[RCSE] email address change

[Aerofoam]

I am changing my primary email address
due to a 95% spam ratio.
I have been running filters and anti spam
programs, but I am still getting hammered.
The new email address is aero1  @  aerofoam . com
Please don't give this address to ANY 3rd. parties
or enter it in ANY forwarding sites such as e-cards,
news articles etc. .
Thanks.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com



RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] counter rotating prop ?

[Aerofoam]

> > I have enjoyed sloping my EPP P-38 and now want to electrify it by
> > adding two speed 400 motors.
> > By reversing the wiring on one of the motors the motors  now  rotate in
> > opposite directions.
> > It is not at all clear to me what kind of prop to put on the motor that
> > is rotating clockwise (when viewed from the front). Simply putting a
> > regular prop on backwards does not seem to provide thrust in the proper
> > direction.

You need to find a prop that is available in both directions
of rotation. If you can find a pusher prop of the same model,
it can be mounted backwards (to the direction of travel) and spun
in the proper direction for thrust.
These will only be available for gas engines since it is easy
to change the direction of rotation for electrics.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] micro film

[Aerofoam]

I am looking for a source of the thin
covering films used on indoor planes.
Anyone have a link?

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Hi-start rubber for Hand launch Gliders

[Aerofoam]

> Where can I get replacement rubber for  a Hi-start for hand launch gliders?
> Dream Catcher is sold out.


I haven't stocked HLG sized rubber for a couple of years because
nobody ordered it. When I had 3 50's left, I made an announcement
that I wasn't going to carry it and sold the 3, but since DLG there hasn't been
any demand and the newer HLG's are strong enough to launch on 2m
rubber. If a few people want  HLG rubber, I will make a special
order. The 2m rubber has about 6lbs pull at 300%, the HLG
rubber is about 3lbs.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] zip launch HLGs

[Aerofoam]

>We haven't used the zip starts that Bruce describes for a couple of years due to the
emergence of disk >launch and the difficulty of achieving reasonable equivalence 
between a
zip start and disk launch. To match >a good disk launch, you almost need an upstart 
which
is so long .

If the HLG can take a hard hand launch, it should be able to take
a hard (relatively) catapult launch.
The answer may be to use a stronger rubber (like my 2m Comp. or 3m.)
in a short 10' catapult with an internal limiter.
I use spectra in my military bungees, but mono or braided
would probably be fine for HLG.
The catapult launch would make it necessary to install a second hook (tape on)
about 1" forward of a normal hook position. This keeps the nose down and
allows the plane to accelerate rather than climb like a kite.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: Sun Hats

[Aerofoam]

> Thank you for the link. I've already asked for one for my next "present"
> from the wife.


The ultimate sin hat is the "Sun Tamer"
It is made from a vinyl siding type material, has an adjustable
internal basket so air circulates under it, it has a white
top and dark green bottom, so it reflects heat (and is insulated).
It has a strap and has been tested in very high winds and completely
sheds rain.
I saw these in NM last year and will be ordering one soon
http://www.suntamerhat.com/index.asp

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Layup Tool

[Aerofoam]

>If you hang vinyl min-blinds (1" or larger), save the extra vinyl slats. Or go buy the
cheapest set you can find >at Wal-Mart. Or just sneak a test strip out of that set in 
the
family room.

I have always favored old credit cards for squeegees, so there are 2 good supplies:
1: sign up for those stupid grocery extortion cards under fake names.
2: Buy home desperate or lowes gift cards for $0.01 a piece, they don't have a minimum.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: flying wings

[Aerofoam]

> Meanwhile, the conventional wisdom seems to be you can't launch flying wings
> as high as conventional tailed designs, assuming identical conditions. The
> reason is the high alpha (angle of attack) in a histart or winch launch requires
> you to crank in so much up-elevon, you ruin the efficiency of the wing's
> airfoil.

This is not really true, certain elements CAN be true, but it isn't
the prime reason that causes flying wings to misbehave on a highstart.
I have done a lot of experimenting with respect to winch and highstart
launching of wings and in my opinion, the main reason for difficulty
lies in the fact that there is no tail moment to dampen the sudden
high AOA rotation when you let go of the wing.
The fact that you aren't throwing it into the launch compounds this
condition, so you end up with a wing that is essentially in a flat spin
on a horizontal plane. The wing rotates so quickly that it is completely
stalled. The same thing happens to a lesser degree with scale ships
that have the hook on the bottom of the fuselage which can be
over 5" lower than the wing.
The fix for the scale ship is to throw it (if possible), mount hooks
up near the wings and use a bridal, or let it rise off the ground.
None of these are really possible with the wing, BUT there is one
thing I found that works well although I would be hesitant to do this
with a fragile plane like a Klingberg.
I put my thumb in the right stick well so it causes about 1/8"
of down elevon relative to it's normal trim.
This will vary depending on the plane and you could set
it up on a launch preset. When you let the plane go, it wont try to rotate
as quickly. You pull your thumb out just about as fast as you can think
about it. I would say no more than 1 second after releasing the wing.
This give it enough airspeed to actually achieve a laminar flow before
it rotates, then they tend to go up very well.
You can do a rise off the ground if you put a foam bumper on the end of the line
to prop the front of the wing up. If you don't do this, it will drag along the
ground for a long way. Don't ask me why I know about this..

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: hi-starts

[Aerofoam]

> Hobby-Lobby has these histart tubing connectors that come in several sizes,
> come with rings, look like a good companion to the hosemonster tubing. Myself,
> I wet a suitably sized piece of wooden dowel,  jam that into the rubber end,
> and it clamps on like the old Chinese finger prison puzzle.

I responded to someone about the Hobby Lobby connectors earlier
today, they are really a nice bit of CNC machining, but here is the
what I wrote earlier:

The best way to connect rubber is with a smooth shaft that is more than
3 times the diameter of the ID of the tubing.
(Think about a wrist rocket slingshot with the stretched rubber
aimed at your eye!)
The most important part of the connector is where the tubing constricts
over the end of the connector shaft. The end of the shaft needs to be
rounded so the tubing doesn't chafe itself at the end of the connector.
This is still the spot that eventually wears through.
I have gone a step further with the connector. I make them out of a
semi flexible plastic with a highly tapered end.
They aren't as high tech as the hobby lobby connectors,
but they are better. I have never had one fail, the tubing will
start to fail before the connector and you just cut the end off and
re-install the connector. They are also the lightest connector, so they
don't add any more mass to your launch. (not that this really matters)

I have also recently had new parachutes made to my specs.
They are heavy duty screaming orange rip stop with 3/8" black
nylon webbing risers sewn all the way over the crown.
They come with a # 10 SS split ring rated at 210lbs and a
black 225lb. snap swivel. The ring is only 5/8" dia., weighs about 2 grams
and releases easily from any tow hook I have seen.
The chute is 18" in diameter and does a better job of bringing
the line back.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] shipping

[Aerofoam]

> A short time after the computerized system became effective, "phase two"
> kicked in. That was an increase in shipping rates of all sorts. Not just the
> base rate but things like the over length fee which went from $5 to $7. At
> that point UPS became very expensive, relatively speaking

He's right and I was told that they re-structured their oversized rate.
They use to charge for 30lbs. if your package was oversized, but it jumped
to 70lbs a few years ago. I was told by UPS that the majority of business
was 5lb. to 10lb. small packages from all of the E-commerce, so they
structured their rate to account for how many of those packages would
fit in the volume occupied by a single oversize package. They set it up
so they would make the same $$ for a comparable shipping volume.
FedEx bought out or contracted RPVI trucking for their ground division
and their rate is similar to the UPS rate of 5 years ago.
I have had good service from them.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: Re: [RCSE] shipping

[Aerofoam]

> The cost is not 3 to 5 times what it should be, it sounds like it is 3 to 5 times 
> more
than you want to pay.

This is true.

>  I spent probably close to 2 to 3 hours dealing with UPS to file my claim plus the
receiver spent time as well taking the package back to UPS.

How often do you have to do this?
I have shipped hundreds of packages including oversized ones and never had to deal
with this, so I can assume it doesn't happen to every shipment.
Paying an extra $40.00 per shipment just for protection is still not worth it in my
opinion. If packages were being routinely destroyed I would view it differently,
but you have to amortize that 3 hour negotiation into ALL of your shipping
experience.
My $.02.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] shipping

[Aerofoam]

  Any future
> shipments though with UPS will be through one of their UPS stores where I
> will let them pack and ship the items for me.   They guarantee a total
> hassle free experience

The problem with this is that they charge 3 to 5  times more than it should cost to
ship.
 I was at one of these stores and shipped a 9lb. medium sized
package for about $12.00. (it would have cost about $7.50 for FedEx ground)
I had packed it myself and also had a significant discount for having an account
at the store.
A guy came in with a speedometer assembly for a classic car and let the store
do the packing and supply the materials. This object was about 5lbs and slightly
larger than a bread box. They charged him $28.00 to box and ship it from
Phx. to L.A. It was a standard 5 day shipment.

I am not willing to pay that much to send or receive a package.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] test

[Aerofoam]

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] hi-starts

[Aerofoam]

> > I need landing practise.
> >
> > I've been to a couple of contests where some fliers bring out hi-starts to
> > get a 3-4 m, full-house plane up high enough to shoot a landing in a
> > reasonable manner.  The hi-start is not stretched very far and doesn't
> > have all that much line on it, but for this application a great launch is
> > not needed.  What weight tubing is used for such applications?

Some people like to use the unlimited "mini-start" for this application,
but I recommend my standard 1/2" catapult bungee.
It's usable tension range is from about 15 to 40lbs. depending on
stretch and it will easily launch an open class glider to 100ft. plus
with no line. I always recommend at least 25ft. of line just to put
you out of the danger range if something lets go!
Some people like to use a tape on hook mounted a couple inches forward
of the standard hook so the launch becomes a catapult rather than
a kite- like histart launch.
This method is great for composite planes (glass/foam or molded), I would be reluctant
to try it on a built up like an Ava.
If you are flying a built up, stick with the normal hook position and use
20' to 50' of line depending on the desired launch height. It will still act
as a catapult and really accelerate the plane.
If you are flying any plane that can't take a full pedal winch launch,
stick to a ministart, the standard bungee will re-kit your plane.
Shameless plug:

It is all here:   http://www.aerofoam.com/hosemonster.html

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] From [SALglider] 29.5" Full house DLG?

[Aerofoam]

The 29.5", especially if you
> go full house IS just a toy (read "novelty"--and fits ALL car back
> seats/trunks); if you go for full house at 40" you may be in for some
> REGULAR real FUN!!

I pushed for 1m when this first started. I think it would have developed
into a more serious class. When the Mosquito class started, we didn't
have as much cheap, small radio gear, now there is a huge amount of tiny
goodies waiting for tiny airplanes.
 When I designed my M-Hawk and Noseeum, there was
a fairly good following, but there weren't enough people in one place
at the same time, so events never materialized.
The real following came from "pocket flyers" who wanted a small
plane to fly anywhere, all the time. When I redesigned the Noseeum
to a DLG, the size didn't matter anymore because the launch
became rather extreme. I think the mosquito class would really
be a blast for small field events like hlg golf, steeple chase,
fly through the hula hoop, etc.
I have never seen enough of them in one place though.
I have used the Noseeum for hlg golf on a 9 hole course
against 60" planes and it was hard to keep up with a par
of 2 to 4 strokes per hole. Most of the 60" planes were
averaging 1 to 2 strokes. I would actually prefer the mosquitos
for golf, they are easier to maneuver through the trees.
I have scaled it up to 1m and it flys very well, but you need
a larger area to fly. I guess the real advantage the MHLG
is that you can fly anywhere. I like being able to fly in parking lots
or anywhere I can find a 60ft. clearing

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com



RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: was Re: [RCSE] lead scare

[Aerofoam]

Like I said in a prior post, I can get the tungsten
powder for a very reasonable price if I can order
enough of it. I will probably need to get about 20 lbs.
or more.
It is very easy to cast with paraffin and is easily removable.
I would think that I could put a kit together with about 1/2
pound of tungsten and enough wax for under $10.00
If anyone is interested, let me know.
I already have about 4lbs. (2 small plastic vitamin bottles!)

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

> The really great stuff to use for nose weight is Tungsten.  It has nearly
> twice the density of lead and is non toxic.  Unfortunately it is nearly
> impossible to obtain in any meaningful quantity in powdered form and is so
> incredibly hard it cannot be cut by mere mortals.  I hoard the small (but
> weighty) quantity I have for those occasions for when lead just isn't dense
> enough.
.


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] 1/2" steel rings

[Aerofoam]

I use 1/2" (#10) SS split rings for my high starts, bungees
and mil spec bungees for launching UAV's.
They are rated at 210lbs. and I have never had a failure.
I think they are about $0.25..

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] digital servos for Matt (inventory)

[Aerofoam]

Matt, email again,
my spam filters got your first one!
I still have at least 6 of the digital servos left.
Sorry about the bandwidth!

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] airfoil programs

[Aerofoam]

Does anyone know of any free
down load programs that would allow my to scale a foil
and email the scaled coordinates?

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] Hose Monster announcement.

[Aerofoam]

I just finished updating some of my Hose Monster
Bungee pages: www.aerofoam.com/hosemonster.html
I added some rubber specifications and will be adding
some pictures in the near future.
I have also added the option of ordering a high start
with bright yellow 100lb. Spectra line.
I recommended this for the 2m and 2m competition
high starts because the line weighs about 80% less than
the #18 braided seine. It is only about .018 diameter
and extremely abrasion resistant.
The weight of the line is an issue with the smaller planes
and smaller diameter rubber.
I am only offering it with complete highstarts because
I have to have something to wind it on to and I am
selling barely above wholesale, so I don't want to get
inundated with orders from all the kite flyers
The Spectra option will add $20 for 250ft. and $30 for 500ft.
I have also added 3/4" INSANE Mega Bungee for launching
huge scale ships on the slope. This is 1/4" IDx 1/4" wall thickness
and can generate over 50lbs of pull.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Foamies at Soar Utah and Tri-slope Six-Pack

[Aerofoam]

> Tom is right on point. I'd like to see a good definition that clearly
> divides the scale/performance planes that happen to be made from EPP
> from the EPP combat wing and the like.

It is usually easy to differentiate at first glance.
It is obvious if a plane is built to be scale or for performance.
A combat foamy usually has very little resemblance to a scale plane
or a performance plane and a combat wing is what it is!
My foamy Corsair only has 2 small deviations from scale and they
are nearly impossible to see when it is in the air.
Of coarse it is possible to build one as a tape ball and thrash it,
but this would be evident too. It should be made clear to all that
the CD has the final say on what flys and if it looks like a tape ball
and flys like a tape ball, it will only be allowed in the air during
"after hours" events.
This is like the whole jet ski debate. Here in the San Juan Islands
they banned them completely. This is unfair punishment for those who have the
larger 2 or 3 seat personal watercraft and only use them as you would
use any boat, but it came about because of
HOW the craft was USED  by a bunch of yahoos that just wanted to tear
up a patch of water.
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
EPP makes a good rugged plane, it doesn't have to be a combat foamie.
I could get a beater composite scale plane, fly recklessly and do A LOT
more damage than even possible with an epp scale plane.
Just make it clear that the CD has the final word on
who and what flys and that reckless flying
won't be tolerated.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] Laser cutting

[Aerofoam]

Does anyone know Robert Kartmans email address?
He had done some laser cutting for some of my kits.
I am in need of some more laser cut parts, if anyone
is interested in cutting them, send a reply to this email.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] Laptops? need advice from the nerds.....

[Aerofoam]

OK guys I need advice from the super geeks.(I know there are a few of you out there)
It is time for a new laptop (or a desktop AND a laptop) for Aerofoam.
I have been looking, but haven't made any firm choices.
It must have:
P4 at least 2.4ghz.
60 to 80gig HD.
Video inputs so I can use it in the field as a UAV monitor.
Good video performance for editing.
Good performance with flight simulators.
Good graphics processing.
onboard wireless would be nice.
Reasonable battery operation, 3 hours + would be good.
Nvidia video card with 64meg video ram for 3d CAD operations.

I am still hacking away on a 380mhz Compaq so I am seriously deprived,
if you can think of other useful features, let me know.
I was very impressed with the LCD screen on the new Fujitsu, it even looks
good from way off to the side, I would like to get that type of screen on
whatever I end up with. I won't even consider a pc with a celeron processor
and also won't buy a Compaq or HP.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] NIB Aveox 36/15/4 for sale

[Aerofoam]

I have a NIB Aveox 36/15/4 brushless motor with a 3.7 to 1 gear box
and a SH-18 programmable speed controller for sale.
The speed controller and gearbox have had 2- 10 minute flights on
one of my UAV's, the first motor was defective and burned to a crisp
while only drawing about 12 to 15 amps, so Aveox replaced it with
a new one. I am asking $400.00 for the package. Thats about $80.00
less than I paid 2 months ago.
If anyone is on any of the E-lists, please forward this for me, thanks.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] How High?

[Aerofoam]

> Well if you can see, and controll, and tell what a 2-meter ship is doing at
> 4100 feet!
> Then you must be Superman!

I have to agree with Charlie, I have flown one of my 8ft. deltas to around
2500ft. I verified this by measuring the distance on the ground and
using the altitude gauge on my marine binoculars.
The delta has a LOT of surface area and shows up much better than
skinny wings. It is a small spot at 2500 ft. and I have 20/10 vision.
I have heard verified stories of scale ships being flown higher and
I can believe that, but I believe a 2m. would disappear at about 1500 to 2000ft.
unless the light conditions were perfect..


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Hi-Start HELP

[Aerofoam]

> The weight of the BOT is around 60 oz. or 3.75 lbs.  The rubber
> should have a cross section (unstretched) of around 0.1 sq. in.  That
> weight of rubber is usually described by words like "standard", "3
> meter", "L" or "heavy duty".

A good rule of thumb is that the rubber should have a tension equal to
3 to 5 times the weight of the plane being launched.
The variable is the strength of the plane. A strong composite plane can
probably take up to 8 times it's weight in pull, but do you really want that?
My 2m comp. rubber would be about right for a semi fragile 3.6lb plane because
it has about 12lbs of pull at a medium stretch. If you normally fly
with a bunch of guys with 3m and you also fly 3m planes, you will probably
want the 3m tubing to be more versatile, but you may not be able to stretch
it as far with the fragile plane and may not make it to the top of the launch if you
under stretch the rubber.
Again, I will wait and listen to the "sages" on the list who have experience
with the BOT.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Repair Question

[Aerofoam]

> a bagged foam core wing. The skin is 3/4 oz. cloth
I hit  a wing tip and
> now have a compression failure of the upper skin. The
> wing is still basically strong in that it not very
> flexible where the failure is. I am looking for the
> best way to stabilize the area

Here is a technique I have been using and it works
very well for this kind of damage and for delamination.
You take a small piece of music wire and poke some
holes along the crease. use the music wire to poke from
one hole to the next and lift the crease a bit.
Take some "Elmers Ultimate Glue" (formerly pro-bond)
and put it in the bottom of a paper cup. Add a few drops of water
to the glue and whip it up, then use a syringe to inject the glue from hole to
hole under the skin. You can actually skip every other hole and apply
tape over the injected holes, the glue will foam and expand to the next hole.
Let it kick of for an hour or 2 before shaving off the overflow.
There are alternate methods if you don't have a way to inject the glue:
You can squirt the glue in the holes, then squirt water in the holes, then
plunge the holes with the music wire to push the glue from one hole to
the next. Wipe off the mess with acetone, but don't
 saturate the rag, just dampen it and work quickly, so you don't damage
any foam.
You need to complete the application fast, it starts foaming in a couple minutes.
I have tried other brands and they don't make a very even or dense foam, the
Elmers works best. You can fill VERY Large voids this way.
For large damaged areas, pour the mix in the area as it starts to foam,
sand to shape after it kicks off, fill with light spackle and then re-glass or
just paint if it isn't structural.


Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Harley

[Aerofoam]

.  Now if someone who had the moxy and equipment and was willing to
> offer a set of Genie wings I gotta believe there is a market out there.

I would be interested in a good set of wings like this myself.
I have the equipment, but don't have the time..
I would probably end up building a Mantis type tube fuselage
to save time..
Anyone want to bag a carbon set for me?

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Bungee Launching

[Aerofoam]

> What is the shortest bungee you'd dare to launch an open class sailplane
> with?   I'd like to get it about 50 ft high to practice landings.  What
> diameter tubing would be best?

Most people use the standard 1/2" x 25' bungee,
($38.00 shipped with connectors installed.)
This will take the average open class plane to over 100ft.
If you tape a hook on 2" forward of the normal location,
you can catapult the plane to higher launches.
I also have very short catapult bungees for landing practice.
These are 15ft. of unlimited class rubber with connectors.
($28.00 shipped) These also can be used with or without line.
They are slightly less powerful than the 1/2" rubber and also
have less duration of pull. The resulting launch is 50 to 100' depending
on the weight of the plane. These are good for shooting landings, it
only takes about 30 paces to launch the plane, so you don't spend
much time chasing down the gear.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] LiPoly fires

[Aerofoam]

> Batteries are dangerous the worst battery incident
> I ever saw happened when a bunch of sealed Gates D-Cell Lead Acid

I am now testing a plane using an 8amp 22v Li-poly pack and it makes
me very nervous. is it possible to put a fuse on the pack in case of a dead short?
The motor can pull up to 45 amps, but will normally only be pulling 8 to 20 amps.
What size would I use for short circuit protection?
I think it would be simple to solder an automotive fuse in series with the motor,
but I don't know what value.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Futaba 9C Is A Disaster For Sailplanes

[Aerofoam]

> The 9C may have it's shortcomings but at a price point roughly 1/3
> of the EVO it offers a great deal of functionality, particularly to
> someone like myself, making the move from park flying to more
> serious T&D.

It's a lot more than that!
I have had the 8uaf, 8uafs and now the 9C. It is so capable that I can't
think of anything it wont do, OK you may have to use a mix or 2 to do it,
but I have yet to see any radio as easy to program regardless.
You can just about assign any function to any switch (and there are a lot of switches)
you can jump into the menu and figure out the programming without a 6 month course
and 400 page manual.
You can get the TX from Bruckner hobbies for $249.00
It will work with a hitech "dial a hit" synthesizer.
It can take the big campac for 39 model memories.
It comes PCM or PPM selectable.
My only complaint will be when all those crappy switches start
breaking
I was just talking to a friend who was getting rid of his 9Z's because the
9C did everything he needed for the big IMAC stuff.
It is the most radio for the money without comparison.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] NiMH packs?

[Aerofoam]

> The Quad is very nice. 4 ports ALL at 1 amp each. Perfect for my large
> aerobatic planes with 2 RX packs and the ignition pack plus the TX.

This brings up another question, I have been flying some large planes with
2600 nimh flight and ignition packs. They are the most current cells
that can supply over 5C (I don't need that much current)
I am amazed at the daily loss of charge, they lose over 600mah per day
just sitting there You have to charge these things every time you go flying
if it has been more than a day.
Is this normal with the low resistance cells?
I think they are great for E-power, but for
 the flight packs on large gas, I think I would rather have NiCd or Lithium
just to avoid having to charge every other day whether I use them or not..
Be very careful charging them, I know of a couple people that have
had them explode on charge during a conservative charge cycle.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] Fw: Cheap PC's

[Aerofoam]

I posted this before, but under my other email address, so it will take a day or 2 to 
show
up!
Here is is again the first time, sort of.

> Does anyone know of a killer deal on a fairly
> fast PC 1.2GHZ or faster with an invidia graphics card
> and reasonable amounts of RAM on the pc and video card?
>
> I am needing to build a PC to run "Solid Works" on and it
> needs to handle large 3D graphic CAD files.
>
> Mark Mech
> www.aerofoam.com
>
>


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Dyneema, Spectra

[Aerofoam]

There was a similar fiber available in cloth from a British source,
I think it was called Dynel or something similar.
The home built boat community liked it for the final
layer on the bottom of the boat. It was so abrasion
resistant that you could beach the boats with very little
wear. This would probably be good on the skid area
of slopers..

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Best vehicle for RC transport

[Aerofoam]

If you want a wagon, consider a post 1983 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Wagon.
These cars sell for less than $7K used, get about 30 miles per gallon on
diesel fuel which is usually cheaper when gas prices spike and this car
has plenty of power.
The maintenance consists of oil and fuel filter changes and 200K is low mileage
for these cars.
I will be looking for one in the near future myself...

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] E-motor programs

[Aerofoam]

What is the best program for calculating motor, prop, gearbox, battery
combinations???

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] JR Web site/Hitec

[Aerofoam]

> I think Hitec wins the contest in Best web page with good information.


Hitec wins on everything that is service related.


Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] Hitec TX crystals

[Aerofoam]

I want to change (add) crystals to a flash 4x, where do I get
them? are they the same as the RX crystal?

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] I picked up a Sears Bandsaw.

[Aerofoam]

  At a $130 for the Craftsman, its a marginal value,
> but its a much better saw than the Tradesman.  If I was in the market, I'd
> wait for the Craftsman to go on sale.  By the way, the Tradesman is only a
> 1/4 hp.  You get what you pay for.

1/4hp is plenty for a small bandsaw.
Every now and then the Ryobi 9" bandsaw goes on sale for $79.00
this is probably a better bandsaw, BUT you won't find too many
bandsaws for $59.00 EVER and it will be more than adequate
for cutting balsa, foam, plastic and aluminum..

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] cured epoxy question

[Aerofoam]

> It actually has some unrelated amines that are on the surface or will
> migrate to the surface


That was supposed to be un-reacted amines, my spell checker fixed it and
sent it
before I could stop it!

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Surface flutter revisited

[Aerofoam]

> I have to question the statement about counterbalancing.  The
> kind of mass we are concerned with is rotational mass, i.e. moment
> of inertia.  Counterbalancing increases MI, the opposite of what we
> want.

But it increases the rotational mass without increasing the surface area, so
the increased mass
dampens the movement. It takes more force to get the surface moving in the
first place.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Aeromodeling Breakthrough!

[Aerofoam]

> When I was a kid back in the late '70's my R/C mentor was the town funeral
director.  He was using CA on the stiffs when ZAP was first introduced.  He
pushed everyone in the club to try it as he knew how useful it was.

I still remember the first "blue hotstuff" that stuff was so volatile, you
could put a drop at the bottom of a
wing skin/rib joint and it would wick about 3" to 4" and let off a puff of
toxic gas/smoke.
You could let go of the rib immediately! My eyes are burning just thinking
about it!
I think they have toned it down a bit since then...

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Making wing templates

[Aerofoam]

> I'd like to make a variety of different wings but don't have the tools,
> time or patience (emphasis on tools and patience) to make my own
> templates.  Is there anyplace out there or anyone who makes templates or
> a system of trading templates or renting them?

Go to Home depot and get some aluminum coil (roofing valley) it comes in
different widths.
You can glue the print out to the metal and cut it with scissors. Dress it
with a small file.
For one off designs, just contact cement them to the foam. You can cut quite
a few wings with a set
before they wear out. If you want a more permanent template, use the
galvanized sheets for roof
patching, they are $0.59 and about 10"x6" Cut the template with a lower
section that can drop
into slots in a "wing panel holding board". You can use the same board for
all your templates.
I can make an aluminum template set in about 10 minutes, the galv. steel
takes about 30 minutes.
You can also use masonite and a bandsaw...

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] SWC Landing Circle

[Aerofoam]

PS, one of the reasons for this landing was to minimize time and people in
the landing zone.
You know right away what the score is and you don't need to measure.
We wouldn't have been able to turn the LZ around for upwind landings because
the planes would then have to make their final over the spectator area, so
we were stuck with downwind landings once the wind came around.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

>
> The LZ as well as aerial pics of the pilots meeting and group photo can be
> seen at:
>
> http://www.aerofoam.com/swc2003.html
>

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Multiplex/Hitec by-out

[Aerofoam]

> Let me get this right, you state and I quote: "If the market stops
> supporting a business, there will be
> change."Lets see, Multiplex got bought out, that's change.  I guess
> someone stopped supporting their business.  OK, who done it?  Who stopped
> supporting Multiplex.  It wasn't me...I just bought a receiver from them.
> Must have been you Mark.  By self admission in your latest post and by
> another persons today,  you both admit to buying Hitec.

How on earth did you stretch this to such a conclusion
Are you a liberal spin doctor?
Maybe on prescription anti depressants?
All I am saying is that the only response to companies that breach
contracts is to not support them. It is the only real power that the buyer
has.
If this results in a drop in their sales, they will hopefully learn
a lesson from it and operate in a more upstanding fashion the next time
around.
We don't have that many suppliers, so we are sort of stuck.
There is no way that this action will put anyone out of business,
but if enough people stand up for principles, it may influence future
decisions.
Or I suppose you can just roll over, say everything is fine and let some
businesses
screw others.

Hitec has had the highest standard of service, this is why
some of the recent events have surprised me.
Hopefully they will maintain that standard and also keep to their contracts.
Karlton has done more for the high end of this industry in the last 2 years
than the big 3 have in the last 15.
He built the Multiplex market in the US and should be compensated for this
or included in the loop.
This aspect isn't any fault of Hitec. MPX Germany should have negotiated
a better contract for Karlton. It really doesn't effect me because I have
wholesale
access through other distributors, but I believe in principle, so I will
stand up for it.
I hope Hitec comes through and does the right thing.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: May be this will help?

[Aerofoam]

>This Sierra 2.5m glider is advertised as for F3f. Is anyone flying it? It
looks good and the price is about what I >was shooting for to get these guys
an entry level glider.


  I have heard good things about this plane, good thermal performance and
good on the slope.
A club in Olympia is catapult launching them with bungees, so they must be
strong!

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Small Brushless/new battery technology

[Aerofoam]

> Again, Hecells are at their max current rating as well with this motor. If
> you run these cells at more than 16 or so amps for very many flights you
end
> up with an 850mah cell very quickly. Use them under 16 and they will last
> you a while @ 1050mah. Sanyo has a cell out early next year that is
supposed
> to be better than the HECELLS with lower internal resistance.

Thanks for the info!!!
On  related note, I was contacted by "Zinc Air" They are producing a new
battery
with more capacity and lighter weight than the Lithium Ion/polymers and the
Zinc Air
battery can deliver much higher current, charge faster and isn't explosive.
Sounds like an RC dream doesn't it?
As usual, they are filling the military pipe line now and they won't be
available to
the public for a year or so.
They contacted me because they wanted to order 4 delta wings to demonstrate
the
batteries in a small UAV capacity. I wanted them to agree that they wouldn't
use
or reproduce the airframe for any other purpose besides demonstrating there
products,
but they weren't willing to do this. Makes you wonder.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: RE "Here is the Ultimate Winch/Retriever line swivels"

[Aerofoam]

> Check the link I posted.  I first posted on RCSE about these almost
> 2 years ago, and recommended them several times on RCSE since then :)
> Anyways, no matter how you found out about them, I'm glad you like 'em.
> > Thanks for adding your comments.  Can't imagine why not to use the cool
clips included.
> The snap is rather heavy.

Use the 2/0 snap swivels, they are rated at 225lbs.
I use them on the "Hosemonster" Highstarts. They are excellent.
You don't really need the ball bearing swivels, they are designed for use
under water
and don't take kindly to dust.
Those of you in very green areas can get away with them. but if you don't
need an extra swivel in the system, you may as well stick with the snap
swivels.
I buy mine in bulk directly from Roscoe.
You can get them from me, from the former link mentioned or from
Shark River (fishing supplier www.srmo.com)

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Small Brushless Motors and ESC

[Aerofoam]

> I would like to upgrade to a Speed 400/480 size brushless motor,
> probably one for direct drive and one for a planetary gear box.  If
> anyone has suggestions as to which is the best, most reliable,

I have been told about a fairly new motor.
The motor is the aerix speed 280 brushless. there are two versions: pm516 16
turn 6 to 8 cells, and pm520 20 cell turn 7 to 10 cell. both are $79 from
hobby lobby. It has a 480 output with less amp draw for 10 to 30oz planes.
22m diameter, 48mm long, 48grams weight, carbon fiber case. Recomended to
use jeti 18amp brushless controller. 8cells with 4.7X4.7 prop is 19,400 with
no gear=) Imagine 10 cells with that prop and motor!!!
They are running it on the new "hexcell" NiMh 1100 mah cells that weigh less
than 600 AR's and can deliver higher amps!
If anyone knows a wholesaler for this motor let me know..

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Real Flight help

[Aerofoam]

> Always a good idea to register software that is purchased, and to keep the
> installation codes for software somewhere other than the computer you
> installed the software on

I never register software, except for Norton for services.
I do write the codes on the disk with permanent ink.
Any free download programs get burned to disk in the original
download form and any codes are written on the disk.
This has proven useful with free programs that were somewhat useful,
but were changed at a later date and were no longer available for free.
I keep a "download" folder that has the zipped programs and there unzipped
form in separate
folders. I burn the whole download folder every now and then for back up.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Bondo and Goldilocks

[Aerofoam]

Lee wrote:
I have a variety of composite structures that need to be filled.  I have
been using hardware store Bondo for this lately.  It works well enough
except it is way too hard, difficult to sand to a finish without boogering
up the surrounding surfaces. It's also rather heavy.

There are 2 options, same fillers, different resins.
Epoxy is great stuff, but if you have a poly resin to begin with, you can
stick with poly resins, unless
there is a critical adhesion issue.
You will thicken the resins with micro balloons and a bit of fumed silica to
prevent sagging.
You keep the silica to a minimum or it gets harder to sand. You can use a
lot of micro balloons
in the mix if it isn't structural. I have used over 400% by volume to get an
almost dry-ish mix that
can be stuffed into major gaps. You work a bit more resin in to the top
layer to get a smoother finish.
This results in a light filler.
Epoxies are more flexible and adhere better, but once you have epoxy on a
surface you are stuck
with using only epoxy there after.
This isn't as important with small airplanes, but can make a huge $$
difference with large boats!

Mark Mech (Back in the desert after towing a trailer through 3 days of
California storms!)
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Painting EPP

[Aerofoam]

> Polypropaline doesn't bond to much of anything.  In order to get a
> permanent bond it needs a surface treatment.  In industrial settings
> the preferred method is to expose it to fluorine gas but that's REALLY
> nasty stuff and not for amateures.  A much safer, though less
> effective, alternative is ozone

This isn't necessary, EPP is very porous and the paint will stay put, you
need to put a light coat on first though.
You can also apply paint, then  3m spray 90, then another thin coat of paint
over the glue while it is still wet and then apply clear packing tape. 3m
highland is the only one that I have found to stand up to UV though.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Fixing a twisted EPP wing?

[Aerofoam]

> I have a 48" EPP foamie covered in strapping tape, then Ultracote.  One of
> the wings is twisted and I'm wondering if there is a way to fix this

If the strapping tape was put on with uneven ntension, you are sort of
screwed.
However!, you can try blocking the plane in some wood scraps with opposite
twist, then let it
remain that way for a week od 2. After this, try re-ironing the covering to
take up the wrinkles, you can also apply a strip of colored packing tape in
the proper orientation  to hold the new twist in tension.
This tape can be ironed later to increase the tension if needed.
I really dislike ultracote because it won't hold a set and this is a major
structural function on an EPP plane.
If you really want a bomb proof EPP plane stick with liquid contact cement,
strapping tape and colored packing tape. If weight isn't an issue you can
apply sign vinyl over the clear packing tape for a very strong skin that
will take paint for scale designs.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] GLIDER SPAM

[Aerofoam]

I just got spammed by the guy from FVK models
Whats the world coming to?

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Virus??

[Aerofoam]

Do not go to the website, it is a new form of virus that hacks your address
book and send out messages, just visiting the site can do this if you don't
have appropriate firewalls.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

- Original Message -
From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Virus??


> Hi Mike,
> That first message did not come from the computer you sent this message
> from.  Unless you have two computers you do email from I think you are
safe.
>
> Some email virii when they spread they fake the email headers so it looks
> like it came from someone else.
>
> Jim
>
> At 05:23 PM 11/22/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >Was suprised to see a message to all from me that I did not send. Not
sure
> >what is is? I would not look or search for it. Have done a Virus scan,
but
> >nothing turns up. Going to update again.
> >
> >Not really sure it came from me?  How can you tell??
> >
> >Mike
>
> Jim
> Downers Grove, IL
> Member of the Chicago SOAR club,  AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III
> ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net
>

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Connecting hi-start rubber

[Aerofoam]

> What's the best way to join two pieces of surgical tubing on a
> highstart.

The best way is to use a solid rod that is about 1.5 to 2 times larger in
diameter than the OD of the tubing.
It can be aluminum or nylon, it really doesn't atter except that it needs to
be strong and the ends need to
be rounded with no sharp "shoulder".
Installation is made easier by lubing the tube and rod with a bit of hair
spray or contact cement and quickly
assembling while it is still very wet.
The tubing has an amazing ability to contract and grip the rod. Think about
a "wrist rocket" sling shot
with the rubber poised to smack you in the eye if it were to come off !!
My connectors are nylon with a small hole drilled in one end to take a #210
eyelet.
I use a stainless steel split ring on one end and a 225 pound fishing snap
swivel to connect to the other.
Of course the simple way would be to order the connectors, rings ands snap
link from me for about $8.00

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com



RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Flying a wing for the first time

[Aerofoam]

> Wow, what a project! I'm not sure I would want to risk a maiden flight.
> Just put it into the museum. ;^)

After seeing the picture of such a fragile balsa ship, I would recommend
serious bicycle testing (see my trimming wings page).
The bicycle is your portable wind tunnel. You can also do this from a
convertible car or
from the bed of a pickup truck. You need a good clear area to maintain 15 to
25 mph while
trim the plane. Hold it at the CG in the clear air stream and trim it for
level flight.
Definitely trim it with a bit of extra nose weight for stability.
This will also show you how responsive it will be when you apply stick
input.
You will probably want to use negative expo to tame the controls.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] New Shop

[Aerofoam]

> I am just finishing a room in the basement. This room will be my new
> shop. It is ~13*15 feet. My question goes out to those who have had a
> shop, have a shop or who have dreams for a shop. What is important to
> include in the shop

I have built my shop into a 7'x22' Aljo travel trailer ($250.00 used), so I
know about using small spaces.
The hot wire table is against the rear wall. The rest of the space is
storage except for the bandsaw, which doubles as a work table area. The
table saw/router table sets up behind the bandsaw and can extend the
workspace or be placed out of the way. The storage bin to the side is waist
high and narrow and provides additional bench top space. One side wall has a
slide rack which is 2"x3" metal stud with the open ends of the C shape
facing each other. The bottom channel is above a low storage bin and the top
channel is 4ft. above it. This allows me to flex 4'x8' sheets of corroplast
into the channels and holds it snug against the wall.
The bandsaw is a craftsman with the large table that doesn't tilt (the saw
part tilts). I have added 3.5" wood rails to the front and back edge of the
table for clamping fences and to make the workspace larger. The crosscut
guide hangs on the back of the saw and the compressor sits under the saw.
I have always used a piece of equipment as a work table, in my old shop it
was the table saw and I had a 3'x 4' wooden top for it. I mount my router
under one of the wings of the table saw, so the saw doubles as a router
table.
You can hang all the small tools on the wall behind the work bench/hot wire
table area and hang the bows above the small tools since you won't be
grabbing them all the time.
I have racks that hold the long stock, spars, etc. up high out of the way
and I also store foam against the ceiling.
I also have a larger table that assembles outside for cutting the 8ft.
deltas and has a slot that a skill saw can be clamped into for a second
table saw. There is an exhaust fan (gable mount 1500cfm from home desperate
$30.00ish) that can be hung on a rear vent behind the hot wire table or
above it over the roof vent.
I am actually only using about 14ft. of the trailer since the front section
is currently set up as a digital recording booth!

PS, your shop is palatial in my opinion

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and 
unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

[RCSE] Corel 7 help! / Corsairs and thanks...

[Aerofoam]

Does anyone have a Corel Photopaint 7 disk #1 ?
I lost disk #1 and lost the program when my HD crashed in April and haven't
been able to reload the program.
Corel only supports the past 2 versions, so I am screwed..
I really need to edit some photos for the web site.

Soaring content:
I also have about 5 Corsair Blem kits at $20.00 off the normal price!
The blems are minor and will only add about 20 minutes to the normal
building time.
Email for more info.

Thanks for the bungee orders, I am now up to speed on bungees and histarts
and have worked out
the kinks in the supply line!

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] How far distance/time from your flying site?

[Aerofoam]

I just found out there is a slimer club about 5 miles from me, there is a
slope about 12 miles away and I fly my Noseeum at the ferry landing (3miles)
or in front of my house...

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Hi-Start tubing and Armor All?

[Aerofoam]

You need to protect it from ozone and UV, the good stuff (Mine!)
www.aerofoam.com/hosemonster.html
 is loaded with carbon black for UV protection.
I will be getting the "rubber milk" Hollyday Designs sold for treatment.
There are a number of protectants that are available, armor all is probably
the worst. I have witnessed things deteriorate much faster with armor all
than with nothing at all.
Some people put their rubber in a bucket of water for storage, this is a
good way to do it too.
I keep mine in a soft ice chest type bag, this keeps the moisture in and the
temps fairly constant.
I have been using the same catapult for 4 years without any special
treatment.
It is showing signs of being retired to a zip start...

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

- Original Message -
From: "David Judson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "soaring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Hi-Start tubing and Armor All?


> I take mine off of the reel and put it loosely into a brown paper bag and
> shake in a little talc.  Don't store it in a car trunk, a hot garage, or
in
> Southern California smoggy air (very bad for wiper blades, tires, etc.)
>
> Wiggle your sticks
> David Judson
> Riverside, CA
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > Subject: [RCSE] Hi-Start tubing and Armor All?
> >
> > Do you use anything on your tubing such as Armor All?I have a bungee
> > from Hollyday that I only use a few times a year.Should I put
> > something on it?(Other than my plane)
> >
> > Scott Hamm
>
>
>
> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe"
and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Red Herring 34" specifics, links, etc

[Aerofoam]

> in 1# EPS
>
> Root Chord: 12"
> Tip Chord: 5"
> Wing Span: 34" (17" per wing)
> Airfoil: SD7003 with thickness at 8.514% and camber at 1.482%

>From what I understand the original foil was modified at under side of the
trailing edge area.
It has a good roll rate and is very aerobatic.
That being said, here comes the shameless plug!
For $39.00 (shipping included) you can get the ALL EPP Noseeum which can be
built in a number
of different configurations. As a DLG it will out thermal ANY similar sized
plane I have seen and quite a few 60" HLG's. It doesn't have the roll rate
of the Herring, but it is fairly aerobatic on the slope.
I am in the process of rewriting the instructions and releasing a carbon
spar DLG version which will be about
$47.00 shipped It will have a carbon wing spar and tail boom and I have
switched to 2mm coroplast for the tail.
I also have come up with a way to turbulate the LE to restore the low speed
handling that is lost when you tape the LE. This version really works well
and is very indestructable like a foamie should be!

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] RE: Combat Foamies and Safety

[Aerofoam]

> Not only are they self-insured, but they are talking about raising
> membership dues because of it.  They say that an increase is needed.  How
> long ago did the Board vote to give Joyce Hager some big bonus?

This sounds more like it, from what I understand, the insurance premium is
less than $3.00 per person, lets face it, it's not a hich risk event.
Thousands of kids are injured every year playing softball, many with
permanent results.
I would guess that you could count the number of notable RC injuries with
less than 10 fingers.
Maybe they could spend a little less on Muncie improvements and retirement
plans and increase the insurance.

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Is wingeron - pitcheron possible with dihedral wing?

[Aerofoam]

> What problems would I face if I converted a
> rudder/elevator ship to a rudder/elevator/wingeron
> ship - with a wing that has dihedral?

My Mosquito Hawk fits your description. (that is why it was named)
It has curved dihedral in the tips and a bit of dihedral in the center
panels.
It works well, but the quick movement of the wing can cause an accelerated
stall if too much control
input happens too fast.
 You also need more throw than you would think and this would require very
large servos for a big wing.
A lot depends on the foil and it's ability to handle fast AOA changes.
It isn't the ideal set up for a thermal glider, but it is fun.

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Atlatl?

[Aerofoam]

> Well, it doesn't quite work for me.  The HLG was all over the sky.
> The release isn't consistent.  Sometimes the glider will launch
> horizontally, sometimes vertically.  But it took no effort to
> launch it fast enough to make it howl,

It works great if the plane is light enough and strong enough to take the
force.
I have designed one specifically for launching my Noseeum and have been
considering putting it in a kit form. I haven't done this simply because you
can get adequate launch height with discus launching and you don't need the
apparatus.
I haven't built a Noseeum specifically for atlatl launching, but I beleive
that launch heights of over 150ft. would be possible. I was launching to
around 100' to 120' with a noseeum with no spars, but it would flutter and
the tape would need re-ironing after about 6 launches. A couple of carbo
spars would fix that. I am not ready to give out the design details of the
atlatl and those that I emailed a copy to have promised not to pass it on,
but I may make the plans available if there is some interest.

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Slope Junkie SPECIAL

[Aerofoam]

>I just got in some really great kits.  These are fully molded EPP flying
wings.
>These are the most complete kits (includes all the tape and hardware) that
I have seen yet.  They also >come with more than two dozen light sticks.
And the price is amazing:


Ahh, the cheap Chinese knock offs have finally arrived!
I knew they were working on molding EPP and the problems would eventually be
worked out.
I know someone that is working on a deal with a Chinese toy MFG. that will
put a small molded EPP
park flyer in every Walmart for about $30.00 WITH RADIO!
The radio only costs about $1.50 to produce!!
Hopefully the planes that cottage industries (such as myself ) produce will
be too complex and have too small of a market to be targetted by "The Borg"
of industry!
This could be a good thing in the long run though. It will force people like
me to start producing all the strange and exotic ideas that have been pushed
to the back burner in favor of more marketable designs.
It will also produce a supply of cheap electronics as the kiddie toys
progress.
I can see it eventually leading to fly by wire systems with crash proof
planes for the kids. The plane will have automated controls that keep it
flying, but respond and interpret your inputs.
The electronics and technology is already there, someone just has to come up
with the programming

Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove NOSPAM the address
or just hit "reply"
www.aerofoam.com

RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] 2 Hours Left

[Aerofoam]

> Only 2 hours left to bid on the 2 Meter Geraris Fox.
> Do I have to sell it this cheap?? (yep, ebay policy)
>

Only if you were foolish enough to not set a reserve!
You can always submit a reserve high bid yourself and then you will buy it
from yourself unless there is a higher bid.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Tape and Tiplet Question

[Aerofoam]

> Has anyone ever had the Uline tape get old and not
> stick well?  My tape is about 2-3 years old and I did
> the 3m77 but it wants to come up.  Not good
> considering I have to fly this weekend.

The Uline tape is inferior compared to the 3m tape, I stay away from it.
Tiplets can be attached with velcro.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] MUGI - Has anybody ever built one of these

[Aerofoam]

> With an experienced modeler's help (meaning yourself), you can instruct
with
> many different models. However, it will not be ideal. If your only looking
> for a plane which will be impressive in YOUR hands, he'll love it.

I don't totally agree with this,I have taught a few people on my Avros and I
am going to paste a reply that I sent to Andy earlier and I will ad that I
have since checked out the MUGI site and I think the roll rate is rather
sluggish compared to my epp 36" deltas because they say you can do a couple
of rolls on the way up and a couple on the way down. Those of you that are
avid "Avro" flyers are now chuckling at this because you KNOW about roll
rate!

Here is my earlier reply to Andy:

This should be similar to my Avro, but probably heavier.
The Avros are good trainers but need to be set up by someone with good
piloting skills because they are very responsive. I can't imagine the
corroplast design flying as efficiently as the epp wings I produce because
of weight and the foil shape, but you can build it for next to nothing and
it should be a lot of fun on a bungee. Bungeeing is the way to train in my
opinion. The student gets a lot of launching and landings and this really
improves his skill.
You should give it a try, it will only cost a few bucks to build (build a
backup at the same time) you can trash it teaching, then swap the radio when
he can take care of version 2. It would build very fast if you put the radio
in with double sided tape.

  Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Quote of "last" week..

[Aerofoam]

.."Thinking too much about
> design, can make you fall off your thermal


I think this needs to be a T-shirt!

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE]

[Aerofoam]

This is a hoax, do not delete the file, windows uses the file and you will
be out on a limb.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com

- Original Message -
From: "Paul & Rickie Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Milton Jones"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "rsiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:12 AM
Subject: [RCSE]


> We received this warning today. Please check your hard drives. We found
one
> on both the C and the D hard drives.
>
> Paul and Rickie
>
>
> Just received the following warning from fellow missionaries who had sent
> us an email prior to my sending one to yours. Please check out the
> following for the sake of your files... ~David
>
> ===
> We received this from a friend and now we're sending it along to everyone
> in our address book, because we found this virus in our computer too. It
> doesn't make itself known in any way that we can detect, and the Norton
> Anti Virus program apparently misses it. Follow these instructions and you
> should have no problem.
> --
>
> Sorry to do this to you, but a friend sent my a virus by accident. Chances
> are, you all have it because I checked to see if I did, and I did. It
> transfers to who ever is in your address book. It lies dormant for 14
> days, then kills your hard drive.
>
> Here is how to stop it. If you've got it (i.e. if you find the indicated
> file), send this to everyone in your address book for their sake.
>
> 1. Go to start-then to 'find or search'
>
> 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in: sulfnbk.exe??? This is
> the virus file.
>
> 3. In the "look in" make sure you're searching drive C
>
> 4. hit 'Search' button (or Find)
>
> 5. If this file shows up (it's an ugly, blackish icon that will have the
> name: sulfnbk.exe)
>  DO NOT OPEN IT! 
>
> 6. Right click on the file - go down to delete and left click (Or simply
> hold the "Shift" button down and press the Del/Delete key; then you're
> done. If you just press the Del/Delete key, then go to step 7.)
>
> 7. It will ask if you want to send it to the recycle bin.---say yes
>
> 8. Go to your desktop (where all your icons are) and double click on the
> recycle bin. If you don't find the recycle bin icon there, go to My
> Computer and find the recycle bin icon for drive C and open it.
>
> 9. Right click on sulfnbkexe and delete again or just empty the
> recycle bin.
>
>
> If you find this file..send this email to everyone in your address
> book, because that's how it's transferred.
>
>
> Paul Clark, SKY PILOT ONE, Osaka, Japan(AMA # 53 777 1)
> http://www.kcat.zaq.ne.jp/skypilot/
> SKY PILOT'S HANGAR--RCHLG AFICIONADO
>
> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe"
and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] NSP not including plans for their kits.

[Aerofoam]

Daryl said:

> So what are you looking for? Control throws?  CG? Hook position?
>
> Let me take some time out and make this easier for you all:
>
> Control throws - Adjust to taste
> CG - Adjust to taste
> Hook position - Should rotate hard - adjust to taste

I have to second this.
When I first heard complaints about no instructions, my first thought was:
"if you need instructions for these planes, you shouldn't be flying them!"
They are already completely built, short of wiring and radio installation
and
if you can't handle that part, you need to build some more of my foamies
first! :~)
I always determine CG by starting at about 35% back from the LE and adding
some weight to the nose, then move it back until it gets squirrelly.
Control throws, as much as possible, but tempered with exponential..

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com



RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Optima Batteries

[Aerofoam]

I am on a couple of boating lists and the discussion of deep cycle batteries
comes up occasionally.
The best value for the money is the Trojan golf cart  battery, it comes in
6v and 12v. Most people like the 6v. because the plates are a bit thicker
and they tolerate abuse better, but the 12v can be cycled deeper than any of
the other lead acid batteries. There is one better battery AGM I think, but
not sure.
It is better, but it is over twice the cost and won't last longer.
The Optima's can't be cycled as deeply as the Trojans without destroying
them in short order.Most deep cycle batteries claim that you can take them
to 50% of their capacity, but the truth is once you use over 30%you are
shortening the life of the battery.
The Optima's are very good for starting and other cold cranking high amp
applications that are more intermittent, this might also include launching
sailplanes! Just don't cycle them too deeply or you will have an expensive
plastic box of lead.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] 2 NIB Artimus KC's....

[Aerofoam]

For sale:
2 NIB Artimus KC's.
One has a KC fuselage and wing $625 plus shipping.
One has a standard glass fuselage and KC wing $600 plus shipping.
There are pictures at:
www.aerofoam.com/artipage.htm

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Stan Sadorf -Re: Prism module in 8uaf

[Aerofoam]

Hi Stan  --  You have hit on the reason I had Pete Waters do his magic.  It
> avoids the headache of turning on the TX, and while its on -pulling the
> module out and reinserting it - and at that point the flashing RF
indicator
> goes from flashing to steady

I have never had to do that with my 8uafs.
I have been told that the futaba puts out a stronger signal to the module
and the prizm module will abruptly fail.
I haven't had this problem, yet. But I only use it for inexpensive micro
stuff.
It is also not FCC| legal and if you were to be the cause of an accident at
any event, it would probably be cause enough for the AMA insurance to be
voided.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Flying Smaller Slopes

[Aerofoam]

> >"Any micro plane is usually beer on a small slope"
>
> I thought we weren't supposed to mix alcohol with flying? :)

My stinking laptop skips letters when  type too fast!
(Or when I have too much beer)

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #134

[Aerofoam]

> "- How can we make sure, or at least fairly sure, this won't happen
> again?"
>
> Yes, that is the question.  Last week most Americans would have bulked at
> being photographed and fingerprinted before being allowed to board an
> airplane.  Perhaps not today.  I do not believe my personal freedom would
be
> diminished if required to have a 'domestic' passport
SNIP

I have a real aversion to the knee jerk reaction of losing more freedoms in
the name of "safety"
Benjamin Franklin said
Those people that would give away their hard earned freedoms for security
will end up with Neither!

Any jerk can have a false identification card and get on to a flight.
If they had 3 or more people, they wouldn't even have needed weapons.
Most people freeze and deny what is going on until it is too late to react.
An armed guard or flight crew (with a better cabin door) is the only thing
that could have thwarted this sort of act. They will also have to have a
protocal wherein the crew and passengers are expendable rather than giving
up control of the plane.
I have heard they are already screening for knifes and even plastic cutlery.
This is utter nonsense focusing on the weapon instead of making examples of
criminals before anything escalates to this degree.
There are plenty of sharp objects that will make it through a detector.
Maybe they should pass out large knifes as you board the plane.
How far do you think a hijacker would get against an armed mob of passengers
now?
I'm not trying to start a flame war, we are all in a bit of a rage, but more
public "control" is ALWAYS the worst solution and it never works anyway...

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Re: what paint sticks to coroplast?

[Aerofoam]

> Try using vinyl paint, it's flexible, comes in spray cans of many colors.
> It can be bought at most auto parts stores. (it's used for painting car
> interiors)

Very thick and heavy
I have used it on wingtips of epp planes though, but Dip It is better for
tips.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Re: what paint sticks to coroplast?

[Aerofoam]

> How about Utracote, will that stick to coroplast?  I'm getting my JW kit
shortly
> and I would like to cover the coroplast fin.

Only if you put contact cement on the fin first, you are better off covering
the fin with sign vinyl or colored packing tape, I usually wipe it down with
a harsh solvent like toluene first.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com




RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Re: what paint sticks to coroplast?

[Aerofoam]

>Well, since they use it for signs, I'd call up the local sign shop and ask
what >screen printing ink they use on the signs.

They don't print on the coroplast, they print on sign vinyl, then stick it
on the coroplast, or they cut they letters out and stick them on.
You can get spray paints to stick if you sand it aggresively, but nothing
will stick well, you are better off covering it with sign vinyl.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com




RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] LED's

[Aerofoam]

> Has anyone experimented with taking apart one of those super bright led
> lights you can find at REI or other outdoor places?  I think they are
called
> sapphire LED's.  I was thinking of doing this for my slowflyer as landing
> lights.

You can buy the super bright white or blue LED's, they can be up to $3.00 a
piece. Some are dual element.
I have driven airborne LEDs buy using groups of 2 wired in series, the
groups are wired in parallel to the 4.8v. flight pack.
My 36" Avro would run for 45min. with all 8 bright LED's burning from the
250mah flight pack.
Green and yellow are far more visible than red, it has to do with the color
sensitivity of our eyes. Blue is really bad.
If there is enough interest, I might be able to get a good surplus bulk
purchase going...

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: You are infected witht he SirCamVirus (was Re: [RCSE] Fw: Kit price (email virus warning))

[Aerofoam]

Hi Mathew, (rcse), I don't have the virus, I have had it sent to me a few
times.
I have never opened it and have done numerous Norton scans.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com

- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Orme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> You are infected with the SirCam Virus. Please remove this address from
> your address book
>
>
>
> Matthew Orme
> Aveox Electric Flight Systems Inc. http://www.aveox.com
> Matthew Orme
> Aveox Electric Flight Systems Inc. http://www.aveox.com
> 31324 Via Colinas, #104 Westlake Village, Ca 91362
> (818) 597-8915 x 102 Fax:(818) 597-0617 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] Fw: Kit price (email virus warning)

[Aerofoam]

I just recieved the email below with a pif. doc. attached that had a virus.
I new it had the virus because this is the 4th one I have received with the
same message. The subject surprized me though, it is apparently
targeted..
Watch out for any of the emails that say they "want your advice on a file"

 Mark Mech


- Original Message -
From: "Edward Wojciechowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:55 AM
Subject: Kit price


Hi! How are you?

I send you this file in order to have your advice

See you later. Thanks







>


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] AMA is now a spammer!

[Aerofoam]

I just got spammed by the AMA!!
What were they thinking?
They have now destroyed the last shreds of credibility that they were
hanging on to. It's a sad day in modelville.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com




RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Gentle Lady on slope

[Aerofoam]

> What kind of slope (how big and steep) is required for Gentle Lady? Or is
> it impossible or pointless at all? I just attempted to fly mine on the
> biggest local slope and was lucky enough to get it back undestroyed.

I use to slope a GL all the time, you need a lot of rudder throw, at least
45 deg. each side and you need ballast in strong lift.
They are tricky to bring back in one piece because they are really too
fragile for most of the slope sites I have flown.
You would be better off with an EPP Highlander.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com




RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] CHARLIE MILLER YOU HAVE A VIRUS

[Aerofoam]

> However, you can still become infected with the
> backdoor/security-comprimise part of the virus.  I use Eudora and I
> absen-mindedly double clicked on an attachment from someone I trusted,
> assuming it was an image (I read "gif" when it was really "pif").
Although
> it did not send out any email, I did find that it had infected my
> kernal32.dll file, as well as changing my win.ini and installing varius
> other programs.

I did this too, but I did't reboot, so it never got into the email program,
I deleted the file on the winINI file and left the PC on until I could renew
norton the next day and delete the other files.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Model Rocket Engines on a Pico Jet

[Aerofoam]

There was a guy in Phx. that was in to the high end rocket gliders, he was
going to put one of the aerotec reloadable motors in a 6oz. version of my
36" delta wing.
His motor would put his 7oz. plane to over 1000 ft.
The motor can be configured with different nozzles and amounts of fuel.
He had it set to put out about 23oz. of thrust for 9 seconds, really cool
stuff.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] Has anyone seen Tim Cone?

[Aerofoam]

Has anyone heard from Tim Cone?
I have emailed a few times and not had any luck, does
he ave a new email address?

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] Astroflight .010 Mighty Micro

[Aerofoam*]

I accidently got 2 astro .010 brushless motors (mighty micro) I only ordered
1 so the other one is for sale for my cost + shipping.
It is $85.00 and the shipping will be $3.80 for priority mail.
They are normally about $100.00, there isn't much mark up on them.
It comes pre wired with the on off speed controller and a micro switch.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] compression hinge?

[Aerofoam*]

I have been using a similar hinge method for about 3 years, I can't remember
if someone showed it to me or if it evolved from the "both surface tape"
method where you fold the surface over the wing and offset the hinge.
I space the aileron about 3/16" from the stationary surface and tape both
sides.
Then I dent both tape surfaces down the hinge line with a ball point pen.
Then on a flat surface, I press the aileron to the TE and it forces the
surfaces together. I don't bevel any of the surfaces, it isn't necessary.
You just have to be sure to allow enough space for the hinge to operate or
it can be too tight. (good for high speed bungees)

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] Materials list

[Aerofoam]

Hello RCSE'rs,
I just put up the first version of my international EPP materials list at:
www.aerofoam.com/materials.html
Please let me know if it shows up ok on different browsers etc.
I also just had to migrate my entire site to another server, so let me know
if any problems exist!
If you have trouble getting there, go to www.aerofoam.com.cnchost.com first,
then take the link to the "Intl. Materials" page.
If you have knowledge of other crossover materials used in modeling, let me
know the details and send a picture, so I can post it.
Thanks.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] B2 motor info

[Aerofoam]

Does anyone know how many cells it takes to run the tiny Hobby Shack B2
motors? what size cells for reasonable times?

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Designed by Americans!

[Aerofoam]

> Boy, you're not kidding!  That amount will more than pay for my Commercial
> Glider license

So, you will be qualified for ...troop transport?

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Hour-by-hour wind and weather forecasts by zip code

[Aerofoam]

> Here is the forecast for North Richland Hills, TX, zip code 76180, which
is
> where I normally fly.  You can substitute YOUR ZIP CODE:
> http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/76180

This is a very cool feature, I book marked that site.

I have been using this one:
http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/local_index?nav=marine&metric=0&zipcode=98
279&partner=accuweather
It does a fairly good 5 day forecast with wind direction etc. but not
hourly.
It is very local though, I just tried the weather underground site and it
gave a forecast for a town that is 20 miles away and has a completely
different weather pattern, the accuweather site gives you very localized
forecasts.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Lithium Ion

[Aerofoam]

I was seaching the net for lithium batts last night and found that the
lithium polymers are in production and available for Nokia cell phones.
Not cheap, $89 for 3.7v cell that is about 600mah and weighs less than 10
grams.
There are a number of free plans for chargers that would only cost $10 to
$15 to build, but I remember seeing a site somewhere with a kit for about
that much.
The Magellan site (magtech.com I think) has a $45 Li charger that is
reconfigurable.
I can't find the $7.50 800mah tadirans anymore, they were on the site with
the cheap charger kit which I have lost the URL for.
Anyway, I have some feelers out to MFG's for Li poly's and may be able to do
a group purchase if there is any interest.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [RCSE] Lithium Ion Battery Charging


> With battery technology changing (almost) daily, it would be great to have
a versatile and configurable charger.
>
> --Bill
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:08:22 -0700  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The evaluation board is full of jumpers that have to be set based on all
> sorts of criteria. It is not plug-n-play but could be. It's not
necessarily
> practical or inexpensive but I thought it would be interesting to play
with.
> ~Barry Murrill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Walba, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:31 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] Lithium Ion Battery Charging
>
>
> That sounds like one Super buy. For that money I'll pick one up as a spare
> auto-charger.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] Lithium Ion Battery Charging
>
> I'm going to try out the evaluation board for the National
> Semiconductor
> LM3647 universal battery charger. $59.00 US. I have it, but haven't
> played
> with it yet.
> http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM3647.html
>
> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe"
and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe"
and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RCSE] Re: foriegn products glues etc.

[Aerofoam]

It is a wall filler compound like drywall mud, but the light weight stuff is
"silicon borate" it comes in a small tub and is water soluble.
You can see it being used to fill voids and mount servos on my Pico Jet
Modification page at: http://www.aerofoam.com/PicoJet.htm
I am compiling a list of products and their corresponding international
counterparts. If anyone knows of some brand names available in countries
other than the US. Please let me know:
What they are?
What they cost?
Where to get them?
AND send a picture of the product.

I will be posting a page with products and application.
I need the international info for:

Liquid contact cement (the type for laminating formica and veneers.
Spray contact cement 3m#77, or 90.
Any 2" packing tape with good UV properties.
Any good 2" strapping tape that is fairly light.
Any colored packing tapes.
Sign Vinyl.
Light weight spackling compound.
Fast epoxies.
Fast CA.
Coroplast.
and any other modelling supplies you can think of.
Thanks.

-
> Ok, I give up: I tried to understand from the context, I looked it up in
my
> dictionnary, but ... Please have mercy with a non-understanding foreigner:
> what is "spackel" ?
>

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Strength of HLG fuselages

[Aerofoam]

> Comes in a can a little taller and narrower than a soup can, sorta like a
> small tennis ball can.  You can find it at most hardware stores.  I've
found
> it at Ace Hardware, Walmart, Home Depot and LumberJack. Get the dip stuff,
> the spray is ineffective and messy.

This stuff can be thinned or brought back from near death with "Toluene".
It is heavy, so I would suggest thinning for an HLG.

Incidently, my Mosquito Hawk MHLG is a pod and boom design with the pod
being epp covered with a minimum amount of filament tape strips for
strength.
An HLG pod could be built the same way with just a couple of wraps of tape
or a thin layer of dip it. The covering is the heaviest part of the pod, so
I try to avoid it.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com



RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCHLG] [RCSE] Preserving the Javelin Launch

[Aerofoam]

Maybe that's the eway
> to go.although it would only be a matter of time before someone puts
> together a Tip Launch Micro ;-)
>
> Hopefully inexpensive 3 gram servos will become available in the near
> futurelets hope :-)

They have, it's called a Noseeum or a Red Herring!
They both side arm well, but, they launch almost vertical with no dance
involved unlike the 60" gliders which require a large radius for the discus
swing.
The micro class would be a blast if enough people jumped in the game.
You could have mini handlaunch golf on small fields, or an F-3b sort of
event where one throws the plane, rounds a pylon 80ft. away and comes back
through staggered hula hoops, the clock would start as the plane left his
hand.
There are a number of really fun events you can have with these little
planes and most of them could be held in front of your house or in a gym.
The radio gear is cheap now and with a simple hot wire, some blue foam and
tape, you could throw together disposable planes by the dozen for less than
$3.00 per airframe.
What will it take to get some people to jump in?
Do I need to put some simple free designs on my site???
One design anyone

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: [RCSE] Shipping charges!

[Aerofoam]

> UPS has gotten weird on large shipments.

It is because there is so much e-commerce with small package shipping.
UPS now looks at a large package and says, Hmmm I could get 9-$6.00 packages
in the same space that the large package takes up, so I should charge
$54.00 to ship the large package!
They have so much small package buz. now, so they can afford to penalize the
large packages.
The market is ripe to start an oversize package shipping Co..

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Actual New Ideas for HLG competition, anyone?

[Aerofoam]

>  What about a sort of micro cross-country paradigm in which the overall
site
> conditions must be artfully used to  get one's glider to show up at a
series
> of checkpoints?

It's called Handlaunch Golf! and they are playing today at the SWC

Scobie is right about new formats in my opinion.
I haven't flown HLG contests, so maybe this doesn't mean much, but in my
opinion, if you can get 2 min. dead air times, you might as well have a TD
contest without winches. There are all kinds of things that could be thrown
in  to the picture, a small slalom on the landing approach, limbo bars, F3b
events like the most laps/the fastest laps, etc.
And then of coarse, one can't forget "All up last down"
Seems like fun to me.

 Mark Mech
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aerofoam.com


RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send "subscribe" and 
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]