words. My mother always taught me this and it
seems
to work well so I am going to pass advice on to you. If you don't have
anything nice to say to someone than don't say it at all.
~~~
Garrett Jr,
Your Deputy Mayor could use that advice he had nasty words for alot of people
attending Council meetings.He should be more professonail like the 2 Council
members on the end of both sides of him.He cannot not except the truth.He first
asked me about my medicine if I didn't take it today when I was leaving the
meeting while he was smoking.Someone comes at me I come back.Just like when
your father told me the tree around the Library Flag Pole been like that for 20
f___y years Why worry know.Witness's to this.One is a reporter.I guess that
means he hasn't been doing his job while he has been his postion letting it
grow like it did.Time for him to change that Flag on his truck also.He can
plant a tree but cannot get a tree trim says alot about him.And you are
bringing your family up.What nerve you have.Maybe him Deputy Mayor could
resign together.That might work for them.I am willing to go to Court over
this.I have the backing of many Veterans of the State of N.J.All this started
over a tree not being trim around a Flag Pole donated by Veterans in 1962 at
the:
~Asbury Park Public Library~
Terry Reidy said at the last Council meeting Garrett Gilberson {your father}
talk with the Library.This was brought up to the Council your father by the
deputy mayor a over a month ago.As of Wenesday it still wasn't done.
James Grabe
Patriot Officer
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J.
It really works and you'll
feel better to. How I heard about this even though I was not present? Lets
just say the word travels fast in Asbury Park.
Garrett Giberson Jr .
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[AsburyPark] Re: No Land Grab: TONIGHT: New York Voices, The Battle for ...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any thoughts on the effectiveness of the related web site? _Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn_ (http://dddb.net/php/aboutdddb.php) The No Land Grab and associated sites had alot of my stuff on there with regard to the battle for Jets Stadium. Dan Goldstein is the guy trying to hold up Atlantic Yards. He claims he will not sell out and I don't he will. The latest lawsuit they filed will hold up things for a while, but they will not win. There's a couple of more taking projects in Downtown Bklyn that have been on the boards for a while but the city is holding back. NY is a little freer than NJ to take property but the awards are much fairer in NY, which are all by bench trials. I would like to think because I represent a lot of property owners;) In reality, I think there is less politics in the courts in NYC. They are a den of vipers here with developers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tom - GUMBA NIGHT
Tom We corresponded by email about this and you said I could bet my sweet ass you were going to complain. You have to do it here publicly as well as directly to the city. Both the city and Asbury Partners gets it from you with both barrles. Don't pull any punches. I also expect to see it on your blog. Carry on just like Columbus Day, then we will know your criticisms are for the issue and not the person. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Nero Sleeps While Rome Burns
All he has to do is say where he is getting that information from - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 1:05:20 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Nero Sleeps While Rome Burns --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. Maybe he has the back up? What does the number have to rise to before someone says something? It's not like it is news.Legislators take steps to combat gangsPosted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/19/06BY TOM BALDWINGANNETT STATE BUREAUTRENTON — Lawmakers stepped up the war on street gangs Thursday, advancing a raft of measures they hope might restore calm.One in particular said gangland defendants had to prove bail money comes from legitimate sources, erasing the oft-repeated parlay in which a gang member bails out another with cash — of uncertain sources — stuffed into a brown paper bag.The steps also include special gun courts, shielding the identities of victims and lawyers and confiscating vehicles of people nabbed with illegal weapons."Where there's drugs, there's gangs," said Assemblyman Peter Barnes, D-Middlesex, chairman of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee.Barnes sat in front of a state map that showed gang presence spreading across the state from urban centers to suburbs in Monmouth, Camden and Middlesex counties, across the Interstate 78 corridor to Warren County and in pockets around southern New Jersey."Heck, they're in Princeton," said Assemblyman Reed Gusciora, D-Mercer."It is a package of triage legislation, " said Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson Coleman, D-Mercer, where late-March gang battles on Trenton streets killed six people, including a 7-year-old girl and two bystanders, all in a 24-hour period.First Assistant Attorney General Anne Milgram urged passage of the package, saying all major violent gangs are present in New Jersey, from South Jersey bikers to West Coast street groups that have expanded east.She mentioned gangs in Asbury Park, Lakewood, Camden, Vineland and Trenton. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election.The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the "commie" and assassination accusation!Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard." Original Message= === Subj:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
I am not for sugar coating the truth but I am for the truth. If Larry Fishman went on the news and say the development is well underway how many posts would be on this board bitching and moaning? Yes there are buildings going up but not 200. I am well aware that gangs are all over. That is not my issue or the issue the UZE, Coaster etc the issue is why did he say 200 on tv? - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 1:16:53 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Well, while I agree with you on putting out a number without checking the facts...one indisputable fact is that we do have gangs in our city. Doesn't matter if there are 20 members, or 200. Either can cause alot of bad things to happen, and no matter how many are physically here at one time, they are connected to people in other communities. So, let's say there are 20 bloods in AP, another 20 in Neptune, and 20 more in Lakewood. Don't you realize that gangs are big in the drug biz, and members seek out others in all of these towns to do business?Are you for sugar coating the truth to attract new business's?Do you think it's right to hide the facts from prospective new residents, or business's that might consider moving to AP? I don't. Gangs and crime are a fact of life here. That's the real issue, and I think argueing about public opinion about our town is pointless. AP has had a bad reputation for 30 years, maybe more. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property.- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election.The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the "commie" and assassination accusation!Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard." Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@ yahoogro ups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)
So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 1:07:53 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote:So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs?I guess he is not alone.BLACK MAYORS MEETINGEast Orange mayor to Ala. peers: Fight gangsPosted by the Asbury Park Press on 08/28/06MOBILE, Ala.: Alabama black mayors should develop ways to fight gangs in their cities, East Orange, N.J., Mayor Robert Bowser said.Bowser, the president of the National Conference of Black Mayors, urged the 10 mayors attending a meeting of the Alabama chapter Saturday to develop programs to steer children away from gangs."Anything that you're planning, make sure it lasts for a long time, because this is an ongoing problem," Bowser said.Alabama has 53 black mayors, said James Perkins, president of the Alabama chapter.The Associated Press __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Dear Point Miss-ers GUMBA NIGHT.....
You should be demanding the truth and for him to state his sources. Not lame excuses I bet at this moment he (JK)is positing to Wikipedia over and over so he can then post the result as justification.. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 5:38:19 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Dear Point Miss-ers GUMBA NIGHT. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright" justifiedright@ ... wrote: I believe the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.As it should be. Maybe he is not ready yet to reveal his sources. Be that as it may, didn't that one study referenced here today speak of 200 county wide? To say 200 in AP is false.Look at the study I posted. There are 17,000 gang members (at minimum) in the state. I think it said nearly 5,000 were Bloods. The survey also admits that this is based on reporting police estimates which are acknowledged to only estimate the tip of the iceberg. Let's see what APPD reported in 2004. Remember that heroin bust in Newark a couple of months ago? It was a Bloods gang that had ties to AP. I would not be surprised if there were 200 members here. But say its 100 or 50, or 300+, what's the difference? If Keady even had an absolute basis for his numbers he would still be crucified.I want you to vent your anger here at GUMBA Night. I want Loffredo in 15ht Century clothes and Bruno railing like a madman. I want to read those letters from the boys in Ocean Twp. I want some balance. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Spit Out the Air
Dan, In reference to that "Gumba"bet Tommy made with you: Tom,We corresponded by email about this and you said I could bet my sweet ass you were going to complain [about Gumba Night]. You have to do it here publicly as well as directly to the city. Both the city and Asbury Partners gets it from you with both barrles. Don't pull any punches. I also expect to see it on your blog. Carry on just like Columbus Day, then we will know your criticisms are for the issue and not the person. Remember the "never...ever" words to Keady: "Our conversations are going to be a little salty sometimes. That's never going to be shared with anyone or ever held against you." Dan, you need to learn to "spit out the air": "My uncle ordered popovers from the restaurant's bill of fare. And when they were served, he regarded them with a penetrating stare . . . Then he spoke great Words of Wisdom as he sat there on that chair: "To eat these things," said my uncle, "you must excercise great care. You may swallow down what's solid . . . BUT . . . you must spit out the air!" And . . . as you partake of the world's bill of fare, that's darned good advice to follow. Do a lot of spitting out the hot air. And be careful what you swallow."- - Dr. Seuss's famous 75-second commencement speechat Lake Forest College, class of '77 Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Tom - GUMBA NIGHT Date: 11/3/2006 10:45:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: TomWe corresponded by email about this and you said I could bet my sweet ass you were going to complain. You have to do it here publicly as well as directly to the city. Both the city and Asbury Partners gets it from you with both barrles. Don't pull any punches. I also expect to see it on your blog. Carry on just like Columbus Day, then we will know your criticisms are for the issue and not the person. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
