from:"Robin"

OOzy wrote:
My Internet connection sucks slow and I would like to but LM10 from online.
I found one site that sells (I think the download version) for $8.95. What
do you think? Is there a trustworthy site that you recommend?
Cheapbytes is good.
Sir Robin
--
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of 
acquiring it,
is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both.
- James Madison

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Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...

Asa Rossoff wrote:
From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Op Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:53:04 -0700 schreef Asa Rossoff:

Which of the scripted languages run fastest, and which use ram most
efficiently?
The languages I know (just) a bit about are Perl, Python, and Tcl.
I don't know Perl or Tcl. I always try to get things going in Bash shell
scripts, and if that does not work I use Python. Python is screamingly
fast (did you know that Walt Disney studios switched to Python for
generating their cartoon movies because of the speed?).
I once wrote a Python program that interacts with a MySQL database and
uses TKInter/Tcl as a graphical interface to users, and that is very
fast. I never looked at memory efficiency, but so far I have not found
any drawbacks.
At my work we are now using Python to run equipment interfaces in a
semiconductor factory for some mission critical operations. I think that
accounts for something.

This is helpful, thanks.My reason for being concerned about both speed
and memory are that currently my hardware is on the ancient side (P200 56MB
ram), and secondly, I know those issues are both of great consequence in
larger scale operations, like on web servers and heavy data analysis.
I used to write Perl stuff on a similar machine. Compared with the 
amount of memory something like OpenOffice eats, any script you write in 
any language will have a minimal impact on system resources. You'd 
probably only notice the difference if you were using the box as a web 
server running data-crunching CGI applications that turned out to be 
popular enough to have a number of people accessing them at the same 
time, or if you use humunguous arrays or hashes (for example if you 
write a program that involves putting every definition in the Oxford 
English Dictionary into a hash, then don't expect to get your search 
results quickly!).

If you decide to go for Perl, mail me off list and I'll give you some 
pointers (well Perl usually calls them references - pointers is more 
of a C thing ;-)). I'm not an expert, just a guy who uses it for simple 
practical applications, but that's probably an advantage.

BTW, I'm not trying to start a Perl/Python war here. Apart from anything 
else, if we get going on that, those weirdo Ruby hackers will join in ;-)

Sir Robin
--
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of 
acquiring it,
is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both.
- James Madison

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Re: [newbie] Bad signature

Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:32 am, OOzy wrote:
I tried to install libsvga... but it told me bad signature. I
clicked yes. Is that a problem? Please see below
urpmi libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm
The following packages have bad signatures:
libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm: Invalid signature ((SHA1) DSA
sha1 md5 (GPG) (MISSING KEY) GPG#78d019f5 NOT OK)
Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
installing libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...
##
  1:libsvgalib1
##

   Bad signatures are almost never a problem.  I avoid these 
warnings by havin the below at the beginning of
   /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg

{
  verify-rpm: 0
  downloader: wget
}
which ignores signatures and uses wget rather than curl
Thanks Tom - I wish I'd known that before I did urpmi --auto-select than 
spent ages hitting Y-Return! For some strange reason, the 10.0 Official 
Cds I burnt all had bad signatures.

Sir Robin
--
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of 
acquiring it,
is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both.
- James Madison

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Re: [newbie] Can't download LM10

Ali Fay wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 03:20, robin wrote:
OOzy wrote:
My Internet connection sucks slow and I would like to but LM10 from online.
I found one site that sells (I think the download version) for $8.95. What
do you think? Is there a trustworthy site that you recommend?
Cheapbytes is good.
Sir Robin

Surely someone could send you a copy for less than that! Hell, where's
this community spirit! I've got a whole stack of blank cd-r's, and a
copy of LM10 Official! Why pay an online company, who would probably
charge you postage as well as 8.95... I am in the UK, and would happily
send you a copy, provided you covered the postage costs - I'll chuck in
the cds and my time, as they are worth so little :)
Good thinking! I recently gave a colleague a set of 10.0 CDs after he'd 
expressed an interest in Linux (I also offered to come over and help 
install it, but theinstallation worked flawlessly, so I wasn't 
required). He gave me a copy of of C in 21 Days (not much use at the 
moment, as I'm in heavy Perl mode, but it could be a good Summer read).

Sir Robin
--
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of 
acquiring it,
is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both.
- James Madison

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Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...

2004-06-20 Per discussione robin

frankieh wrote:
Asa Rossoff wrote:
From: OOzy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Asa Rossoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

..
Which of the scripted languages run fastest, and which use ram most
efficiently?
The languages I know (just) a bit about are Perl, Python, and Tcl.

It really depends on personal preference. PHP is popular and rich. I 
don't
know about Perl, Python and Tcl. I think these languages are for 
gurus. If

I
were you I will go for PHP.

I have some past programming experience, and am not afraid of a challenge
for something worthwhile.
My impression is that the currently popular and modern backends for 
web work
are PHP and Python.  Is PHP meant to be used outside of web work?

You can write PHP scritps for admin stuff, but they are slow...  the 
only reason PHP is fast is because it runs inside the web server,
(like mod_perl)  PHP is not really good for admin stuff, it was never 
designed to be used like that. Perl was, in fact a good many of the 
install screens and tools you saw on install of Mandrake were Perl 
scripts, and so are some of the tools you use to maintain the box.

I use Perl for large scale web apps. (using a framework and templating 
system like CGI::Application and HTML::Template) and I also use  a ton 
of small admin scripts to do backend stuff on the boxes.

Python is cool, but I don't know it all that well, Perl is far an away 
my favorite scripting language, and a look around search.cpan.org will 
show you why.

One thing I like about Perl is its versatility. Although it rose to fame 
as a text manipulation tool, as franki points out, the vast number of 
modules available these days means that you can use it for almost 
anything (well, anything you can use a scripting language for - I've not 
heard of anyone writing a lightning-fast first-person shooter in Perl).

Note that although Tk tends to be associated with Tcl, it also works 
well in Perl. There are other good scripting languages as well; I'm not 
knocking Python or Ruby, but Perl has the advantages of thousands of 
dedicated hackers working on it for well over a decade now. It's like 
the C of scripting languages.

Sir Robin
--
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] Good Practice

2004-06-17 Per discussione robin

OOzy wrote:
What is a good practice?? Is it to install programs from source or RPM?
It depends (no pun intended) on a number of things, such as your level 
of expertise, the amount of time you have, whether you are installing a 
package designed for the distro and version you are using and so on. I 
install from RPMs when I can, and from source if there is no RPM or I 
run into trouble.

A couple of tips:
1. When installing from a binary RPM, use the urpmi command (not rpm 
-i), as this will try to install any dependencies. Usually it does a 
pretty good job.

2. When installing from source, use a source RPM rather than a tarball 
if possible. Compling a source RPM will give you a binary RPM which you 
install, and this will make sure that things go in the right places and 
can be uninstalled easily.

3. If you want to install a package for which there is no RPM, you have 
some time on your hands, and you feel like contributing to the 
community, make an RPM from it. It's not as easy as just doing 
configure-make-make install, but it's not rocket science either.

Sir Robin
--
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] Shame on Adobe

2004-06-17 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 00:09, OOzy wrote:
I just downloaded Acrobat 5; I was really surprised. It seems that Adobe
did not put any effort for the Linux version. 

Wouldn't it be nice? Then again, you're talking about Adobe - the same
company the grudged coming into the PC world from the Mac world - IN
TIME they will see a market share for Adobe products on the GNU/linux
platform - but until MicroSuck starts to crumble in the marketshare,
they'll only give us GNU/linux freaks a taste and that's all.
BTW, xpdf works faster anyways...
Kghostview is also very nice.
Sir Robin
--
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] I can't send e-mails

2004-06-16 Per discussione robin

Josenildo Marques wrote:
Hi.
I installed 10.0. Installation was as smooth as it could be and I like
it.
However, I've got a problem with Evolution: it gives the following
error message when I try to send an e-mail
Erro ao executar operação:
Falhou RCPT TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A transação falhou
I can get messages. The only message that got through was one I sent
to myself. Strange, isn't it?
Any help appreciated.
TIA
Are you sure you have SMTP set up correctly?
Sir Robin
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] printing - man files info files.

2004-06-13 Per discussione robin

Johan Sch wrote:
Hi list,
printing man files I do this .. man grub | col -b | lpr  .. which is ok.
but..
Please how can info files be printed, they seem to have more detail.
You can send them directly to lpr too, but I use a2ps for printing out 
both man and info pages (and indeed most text documents). The basic 
command is:

info grub | a2ps -t grub
This will print it out in two virtual pages, with the title grub. 
There are a lot of options for both commands, so first look at

info info
and
info a2ps
The first can select which nodes you want to print, and the second will 
give you lots of printing options.

Sir Robin
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] Good PHP Editor

2004-06-12 Per discussione robin

Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
yankl wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2004 08:35 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 

OOzy wrote:
  

Hi all
I know that I am asking alot of dump questions but I have to. I am
switching from MS Win to Linux and I need to have all functionality of
windows in Linux.
Any how anybody knows a good PHP Editor?

Have you tried Quanta Plus?  I like it.
  

Actually it is loaded question. Are you looking for something that 
have PHP syntax highlight? Then I like bluefish. If you are looking 
for IDE Kdevelopment have capability for PHP development.

Quanta Plus has PHP syntax highlighting and code auto-completion with a 
less dramtic learning curve than KDevelop.
Agreed. I've been playing around with KDevelop, but it's really overkill 
for PHP, Perl etc. Looks like it might be good for C/C++ developers, though.

Sir Robin
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] What is Cooker?

2004-06-12 Per discussione robin

OOzy wrote:
What is the difference between cooker programs and regular once?
Cooker is Mandrake-in-progress: it's where developers send packages and 
users test them. Eventually Cooker becomes the Community edition, which 
is tested more widely, and this then becomes the Official version.

In other words, stay away from Cooker for a while! Later, you might want 
to help test it by setting it up on a separate partition (or even a 
separate computer).

Sir Robin
--
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] libcrypto.so.0

2004-06-11 Per discussione robin

OOzy wrote:
Do I have to download it or is it part of My LM9.2 Distro? 
If you tried to install glimmer with urpmi, and it wouldn't install 
lybcrypto automatically, then it isn't in your distro. Of course you may 
be trying to install a more recent version of glimmer which requires a 
more recent version of libcrypto, in which installing an earlier version 
might solve your problem.

The best place to look for these things is http://rpmfind.net.
Sir Robin
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] Email Client

2004-06-10 Per discussione robin

Chipo Hamayobe wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Anders Lind wrote:
What is a good email client beside Evolution?

try pine
I don't go for these new-fangled clients - it's elm for me ;-)
Sir Robin
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Dawn - BtVS

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Editions

2004-06-10 Per discussione robin

Curt wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:05:30 +0300
PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:48, OOzy wrote:
What is the difference between the Download Edition and the one
you buy from the shop?
OOzy

Box, disks, manuals, support.
Plus less money goes to mandrake than if you download it  join the
club.

Several proprietary programs also ... if I'm not mistaken
Only if you buy the Powerpack, I think.
Sir Robin
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mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Dawn - BtVS

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[newbie] A friend with sympa problems

2004-06-07 Per discussione robin

I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is?
Hello,
I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message...
Do you know what to do?
Thank you
Christophe
 Original Message 
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.
The Postfix program
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450
   Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply
   to RCPT TO command)

Reporting-MTA: dns; labris2.ttnet.net.tr
Arrival-Date: Wed,  2 Jun 2004 06:42:14 +0300 (EEST)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 4.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450
Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply
to RCPT TO command)

Subject:
subscribe newbie
From:
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Date:
Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:42:16 +0300
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [newbie] Title of 8.2 disks?

2004-06-07 Per discussione robin

Eric Scott wrote:
 Yo;
  I'm a fairly novice Linux user, though I've used Mandrake, RedHat, and
YellowDog limitedly over the last couple years.  I have Mandrake 9.1
installed on this particular box, but I have a program or two that I
want to install from my ol' Mandrake 8.2 CD's.  I prefer to use
Mandrake's software installations utility, as I don't know the name of
the RPM that I'm trying to install and it would take a lifetime to find
it by browsing/searching the disks. :-P  Being new to Linux, I don't
know how to find the title of a given CD.  Mandrake's control center
wants me to enter the disk name into the library thingy for me to be
able to install from the 8.2 disks.  Anywho, the point is, I want to
install to 9.1 from 8.2 disks with the control center installation
utility.
You can enter any name you like.
Sir Robin
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Re: [newbie] OpenOfficeWrite

2004-06-03 Per discussione robin

Lee Wiggers wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:08:15 +
Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:56:50 +
Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm stuck using oo in the office because I got everyone else
started on it.  Hoisted on my own somethingorother.
OO 1.1.0 on mdk 9.2
Only on 'my' oo installation, the default save format is .doc. 
I can't change it in the options menu, although I can change
to.sxw at the time of a save.

I changed Netscape Navigator to HTML 3.2 in another section of
optionsjust to change something and the change worked.
Still couldn't get rid of the .doc save, though.
Any ideas?  (Going to the oo list is not an option.  It's up to
you.)
I would suspect foul play if anyone here were savvy enough.  Am
I to be subjected to a lifetime of .doc clutter in my hd? sigh
Lee

Robin's Delete 'em all and let God sort it out approach struck
me as appropriate.
Try that in Windows, Bill.
Thanks all for the response.
Lee

\
Continuing tale.
Deleted /home/.openoffice
Started oowriter
Still can't change .doc save.
I know this is a conspiracy.
I went over to my brother's machine, changed the default to .doc,
changed it back to .sxw and every time when I left and came back,
the default was where I left it.
On my machine, .doc rules.  Period.
Is this possible?
Try running setup as root first. I'm not sure where it will be on your 
system - if you used the Mandrake RPM, it's probably 
/usr/lib/openoffice/setup.  Then wipe your ~/.openoffice directory again 
and run as user.

Another idea - have you had a look at the file associations for whatever 
desktop environment(s) you are using? It's a very long shot, but it's 
remotely possible that if OO is associated with .doc files and nothing 
else, it's getting the message that you want .doc files. Sounds absurd, 
but it's the only other theory I can come up with.

Sir Robin
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Re: [newbie] OpenOfficeWrite

2004-06-02 Per discussione robin

Lee Wiggers wrote:
I'm stuck using oo in the office because I got everyone else started
on it.  Hoisted on my own somethingorother.
OO 1.1.0 on mdk 9.2
Only on 'my' oo installation, the default save format is .doc.  I
can't change it in the options menu, although I can change to .sxw
at the time of a save.
I changed Netscape Navigator to HTML 3.2 in another section of
optionsjust to change something and the change worked.
Still couldn't get rid of the .doc save, though.
Any ideas?  (Going to the oo list is not an option.  It's up to
you.)
I would suspect foul play if anyone here were savvy enough.  Am I to
be subjected to a lifetime of .doc clutter in my hd? sigh
The answer is probably hidden somewhere in ~/.openoffice. Rather than 
spending hours hunting through the config files, though, it's proabbly 
easier to back up anything in there you need (macros, templates, 
autotext etc.) and delete the whole lot, so you when you next run OO, it 
will give you a brand new configuration directory with the standard 
settings.

Sir Robin
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Re: [newbie] Re: Installing tar for winmodem

2004-05-31 Per discussione robin

Flemming wrote:
I have mandrake 9.2, p4 1024mb ram, WinFast A180 DDR.
I also have a Winmodem installed which is not recognised by Mandrake. I
downloaded a TAR driver.
How do I install?
With any tatball the procedure is:
1. Open a terminal.
2. Change directory to where the tarball is e.g.
cd downloads/packages
3. Unpack the tarball
tar -xvf winmodem.tar
(change to the name of your package)
or if it's zipped:
tar -xvf winmodem.tar.gz
4. This will probably create a new directory, so cd into that and look 
for a fill called README, INSTALL or something. Type

less README
and see what it says. You should find instructions to procede further.
5. Nine times out of ten, the next stage is to type (as root)
configure
make
make install
Hope this helps,
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Re: [newbie] web based database program

2004-05-30 Per discussione robin

Eric Huff wrote:
What are your favorites for web based database programs?
I have a project where i will have many items, each with a bunch of
keywords, and i need to be able to search for all items containing a
keyword, sort them by other keywords, blah blah blah.  It will be
accessed on the web (or thru a browser, at least), and will have the
normal friendly gui interface of so many sites.
What are good choices for this?
I am still very new to running progs on the web other than simple
php, etc.  I'm good at programming, so i'll learn what i need to,
but my problem is always find the good programs/languages to start
with...
The best thing is probably to use MySQL for your data, then scour 
Sourceforge and Freshmeat for a front-end that suits your needs (most of 
them are PHP, so you can hack them to your heart's content).

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[newbie] OT: Really dumb Sourceforge question

2004-05-29 Per discussione robin

This is embarrassing. It's been so long since I did anything with my 
Sourceforge site, I've forgotten how to use it. Specifically, I can't 
remember how to upload files, and the help pages are pretty unhelpful. 
Can anyone here who has a SF account remind me of what I'm supposed to do?

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Re: [newbie] OT: Really dumb Sourceforge question

2004-05-29 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 06:27, robin wrote:
This is embarrassing. It's been so long since I did anything with my 
Sourceforge site, I've forgotten how to use it. Specifically, I can't 
remember how to upload files, and the help pages are pretty unhelpful. 
Can anyone here who has a SF account remind me of what I'm supposed to do?

Sir Robin the Shamefaced

You're not joking, are you?
No, I'm not! I keep going round in circles!
I've uploaded the file to /incoming, but I can't seem to link to it.
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Re: [newbie] OT: Really dumb Sourceforge question

2004-05-29 Per discussione robin

robin wrote:
Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 06:27, robin wrote:
This is embarrassing. It's been so long since I did anything with my 
Sourceforge site, I've forgotten how to use it. Specifically, I can't 
remember how to upload files, and the help pages are pretty 
unhelpful. Can anyone here who has a SF account remind me of what I'm 
supposed to do?

Sir Robin the Shamefaced

You're not joking, are you?

No, I'm not! I keep going round in circles!
I've uploaded the file to /incoming, but I can't seem to link to it.
OK, I did it in the end - sorry for wasting bandwidth.
I reckon the Sourceforge philosophy is that if you're clever enough to 
code, you should be clever enough to find your way through their 
labyrinthine site.

BTW, this is a simple text concordancing Perl script - it's at 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/perlconc if anyone's interested.

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Re: [newbie] Remote Kontact

2004-05-27 Per discussione robin

Marc Lijour wrote:
Le May 26, 2004 12:35 pm, robin a écrit :
Klemens Arro wrote:
Hy,
I was wondering if there is a way to use my Kontact over web. So I could
read my mail, check my appointments, view my contacts, read notes etc.
over web?
I think you need an LDAP-enabled server. There's something about it in
the KOrganizer Help pages.

Isn't it a IMAP server instead (or POP3)?
Security options to investigate:
 - use POP3s (secure)
- use SSH tunnel
IMAP for mail, LDAP for remote calendars, IIRC.
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Re: [newbie] Remote Kontact

2004-05-26 Per discussione robin

Klemens Arro wrote:
Hy,
I was wondering if there is a way to use my Kontact over web. So I could read 
my mail, check my appointments, view my contacts, read notes etc. over web?
I think you need an LDAP-enabled server. There's something about it in 
the KOrganizer Help pages.

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Re: [newbie] Community to Official?

2004-05-25 Per discussione robin

Thujan wrote:
Hi,
I have red lot about people wanting to update
their mdk10 Community to mdk10 Official?
Is there any valid reason to do that?
Does one get newer software with the Official than
with the Community?
I have been very happy with the 10.0 Community
so far everything works with my laptop even software
suspend.
Now I'm wondering do I really have some reason that
I do not know why I should update to Official sources?
Why to change Official?
If it ain't broken, don't fix it. As far as I can tell, there are no 
major upgrades in Official, just bugfixes. I'd recommend installing 
security-related updates, though.

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Re: [newbie] OT: annoying spam filters

2004-05-24 Per discussione robin

Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Sunday 23 May 2004 09:43 pm, Paul Kaplan wrote:
I'm looking into a problem my high school reunion chair is having.
Apparently most of his e-mails to the class are not making it to classmates
with known active e-addresses.  Since the e-mail has ~200 names on the
To: list, I suspect it's being picked up as spam by some ISP bent on
blocking our class reunion.
Does anyone know if my hypothesis is reasonable and how one might get
around such a filter (other than by sending 200 e-mails)?

Possible it is not making it off of the original mail server.  Postfix has 
rules that can be implemented that limit the number of recipients.  I am 
fairly certain that other MTA's do as well.

There are a number of email packages that allow you to create distribution 
lists, each email would go out to a single address, but everyone on the 
distribution list would get a copy.  He might want to look into getting such 
a package.

However, he/she should probably insure that the mail is 100% opt-in/solicited, 
regardless of what the subject might be.  If the recipients did not actively 
solicit the contact, high school reunion or not, the mail would be considered 
spam and the originating account will probably be forfeit.
I don't think spam filters take this into account (in fact I don't see 
how they could). Since our mail server has started using spamassassin, 
I've had to put in procmail recipes to stop a large number of mail 
services I've opted into from being tagged as spam.

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Re: [newbie] OT: annoying spam filters

2004-05-24 Per discussione robin

Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Monday 24 May 2004 11:24 am, robin wrote:

I don't think spam filters take this into account (in fact I don't see
how they could). Since our mail server has started using spamassassin,
I've had to put in procmail recipes to stop a large number of mail
services I've opted into from being tagged as spam.

Well, spam filters don't yank accounts, ISP's do after they have received 
complaints by recipients that someone is sending out spam from their system.  
I was cautioning him before he gives advice on how to send out mass mailings 
to make sure that they have permission from the recipients.  Or inevitably, 
complaints will follow and accounts will be cancelled, or IP's will get 
blacklisted.  Usually fairly swiftly.
Ah right, I see what you mean. However, I doubt if any of the people on 
this particular list would complain to the ISP, they'd just mail him.

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Re: [newbie] How to fsck your KDE menus, and fix them in one easy lesson

2004-05-23 Per discussione robin

Chris wrote:
I had this experience yesterday and thought I'd throw out to the list how I 
fixed it to.  Hopefully to save someone else the agony I went through. 

I was adding an item to the KDE menu yesterday when I got interupped.  I had 
already added the submenu.  I came back to the system and closed out 
menudrake, forgetting I had a blank submenu sitting there.  Suddenly 
nothing worked on the panel, my KDE Control Center was empty, and the popup 
menu was missing most everything.  Needless to say I paniced.  I could 
still pull up Mozilla so I went searching the archives for missing menus  
Found the answer update-menus -v however, that kept erroring out.  
Finally after studying the output of update-menus I figured out it was 
telling me there was a blank menu entry that was screwing up everything.  I 
reloaded menudrake from the CLI, removed the entry, reran update-menus and 
everything was back as it was before.  So, lesson learned, if you put in a 
menu entry, never leave it blank.  If you're not going to use it, delete 
it.
Thanks for the tip. How about adding it to the wiki?
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Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?

2004-05-23 Per discussione robin

David E. Fox wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:14:18 -0400
lake-wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their 
budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create 

Why not get the CE ISO's as many have done, and then urpmi them up to final update
status?
I did that on my office machine, which has an ethernet connection, but I 
wouldn't want to try that at home with a modem connection!

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Re: [newbie] MD 10 success story

2004-05-22 Per discussione robin

rikona wrote:
Hello Thomas,
Friday, May 21, 2004, 1:10:57 PM, you wrote:
TW That great! I have had similar luck. I think MDMDK0 is
TW fantastic as well and only maintain a window$
TW partition in case I get caught out in the world and
TW need it. Someone's network??? a particular download
TW that only works with explorer I don't know. In any
TW case lilinuxnd mdmdk0 rock.
TW It is important to remember though that as linux
TW users, while not as susceptible to the virus, we can
TW still pass a virus laden email on to someone else.
Assuming we don't forward junk to others, how could we do that?
By running a mail server.
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Re: [newbie] nvidia geforce graphics card

2004-05-22 Per discussione robin

John wrote:
I have just installed nvidia geforce mx 4000 graphics card. Installation 
appeared to go ok using the md10 driver and kernel source.I am using the 
opengl screensavers however and they are now moving frame by frame 
instead of flowing as before. Is 128mb of ram not enough or are there 
other settings to change?  I used the mandrake drivers as it was easier 
for newbie me than installing driver from nvidia.com. Thanks in 
advance for help.
The driver Mandrake provides is the vanilla XFree86 one, which does not 
support hardware acceleration - that's why everything is slow. You 
really need to get the nvidia driver. It's not that hard to install - 
see recent posts on this list.

The amount of RAM on your machine doesn't affect video acceleration, 
since the card uses its onboard RAM. I'd still advise getting a bit more 
RAM eventually, though, as it's always a good thing. 512MB is plenty for 
anything short of advanced video work - I have 512MB and have hardly 
ever used swap space.

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Re: [newbie] O(T)Virus

2004-05-21 Per discussione robin

David Robertson wrote:
Just as an aside, we shouldn't be too complacent about viruses and worms. I 
get my fair share of them and, being an inveterate fiddler, I sometimes run 
the *exe variety through wine to see what happens. Why, you might ask: I have 
no idea! Anyway, recently I had one arrive by email, and on running it just 
by double clicking, it proceeded to deposit about 90 files into every 
directory (including hidden ones) below my home directory. They had very 
entertaining names as well, usually relating to Britney Spear's reproductive 
abilities!

No harm actually done, but a real nuisance and a lot of disk space taken up. 
It was a real pain deleting them all.

It's a good idea to have a special sandbox user for times that you 
feel like flirting with the Dark Side.

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Re: [newbie] spyware, cookies, etc

2004-05-21 Per discussione robin

Michael Tienhaara wrote:
Thanks Paul.  I do monitor cookies before accepting them.  Nevertheless
I often wonder if a cookie can double as a spy.
Michael

Op Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:08 -0700 schreef Michael Tienhaara:

I've been following the recent thread about virus and Linux. Under
Windows I constantly had to search and destroy unwanted spyware apps. 
What are the risks of spyware and cookies on a Linux system? 
I have never heard of spyware that runs on linux.
Cookies are a part of most browsers. Switch off cookie-support if you
are afraid of them, or use a cookie-manager to check what is in there,
I'd say.
NOt to any significant extent. A site can only store the kind of 
information it can get anyway (IP number, browser type etc.) and 
information you give it (forms etc.). In an insecure system, your 
cookies could be accessed by someone else (people in my office have left 
some fairly incriminating cookies on Windows) but there's no real danger 
of that on a properly set up Linux box.

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Re: [newbie] 10.0 How to get sound out of CD Player

2004-05-21 Per discussione robin

Guy Rouillier wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004 08:26:47 +0100
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You probably need an audio cable.
http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/audio_cd.html

Derek, thanks for the reply, but I doubt that is it.  If you reread my
original message, I do here the CD if I use the Totem media player. 
Only when I try CD Player (gnome) or xmms do I not hear anything.  The
fact that it works with Totem means the hardware is okay.

Do these apps point to the right device?
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Re: [newbie] arrrrggggggg

2004-05-20 Per discussione robin

Philip J Scott wrote:
What is wrong with this os.
Windows loads boots and works right away, Linux for some reason allways has
problems either install or booting. I have used it or been trying it since
9.1 still not got any of them to work properly. Just managed after a
struggle to get 10 to boot, now i get to the opening screen and thats it. My
mouse will not work at all so I cant navigate or even open a console.Anyone
know how I can get the little bugger working.
You'll have to be a bit more specific. What hardware? What kind of 
installation?

You can open a console from the keyboard. You'll probably find the 
Windows key will open a menu; from there you can navigate with the 
arrow keys.

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Re: [newbie] geforce mx4000/nvidia

2004-05-19 Per discussione robin

frankieh wrote:
John wrote:
Hello
Would appreciate any information or links that would help with
installation and setup of a new video card. I am running md10 official
with 2.6.3-7 kernel. I thought the nvidia drivers were included on the
installation cd's but can't locate them.  Thanks in   advance.
John

If its the download edition, then no, the 3d drivers are not included..
go to nvidia.com and download the auto install script and run it.. it 
will do the rest.
Its pretty simple.
Yes, but read the README file first, particularly the bit on the 
XF86Config file. And before you do anything, set your computer so that 
it doesn't start X on boot and back up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (it does 
that automatically, but it's easy to lose the original one). You might 
need to install the kernel headers as well.

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[newbie] [Somewhat OT] Recursing in bash

2004-05-14 Per discussione robin

I'm trying to write a bash script that will recurse through a directory, 
find Word files, then run antiword on them. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on 
the first stage, which is to get it to recognise a directory. I'd 
thought this would work

for i in *
  do
if [-d $i]; then
  cd $i
		
and so on, but the third line obviously has the wrong syntax, as I get 
[!: command not found. Any ideas?

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Re: [newbie] [Somewhat OT] Recursing in bash

2004-05-14 Per discussione robin

Todd Slater wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 11:18:32PM +0300, robin wrote:

I'm trying to write a bash script that will recurse through a directory, 
find Word files, then run antiword on them. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on 
the first stage, which is to get it to recognise a directory. I'd 
thought this would work

for i in *
 do
   if [-d $i]; then
 cd $i
		
and so on, but the third line obviously has the wrong syntax, as I get 
[!: command not found. Any ideas?


find can be your friend. You can find directories and files, and specify
recursion depth using -mindepth and -maxdepth. So an easy solution
(depending on what you want to do with what you find) could be something
like
find /home/robin/crappywordfiles -type f -iname '*.doc'

by default it will recurse crappywordfiles to infinity finding all files
that end in .doc, .DOC, .dOC etc. 

or if you really wanna cd to the directories themselves, something like

for i in `find /home/robin/crappywordfiles -type d`
do
cd $i
rm -f *.doc
done
Works a treat!

The reason I'm messing around with evil Word files is that it is the 
format I usually receive essays in (I've tried teaching my students the 
save as function in Word, but it doesn't sink in, and besides, other 
formats that Word can produce are equally problematic). It's not 
normally a problem, since I can open them in OpenOffice, write my 
comments and post them back, but sometimes I also want to do some 
analysis on them, for which plain text is essential (see 
http://lists.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin/cgibin/concord.cgi for something I 
did a few years back).

Thanks a lot,

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] MS: It's the users fault

2004-05-12 Per discussione robin

Carl J. Bauman wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:45:09 -0400
Todd Slater disseminated the following:
 

If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what 
Chris
Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers 
seem to have taken control over there.
-- cmg

Wasn't it just a couple of people that had problems with the political
sigs?   


...the usual suspects ;-)
 

I guess I'm not clear on why anyone would have any political sigs, 
right, left, or middle wing, on an OS mailing list.  Is Mandrake,  or 
Linux in general, inherently political?  I didn't realize I was making a 
political statement when I installed it on my hard drive. Is that stated 
some where on their website?

Please, say it ain't so!   ;-)
I don't think people choose their sigs according to their mailing lists. 
Some use the same sig for everything; others have a random sig. I'm sure 
there's some way of automating the sig according to the To: field, but 
I've never heard of anyone doing it.

As a point of netiquette, I think it's usually a bad idea to comment on 
people's sigs in a list (especially if it's a hostile comment, which 
will then result in a twenty-message thread). Unless it's on the OT 
list, of course ;-)

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Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!

2004-05-10 Per discussione robin

Lanman wrote:
JoeHill wrote:

Stop the presses!

Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has 
translated into
its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming SP2 (Service 
Pack 2)
security patch available to all users - including those using pirated 
copies of
its Windows XP software.

Link:

http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html

Maybe, just maybe, the 'Net will be somewhat safer with all those 
warez kiddies
patched up somewhat...

Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL!


This tends to support the contention that Microsoft wants to make sure 
that consumers keep buying/using Windows, and they don't seem to mind
those running pirated copies too much either.

If this service pack is as good as they say, why would they need to 
allow pirated copies to download it, just so they could protect valid 
users? Something is missing here. How can a legal copy of Windows be 
vulnerable to the attacks that this service pack prevents, if 
non-licensed (ie; pirated) copies don't have the service pack installed?

Maybe when Longhorn finally comes out, they'll release a special pirate 
edition. Long John Silverhorn, perhaps.

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Re: [newbie] More evidence of the superior intelligence of Canadians

2004-05-10 Per discussione robin

JoeHill wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2004 13:27:00 -0500
Avi Schwartz disseminated the following:

'According to Stacey Quandt, principal analyst of Quandt, 'RBC 
probably went
into the deal as an investment, and now they appear to have lost 
confidence in
SCO's ability to win its case, so they've decided to cut their 
losses.''

Link:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040507143313869
If the Canadians have such superior intelligence, then why did the RBC 
get into bed with SCO to begin with?


Well, it *is* a bank...you can't expect too much ;-)
And SCO aka Caldera used to be a perfectly respectable 'nix company.

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Re: [newbie] One for JoeHill

2004-05-09 Per discussione robin

Lanman wrote:
Tony S. Sykes wrote:

Microsoft is expected to recommend that the average Longhorn PC 
feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of 
RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired
port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs 
three times faster than those on the market today. 


While I'm currently drooling all over those specifications, I can't see 
Longhorn being ready to ship for at least 2 years, since some of that 
hardware is not available yet, and most consumers are not about to spend 
that kind of money on a system (with the exception of a long list of 
distinguished fellow list-members) just so they can have an average 
system!

On the other hand, I can see many of us telling our employers that we'll 
bite the bullet and accept Longhorn on our systems, just so we can have 
that kind of horsepower on our desktops, after which we would promptly 
install Linux, and never look back at Longhorn again( except when the 
boss was around)! Grin!

If those are the average system specs, then Longhorn is definitely the 
most bloated OS, second to none! I suppose that's one for the Guinness 
books?

Jeesh! 4 to 6 Ghz P4 CPU's with Hyper Threading? Anyone for Solitare?

Grin! Drool!
My school's computer centre still recommends Windows 98 (for those of us 
who aren't using Unix/Linux, that is). They're fed up with having to 
send techies out to sort out a problem with some bozo installing XP with 
no security and bringing down the whole domain. God knows what they'll 
make of Longhorn.

BEAVIS: Huh huh, he said horn.
BUTTHEAD: Uhuh huh, is your horn long, Beavis?
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Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format

2004-04-30 Per discussione robin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:09 pm, Miark wrote:

Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my


machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well.
This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as
much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow,
but it is fine by me.
4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and
a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it
starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing
running at the time was top itself at about 1%.
Miark


That does appear slow and surprises me. You are using OO.o1.1.0? I have never 
installed, for use, the Mandrake version, only ever the one from OO.org, into 
the place where Mandrake installs their version.

I've used both the tarball and the Mandrake RPM - no difference as far 
as I could see.

Might be worth checking bugzilla for OO, or perhaps it's time to upgrade 
to 10.0. OO, like most things, works faster in 10.0. I'm using OO 
(slowest Linux app ever) on KDE (slowest desktop ever) awnd it still 
opens in seconds on a comparable machine.

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Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format

2004-04-29 Per discussione robin

Miark wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:05:51 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower
over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else
experienced this?
No, but you might have something running in the background when you open it 
up. I sometimes open two or three apps up at a time, and then OO.o appears 
slow against the others. Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my 
machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This 
machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 
RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine 
by me.


4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and
a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it
starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing
running at the time was top itself at about 1%. 

Jeez, I haven't experienced anything like that since the old days before 
OO split off from SO. Something is obviously borked in your 
installation, but I have no idea what.

Have you tried running it as a different user, to establish whether the 
problem is in your whole installation or just in your own settings? OO 
is not, and never will be, a speed king, but it should not be doing this.

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Re: [newbie] Slow openoffice

2004-04-28 Per discussione robin

rhein wrote:
Hello,
Since a few days openoffice hangs when I open saved files... I opened 
those same files much quicker before. I have about 500 mb of RAM on my 
machine so I don't think this is the problem.
Any idea ?
I red about Abiword on this list... what are the differences with oowrite?

By the way is Koffice lighter then openoffice? Any user on this list?

Given that OO was opening files OK before, I'd recommend fixing the 
problem rather than changing your word procesor. But anyway, FYI ...

Abiword is very light, and somewhat minimalistic. It's aquired some 
features since I stopped using it a while back, but it's still more of a 
choice for someone running an old, slow system who doesn't need to do 
anything fancy with their word-processor (BTW, it is just a word 
processor, not a whole office suite like OO or KOffice).

Koffice is a bit faster than OO (assuming you're running KDE - I don't 
know how it performs in other environments). The look and feel of KWord 
is more like a DTP program than a word processor - it's very good if you 
want to do a lot with frames (which I don't). Unlike most other 
programs, it has some limited ability to edit PDF files, but the only 
times I've tried to open PDF files in KWord, it screwed up the 
formatting completely. A major disadvantage for those of us who have to 
share documents with Windows users is its inability to save in Word 
format (though it can open Word documents). Personally I think it falls 
between two stools (if I want to do fancy FTP stuff, I'll use Scribus) 
but some people like it.

Of course if you are producing documents solely for your own use (or for 
people who only want to print, not edit, the files you send them, or who 
are also Linux/Unix users) the best program is still, IMHO, LyX.

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Re: [newbie] bin

2004-04-27 Per discussione robin

David Williams wrote:
I have installed 10.0 on top of 9.1
Most everything seems to be OK except that I can't run
whatever.bin files anymore. I take a really simple approach to stuff and I 
used konq for most stuff including this.
It won't run from the comand line either.
Is there some sort of file assoc that I have to force?

If it won't run from the command line, it's probably not a file 
assocation problem. It looks like for some weird reason your file 
permissions have been reset. Type ls -l *.bin and see what you get

-rwxr-xr-x  1 david david   249 Feb 20  2004 somescript.bin

If you get something like

-rw-r--r--  1 david david   249 Feb 20  2004 somescript.bin

(i.e. no xs in there), you need to type

chmod +x *.bin

which will make all .bin files in that directory executable.

Also check that you still own the files and they haven't switched to 
being owned by root.

Sorry if this is an overly simple explanation, but you did say you 
didn't use the command line much ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Another Xfce convert!

2004-04-25 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 12:09, Marv Boyes wrote:

Is it a sign of increasing Linux maturity when you start to favor 
functionality over eye-candy? ;)


Eye Candy is nice if that's all you're doing - watching pretty
windows...
Well what else am I supposed to do when I'm pretending to work and I've 
finshed reading the OT list?

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Re: [newbie] MS: We know we suck, and we don't really care.

2004-04-24 Per discussione robin

Lanman wrote:
frankieh wrote:

Thats not gonna be too much of a big deal shortly... there are several 
things in the industry now related to MicroSoft, that are going to 
help Linux quiet abit..

- Allot of apps will in the next few years need to be swapped to 
Win64, and will require substantial code changes anyway. (see below.)

- Microsoft themselves are going to break allot of their own backwards 
compatability, in fact they have already done so.
--- Win2003 already breaks some software from win2000/XP.
--- win XP service pack2 breaks more software.
--- Windows Longhorn will break huge reams of existing software... it 
is to innovative to be backwards compatable.

And you think that is the end??   Microsoft knows that in order to 
keep people upgrading, they know they can make it different, as long 
as they make it seem easier then reworking the programs to run on 
linux...

But how long is that arguement going to last???  after Longhorn, 
microsoft are going to have to change everything even more to justify 
to people how upgading to whatever new they come up with is worth it..

Eventually developers are going to get sick of rewriting their apps 
each time MS come up with something they think people just have to 
have eventually they will realise that this is just more microsoft 
FUD and that in the long run, writting apps for a totally open API is 
simply better, particularly if the alternative is re-writing their 
apps every 5 years or so.

FrankieH; Don't forget that Linux is gaining a lot of popularity and 
momentum. That alone, will push a lot of software companies to seriously 
consider coming out with re-worked versions of their apps, and many are 
already doing exactly that.

In many cases, well-estasblished apps written for Linux years ago have 
been improving by leaps and bounds, and as people start to migrate over 
to Linux, they'll start depending on those apps, instead of seeking 
commercial or proprietary ones.

One last thing here. One of Microsoft's long term goals is to migrate 
most of their apps to web-based systems which will be sold as 
subscription services - ie; Microsoft Office. That's one of their prime 
reasons for coming up with dotNet.

Part of Microsoft's game plan is to be able to sell those services 
across all platforms, since much of the web already is 
platform-agnostic. It's the easiest way to capture a higher marketshare.

So, don't be too surprised to see a lot of companies coming out with 
web-based applications in the near future. If companies can build apps 
which will work just as well on Linux and MacOS, as they do on Windows, 
compatibility will take a distinct move up the ladder.

Microsoft also knows that this is one way that they can continue to 
build crappy applications, without all those nasty crash events 
happening, simply by moving the app from the hard drive to the web.

It also means that they'll probably try to sell it's merits by promoting 
the stability factor of the web.
ROTFL.

Also, this also explains why the new 
Windows ( currently due out sometime this decade ! ) will have a newer 
version of Internet Explorer (something like version 8) which will be 
tuned to take advantage of the new web-based apps that Microsoft will be 
selling. Don't be surprised if they call LongHorn something like 
Internet Commander or something, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was 
the core of the OS. Certainly would explain why the tried to merge IE 5 
through 6 into the OS, and why Bill Gates was buying up cablevision 
companies in Europe a few years ago. Who else is gonna supply that much 
broadband to a user-base?
This could be very amusing. Anyone remember Win98's active desktop? 
You make your whole dektop environment dependent on the thing that is 
most likely to crash. Even Windows users didn't buy that for long.

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Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!

2004-04-20 Per discussione robin

et wrote:
On Monday 19 April 2004 10:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:

On Monday 19 April 2004 06:15 pm, John Wilson wrote:

On April 19, 2004 10:53 am, robin wrote:
snip
Then of course, there is the fun of uninstalling Windows software. Hmm,
editing the registry to get rid of crap left by botched uninstalls -
now _that's_ what I call user-friendly! ;-)
Robin, you are evil and wicked, do you know that? :-)

Windows uninstalls everything properly, never ever leaves unresolved
references in the registry, would never whack a shared file needed by
other programs and certainly wouldn't fsck the existing settings. :-)
And Micro$oft would never ever issue a bug fix that makes matters worse,
breaks installations and leaves end users scratching their head as to why
a perfectly serviceable computer, by Windows standards, suddenly doesn't
wanna work. :-)
C'mon!  Read all the independant reseach on Microsoft's web sites about
how this only ever happens in Linux!!!
ttfn

John

PS: I'm so proud of myself  DIdn't say winblows, winsucks or other
pegroative even once. :-)
Win$uxs


but it is my prerogative to use a pejorative, as I like to call it winblows 

I just write Windows, since that's the most pejorative word I know; 
blows, sucks etc. are pretty mild by comparison.

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Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!

Job Evers wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:38:30 -0400
JoeHill wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:52:33 -0400
et disseminated the following:
How many people have actually *paid* for XP Pro anyway? There's prolly
more pirated copies out there than legit. IIRC, I never forked over a
single dime for Windows or any software that ran on it. Then I found
out I could go legit(well, okay, the MPAA might have a few issues with
me), get a better OS, with all the software I needed, and still not
pay a dime. I can see a lot of other people making the same discovery.

I unfortunately have two legal copies of XP. One copy came with my Gateway laptop even though I begged them not to put it on there (The CD is still in the original shrink wrap). The other copy was received as part of a 'special' Microsoft was having on campus in which they gave away copies of XP to students.

Just about anybody who buys a new computer gets stuck buying a copy of XP!

I've managed to avoid XP so far. My previous computer came with the
standard - presumably pirated - copy of Win98 (first edition - gaaah!)
and my new box came with nothing. To the credit of the people in the
shop, they didn't bat an eyelid when I asked for a bare box and
specified that all the hardware had to be Linux-compatible.

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Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Saturday 17 April 2004 21:07, Anne Wilson wrote:

snip

I do believe that we will gradually win
people over, but the battle is far from won.
/snip

I'm very confident you're right, Anne.  -  However, I sometimes get 
this strange and forbidden feeling : What happens when everybody 
changes over ? - Or, to rephrase : when everybody scuttles their 
Volkswagens and drive Ferraris, what joy do I have with my 
Ferrari ?

When the rest of the world starts using Linux, they'll probably be using 
something like KDE, so you can change your desktop to fvwm to give it 
that retro-unix look ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 22:54, Lee Wiggers wrote:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:54:33 -0600
Steve Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You are 100% right and that is where all the problems occurs in
getting it all setup and making changes after setup.
Bull crap

I set up 4 9.2 boxes on our office net with sylpheed and openoffice.
Konq as browser.  Last fall.
Not one complaint from anyone since the first day.  Showed them how
to mount the fileserver and walked away.
There was one complaint.  From me.  I don't like oo.

(Coulda been something to do with the double-barrel shotgun you had
layin' across yer lap whilst you were doing the installations and giving
instructions on mounting the server, though...)
(and OO - well, it's always OO-slow...but it does get the job done.)
It's noticably faster in 10.0 (and that's not just because it's a new 
version of OO, since I was using OO 1.1 under Mdk 9.2).  I've grown to 
appreciate it more over the years, since its early days as Star Office, 
when SO still had that hideous do everything under one roof philosophy 
which made it take over your entire desktop. I still prefer LyX for my 
own writing, but I use OO a lot for grading and commenting on student 
papers - I have a bunch of macros and autotext set up for common 
operations, which is a big timesaver.

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Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!

JoeHill wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:05:22 +0100
Owain Sutton disseminated the following:

I'm trying my hardest to like Linux, but I've found nothing so far that was
not easier on XP


Not easier, just different. Of course, I have the benefit of hindsight, using
MDK for a few years now. Installing software is just as easy, if not easier, but
it took me a while to figure that out. I can't think of anything now that is not
as 'easy' as it was on XP, or even easier and less prone to bugs.
Perhaps you could refresh my memory? ;-)
I've only used XP occasionally, and found it rather difficult.

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Re: [newbie] Calgary gets smart!

John Wilson wrote:
On April 18, 2004 11:54 pm, Owain Sutton wrote:


Surely an oxymoron?  I'm trying hard, really hard, but I've yet to
install any software as easily as on XP...oh, apart from Mozilla.


Now considering that Mozilla installs exactly the same way as every other 
package in MDK, I'm starting to wonder what problem you are having with 
everything else.

Are you using urpmi or the GUI equivalents called Mandrake Update, Install 
Software and so on?  Because if you are then, like Joe, you'll find that 
installing software is just as easy, easier in fact, than installing most 
software in XP and dealing with at least 3 installation packages, often 
unresolved dependancies that cause XP to hiccup or complain.

Oh well..troll away if you must, Owain.

A while ago I rebooted into Windows and installed a game. It shows how 
long it's been since I've used Windows that when the message came up to 
exit all Windows programs, I was going Huh? Why?

Then of course, there is the fun of uninstalling Windows software. Hmm, 
editing the registry to get rid of crap left by botched uninstalls - now 
_that's_ what I call user-friendly! ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Anyone have experience with this tool?

Aron Smith wrote:
http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/512350/RIP.html
Aron, be careful about your subject lines - that one could get caught by 
a lot of people's spam filters ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Copying FTP tree

Arys P. Deloso wrote:
How do you get an exact copy of an FTP tree with ALL the permissions and 
time stamps preserved?

I tried:
1. draksync BUT it gives up (does nothing) especially when the stuff 
gets big; AND
2. ncftp with recursive get but recurses only 2 levels down with 
sub-subdirectories having no contents AND permissions NOT preserved.

Is there a much simpler way to do this?
I haven't used it, but you might want to check out mirrordir.

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Re: [newbie] DANGER!

et wrote:
On Monday 19 April 2004 08:11 am, Tina wrote:

You know I even read trough it sometimes you best just remember you have
to eat my cooking AND I have access to your pc
rotflmao

Hey TIna,,, come join us over in the OT group... (talk about a time sink)
Er - you sure she's ready for that?

;-)

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Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?

2004-04-17 Per discussione robin

John Wilson wrote:
[snip]
That said, with the exception of one very important update, the rollout of 
10CE has been a fairly painless experience for all concerned if traffic on 
this list is any indication.  It's been polished, works and most of the rough 
edges taken off.  What's surprising is how few messages have appeared saying 
that this release broke something compared to past releases.
It broke a few things for me, but I'm not complaining. It was released 
as a beta, so I expect that.

MDK 10 is a high quality bit of software, make no mistake about that.  It's 
even better when we consider that 10CE is a public beta.  In fact, it's 
gorgeous. :-)
That 2.6 kernel just hums. At one point I considered going back to 9.2, 
but I decided to fix what I could, and wait for the official edition for 
the few remaining problems.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?

2004-04-17 Per discussione robin

RichardA wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:15 +0100, Anne Wilson
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On Wednesday 14 April 2004 08:21, RichardA wrote:

There are some very angry people on the forums, and I don't blame
them.
Frustrated, definitely.


Angry.


No one expects Mandrake to actually communicate to their customers,
even before a major restructure of the mirrors, but it seems they
all went home for Easter withour fixing it. So much for Mandrake's
'enterprise' ambitions.
An unfair and unjustified comment.  Try reading the explanation on the
Club pages.  The situation only developed as people were going home
for the holidays.  Warly tried to contact the various mirror owners,
but they are totally independent of Mandrake, and most of them were 
unavailable.  Oddly enough, they like holidays, too.  There is no way 
that Mandrake employees can guarantee how long it will take mirror 
owners to sort out this problem.  Let's just hope that not too many of
them are taking an extended break.

Anne


I don't think my comment was unfair or unjust. This should have been
tested, and there should have been a backout. The mirror maintainers
should have been contacted _before_ this change.
We all like holidays, but if we work in IT and we break something
mission-critical, we stay and work until it is fixed. Their behaviour is
acceptable for a hobby distro, but Mandrake are making 'Enterprise'
noises.
Mandrake is a great distro -- which is why we're all here -- but the
company...
The best thing the company could do, IMHO, is have someone hang out in 
this forum, like the much-missed Civileme.

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Re: [newbie] To distribute a bulletin

2004-04-14 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 10:16, mandrake wrote:

In Windows I used Opt-In Emailer for sending my club bulletin and infromation 
or works to my students by e-mail. What program can I use in Mandrake 9.1 for 
sending e-mails to a list?

I use the low-tech approach: set up an account for the course on the 
server, ask all students to send me a blank mail, then paste the 
addresses into .forward .  Of course this relies on students not posting 
the address elsewhere and leaving it vulnerable to spambots - it only 
works on a small scale where you know the users personally.  Anything 
bigger and you probably want to be using something like postfix, but 
that's definitely not for the newbie, as misconfiguring it can have 
embarrassing results (like sending your log messages to everyone in your 
domain).

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Re: [newbie] What Does The Document Contains No Data Mean?

2004-04-13 Per discussione Robin Turner

Stephen Reynolds wrote:
On one of my machines running MDK 10.1, Mozilla regularly reports The 
Document Contains No Data when interacting with html forms. Why does Mozilla 
do this?

This is a feature which goes right back to th early Netscape days. 
What it usually means is that there was a timeout connecting to the 
server, meaning you have to resend your data.

A less cryptic error message would have been a good idea.

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Re: [newbie] From KDE to Fluxbox

2004-04-13 Per discussione robin

Marc Resnick wrote:
I'm in the process of switching from KDE to Fluxbox because frankly, KDE 
crashes on me way too much, and it really reminds me of Winblows. 
Anyway, I've got fluxbox up. I don't really want to use 
Mozilla-Thunderbird anymore, or Firefox for that matter, cause those 
both are a bit weird on me too.
Here are my questions:

1. Can Pine get POP3 mail? If so, where do you enter the info?
If you have a POP3 mail server, it almost certainly has pine installed, 
so just telnet to the server, and type pine. But why would you want to 
do this, unless you really hanker after the good old green-screen days? 
The command line is a wonderful tool, but what's wrong with graphical 
e-mail clients? If you don't like KDE or Mozilla, you might enjoy Sylpheed.

2. Is there a battery monitor for fluxbox?

3. Is there a simple, very stable, browser I can use?
Tons. If you want the ultimate in simplicity, stability and speed, then 
go for Lynx (but of course there are no graphics there). If you want to 
be really hardcore, Xemacs has browsing capacity, though I strongly 
advise going down the emacs road - you may need a twelve-step program 
and interventions from your friends to get you off it. I hear there are 
clinics for recovering emacs users, but they usually use vi to help them 
cope with emacs withdrawal, and that can have terrible side-effects ;-)

If you want something more like a conventional browser, Opera is OK, but 
I still can't see what you don't like about Mozilla/Firefox or Konqueror.

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Re: [newbie] URPMI mirrors broken?

2004-04-13 Per discussione robin

RichardA wrote:
Different update sites seem to have different structures. Also, the
Mandrake Club mirrors page doesn't seem to work.
What's going on? Which sites are up to date? Wasn't this meant to be
fixed by today?
Also, how the hell does the new structure work? Everything I read
gives different advice.
I installed from the 10.0 CE disks. Do I have a choice between:
1) Updating to 10.0 release and then just getting security updates and
fixes
2) Following Cooker to 10.1
3) Something in between. If so, what is it?
Are the main sources Distribution, Updates and Contrib? If so, where in
the new structure are they?
Whatever sources I use, I get a curl error message. I live in hope ...

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Re: [newbie] RPM Installed...Now how do I run the app??

2004-04-12 Per discussione robin

shaz wrote:
Hi all,

I've just downloaded and installed the MJPEGTOOLS RPM. (via URPMI)

URPMI says it was all installed successfully.

But nowI can't find the program to run it.

Usually the name of the RPM is the same as the name of the command to 
run it, though something with a name like that might be a bundle of 
commands (like pstricks). Try opening a console and typing man 
mjpegtools, or type mjpeg and hit the tab key - either a progrma will 
open or you'll get a list of alternative commands which start with mjpeg.

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Re: [newbie] Image viewer

2004-04-11 Per discussione robin

Carroll Grigsby wrote:
On Saturday 10 April 2004 05:41 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote:

On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 16:16, JoeHill wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:35:31 -0500

Tom Brinkman disseminated the following:

   I use it as my desktop background, slide show,
...and we all can guess what that slideshow is, you DOM!
DOM:
Unknown word
What is that ? Forbidden language ? :-)


Josenildo:
DOM == Dirty Old Man. Synonyms include reprobate, lecher, pervert. In Brazil, 
they can be found strolling along the incredible beautiful beaches staring at 
the even more incredible female occupants. Or so I've heard.
And here was innocent little me thinking Tom was calling him a Document 
Object Model ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Multimedia in 10.0

et wrote:
On Friday 09 April 2004 09:34 pm, Rory wrote:

I'm having similar problems.  The MDK LiveCD recognized my soundcard
without an issue (as did two other LiveCDs), but MDK 10.0CE won't recognize
it and I just haven't had any luck getting it to work, despite that fact
that MDK appears to recognize it.
On Saturday 10 April 2004 3:30 am, robin wrote:

I sit just me, or is multimedia totally screwed up in 10.0? I can't even
listen to an audio CD. I sorted out my soundcard after a lot of tweaking
some time ago, but now I try to listen to a CD and Xine and KsCD give me
no sound, and Totem hangs the system and needs a dirty reboot.
Sir Robin


which kernel do you boot to? 
I don't know if you were asking Rory or me. I'm using 2.6 - it gave me a 
lot of grief at the beginning, then I hacked /etc/modprobe.conf and it 
worked fine for a while, except for Totem, which has never worked for me 
(and a fair few others) in 10.0.

Last night the whole audio side went doolally, but (after rebooting) 
it's working fine this morning (at least KsCD is - I'm not touching 
Totem any more). I think it was probably a dodgy CD causing Xine to 
leave a zombie process somewhere (naturally I tested with a different 
CD, but maybe the old one left some crap in the system).

What I find puzzling about 10.0 in general is not that some things don't 
work - I expect that, particularly since it is essentially a beta. 
However, my experience with Linux to date has been that things either 
work or they don't - there's no works sometimes (that's something I 
associate with that other OS). My experience with trying to get wvdial 
to run on boot is similar. Sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] Multimedia in 10.0

et wrote:
On Saturday 10 April 2004 02:52 pm, robin wrote:

et wrote:

On Friday 09 April 2004 09:34 pm, Rory wrote:

I'm having similar problems.  The MDK LiveCD recognized my soundcard
without an issue (as did two other LiveCDs), but MDK 10.0CE won't
recognize it and I just haven't had any luck getting it to work, despite
that fact that MDK appears to recognize it.
On Saturday 10 April 2004 3:30 am, robin wrote:

I sit just me, or is multimedia totally screwed up in 10.0? I can't even
listen to an audio CD. I sorted out my soundcard after a lot of tweaking
some time ago, but now I try to listen to a CD and Xine and KsCD give me
no sound, and Totem hangs the system and needs a dirty reboot.
Sir Robin
which kernel do you boot to?
I don't know if you were asking Rory or me. I'm using 2.6 - 
both


it gave me a 
lot of grief at the beginning, then I hacked /etc/modprobe.conf and it
worked fine for a while, except for Totem, which has never worked for me
(and a fair few others) in 10.0.


hmmm, cause what I read,,,/etc/modprobe.conf is for a 2.4 kernel... 
and /etc/modprobe.preload is the config for the 2.6 kernel
Sorry, that was what I meant (force of habit).

but I bet the problem is more along the lines of aRts -vs- alsa -vs- OSS. have 
you set a timeout for aRts?
Yes (68 seconds). Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

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Re: [newbie] How do I know what version I'm using?

Todd Slater wrote:
Boy do I feel dumb. I installed mdk on my mom's computer but I don't
remember if it was 9.1 or 9.2. How would I find out? I tried uname -a
but that doesn't tell the release number as far as I can tell.
Does anything come up on the splash screen at boot?

You could also check by looking at the version of just about any package 
you installed (the kernel being an obvious choice).

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Re: [newbie] 10.0...shut down problems

Marc Resnick wrote:
Laura Callier wrote:

Hello,
 
New to Mandrake.  Installed 10.0 from Cheap Bytes discs.  So far all 
is well except there is no auto shut off.  When I click shut off, 
things shut down except for an arrow.  I am able to turn it off by 
using the power button, but would prefer an auto shut off.  Does 
anyone know if 10.0 is designed for auto shut off or if this is a 
glitch? It could be a bios problem, but wanted to see what experience 
other have had.
 
Thanks,
Laura


I'm not quite sure what you mean by things shut down except for an 
arrow, but I'm having a similar problem. It doesn't bother me that 
much, because I rarely shut down, but when I click to shutdown in KDE, I 
usually have to do it 3 to 4 times before it works. I assume that it's a 
bug that should be fixed with the Official 10.0 release.

I occasionally have the same problem on boot-up. I don't know why it 
only happens occasionally - used to be Linux developers wrote bugs you 
could rely on ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Seems Sun and Microsoft are making nice nice...slightly OT

2004-04-07 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 07:20, robin wrote:
 

...just wonder what type of resource it's going to require...and how
fast it'll run on my sad little AMD XP2000...
Well, if you thought KDE was resource-hungry 

Sir Robin


Cray-DE and Guh-nome can't live in my world. Dog-awful slow. Like a herd
of turtles crossing a plain of peanut butter. In the winter. The
screenshots DID look rather interesting, but doing things from an xterm
in 3D just don't sound right.
Although there will be a Linux version, I get the impression that the 
main target initially will be Solaris, and the kind of people who run 
Solaris generally have more CPU cycles than they know what to do with.

For the rest of us, the mere fact that it's written in Java sounds ominous.

Q: How many Java programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: As many as Sun can throw at it. They change it with lightning speed, 
but now there's a ten second delay between flipping the switch and the 
light coming on.

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Re: [newbie] Seems Sun and Microsoft are making nice nice...slightly OT

2004-04-06 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 01:30, robin wrote:


Any see the demo of the new 3D Java desktop? 
http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70042PiZ42XOk0120003Z3_042PiZ0mKH71KHB4

Sexy!

Sir Robin


...just wonder what type of resource it's going to require...and how
fast it'll run on my sad little AMD XP2000...
Well, if you thought KDE was resource-hungry 

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Re: [newbie] Billy aint the richest man anymore...

2004-04-06 Per discussione robin

Bob Read wrote:


frankieh wrote:

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-239838.html?legacy=cnet

Now we just have to get him below the top 100 and we'll be on our way...
Maybe we should work to get Linus onto the list??  :-)


Strange -- the Headline at the top of the article shows:

Gates loses title as world's richest man
Last modified: April 28, 2000, 6:30 PM PDT
Bad javascript?

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Re: [newbie] Seems Sun and Microsoft are making nice nice...slightly OT

2004-04-05 Per discussione robin

frankieh wrote:
John Wilson wrote:

Well, isn't this just amazing!

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/04/1081017033695.html

Seems Sun might have switched sidesagain.

ttfn

John


Its not that they have changed sides...
its more that they have just realised that they don't have the cash to 
fight in court indefinately, whereas M$ does..
so they settled for a big chunk of change.

An upside is that all future versons of windows, including service packs 
for existing ones.. will have Suns Java instead of M$ VM.
Meaning that all those banking sites that only work with M$ VM will not 
work on those OS's... and if they get fixed to work with
the sun java on win, they will work for us on linux as well.

And Sun will still be competing with M$ on servers and on the desktop.. 
so really all they did was give up on the case about M$ playing around 
with Java
Any see the demo of the new 3D Java desktop? 
http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70042PiZ42XOk0120003Z3_042PiZ0mKH71KHB4

Sexy!

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Re: [newbie] Automatically disconnecting

2004-04-04 Per discussione robin

Keith Powell wrote:
Robin.

I would like some more help, please!

You say that the WVDIAL binary is on the mirrors for downloading. 

I run Mandrake9.2 and it's not on my contrib, eslrahc, mpol, NORLUG-9.2, or 
plf sources. Where is it, please?

I have Googled for it and can only find tarballs, not any binaries for 
Mandrake. I would rather use a binary than a tarball.

IIRC, on 9.2 it was on one of the distro CDs. In 10.0 I couldn't find it 
there, but found it one on of the mirrors (main, not contrib). You can 
also find binaries at rpmfind.net

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Re: [newbie] Automatically disconnecting

2004-04-03 Per discussione robin

Hoyt Bailey wrote:
On Saturday 03 April 2004 13:28, Keith Powell wrote:

I have been looking to see if it is possible to get KPPP to
automatically disconnect a dial-up Internet connection after a
certain amount of time (say, 3 minutes) of inactivity. Having
searched all through the various Internet configuration files, I
can't find a way of doing it. Disconnection appears to only to be
able to be done manually.
If our dial-up connections could be set to be automatically
terminated, it would be a help. It would mean that we could leave the
computer downloading something, knowing that the connection would be
terminated a few minutes after the download had finished, rather than
having to watch for the download to finish.
Any ideas, please, anyone?

Many thanks

Keith
Also how about whenever a connection is required that kppp starts and 
auto dials the ISP in addition to the above?
I think the app you're all looking for is wvdial. You can set it to log 
you in automatically (even with ISPs that use terminal-based 
authentication), reconnect automatically, disconnect if idle for a 
specified period of time and a whole load of other stuff. It's not on 
the 10.0 CDs, but is on the mirrors. Just download it and edit 
/etc/wvdial.conf to your needs. No GUI required.

The only glitch is that it normally only runs as root. There are three 
ways round this (other than doing su of course):

1. Make it suid (never tried this);
2. Change permissions of wvdial, wvdial.conf and /dev/modem (or 
whichever device your system works);
3. Have it started automatically on boot (this used to work fine on 9.2, 
but is rather flaky on 10.0 - sometimes it works, mostly it doesn't).

Obviously you don't want to try option 3 if you're on a pay-per-minute 
connection! It's probably not advisable for situations where security is 
a major issue, such as a server, but then how many people run servers 
via a modem?

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Re: [newbie] /dev/ppp problem

2004-04-01 Per discussione robin

robin wrote:
Under 9.2 I could connect to the Internet on boot by adding 
/usr/bin/wvdial to /etc/rc.local. However, under 10.0 it won't 
connect, and /var/log/daemons/errors gives the following:

Mar 31 18:15:03 localhost pppd[4425]: Couldn't set pass-filter in 
kernel: Invalid argument
Mar 31 18:35:29 localhost pppd[3984]: pppd is unable to open the 
/dev/ppp device. You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by 
executing the following command as root: ^Imknod /dev/ppp c 108 0

Running mknod gives the error that /dev/ppp already exists, and the file 
is impossible to move or remove. Any ideas what I should do?

Don't worry - it seems to have sorted itself out, though I have no idea 
why. A couple of reboots did the trick (I know rebooting loses you Linux 
credibility points, but when you're dealing with running services at 
boot, it's necessary). That's the thing I like about Linux - usually the 
system is smarter than I am.

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[newbie] /dev/ppp problem

2004-03-31 Per discussione robin

Under 9.2 I could connect to the Internet on boot by adding 
/usr/bin/wvdial to /etc/rc.local. However, under 10.0 it won't 
connect, and /var/log/daemons/errors gives the following:

Mar 31 18:15:03 localhost pppd[4425]: Couldn't set pass-filter in 
kernel: Invalid argument
Mar 31 18:35:29 localhost pppd[3984]: pppd is unable to open the 
/dev/ppp device. You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by 
executing the following command as root: ^Imknod /dev/ppp c 108 0

Running mknod gives the error that /dev/ppp already exists, and the file 
is impossible to move or remove. Any ideas what I should do?

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Re: [newbie] Still no sound

2004-03-22 Per discussione robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 14:38, robin wrote: 

...and it's safe to assume that you've tried other drivers - like
forcing ALSA?
How would I do that?

Sir Robin


Is there not a means by which - such as in 9.1 - to change the driver in
MCC/Hardware to utilise a different driver for sound (or any other bit
of hardware)?
There's a choice of two for VIA, and neither of them worked. But as I 
posted recently, I got sound working somehow (I think it was when I was 
fiddling with /etc/modprobe.conf).

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Re: [newbie]

2004-03-22 Per discussione robin

Chuck Mattsen wrote:
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 13:50, Anne Wilson wrote:

If you are dual booting you really need a fat32 partition for data, so 
that it can safely be read and written to by both OSs.  You should 
also have a separate partition for /home, as you do not want to lose 
everything under home if things go wrong and you have to reinstall or 
want to upgrade.  Swap need not be more than 512MB.  HTH


Is it better to set up that FAT32 partition for data from the Windows
side of things, or from the Linux side, or does it make any difference
in the long run?  In other words, if it becomes, say, an F: drive
within Windows, is that the same as creating it as, say, /data from
within Linux, or are there some gotchas in this process?
Paranoid, as always, and certainly not used to the whole partitioning
thang ... TIA
Makes no difference, AFAIK. The way I did it last time I set up a dual 
boot system was to install Windows (which always insists on being 
installed first) with only one partition, then install Mandrake with a 
FAT32 partition next to Windows (i.e. /hda2), then divide the rest of 
the disk between my various Linux partitions.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

2004-03-21 Per discussione robin

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
Although I'm a Club Silver Member, I haven't been able to get my 
hands on Acrobat Reader or RealPlayer, but I can live with that.
The old versions of commercial software should work on 10.0 - certainly 
RealPlayer does, as I've just installed it. One exception is the nVidia 
drivers, for which you have to download the latest versions.

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Re: [newbie] Supermount in 10.0

Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 20 March 2004 08:52 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:

10.0 should not be using Supermount for the CD-ROMs any longer.
There is a new version called magicdev that performs the same
function as supermount, it automatically mounts removable media
when inserted.


 Yes, but this isn't quite the whole story. Supermount-ng in 
the latest kernels is a better solution than magicdev.  Even the 
Mandrake developers involved have said so on the cooker ML, an 
alluded to the fact that making magicdev the default wasn't their 
preference. So they suggested, and many cooker'rs have:

   urpme magicdev
   supermount -i enable
   mount -a
A search of the cooker archive should clear it up.  Most 
cooker'rs like myself updated daily to 10.0+, an so never had 
magicdev installed. So at best it's very much untested. Bugs have 
been filed on it tho, search bugzilla.  Most common bug was that 
it wouldn't release the CD tray, and/or recognize when a media 
was inserted.
Thanks - I uninstalled magicdev, turned on supermount and everything was 
back to normal. Now if I can get sound and my nvidia drivers working, 
I'll be a happy little Robin!

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[newbie] Still no sound

OK, having installed 10.0, I now have supermount sorted out and (fingers 
crossed) nvidia drivers working. But I still have no sound. This is with 
the notorious onboard VIA chip. I've run through the troubleshooting 
process (not that I could understand  much of what it told me) and 
followed all the advice on the Twiki, but still no sound.

Here's what /etc/modules.conf says

probeall scsi_hostadapter sata_via
probeall usb-interface usb-uhci ehci-hcd
alias agpgart via-agp
above snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx
options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2
(the last line was one I added after reading the Twiki)

The relevant parts of the lsmod output are

snd-seq-oss31264  0
snd-seq-midi-event  7552  1 snd-seq-oss
snd-seq51248  4 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event
snd-pcm-oss51812  0
snd-mixer-oss  17824  1 snd-pcm-oss
snd-via82xx23648  0
snd-pcm93220  2 snd-pcm-oss,snd-via82xx
snd-timer  24516  2 snd-seq,snd-pcm
snd-ac97-codec 57540  1 snd-via82xx
gameport4480  1 snd-via82xx
snd-page-alloc 11972  2 snd-via82xx,snd-pcm
snd-mpu401-uart 7072  1 snd-via82xx
snd-rawmidi23616  1 snd-mpu401-uart
snd-seq-device  8008  3 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-rawmidi
snd52580  12 snd-seq-oss,snd
The only thing that I can think of looking at this is that OSS isn't 
playing nice with ALSA.

/sbin/chkconfig list --sound  and --alsa give
sound   0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off
It's not a KDE thing, since sound doesn't work in IceWM either, and it's 
not a hardware thing, as it works in that other operating system.



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Re: [newbie] Still no sound

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 13:46, robin wrote:

OK, having installed 10.0, I now have supermount sorted out and (fingers 
crossed) nvidia drivers working. But I still have no sound. This is with 
the notorious onboard VIA chip. I've run through the troubleshooting 
process (not that I could understand  much of what it told me) and 
followed all the advice on the Twiki, but still no sound.

Here's what /etc/modules.conf says
WHACK

The only thing that I can think of looking at this is that OSS isn't 
playing nice with ALSA.
WHACK

It's not a KDE thing, since sound doesn't work in IceWM either, and it's 
not a hardware thing, as it works in that other operating system.
Sir Robin


...and it's safe to assume that you've tried other drivers - like
forcing ALSA?
How would I do that?

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Re: [newbie] Still no sound

Frans Ketelaars wrote:
On Sunday 21 March 2004 03:46, robin wrote:

OK, having installed 10.0, I now have supermount sorted out and
(fingers crossed) nvidia drivers working. But I still have no sound.
This is with the notorious onboard VIA chip. I've run through the
troubleshooting process (not that I could understand  much of what it
told me) and followed all the advice on the Twiki, but still no
sound.
Here's what /etc/modules.conf says

probeall scsi_hostadapter sata_via
probeall usb-interface usb-uhci ehci-hcd
alias agpgart via-agp
above snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx
options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2
(the last line was one I added after reading the Twiki)

The relevant parts of the lsmod output are

snd-seq-oss31264  0
snd-seq-midi-event  7552  1 snd-seq-oss
snd-seq51248  4 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event
snd-pcm-oss51812  0
snd-mixer-oss  17824  1 snd-pcm-oss
snd-via82xx23648  0
snd-pcm93220  2 snd-pcm-oss,snd-via82xx
snd-timer  24516  2 snd-seq,snd-pcm
snd-ac97-codec 57540  1 snd-via82xx
gameport4480  1 snd-via82xx
snd-page-alloc 11972  2 snd-via82xx,snd-pcm
snd-mpu401-uart 7072  1 snd-via82xx
snd-rawmidi23616  1 snd-mpu401-uart
snd-seq-device  8008  3 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-rawmidi
snd52580  12 snd-seq-oss,snd
The only thing that I can think of looking at this is that OSS isn't
playing nice with ALSA.
/sbin/chkconfig list --sound  and --alsa give
sound   0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off
It's not a KDE thing, since sound doesn't work in IceWM either, and
it's not a hardware thing, as it works in that other operating
system.


Sir Robin


Do applications 'seem' to play (progress indicator, terminating after a 
reasonable time)? 
Yes.

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Re: [newbie] Still no sound

Charles A Edwards wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:46:54 -0500
robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here's what /etc/modules.conf says


If you are running any of the 2.6.x kernels, they use modprobe.conf and
modprobe.preload Not modules.conf
Hah! That was it - thanks.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community