date:20030723

On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 11:01 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 6:05 pm, JoeHill wrote:
   and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not
   a crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter me! LOL!
 
  Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post
  next.
 
  I've just come back from Russia.  You should hear what the people
  there think about communism.
 
  Anne

 I was raised and live in Appalachian Ohio, and have only *not*
 lived in Appalachia for probably 3 years of my life. For those of
 you not from here, it's an area characterized by
 underdevelopment, the result of years of (and continuing)
 internal colonialism.

 Anne, come on over here and you'll see that our system ain't
 exactly all that hot, either. Somebody from a city could probably
 show you the same poverty and despair there as well.

 Todd

I can well believe it.  I don't think anyone has come up with a 
perfect system.  My own solution is to put all politicians in a room 
and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up 
like weeds g

Anne

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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...

On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 11:12 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
 Harv Nelson wrote:
  or should we have the right to own what we create just like
  a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc...
 
  Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person
  to reap the greatest benefit from his creativity/creation. 
  Rather, the distributor of the creative work usually reaps an
  undue reward ... RIAA, auction houses, theaters, movie producers,
  publishers, etc., are examples.
 
  I could never understand why recording artists did NOT
  immediately latch on to some nickle-a-pop revision napster,
  etc. and make it their own.

 Some did.

Perhaps once again the real problem is lack of publicity for the guys 
with less money

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Help me out

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 4:53 am, Lanman wrote:
 I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir
 Knight! Get a good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride!
snip
 So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to
 Gene!

Hello, Gene.  Ignore these spats that turn up from time to time.  
Filter out the threads that get out of hand.  Once you're away from 
them you'll find lots of info from other people's problems, and some 
pretty fast help when you post your own.  What's more, peeps are 
pretty forgiving when you panic and post a question that you probably 
could have sorted out if your mind hadn't been in a flat spin (I've 
done that, several times g).

Welcome.  Do you have a specific problem?

Anne

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Re: [newbie] WE R @ it again.......my humblest apologies..

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 6:36 am, Frankie wrote:
 Hi guys and ladies..

 I have written to Joe off list and asked him not to leave.
 We are not on the list for political reasons and they should
 not be the reason for anyone to leave it either.

Seems to me there are two Joes.  One is a PITA, and should stay on the 
OT list, and the other is a helpful guy with worthwhile posts.  
Please, Joe, take the good side of that comment.  I have not filtered 
you out, because I don't want to lost the good side of your posts.  
What I posted as a passing remark was not intended to promote flame, 
just pointing out that not all agree with you.  Politics really have 
no place on this list.

New start, Joe?

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 6:14 am, rikona wrote:
 Hello Aron,

 Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 9:38:17 PM, you wrote:

 AS Then do a man -woman (unknown command) ;-)

 We could use a bit of humor
 Not mine, and I have not tried them in Mandrake...

 The following are strange error messages you can get Unix to
 generate.

 % rm microsoft-ethics
 rm: microsoft-ethics nonexistent

 % ar m God
 ar: God does not exist

 % How would you rate SCO's incompetence?
 Unmatched .

 % [Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
 Missing ].

 % ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
 Modifier failed.

 % If I had a ( for every $ Bill Gates spent, what would I have?
 Too many ('s.

 % make love
 Make:  Don't know how to make love.  Stop.

 % sleep with me
 bad character

 % got a light?
 No match.

 % man: why did you get a divorce?
 man:{sp 0}: Too many arguments.

 % ^What is saccharine?
 Bad substitute.

 % man woman
 No manual entry for woman.

 % %blow
 %blow: No such job.

 % (-
 (-: Command not found.

 % sh
 $ PATH=pretending! /usr/ucb/which sense
 no sense in pretending!

 $ drink bottle; opener
 bottle: cannot open
 opener: not found

 $ mkdir matter; cat matter
 matter: cannot create

LOL - I'll be keeping this one

Anne

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Re: [newbie] WE R @ it again.......my humblest apologies..

2003-07-23 Thread John Richard Smith

Frankie wrote:

Hi guys and ladies..

I have written to Joe off list and asked him not to leave.
We are not on the list for political reasons and they should
not be the reason for anyone to leave it either.
I apologise because for 2 times this month I have found
myself
to be a participant in heated OT discussions..
It is my fault for taking some things too personally, and I
will
try to do better in future and where I can't I'll make use
of the
OT list.
I hate the idea that I might be part of what makes newbies
think
that linux users are all fanatical evangelists..
its wrong and I don't want to perpetuate that myth.
kindest regards

Franki
 

Franki,

I don't think you have anything much at all to apologise for.

Each of us are entitled to our own opinions, and we are all free to 
express them. There is no censorship here.

I like to think we all want to keep our discussions polite , if for no 
other reason that it tends to weakens our own case to resort to bad 
language, and that is a pitty, when it often is the case, that an 
individual does have something to worthwhile to contribute.

So ordinary good manners aid any individuals contribution. It has to be 
recognised though that people will loose their tempers from time to 
time, and it says as much about our collective self to recognise that, 
how a community deals with that  is a measure of it's  greatness.

Now I would just like to say that the OT list exists for OT discusion, 
why not use it, and as soon at you feel the need  happening,  just 
transfer it with a note saying as such.It's not difficult to repost it 
to the newbieOT list.

John



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[newbie] what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shares on boot ? user/pass/domain required

2003-07-23 Thread arosene

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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...

2003-07-23 Thread Paul

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 18:49, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 4:37 pm, Harv Nelson wrote:
  SNIP
  I could never understand why recording artists did NOT immediately
  latch on to some nickle-a-pop revision napster, etc. and make
  it their own.
 
 I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's just 
 that they think they'll never get anywhere without the contract.  It 
 seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many artists aren't 
 convinced.
 

The catch is the advance. The recording co. puts up a couple of million,
provides studio time, publicity, 'meet the press', grooming, video,
etc., etc. THEN takes the cost of all this from the advance. Often hear
'musicians' compalining they didn't realise that when the company bought
everybody in the pub a bottle of champage as a publicity stunt (e.g.),
they'd be paying for it. Just about all the advance is gone  they're
tied to the company. If they try to get out they don't make another
album (e.g. Hazel O'Connor)

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Re: [newbie] Help me out

2003-07-23 Thread Robin Turner

Gene Barker wrote:
I am a new linux user, about a month.  I need your help, speaking to the 
newbie group.

 

I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions to 
problems I may have.  I have been inundated with emails from our group, 
most of them not very useful.  May I request 2 things.

 

   1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from
  this channel.  Lets use it as a tool to learn of linux.
   2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and hard
  for me to follow.  A little more information or a way to follow
  the conversation would be helpful to me.  Any suggestions would be
  appreciated.
Agreed. Two requests, though:

1. Use plain text for mails, not XML (?).
2. Don't fill in the Reply-to field in your mail preferences. I just 
wrote a reply which was meant to go to the list but got sent to you 
personally instead.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Robotics

2003-07-23 Thread Marc O

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 12:00 am, SoloCDM wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Cody Harris wrote:
  Hm...i can say i want to start into electronics/robotics. My techie
  friend said that i should buy an 8 bit controller that i can download a
  program to. Would anyone know of such of a processor? How about any
  mailing lists? Sites? Anything? You can mail me directly if you wish

 You'll need to try electronic magazines for that type of
 information/hardware.  No doubt you could find an abundant amount of
 sites on the Internet through retailers and distributors.


   Have a look at Nuts And Volts Magazine they have at least one in depth 
article each month on robotics and adds from a lot of venders selling 
robotics stuff.

Marc
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Re: [newbie] what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shares on boot ? user/pass/domain required

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 10:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shares on boot ?
 user/pass/domain required


Just go through the samba wizard in MandrakeControlCentreMountPointsSamba
It will find all shares advertised on remotehosts for you and make your fstab 
entry.
If the 'noauto' option is unchecked then it will be mounted automatically on 
boot.
If you leave the default user as '%' then when it mounts at boot it will mount 
as root user which you probably do not want. Just put a username and password 
in and it will mount as that user.

Because putting usernames/passwords in the fstab file is a security risk 
instead a file /etc/samba/auth.hostname.username is used to contain the 
password. Your fstab file entry will look something like this.

//firewall/homes /mnt/homes smbfs 
user,credentials=/etc/samba/auth.firewall.derek 0 0

HTH

derek

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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote:

 I can well believe it.  I don't think anyone has come up with a 
 perfect system.  My own solution is to put all politicians in a room 
 and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up 
 like weeds g
 
 Anne

When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those
same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for
politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense.

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Re: [newbie] what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shareson boot ? user/pass/domain required

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 19:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 what do i add to /etc/fstab to automount samba shares on boot ? 
 user/pass/domain required

Instead of doing it in the /etc/fstab - why not create a script that you
can call from the /etc/rc.d/rc.local - so that if the network is hosed
up, it ain't going to muck up your system or drag down performance...?

(Really easy to export a mountscript from LinNeighborhood - ya don't
need to know anything at all - it does it for ya) Just FYI

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[newbie] X sever

2003-07-23 Thread drew martin

Hi All,
How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video driver.I have 
tied everything I can think off.
I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in a 
Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X sever 
please,turn off.
  The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
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[newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

2003-07-23 Thread Zlatko Savic

Hi, I am a newbie and I'd like to know what is the best way to update 
applications in Linux? I've heard something about urpmi but I am not really 
sure how it works or what it is.

I've attempted to compile sources of newer versions of software (i.e. 
alsa-snd-cards), without ever removing the currently installed version and 
I had a lot of compiling errors. I don't know if it is better to compile 
than to install an RPM.

There should be a generalized standard in Linux that all applications 
adhere to (I.e. the registry in Windows). Of course whatever it is, it 
should be better than Winblows.

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!

2003-07-23 Thread Curt Tresenriter

What does this have to do with MS or Linux for that matter?
Don't know why this rubs me the wrong way but Mark has generously
provided server space for REALLY OTs;  so why do so many insist on
wasting newbie server space and bandwidth of those who have no interest
in off topic discussions?
I would think that  the least that could be done is to change the
subject line to reflect the topic being discussed so at least I could
avoid everyone's opinions on subjects which have no interest for me.
Am I alone on this?

Sorry to blow up like that.


On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
 
  I can well believe it.  I don't think anyone has come up with a 
  perfect system.  My own solution is to put all politicians in a room 
  and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up 
  like weeds g
  
  Anne
 
 When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
 and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those
 same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for
 politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense.
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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

2003-07-23 Thread Curt Tresenriter

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:05, Zlatko Savic wrote:
 Hi, I am a newbie and I'd like to know what is the best way to update 
 applications in Linux? I've heard something about urpmi but I am not really 
 sure how it works or what it is.

I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very
nicely.
It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it
along with dependencies (usually).
If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.

 
 I've attempted to compile sources of newer versions of software (i.e. 
 alsa-snd-cards), without ever removing the currently installed version and 
 I had a lot of compiling errors. I don't know if it is better to compile 
 than to install an RPM.

I've found that both are good. I'll compile then make it into an RPM and
install with urpmi. Works great.
 
 There should be a generalized standard in Linux that all applications 
 adhere to (I.e. the registry in Windows). Of course whatever it is, it 
 should be better than Winblows.

Uhhh. no comment.
HTH,
Curt

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Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Dan Gordon

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:07:25 +0100
Tony S. Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All,
 
 Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. Reason being is I
 am behind a ms proxy which authenticates user id's. They will not
 create a root one for me so it will have to be my own user for the
 updates. How do I do this? Can I do this?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tony.
   

I'm not sure if it is possible, when installing software in Linux it
needs to put files into directory's that a normal user does not have
write access in. This is why when compiling from source you need to
become root to do the make install step of the installation.
I don't know much about proxy's except i don't like them personally but
i would think its not to hard for them to do something for you.
You only need root access to the computer you wish to do urpmi on so if
you can access the net as root you sould be able to use urpmi. Is it
your isp that has this proxy or is it on your network or are u on a
computer where you dont have root access ?

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] X sever

2003-07-23 Thread Dan Gordon

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:42:18 +0100
drew martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,
 How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video
 driver.I have 
 tied everything I can think off.
 I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in
 a 
 Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X
 sever please,turn off.
   The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
 Drew
 
 

Drew, there are some excellent how to's and installation manuals on the
NVidia web pages, i suggest you download and print the ones you need for
reference. But the file you need to edit is inittab found here.
/etc/inittab
you need to set the run level to 3 and reboot in order to install the
drivers (this will put you into full text mode) so you need to be
comfortable editing files without grapical interface (I use mc for this)
when the installation is complete you will need to edit the inittab file
again and set it back to 5 in order to boot back into your x server.
If all went well you should see a NVidia startup screen when x server
starts.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] X sever

2003-07-23 Thread drew martin

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 3:34 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:42, drew martin wrote:
  Hi All,
  How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video driver.I
  have tied everything I can think off.
  I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in a
  Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X
  sever please,turn off.
The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
  Drew

 Set your system to boot into runlevel 3 - after that, then you can
 safely install the video driver - and test it by starting X with
 startx - then once you're satisfied that the driver works correctly,
 reset the system runlevel to 5 (graphical login)
 Hi Stephen,
 How do you do this?Dummy needs walk thought cause I'm 
complete Newbie.
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RE: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Tony S. Sykes

HarM,

I am able to use the account just not able to get out with it. I am
wanting to use urmpi as it resolves dependency problems, and I don't
have to much time at work to do all the searching. It would be bad
enough if they found out how much time I spend tinkering with my box as
it is.

Thanks,

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: H.J.Bathoorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root


On Wednesday 23 July 2003 16:07, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 All,

 Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. Reason being is I
am
 behind a ms proxy which authenticates user id's. They will not create
a
 root one for me so it will have to be my own user for the updates. How
 do I do this? Can I do this?

 Thanks,

 Tony.

If you can't be su or root on the machine you're working on you
don't 
stand a chance without the sys-admin helping you.

If you can't get out as root i.e. can't connect to external sites using
urpmi 
or the packaging tool; you could always downoad the rpms to a local
directory 
and use that as a source.
Good luck,
HarM
  

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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!

Anders, I AGREE!
By the way, could you post your address and leave your house keys under the 
front door mat to make my borrowing easier?

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 09:41 am, Anders Lind wrote:
  When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
  and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those
  same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for
  politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense.

 But those initial 10 rules were constructed by religious and political
 hustlers,
 made up to control people

 Listen to George Carlin's standup number on the ten commandments

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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!

Because trying to live life believing and what we believe, do, etc. can be 
put in a box and some how separated from everything else is part of the 
reason the world is in such a mess.  It is IMPOSSIBLE to completely isolate 
ethics from business (or ANY aspect of life).  
Situational ethics, or if it feels good, do it, has the effect of destroying 
life, and part of life is Linux (and the developement, learning curve 
thereof), relationships, countries, etc.

This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief 
excusions into philosophy (real life).
Keith (living a joy filled life)  :)

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 09:00 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
 What does this have to do with MS or Linux for that matter?
 Don't know why this rubs me the wrong way but Mark has generously
 provided server space for REALLY OTs;  so why do so many insist on
 wasting newbie server space and bandwidth of those who have no interest
 in off topic discussions?
 I would think that  the least that could be done is to change the
 subject line to reflect the topic being discussed so at least I could
 avoid everyone's opinions on subjects which have no interest for me.
 Am I alone on this?

 Sorry to blow up like that.

 On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
   I can well believe it.  I don't think anyone has come up with a
   perfect system.  My own solution is to put all politicians in a room
   and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up
   like weeds g
  
   Anne
 
  When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
  and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those
  same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for
  politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense.


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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

2003-07-23 Thread crak600

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
snip
 If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
 to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.


ZS, that link will walk you through very nicely.  i just did updates from it 
last night, and i'm a super noobno programming experience and been using 
mdk9.1 for just over a month now.  if i can do the updates from that site, 
anyone can  :)

while we're on the subject of updatesisn't there something you can set up 
to check a mirror site every so often to look for updates for you instead of 
doing it yourself?  and i'm not talking about giong through MCC either, as i 
couldn't get updates to work from there in the first place.  i'm not worried 
about a program randomly checking for updates and attempting to eat up my 
bandwidth, i'm on cable, so bandwidth isn't an issue for me and i could jsut 
have it do updates at 4am or something when i'm in bed.  if anyone can help 
with this, i'd appreciate it.  thanks!

Mike

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Re: [newbie] X sever

drew martin wrote:

Hi All,
   How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video driver.I have 
tied everything I can think off.
   I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in a 
Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X sever 
please,turn off.
 The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
   Drew

In a console, logged in as root, type:

telinit 3

That will stop X.

Once you are done installing the video drivers:

telinit 5

That's what I do anyway.  It works for me.

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RE: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Frankie

I had a thought on this that might be feasable..

Isn't there some command line switches that tell urpmi to
only download not install???

Could not the download of updates be done as a user and then
su to install them manually??

Another thought:
I imagine that wget is not running as root when
downloading anyway, cos generally that sort of behaviour is
frowned
upon as not terribly safe.. so since all this stuff is perl
code, you
can look though and find what uid/gid wget is invoked with..

The urpmi devolopers on cooker could probably help you with
that.

Just some thoughts that might give you somewhere to start
looking.


rgds

Franki





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H.J.Bathoorn
Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root


On Wednesday 23 July 2003 16:07, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 All,

 Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. Reason
being is I am
 behind a ms proxy which authenticates user id's. They will
not create a
 root one for me so it will have to be my own user for the
updates. How
 do I do this? Can I do this?

 Thanks,

 Tony.

If you can't be su or root on the machine you're working
on you don't
stand a chance without the sys-admin helping you.

If you can't get out as root i.e. can't connect to external
sites using urpmi
or the packaging tool; you could always downoad the rpms to
a local directory
and use that as a source.
Good luck,
HarM





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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 3:05 pm, Zlatko Savic wrote:
 Hi, I am a newbie and I'd like to know what is the best way to update
 applications in Linux? I've heard something about urpmi but I am not really
 sure how it works or what it is.

 I've attempted to compile sources of newer versions of software (i.e.
 alsa-snd-cards), without ever removing the currently installed version and
 I had a lot of compiling errors. I don't know if it is better to compile
 than to install an RPM.

 There should be a generalized standard in Linux that all applications
 adhere to (I.e. the registry in Windows). Of course whatever it is, it
 should be better than Winblows.

 Regards,
 ZS

urpmi is just the 'backend' command line version of the Mandrake Software 
Manager GUI in your Mandrake Control Centre.
If you prefer to use GUIs then use your Mandrake Software Manager to install 
the urpmi.setup RPM once it is installed run urpmi.setup from a root terminal 
and a GUI will appear which will allow you to choose an online update source.
Once you have selected an update source (either using urpmi.setup, or the PLF 
web site others have mentioned) then you can use your Mandrake Software 
Manager to upgrade your existing packages.

As for compiling versus RPMs I would *strongly* advise newbies to stick to 
RPMS.  You will be told by some people how compiling your own will optimise 
performance to your individual computer. That is only true if you know about 
setting compiler flags which I doubt. In general my experience is that when 
newbies compile their own packages they often end up breaking their system.

There are sites such as PLF, Texstar, Mandrake Club and Mandrake Contrib who 
provide recent packages in RPM format which can be installed using your 
Mandrake Software Manager. 

As for your comment about a 'registry'. The stock Linux geek response is 
We don't need no steenking standards  (Meaning it is the diversity of Linux 
which is its strength. Bad ideas whither, good ones flourish)
In reality there are two major methods of managing packages in Linux. The 
widely admired Debian 'apt-get' method, and the more widely used but less 
admired RedHat RPM.  Mandrake uses RPM but with the addition of urpmi it 
becomes comparable to the 'apt-get' approach.

BTW: Why did you think it necessary to upgrade your alsa drivers?

derek
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Re: [newbie] X sever

2003-07-23 Thread Eduardo Silva



drew martin wrote:

Hi All,
   How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video driver.I have 
tied everything I can think off.
   I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in a 
Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X sever 
please,turn off.
 The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
   Drew

 

Drew,

On a xterm,konsole,etc. do an init 3 as root. This will take you to a 
place without an X server running, and you can do everything 
command.-line. When finished do an init 5 (if I remeber correctly).

Best of luck,
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RE: [newbie] X sever

2003-07-23 Thread Dennis . R . Myers

Title: RE: [newbie] X sever







-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:34 AM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] X sever



On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:42, drew martin wrote:
 Hi All,
 How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video driver.I have 
 tied everything I can think off.
 I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in a 
 Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X sever 
 please,turn off.
 The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
 Drew


Set your system to boot into runlevel 3 - after that, then you can
safely install the video driver - and test it by starting X with
startx - then once you're satisfied that the driver works correctly,
reset the system runlevel to 5 (graphical login)


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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!

2003-07-23 Thread Anders Lind

 When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down,
 and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those
 same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for
 politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense.

But those initial 10 rules were constructed by religious and political
hustlers,
made up to control people

Listen to George Carlin's standup number on the ten commandments

/Anders


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Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 17:08, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 HarM,

 I am able to use the account just not able to get out with it. I am
 wanting to use urmpi as it resolves dependency problems, and I don't
 have to much time at work to do all the searching. It would be bad
 enough if they found out how much time I spend tinkering with my box as
 it is.

 Thanks,

 Tony.

In that case, if you have a broadband connection, mirror the wanted sites 
(like plf) locally otherwise use the CD's.

Good luck,
HarM


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[newbie] Beware the PD virus

2003-07-23 Thread rikona

Hello ,

There is a virus that goes around occasionally and causes a lot of
trouble. Is is usually spread via email, and since it is sent as plain
text it seems to be able to get through all antivirus programs.

It is one of the few computer viruses that seem to infect humans, and
indeed, the symptoms often show up first in the human, not the
computer. One of the first symptoms is that it makes people want to
reply to the email, and thus spread the virus even further - it is an
insidious virus. As with other viruses, some people suffer the effects
much more than others. It causes some people to behave in very odd,
sometimes violent ways.

Since AV programs do not stop this virus, it is up to each of us to
try and stamp it out. So, if you get a suspicious email that looks as
though it contains the 'Political Discussion' virus, make sure you DO
NOT make the infection worse by sending a reply to others, especially
if you are feeling upset or otherwise affected by the virus. If you
simply cannot control yourself, it is better to quarantine it to, say,
the OT list. People on that list should be aware of the dangers, since
the PD virus, and others, are often likely to infect that group.
Unfortunately, it is a common virus on Internet email lists.

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RE: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Tony S. Sykes

Dan,

It is my works network which has the server. They don't want to create a
root account as this is a possible security risk due to it being one of
the most hacked accounts (as well as admin). So I can authenticate as my
user through my Linux box, so I tried the old trick of changing my users
gid and uid, but it still sends the root user and pass. Changed that
back now though. All I need is a way to get root to send the auth to the
proxy server as me somehow.

Thanks,

Tony.

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From: Dan Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root


On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:07:25 +0100
Tony S. Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All,
 
 Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. Reason being is I
 am behind a ms proxy which authenticates user id's. They will not
 create a root one for me so it will have to be my own user for the
 updates. How do I do this? Can I do this?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tony.
   

I'm not sure if it is possible, when installing software in Linux it
needs to put files into directory's that a normal user does not have
write access in. This is why when compiling from source you need to
become root to do the make install step of the installation.
I don't know much about proxy's except i don't like them personally but
i would think its not to hard for them to do something for you.
You only need root access to the computer you wish to do urpmi on so if
you can access the net as root you sould be able to use urpmi. Is it
your isp that has this proxy or is it on your network or are u on a
computer where you dont have root access ?

Regards,
Dan Gordon



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Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 17:20, Frankie wrote:
 I had a thought on this that might be feasable..

Frankie how about softlinking a directory to a remote site and using that?
Wouldn't that be feasible? I've never tried so I don't know.
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Re: [newbie] X sever

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 3:59 pm, drew martin wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 3:34 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:42, drew martin wrote:
   Hi All,
   How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new
   video driver.I have tied everything I can think off.
   I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the
   folder in a Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou
   apper to be running a X sever please,turn off.
 The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
   Drew
 
  Set your system to boot into runlevel 3 - after that, then you
  can safely install the video driver - and test it by starting X
  with startx - then once you're satisfied that the driver works
  correctly, reset the system runlevel to 5 (graphical login)

  Hi Stephen,
  How do you do this?Dummy needs walk thought cause
 I'm complete Newbie.
 Drew

If you want to run in text mode for this one session only, don't 
bother changing any scripts anywhere.  Just boot up as normal, but as 
soon as the lilo splash comes up hit Esc.  Then type 'linux 3'.  This 
will take you to a console and you can do whatever the instructions 
tell you to remove the old card driver and install the new one.  Boot 
as normal afterwards.

HTH

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Tuesday July 22 2003 10:13 pm, Cody Harris wrote:
 I know theres a command for this, but how to i get a list of all
 the logged in users and what they are running (and what term they
 are on).

   Using bash, simply type 'w' (w/o the quotes)  EG,

[tom /tom] $ w
 11:13:22 up 17:07,  5 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.22, 0.22
USER TTYLOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
tom  pts/0 Tue18   17:01m  0.00s  0.22s kdeinit: kwrited
tom  pts/1 09:241:42m  0.08s  0.05s /bin/bash
tom  :0Tue18   ?xdm?   1:00m  0.13s /bin/sh 
/usr/bin/startkde
tom  pts/3 09:43   11:05   2.17s  2.01s cdrecord -v -eject 
speed=4 dev=0,0
tom  pts/4 11:130.00s  0.04s  0.01s w

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Re: [newbie] X sever

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 00:59, drew martin wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 3:34 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:42, drew martin wrote:
   Hi All,
   How do I turn off Xsever?So I can install some new video driver.I
   have tied everything I can think off.
   I'm running MDK 9.1,I've work out how to get to the folder in a
   Terminal,bu keep getting the error messageyou apper to be running a X
   sever please,turn off.
 The drivers are the new Nvidia ones for my TNT2
   Drew
 
  Set your system to boot into runlevel 3 - after that, then you can
  safely install the video driver - and test it by starting X with
  startx - then once you're satisfied that the driver works correctly,
  reset the system runlevel to 5 (graphical login)
  Hi Stephen,
  How do you do this?Dummy needs walk thought cause I'm 
 complete Newbie.
 Drew

kedit /etc/inittab

Change where the default is set to 5 to 3 - reboot. Change your
driver or do what you need to do. Then when you're happy with it all,
change the runlevel back.

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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

crak600 wrote:

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
snip

If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.

ZS, that link will walk you through very nicely. i just did updates from it
last night, and i'm a super noobno programming experience and been using
mdk9.1 for just over a month now. if i can do the updates from that site,
anyone can :)

while we're on the subject of updatesisn't there something you can set up
to check a mirror site every so often to look for updates for you instead of
doing it yourself? and i'm not talking about giong through MCC either, as i
couldn't get updates to work from there in the first place. i'm not worried
about a program randomly checking for updates and attempting to eat up my
bandwidth, i'm on cable, so bandwidth isn't an issue for me and i could jsut
have it do updates at 4am or something when i'm in bed. if anyone can help
with this, i'd appreciate it. thanks!

Mike

I got this from one of the guys on Cooker. Type all of the following
commands after the previous command finishes and you get your prompt back:

cd /etc/cron.daily

echo '#!/bin/sh' urpmi.cron

echo 'urpmi.update -a' urpmi.cron

echo 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms' urpmi.cron

This will first update the hdlists (list of packages on the remote server) and will then download and install any updates once a day.

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Re: [newbie] Beware the PD virus

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 01:51, rikona wrote:
 Hello ,
 
 There is a virus that goes around occasionally and causes a lot of
 trouble. Is is usually spread via email, and since it is sent as plain
 text it seems to be able to get through all antivirus programs.
 
 It is one of the few computer viruses that seem to infect humans, and
 indeed, the symptoms often show up first in the human, not the
 computer. One of the first symptoms is that it makes people want to
 reply to the email, and thus spread the virus even further - it is an
 insidious virus. As with other viruses, some people suffer the effects
 much more than others. It causes some people to behave in very odd,
 sometimes violent ways.
 
 Since AV programs do not stop this virus, it is up to each of us to
 try and stamp it out. So, if you get a suspicious email that looks as
 though it contains the 'Political Discussion' virus, make sure you DO
 NOT make the infection worse by sending a reply to others, especially
 if you are feeling upset or otherwise affected by the virus. If you
 simply cannot control yourself, it is better to quarantine it to, say,
 the OT list. People on that list should be aware of the dangers, since
 the PD virus, and others, are often likely to infect that group.
 Unfortunately, it is a common virus on Internet email lists.

Next time you travel to Oz, I'll buy you a beer on that one mate.

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Re: [newbie] samba security premissions.

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 00:33, Daniel Buchanan wrote:
 couldn't find a log that lold me the login info.
 
 Greg Meyer wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 22 July 2003 02:48 pm, Daniel Buchanan wrote:
 
 the share as well.  I would really like to know where to look to see a
 login/activity log.
 
 
 /var/log/samba

You should also be able to watch network information in the
/var/log/messages for Samba accesses and logins

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Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!

2003-07-23 Thread Curt Tresenriter

In spite of the resistance to move this topic to the proper forum, that's where you'll 
find my reply if you're interested.
If not, enjoy the linux topics.


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Re: [newbie] Beware the PD virus

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 4:51 pm, rikona wrote:
 Hello ,

 There is a virus that goes around occasionally and causes a lot of
 trouble. Is is usually spread via email, and since it is sent as
 plain text it seems to be able to get through all antivirus
 programs.

Nice one, Rikona

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Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:07:25 +0100
Tony S. Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. 

Yes.
You can do it using sudo.

I have never used sudo so I only have a rough understanding of how to
set it up.

Perhaps others on this list or possibly the expert list, who do use
sudo, can walk you through it.


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Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Robin Turner

Tony S. Sykes wrote:
All,

Is it possible to do urpmi as a user and not root. Reason being is I am
behind a ms proxy which authenticates user id's. They will not create a
root one for me so it will have to be my own user for the updates. How
do I do this? Can I do this?
You could try using rpm with the prefix option set to your home 
directory (see man rpm).  Can't guarantee that the installed program 
will work, though.

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RE: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread Frankie

To be honest, I don't know with any certainty, but I doubt
it

Other ideas that occured to me was to setup a proxy on that
internal machine and use iptables to transparently forward
all port 21 stuff to the proxy, and have the proxy user
registed with the winblows proxy...

lol... I still think it might be easier to find out what
user wget is running as.. and register that with the
firewall.

Actually, if he tries running Mandrakeupdate, and runs top
in a terminal, he may well be able to find out what user
wget is using to access the ftp servers..

Still, there are more problems with that as well.

I personally think he should use rsync to mirror the updates
dir on one of the FTP server
then add that rsync'd dir as an update source for urpmi...

The whole lot could run from cron.


regards

Franki

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On Wednesday 23 July 2003 17:20, Frankie wrote:
 I had a thought on this that might be feasable..

Frankie how about softlinking a directory to a remote site
and using that?
Wouldn't that be feasible? I've never tried so I don't know.
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Re: [newbie] urpmi as a user and not root

2003-07-23 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 18:48, Frankie wrote:
 I personally think he should use rsync to mirror the updates
 dir on one of the FTP server
 then add that rsync'd dir as an update source for urpmi...

 The whole lot could run from cron.

That's the best option, I agree.
It's sure to work.
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Re: [newbie] samba security premissions.

2003-07-23 Thread Daniel Buchanan

doh, i should have see that.  Too many 'trees' in that directory.  Still 
need to figure out where i went wrong with the security setup, but 
hopefully seeing that log will help.

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 00:33, Daniel Buchanan wrote:

couldn't find a log that lold me the login info.

Greg Meyer wrote:

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 02:48 pm, Daniel Buchanan wrote:

the share as well.  I would really like to know where to look to see a
login/activity log.
/var/log/samba

You should also be able to watch network information in the
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Re: [newbie] Beware the PD virus

2003-07-23 Thread Daniel Buchanan

Only problem is that this virus will spread by targeting the 'weak' 
among the population.  These people get so infected that one starts to 
seriously consider removing them from the gene pool, for the good of the 
others. -p

rikona wrote:

Hello ,

There is a virus that goes around occasionally and causes a lot of
trouble. Is is usually spread via email, and since it is sent as plain
text it seems to be able to get through all antivirus programs.
It is one of the few computer viruses that seem to infect humans, and
indeed, the symptoms often show up first in the human, not the
computer. One of the first symptoms is that it makes people want to
reply to the email, and thus spread the virus even further - it is an
insidious virus. As with other viruses, some people suffer the effects
much more than others. It causes some people to behave in very odd,
sometimes violent ways.
Since AV programs do not stop this virus, it is up to each of us to
try and stamp it out. So, if you get a suspicious email that looks as
though it contains the 'Political Discussion' virus, make sure you DO
NOT make the infection worse by sending a reply to others, especially
if you are feeling upset or otherwise affected by the virus. If you
simply cannot control yourself, it is better to quarantine it to, say,
the OT list. People on that list should be aware of the dangers, since
the PD virus, and others, are often likely to infect that group.
Unfortunately, it is a common virus on Internet email lists.


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Re: [newbie] samba security premissions.

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 4:58 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 00:33, Daniel Buchanan wrote:
  couldn't find a log that lold me the login info.
 
  Greg Meyer wrote:
  On Tuesday 22 July 2003 02:48 pm, Daniel Buchanan wrote:
  the share as well.  I would really like to know where to look to see a
  login/activity log.
  
  /var/log/samba

 You should also be able to watch network information in the
 /var/log/messages for Samba accesses and logins


Samba log messages appear in /var/log/samba/log.user_name

The depth of messages you see depends on the logging level defined in your 
/etc/samba/smb.conf file
log level = 3  (should give you about the right level of detail)

After editing the file restart samba with
service smb restart
in a root terminal

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RE: [newbie] Reason # 9999 to use Linux.

2003-07-23 Thread Sabin, Matthew

Title: RE: [newbie] Reason #  to use Linux.





I'd lost count after #9346, 
please repeat the list so that I may re-synchronize...;)


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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:49 AM
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Subject: [newbie] Reason #  to use Linux.



http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5053063.html

RE: [newbie] Help me out

2003-07-23 Thread Gene Barker

Hi Harv,

I'm not a vegetarian but I do eat most of them except the A veggies.
Thanks for the welcome

Gene Barker


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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Help me out

So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to
Gene!

Eh? I dunno ... he's probably a vegetarian ... 

Harv
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Lanman wrote:

I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir Knight!
Get a good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride!

In the past, you may have heard such expressions as Trust me! I'm from
the government. I'm here to help! You probably laughed about such
things, ( as did we! ), but here, when the list members aren't flaming
Microsoft, SCO, or each other (Grin! Grin!) they're usually a bunch of
warm-hearted, generous, humorous, and helpful individuals. Especially
helpful! For the most part they're a good bunch. Sorry you had to join
up in the middle of a nasty thread. It's just that some of the list
members are grouchy because they've been forced to use Microsoft stuff
at work.

I myself have been on this list for far too long, but even so, I've
learned a huge amount of important things. For Instance, Stephen Kuhn
needs to get some newer ties (!?), Frankie has a boat and likes to drink
whenever he takes it out on the water ( I'm very jealous about that by
the way!), Femme Fatale and Anne both seem to have their heads screwed
on real good, and often provide maturity whenever the gang starts a
ruckus ( Man! Talk about scoring brownie points with the Babes ! ),
and occasionally we even talk about Linux! Did I mention that they also
have a great sense of humour?

Seriously, though,...Welcome to Our Gang, and I for one hope you
stick around long enough to learn everything you can about Linux. That
way , the rest of us can hop on a plane, and drop in on Stephen and
Frankie, where we'll all go boating, drinking, and other stuff,
knowing that you'll be here to take up the slack!

So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to
Gene!

Lanman

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On 7/23/2003 at 12:37 PM Stephen Kuhn wrote:

  

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:24, Gene Barker wrote:


I am a new linux user, about a month.  I need your help, speaking to
the ´newbie¡ group.

I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions
to problems I may have.  I have been inundated with emails from our
group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things.

 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions
from
this channel.  Letÿs use it as a tool to learn of linux.
 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and
hard for me to follow.  A little more information or a way to
follow the conversation would be helpful to me.  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.
Cordially,
Gene Barker
  

Gene, welcome.

  One thing you might want to do is to turn on message threading
in
your email client (if you can) - it helps to discern between what is a
random message and what is a conversation - or threaded discussion.

  Anyways, what can we do for you?

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RE: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?


 I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very
 nicely.
 It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it
 along with dependencies (usually).
 If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
 to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.


I went to the page referenced above and followed all the directions and
everything seemed to work perfectly.  Then I went to the Mandrake Control
Center Update utility, selected everything I could, and it's currently
downloading the packages.  So, from now on all I have to do is visit that
Update utility periodically to keep Mandrake updated?  Can the same thing be
set up for individual applications?  What about automatic update checking so
I don't have to visit the utility?

- Grant


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Re: [newbie] Re: Robotics

- Original Message - 
From: James Henry Maiewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: Robotics

 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:49 am, Marc O wrote:
  On Wednesday 23 July 2003 12:00 am, SoloCDM wrote:
   On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Cody Harris wrote:
Hm...i can say i want to start into electronics/robotics. My
techie
friend said that i should buy an 8 bit controller that i can
download
a program to. Would anyone know of such of a processor? How about
any
mailing lists? Sites? Anything? You can mail me directly if you wish

   You'll need to try electronic magazines for that type of
   information/hardware.  No doubt you could find an abundant amount of
   sites on the Internet through retailers and distributors.

 Have a look at Nuts And Volts Magazine they have at least one in
depth
  article each month on robotics and adds from a lot of venders selling
  robotics stuff.

  Marc
  KM5KW
 Dude!

 Thank you for mentioning Nuts  Volts!  I've just checked out their site,
and
 I think I'm hooked (also thanks to the owner of this thread, I've been
 thinking about this topic for some time.)

What section is Nuts  Volts in? I havn't seen it in any chapters stores in
the areas.

And it isn't my thread, it everyones.

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Re: [newbie] Beware the PD virus

Just do not read your email as root user!
It helps to shut off your brain, morals, and conscience when booting also:)
Actually, divorcing meaning from anything, including Linux, lead to a 
boring, meaningless life

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:51 am, rikona wrote:
 Unfortunately, it is a common virus on Internet email lists.

Yes Rikona, you are right! see reasoning above:)

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[newbie] C++ Compiler?

Will gcc compile C++ code?

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Re: [newbie] Reason # 9999 to use Linux.

2003-07-23 Thread Aron Smith

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:46 am, Sabin, Matthew wrote:
 I'd lost count after #9346,
 please repeat the list so that I may re-synchronize...;)

yeh espc the part about the 3.2 Gb of p()rn 
still cain't find it :)

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 Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:49 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] Reason #  to use Linux.


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Re: [newbie] Re: Robotics

2003-07-23 Thread James Henry Maiewski

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:49 am, Marc O wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 12:00 am, SoloCDM wrote:
  On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Cody Harris wrote:
   Hm...i can say i want to start into electronics/robotics. My techie
   friend said that i should buy an 8 bit controller that i can download
   a program to. Would anyone know of such of a processor? How about any
   mailing lists? Sites? Anything? You can mail me directly if you wish
 
  You'll need to try electronic magazines for that type of
  information/hardware.  No doubt you could find an abundant amount of
  sites on the Internet through retailers and distributors.

Have a look at Nuts And Volts Magazine they have at least one in depth
 article each month on robotics and adds from a lot of venders selling
 robotics stuff.

 Marc
 KM5KW
Dude!

Thank you for mentioning Nuts  Volts!  I've just checked out their site, and 
I think I'm hooked (also thanks to the owner of this thread, I've been 
thinking about this topic for some time.)

Jim.

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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

2003-07-23 Thread crak600

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote:

 I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very
 nicely.
 It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it
 along with dependencies (usually).
 If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
 to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.


ok, question.  i went to the site listed above last night and thought i did 
all the updates.  today i went into mandrake control center  software 
management  mandrake update and then let it check for updates.  it came back 
with a list of updates.  does this mean that my updates were not done?  maybe 
i missed a command when running through a terminal to do this, i'm not sure.  
any info on this greatly appreciated.  thank you.

Mike

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I just finished downloading 97 packages through the Mandrake CC Update
utility and it told me there were three conflicts during the installation
and it aborted.  I did choose to keep the downloaded rpms.  What do I do?

- Grant


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Re: [newbie] Beware the PD virus

Just do not read your email as root user!
It helps to shut off your brain, morals, and conscience when booting also:)
Actually, divorcing meaning from anything, including Linux, lead to a 
boring, meaningless life

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:51 am, rikona wrote:
 Unfortunately, it is a common virus on Internet email lists.

Yes Rikona, you are right! see reasoning above:)

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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

Grant wrote:

I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very
nicely.
It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it
along with dependencies (usually).
If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.
   

I went to the page referenced above and followed all the directions and
everything seemed to work perfectly.  Then I went to the Mandrake Control
Center Update utility, selected everything I could, and it's currently
downloading the packages.  So, from now on all I have to do is visit that
Update utility periodically to keep Mandrake updated?  Can the same thing be
set up for individual applications?  What about automatic update checking so
I don't have to visit the utility?
- Grant

Type the following commands as root:

cd /etc/cron.daily

echo '#!/bin/sh'  urpmi.cron

echo 'urpmi.update -a'  urpmi.cron

echo 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms'  urpmi.cron

This will create a file in /etc/cron.daily called urpmi.cron.  The file 
will then be executed by cron on a daily basis.  The contents of the 
file will update the hdlists (list of packages on the remote server) and 
will then download and install any updates.  Like I said, it will do 
this once a day.

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Re: [newbie] grpmi updating

Grant wrote:

I just finished downloading 97 packages through the Mandrake CC Update
utility and it told me there were three conflicts during the installation
and it aborted.  I did choose to keep the downloaded rpms.  What do I do?
- Grant

It depends on what the conflicts are.  What were they?

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Re: [newbie] C++ Compiler?

2003-07-23 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:51:50 -0300
Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will gcc compile C++ code?

Yes, as long as you have gcc-c++ and its assoc. libs installed


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[newbie] It's that time again

2003-07-23 Thread Charles A Edwards

Mandrake-9.2 Beta1 was released today.

Check your favorite mirror for its availability.



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Re: [newbie] C++ Compiler?

Why is yout message blank?

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [newbie] C++ Compiler?

2003-07-23 Thread Paul

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 19:51, Cody Harris wrote:
 Will gcc compile C++ code?

Yes, no problem.
Paul
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Re: [newbie] grpmi updating

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 7:43 pm, Grant wrote:
 I just finished downloading 97 packages through the Mandrake CC Update
 utility and it told me there were three conflicts during the installation
 and it aborted.  I did choose to keep the downloaded rpms.  What do I do?

 - Grant

Open your Mandrake Software Manager GUI.
Select to filter on 'upgrade availability'
You will see a list of the available updates.
Select to upgrade a selection of them.

urpmi will automatically work out that the packages are already in the cache 
and will not try to download them again.

Repeat until you have installed them all.

derek

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Re: [newbie] C++ Compiler?

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 8:43 pm, Cody Harris wrote:
 Why is yout message blank?

Possibly Outlook Express doesn't display signed messages correctly?

Anne

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RE: [newbie] grpmi updating


 I just finished downloading 97 packages through the Mandrake CC Update
 utility and it told me there were three conflicts during the installation
 and it aborted.  I did choose to keep the downloaded rpms.  What do I do?
 
 - Grant
 

 It depends on what the conflicts are.  What were they?

I was too lazy to write them down.  One was a Mozilla I think.  Is there a
way to attempt installation again so I can take note of the conflicts?

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Re: [newbie] samba security premissions.

2003-07-23 Thread Daniel Buchanan

ok that worked,  I now know that i'm attaching as nobody even though i 
should be attaching with my id.  I even went and maped the drive using 
the sign on as this user function in windoze.  I was under the 
impression that this should work.  No i don't have guest only selected 
but guest access allowed.

Derek Jennings wrote:

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 4:58 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 00:33, Daniel Buchanan wrote:

couldn't find a log that lold me the login info.

Greg Meyer wrote:

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 02:48 pm, Daniel Buchanan wrote:

the share as well.  I would really like to know where to look to see a
login/activity log.
/var/log/samba

You should also be able to watch network information in the
/var/log/messages for Samba accesses and logins


Samba log messages appear in /var/log/samba/log.user_name

The depth of messages you see depends on the logging level defined in your 
/etc/samba/smb.conf file
log level = 3  (should give you about the right level of detail)

After editing the file restart samba with
service smb restart
in a root terminal
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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?

2003-07-23 Thread Kaj Haulrich

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 06:43 pm, crak600 wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
  I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi
  to work very nicely.
  It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and
  install it along with dependencies (usually).
  If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
  to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi.

 ok, question.  i went to the site listed above last night and
 thought i did all the updates.  today i went into mandrake
 control center  software management  mandrake update and
 then let it check for updates.  it came back with a list of
 updates.  does this mean that my updates were not done?  maybe
 i missed a command when running through a terminal to do this,
 i'm not sure. any info on this greatly appreciated.  thank
 you.

 Mike

A possible explanation : you may have two different mirrors for 
updates. Not all mirrors are *up-to-date* immidiately, which you 
can verify by going to - for example - :
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php
and notice the dates in the right column.

Was the list long ? - In that case something must be wrong. If is 
was short, say 5-10 updates, I think the above explanation is 
right.

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RE: [newbie] grpmi updating


 On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 7:43 pm, Grant wrote:
  I just finished downloading 97 packages through the Mandrake CC Update
  utility and it told me there were three conflicts during the
 installation
  and it aborted.  I did choose to keep the downloaded rpms.
 What do I do?
 
  - Grant

 Open your Mandrake Software Manager GUI.
 Select to filter on 'upgrade availability'
 You will see a list of the available updates.
 Select to upgrade a selection of them.

 urpmi will automatically work out that the packages are already
 in the cache
 and will not try to download them again.

 Repeat until you have installed them all.

 derek

Ok, I just installed three CUPS updates correctly, but it wants to know if I
want to use the new conf file or not.  I'd imagine it will ask me this for
most of the package updates.  How do I know which to choose?

- Grant


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RE: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?


 I went to the page referenced above and followed all the directions and
 everything seemed to work perfectly.  Then I went to the Mandrake Control
 Center Update utility, selected everything I could, and it's currently
 downloading the packages.  So, from now on all I have to do is visit that
 Update utility periodically to keep Mandrake updated?  Can the
 same thing be
 set up for individual applications?  What about automatic update
 checking so
 I don't have to visit the utility?
 
 - Grant
 

 Type the following commands as root:

 cd /etc/cron.daily

 echo '#!/bin/sh'  urpmi.cron

 echo 'urpmi.update -a'  urpmi.cron

 echo 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms'  urpmi.cron


 This will create a file in /etc/cron.daily called urpmi.cron.  The file
 will then be executed by cron on a daily basis.  The contents of the
 file will update the hdlists (list of packages on the remote server) and
 will then download and install any updates.  Like I said, it will do
 this once a day.

Awesome, thank you very much.

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Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Chris

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:14 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

Using bash, simply type 'w' (w/o the quotes)  EG,

 [tom /tom] $ w
  11:13:22 up 17:07,  5 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.22, 0.22
 USER TTYLOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
 tom  pts/0 Tue18   17:01m  0.00s  0.22s kdeinit: kwrited
 tom  pts/1 09:241:42m  0.08s  0.05s /bin/bash
 tom  :0Tue18   ?xdm?   1:00m  0.13s /bin/sh
 /usr/bin/startkde
 tom  pts/3 09:43   11:05   2.17s  2.01s cdrecord -v -eject
 speed=4 dev=0,0
 tom  pts/4 11:130.00s  0.04s  0.01s w

Very interesting Tom.  Question though, if I run $ w I get:

 5:32pm  up 31 days, 23:47,  6 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00
USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU  WHAT
chrispts/0- 5Jul03 17days  0.00s   ? -
chrispts/2- 5:32pm  0.00s  0.05s  0.01s  w

Only two entries for me are shown, however, 6 users are reported as with $ 
who:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chris]$ who
chrispts/0Jul  5 18:45
chrispts/1Jul 16 19:42
chrispts/3Jul 19 16:16
chrispts/2Jul 23 17:32
chris:0   Jul  5 18:44
chrispts/4Jul 12 15:44

Whats the difference?  I notice you uptime shows 5 users and 5 are reported 
with 'w'. 

Chris

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[newbie] Audacity problems

2003-07-23 Thread Paul

I'm running 9.1 and have 2 problems with Audacity, on 1300 Duron with
512 Mb memory.

First, no sound. I have SiS7012 working OK using module i810 - sound out
in (e.g.) xmms and play but in audacity get 'error opening audio device
(change the device in preferences dialogue). In preferences the drop
down menu has one entry /dev/dsp (this is linked to /dev/sound).

Second problem, when I load a large MP3 file (over 100Mb) takes over 4
mins to load and program cuts out before fully loaded - no warnings just
disappears from screen.

Web search has no advice for me - any tips/hints, please?

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Re: [newbie] grpmi updating

On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 9:39 pm, Grant wrote:
  On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 7:43 pm, Grant wrote:
   I just finished downloading 97 packages through the Mandrake CC Update
   utility and it told me there were three conflicts during the
 
  installation
 
   and it aborted.  I did choose to keep the downloaded rpms.
 
  What do I do?
 
   - Grant
 
  Open your Mandrake Software Manager GUI.
  Select to filter on 'upgrade availability'
  You will see a list of the available updates.
  Select to upgrade a selection of them.
 
  urpmi will automatically work out that the packages are already
  in the cache
  and will not try to download them again.
 
  Repeat until you have installed them all.
 
  derek

 Ok, I just installed three CUPS updates correctly, but it wants to know if
 I want to use the new conf file or not.  I'd imagine it will ask me this
 for most of the package updates.  How do I know which to choose?

 - Grant

The dialogue box allows you to inspect the old and new config files and see 
the 'differences' between them. 

If you have altered a config file from the original default, then you will 
probably want to use the old file which contains your edits, but you should 
look to see if any new features have been added in the new version you might 
want to copy over to the old one.

In the case of cups. Your old cups config file has all the details of your 
printers in it. If you were to accept the new file you would have to go 
through the printer setup again which you obviously would rather not have to 
do.

You will only see these dialogue boxes for a small number of packages. Cups 
and samba are probably the most critical ones.

derek

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Re: [newbie] Getting System Temperatures

I googled, but i didn't find anything. Know of any C lists?

- Original Message - 
From: Troy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Getting System Temperatures

 You'll probably get better help with that question if you asked it on a C
 progamming list or maybe if you Googled around for some info.

 Just a suggestion.

 Troy Davidson
 Linux User #311107

 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer **

 Quoting Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  If i'm in C, how can i grab the system temperatures? Or how about the
  load
  and all that jazz? Do i make a pointer? If so, to where?

  -Cody Harris

  Linux Rox My Sox!
  Check out HCHS!
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  Not proud to use Windows as a primary server.

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Re: [newbie] C++ Compiler?

2003-07-23 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Wednesday July 23 2003 04:10 pm, Cody Harris wrote:
 Maybe...it says all messages have an attachment...but it won't
 let me see it.

I believe Anne already surmised your bigger problem. Your 
'X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158' is the 
problem.

  Possibly Outlook Express doesn't display signed messages
  correctly?
 
  Anne

  Charles, signs his emails with pgp. M$ tries to be as non-standard 
as possible. With 80% of Net users, they hope they become the 
standard.  But they're thankfully losin ground. You can help. If 
you must connect with any M$ OS (lack of security already a given), 
at least use a non-M$ mail program. Your security an compatibility 
will almost certainly be enhanced. 

   Anyhow as Charles suggested you need the C++ packages installed.
Use rpmdrake an search 'c++', or boot the install CD an choose, 
upgrade, Development, if you didn't when you did install.
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Re: [newbie] Re: Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Chris

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:42 pm, SoloCDM wrote:

 If used correctly, you'll find an abundant list of information.  Some
 of them will need to be activated.  The accounting files require hard
 drive space and will need to be controlled by logrotate.  Also, Some
 programs hide information, because the processes are run internally.
 Tripwire, Watchdog, Chkrootkit, and other security programs will
 provide tracking that will point to files that have changed as a
 result of other programs activities.

 HTH.

I've got chkrootkit installed and run it frequently, what is Tripwire and 
Watchdog?

Chris

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Re: [newbie] Getting System Temperatures

2003-07-23 Thread Troy Davidson

You'll probably get better help with that question if you asked it on a C
progamming list or maybe if you Googled around for some info. 

Just a suggestion.


Troy Davidson 
Linux User #311107

** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer **


Quoting Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 If i'm in C, how can i grab the system temperatures? Or how about the
 load
 and all that jazz? Do i make a pointer? If so, to where?
 
 -Cody Harris
 
 Linux Rox My Sox!
 Check out HCHS!
 http://vectec.net
 
 Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server.
 Not proud to use Windows as a primary server.
 
 Registered Linux user #315598
 Registered Linux Computer #200951
 Wrote on a Windoze Computer :(
 
 
 

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Re: [newbie] Audacity problems

2003-07-23 Thread Dennis Myers

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 05:36 pm, Paul wrote:
 I'm running 9.1 and have 2 problems with Audacity, on 1300 Duron with
 512 Mb memory.

 First, no sound. I have SiS7012 working OK using module i810 - sound out
 in (e.g.) xmms and play but in audacity get 'error opening audio device
 (change the device in preferences dialogue). In preferences the drop
 down menu has one entry /dev/dsp (this is linked to /dev/sound).

 Second problem, when I load a large MP3 file (over 100Mb) takes over 4
 mins to load and program cuts out before fully loaded - no warnings just
 disappears from screen.

 Web search has no advice for me - any tips/hints, please?

 Paul M.
Not sure about the first problem, I have a look and post your fstab file. As 
to the last, it sounds suspicously like you are short of space on the 
partition it is saving to.  look at diskfree and see what room is available.  
i.e. do a 'df' in console and make sure you have at least the 100mb available 
in whatever / you are saving to. Just an idea, HTH

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Re: [newbie] Re: Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Dennis Myers

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 05:35 pm, Chris wrote:
 On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:42 pm, SoloCDM wrote:
  If used correctly, you'll find an abundant list of information.  Some
  of them will need to be activated.  The accounting files require hard
  drive space and will need to be controlled by logrotate.  Also, Some
  programs hide information, because the processes are run internally.
  Tripwire, Watchdog, Chkrootkit, and other security programs will
  provide tracking that will point to files that have changed as a
  result of other programs activities.
 
  HTH.

 I've got chkrootkit installed and run it frequently, what is Tripwire and
 Watchdog?

 Chris

Tripwire and watchdog are intrusion detection programs, they watch your system 
and take not of changes to the filesystem and programs, kind of like they 
take a snapshot of the system and compare it anytime something new happens 
within the OS. Crude explanation but maybe someone on list has a more 
detailed or accurate version. HTH
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Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?

Chris wrote:

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:14 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

 

  Using bash, simply type 'w' (w/o the quotes)  EG,

[tom /tom] $ w
11:13:22 up 17:07,  5 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.22, 0.22
USER TTYLOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
tom  pts/0 Tue18   17:01m  0.00s  0.22s kdeinit: kwrited
tom  pts/1 09:241:42m  0.08s  0.05s /bin/bash
tom  :0Tue18   ?xdm?   1:00m  0.13s /bin/sh
/usr/bin/startkde
tom  pts/3 09:43   11:05   2.17s  2.01s cdrecord -v -eject
speed=4 dev=0,0
tom  pts/4 11:130.00s  0.04s  0.01s w
   

Very interesting Tom.  Question though, if I run $ w I get:

5:32pm  up 31 days, 23:47,  6 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00
USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU  WHAT
chrispts/0- 5Jul03 17days  0.00s   ? -
chrispts/2- 5:32pm  0.00s  0.05s  0.01s  w
Only two entries for me are shown, however, 6 users are reported as with $ 
who:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chris]$ who
chrispts/0Jul  5 18:45
chrispts/1Jul 16 19:42
chrispts/3Jul 19 16:16
chrispts/2Jul 23 17:32
chris:0   Jul  5 18:44
chrispts/4Jul 12 15:44

Whats the difference?  I notice you uptime shows 5 users and 5 are reported 
with 'w'. 

Chris

w doesn't show me any users.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] brant]$ w
15:12:12 up 1 day,  2:34,  1 user,  load average: 0.28, 0.25, 0.19
USER TTYLOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] brant]$ who
brant:0   Jul 22 12:39
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Re: [newbie] Re: Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Aron Smith

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 05:35 pm, Chris wrote:
  On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:42 pm, SoloCDM wrote:
   If used correctly, you'll find an abundant list of information.  Some
   of them will need to be activated.  The accounting files require hard
   drive space and will need to be controlled by logrotate.  Also, Some
   programs hide information, because the processes are run internally.
   Tripwire, Watchdog, Chkrootkit, and other security programs will
   provide tracking that will point to files that have changed as a
   result of other programs activities.
  
   HTH.
 
  I've got chkrootkit installed and run it frequently, what is Tripwire and
  Watchdog?
 
  Chris

 Tripwire and watchdog are intrusion detection programs, they watch your
 system and take not of changes to the filesystem and programs, kind of like
 they take a snapshot of the system and compare it anytime something new
 happens within the OS. Crude explanation but maybe someone on list has a
 more detailed or accurate version. HTH
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2 Beta1

2003-07-23 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Wednesday July 23 2003 04:46 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 03:39 pm, Grant wrote:
   Hey guys. Its feeding frenzy time again.
   Mandrake 9.2 Beta1 is on the servers
   http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki/
  
   derek
 
  Would that be updated via grpmi?
 
  - Grant

  http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo
 

 No and you wouldn't want to. It has some amount of
 disfunctionality at this stage. It is fun to test but some things
 will be broken in it. Once it hits the release candidate stage
 things get really interesting. 

 Yes it is fun and adventure. A lot of us use cooker as our full 
time only grocery getter. The idea that 'Once it hits the release 
candidate stage' should be understood as _ Then it's too late for 
any user input_. By then it's frozen, and only serious bugs are 
ferreted out. If you want features, have suggestions, or want to 
help with bug testing, now is the time to test/critize cooker. 
Actually beta1 is late so y'all are already late ;)

I've tried freely distributing cooker CD's on this list before.
The results were mixed, mostly disappointing. Some who asked and 
recieved, I later found out had broadband and just had me do the 
CD's for 'em. Some never installed or tested, so no gain for cooker 
there either. Only one person I made 9.1 beta CD's for actually 
commented, or posted a bug report. For that one I'm thankful, but 
I'll not do that again, other than by individual _very special_ 
request. If I ignore you, check 'an see if Cheapbytes, et al is 
offerin 9.2 beta CD's

   Bottom line folks, Mandrake is a community effort, not some 
software conglomerate. Specially newbie input is useful as most 
users are newbies. If you're not willin to, when you're able to, 
test/constructively critize/report bugs/hardware problems during 
beta, then don't complain about the final or the RC's. You had 
nothin to do with it when you had the chance.

   If you're unable to get the iso's or install cooker, you can 
still contribute by lurking on the cooker list or readin the ML 
archive. If you have suggestions, post them. Don't expect or insist 
on answers an support tho. It's a development list. There's a great 
chance your views were noted, even if not acknowledged. I'd 
strongly suggest lurkin for at least a month first tho. Please 
don't clutter cooker. If in doubt post your concerns here or on 
expert first.  Most info you need is in the cooker howto (link 
above).  If nothin else you'll gain some insight as to the release 
process.
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RE: [newbie] WE R @ it again.......my humblest apologies..

2003-07-23 Thread Michael Viron

Frank,

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself.  I figure that I'm relatively
accomplished at Linux / Unix related stuff, but I don't know everything
there is know (and so therefore still have much to learn).

I've been on several linux related mailing lists.  I can proudly trace my
involvement (albeit largely unofficial) with LPI back to June 1999, with
the Redhat Mailing lists back to February '99, and on this list (albeit
with 3 different mailing addresses) to sometime in 2001.

Unfortunately, I've not had nearly as much time to keep up with what's
going on here (I'm subscribed to 26 e-mail lists currently, which I will
probably be paring back again soon).  I still haven't launched
mdklinuxfaq.org (even though I had hoped to have at least a basic page in
place by now).  By the way, you can get to Vincent Danen's twiki via
twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org also

I've always tried to aim high on everything I do -- so here's to hoping,
Frank, that you're on the list for another 10 years!

Michael


At 03:47 PM 7/23/2003 +0800, you wrote:
Franki replies:

Thanks Carlos, but I have been on this list for over 3
years, might even be 5
or more, (I was on with a different address before this
one.)
can't remember how long ago, but i should know better then
to get involved or
worse to in advertantly start such discussions.

The fact that I still do shows I still have much to learn
myself.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Re: Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Chris

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 06:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:

I just ran # urpmi chkrootkit and it was installed.  I believe it comes from 
the contrib mirrior I have setup.

The others I don't know about, I'm sure someone else has the answer though.

  Tripwire and watchdog are intrusion detection programs, they watch your
  system and take not of changes to the filesystem and programs, kind of
  like they take a snapshot of the system and compare it anytime something
  new happens within the OS. Crude explanation but maybe someone on list
  has a more detailed or accurate version. HTH

 OK where can I get chkrootkit et aL

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[newbie] Learning Linux on a Pentium ?

2003-07-23 Thread ThinKer

Hello All,

 I've just inherited two very old machines (Original Pentium with 16MB
RAM each). I was wondering if there was anything I can download and
install on these machines. They are currently running Windows 95 and
they have Network cards already installed. I can put them on my network
and browse the Intenet. I would like to install some flavor of Linux.
Maybe a network or boot-floppy installation (since they only have 3.5
inch floppies) that will help me get more familiar with the way Linux
works.



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RE: [newbie] Help me out

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 04:16, Gene Barker wrote:
 Hi Harv,
 
 I'm not a vegetarian but I do eat most of them except the A veggies.
 Thanks for the welcome
 
 Gene Barker

I hate eating vegetables. They just lay there.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Other Users Running?

2003-07-23 Thread Dennis Myers

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 06:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
  On Wednesday 23 July 2003 05:35 pm, Chris wrote:
   On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:42 pm, SoloCDM wrote:
If used correctly, you'll find an abundant list of information.  Some
of them will need to be activated.  The accounting files require hard
drive space and will need to be controlled by logrotate.  Also, Some
programs hide information, because the processes are run internally.
Tripwire, Watchdog, Chkrootkit, and other security programs will
provide tracking that will point to files that have changed as a
result of other programs activities.
   
HTH.
  
   I've got chkrootkit installed and run it frequently, what is Tripwire
   and Watchdog?
  
   Chris
 
  Tripwire and watchdog are intrusion detection programs, they watch your
  system and take not of changes to the filesystem and programs, kind of
  like they take a snapshot of the system and compare it anytime something
  new happens within the OS. Crude explanation but maybe someone on list
  has a more detailed or accurate version. HTH

 OK where can I get chkrootkit et aL
Tripwire is on the d/l'd CDs, CD 3 to be exact but you can just do an urpmi 
tripwire and get it.  Watchdog I think you will need to google for. luck
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Re: [newbie] Getting System Temperatures

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 07:39, Cody Harris wrote:
 If i'm in C, how can i grab the system temperatures? Or how about the load
 and all that jazz? Do i make a pointer? If so, to where?
 
 -Cody Harris

Open side of case - tape thermometer to CPU, another to system board
and another to your hard drive. Just be careful they don't explode and
spread mercury all over your mobo.

(Actually, you can look through the source code for lm_sensors - and in
the /proc directory for info on your sensors mate)

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Re: [newbie] Getting System Temperatures