Re: [newbie] More on Sympatico & Microsoft.
Lanman wrote: Looks like existing Sympatico customers DID receive advance notice about this, but did not receive a choice in the matter. Still, there's no news about the fact that their email system is being moved to Microsoft. Hmmm. http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&category_id=60&content_id=2109 The plot thickens? Kind of ironic for a service whose name means "friendly". Sir Robin -- "I have detailed files." - Terminator II Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] CD playing? :-\
Eric Scott wrote: I recently reinstalled Mandrake Linux 9.1 on my good ol' Pentium 1 @ 233Mhz. It's an old computer, but it had a 40x12x48 CD RW drive. I have sound up and running fine (via sndconfig), but the CD player still doesn't play CDs. The counter runs and it does everything else it's supposed to do, except for actually spit out the sound. Anybody know how I can fix this? Have you checked your mixer setting in aumix or kmix? The CD is on a different channel, and may be muted. Sir Robin -- "I have detailed files." - Terminator II Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Good C/C++ tutorial?
EE wrote: Anybody knows a good c/c++ tutorial. I took a course in C++. I know PHP and Visual Basic A freind just gave me a copy of Sams "Teach Yourself C in 21 Days" in exchange for a set of Mandrake CDs. It looks pretty good, and has a chapter on C++. there again, I'm no expert on C - I'm a Perl kind of a guy myself. Sir Robin -- "I have detailed files." - Terminator II Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] The Most Popular Programming Language in Linux
EE wrote: Hi all, What is the most popular langauge that linux gurus are using to make programs under linux? Is it C, C++, Python, Tcl, etc? What kind of programming you are talking about? The Linux kernel is written in C. Most big applications are written in C or C++. Python and Perl are popular for smaller applications (see the recent thread on scripting languages). Then of course there's Java, which is a world unto itself. It all depends on what you want to do - you can compare the relative merits of, say, Perl and Python, but you can't really compare Perl and C. Sir Robin -- "I have detailed files." - Terminator II Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URpmi
Wolfdreamer wrote: OK, I am confused. I've just had to reinstall on a new hard drive because my old drive died. Grrr,this is what I get. How do i fix this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wolfdreamer]$ urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/plf/mandrake/10.0 with hdlist.cz bash: urpmi.addmedia: command not found Looks like either urmpi is not installed (very unlikely) or you are trying to use it as a normal user rather than root (it lives in /usr/sbin, so it's not in PATH for a normal user). Sir Robin -- "I have detailed files." - Terminator II Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
John Drouhard wrote: I got a new hard drive today. (yay!) It is 160 GB Maxtor and I don't know how to chop it up. Currently I have a 40 GB: /dev/hda1275 MB/boot /dev/hda56.44 GB/ /dev/hda68.64 GB/usr /dev/hda7400 MBswap /dev/hda811.06 GB/home /dev/hda910.49 GB/misc (partition for storing downloads, backups, and other random stuff) I would like to keep the same general partitioning scheme, but I don't know whether I should have it in so many pieces. If I just have a /boot, /, and a /misc, then everything can share in one large partition and I wouldn't have to worry about being low on space for one and tons of space on another. (my /home is tight on space, but my /usr has about 5 GB free) Sorry if this is confusing, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate them... With 160GB, it doesn't really matter how you chop it up, you'll still have loads of room. I'd put a bit more into /usr just in case you want to install some new application larger than anything yet known, and divide the rest between /home and /misc. You might want to have another partition for /etc (I'm told this means you can do an install without scratching your existing settings, but I've never tried it). Sir Robin -- "Time is an illusion - lunch time doubly so." - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake OT
Michael Davis wrote: How do I subscribe to the mandrakeot list? The traditional method is to go to a crossroads at midnight, draw a pentagram on the ground and sacrifice a goat. Otherwise, the method Joe suggests will probably work. Sir Robin -- "Time is an illusion - lunch time doubly so." - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT - music lovers beware
JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:13:13 +1200 John Rye disseminated the following: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/23/beastie_boy_cd_virus/ Heh, followed one of the 'related stories' links, a story about MP3 players that will only allow one person to listen to tunes by using Biometrics. Ya just gotta love this bit: "Bit of a no brainer really, the choice between an MP3 player that plays tunes, and an MP3 player that records biometric information and restricts my ability to transfer MP3s between devices," writes Tim. "I see no better way of ensuring that a media device won't sell apart from smearing it with excrement before packing it. " Link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/11/biometric_drm_interview/ From my blog: "However, there might be some market for the technology, given that people's ingenuity in finding unintended uses for products extends as far as installing Linux on an XBox (incidentally, the iVue protoype runs Linux, which some might find a little ironic). Like, for an example, an iPorn, which allows you to subscribe to all those naughty Internet sites, view your smut anywhere you like, and rest assured that no one else will discover what is hiding in what they think is your MP3 player." Sir Robin -- "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both." - James Madison Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...
Asa Rossoff wrote: From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Asa Rossoff wrote: This is helpful, thanks.My reason for being concerned about both speed and memory are that currently my hardware is on the ancient side (P200 56MB ram), and secondly, I know those issues are both of great consequence in larger scale operations, like on web servers and heavy data analysis. I used to write Perl stuff on a similar machine. Compared with the amount of memory something like OpenOffice eats, any script you write in any language will have a minimal impact on system resources. You'd probably only notice the difference if you were using the box as a web server running data-crunching CGI applications that turned out to be popular enough to have a number of people accessing them at the same time, or if you use humunguous arrays or hashes (for example if you write a program that involves putting every definition in the Oxford English Dictionary into a hash, then don't expect to get your search results quickly!). If you decide to go for Perl, mail me off list and I'll give you some pointers (well Perl usually calls them references - "pointers" is more of a C thing ;-)). I'm not an expert, just a guy who uses it for simple practical applications, but that's probably an advantage. BTW, I'm not trying to start a Perl/Python war here. Apart from anything else, if we get going on that, those weirdo Ruby hackers will join in ;-) ha :) Okay, I may take you up on that. *Adds your email to address book* In the long run, it would clearly be a good idea to learn Perl no matter what, since it is so widely used, and so many modules and scripts are out there for it already. I haven't tried the cpan script from Linux yet -- but when I used it to install some modules under Windows, I was surprised to see it consume nearly 30 mb of paged-in ram. This was one thing that made me question whether Perl is good with ram usage. It's probably because the cpan script is doing quite a lot. You can eat a lot of RAM with Perl if you want (e.g. by looping through massive arrays) but the kind of programs you'd be liekly to write should be fairly economical. Sir Robin -- "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both." - James Madison Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Can't download LM10
Ali Fay wrote: On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 03:20, robin wrote: OOzy wrote: My Internet connection sucks slow and I would like to but LM10 from online. I found one site that sells (I think the download version) for $8.95. What do you think? Is there a trustworthy site that you recommend? Cheapbytes is good. Sir Robin Surely someone could send you a copy for less than that! Hell, where's this "community" spirit! I've got a whole stack of blank cd-r's, and a copy of LM10 Official! Why pay an online company, who would probably charge you postage as well as 8.95... I am in the UK, and would happily send you a copy, provided you covered the postage costs - I'll chuck in the cds and my time, as they are worth so little :) Good thinking! I recently gave a colleague a set of 10.0 CDs after he'd expressed an interest in Linux (I also offered to come over and help install it, but theinstallation worked flawlessly, so I wasn't required). He gave me a copy of of "C in 21 Days" (not much use at the moment, as I'm in heavy Perl mode, but it could be a good Summer read). Sir Robin -- "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both." - James Madison Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Bad signature
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:32 am, OOzy wrote: I tried to install libsvga... but it told me bad signature. I clicked yes. Is that a problem? Please see below urpmi libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm The following packages have bad signatures: libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm: Invalid signature ((SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) (MISSING KEY) GPG#78d019f5 NOT OK) Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y installing libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm Preparing... ## 1:libsvgalib1 ## Bad signatures are almost never a problem. I avoid these warnings by havin the below at the beginning of /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg { verify-rpm: 0 downloader: wget } which ignores signatures and uses wget rather than curl Thanks Tom - I wish I'd known that before I did urpmi --auto-select than spent ages hitting Y-Return! For some strange reason, the 10.0 Official Cds I burnt all had bad signatures. Sir Robin -- "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both." - James Madison Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...
Asa Rossoff wrote: From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Op Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:53:04 -0700 schreef Asa Rossoff: Which of the scripted languages run fastest, and which use ram most efficiently? The languages I know (just) a bit about are Perl, Python, and Tcl. I don't know Perl or Tcl. I always try to get things going in Bash shell scripts, and if that does not work I use Python. Python is screamingly fast (did you know that Walt Disney studios switched to Python for generating their cartoon movies because of the speed?). I once wrote a Python program that interacts with a MySQL database and uses TKInter/Tcl as a graphical interface to users, and that is very fast. I never looked at memory efficiency, but so far I have not found any drawbacks. At my work we are now using Python to run equipment interfaces in a semiconductor factory for some mission critical operations. I think that accounts for something. This is helpful, thanks.My reason for being concerned about both speed and memory are that currently my hardware is on the ancient side (P200 56MB ram), and secondly, I know those issues are both of great consequence in larger scale operations, like on web servers and heavy data analysis. I used to write Perl stuff on a similar machine. Compared with the amount of memory something like OpenOffice eats, any script you write in any language will have a minimal impact on system resources. You'd probably only notice the difference if you were using the box as a web server running data-crunching CGI applications that turned out to be popular enough to have a number of people accessing them at the same time, or if you use humunguous arrays or hashes (for example if you write a program that involves putting every definition in the Oxford English Dictionary into a hash, then don't expect to get your search results quickly!). If you decide to go for Perl, mail me off list and I'll give you some pointers (well Perl usually calls them references - "pointers" is more of a C thing ;-)). I'm not an expert, just a guy who uses it for simple practical applications, but that's probably an advantage. BTW, I'm not trying to start a Perl/Python war here. Apart from anything else, if we get going on that, those weirdo Ruby hackers will join in ;-) Sir Robin -- "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both." - James Madison Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Can't download LM10
OOzy wrote: My Internet connection sucks slow and I would like to but LM10 from online. I found one site that sells (I think the download version) for $8.95. What do you think? Is there a trustworthy site that you recommend? Cheapbytes is good. Sir Robin -- "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both." - James Madison Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...
frankieh wrote: Asa Rossoff wrote: From: "OOzy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Asa Rossoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .. Which of the scripted languages run fastest, and which use ram most efficiently? The languages I know (just) a bit about are Perl, Python, and Tcl. It really depends on personal preference. PHP is popular and rich. I don't know about Perl, Python and Tcl. I think these languages are for gurus. If I were you I will go for PHP. I have some past programming experience, and am not afraid of a challenge for something worthwhile. My impression is that the currently popular and modern backends for web work are PHP and Python. Is PHP meant to be used outside of web work? You can write PHP scritps for admin stuff, but they are slow... the only reason PHP is fast is because it runs inside the web server, (like mod_perl) PHP is not really good for admin stuff, it was never designed to be used like that. Perl was, in fact a good many of the install screens and tools you saw on install of Mandrake were Perl scripts, and so are some of the tools you use to maintain the box. I use Perl for large scale web apps. (using a framework and templating system like CGI::Application and HTML::Template) and I also use a ton of small admin scripts to do backend stuff on the boxes. Python is cool, but I don't know it all that well, Perl is far an away my favorite scripting language, and a look around search.cpan.org will show you why. One thing I like about Perl is its versatility. Although it rose to fame as a text manipulation tool, as franki points out, the vast number of modules available these days means that you can use it for almost anything (well, anything you can use a scripting language for - I've not heard of anyone writing a lightning-fast first-person shooter in Perl). Note that although Tk tends to be associated with Tcl, it also works well in Perl. There are other good scripting languages as well; I'm not knocking Python or Ruby, but Perl has the advantages of thousands of dedicated hackers working on it for well over a decade now. It's like the C of scripting languages. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Shame on Adobe
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 00:09, OOzy wrote: I just downloaded Acrobat 5; I was really surprised. It seems that Adobe did not put any effort for the Linux version. Wouldn't it be nice? Then again, you're talking about Adobe - the same company the grudged coming into the PC world from the Mac world - IN TIME they will see a market share for Adobe products on the GNU/linux platform - but until MicroSuck starts to crumble in the marketshare, they'll only give us GNU/linux freaks a "taste" and that's all. BTW, xpdf works faster anyways... Kghostview is also very nice. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Good Practice
OOzy wrote: What is a good practice?? Is it to install programs from source or RPM? It depends (no pun intended) on a number of things, such as your level of expertise, the amount of time you have, whether you are installing a package designed for the distro and version you are using and so on. I install from RPMs when I can, and from source if there is no RPM or I run into trouble. A couple of tips: 1. When installing from a binary RPM, use the urpmi command (not "rpm -i"), as this will try to install any dependencies. Usually it does a pretty good job. 2. When installing from source, use a source RPM rather than a tarball if possible. Compling a source RPM will give you a binary RPM which you install, and this will make sure that things go in the right places and can be uninstalled easily. 3. If you want to install a package for which there is no RPM, you have some time on your hands, and you feel like contributing to the community, make an RPM from it. It's not as easy as just doing configure-make-make install, but it's not rocket science either. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] I can't send e-mails
Josenildo Marques wrote: Hi. I installed 10.0. Installation was as smooth as it could be and I like it. However, I've got a problem with Evolution: it gives the following error message when I try to send an e-mail Erro ao executar operação: Falhou RCPT TO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: A transação falhou I can get messages. The only message that got through was one I sent to myself. Strange, isn't it? Any help appreciated. TIA Are you sure you have SMTP set up correctly? Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] printing - man files & info files.
Johan Sch wrote: Hi list, printing man files I do this .. man grub | col -b | lpr .. which is ok. but.. Please how can info files be printed, they seem to have more detail. You can send them directly to lpr too, but I use a2ps for printing out both man and info pages (and indeed most text documents). The basic command is: info grub | a2ps -t grub This will print it out in two virtual pages, with the title "grub". There are a lot of options for both commands, so first look at info info and info a2ps The first can select which nodes you want to print, and the second will give you lots of printing options. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What is Cooker?
OOzy wrote: What is the difference between cooker programs and regular once? Cooker is Mandrake-in-progress: it's where developers send packages and users test them. Eventually Cooker becomes the Community edition, which is tested more widely, and this then becomes the Official version. In other words, stay away from Cooker for a while! Later, you might want to help test it by setting it up on a separate partition (or even a separate computer). Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Good PHP Editor
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yankl wrote: On Friday 11 June 2004 08:35 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: OOzy wrote: Hi all I know that I am asking alot of dump questions but I have to. I am switching from MS Win to Linux and I need to have all functionality of windows in Linux. Any how anybody knows a good PHP Editor? Have you tried Quanta Plus? I like it. Actually it is loaded question. Are you looking for something that have PHP syntax highlight? Then I like bluefish. If you are looking for IDE Kdevelopment have capability for PHP development. Quanta Plus has PHP syntax highlighting and code auto-completion with a less dramtic learning curve than KDevelop. Agreed. I've been playing around with KDevelop, but it's really overkill for PHP, Perl etc. Looks like it might be good for C/C++ developers, though. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] libcrypto.so.0
OOzy wrote: Do I have to download it or is it part of My LM9.2 Distro? If you tried to install glimmer with urpmi, and it wouldn't install lybcrypto automatically, then it isn't in your distro. Of course you may be trying to install a more recent version of glimmer which requires a more recent version of libcrypto, in which installing an earlier version might solve your problem. The best place to look for these things is http://rpmfind.net. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Editions
Curt wrote: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:05:30 +0300 PM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:48, OOzy wrote: What is the difference between the Download Edition and the one you buy from the shop? OOzy Box, disks, manuals, support. Plus less money goes to mandrake than if you download it & join the club. Several proprietary programs also ... if I'm not mistaken Only if you buy the Powerpack, I think. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Email Client
Chipo Hamayobe wrote: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Anders Lind wrote: What is a good email client beside Evolution? try pine I don't go for these new-fangled clients - it's elm for me ;-) Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Title of 8.2 disks?
Eric Scott wrote: Yo; I'm a fairly novice Linux user, though I've used Mandrake, RedHat, and YellowDog limitedly over the last couple years. I have Mandrake 9.1 installed on this particular box, but I have a program or two that I want to install from my ol' Mandrake 8.2 CD's. I prefer to use Mandrake's software installations utility, as I don't know the name of the RPM that I'm trying to install and it would take a lifetime to find it by browsing/searching the disks. :-P Being new to Linux, I don't know how to find the title of a given CD. Mandrake's control center wants me to enter the disk name into the library thingy for me to be able to install from the 8.2 disks. Anywho, the point is, I want to install to 9.1 from 8.2 disks with the control center installation utility. You can enter any name you like. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] A friend with sympa problems
I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is? Hello, I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message... Do you know what to do? Thank you Christophe Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; labris2.ttnet.net.tr Arrival-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:42:14 +0300 (EEST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Subject: subscribe newbie From: rhein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:42:16 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOfficeWrite
Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:08:15 + Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:56:50 + Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm stuck using oo in the office because I got everyone else started on it. Hoisted on my own somethingorother. OO 1.1.0 on mdk 9.2 Only on 'my' oo installation, the default save format is .doc. I can't change it in the "options" menu, although I can change to.sxw at the time of a save. I changed Netscape Navigator to HTML 3.2 in another section of "options"just to change something and the change worked. Still couldn't get rid of the .doc save, though. Any ideas? (Going to the oo list is not an option. It's up to you.) I would suspect foul play if anyone here were savvy enough. Am I to be subjected to a lifetime of .doc clutter in my hd? Lee Robin's "Delete 'em all and let God sort it out" approach struck me as appropriate. Try that in Windows, Bill. Thanks all for the response. Lee \ Continuing tale. Deleted /home/.openoffice Started oowriter Still can't change .doc save. I know this is a conspiracy. I went over to my brother's machine, changed the default to .doc, changed it back to .sxw and every time when I left and came back, the default was where I left it. On my machine, .doc rules. Period. Is this possible? Try running setup as root first. I'm not sure where it will be on your system - if you used the Mandrake RPM, it's probably /usr/lib/openoffice/setup. Then wipe your ~/.openoffice directory again and run as user. Another idea - have you had a look at the file associations for whatever desktop environment(s) you are using? It's a very long shot, but it's remotely possible that if OO is associated with .doc files and nothing else, it's getting the message that you want .doc files. Sounds absurd, but it's the only other theory I can come up with. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOfficeWrite
Lee Wiggers wrote: I'm stuck using oo in the office because I got everyone else started on it. Hoisted on my own somethingorother. OO 1.1.0 on mdk 9.2 Only on 'my' oo installation, the default save format is .doc. I can't change it in the "options" menu, although I can change to .sxw at the time of a save. I changed Netscape Navigator to HTML 3.2 in another section of "options"just to change something and the change worked. Still couldn't get rid of the .doc save, though. Any ideas? (Going to the oo list is not an option. It's up to you.) I would suspect foul play if anyone here were savvy enough. Am I to be subjected to a lifetime of .doc clutter in my hd? The answer is probably hidden somewhere in ~/.openoffice. Rather than spending hours hunting through the config files, though, it's proabbly easier to back up anything in there you need (macros, templates, autotext etc.) and delete the whole lot, so you when you next run OO, it will give you a brand new configuration directory with the standard settings. Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Installing tar for winmodem
Flemming wrote: I have mandrake 9.2, p4 1024mb ram, WinFast A180 DDR. I also have a Winmodem installed which is not recognised by Mandrake. I downloaded a TAR driver. How do I install? With any tatball the procedure is: 1. Open a terminal. 2. Change directory to where the tarball is e.g. cd downloads/packages 3. Unpack the tarball tar -xvf winmodem.tar (change to the name of your package) or if it's zipped: tar -xvf winmodem.tar.gz 4. This will probably create a new directory, so cd into that and look for a fill called README, INSTALL or something. Type less README and see what it says. You should find instructions to procede further. 5. Nine times out of ten, the next stage is to type (as root) configure make make install Hope this helps, Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spear's early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] web based database program
Eric Huff wrote: What are your favorites for web based database programs? I have a project where i will have many items, each with a bunch of keywords, and i need to be able to search for all items containing a keyword, sort them by other keywords, blah blah blah. It will be accessed on the web (or thru a browser, at least), and will have the normal friendly gui interface of so many sites. What are good choices for this? I am still very new to running progs on the web other than simple php, etc. I'm good at programming, so i'll learn what i need to, but my problem is always find the "good" programs/languages to start with... The best thing is probably to use MySQL for your data, then scour Sourceforge and Freshmeat for a front-end that suits your needs (most of them are PHP, so you can hack them to your heart's content). Sir Robin -- "I'm very into Britney Spear's early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art." Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT: Really dumb Sourceforge question
robin wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 06:27, robin wrote: This is embarrassing. It's been so long since I did anything with my Sourceforge site, I've forgotten how to use it. Specifically, I can't remember how to upload files, and the help pages are pretty unhelpful. Can anyone here who has a SF account remind me of what I'm supposed to do? Sir Robin the Shamefaced You're not joking, are you? No, I'm not! I keep going round in circles! I've uploaded the file to /incoming, but I can't seem to link to it. OK, I did it in the end - sorry for wasting bandwidth. I reckon the Sourceforge philosophy is that if you're clever enough to code, you should be clever enough to find your way through their labyrinthine site. BTW, this is a simple text concordancing Perl script - it's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/perlconc if anyone's interested. Sir Robin -- "The less you intend to do about something, the more you have to talk about it." - Yes, Minister Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT: Really dumb Sourceforge question
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 06:27, robin wrote: This is embarrassing. It's been so long since I did anything with my Sourceforge site, I've forgotten how to use it. Specifically, I can't remember how to upload files, and the help pages are pretty unhelpful. Can anyone here who has a SF account remind me of what I'm supposed to do? Sir Robin the Shamefaced You're not joking, are you? No, I'm not! I keep going round in circles! I've uploaded the file to /incoming, but I can't seem to link to it. Sir Robin -- "The less you intend to do about something, the more you have to talk about it." - Yes, Minister Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] OT: Really dumb Sourceforge question
This is embarrassing. It's been so long since I did anything with my Sourceforge site, I've forgotten how to use it. Specifically, I can't remember how to upload files, and the help pages are pretty unhelpful. Can anyone here who has a SF account remind me of what I'm supposed to do? Sir Robin the Shamefaced -- "The less you intend to do about something, the more you have to talk about it." - Yes, Minister Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Remote Kontact
Marc Lijour wrote: Le May 26, 2004 12:35 pm, robin a écrit : Klemens Arro wrote: Hy, I was wondering if there is a way to use my Kontact over web. So I could read my mail, check my appointments, view my contacts, read notes etc. over web? I think you need an LDAP-enabled server. There's something about it in the KOrganizer Help pages. Isn't it a IMAP server instead (or POP3)? Security options to investigate: - use POP3s (secure) - use SSH tunnel IMAP for mail, LDAP for remote calendars, IIRC. Sir Robin -- "When I was at school, education could go hang, so long as a boy could hit a six, sing the school song loudly, and take a crumpet up the behind without blubbing." - Blackadder Goes Forth Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Remote Kontact
Klemens Arro wrote: Hy, I was wondering if there is a way to use my Kontact over web. So I could read my mail, check my appointments, view my contacts, read notes etc. over web? I think you need an LDAP-enabled server. There's something about it in the KOrganizer Help pages. Sir Robin -- "When I was at school, education could go hang, so long as a boy could hit a six, sing the school song loudly, and take a crumpet up the behind without blubbing." - Blackadder Goes Forth Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Community to Official?
Thujan wrote: Hi, I have red lot about people wanting to "update" their mdk10 Community to mdk10 Official? Is there any valid reason to do that? Does one get newer software with the Official than with the Community? I have been very happy with the 10.0 Community so far everything works with my laptop even software suspend. Now I'm wondering do I really have some reason that I do not know why I should "update" to Official sources? Why to change Official? If it ain't broken, don't fix it. As far as I can tell, there are no major upgrades in Official, just bugfixes. I'd recommend installing security-related updates, though. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT: annoying spam filters
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 24 May 2004 11:24 am, robin wrote: I don't think spam filters take this into account (in fact I don't see how they could). Since our mail server has started using spamassassin, I've had to put in procmail recipes to stop a large number of mail services I've opted into from being tagged as spam. Well, spam filters don't yank accounts, ISP's do after they have received complaints by recipients that someone is sending out spam from their system. I was cautioning him before he gives advice on how to send out mass mailings to make sure that they have permission from the recipients. Or inevitably, complaints will follow and accounts will be cancelled, or IP's will get blacklisted. Usually fairly swiftly. Ah right, I see what you mean. However, I doubt if any of the people on this particular list would complain to the ISP, they'd just mail him. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT: annoying spam filters
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 23 May 2004 09:43 pm, Paul Kaplan wrote: I'm looking into a problem my high school reunion chair is having. Apparently most of his e-mails to the class are not making it to classmates with known active e-addresses. Since the e-mail has ~200 names on the "To:" list, I suspect it's being picked up as spam by some ISP bent on blocking our class reunion. Does anyone know if my hypothesis is reasonable and how one might get around such a filter (other than by sending 200 e-mails)? Possible it is not making it off of the original mail server. Postfix has rules that can be implemented that limit the number of recipients. I am fairly certain that other MTA's do as well. There are a number of email packages that allow you to create distribution lists, each email would go out to a single address, but everyone on the distribution list would get a copy. He might want to look into getting such a package. However, he/she should probably insure that the mail is 100% opt-in/solicited, regardless of what the subject might be. If the recipients did not actively solicit the contact, high school reunion or not, the mail would be considered spam and the originating account will probably be forfeit. I don't think spam filters take this into account (in fact I don't see how they could). Since our mail server has started using spamassassin, I've had to put in procmail recipes to stop a large number of mail services I've opted into from being tagged as spam. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
David E. Fox wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:14:18 -0400 lake-wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create Why not get the CE ISO's as many have done, and then urpmi them up to final update status? I did that on my office machine, which has an ethernet connection, but I wouldn't want to try that at home with a modem connection! Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to fsck your KDE menus, and fix them in one easy lesson
Chris wrote: I had this experience yesterday and thought I'd throw out to the list how I fixed it to. Hopefully to save someone else the agony I went through. I was adding an item to the KDE menu yesterday when I got interupped. I had already added the submenu. I came back to the system and closed out menudrake, forgetting I had a blank submenu sitting there. Suddenly nothing worked on the panel, my KDE Control Center was empty, and the popup menu was missing most everything. Needless to say I paniced. I could still pull up Mozilla so I went searching the archives for "missing menus" Found the answer "update-menus -v" however, that kept erroring out. Finally after studying the output of update-menus I figured out it was telling me there was a blank menu entry that was screwing up everything. I reloaded menudrake from the CLI, removed the entry, reran update-menus and everything was back as it was before. So, lesson learned, if you put in a menu entry, never leave it blank. If you're not going to use it, delete it. Thanks for the tip. How about adding it to the wiki? Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] nvidia geforce graphics card
John wrote: I have just installed nvidia geforce mx 4000 graphics card. Installation appeared to go ok using the md10 driver and kernel source.I am using the opengl screensavers however and they are now moving frame by frame instead of flowing as before. Is 128mb of ram not enough or are there other settings to change? I used the mandrake drivers as it was easier for "newbie" me than installing driver from nvidia.com. Thanks in advance for help. The driver Mandrake provides is the vanilla XFree86 one, which does not support hardware acceleration - that's why everything is slow. You really need to get the nvidia driver. It's not that hard to install - see recent posts on this list. The amount of RAM on your machine doesn't affect video acceleration, since the card uses its onboard RAM. I'd still advise getting a bit more RAM eventually, though, as it's always a good thing. 512MB is plenty for anything short of advanced video work - I have 512MB and have hardly ever used swap space. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MD 10 success story
rikona wrote: Hello Thomas, Friday, May 21, 2004, 1:10:57 PM, you wrote: TW> That great! I have had similar luck. I think MDMDK0 is TW> fantastic as well and only maintain a window$ TW> partition in case I get caught out in the world and TW> need it. Someone's network??? a particular download TW> that only works with explorer I don't know. In any TW> case lilinuxnd mdmdk0 rock. TW> It is important to remember though that as linux TW> users, while not as susceptible to the virus, we can TW> still pass a virus laden email on to someone else. Assuming we don't forward junk to others, how could we do that? By running a mail server. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10.0 How to get sound out of CD Player
Guy Rouillier wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2004 08:26:47 +0100 Derek Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You probably need an audio cable. http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/audio_cd.html Derek, thanks for the reply, but I doubt that is it. If you reread my original message, I do here the CD if I use the Totem media player. Only when I try CD Player (gnome) or xmms do I not hear anything. The fact that it works with Totem means the hardware is okay. Do these apps point to the right device? Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] spyware, cookies, etc
Michael Tienhaara wrote: Thanks Paul. I do monitor cookies before accepting them. Nevertheless I often wonder if a cookie can double as a spy. Michael Op Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:08 -0700 schreef Michael Tienhaara: I've been following the recent thread about virus and Linux. Under Windows I constantly had to search and destroy unwanted spyware apps. What are the risks of spyware and cookies on a Linux system? I have never heard of spyware that runs on linux. Cookies are a part of most browsers. Switch off cookie-support if you are afraid of them, or use a cookie-manager to check what is in there, I'd say. NOt to any significant extent. A site can only store the kind of information it can get anyway (IP number, browser type etc.) and information you give it (forms etc.). In an insecure system, your cookies could be accessed by someone else (people in my office have left some fairly incriminating cookies on Windows) but there's no real danger of that on a properly set up Linux box. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] O(T)Virus
David Robertson wrote: Just as an aside, we shouldn't be too complacent about viruses and worms. I get my fair share of them and, being an inveterate fiddler, I sometimes run the *exe variety through wine to see what happens. Why, you might ask: I have no idea! Anyway, recently I had one arrive by email, and on running it just by double clicking, it proceeded to deposit about 90 files into every directory (including hidden ones) below my home directory. They had very entertaining names as well, usually relating to Britney Spear's reproductive abilities! No harm actually done, but a real nuisance and a lot of disk space taken up. It was a real pain deleting them all. It's a good idea to have a special "sandbox" user for times that you feel like flirting with the Dark Side. Sir Robin of the Mixed Metaphors -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] arrrrggggggg
Philip J Scott wrote: What is wrong with this os. Windows loads boots and works right away, Linux for some reason allways has problems either install or booting. I have used it or been trying it since 9.1 still not got any of them to work properly. Just managed after a struggle to get 10 to boot, now i get to the opening screen and thats it. My mouse will not work at all so I cant navigate or even open a console.Anyone know how I can get the little bugger working. You'll have to be a bit more specific. What hardware? What kind of installation? You can open a console from the keyboard. You'll probably find the "Windows" key will open a menu; from there you can navigate with the arrow keys. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] geforce mx4000/nvidia
frankieh wrote: John wrote: Hello Would appreciate any information or links that would help with installation and setup of a new video card. I am running md10 official with 2.6.3-7 kernel. I thought the nvidia drivers were included on the installation cd's but can't locate them. Thanks in advance. John If its the download edition, then no, the 3d drivers are not included.. go to nvidia.com and download the auto install script and run it.. it will do the rest. Its pretty simple. Yes, but read the README file first, particularly the bit on the XF86Config file. And before you do anything, set your computer so that it doesn't start X on boot and back up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (it does that automatically, but it's easy to lose the original one). You might need to install the kernel headers as well. Sir Robin -- "Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person." - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [Somewhat OT] Recursing in bash
Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 11:18:32PM +0300, robin wrote: I'm trying to write a bash script that will recurse through a directory, find Word files, then run antiword on them. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on the first stage, which is to get it to recognise a directory. I'd thought this would work for i in * do if [-d $i]; then cd $i and so on, but the third line obviously has the wrong syntax, as I get "[!: command not found". Any ideas? find can be your friend. You can find directories and files, and specify recursion depth using -mindepth and -maxdepth. So an easy solution (depending on what you want to do with what you find) could be something like find /home/robin/crappywordfiles -type f -iname '*.doc' by default it will recurse crappywordfiles to infinity finding all files that end in .doc, .DOC, .dOC etc. or if you really wanna cd to the directories themselves, something like for i in `find /home/robin/crappywordfiles -type d` do cd $i rm -f *.doc done Works a treat! The reason I'm messing around with evil Word files is that it is the format I usually receive essays in (I've tried teaching my students the "save as" function in Word, but it doesn't sink in, and besides, other formats that Word can produce are equally problematic). It's not normally a problem, since I can open them in OpenOffice, write my comments and post them back, but sometimes I also want to do some analysis on them, for which plain text is essential (see http://lists.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin/cgibin/concord.cgi for something I did a few years back). Thanks a lot, Sir Robin -- “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] [Somewhat OT] Recursing in bash
I'm trying to write a bash script that will recurse through a directory, find Word files, then run antiword on them. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on the first stage, which is to get it to recognise a directory. I'd thought this would work for i in * do if [-d $i]; then cd $i and so on, but the third line obviously has the wrong syntax, as I get "[!: command not found". Any ideas? Sir Robin -- “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
Carl J. Bauman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:45:09 -0400 Todd Slater disseminated the following: If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what Chris Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers seem to have taken control over there. -- cmg Wasn't it just a couple of people that had problems with the political sigs? ...the usual suspects ;-) I guess I'm not clear on why anyone would have any political sigs, right, left, or middle wing, on an OS mailing list. Is Mandrake, or Linux in general, inherently political? I didn't realize I was making a political statement when I installed it on my hard drive. Is that stated some where on their website? Please, say it ain't so! ;-) I don't think people choose their sigs according to their mailing lists. Some use the same sig for everything; others have a random sig. I'm sure there's some way of automating the sig according to the "To:" field, but I've never heard of anyone doing it. As a point of netiquette, I think it's usually a bad idea to comment on people's sigs in a list (especially if it's a hostile comment, which will then result in a twenty-message thread). Unless it's on the OT list, of course ;-) Sir Robin -- “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] More evidence of the superior intelligence of Canadians
JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 13:27:00 -0500 Avi Schwartz disseminated the following: 'According to Stacey Quandt, principal analyst of Quandt, 'RBC probably went into the deal as an investment, and now they appear to have lost confidence in SCO's ability to win its case, so they've decided to cut their losses.'"' Link: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040507143313869 If the Canadians have such superior intelligence, then why did the RBC get into bed with SCO to begin with? Well, it *is* a bank...you can't expect too much ;-) And SCO aka Caldera used to be a perfectly respectable 'nix company. Sir Robin -- “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
Lanman wrote: JoeHill wrote: Stop the presses! "Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software." Link: http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html Maybe, just maybe, the 'Net will be somewhat safer with all those warez kiddies patched up somewhat... Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL! This tends to support the contention that Microsoft wants to make sure that consumers keep buying/using Windows, and they don't seem to mind those running pirated copies too much either. If this service pack is as good as they say, why would they need to allow pirated copies to download it, just so they could protect valid users? Something is missing here. How can a legal copy of Windows be vulnerable to the attacks that this service pack prevents, if non-licensed (ie; pirated) copies don't have the service pack installed? Maybe when Longhorn finally comes out, they'll release a special pirate edition. Long John Silverhorn, perhaps. Sir Robin -- “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] One for JoeHill
Lanman wrote: Tony S. Sykes wrote: Microsoft is expected to recommend that the "average" Longhorn PC feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today. While I'm currently drooling all over those specifications, I can't see Longhorn being ready to ship for at least 2 years, since some of that hardware is not available yet, and most consumers are not about to spend that kind of money on a system (with the exception of a long list of distinguished fellow list-members) just so they can have an "average" system! On the other hand, I can see many of us telling our employers that we'll bite the bullet and accept Longhorn on our systems, just so we can have that kind of horsepower on our desktops, after which we would promptly install Linux, and never look back at Longhorn again( except when the boss was around)! Grin! If those are the average system specs, then Longhorn is definitely the most bloated OS, second to none! I suppose that's one for the Guinness books? Jeesh! 4 to 6 Ghz P4 CPU's with Hyper Threading? Anyone for Solitare? Grin! Drool! My school's computer centre still recommends Windows 98 (for those of us who aren't using Unix/Linux, that is). They're fed up with having to send techies out to sort out a problem with some bozo installing XP with no security and bringing down the whole domain. God knows what they'll make of Longhorn. BEAVIS: Huh huh, he said "horn". BUTTHEAD: Uhuh huh, is your horn long, Beavis? Sir Robin -- “Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:09 pm, Miark wrote: Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Miark That does appear slow and surprises me. You are using OO.o1.1.0? I have never installed, for use, the Mandrake version, only ever the one from OO.org, into the place where Mandrake installs their version. I've used both the tarball and the Mandrake RPM - no difference as far as I could see. Might be worth checking bugzilla for OO, or perhaps it's time to upgrade to 10.0. OO, like most things, works faster in 10.0. I'm using OO (slowest Linux app ever) on KDE (slowest desktop ever) awnd it still opens in seconds on a comparable machine. Sir Robin -- “Corruptissima in republica plurimae leges.” - Tacitus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
Miark wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:05:51 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? No, but you might have something running in the background when you open it up. I sometimes open two or three apps up at a time, and then OO.o appears slow against the others. Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Jeez, I haven't experienced anything like that since the old days before OO split off from SO. Something is obviously borked in your installation, but I have no idea what. Have you tried running it as a different user, to establish whether the problem is in your whole installation or just in your own settings? OO is not, and never will be, a speed king, but it should not be doing this. Sir Robin -- “Corruptissima in republica plurimae leges.” - Tacitus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Slow openoffice
rhein wrote: Hello, Since a few days openoffice hangs when I open saved files... I opened those same files much quicker before. I have about 500 mb of RAM on my machine so I don't think this is the problem. Any idea ? I red about Abiword on this list... what are the differences with oowrite? By the way is Koffice lighter then openoffice? Any user on this list? Given that OO was opening files OK before, I'd recommend fixing the problem rather than changing your word procesor. But anyway, FYI ... Abiword is very light, and somewhat minimalistic. It's aquired some features since I stopped using it a while back, but it's still more of a choice for someone running an old, slow system who doesn't need to do anything fancy with their word-processor (BTW, it is just a word processor, not a whole office suite like OO or KOffice). Koffice is a bit faster than OO (assuming you're running KDE - I don't know how it performs in other environments). The look and feel of KWord is more like a DTP program than a word processor - it's very good if you want to do a lot with frames (which I don't). Unlike most other programs, it has some limited ability to edit PDF files, but the only times I've tried to open PDF files in KWord, it screwed up the formatting completely. A major disadvantage for those of us who have to share documents with Windows users is its inability to save in Word format (though it can open Word documents). Personally I think it falls between two stools (if I want to do fancy FTP stuff, I'll use Scribus) but some people like it. Of course if you are producing documents solely for your own use (or for people who only want to print, not edit, the files you send them, or who are also Linux/Unix users) the best program is still, IMHO, LyX. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] bin
David Williams wrote: I have installed 10.0 on top of 9.1 Most everything seems to be OK except that I can't run whatever.bin files anymore. I take a really simple approach to stuff and I used konq for most stuff including this. It won't run from the comand line either. Is there some sort of file assoc that I have to force? If it won't run from the command line, it's probably not a file assocation problem. It looks like for some weird reason your file permissions have been reset. Type "ls -l *.bin" and see what you get -rwxr-xr-x 1 david david 249 Feb 20 2004 somescript.bin If you get something like -rw-r--r-- 1 david david 249 Feb 20 2004 somescript.bin (i.e. no "x"s in there), you need to type chmod +x *.bin which will make all .bin files in that directory executable. Also check that you still own the files and they haven't switched to being owned by root. Sorry if this is an overly simple explanation, but you did say you didn't use the command line much ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Another Xfce convert!
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 12:09, Marv Boyes wrote: Is it a sign of increasing Linux maturity when you start to favor functionality over eye-candy? ;) Eye Candy is nice if that's all you're doing - watching pretty windows... Well what else am I supposed to do when I'm pretending to work and I've finshed reading the OT list? Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: We know we suck, and we don't really care.
Lanman wrote: frankieh wrote: Thats not gonna be too much of a big deal shortly... there are several things in the industry now related to MicroSoft, that are going to help Linux quiet abit.. - Allot of apps will in the next few years need to be swapped to Win64, and will require substantial code changes anyway. (see below.) - Microsoft themselves are going to break allot of their own backwards compatability, in fact they have already done so. --- Win2003 already breaks some software from win2000/XP. --- win XP service pack2 breaks more software. --- Windows Longhorn will break huge reams of existing software... it is to "innovative" to be backwards compatable. And you think that is the end?? Microsoft knows that in order to keep people upgrading, they know they can make it different, as long as they make it seem easier then reworking the programs to run on linux... But how long is that arguement going to last??? after Longhorn, microsoft are going to have to change everything even more to justify to people how upgading to whatever new they come up with is worth it.. Eventually developers are going to get sick of rewriting their apps each time MS come up with something they think people just have to have eventually they will realise that this is just more microsoft FUD and that in the long run, writting apps for a totally open API is simply better, particularly if the alternative is re-writing their apps every 5 years or so. FrankieH; Don't forget that Linux is gaining a lot of popularity and momentum. That alone, will push a lot of software companies to seriously consider coming out with re-worked versions of their apps, and many are already doing exactly that. In many cases, well-estasblished apps written for Linux years ago have been improving by leaps and bounds, and as people start to migrate over to Linux, they'll start depending on those apps, instead of seeking commercial or proprietary ones. One last thing here. One of Microsoft's long term goals is to migrate most of their apps to web-based systems which will be sold as subscription services - ie; Microsoft Office. That's one of their prime reasons for coming up with "dotNet". Part of Microsoft's game plan is to be able to sell those services across all platforms, since much of the web already is platform-agnostic. It's the easiest way to capture a higher marketshare. So, don't be too surprised to see a lot of companies coming out with web-based applications in the near future. If companies can build apps which will work just as well on Linux and MacOS, as they do on Windows, compatibility will take a distinct move up the ladder. Microsoft also knows that this is one way that they can continue to build crappy applications, without all those nasty crash events happening, simply by moving the app from the hard drive to the web. It also means that they'll probably try to sell it's merits by promoting the stability factor of the web. ROTFL. Also, this also explains why the new Windows ( currently due out sometime this decade ! ) will have a newer version of Internet Explorer (something like version 8) which will be tuned to take advantage of the new web-based apps that Microsoft will be selling. Don't be surprised if they call LongHorn something like Internet Commander or something, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was the core of the OS. Certainly would explain why the tried to merge IE 5 through 6 into the OS, and why Bill Gates was buying up cablevision companies in Europe a few years ago. Who else is gonna supply that much broadband to a user-base? This could be very amusing. Anyone remember Win98's "active desktop"? You make your whole dektop environment dependent on the thing that is most likely to crash. Even Windows users didn't buy that for long. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
et wrote: On Monday 19 April 2004 10:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Monday 19 April 2004 06:15 pm, John Wilson wrote: On April 19, 2004 10:53 am, robin wrote: Then of course, there is the fun of uninstalling Windows software. Hmm, editing the registry to get rid of crap left by botched uninstalls - now _that's_ what I call user-friendly! ;-) Robin, you are evil and wicked, do you know that? :-) Windows uninstalls everything properly, never ever leaves unresolved references in the registry, would never whack a shared file needed by other programs and certainly wouldn't fsck the existing settings. :-) And Micro$oft would never ever issue a bug fix that makes matters worse, breaks installations and leaves end users scratching their head as to why a perfectly serviceable computer, by Windows standards, suddenly doesn't wanna work. :-) C'mon! Read all the "independant" reseach on Microsoft's web sites about how this only ever happens in Linux!!! ttfn John PS: I'm so proud of myself DIdn't say winblows, winsucks or other pegroative even once. :-) Win$uxs but it is my prerogative to use a pejorative, as I like to call it winblows I just write "Windows", since that's the most pejorative word I know; "blows", "sucks" etc. are pretty mild by comparison. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] DANGER!
et wrote: On Monday 19 April 2004 08:11 am, Tina wrote: You know I even read trough it sometimes you best just remember you have to eat my cooking AND I have access to your pc rotflmao Hey TIna,,, come join us over in the OT group... (talk about a time sink) Er - you sure she's ready for that? ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Copying FTP tree
Arys P. Deloso wrote: How do you get an exact copy of an FTP tree with ALL the permissions and time stamps preserved? I tried: 1. draksync BUT it gives up (does nothing) especially when the stuff gets big; AND 2. ncftp with recursive get but recurses only 2 levels down with sub-subdirectories having no contents AND permissions NOT preserved. Is there a much simpler way to do this? I haven't used it, but you might want to check out mirrordir. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Anyone have experience with this tool?
Aron Smith wrote: http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/512350/RIP.html Aron, be careful about your subject lines - that one could get caught by a lot of people's spam filters ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
John Wilson wrote: On April 18, 2004 11:54 pm, Owain Sutton wrote: Surely an oxymoron? I'm trying hard, really hard, but I've yet to install any software as easily as on XP...oh, apart from Mozilla. Now considering that Mozilla installs exactly the same way as every other package in MDK, I'm starting to wonder what problem you are having with everything else. Are you using urpmi or the GUI equivalents called Mandrake Update, Install Software and so on? Because if you are then, like Joe, you'll find that installing software is just as easy, easier in fact, than installing most software in XP and dealing with at least 3 installation packages, often unresolved dependancies that cause XP to hiccup or complain. Oh well..troll away if you must, Owain. A while ago I rebooted into Windows and installed a game. It shows how long it's been since I've used Windows that when the message came up to exit all Windows programs, I was going "Huh? Why?" Then of course, there is the fun of uninstalling Windows software. Hmm, editing the registry to get rid of crap left by botched uninstalls - now _that's_ what I call user-friendly! ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:05:22 +0100 Owain Sutton disseminated the following: I'm trying my hardest to like Linux, but I've found nothing so far that was not easier on XP Not easier, just different. Of course, I have the benefit of hindsight, using MDK for a few years now. Installing software is just as easy, if not easier, but it took me a while to figure that out. I can't think of anything now that is not as 'easy' as it was on XP, or even easier and less prone to bugs. Perhaps you could refresh my memory? ;-) I've only used XP occasionally, and found it rather difficult. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 22:54, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:54:33 -0600 "Steve Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are 100% right and that is where all the problems occurs in getting it all setup and making changes after setup. Bull crap I set up 4 9.2 boxes on our office net with sylpheed and openoffice. Konq as browser. Last fall. Not one complaint from anyone since the first day. Showed them how to mount the fileserver and walked away. There was one complaint. From me. I don't like oo. (Coulda been something to do with the double-barrel shotgun you had layin' across yer lap whilst you were doing the installations and giving instructions on mounting the server, though...) (and OO - well, it's always OO-slow...but it does get the job done.) It's noticably faster in 10.0 (and that's not just because it's a new version of OO, since I was using OO 1.1 under Mdk 9.2). I've grown to appreciate it more over the years, since its early days as Star Office, when SO still had that hideous "do everything under one roof" philosophy which made it take over your entire desktop. I still prefer LyX for my own writing, but I use OO a lot for grading and commenting on student papers - I have a bunch of macros and autotext set up for common operations, which is a big timesaver. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote: I do believe that we will gradually win people over, but the battle is far from won. I'm very confident you're right, Anne. - However, I sometimes get this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my Ferrari ? When the rest of the world starts using Linux, they'll probably be using something like KDE, so you can change your desktop to fvwm to give it that retro-unix look ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!
Job Evers wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:38:30 -0400 JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:52:33 -0400 et disseminated the following: How many people have actually *paid* for XP Pro anyway? There's prolly more pirated copies out there than legit. IIRC, I never forked over a single dime for Windows or any software that ran on it. Then I found out I could go legit(well, okay, the MPAA might have a few issues with me), get a better OS, with all the software I needed, and still not pay a dime. I can see a lot of other people making the same discovery. I unfortunately have two legal copies of XP. One copy came with my Gateway laptop even though I begged them not to put it on there (The CD is still in the original shrink wrap). The other copy was received as part of a 'special' Microsoft was having on campus in which they gave away copies of XP to students. Just about anybody who buys a new computer gets stuck buying a copy of XP! I've managed to avoid XP so far. My previous computer came with the standard - presumably pirated - copy of Win98 (first edition - gaaah!) and my new box came with nothing. To the credit of the people in the shop, they didn't bat an eyelid when I asked for a bare box and specified that all the hardware had to be Linux-compatible. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?
RichardA wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:15 +0100, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 14 April 2004 08:21, RichardA wrote: There are some very angry people on the forums, and I don't blame them. Frustrated, definitely. Angry. No one expects Mandrake to actually communicate to their customers, even before a major restructure of the mirrors, but it seems they all went home for Easter withour fixing it. So much for Mandrake's 'enterprise' ambitions. An unfair and unjustified comment. Try reading the explanation on the Club pages. The situation only developed as people were going home for the holidays. Warly tried to contact the various mirror owners, but they are totally independent of Mandrake, and most of them were unavailable. Oddly enough, they like holidays, too. There is no way that Mandrake employees can guarantee how long it will take mirror owners to sort out this problem. Let's just hope that not too many of them are taking an extended break. Anne I don't think my comment was unfair or unjust. This should have been tested, and there should have been a backout. The mirror maintainers should have been contacted _before_ this change. We all like holidays, but if we work in IT and we break something mission-critical, we stay and work until it is fixed. Their behaviour is acceptable for a hobby distro, but Mandrake are making 'Enterprise' noises. Mandrake is a great distro -- which is why we're all here -- but the company... The best thing the company could do, IMHO, is have someone hang out in this forum, like the much-missed Civileme. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?
John Wilson wrote: [snip] That said, with the exception of one very important update, the rollout of 10CE has been a fairly painless experience for all concerned if traffic on this list is any indication. It's been polished, works and most of the rough edges taken off. What's surprising is how few messages have appeared saying that this release broke something compared to past releases. It broke a few things for me, but I'm not complaining. It was released as a beta, so I expect that. MDK 10 is a high quality bit of software, make no mistake about that. It's even better when we consider that 10CE is a public beta. In fact, it's gorgeous. :-) That 2.6 kernel just hums. At one point I considered going back to 9.2, but I decided to fix what I could, and wait for the official edition for the few remaining problems. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] To distribute a bulletin
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 10:16, mandrake wrote: In Windows I used Opt-In Emailer for sending my club bulletin and infromation or works to my students by e-mail. What program can I use in Mandrake 9.1 for sending e-mails to a list? I use the low-tech approach: set up an account for the course on the server, ask all students to send me a blank mail, then paste the addresses into .forward . Of course this relies on students not posting the address elsewhere and leaving it vulnerable to spambots - it only works on a small scale where you know the users personally. Anything bigger and you probably want to be using something like postfix, but that's definitely not for the newbie, as misconfiguring it can have embarrassing results (like sending your log messages to everyone in your domain). Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?
RichardA wrote: Different update sites seem to have different structures. Also, the Mandrake Club mirrors page doesn't seem to work. What's going on? Which sites are up to date? Wasn't this meant to be fixed by today? Also, how the hell does the new structure work? Everything I read gives different advice. I installed from the 10.0 CE disks. Do I have a choice between: 1) Updating to 10.0 release and then just getting security updates and fixes 2) Following Cooker to 10.1 3) Something in between. If so, what is it? Are the main sources Distribution, Updates and Contrib? If so, where in the new structure are they? Whatever sources I use, I get a curl error message. I live in hope ... Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] From KDE to Fluxbox
Marc Resnick wrote: I'm in the process of switching from KDE to Fluxbox because frankly, KDE crashes on me way too much, and it really reminds me of Winblows. Anyway, I've got fluxbox up. I don't really want to use Mozilla-Thunderbird anymore, or Firefox for that matter, cause those both are a bit weird on me too. Here are my questions: 1. Can Pine get POP3 mail? If so, where do you enter the info? If you have a POP3 mail server, it almost certainly has pine installed, so just telnet to the server, and type "pine". But why would you want to do this, unless you really hanker after the good old green-screen days? The command line is a wonderful tool, but what's wrong with graphical e-mail clients? If you don't like KDE or Mozilla, you might enjoy Sylpheed. 2. Is there a battery monitor for fluxbox? 3. Is there a simple, very stable, browser I can use? Tons. If you want the ultimate in simplicity, stability and speed, then go for Lynx (but of course there are no graphics there). If you want to be really hardcore, Xemacs has browsing capacity, though I strongly advise going down the emacs road - you may need a twelve-step program and interventions from your friends to get you off it. I hear there are clinics for recovering emacs users, but they usually use vi to help them cope with emacs withdrawal, and that can have terrible side-effects ;-) If you want something more like a conventional browser, Opera is OK, but I still can't see what you don't like about Mozilla/Firefox or Konqueror. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] What Does "The Document Contains No Data" Mean?
Stephen Reynolds wrote: On one of my machines running MDK 10.1, Mozilla regularly reports "The Document Contains No Data" when interacting with html forms. Why does Mozilla do this? This is a "feature" which goes right back to th early Netscape days. What it usually means is that there was a timeout connecting to the server, meaning you have to resend your data. A less cryptic error message would have been a good idea. Sir Robin -- "The other major kind of computer is the "Apple", which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use." - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] RPM Installed...Now how do I run the app??
shaz wrote: Hi all, I've just downloaded and installed the "MJPEGTOOLS" RPM. (via URPMI) URPMI says it was all installed successfully. But nowI can't find the program to run it. Usually the name of the RPM is the same as the name of the command to run it, though something with a name like that might be a bundle of commands (like pstricks). Try opening a console and typing "man mjpegtools", or type "mjpeg" and hit the tab key - either a progrma will open or you'll get a list of alternative commands which start with "mjpeg". Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Image viewer
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2004 05:41 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote: On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 16:16, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:35:31 -0500 Tom Brinkman disseminated the following: I use it as my desktop background, slide show, ...and we all can guess what that slideshow is, you DOM! DOM: Unknown word What is that ? Forbidden language ? :-) Josenildo: DOM == Dirty Old Man. Synonyms include reprobate, lecher, pervert. In Brazil, they can be found strolling along the incredible beautiful beaches staring at the even more incredible female occupants. Or so I've heard. And here was innocent little me thinking Tom was calling him a Document Object Model ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10.0...shut down problems
Marc Resnick wrote: Laura Callier wrote: Hello, New to Mandrake. Installed 10.0 from Cheap Bytes discs. So far all is well except there is no auto shut off. When I click shut off, things shut down except for an arrow. I am able to turn it off by using the power button, but would prefer an auto shut off. Does anyone know if 10.0 is designed for auto shut off or if this is a glitch? It could be a bios problem, but wanted to see what experience other have had. Thanks, Laura I'm not quite sure what you mean by "things shut down except for an arrow", but I'm having a similar problem. It doesn't bother me that much, because I rarely shut down, but when I click to shutdown in KDE, I usually have to do it 3 to 4 times before it works. I assume that it's a bug that should be fixed with the Official 10.0 release. I occasionally have the same problem on boot-up. I don't know why it only happens occasionally - used to be Linux developers wrote bugs you could rely on ;-) Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How do I know what version I'm using?
Todd Slater wrote: Boy do I feel dumb. I installed mdk on my mom's computer but I don't remember if it was 9.1 or 9.2. How would I find out? I tried uname -a but that doesn't tell the release number as far as I can tell. Does anything come up on the splash screen at boot? You could also check by looking at the version of just about any package you installed (the kernel being an obvious choice). Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Multimedia in 10.0
et wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2004 02:52 pm, robin wrote: et wrote: On Friday 09 April 2004 09:34 pm, Rory wrote: I'm having similar problems. The MDK LiveCD recognized my soundcard without an issue (as did two other LiveCDs), but MDK 10.0CE won't recognize it and I just haven't had any luck getting it to work, despite that fact that MDK appears to recognize it. On Saturday 10 April 2004 3:30 am, robin wrote: I sit just me, or is multimedia totally screwed up in 10.0? I can't even listen to an audio CD. I sorted out my soundcard after a lot of tweaking some time ago, but now I try to listen to a CD and Xine and KsCD give me no sound, and Totem hangs the system and needs a dirty reboot. Sir Robin which kernel do you boot to? I don't know if you were asking Rory or me. I'm using 2.6 - both it gave me a lot of grief at the beginning, then I hacked /etc/modprobe.conf and it worked fine for a while, except for Totem, which has never worked for me (and a fair few others) in 10.0. hmmm, cause what I read,,,/etc/modprobe.conf is for a 2.4 kernel... and /etc/modprobe.preload is the config for the 2.6 kernel Sorry, that was what I meant (force of habit). but I bet the problem is more along the lines of aRts -vs- alsa -vs- OSS. have you set a timeout for aRts? Yes (68 seconds). Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Multimedia in 10.0
et wrote: On Friday 09 April 2004 09:34 pm, Rory wrote: I'm having similar problems. The MDK LiveCD recognized my soundcard without an issue (as did two other LiveCDs), but MDK 10.0CE won't recognize it and I just haven't had any luck getting it to work, despite that fact that MDK appears to recognize it. On Saturday 10 April 2004 3:30 am, robin wrote: I sit just me, or is multimedia totally screwed up in 10.0? I can't even listen to an audio CD. I sorted out my soundcard after a lot of tweaking some time ago, but now I try to listen to a CD and Xine and KsCD give me no sound, and Totem hangs the system and needs a dirty reboot. Sir Robin which kernel do you boot to? I don't know if you were asking Rory or me. I'm using 2.6 - it gave me a lot of grief at the beginning, then I hacked /etc/modprobe.conf and it worked fine for a while, except for Totem, which has never worked for me (and a fair few others) in 10.0. Last night the whole audio side went doolally, but (after rebooting) it's working fine this morning (at least KsCD is - I'm not touching Totem any more). I think it was probably a dodgy CD causing Xine to leave a zombie process somewhere (naturally I tested with a different CD, but maybe the old one left some crap in the system). What I find puzzling about 10.0 in general is not that some things don't work - I expect that, particularly since it is essentially a beta. However, my experience with Linux to date has been that things either work or they don't - there's no "works sometimes" (that's something I associate with that other OS). My experience with trying to get wvdial to run on boot is similar. Sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Seems Sun and Microsoft are making nice nice...slightly OT
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 07:20, robin wrote: ...just wonder what type of resource it's going to require...and how fast it'll run on my sad little AMD XP2000... Well, if you thought KDE was resource-hungry Sir Robin Cray-DE and Guh-nome can't live in my world. Dog-awful slow. Like a herd of turtles crossing a plain of peanut butter. In the winter. The screenshots DID look rather interesting, but doing things from an xterm in 3D just don't sound right. Although there will be a Linux version, I get the impression that the main target initially will be Solaris, and the kind of people who run Solaris generally have more CPU cycles than they know what to do with. For the rest of us, the mere fact that it's written in Java sounds ominous. Q: How many Java programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: As many as Sun can throw at it. They change it with lightning speed, but now there's a ten second delay between flipping the switch and the light coming on. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Billy aint the richest man anymore...
Bob Read wrote: frankieh wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-239838.html?legacy=cnet Now we just have to get him below the top 100 and we'll be on our way... Maybe we should work to get Linus onto the list?? :-) Strange -- the Headline at the top of the article shows: "Gates loses title as world's richest man Last modified: April 28, 2000, 6:30 PM PDT" Bad javascript? Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Seems Sun and Microsoft are making nice nice...slightly OT
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 01:30, robin wrote: Any see the demo of the new 3D Java desktop? http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70042PiZ42XOk0120003Z3_042PiZ0mKH71KHB4 Sexy! Sir Robin ...just wonder what type of resource it's going to require...and how fast it'll run on my sad little AMD XP2000... Well, if you thought KDE was resource-hungry Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Seems Sun and Microsoft are making nice nice...slightly OT
frankieh wrote: John Wilson wrote: Well, isn't this just amazing! http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/04/1081017033695.html Seems Sun might have switched sidesagain. ttfn John Its not that they have changed sides... its more that they have just realised that they don't have the cash to fight in court indefinately, whereas M$ does.. so they settled for a big chunk of change. An upside is that all future versons of windows, including service packs for existing ones.. will have Suns Java instead of M$ VM. Meaning that all those banking sites that only work with M$ VM will not work on those OS's... and if they get fixed to work with the sun java on win, they will work for us on linux as well. And Sun will still be competing with M$ on servers and on the desktop.. so really all they did was give up on the case about M$ playing around with Java Any see the demo of the new 3D Java desktop? http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70042PiZ42XOk0120003Z3_042PiZ0mKH71KHB4 Sexy! Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Automatically disconnecting
Keith Powell wrote: Robin. I would like some more help, please! You say that the WVDIAL binary is on the mirrors for downloading. I run Mandrake9.2 and it's not on my contrib, eslrahc, mpol, NORLUG-9.2, or plf sources. Where is it, please? I have Googled for it and can only find tarballs, not any binaries for Mandrake. I would rather use a binary than a tarball. IIRC, on 9.2 it was on one of the distro CDs. In 10.0 I couldn't find it there, but found it one on of the mirrors (main, not contrib). You can also find binaries at rpmfind.net Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Automatically disconnecting
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 13:28, Keith Powell wrote: I have been looking to see if it is possible to get KPPP to automatically disconnect a dial-up Internet connection after a certain amount of time (say, 3 minutes) of inactivity. Having searched all through the various Internet configuration files, I can't find a way of doing it. Disconnection appears to only to be able to be done manually. If our dial-up connections could be set to be automatically terminated, it would be a help. It would mean that we could leave the computer downloading something, knowing that the connection would be terminated a few minutes after the download had finished, rather than having to watch for the download to finish. Any ideas, please, anyone? Many thanks Keith Also how about whenever a connection is required that kppp starts and auto dials the ISP in addition to the above? I think the app you're all looking for is wvdial. You can set it to log you in automatically (even with ISPs that use terminal-based authentication), reconnect automatically, disconnect if idle for a specified period of time and a whole load of other stuff. It's not on the 10.0 CDs, but is on the mirrors. Just download it and edit /etc/wvdial.conf to your needs. No GUI required. The only glitch is that it normally only runs as root. There are three ways round this (other than doing "su" of course): 1. Make it suid (never tried this); 2. Change permissions of wvdial, wvdial.conf and /dev/modem (or whichever device your system works); 3. Have it started automatically on boot (this used to work fine on 9.2, but is rather flaky on 10.0 - sometimes it works, mostly it doesn't). Obviously you don't want to try option 3 if you're on a pay-per-minute connection! It's probably not advisable for situations where security is a major issue, such as a server, but then how many people run servers via a modem? Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] /dev/ppp problem
robin wrote: Under 9.2 I could connect to the Internet on boot by adding "/usr/bin/wvdial" to /etc/rc.local. However, under 10.0 it won't connect, and /var/log/daemons/errors gives the following: Mar 31 18:15:03 localhost pppd[4425]: Couldn't set pass-filter in kernel: Invalid argument Mar 31 18:35:29 localhost pppd[3984]: pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device. You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by executing the following command as root: ^Imknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 Running mknod gives the error that /dev/ppp already exists, and the file is impossible to move or remove. Any ideas what I should do? Don't worry - it seems to have sorted itself out, though I have no idea why. A couple of reboots did the trick (I know rebooting loses you Linux credibility points, but when you're dealing with running services at boot, it's necessary). That's the thing I like about Linux - usually the system is smarter than I am. Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] /dev/ppp problem
Under 9.2 I could connect to the Internet on boot by adding "/usr/bin/wvdial" to /etc/rc.local. However, under 10.0 it won't connect, and /var/log/daemons/errors gives the following: Mar 31 18:15:03 localhost pppd[4425]: Couldn't set pass-filter in kernel: Invalid argument Mar 31 18:35:29 localhost pppd[3984]: pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device. You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by executing the following command as root: ^Imknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 Running mknod gives the error that /dev/ppp already exists, and the file is impossible to move or remove. Any ideas what I should do? Sir Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]
Chuck Mattsen wrote: On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 13:50, Anne Wilson wrote: If you are dual booting you really need a fat32 partition for data, so that it can safely be read and written to by both OSs. You should also have a separate partition for /home, as you do not want to lose everything under home if things go wrong and you have to reinstall or want to upgrade. Swap need not be more than 512MB. HTH Is it better to set up that FAT32 partition for data from the Windows side of things, or from the Linux side, or does it make any difference in the long run? In other words, if it becomes, say, an "F:" drive within Windows, is that the same as creating it as, say, "/data" from within Linux, or are there some gotchas in this process? Paranoid, as always, and certainly not used to the whole partitioning "thang" ... TIA Makes no difference, AFAIK. The way I did it last time I set up a dual boot system was to install Windows (which always insists on being installed first) with only one partition, then install Mandrake with a FAT32 partition next to Windows (i.e. /hda2), then divide the rest of the disk between my various Linux partitions. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Still no sound
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 14:38, robin wrote: ...and it's safe to assume that you've tried other drivers - like forcing ALSA? How would I do that? Sir Robin Is there not a means by which - such as in 9.1 - to change the driver in MCC/Hardware to utilise a different driver for sound (or any other bit of hardware)? There's a choice of two for VIA, and neither of them worked. But as I posted recently, I got sound working somehow (I think it was when I was fiddling with /etc/modprobe.conf). Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Although I'm a Club Silver Member, I haven't been able to get my hands on Acrobat Reader or RealPlayer, but I can live with that. The old versions of commercial software should work on 10.0 - certainly RealPlayer does, as I've just installed it. One exception is the nVidia drivers, for which you have to download the latest versions. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
Asa Rossoff wrote: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> exclaimed, I haven't forgotten, Charlie. As has happened once or twice before, you got the backlash when I'm feeling fed up about people who know very little about the os installing what is still, really, cooker, then complaining. Sorry. You didn't deserve that. Hi Anne. I'm new to Mandrake, and new to Linux even... but my impression from the Mandrake's announcement of the Community Edition's purpose was that the C.E. could be expected to be _as reliable_ as the standard releases of the past -- and the new final edition would be even _more reliable_. So if I had tried to install 10.0 without reading the posts of other users' tribulations, I would have probably been surprised and dissapointed to find it buggier than 9.2 was out of the box. As it is, I didn't put myself through that :) .. I'm still trying to get 9.2 running smoothly. It's hard to judge on just one release, since there's always variation between releases anyway (9.1 was a PITA for me, as was 8.1 - if I were superstitious, I'd definitely give 10.1 a skip). For me, installing 10.0 was a doddle, but configuring it gave me more fun than anything since RedHat 6.0 (Oh, those happy days of hacking modelines!). Still, I'd say the Community Edition is for the established community, not for anyone trying out Linux for the first time. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Still no sound
Charles A Edwards wrote: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:46:54 -0500 robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's what /etc/modules.conf says If you are running any of the 2.6.x kernels, they use modprobe.conf and modprobe.preload Not modules.conf Hah! That was it - thanks. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Still no sound
Frans Ketelaars wrote: On Sunday 21 March 2004 03:46, robin wrote: OK, having installed 10.0, I now have supermount sorted out and (fingers crossed) nvidia drivers working. But I still have no sound. This is with the notorious onboard VIA chip. I've run through the troubleshooting process (not that I could understand much of what it told me) and followed all the advice on the Twiki, but still no sound. Here's what /etc/modules.conf says probeall scsi_hostadapter sata_via probeall usb-interface usb-uhci ehci-hcd alias agpgart via-agp above snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2 (the last line was one I added after reading the Twiki) The relevant parts of the lsmod output are snd-seq-oss31264 0 snd-seq-midi-event 7552 1 snd-seq-oss snd-seq51248 4 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event snd-pcm-oss51812 0 snd-mixer-oss 17824 1 snd-pcm-oss snd-via82xx23648 0 snd-pcm93220 2 snd-pcm-oss,snd-via82xx snd-timer 24516 2 snd-seq,snd-pcm snd-ac97-codec 57540 1 snd-via82xx gameport4480 1 snd-via82xx snd-page-alloc 11972 2 snd-via82xx,snd-pcm snd-mpu401-uart 7072 1 snd-via82xx snd-rawmidi23616 1 snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-device 8008 3 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-rawmidi snd52580 12 snd-seq-oss,snd The only thing that I can think of looking at this is that OSS isn't playing nice with ALSA. "/sbin/chkconfig list --sound" and "--alsa" give sound 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off It's not a KDE thing, since sound doesn't work in IceWM either, and it's not a hardware thing, as it works in that other operating system. Sir Robin Do applications 'seem' to play (progress indicator, terminating after a reasonable time)? Yes. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Still no sound
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 13:46, robin wrote: OK, having installed 10.0, I now have supermount sorted out and (fingers crossed) nvidia drivers working. But I still have no sound. This is with the notorious onboard VIA chip. I've run through the troubleshooting process (not that I could understand much of what it told me) and followed all the advice on the Twiki, but still no sound. Here's what /etc/modules.conf says The only thing that I can think of looking at this is that OSS isn't playing nice with ALSA. It's not a KDE thing, since sound doesn't work in IceWM either, and it's not a hardware thing, as it works in that other operating system. Sir Robin ...and it's safe to assume that you've tried other drivers - like forcing ALSA? How would I do that? Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Still no sound
OK, having installed 10.0, I now have supermount sorted out and (fingers crossed) nvidia drivers working. But I still have no sound. This is with the notorious onboard VIA chip. I've run through the troubleshooting process (not that I could understand much of what it told me) and followed all the advice on the Twiki, but still no sound. Here's what /etc/modules.conf says probeall scsi_hostadapter sata_via probeall usb-interface usb-uhci ehci-hcd alias agpgart via-agp above snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2 (the last line was one I added after reading the Twiki) The relevant parts of the lsmod output are snd-seq-oss31264 0 snd-seq-midi-event 7552 1 snd-seq-oss snd-seq51248 4 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event snd-pcm-oss51812 0 snd-mixer-oss 17824 1 snd-pcm-oss snd-via82xx23648 0 snd-pcm93220 2 snd-pcm-oss,snd-via82xx snd-timer 24516 2 snd-seq,snd-pcm snd-ac97-codec 57540 1 snd-via82xx gameport4480 1 snd-via82xx snd-page-alloc 11972 2 snd-via82xx,snd-pcm snd-mpu401-uart 7072 1 snd-via82xx snd-rawmidi23616 1 snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-device 8008 3 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-rawmidi snd52580 12 snd-seq-oss,snd The only thing that I can think of looking at this is that OSS isn't playing nice with ALSA. "/sbin/chkconfig list --sound" and "--alsa" give sound 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off It's not a KDE thing, since sound doesn't work in IceWM either, and it's not a hardware thing, as it works in that other operating system. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Supermount in 10.0
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 20 March 2004 08:52 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: 10.0 should not be using Supermount for the CD-ROMs any longer. There is a new version called magicdev that performs the same function as supermount, it automatically mounts removable media when inserted. Yes, but this isn't quite the whole story. Supermount-ng in the latest kernels is a better solution than magicdev. Even the Mandrake developers involved have said so on the cooker ML, an alluded to the fact that making magicdev the default wasn't their preference. So they suggested, and many cooker'rs have: urpme magicdev supermount -i enable mount -a A search of the cooker archive should clear it up. Most cooker'rs like myself updated daily to 10.0+, an so never had magicdev installed. So at best it's very much untested. Bugs have been filed on it tho, search bugzilla. Most common bug was that it wouldn't release the CD tray, and/or recognize when a media was inserted. Thanks - I uninstalled magicdev, turned on supermount and everything was back to normal. Now if I can get sound and my nvidia drivers working, I'll be a happy little Robin! Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:22:50 -0500 Lee Wiggers disseminated the following: I accidently upgraded the laptop last week. LOL! I hate it when that happens. Yer walkin' by the comp with the ISO's, trip, the CD goes flying into the drive, and on the way down you hit 'enter'. I downloaded the 10.0 ISOs a while ago, and I am concentrating my willpower on refraining from upgrading until I have some free time to do the install and sort out any glitches. But those files are sitting there on my hard drive saying "Burn, baby, burn!" Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know where he shops. M$ OSs for $50? XP Pro is £98.25 here. Maybe he was quoting OEM prices. Here in Turkey, Windows costs around $2 (Mandrake costs a bit more, because there are more CDs). To quote a local comedy show, "Please don't use the word 'pirate'. We are art distributors." Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the 'reasonable price' is still high for many people? Not that I'm cynical, or anything, but being realistic, a commercial company gets what it can for its products. That's true, but I think in this case the objection is that they are using their monopoly position. There was a similar brouhaha about British Telecom shortly after it was privatised, IIRC. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MP3 -> audio CD
JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:21:20 +0200 robin disseminated the following: Can anyone recommend a program to make normal audio CDs from a bunch of mp3s? Googling found me a program which retails at $799. For that, I wouldn't want a program to make CDs, I'd want a program that could model Gollum. 1. Put MP3z in dir. 2. Open a term in dir. 3. for i in *.mp3; do mv "$i" `echo $i | tr ' ' '_'`;done; 4. for i in *.mp3; do lame --decode $i `basename $i .mp3`.wav; done; 5. normalize -m * 6. Fire up GCombust, drag WAV files to Audio Files tab, order how you want, burn. Tip: in .bashrc add these lines: # mp3 functions function mp3dec() { for i in *.mp3; do lame --decode $i `basename $i .mp3`.wav; done; } function mp3ren() { for i in *.mp3; do mv "$i" `echo $i | tr ' ' '_'`;done; } Mind the line wrap, of course. Then lines 3 and 4 are just mp3ren, then mp3dec. Thanks, this was the kind of thing I was looking for. Sir Robin -- "Have you googled yet?" "Willow, she's seventeen!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com