Re: [Elecraft] smaller?
From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:41:03 + I still think a ham radio the size and shape of a flat panel display... where the controls are spread out, plentiful, and large over a big panel space would sell well. You will probably be able to have this with the K3- since everything can be controlled by software, you can have the display as large as you want, and the pushbuttons could all be touch screen functions; and it would be easy enough to have a box of knobs to control the radio via the same software. Maybe I'll need that capability in a few years, but for now, I think the K3 is very close to the ideal size. 73, doug ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] smaller?
I am going to take very good care of my IC-775dsp because it has REAL KNOBS and NO MENUS. The day I only can choose to turn a knob via a mouse on a screen is the day I find another hobby.. FOOIE AND OTHER STRONGER WORDS OF NEGATION. Touching real things is important to me. think intimate human contact via computer screen... who would want that!!! I know the answer engineers! Why oh why put a great spec radio in a toy box. so sad. but keep my order for a K3 active! Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 KAT3 auto tune
One K3 question I'm interested in knowing the answer to: will it be possible to assign different KAT3 behaviour to the two antenna positions so that the KAT3 tunes automatically when you hit TUNE in one position, but only transmits a carrier and displays the SWR in the other? I'm thinking of the situation where one antenna has a remote auto tuner or needs to be manually tuned. With the K2 you have to toggle ANT A/B and then go into the menu and switch the tuner between Auto and Cal S, which makes quick switching between antennas impossible. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beta tester reports
That's with the 100W PA, presumably? I wonder what the 10W version will be like? Having to stand a brick on top of it will kind of spoil the appearance. The main benefit of the KBT2 option for me has turned out to be to make the K2 heavier. People have said there is a lot of space in the K3. I suppose one could always mount the brick inside it. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/19/07, Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. This radio is TOO LIGHT. When I try to push the band change button, it tries to move on the table. Wayne sent me some stickier rubber feet ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - very cool feature.
What might also be cool (maybe in the future) is being able to store the actual setting of the memory option in the programmable button. So, instead of pressing M1 and then turning VFOa to pick the value and then pressing Menu to store it (I assume that is what is required). You store that Menu option X = value Y You could store a specific setting on TAP M1 and a different setting on HOLD M1 and no need to press any other key, and just toggle between them. As I don't have a K3 yet, I don't know if I might use 2 values of a menu menu option in this way, perhaps not. On 20/9/07 01:47, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: The programmable keys can be used for easy access to menu settings. Enter MENU or CONFIG and select the item you want to assign to the key, then HOLD PF1 or PF2 to program that menu item to that key. You can do the same with the M1-4 buttons instead of messages (you can mix and match too). But with the M1-4 keys you can program both TAP and HOLD giving you up to 8 more programmable keys. -- When you want to test the depths of a stream, don't use both feet. -Chinese Proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 and pahse noise
Hello all, I am looking for any relevant info about phase noise of K3 - is there any plot or table with any numbers? If I missed something somewhere please let me know by individual e-mails and sorry for bandwidth. 73! es GL Lexa, OK1DST ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3 auto tune
I want that functionality too - have an SG237 outside the shack for a long wire and the Coax comes in to the rig - keep the RF out the shack. On 20/9/07 09:25, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: One K3 question I'm interested in knowing the answer to: will it be possible to assign different KAT3 behaviour to the two antenna positions so that the KAT3 tunes automatically when you hit TUNE in one position, but only transmits a carrier and displays the SWR in the other? I'm thinking of the situation where one antenna has a remote auto tuner or needs to be manually tuned. With the K2 you have to toggle ANT A/B and then go into the menu and switch the tuner between Auto and Cal S, which makes quick switching between antennas impossible. -- Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his neighbour's son. The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke like a thief. But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and the next time he saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked and spoke like any other child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] solution to sliding paddles
Anyone in the UK know where this stuff can be bought over here? Seems to me, you guys in the US have lots of good stuff just sitting around on shelves crying out to be purchased - over here, we have to search for it - rather like a trek up the Amazon to find a rare species! That stuff is sold as shelf and drawer liner, and is available at just about everywhere kitchen supplies are sold. (Mine came from that mecca of capitalism, Wal-Mart.) -- The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and pahse noise
Hi Lexa We are all interested in the Phase noise data. The Phase noise performance and likewise the transmitter 2 tone IMD seem to be the last 2 specifications that are missing fom the K3 numbers chase. This like everything else i am sure will be available soon. Craig VK3HE --- Alexandr Kobranov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am looking for any relevant info about phase noise of K3 - is there any plot or table with any numbers? If I missed something somewhere please let me know by individual e-mails and sorry for bandwidth. 73! es GL Lexa, OK1DST ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beta tester reports
I am hoping that theres enough room in there to put in a 50 volt or higher Fet Amplifier. I wont know till i get mine and make some measurements. Craig VK3HE --- Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's with the 100W PA, presumably? I wonder what the 10W version will be like? Having to stand a brick on top of it will kind of spoil the appearance. The main benefit of the KBT2 option for me has turned out to be to make the K2 heavier. People have said there is a lot of space in the K3. I suppose one could always mount the brick inside it. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/19/07, Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. This radio is TOO LIGHT. When I try to push the band change button, it tries to move on the table. Wayne sent me some stickier rubber feet ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 filter bandwidth versus real bandwidth...
Steve Kallal wrote: If I want to pass a 500 Hz signal, what bandwidth should I select in the filter calibration? I guess the selected bandwidth isn't measured at 6 db down, or is it? As this is done by open loop control of a varicap control voltage, I'd expect the relationship to vary considerably between units. If you need finely tuned settings, you should probably set the filter using a spectrum display, with white noise input, e.g. using the spectrogram method. You can probably use your digital mode terminal program instead of spectrogram. I think it is probably safer to treat the displayed bandwidth as an (approximately) monotonic function of true bandwidth, rather than measuring the actual bandwidth. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re:[Elecraft]solution to sliding paddles
Blu-tack works fine Bryan GM3AKF ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT: CW reader analogy to watching TV/listening to radio
Hello sports fans! Recently, I made an analogy between the cw reader and watching the Yankees on TV but listening to the announcer(s) via radio. http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-September/073714.html I received so many private replies about I do that too that I decided to reply here to simply ack' all your replies and to express my appreciation for your email. THANKS! I never would have guessed that this is so popular de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] PossibleTypo in K3 Quick-Start Guide
Hi Wayne and Eric and All,
In reading the K3 Quick-Start Guide, I noticed what looks to be a typo. On the
third page, second bullet point of the group, SPLIT, BSET, and SUB, it says:
Tap BSET {13}. I believe it should say Hold BSET {13}.
Also, and this might be a nit-pick, on the same page, in the group Memories,
Messages, and DVR, second bullet point, It says: The KDV3R3 option is required
for voice messages, as well as AF REC / AF PLAY. IMHO, the last part (that I
have typed in Bold) is superfluous.
In any case, I doubt that anyone was confused.
73,
John, W2GW
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Re: [Elecraft] smaller?
In a message dated 9/19/07 11:41:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All respondents really gave me only one answer... cheaper... and I understand that, but cheaper does not always drive consumer products see the BMW 730i or the celebrity handbag costs ESPECIALLY IN A NICHE MARKET like those and like ham radio. How many 730is are sold in the USA, compared to total car sales? Apply that percentage to the total number of ham transceivers sold. I still think a ham radio the size and shape of a flat panel display... where the controls are spread out, plentiful, and large over a big panel space would sell well. How much more would you be willing to spend for one? 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Keeping Paddles In Place
Hi All, I have found that even the slightest tendency for my paddle to move (or wobble) can really affect the accuracy of my sending. The faster you send, the more important it is for the paddle to be firmly anchored. At home I have a couple of Begali paddles, and they just don't move! But when I travel, I take paddles which, although good paddles, are not quite as substantial. Also, as many of you have pointed out, the rubber feet on many paddles are not very good. Besides being hard and often getting slick as they age, I don't think they give you enough contact surface. The shelf liner suggestion is a good one. If you get the right kind, it really helps keep your paddle (and lots of other things too) in place. I don't know how many kinds there are, but commonly I see two kinds. One has kind of a fat, bubbly surface and looks rather smooth. The other seems a bit thinner, and the pattern looks more irregular. This latter type is what you want. I think it's even cheaper. The type with the fat bubbles just doesn't seem to grab as well, while the thinner type grabs a surface much better. I also use this stuff on my dashboard and console in vehicles. You can use it to keep most anything from sliding around. Dave W7AQK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Non-skid Radios
Tnx for tip on non skid material, Don. And tnx to you, Tree for the response you sent earlier. I have really enjoyed your earlier posts. There is another source of non skid matl other than the grocery store stuff and it might even be better. I find it at WalMart in the RVcamping section, in the form of a roll. It is very sticky, and more rubbery than the shelf liner material I have seen in grocery stores. The RV kind is specifically designed to prevent things from slipping while travelling. I have seen it in blue and tan colors. The RV type is what I use under paddles. Another possibility is tool box liner material, sold by Sears in the automobile/tool dept, but it is not as sticky as the RV. Tnx again and 73 Second batch George, N4YM K2 # 4758 - Original Message - From: Don Ehrlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED]; George [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Non-skid Radios This won't be news to many but perhaps some of us did not know how useful the non-skid mats are that you can buy in any grocery store. These mats are made of a rubbery substance that, when placed under something like a light weight radio or a bug or paddle, keep it from moving. It is very handy stuff and very cheap as well. Don K7FJ 2. This radio is TOO LIGHT. When I try to push the band change button, it tries to move on the table. Wayne sent me some stickier rubber feet and this has helped. I am trying to convince them to develop an accessory called KBA3 - which are covers made out of lead and will increase the weight of the radio from 8 pounds to a more studly 24 pounds. (BA stands for Boat Anchor). Maybe the upcoming KPAKW3 option will add enough weight and make this unnecessary. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 11:53 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Keeping Paddles In Place
Get a K8RA PADDLE P-5. The base weights 7lbs and is a very good key. I have a P-4 and it weights 5lbs and goes NOWHERE! http://www.k8ra.com/ Dick, NJ9K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Yarnes Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:23 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Keeping Paddles In Place Hi All, I have found that even the slightest tendency for my paddle to move (or wobble) can really affect the accuracy of my sending. The faster you send, the more important it is for the paddle to be firmly anchored. At home I have a couple of Begali paddles, and they just don't move! But when I travel, I take paddles which, although good paddles, are not quite as substantial. Also, as many of you have pointed out, the rubber feet on many paddles are not very good. Besides being hard and often getting slick as they age, I don't think they give you enough contact surface. The shelf liner suggestion is a good one. If you get the right kind, it really helps keep your paddle (and lots of other things too) in place. I don't know how many kinds there are, but commonly I see two kinds. One has kind of a fat, bubbly surface and looks rather smooth. The other seems a bit thinner, and the pattern looks more irregular. This latter type is what you want. I think it's even cheaper. The type with the fat bubbles just doesn't seem to grab as well, while the thinner type grabs a surface much better. I also use this stuff on my dashboard and console in vehicles. You can use it to keep most anything from sliding around. Dave W7AQK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] solution to sliding paddles
You might also look at the sheet of material the airline puts on your plastic tray to stop your plastic dinner from sliding about. It's free as well :D David G3UNA From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/20 Thu AM 10:09:21 BST To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] solution to sliding paddles Anyone in the UK know where this stuff can be bought over here? Seems to me, you guys in the US have lots of good stuff just sitting around on shelves crying out to be purchased - over here, we have to search for it - rather like a trek up the Amazon to find a rare species! That stuff is sold as shelf and drawer liner, and is available at just about everywhere kitchen supplies are sold. (Mine came from that mecca of capitalism, Wal-Mart.) -- The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Keeping Paddles In Place
In stores among kitchen gadget displays you can find these thin, round rubber pads; the purpose of which is to assist in opening jar lids. Works great under a paddle and the diameter is a perfect match for any paddle's footprint. Colors, too. de Joe, aa4nn ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beta tester reports
Folks: Tree and I differ a bit on whether the K3 is too light or not. I've used my K3 for about 2-1/2 months now (I think) and have had NO problems with it being too light for my normal button-pressing operations. The KPA3 (PA) doesn't really add THAT much added weight to the K3, but I have had few (if any) problems with it moving during normal button-pressing activities here. Additionally, Wayne (and Elecraft) have obtained back feet for the K3 which are more 'tactile' and which should add a significant amount of 'grip' for those of us who are a bit more 'enthusiastic' in our button pressing... G 73, Tom N0SS At 03:30 09/20/2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: That's with the 100W PA, presumably? I wonder what the 10W version will be like? Having to stand a brick on top of it will kind of spoil the appearance. The main benefit of the KBT2 option for me has turned out to be to make the K2 heavier. People have said there is a lot of space in the K3. I suppose one could always mount the brick inside it. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/19/07, Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. This radio is TOO LIGHT. When I try to push the band change button, it tries to move on the table. Wayne sent me some stickier rubber feet ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] PossibleTypo in K3 Quick-Start Guide
Hi John: At 05:43 09/20/2007, John Reiser wrote: Also, and this might be a nit-pick, on the same page, in the group Memories, Messages, and DVR, second bullet point, It says: The KDV3R3 option is required for voice messages, as well as AF REC / AF PLAY. IMHO, the last part (that I have typed in Bold) is superfluous. The second reference(s) actually refer to OFF-AID record/play (e.g. recording that just-worked 3B7C QSO, to make sure you really DID 'work' him), rather than VOICE messages. I think that's why they were specifically mentioned. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Keeping Paddles In Place
There have been quite a few good solutions posted here to keep your paddles from wandering aroundanother that I use is a Sticky Pad. I got mine at RadioShack and I've seen them at other stores as well. It is designed to put on your dashboard so that keys, cell phones, etc. will not slide off. The bottom has a sticky surface that keeps the pad itself anchored, and the top surface is rather soft and rubbery, so a paddle like a Bencher absolutely does not move around. You can remove the pad and wash it if it gets dirty and I have not had it damage anything yet. 73 de John, WB4GLJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Printing Quickstart Guide
For some reason my computer is choking on printing the first page of the Quickstart Guide (the K3 pictorials). Anyone else having this problem? Maybe I don't have the right version of Adobe Reader? As an aside, I snagged Vic, K2VCO, last night on his beta K3 on 40 meters. Sure sounded good! I also heard him tell the station he worked before me that all the beta testers had received assembled units (so the staff could practice assembly), but that one beta tester had disassembled and then reassembled his beta K3. Why? Because he was apparently going to be involved in the manual preparation! Makes sense. I'm guessing I know who that might be too, although Vic didn't identify the person. Isn't Ron, AC7AC, the one who does a lot of that??? Dave W7AQK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K2.100.ssb.at sn 6194
Everytime I look at the Elecraft site, I am impressed by the lineup. From KX1 up through K3. Great! I am hooked and a new believer. Now to start buying! 73 all, Mr. Carey Magee K2RNY Rochester, NY Grid: FN13ef Quoting Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's something beautiful here. Jim is really enjoying his rig yet doesn't have all the options. SSB and 100 watts with an antenna tuner. No DSP, no Audio Filter, no 160 module, etc. Yes, Virginia, the bare-bones K2 is a great rig. Standing in the looming shadow of the K3, the K2 remains one absolutely fantastic rig. I can't think of a better rig have to endure while you wait for you chance to own a K3! 73 all! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - -Original Message- I am having a fantastic time operating with my newly completed K2/KPA100/KAT100! Jim Stoneback, K4AXF K2.ssb.100.AT sn 6194 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Keeping Paddles In Place
My solution to keeping paddles in place is even easier. Don't touch them. My paddles don't move a mm, ever. They sit there, neatly packed away in their box waiting for the day I return to machine generated CW. In the interim, I have my 2 straight keys and the bug hooked up to the rig. Oh, and I keep the bug in place by using some of that thin rubbery shelf liner stuff. Got it from Morse Express when I ordered a key. 73 All! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Printing Quickstart Guide
At 07:48 09/20/2007, Dave Yarnes wrote: As an aside, I snagged Vic, K2VCO, last night on his beta K3 on 40 meters. Sure sounded good! I also heard him tell the station he worked before me that all the beta testers had received assembled units (so the staff could practice assembly), but that one beta tester had disassembled and then reassembled his beta K3. Why? Because he was apparently going to be involved in the manual preparation! Makes sense. I'm guessing I know who that might be too, although Vic didn't identify the person. Isn't Ron, AC7AC, the one who does a lot of that??? Yep.. Ron did it so he could write the manual. I'm not certain he has his K3 COMPLETELY back together yet...heheh! I also took my K3 down to the nuts 'n screw level... well... someone (me) had to Field Test the Assembly Manual...!!! Actually, the 'teardown' took 50 minutes, and the reassembly took about 3 to 3-1/2 hours. BUT, for new 'assemblers' plan on 5-6 hours... taking the rig 'down' gave me a LOT of pre-assembly knowledge that you'll not have the benefit of when you do a from the ground up build of your K3 kit. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Hex-Key vs Kent paddle?
Throughout this whole paddle discussion, I haven't heard anybody mention the Kent paddle from UK. Is anyone besides me using this paddle (or used it and went away from it)? Opinions pro/con? Bill / W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beta tester reports
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:30:23AM +0100, Julian G4ILO wrote: That's with the 100W PA, presumably? I wonder what the 10W version will be like? Having to stand a brick on top of it will kind of spoil the appearance. As it turns out - the 100W PA is hardly a significant difference in the weight of the radio. Unlike the K2 where the heatsink is pretty heavy. This heatsink is much lighter and contained inside the radio. Having two fans blowing air on it make up the difference (and I never hear them). Tree ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] WA3WSJ: K3 sounds wonderful - if I only had one!
Hello all, Still reading reports about the K3s. Sounds like it will be worth the wait. 72, Ed, WA3WSJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hex-Key vs Kent paddle?
I have both a Kent TP-1 and a Begali Simplex. I use both, but if I had to choose only one, I'd choose the Begali. I do like and use the Kent from time to time, though. 73! Dan KB6NU -- CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator Read my ham radio blog at www.kb6nu.com LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO! On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Bill W5WVO wrote: Throughout this whole paddle discussion, I haven't heard anybody mention the Kent paddle from UK. Is anyone besides me using this paddle (or used it and went away from it)? Opinions pro/con? Bill / W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hex-Key vs Kent paddle?
I've never used the Hex-key. I've owned several Bencher BY paddles and liked them. Or I did, until I got my Kent. I love the Kent paddle. It is a much nicer machine to operate than the BYs.The BY paddles have a bit of give to them, a bit of flex. They do work FB but only if you don't compare them to better stuff. The Kent is very solid. The move smoothly and have a positive closure. No spongy feel, no give, just solid. Also, the Kent paddles are individually adjustable for spacing and spring force. The adjustments are easy to make and stay set so I'm not fiddling with it all the time. My only concern is the vertical bearings which are exposed to the air dust. I keep the paddles covered to keep them clean and running smoothly. I got my Kent paddles off e-bay for about $80. Looking back, I got a good deal. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO Throughout this whole paddle discussion, I haven't heard anybody mention the Kent paddle from UK. Is anyone besides me using this paddle (or used it and went away from it)? Opinions pro/con? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Beta tester reports
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:21:19AM -0500, Tom Hammond wrote: Additionally, Wayne (and Elecraft) have obtained back feet for the K3 which are more 'tactile' and which should add a significant amount of 'grip' for those of us who are a bit more 'enthusiastic' in our button pressing... G This probably explains the difference in our CW Sprint scores. :-) One of my other problems is that the front of the radio sits on top of my keyboard, so really only two feet have contact with something. Getting some of that sticky stuff used in mobile homes and putting it on my keyboard will really help. Tree ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Finger Dimple
Hi All I My finger Dimple on the k2 come off on me during field day and the little double sided adhesive strip folded up. So. How can I Get that off without tearing up or defacing the knob? And where can I locate the double side stuff that was used to begin with. I do not wish to super Glue it back on. Any suggestions. Also I was thinking of machining the knob to recess the finger dimple. Has anyone out there did that? I am not sure how solid the knob is or if has a hollow core. Thanks David KR4OW K24320 Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3 auto tune
I'm fairly sure you can set the tuner to BYPASS for one antenna and have it operational for the other. But I'm at work right now and cannot verify. If nobody else responds to this (it's more than likely they will), I will verify this evening and post the results. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Thu Sep 20 4:59 , David Ferrington, M0XDF sent: I want that functionality too - have an SG237 outside the shack for a long wire and the Coax comes in to the rig - keep the RF out the shack. On 20/9/07 09:25, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: One K3 question I'm interested in knowing the answer to: will it be possible to assign different KAT3 behaviour to the two antenna positions so that the KAT3 tunes automatically when you hit TUNE in one position, but only transmits a carrier and displays the SWR in the other? I'm thinking of the situation where one antenna has a remote auto tuner or needs to be manually tuned. With the K2 you have to toggle ANT A/B and then go into the menu and switch the tuner between Auto and Cal S, which makes quick switching between antennas impossible. -- Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his neighbour's son. The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke like a thief. But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and the next time he saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked and spoke like any other child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Here is a sound sample from the K3. It is best listened to in Stereo. This took place on 160 meters about 20 minutes ago. I am still walking on air. http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/3b7cQSO.mp3 There is normally an electric fence in the direction I was listening to, but notice you can't hear it. :-) 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 filter bandwidth versus real bandwidth...
Steve, The numbers displayed for the filter width are not necessarily the actual width of the filter. The actual bandwidth depends on the particular combination of crystals and varactors in your K2. Use Spectrogram to measure the actual width of your filter if you wish to have a precise bandwidth. 73, Don W3FPR Steve Kallal wrote: I've set up my K2 with the following bandwidths for the RTTY mode: FL1OP1 FL21000 Hz FL3500 Hz FL4250 Hz I am listening to an Olivia signal (a digital mode) with a 500 Hz bandwidth. I would expect FL3 at 500 Hz to pass the whole signal. Instead I have to select FL2 at 1000 Hz bandwidth. Looking at the waterfall for the Olivia signal, I get about 750 Hz passed rather than 1000 Hz. If I want to pass a 500 Hz signal, what bandwidth should I select in the filter calibration? I guess the selected bandwidth isn't measured at 6 db down, or is it? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hex-Key vs Kent paddle?
I have and use Kent single lever and dual lever off and on. I like both very much but prefer the Begali simplex mono the best. The thing about the Hex key, for me, is the long finger pieces...a long way from the pivot point which makes for excessive swing distance. The Kent dual lever paddle with short arms makes for a better high speed paddle. imho de Joe, aa4nn the Kent paddle from UK. Is anyone besides me using this paddle (or used it and went away from it)? Opinions pro/con? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
OK, here's what I hear. A very quiet band, very little noise. A weak nearly subliminal signal. A rough sounding sidetone (hum on the sidetone). Tree, I can copy you just fine, but the 3B7C station I'm catching only a fragment of a letter here and there. I'll assume the rough sound was an issue with your recording setup (RF into the sound card?) or something and is not indicative of the K3's sidetone. How was this recorded? Oh, BTW, congrats on working him on 160 meters!!! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tree Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:24 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio Here is a sound sample from the K3. It is best listened to in Stereo. This took place on 160 meters about 20 minutes ago. I am still walking on air. http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/3b7cQSO.mp3 There is normally an electric fence in the direction I was listening to, but notice you can't hear it. :-) 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Finger Dimple
David, Not sure about some of it, but WD-40 does loosen many adhesives and will probably work on that one. Also, most adhesives of this type can be removed by rubbing them off just using your finger. As to the rest, I have no clue! Regards, kurtt Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC The Pinrod Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (773) 284-9500 http://pinrod.com David N. wrote: Hi All I My finger Dimple on the k2 come off on me during field day and the little double sided adhesive strip folded up. So. How can I Get that off without tearing up or defacing the knob? And where can I locate the double side stuff that was used to begin with. I do not wish to super Glue it back on. Any suggestions. Also I was thinking of machining the knob to recess the finger dimple. Has anyone out there did that? I am not sure how solid the knob is or if has a hollow core. Thanks David KR4OW K24320 Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Blocked mail
For some reason the last three messages I have sent to the Reflector have been blocked by my server (smtp.orange.co.uk) This is merely a test. Any ideas? -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:54:38AM -0700, Darwin, Keith wrote: A very quiet band, very little noise. Using a beverage to the SouthWest - and yes - the band was quiet, but part of this is the context filter in the K3. It really helps. A weak nearly subliminal signal. Yup - that's him. I can clearly hear him sending TR? once and then N6TA but suspect the dit was lost in the rapid QSB. A rough sounding sidetone (hum on the sidetone). Tree, I can copy you just fine, but the 3B7C station I'm catching only a fragment of a letter here and there. I'll assume the rough sound was an issue with your recording setup (RF into the sound card?) or something and is not indicative of the K3's sidetone. That's RF getting into my audio equipment - this was recorded using a computer's sound card and I have some RF issues. What I hear in the headphones has none of that. Here is what the sidetone really sounds like (using the handy TX TEST feature of the K3 that disables output, but lets you oterwise transmit): http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/Sidetone.mp3 Oh, BTW, congrats on working him on 160 meters!!! THANKS!! Last night, I worked a dozen Europeans as well - so this band is in fine shape very early in the season. 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Darwin, Keith wrote: OK, here's what I hear. A very quiet band, very little noise. A weak nearly subliminal signal. A rough sounding sidetone (hum on the sidetone). I'm glad you posted the aboveI listened twice and was going to call the audiologist for a hearning test. Butthere was no fence post noise that I could hear. Tree's ability to copy what we can't hear is a testament to wetware. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
I'd check his logbook for N6TA ;-) Thanks so much for the sample Tree, very sweet. And that was really 160 meters? whoa. ! [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio Darwin, Keith Keith.Darwin at goo.com Thu Sep 20 10:54:38 EDT 2007 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio OK, here's what I hear. A very quiet band, very little noise. A weak nearly subliminal signal. A rough sounding sidetone (hum on the sidetone). Tree, I can copy you just fine, but the 3B7C station I'm catching only a fragment of a letter here and there. I'll assume the rough sound was an issue with your recording setup (RF into the sound card?) or something and is not indicative of the K3's sidetone. How was this recorded? Oh, BTW, congrats on working him on 160 meters!!! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Tree, I'm a little unsure of what I was hearing (except your call!). Maybe it's just me (or my ears or the stereo! hi hi!), but I can just barely make out that there is another station. Regarding the noise: Would it be possible to do an A/B test (with/without noise)? I think that would showcase the K3 filters more effectively. Regards, kurtt Kurt Pawlikowski, WB9FMC The Pinrod Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (773) 284-9500 http://pinrod.com Tree wrote: Here is a sound sample from the K3. It is best listened to in Stereo. This took place on 160 meters about 20 minutes ago. I am still walking on air. http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/3b7cQSO.mp3 There is normally an electric fence in the direction I was listening to, but notice you can't hear it. :-) 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Tree, I'm a little unsure of what I was hearing (except your call!). I hear deep fading on the band, Tree calls, then TR? from the other side then Tree calling through a deep fade and into a peak where the other station carries the peak with N6TA, then a bunch of Tree sending his call. Assuming the band peaked again at some time on the other side and it got logged right, but didn't hear a confirm... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] smaller?
smaller is also better for RF, surface mount resistors and caps are much more consistent to manufacture and better for RF due to almost eliminated stray effects. Also with cheaper comes more accurate, almost all surface mount resistors are 1% and they are cheaper than the 5% ones. Matt KD8DAO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] smaller? [END of Thread]
Guys - Looking at my list email load this morning I can see we are at the overload stage. Please limit threads like this one and resist the urge to post a reply or opinion on everything. Let's try to focus discussion on Elecraft and Ham Radio related items for the most part for now. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator Charles Harpole wrote: All respondents really gave me only one answer... cheaper... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - straight key and bug
If I missed a post or so, forgive the duplication. Can any of the folks who have a K3 make some comments about using a straight key and/or bug? Is it menu controlled? Do we need diodes as with the K2? thanks 73-k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 - Sweet sidetone!
Oooo, yes, that does sound better. I played it several times just because it sounded so good! The sidetone does indeed sound better than the K2's sidetone. Thanks! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - -Original Message- Here is what the sidetone really sounds like (using the handy TX TEST feature of the K3 that disables output, but lets you oterwise transmit): http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/Sidetone.mp3 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] OT: CW reader analogy to watching TV/listening to radio
Hello sports fans! Recently, I made an analogy between the cw reader and watching the Yankees on TV but listening to the announcer(s) via radio. http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-September/073714.html I received so many private replies about I do that too that I decided to reply here to simply ack' all your replies and to express my appreciation for your email. THANKS! I never would have guessed that this is so popular My 85-year old dad has his own special version of this. He hates the announcers so much, in any medium, that he mutes the sound and just watches the video. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3 auto tune
I'm fairly sure you can set the tuner to BYPASS for one antenna and have it operational for the other. But I'm at work right now and cannot verify. If nobody else responds to this (it's more than likely they will), I will verify this evening and post the results. The current firmware version makes ATU AUTO/BYPASS the same for both ANT1 and ANT2, but it could certainly be made sticky to each one. When you get home this evening you could add it to The List. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Finger Dimple
You can get sticky tape removal solvent at a good office supply store. Little bottle that takes the sticky stuff right off. Then, I would use a blob of hot glue, which is not permanent to stick it back on. Lee Buller - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Tree - K3 on 160 with the 3B7C station
Tree, How did the K3 perform on 160did you get the 3B7C station? Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] XV50: Building my first XV
Hi, JT. You'll find building the XV50 a snap after building the K2. It's a much simpler piece of equipment, of course, and most of the circuitry is laid out on one spacious pc board. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Are the Elecraft XV's any more difficult to build than a K2? To my surprise and limited skills, I was able to build my K2 along with several options successfully with only minor difficulties. My soldering job isn't the cleanest in the world but the rig works as spec'd. However, with that said, I could see my soldering improving as I progressed from stage to stage. My biggest problem is feeding too much solder into the joint. I think I need to switch to a smaller diameter solder. I'd like to procure an XV50 around the first week of October. However, this will be cutting it close time wise for it's intended purpose; the 50MHz Sprint on October 20th. However, this shouldn't be much of a problem as I am currently disabled and have more time than I know what to do with lately. Thanks for any feedback. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - straight key and bug
Can any of the folks who have a K3 make some comments about using a straight key and/or bug? Is it menu controlled? Do we need diodes as with the K2? There are separate PADDLE and KEY jacks. No menus or diodes involved. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] solution to sliding paddles
You can buy the stuff in places like Halfords, where it is sold as a tool drawer liner. Hope that helps 73 Stephen G4SJP On 20/9/07 10:09, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone in the UK know where this stuff can be bought over here? Seems to me, you guys in the US have lots of good stuff just sitting around on shelves crying out to be purchased - over here, we have to search for it - rather like a trek up the Amazon to find a rare species! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] solution to sliding paddles
Anyone in the UK know where this stuff can be bought over here? Amazon.com sells it: http://www.amazon.com/Griptex-Wonderliner-240-Inch-Standard-White/dp/B000H7VGTK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-3444193-2826424?ie=UTF8s=home-gardenqid=1190309731sr=8-1 (sorry 'bout the long URL) ... chances are that should give you enough detail to get it there, perhaps from the UK amazon. 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - straight key and bug
The K3 has TWO inputs. One for paddles and the other for a straight key or computer/keyer input. No diodes or mods necessary :) They're both active at the same time, so you do not have to change anything in the menu to go from one to another. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Thu Sep 20 12:22 , Thom LaCosta sent: If I missed a post or so, forgive the duplication. Can any of the folks who have a K3 make some comments about using a straight key and/or bug? Is it menu controlled? Do we need diodes as with the K2? thanks 73-k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - straight key and bug
Hi Thom: The K3 offers SEPARATE INPUTS for a PADDLE and another (external) keying device, be it straight key, bug, K1EL WinKey, parallel/serial port keying adapter, whatever you wish to use. There is NO NEED for a menu change since both inputs are directly available on the back of the K3. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 11:22 09/20/2007, Thom LaCosta wrote: If I missed a post or so, forgive the duplication. Can any of the folks who have a K3 make some comments about using a straight key and/or bug? Is it menu controlled? Do we need diodes as with the K2? thanks 73-k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] XV: Coax for interfacing
Well, I took the plunge and bought an unopened XV50 kit along with a K60XV from a user on this reflector. Thanks to all who replied to my previous post. Now, regarding the coax interconnects between the K60XV and XV units. Can I use mini-coax such as RG-316 for these low power interconnects or should I go with something beefier because of the higher frequencies involved especially when I go to add 222 or 432? I'm merely asking because I already have a fair amount of RG-316 on hand including the appropriate BNC connectors. However, I have no problem paying for the right stuff if it is an issue. The XV50, and future XV's will always be located right next to, or under, the K2. Thanks -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Sep 22 - Oct 22, 2007
~ N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR September 22 - October 22, 2007 ~ Scandinavian Activity Contest (SSB) ... QRP Category Sep 22, 1200z to Sep 23, 1200z Rules: http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/sacnsc.htm ~ AGCW VHF/UHF CW Contest ... QRP Category Sep 22, 1600z to 2100z Rules: http://www.agcw.org/agcw-con/2007/Englisch/agcw-dl0_e.htm ~ SKCC Weekend Sprint (Straight Key CW) ... QRP Category Sep 23, z to 2400z Rules: http://www.iglou.com/sonic//skcc/wknd-sprint-rules.html ~ Fall QRP Homebrewer Sprint (CW/PSK31) ***QRP CONTEST*** Sep 24, z to 0400z Rules: http://www.njqrp.org/data/qrphomebrewersprint.html ~ CQWW RTTY DX Contest ... 150w Category Sep 29, z to Sep 30, 2400z Rules: http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/awards.html ~ Texas QSO Party (All) ... QRP Category Sep 29, 1400z to Sep 30, 0200z Sep 30, 1400z to Sep 30, 2000z Rules: http://www.txqp.org/ ~ TOEC WW Grid Contest (CW) ... QRP Category Sep 29, 1200z to Sep 30, 1200z Rules: http://www.sk3bg.se/contest/toecwwgc.htm ~ FISTS Coast to Coast Contest ... QRP Category Sep 29, 1800z to Sep 30, 1800z Rules: http://www.tomochka.com/k7fff/fnw_c2c06.html ~ MQRD Monthly Sprint (CW/PH/Digital) *** QRP Contest *** Sep 29, 1800z to 2200z Rules: http://w2agn.net/mqfdsprint.html ~ Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) *** QRP CONTEST! *** Oct 2, 0100z to 0300z (First Monday 9 PM EDT) Rules: http://www.arsqrp.com/ ~ German Telegraphy Contest (CW) ... QRP Category Oct 3, 0700z to 0959z Rules: http://www.agcw.org/agcw-con/2007/Englisch/dtc_e.htm ~ PRO CW Contest ... QRP Category Oct 6, 1600z to 1800z and Oct 7, 0600z to 0800z Rules: http://www.procwclub.yo6ex.ro/contesrules.htm ~ TARA PSK31 Rumble (PSK31 only) ... QRP Category Oct 6, z to 2400z Rules: http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_seasons.html ~ EU SPRINT CONTEST (SSB) ... 100W category Oct 6, 1600z to 1959z Rules: http://www.eusprint.com/ ~ California QSO Party (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category Oct 6, 1600z to Oct 7, 2159z Rules: http://www.cqp.org/ ~ RSGB 21/28 MHz Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category Oct 7, 0700z to 1900z Rules: http://www.contesting.co.uk/hfcc/rules/r2128.shtml ~ SKCC Sprint (Straight Key CW) ... QRP Awards Oct 10, z to 0200z Rules: http://skccgroup.com/sprint/sprint-rules.htm ~ 10-10 Day Sprint (All) ... QRP Category Oct 10, z to 2359z Rules: http://www.ten-ten.org/rules.html ~ NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest *** EDT: Oct 9, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM UTC: Oct 10, 0030Z to 0230Z Rules: http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel/contests.html ~ Worked All Britain HF Contest (Phone) ...QRP Category Oct 13, 1200z to Oct 14, 1200z Rules: http://wab.intermip.net/Contest%20Rules.php ~ Pennsylvania QSO Party (CW/SSB/Digital) ... QRP Category Oct 13, 1600z to Oct 14, 0500z Oct 14, 1300z to Oct 14, 2200z Rules: http://www.nittany-arc.net/paqso.html ~ EU SPRINT CONTEST (CW) ... 100W category Oct 13, 1600z to 1959z Rules: http://www.eusprint.com/ ~ FISTS Fall Sprint (CW) ... QRP Category Oct 13, 1700z to 2100z Rules: http://www.fists.org/sprints.html ~ North American Sprint (RTTY) ... QRP Category Oct 14, Z to 0400Z Rules: http://www.ncjweb.com/sprintrules.php ~ QRP ARCI Fall QSO Party (CW) *** QRP Contest *** Oct 20, 1200z to Oct 21, 2400z Rules: http://www.qrparci.org ~ Worked All Germany Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category Oct 20, 1500z to Oct 21, 1459z Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/xedcgr.htm [third
RE: [Elecraft] Printing Quickstart Guide
Actually, K3 S/N 10 has been to bits and back about 20 times, at least, so far and it's in bits again as I check changes and test alternatives that make assembly easier. I've been itching as much as anyone to put it on the air, but that'll wait until my work is done and the folks with orders pending have their rigs in hand. Tom's assembly time estimate looks good, depending upon the options purchased. The options are integrated into the main build sequence as far as possible so you don't have to go back and open up the rig to add something you bought with the original kit. But even adding options later is pretty simple. Most of them just plug into the main RF board that fills the bottom of the K3 enclosure and, when needed, the nifty Elecraft 2D fastener system lets you pull a side panel or other cover off easily to get access to part of the rig without pulling the whole thing to bits. As others have noted, the front panel looks the most intimidating but it's really a pussycat. The front panel, with the LCD display and all the switch matrices pre-installed, mounts to the sheet metal front. then the DSP boards mount on the back of the front panel board and the whole package plugs into the main chassis. Anyone who finds something in the procedure confusing is welcome to gripe to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or just grumble publicly here. The main reason I watch the reflector is to pick up points where builders have questions about the projects I've been involved with so we can think about how the manual might make it more straightforward. When you ask questions on the reflector I answer them on the reflector where everyone can see them. I've found that no one has a unique question. There's always someone else who is looking for the answer too, but who hasn't asked yet. Several list members like Tom, N0SS, Dave Ferrington, M0XDF, Gary Hvizdak and others have taken the time to read and comment on the preliminary manuals. Tom did a trial build, tearing his K3 to bits then rebuilding it, and Dave has kept a close eye on my work to make sure my Yank English is intelligible to folks in the U.K. And, of course, Wayne is managing the overall documentation effort and writes most of the Operating instructions. The Quickstart is pure Wayne, based on initial reactions to his K3 Owner's Manual. I'm always grateful for comments and suggestions. Wayne set very high standards with the original K2 assembly manual. He and I have been working for years to keep raising that standard so more people are comfortable building their rigs. After all, the company does promote Hands on Ham Radio and they take seriously their promise We want to make sure everyone succeeds! Ron AC7AC -Original Message- At 07:48 09/20/2007, Dave Yarnes wrote: As an aside, I snagged Vic, K2VCO, last night on his beta K3 on 40 meters. Sure sounded good! I also heard him tell the station he worked before me that all the beta testers had received assembled units (so the staff could practice assembly), but that one beta tester had disassembled and then reassembled his beta K3. Why? Because he was apparently going to be involved in the manual preparation! Makes sense. I'm guessing I know who that might be too, although Vic didn't identify the person. Isn't Ron, AC7AC, the one who does a lot of that??? Yep.. Ron did it so he could write the manual. I'm not certain he has his K3 COMPLETELY back together yet...heheh! I also took my K3 down to the nuts 'n screw level... well... someone (me) had to Field Test the Assembly Manual...!!! Actually, the 'teardown' took 50 minutes, and the reassembly took about 3 to 3-1/2 hours. BUT, for new 'assemblers' plan on 5-6 hours... taking the rig 'down' gave me a LOT of pre-assembly knowledge that you'll not have the benefit of when you do a from the ground up build of your K3 kit. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] XV: Coax for interfacing
The signals between the XV and your K2 are all below 30 MHz, no matter which transverter you are using. The K2 feeds 10 meter RF to the XV which then up-converts it to 50, 144, 222 or 432 MHz (depending upon the transverter), and then the incoming RF from the antenna is down-converted in the transverter to 10 meters and sent to the K2. So anything that's reasonable for short runs between the XV and K2 on 10 meters is fine. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Well, I took the plunge and bought an unopened XV50 kit along with a K60XV from a user on this reflector. Thanks to all who replied to my previous post. Now, regarding the coax interconnects between the K60XV and XV units. Can I use mini-coax such as RG-316 for these low power interconnects or should I go with something beefier because of the higher frequencies involved especially when I go to add 222 or 432? I'm merely asking because I already have a fair amount of RG-316 on hand including the appropriate BNC connectors. However, I have no problem paying for the right stuff if it is an issue. The XV50, and future XV's will always be located right next to, or under, the K2. Thanks -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] XV: Coax for interfacing
On 9/20/07, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The signals between the XV and your K2 are all below 30 MHz, no matter which transverter you are using. Ya know, I'm an idiot. I just realized that after posting. I feel real stupid now. Heh. Thanks Ron. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - More please? !
While we all wait for K3, those of you that have them and have access to a files server, can we hear a few more recordings of the K3 in QSO? Cw is preferred but would be appreciate any examples... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
Here are transmit composite phase noise numbers from the Lab for the K3. Needless to say, we are pleased with the results. :-) I've also included some numbers from the ARRL reviews for several late model rigs. Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 IC7800 -103 -112 -130 -138 -140 -140 -140 FT2000 -102 -105 -128 -129 -128 -128 -128 ORION 2 -121 -129 -126 -125 -118 -128 -138 OMNI 7 -102 -103 -120 -123 -127 -129 -126 Note: All of the above data reflect the ARRL's latest phase noise lab test set up. The K3 was tested on an identical set up which has been correlated with the ARRL's. The ARRL changed to this more accurate phase noise test set up with the IC7000 Review in May of 2006. (See the sidebar in the IC-7000 review, on pg 71, for details covering this change.) Phase noise results from reviews prior to May 2006 were off by 7.5 dB (too optimistic). When comparing new phase noise results to the old ones, move upward on the chart 7.5 dB from the old number. (i.e. For an old phase noise number of -110 dB, the corrected value is 110-7.5 = -102.5 dB.) The new phase noise plots are easy to spot as they extend to 1 MHz, versus the 22 kHz limit of the old ones. All of the above data are from the new test method. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Alexandr Kobranov wrote: Hello all, I am looking for any relevant info about phase noise of K3 - is there any plot or table with any numbers? If I missed something somewhere please let me know by individual e-mails and sorry for bandwidth. 73! es GL Lexa, OK1DST ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - straight key and bug
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Tom Hammond wrote: Hi Thom: The K3 offers SEPARATE INPUTS for a PADDLE and another (external) keying device, Thanksand thanks too to all the folks who replied here and direct. Now, I'm off hunting a sideswiperI guess I can have one fabricated After that, it'll be a foot-swipersince I am Mr. QLF 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Here are transmit composite phase noise numbers from the Lab for the K3. Needless to say, we are pleased with the results. :-) I've also included some numbers from the ARRL reviews for several late model rigs. Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 IC7800 -103 -112 -130 -138 -140 -140 -140 FT2000 -102 -105 -128 -129 -128 -128 -128 ORION 2 -121 -129 -126 -125 -118 -128 -138 OMNI 7 -102 -103 -120 -123 -127 -129 -126 Great stuff Eric! Where would the K2 fit in here? Ian -- Ian J Maude G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member of RSGB, ARRL, GQRP K2 #4044 | K3 #? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] XV: Coax for interfacing
Also, keep in mind that the level is only 0dBm .. it doesn't take much of a problem to make that 0dBm go away :) Make sure you use good quality BNC connectors, especially when you start daisy-chaining XVs (speaking from heavily-vibrating rover experience) de w1rt/john On 9/20/07, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/20/07, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The signals between the XV and your K2 are all below 30 MHz, no matter which transverter you are using. Ya know, I'm an idiot. I just realized that after posting. I feel real stupid now. Heh. Thanks Ron. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Tree What were your filter settings? Sounds like a couple of hundred hertz. I give 599 in contests just as an acknowledgement of reception, as I would call it. Do dx stations prefer real reports or is 599 adequate? On the rare occasions I have been dx, I preferred real reports, but it's a matter of personal preference I guess. David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio Here is a sound sample from the K3. It is best listened to in Stereo. This took place on 160 meters about 20 minutes ago. I am still walking on air. http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/3b7cQSO.mp3 There is normally an electric fence in the direction I was listening to, but notice you can't hear it. :-) 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re:[Elecraft]solution to sliding paddles
Non-skid material is sure available in most caravaning and camping-car related shops. I have used it in my car for some years. Handy and cheap. Benny OH9NB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - straight key and bug
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: Oops - I err'ed about the connector types. Both are 1/4 phone plugs, stereo for the paddle. 1/4 inch...man, that means I have to find the pre-computer junk box. As much as I love my old Drakes...I'm glad Aptos didn't go the skinny military plug version. Time to haunt Goodwill and the other poverty sales outletsmost likely I can find some old klunky headphones with that type of connector..AND the coiled cord -- In days of old, when ops were bold, and sidebands not invented, The word would pass, by pounding brass, and all were well contented. Most likely they had two nostrils and thus were not horn-swoggled by the Disney Audio Spirits. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Tree wrote: Here is a sound sample from the K3. It is best listened to in Stereo. This took place on 160 meters about 20 minutes ago. I am still walking on air. http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/3b7cQSO.mp3 Well, I listened to it several times and it sure does sound like he came back to someone whose call ended in UA or TA. I couldn't tell at the end if he corrected it. But I'm sure he was hearing you, by the timing. Guess you'll know when the online log gets updated! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:28:31PM +0100, David Cutter wrote: What were your filter settings? Sounds like a couple of hundred hertz. So - the filter I was using is something like this: 150 hertz in the center of the passband. This has a rather sharp cutout, but only goes down something like 10 or 15 db to the second filter. The second filter is wider - 400 hz. Which matches the roofing filter. This is the context filter I keep talking about. It really seems to help my ears cut down on the noise - but still leaving some of the energy outside the passband which I believe is useful in weak signal work (ask a moonbouncer what filter they prefer to use - and most of them will tell you an SSB filter). Also - if you are listening in stereo - your are experiencing one of the audio effects that have been programmed into the DSP. It is delaying the sound in one ear slightly to the other ear - and to my ear, this makes copying signals easier. This feature is going to be improved with some fancy work to spread the frequencies across the stereo spectrum (binaural audio) - and of course, if you get the second RX board, you can use it for diversity reception which will really help get those missing dits at the end of your callsign as the signal experiences QSB. :-) I give 599 in contests just as an acknowledgement of reception, as I would call it. Do dx stations prefer real reports or is 599 adequate? On the rare occasions I have been dx, I preferred real reports, but it's a matter of personal preference I guess. Ah - I knew this would get asked as some point. DX-pedition stations prefer a 599 report as they don't have to do anything to change the entry in their computer. They get tired after many hours of operating field day style and anything to conserve energy is a good thing. This includes only sending 599 so they don't expend the mental energy of computing a signal report and trying to get it logged correctly. I am sure there are those on this list who feel this is not what Hiram had in mind - but it is the way the game is played, for better or worse. The point of this recording wasn't to provide a spark for a debate about DX-pedition operating technique - but rather to give a sample of what the K3 sounds like. I'll try to post some more sound files from an upcoming European opening on 160 for y'all. 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 01:20:11PM -0700, Vic K2VCO wrote: Tree wrote: Here is a sound sample from the K3. It is best listened to in Stereo. This took place on 160 meters about 20 minutes ago. I am still walking on air. http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/3b7cQSO.mp3 Well, I listened to it several times and it sure does sound like he came back to someone whose call ended in UA or TA. I couldn't tell at the end if he corrected it. But I'm sure he was hearing you, by the timing. Guess you'll know when the online log gets updated! Well - you have to realize that rapid QSB is the name of the game here. He had TR obviously at the start - and filled in the N6 part clearly. Another station who was listening to this QSO from a better vantage point said that he had my call right the whole time. There was no doubt he was working me (in my mind). I hope he logged the call correctly - I will see on the online log page. 73 Tree ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] do you know the way to San Ramon?
I'm going to be in Campbell, CA (near San Jose) and am interested in getting a ride to San Ramon on Friday morning of Pacificon. Is anyone headed up there from the San Jose area and would they be interested in picking up a fellow ham? Thanks. -john W4PAH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Printing Quickstart Guide
Hi Dave, I have the same problem. In my case, for shure, its due to a lack of memory in my 10 old LaserJet 6 printer. The first page needs a lot of memory. Raymond METZGER F4FNT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
This laptop has most every program known - but whatever the Rx Sound file is - Windows XP never heard of the file type, and will not allow it to be played here? Fred N3CSY Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 K3 and phase noise
From the chart on Rig Comparisons on the Elecraft page ( http://www.elecraft.com/specs/K2phz_arrl.jpg ) These numbers are approximations from the chart on Phase Noise for 2 to 22 Kcs. Rig 1kHz2 10 2050 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 K2-113 -127 -130 IC7800 -103 -112 -130 -138 -140 -140 -140 FT2000 -102 -105 -128 -129 -128 -128 -128 ORION 2 -121 -129 -126 -125 -118 -128 -138 OMNI 7 -102 -103-120 -123 -127 -129 -126 Note: To convert Kcs to KHz multiply times one. -- --- If God intended you to be on single sideband, he would have given you only one nostril. - Steve, K2PTS (SK) --- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
On 9/20/07, Fred (FL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This laptop has most every program known - but whatever the Rx Sound file is - Windows XP never heard of the file type, and will not allow it to be played here? Very odd Fred. It's in MP3 format which Windows Media Player should be able to play by default which it does for me. Hmm. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, JT Croteau wrote: On 9/20/07, Fred (FL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This laptop has most every program known - but whatever the Rx Sound file is - Windows XP never heard of the file type, and will not allow it to be played here? Very odd Fred. It's in MP3 format which Windows Media Player should be able to play by default which it does for me. Hmm. Unless something changed the file associationsone could go to the help section in windows and search for file associations. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Congrats Tree! I actually never heard him give your call correctly. Here's what I copied: !st response: N6TA 5NN N6TA BK Then your exchange 2nd response: (??? something ending in a dit)...CFM 3B7C I guess you have to assume the CFM means he got it OK but he actually never sent N6TR clearly that I heard. 73, Bill W4ZV P.S. It is not unusual at all for RF to get into recordings when you are running QRO. The purity of the sidetone sounds great...like my TS-930S (a major complaint I had about the FT-1000MP was its square wave sidetone). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Hex key v Kent paddle
Hi Bill, I've had my Kent twin paddle for a number of years and have been very pleased with it. I did try the Hex key and Begali at the Elecraft booth at Dayton a couple of years ago and found them both very good too, I'd like to have either of them. The Kent paddle, as previously mentioned has a more solid feel in use over the lighter touch of the other two. Down to personal preference at the end of the day. 73 Roger MW0IDX K3IDX K2 #2724 KX1 #416 K3 #200 Throughout this whole paddle discussion, I haven't heard anybody mention the Kent paddle from UK. Is anyone besides me using this paddle (or used it and went away from it)? Opinions pro/con? Bill / W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] XV: Coax for interfacing
Hey, thanks for asking a question I actually could answer! And, if it helps, that's a question that's been asked many times before... Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JT Croteau Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:02 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XV: Coax for interfacing On 9/20/07, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The signals between the XV and your K2 are all below 30 MHz, no matter which transverter you are using. Ya know, I'm an idiot. I just realized that after posting. I feel real stupid now. Heh. Thanks Ron. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
Didn't really want to add to the postings but wanted to agree with Bill's assessment. It will be interesting so see what the online log says and who the operator was.G3SED or GM3POI? Good stuff anyway, and so early in the season. Says a lot for the K3, so I guess I will be spending more time on 160m this winter!! I am really looking forward to checking out the noise blanker on my local QRM source, 400kV overhead power lines about 1.5km away. Chris G3SJJ Bill Tippett wrote: Congrats Tree! I actually never heard him give your call correctly. Here's what I copied: !st response: N6TA 5NN N6TA BK Then your exchange 2nd response: (??? something ending in a dit)...CFM 3B7C I guess you have to assume the CFM means he got it OK but he actually never sent N6TR clearly that I heard. 73, Bill W4ZV P.S. It is not unusual at all for RF to get into recordings when you are running QRO. The purity of the sidetone sounds great...like my TS-930S (a major complaint I had about the FT-1000MP was its square wave sidetone). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
WA6HHQ: Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 I'm now wondering how you measured 143 dBBDR at 2 kHz in the presence of 119 dB Phase Noise? Shouldn't the measurement have been phase noise limited? 73, Bill W4ZV May quote from this reflector: N6KR: But just to give you a hint: a couple of days ago Eric measured a blocking dynamic range of 143 dB, and it remained 143 dB at 20 kHz, 5 kHz, and 2 kHz. To put this into perspective, the K2, IC-7800, Orion II, and FTDX9000all have a blocking dynamic range of -133 to -135. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
I agree in contesting, perhaps the only exception I make is those one or two stations with T9 note, but when I have been a dxp station I wanted to know how my portable antennas fair, tho I must say I routinely give the callers 599. Yes, after several hours operating in the tropics at high temp and humidity, it gets somewhat tiring and automated responses help a lot. Thanks for info on the filter settings, I look forward to trying this. David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Cutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Audio On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:28:31PM +0100, David Cutter wrote: What were your filter settings? Sounds like a couple of hundred hertz. So - the filter I was using is something like this: 150 hertz in the center of the passband. This has a rather sharp cutout, but only goes down something like 10 or 15 db to the second filter. The second filter is wider - 400 hz. Which matches the roofing filter. This is the context filter I keep talking about. It really seems to help my ears cut down on the noise - but still leaving some of the energy outside the passband which I believe is useful in weak signal work (ask a moonbouncer what filter they prefer to use - and most of them will tell you an SSB filter). Also - if you are listening in stereo - your are experiencing one of the audio effects that have been programmed into the DSP. It is delaying the sound in one ear slightly to the other ear - and to my ear, this makes copying signals easier. This feature is going to be improved with some fancy work to spread the frequencies across the stereo spectrum (binaural audio) - and of course, if you get the second RX board, you can use it for diversity reception which will really help get those missing dits at the end of your callsign as the signal experiences QSB. :-) I give 599 in contests just as an acknowledgement of reception, as I would call it. Do dx stations prefer real reports or is 599 adequate? On the rare occasions I have been dx, I preferred real reports, but it's a matter of personal preference I guess. Ah - I knew this would get asked as some point. DX-pedition stations prefer a 599 report as they don't have to do anything to change the entry in their computer. They get tired after many hours of operating field day style and anything to conserve energy is a good thing. This includes only sending 599 so they don't expend the mental energy of computing a signal report and trying to get it logged correctly. I am sure there are those on this list who feel this is not what Hiram had in mind - but it is the way the game is played, for better or worse. The point of this recording wasn't to provide a spark for a debate about DX-pedition operating technique - but rather to give a sample of what the K3 sounds like. I'll try to post some more sound files from an upcoming European opening on 160 for y'all. 73 Tree N6TR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Pelican Case for K2/100 KAT100 - FS
I have a Pelican 1600 Orange Case for sale that has been designed for transporting the K2/100 KAT100 for portable use. This case is in excellent condition and I will include all of the pick-n-pluck foam that came with it. For description see: http://www.pelicanproducts.us/detailaspx96.html Price is $125 shipped conus. Pics available on request; please email direct. Mark W5EZY Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX Audio
I was able to get the Rx Sound file to work, via Microsoft's media player. K3 CW very readable, in not too quiet a band, and a very faint return CW came back - had much trouble reading it. I take it this was a K3 in QSO, and it was ok. At least this shows that a K3 exists somewhere out there! Waiting on my 2nd Prod order looking like later in Oct. Fred, de N3CSY Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
Hi Bill, The reference on-channel signal for past ARRL BDR testing has typically been set between -110 and -80 dBm, well above the MDS. te interfering signal generator is increased until this signal drops by a dB due to compression. This on frequency signal dominates the in-band RMS audio voltage. The noise floor needs to raise a lot before it dominates that signal. Also, even on the Orion, their BDR is well above their phase noise at any spacing. For the Orion II, the ARRL numbers are: 2kHz 20kHz Phase Noise-129 -125 BDR 136 136 Neither of their BDRs were noise limited. For the particular K3 I tested the phase noise on below, I measured a typical BDR of 140-141dB at spacings 5 kHz and wider and about 138dB at 2 kHz. On another note, as I mentioned in my email, the ARRL has refined a number of their test methods. They are now making the dynamic range measurements by measuring the on frequency IMD spur or blocked signal using a narrow band spectrum analyzer. This separates the blocking or IMD measurement from reciprocal mixing, which they will do as an additional test. See page 71 of the May 2006 QST for details. 73, Eric WA6HHQ - Bill Tippett wrote: WA6HHQ: Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 I'm now wondering how you measured 143 dB BDR at 2 kHz in the presence of 119 dB Phase Noise? Shouldn't the measurement have been phase noise limited? 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 quick-start file modified for accurate printing
We turned all of the drawings in the quick-start guide into JPEGs to eliminate problems with PICT file interpretation by Acrobat on different systems. Unfortunately this makes the file a lot larger (3 megabytes), but it should now look very good when printed. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 sn 6065 for sale
I have my K2 sn6065 (a nice number) for sale. It has the KAT2 built in it. The rig seems to work real well, has no scratches, original boxes, manuals, spare (extra) parts, and a rework eliminator kit (not installed). It was built by me, with no problems during or after the build. The price is $600.00 Brett N2DTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 phase noise BDR - how related?
Okay you techie gurus...please teach me How does the composite TRANSMITTED phase noise impact the RECEIVE BDR specs? I admit that over the decades I've frequently noted that the ARRL review cite that the rx spec is phase noise limited but I never thought that they meant XMIT phase noise. Help me learn! de Doug KR2Q Degreed in Biology and Hospital Administration, but a quick study! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
WA6HHQ: They are now making the dynamic range measurements by measuring the on frequency IMD spur or blocked signal using a narrow band spectrum analyzer. This separates the blocking or IMD measurement from reciprocal mixing, which they will do as an additional test. I suppose this means no ARRL measurements will ever again say noise limited, but I question how practical this is in the real world. In the latter, we want to know when any spurious signal will cover a weak signal at the noise floor...whether it's IMD, BDR or phase noise. I like the term G3SJX uses (he does RSGB's Radcom product reviews)...Spurious Free Dynamic Range (SFDR)...which encompasses all potential sources of spurious effects. I will note that the K3 may still have better overall phase noise than the other rigs listed if you integrate it over the potential bandwidth of phase noise interference. In a typical contest situation, you may have strong signals +/-25 kHz of your RX frequency. In this case, phase noise from a station 25 kHz away can still cause problems. For example, comparing to Orion: Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 ORION 2 -121 -129 -126 -125 -118 -128 -138 Delta-11 -10 +10 +15 +25 +26 +12 it is ~10 dB better at close spacings, but 10-25 dB worse at wider spacings (and over much greater BW than the K3). Assuming you had strong signals spaced every 1 kHz over +/-25 kHz (not unusual in a major CW contest), the K3's *integrated* phase noise effect could be less than Orion's. Also I'm sure the VHF guys will love the K3's numbers, since they are more interested in the wide-spaced phase noise effects. The other thing all of us need to remember about extremely close spaced measurements is that these are made with continuous carriers (i.e. no key clicks) from ultra-quiet sources (e.g. HP 8640Bs or quartz oscillators). In the real world, nearby signals will have much more noise from clicks and their own TX phase noise. This is why we are kidding ourselves if we think a 200-250 Hz roofing filter will actually help much more than a 500 Hz filter. Theoretically it might be better, but in the real world of key clicks and TX phase noise, that will far override any theoretical advantage of the narrower filter IMHO. Thanks for posting the data...maybe a little worse than I had hoped for at close spacings but as I think about it (e.g. above), it may actually yield a better overall result for integrated phase noise effects. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
I wrote: Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 ORION 2 -121 -129 -126 -125 -118 -128 -138 Delta-11 -10 +10 +15 +25 +26 +12 Make that +16 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 and phase noise
Bill Tippett wrote: The other thing all of us need to remember about extremely close spaced measurements is that these are made with continuous carriers (i.e. no key clicks) from ultra-quiet sources (e.g. HP 8640Bs or quartz oscillators). In the real world, nearby signals will have much more noise from clicks and their own TX phase noise. Bill, If you integrate total world-wide TX phase noise and clicks on 20 m now, then do it again after we've shipped our first two batches of K3s, one would hope to see a healthy decrease. This is left as an exercise for the reader :) 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and phase noise
And if you look at the actual phase noise plots the actual cross over point is right about 5 kHz. You are absolutely right about the importance of looking at the overall area 'under the curve' for phase noise as you move out across the band. The sum integrated total of the mixing of the phase noise with all off freq signals adds to the total noise floor in your RX on a busy band. This is especially important on bands like 40M at night on the east coast and Eu, where there are lots of -very- strong BC signals in addition to all the ham activity within 100 kHz to a MHz of your operating frequency. Add a busy contest and whammo! :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ - Bill Tippett wrote: I wrote: Rig 1kHz2 10 20 50 100 1M K3 -110 -119 -136 -140 -143 -144 -150 ORION 2 -121 -129 -126 -125 -118 -128 -138 Delta-11 -10 +10 +15 +25 +26 +12 Make that +16 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Sweet sidetone!
Here is what the sidetone really sounds like (using the handy TX TEST feature of the K3 that disables output, but lets you oterwise transmit): http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/Sidetone.mp3 It does sound good -- and different. It almost sounds like there's some kind of phase difference between right and left ears when using headphones. Is the K3 doing any kind of stereo processing to the sidetone signal to make it sounds so good (or different)? I had to admit, I didn't even copy the call sign in the .mp3 sample because I was so distracted by the different sounding sidetone. Not sure if that's a good thing. I'm just curious... is it a deliberate design decision or just some side effect of converting it to the .mp3 file or what? .. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Fwd: K3 and phase noise
On 9/21/07, wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you integrate total world-wide TX phase noise and clicks on 20 m now, then do it again after we've shipped our first two batches of K3s, one would hope to see a healthy decrease. Not to worry...I'm going to set up a company to sell phase noise offsets to non-K3 users. :-) 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
