I'm not too sure as I don't know too much about the subject matter
but was Baroque a movement that defined itself over a (very) short
period of time and was something which artists could easily attatch
themselves too (as in the case of Electroklash) , or was it a term
applied at a later
I know what you mean in terms of, there's nothing worse to me that
hearing a record (or what I do) described as emotional Techno- it's
a byword word for bland and predictable for me- it's a term used in
particular with electronic music- I've never heard of emotional Rock
and Roll or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque
Jason Brunton wrote:
I'm not too sure as I don't know too much about the subject matter
but was Baroque a movement that defined itself over a (very) short
period of time and was something which artists could easily attatch
themselves too (as in the
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Jason Brunton wrote:
I know what you mean in terms of, there's nothing worse to me that
hearing a record (or what I do) described as emotional Techno-
it's a byword word for bland and predictable for me- it's a term
used in particular with electronic music- I've
Good question! It's been I guess historicised as such through 'critics'...
but the motifs that would be defined/classified/distinguished as the Baroque
movement of art/architecture/music were no doubt emulated by lesser
craftsmen - and then adapted by innovators. (Like Electroclash.)
With hyper
On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:54 pm, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
Maybe I wasn't very clear in that, of course they are, but when someone
says
I put emotion in my music or I wanted to convey emotion I get bored by
cliches like that. It doesn't inspire you to hear the song, hey. Something
more
On Fri, November 4, 2005 12:05 am, Jason Brunton wrote:
I know what you mean in terms of, there's nothing worse to me that
hearing a record (or what I do) described as emotional Techno- it's
a byword word for bland and predictable for me
thats interesting. for me, when i describe a record as
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Thu, November 3, 2005 7:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Musically we are living in a period where every form of noise has been
liberated - not to express something but rather to be explored for its
own sake. I don't need music to carry some supposed meaning or
So you find it stimulating reading time and time again I put emotion in my
music. Don't you wanna know, well what do you mean about that? And sooo
many DJs talk of their music in terms of 'journeys'. I wanna take people on
a journey. That's self-evident to me...
It's reductive and in 10 years I've
On Fri, November 4, 2005 3:48 am, darnistle wrote:
Its an altogether different musical form and aesthetic from the
traditional legacy European court and folk musics. Why should musical
standards from a certain corner of the world several centuries ago be
used as a measuring stick for a
On Fri, November 4, 2005 4:02 am, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
So you find it stimulating reading time and time again I put emotion in
my
music. Don't you wanna know, well what do you mean about that? And sooo
many DJs talk of their music in terms of 'journeys'. I wanna take people
on
a journey.
On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, exactly - people could, and people DO listen to random sounds as
music. I live in the city and sometimes, the soundscape IS as satisfying
as a record. Music is everywhere. Human produced music is only one
sub-genre.
youve got to
On Thu, November 3, 2005 4:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grime - wonderful, dirty, gut level music (and I slagged it when I first
heard about it)
im still much more entertained by the ideas behind grime music than the
actual product.
most techno I think is not very innovative at all
good.
a field recording is simply that, a recording of sounds..
I experimented with a few field recordings a while back but
artistically I just felt a little, you know, fenced in
Jason
a field recording is simply that, a recording of sounds..
I experimented with a few field recordings a while back but
artistically I just felt a little, you know, fenced in
BOOOM BOOM.
*snigger*
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I understand what you are saying here but I think that most people
would not be that impressed if you took a recording of a city's
soundscape and played it to them in their living room- therefore
the elements and combinations of sounds that make up part of the
City's atmosphere are
But what *is* the difference between sound and music? Maybe the
difference is just your interpretation of it. Somebody mentioned
Autechre a while ago, I'll use that as one example. Anybody ever hear
the Gantz_Graf track they did? I think that's music, but I'd never in
a million year be able to
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But what *is* the difference between sound and music? Maybe
the difference is just your interpretation of it. Somebody
mentioned Autechre a while ago, I'll use that as one example.
Anybody
I'd be of the opinion that a persons interpretation of the sound is
what makes it music, to them.
Yes, but you're doing something to the sound in your head. You are
making it into music by attaching a story to it, or a meaning, or [I
don't really have the words]. In a way, when you're
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Music is what happens when people try to order sound to express
something that isn't otherwise expressible. Location recordings could
be compelling to listen to for any number of reasons, but music would
seem to require at a minimum some sort of human intervention beyond
pressing 'record.'
Music
On 11/4/05, skkatter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember reading an interview with My Bloody Valentine's front man
Kevin Sheilds many years ago (before he become a complete recluse)
where he said that he kept hearing music around London, in the
subways, on the streets, trains passing him in
On Fri, November 4, 2005 5:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
made sense to me
you arrange the sound and create music. The sound may feel musical to you
but in and of itself it is not music. It's just a sound. It has a tone
or
aspect that lends itself to becoming a part of a musical piece.
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
what it IS about is feeling, and someone making noises in their studio and
saying boy, that sounds cool, let me stick a kick drum under that and
release it is not evoking a feeling. theyre being cynical and wasting my
time and theirs. but of course theyre making money
Unfortunately your entire argument is based on personal and subjective
prejudice, not on any kind of logic.
It is reasonable to say that if someone creates a musical composition
they are trying to accomplish something. However, it is up to the
artist's personal vision what that something is -
Since it seems that a comment by larry started this. I feel he should
have the definitive word as well.
...The creative person [especially musicians] and the listener are
viewing the scenario from different perspectives and are seeking
different kinds of fulfillment...
Larry heard interview 2001.
On Fri, November 4, 2005 6:16 pm, darnistle wrote:
You jump from point A to point Q.
Someone making noises in their studio and saying boy, that sounds cool,
let me stick a kick drum under that and release it could produce
anything from crap to utter brilliance. With talent and quality
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Unfortunately your entire argument is based on personal and subjective
prejudice, not on any kind of logic.
Sorry David but that doesn't stack up because for it to be subjective it has
to be based on feelings or intuitions, not upon observation or reasoning. So
next time someone say it's
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On Fri, November 4, 2005 6:29 pm, David Powers wrote:
Unfortunately your entire argument is based on personal and subjective
prejudice, not on any kind of logic.
huh? youre the one who is saying all music is about the subjective
interpretation! im saying that objectively there is something
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Fri, November 4, 2005 6:16 pm, darnistle wrote:
You jump from point A to point Q.
Someone making noises in their studio and saying boy, that sounds cool,
let me stick a kick drum under that and release it could produce
anything from crap to utter brilliance.
, say more about
the listener than the music itself. Emotion is a characteristic of HUMAN
BEINGS, not of sonic waveforms. Only a human listener can experience an
emotion. Sound waves do not somehow contain emotions...
~David
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Emotion is a characteristic of HUMAN BEINGS, not of sonic waveforms.
Only a human listener can experience an emotion. Sound waves do not
somehow contain emotions...
I'd like to argue that on the basis of vibrational reality at length,
but I haven't got the time. In short, all things are
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I'm not out of touch! But I have arguments with young Detroit fans - friends
of mine - who are so purist that I wonder how they really love music at all.
Their blanket disavowal of all contemporary urban music is strange. I think
I am much more on the pulse than them, arrogant or not as that
As I am getting older I don't become more conservative, I listen to more,
and seek more, that is all.
Exactly.
On Thu, November 3, 2005 12:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if that's how things will look in ten years time, then it's an improvement
- they're getting a better turn out than a techno night around here.
at least you guys have techno nights. i live not even 5 hours from detroit
by car, and
On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
I'm not out of touch! But I have arguments with young Detroit fans
- friends
of mine - who are so purist that I wonder how they really love
music at all.
Their blanket disavowal of all contemporary urban music is strange.
I think
I am much
I was gonna mention the Northern Soul parallels in my email. If I'm
discussing this with my mates in the pub it's the similarity we look to
too.
Thing is though that scene was always backwards looking and, from what
I know, resisted anything that wasn't from detroit. Techno isn't really
Techno classics have their place, but if we don't keep one ear in the
future, we're betraying the originators.
indeed. most true.
I think I hear a lot of techno in ALOT of music these days. to me this is
the new techno. I think dego is very techno, I think that phil asher edit
of just one
i think techno lost it's ability to innovate or influence..
perhaps because we're all too critical..
On 3 Nov 2005, at 07:50, robin wrote:
I was gonna mention the Northern Soul parallels in my email. If I'm
discussing this with my mates in the pub it's the similarity we look
to too.
Thing is though that scene was always backwards looking and, from what
I know, resisted anything that
i think techno lost it's ability to innovate or influence..
perhaps because we're all too critical..
You might be right.
A test:
What do people think of Grime? Electroclash?
:)
I think though the shock of hearing mad electronic noises has
disappeared. I mean half the top ten consists of
Thing is though that scene was always backwards looking and, from
what I know, resisted anything that wasn't from detroit. Techno isn't
really like that.
While some what you mention above is true (I don't agree that it was
backwards looking as a movement - only the clubs where keeping it in
What do people think of Grime? Electroclash?
grime i think is ok, but i only see it as a spin off from jungle..
and jungle stole a lot of techno's thunder in the early ninties, the lines
were drawn then that i think suffocated techno..
electroclash is rubbish (draws line) ;)
grime i think is ok
can anyone recommend me some good grime?
seems hard to get the records in manchester.
I've heard some 'dubstep' but it wasn't really for me, interested to find
some good grime. maybe a comp or something might be a good place to start?
thanks
alex
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grime i think is ok
can anyone recommend me some good grime?
seems hard to get the records in manchester.
I've heard some 'dubstep' but it wasn't really for me, interested to
find some good grime. maybe a comp or something might
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grime i think is ok
can anyone recommend me some good grime?
seems hard to get the records in manchester.
I've heard some 'dubstep' but it wasn't really for me, interested to
find some good grime. maybe a comp or something might be a good place to
start?
thanks
alex
thanks Martijin!!
alex
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It's weird looking at those Northern Soul night pics.
I just turned 47, so it looks to me like I'm around the same age
demographic as those folks (I suspect a few of them are older,
given that Northern Soul's heyday was when I was pretty young).
I kept comparing myself to them - So *this* is
But after the gig I wandered across the street to a Rock club run
by our very own Yussel (late of this parish).
hey, say hello from the 313 when you see him next greg!
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Hi Greg,
The below post made me feel better about things.
Yeah a few of our crowd (that contains list people like Francis, Alex
etc etc) in Manchester are up to 50 too and still going strong.
And the Electroclash comment was said deliberately because of peoples
aversion to it even though
The below post made me feel better about things.
Yeah a few of our crowd (that contains list people like Francis, Alex
etc etc) in Manchester are up to 50 too and still going strong.
...i must add the above are just the nippers :)
robin...
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Sent: 03 November 2005 11:32
The below post made me feel better about things.
Yeah a few of our crowd (that contains list people like
Francis, Alex
etc etc) in Manchester are up to 50 too and still going strong.
Hey I'm not far off.
you do look young for 60 francis I'll give you that.
*big cheesy grin*
waits for clip round ear
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but I don't think many people agree with me on that one, it's just me
and
my stupid theorys.
i dont think techno's dead, i just think its called something else these
days.
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i think techno lost it's ability to innovate or influence..
perhaps because we're all too critical..
Hm .. I think the criticism is keeping techno alive.
Every time someone plays me new dance music all I can hear is the influences
or lack of .. from Techno.
The more I listen to
This reminds me a bit of when my wife and I last went to see Bowie - except
that it was unnerving to see how old the crowd LOOKED. Seriously- one woman
challenged my abilities to tell if she was getting into the show or having some
medication issues. The most vibrant group looked like the WNIC
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the best thing that Larry said is (and this is almost a direct quote) -
there is no plug-in for that feeling
and that my friends, just about sums it up nicely.
: )
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How much were the tickets for Bowie?
Can't recall, but they were expensive. 60+, I think. Too much.
I find that lots of younger people do want to go see certain artists -
people who are legends and cornerstones of music history - but these
artists price
theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/03/2005 11:24:04
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find that lots of younger people do want to go see certain artists -
people who are legends and cornerstones of music history - but these
artists price themselves right out of the younger
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the best thing that Larry said is (and this is almost a
direct quote) -
there is no plug-in for that feeling
and that my friends, just about sums it up nicely.
: )
Wot no
Wot no ACME ANTHEM PLUG IN?
SSSHhh.
still in development.
top secret
mums the word
*taps nose*
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I'm guessing he's not a big John Cage fan.
Seriously, though I have great respect for Larry Heard as a producer, I
have to disagree. A certain kind of feeling might define a GENRE, but it
can never define all the possibilities available in the exploration of
music as an art form. These fixed
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It's always been this way. Some people are moved by novelty far longer
than others and can stand to hear new and interesting noises without
caring if there was an ounce of emotion in it (moroder step bass
anyone?). I have been guilty of this when listening to a new (insert
anything sonic here).
There seems to be some confusion regarding emotion - are we talking
about the listener's emotion, or the creator's emotion??? Both Larry Heard
and Armando seem to think that the producer's of the music need to feel
certain emotions to create good work.
I don't buy it. Neither one have any idea
On Thu, November 3, 2005 7:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Musically we are living in a period where every form of noise has been
liberated - not to express something but rather to be explored for its
own sake. I don't need music to carry some supposed meaning or feeling.
There is a place for
On Thu, November 3, 2005 9:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There seems to be some confusion regarding emotion - are we talking
about the listener's emotion, or the creator's emotion??? Both Larry Heard
and Armando seem to think that the producer's of the music need to feel
certain emotions to
What do people think of Grime? Electroclash?
electroclash is rubbish (draws line) ;)
Electroclash has been severely devalued by some on the basis of it's being a
trend but, like anything, there are pretenders among the talented.
Remember techno was flavour of the month once. Everything in
Tiga is fun,
Loved his DJ Kicks..
j
Good point. I personally shrink when in interviews artists talk of emotion
in relation to their work and don't define that too. What do you mean -
sadness, despair, anger - or something that approximates emotion by being
generally stirring? It's not v enlightening. But that's maybe just me...
I think we need to define what is a trend, what is a novelty?
Baroque was a 'trend' once... For culture to evolve, you have cycles, and
trends, then if it endures it maybe becomes a classic, as techno, or maybe a
bad memory (like most 70s architecture!) and that too can change with the
values of
Wow- I can't say much now except that is the exact opposite of how I
define (experience would be a more accurate term) Techno ! (no
offence meant though!)
Jason
On 3 Nov 2005, at 19:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm guessing he's not a big John Cage fan.
Seriously, though I have great
Yes, exactly - people could, and people DO listen to random sounds as
music. I live in the city and sometimes, the soundscape IS as satisfying
as a record. Music is everywhere. Human produced music is only one
sub-genre.
Music is rhythm (time) + timbre (quality of vibration), perceived by an
But are all those things you mention not emotions- and the things
that define our relationship to the world about us and in this
instance, the music we are discussing?
Jason
On 3 Nov 2005, at 23:23, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
Good point. I personally shrink when in interviews artists talk of
Maybe I wasn't very clear in that, of course they are, but when someone says
I put emotion in my music or I wanted to convey emotion I get bored by
cliches like that. It doesn't inspire you to hear the song, hey. Something
more illuminating like I was feeling despair over this.
But are all those
Funsters
I’m trying to get an understanding of techno in ’05 and if it’s any
different from how it’s always been, i.e. relatively marginal. It seems
that the scene is quite healthy, with lots of good new music, but it
also seems that it’s never going to grow beyond it’s current niche
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Not sure why I didn't see this originally.
All of the below questions are questions I ask a lot.
In the UK techno and house are pretty niche things nowadays, especially
when talking about detroit.
To a certain extent this is partially my perception of things. Like a
lot of us I'm in my
. They have been my saviours for the
past 6 years since I have been living in the SD/ LA area.
Best,
Louis
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Not sure why I didn't see
simply left
to reminisce on the past...
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Robin,
Yup count me in for the afternoon Techno
There's been a couple of scary threads lately, 'Who do you rate under
25?' As it turns out, there's hardly anyone of that age producing
Detroit techno!
And now this one 'Where is techno headed?'
Well, if you want to know where techno is headed in the next 10 years
the answer can be summed
Is that Dave Leedham DJing?
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There's been a couple of scary threads lately, 'Who do
Funny, I was thinking of the parallels between Detroit techno and
Northern Soul the other day. I think there's definitely something to
it. Apart from the obvious similarity of being centered on music from
Detroit, I think that there's a fair amount in common there.
Looking at those pictures,
It is, in fact it's his website.
Martin Dust wrote:
Is that Dave Leedham DJing?
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It is, in fact it's his website.
Martin Dust wrote:
Is that Dave Leedham DJing?
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I agree. I'm just taking the p.iss is all.
I love a bit of northern in fact my ipod contains both types of music .
Northern and techno.
You're right about the similarities though. The worrying one is the
unwillingness to accept change, which has really been the death knell
for northern. No new
it...
m
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I agree. I'm just taking the p.iss is all.
I love
Jamie Stewart wrote:
That's just wrong. It reminds me of growing up in southend in the
70's, I'd see all these sad old Teds with their replica Ted kids. Weird.
Just when I have a safe footing in my mid thirties someone pulls me back
to puberty. damn you.
I can smell the winkles, silk cut,
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