Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-09-08 Thread Peter Wohelski
Late to this, but had heard about his passing through friends on other social platforms. Great guy, didn't know him well but was a big part of the 313 list in its earliest years. I echo Kevin's sentiments and miss the sense of community that mailing lists like this provided years ago. Not to

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-18 Thread Ronny Pries
I picked this up almost week ago now. To me, he belonged to the circle of names I mostly bumped into again and again online. Throughout the last decades. Of course, I also heard a few of his releases. But I didn't know him personally. And yet, it keeps circling in my system. Beyond my thoughts

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-17 Thread Kevin Kennedy
Thorin, my comment has everything to do with being present. Thank you to all for the kind words. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 9:26 AM Thorin Teague wrote: > W1b0 was always really good about keeping up communication. He was a bit > of a social butterfly which is no small part of why everyone liked

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-17 Thread Thorin Teague
W1b0 was always really good about keeping up communication. He was a bit of a social butterfly which is no small part of why everyone liked him. I now know by the way that he unexpectedly went into cardiac arrest. Resuscitation was attempted but failed. He was in basically good/great health. I'm

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-17 Thread Kevin Kennedy
What really is even more sad is that many of us barely communicate with each other until it's time to eulogize the ones we lost. I'm sad about this passing, as I have been about so many other friends that I'll never see again. Here's my personal perspective: I have, for the last two years or so

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-16 Thread Thorin Teague
Makes for a sad morning. He was very well loved and liked throughout the Detroit and Germam community. On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:31 AM Pwacher wrote: > This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some > great music too. > > P. > > > > On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, > >

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-16 Thread Pwacher
This is really sad news. He really was a great guy and was writing some great music too. P. > > On Aug 15, 2022 at 11:16 AM, mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> > wrote: > > > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist"Wibo Lammerts has

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-15 Thread Robin Pinning
Oh, that’s sad to hear. RIP > On 15 Aug 2022, at 17:16, kent williams wrote: > >  > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has died. > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light.

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-15 Thread Benn Glazier
I caught up with Otto just last week in London (and Hans a couple months prior), lots of old 313 (and Lowlands) discussion, including the other Techno Tourists. Sad news. BG > > On Aug 15, 2022 at 5:47 PM, mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com)> > wrote: > >

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-15 Thread Mike Taylor
He was a good guy. I remember driving KJ, Otto, and him around Greektown for that first 313 meet. RIP Hard to believe that was almost 25 years ago. I was thinking the other day that Fred and Greg seemed mature to me when I was 20. I'm probably older now then they were at the time. Time waits

Re: RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-15 Thread Matthew Kane
Oh no, what terrible news. On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 12:16 PM kent williams wrote: > > A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has died. > > This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin > gig. > > Holding his family in the light.

RIP Techno Tourist & Electro producer Wibo Lammerts

2022-08-15 Thread kent williams
A long-time 313 subscriber & Dutch "Techno-tourist" Wibo Lammerts has died. This was sudden, I have no details. He'd just announced an upcoming Berlin gig. Holding his family in the light.

Detroit Grand PuBahs "Catching The Red Eye" (Electro Variation)

2020-08-11 Thread dubloop
this track rocks. i love the synths https://soundcloud.com/6amgroup/premiere-detroit-grand-pubahs-catching-the-red-eye-electro-variation-engineroom [1] Links: -- [1] https://soundcloud.com/6amgroup/premiere-detroit-grand-pubahs-catching-the-red-eye-electro-variation-engineroom

Re: Leandro Gore's Electro Mix (from one of São Paulo's biggest ghettos).

2019-02-01 Thread Fred Heutte
but now I feel it's time to >get out of the cave :) > >Leandro's from one of the biggest and most violent ghettos in São Paulo, >Grajaú. Him and his brother have been putting out some amazing 90s Electro >for over 15 years without much recognition as the duo Lux 4 Attack, so

Re: Leandro Gore's Electro Mix (from one of São Paulo's biggest ghettos).

2019-01-30 Thread Patrick Wacher
and > don't know much about how mailing lists work, but now I feel it's time to > get out of the cave :) > > Leandro's from one of the biggest and most violent ghettos in São Paulo, > Grajaú. Him and his brother have been putting out some amazing 90s Electro > for over 15 years witho

Leandro Gore's Electro Mix (from one of São Paulo's biggest ghettos).

2019-01-30 Thread esquerdo
ghettos in São Paulo, Grajaú. Him and his brother have been putting out some amazing 90s Electro for over 15 years without much recognition as the duo Lux 4 Attack, so I feel it's adequate to share this with you guys. I was truly mind blown when I first found out about them and I feel you guys

Some great & free electro & techno from 214

2018-12-12 Thread kent williams
The write-up from Peter Kirn is as good a starting point as any. 214 aka J. Alvarez has an album's worth of tracks up for free download. Worth paying for, but it's free! http://cdm.link/2018/12/free-underground-electro-214/

Re: Electro Mix for Deep Space Radio

2018-11-12 Thread Jeff Davis
loaded it to Mixcloud. > > https://www.mixcloud.com/stevedbx/steve-robertson-electro-mix-deep-space-radio/ > > It has received a warm response, and I really enjoyed putting it together. I > think it's quite a unique selection of tracks, and certainly very much > inspired by Detr

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-10 Thread 313
Hi Chris, Thanks. Oh and btw, perhaps you chaps could stop masturbating over all that stolen UR crap on youtube and show some respect. I'm guessing that for at least one of you its really not your kind of music. Oh, and also, perhaps you'd like to return your 313 submission fee and

Re: Electro Mix for Deep Space Radio

2018-11-08 Thread kent williams
The only thing I wish for that Dr-Ecco-xiya video is that they muted the game sounds and let the music stand alone.

Re: Electro Mix for Deep Space Radio

2018-11-07 Thread Patrick Wacher
;> >> https://www.mixcloud.com/stevedbx/steve-robertson-electro-mix-deep-space-radio/ >> >> It has received a warm response, and I really enjoyed putting it >> together. I think it's quite a unique selection of tracks, and certainly >> very much inspired by

Re: Electro Mix for Deep Space Radio

2018-11-07 Thread Andrew Duke
This mix is recommended. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 5:55 AM Steven Robertson Here's a mix I did for Deep Space Radio (Tec-Troit). Since it was > broadcast I've uploaded it to Mixcloud. > > > https://www.mixcloud.com/stevedbx/steve-robertson-electro-mix-deep-space-radio/ > > It h

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread ja...@iridite.com
.@glzr.info > Cc: Steven Robertson , 313@hyperreal.org > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:03:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater > Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing > “dream.” > > A long while after the conversation

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Chris Hopcroft
2018 12:03:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.” A long while after the conversation ended. Are you my mother? On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier wrote: Denise - Steven has cap in hand

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread kent williams
Also administrativia: Some of you may have tried to reply and gotten a bounce notice. That was because the discussion thread was so long, and many people reply in HTML, some from mail clients that generate thousands of bytes of useless bullshit, and every reply included all the BS from all the

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread kent williams
In case you don't know I'm the administrator for the 313 list. I can ban people if they don't play nice. Everyone involved in this discussion needs to leave it be. The name-calling needs to stop. One person who to all appearances was trying to be thoughtful has unsubbed over this. I will unsub

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Fred Heutte
Hello everyone, long time list member here (1994). We can have disagreement, argument, debate, and do it with respect. What we are seeing here is not acceptable. Joe, you're way over the line Time for everyone to take a step back and check yourself. peace out fh - >You

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Joe Marougi
You really are a miserable fucking person Denise. Ironic how people like you see “the other side” as the bullies when you lot are the biggest bullies when it comes to discussing different views. I’m sure many more folks here would like to tell you to go f yourself but aren’t doing so because

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Peter Bense
This kind of snide attitude is not needed here. Please direct it elsewhere. Den tis 6 nov. 2018 18:03 skrev : > Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing > “dream.” > > A long while after the conversation ended. > > Are you my mother? > > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread denisedalphond
Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.” A long while after the conversation ended. Are you my mother? > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier wrote: > > Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for > that. I do not feel it

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Benn Glazier
Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the matter. We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you. You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Steven Robertson
I will just unsubscribe from this list. I apologise for whatever I said that caused or may cause offence. I'm only here for the music, and I'm sorry for responding to this topic entirely. Bye. On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:14 PM, Steven Robertson wrote: > No idea what that is. > > > On Tue, 6 Nov

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Steven Robertson
No idea what that is. On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:13 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > “Provocative?” > > What is this 1988? Have you been watching Falcon Crest? > > > > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:12, Steven Robertson wrote: >> If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread denisedalphond
“Provocative?” What is this 1988? Have you been watching Falcon Crest? > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:12, Steven Robertson wrote: > > If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. > > Conversation very confusing. > >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Steven Robertson
If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. Conversation very confusing. On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it > is rude.> > You could read my works. My latest essay that

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread denisedalphond
Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude. You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not arrogant

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Steven Robertson
Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a neuro-typical

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread denisedalphond
It took you this long to think of a response.  > On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson wrote: > > Denise > > I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what > James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that > Denise was right. The

Electro Mix for Deep Space Radio

2018-11-06 Thread Steven Robertson
Here's a mix I did for Deep Space Radio (Tec-Troit). Since it was broadcast I've uploaded it to Mixcloud. https://www.mixcloud.com/stevedbx/steve-robertson-electro-mix-deep-space-radio/ It has received a warm response, and I really enjoyed putting it together. I think it's quite a unique

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread 313
Iona. Rome. Detroit. On 2018-11-06 09:07, Steven Robertson wrote: Denise I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-11-06 Thread Steven Robertson
Denise I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread denisedalphond
I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re confused by your rage. Denise > On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi wrote: > > Even though English is my second language I just looked it up

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the synonyms being a match. Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to choose from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
Yeah ok, and based on popular opinion Lil’ Wayne is the best rapper. Again, name one black person here that was offended by the video...still waiting ;) On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:20 AM wrote: > Denise’s opinions are widely shared around the world and are based on > research. > > > > On Oct

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread denisedalphond
Denise’s opinions are widely shared around the world and are based on research. > On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:18, kent williams wrote: > > I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List > Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let me >

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread kent williams
I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let me say this: I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line. And in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has strong

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Eamonn Doyle
All still well here in Dublin Jason.. been too long ! E > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:58, ja...@iridite.com wrote: > > Heh, they're all coming out of the woodwork today! > > Alrighty Eamonn? > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:55, Eamonn Doyle mailto:d...@d1.ie>> > wrote: >

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
Agreed, However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just as much as actual racist views/comments. Next subject? 邏 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com wrote: > Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue > Basement Jams

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread jwan allen
The record still bangs. and as for me being mad, or offended. hm how do I say this. First pardon my crassness: When as a black man in america, has getting mad about how two allies perceived a beef/misunderstanding about some black shit between themselves ever done anything for

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread ja...@iridite.com
Heh, they're all coming out of the woodwork today! Alrighty Eamonn? On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:55, Eamonn Doyle wrote: > http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/ > > Probably the most exhaustively researched site / blog about all things > Drexciya out there - *[caution: written by a white

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Eamonn Doyle
http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/ Probably the most exhaustively researched site / blog about all things Drexciya out there - [caution: written by a white Irish guy] http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Aidan O'Doherty
The only drama I want in my life is this: https://www.discogs.com/HM-Drama-EP/release/6784 On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 17:48 ja...@iridite.com, wrote: > Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue > Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) > > ANYWAYlet's move

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread ja...@iridite.com
Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, massive respect, nuff said Jason On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams wrote: > Tom Cox got

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread kent williams
Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days. I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years ago? On

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread jwan allen
I was glad I wasn't drinking coffee at that very moment. My screen would've been covered. On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM Joe Marougi wrote: > Bring on Tom! 藍 > > Were you offended Jwan? Kevin? Anyone? > > > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 AM jwan allen wrote: > >> HA! >> >> >> On

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
Bring on Tom! 藍 Were you offended Jwan? Kevin? Anyone? On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 AM jwan allen wrote: > HA! > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:36 PM ja...@iridite.com > wrote: > >> Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured >> response in situations like

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread jwan allen
HA! On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:36 PM ja...@iridite.com wrote: > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured > response in situations like this. > > > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty > wrote: > >> Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Martin Dust
> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote: > > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured > response in situations like this. > Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread ja...@iridite.com
Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured response in situations like this. On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already > we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac > > Denise,

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Aidan O'Doherty
Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there are a myriad of reasons why that isn't

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
Name one who was fucking offended by the video?? Go ahead, I’ll wait... Your ignorance is truly astonishing. That video was dope, informative and above all RESPECTFUL. I suppose my “way of thinking” hasn’t caught up to me yet because I’m still tight with my D peeps. I put out records with and

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread denisedalphond
What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list! WTF > On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi wrote: > > I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist > views like

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist views like you do. Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team with this approach. Couldn’t care less what you think of

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread denisedalphond
Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past contributions to this listserv. Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth? Denise > On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi wrote: > > Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties. What the hell are you

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-24 Thread Joe Marougi
Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties. What the hell are you talking about? That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!? Maybe you’re forgetting a few things: - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread denisedalphond
I really liked all that UR carhartt stuff. That was a pretty good idea. $$ > On Oct 19, 2018, at 13:44, David A. Powers wrote: > > Good for year, I moved to Detroit because I needed a job, and someone in > Detroit offered me a job. > Then I lost the job. Didn't have much money, it wasn't

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread David A. Powers
I agree, that's why I mentioned "sustainable." I wasn't trying to criticize UR, but just looking at the facts that markets change and you have to make enough so that folks can eat. And I have to solve this problem too, because I'm a musician myself in the current market. ~David On Fri, Oct 19,

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread David A. Powers
Good for year, I moved to Detroit because I needed a job, and someone in Detroit offered me a job. Then I lost the job. Didn't have much money, it wasn't enough to renew my lease, then I got evicted from my apartment, and the money ran out. I was literally homeless and walking around the streets

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Fred Heutte
There is a basic misunderstanding here. Getting paid enough to cover the bills and have a reasonable life is important. Making as much money as possible is not the purpose. Detroit techno is all about retaining that difference. Twenty years ago, Sony Japan issued its crappy unauthorized and

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread David A. Powers
Fred, I don't scorn UR they are my heroes. I just WANT THEM TO MAKE MORE MONEY!!! I'm being realistic about how well the business model is doing. You can't solve a problem by pretending it doesn't exist. Making money is a problem for musicians right now--not just UR, but changes in music as a

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Denise Dalphond
Hell yeah Mike Rubin. *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work * On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:34 PM Fred Heutte wrote: > For those who haven't seen it: > > >

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Denise Dalphond
I've never lived in Detroit, unfortunately. I didn't want to gentrify. *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work * On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:42 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > Mike Banks owns a museum. It's called Exhibit 3000. > > It's for

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Denise Dalphond
Mike Banks owns a museum. It's called Exhibit 3000. It's for education. So people don't get confused. *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work * On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:39 PM David A. Powers wrote: > Denise, > > I lived in the city, I

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread David A. Powers
Denise, I lived in the city, I talk to my friends in the city every week, and I played a gig there recently. I know exactly what's going on. First of all, Red Bull, really? They literally pimp out art and artists in order to sell shitty corporate drugs that are terrible for the human body. I'm

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Fred Heutte
For those who haven't seen it: http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2017/06/drexciya-infinite-journey-to-inner-space fh

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Kevin Kennedy
David, without the rest of the world, where would Detroit artists escape to? I understand what is at the crux of your argument... But I would still consider that the vitriol comes from the telling of a local story that can and has been told not only by others, but can be told with a deeper

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Denise Dalphond
Detroiters of color definitely give a shit about techno. Your statement is completely wrong and off base. All you have to do is visit the instagram account of Underground Resistance. https://www.instagram.com/undergroundresistance313/?hl=en It is filled with Black and Brown faces. In Detroit.

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread David A. Powers
The irony of this situation is that in the big picture, even if the RA piece was produced in an unethical manner, it's still a decent introduction to Drexciya for many people, and in the US nobody has ever heard of Drexciya. Hell, I doubt many people in Detroit actually know who they are, trust

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread denisedalphond
I also write my ideas on schoolcraftwax.work There’s another essay about techno that came out a few years ago that I wrote in a book called African American Music: An Introduction. Detroiters and techno heads have read my writing and critiqued my writing at my request. I’m not working in a

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread denisedalphond
Yr Rt. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 07:29, Martin Dust wrote: > > >> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:24, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I do not. Maybe you should read my article about Drexciya and UR and >> Moodymann in Black Lives Matter and Music: Protest, Intervention, >> Reflection. It just

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2018-10-19 Thread Martin Dust
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:24, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > I do not. Maybe you should read my article about Drexciya and UR and > Moodymann in Black Lives Matter and Music: Protest, Intervention, Reflection. > It just came out. > > Denise Dalphond > Then there’s nothing to discuss

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2018-10-19 Thread denisedalphond
I do not. Maybe you should read my article about Drexciya and UR and Moodymann in Black Lives Matter and Music: Protest, Intervention, Reflection. It just came out. Denise Dalphond > On Oct 19, 2018, at 07:00, Martin Dust wrote: > > Yes it’s real, do you not see the logical

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Dust
Yes it’s real, do you not see the logical fallacy in your argument? > On 19 Oct 2018, at 11:56, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > Is this a real question? Dan Sicko was a actual Detroiter. > >> On Oct 19, 2018, at 05:43, Martin Dust wrote: >> >> Hi Denise, >> >> Do you feel the same about

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2018-10-19 Thread denisedalphond
Is this a real question? Dan Sicko was a actual Detroiter. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 05:43, Martin Dust wrote: > > Hi Denise, > > Do you feel the same about Dan Sicko’s book? > > m

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2018-10-19 Thread 313
Im with Denise on this one. ;-P C On 2018-10-19 10:43, Martin Dust wrote: Hi Denise, Do you feel the same about Dan Sicko’s book? m

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Dust
Hi Denise, Do you feel the same about Dan Sicko’s book? m

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2018-10-18 Thread David A. Powers
Slavery in all its forms should be ended, that's why I brought it up! We need to develop sustainable technology that doesn't rely on rare minerals because of the human and environmental cost. Have we really reached the point that if I don't explicitly reject slavery in a public discussion, the

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2018-10-18 Thread denisedalphond
It’s weird to me that you’re justifying slavery because it occurs. This conversation is taking a fascinating turn. > On Oct 18, 2018, at 14:27, David A. Powers wrote: > > 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact of black > innovators not getting credit, there is an

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2018-10-18 Thread Steven Robertson
Nice. Must say I'm intrigued. Guess there's no way to attend remotely or transcripts, though if that's possible would like to see more. Seems very interesting. On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 8:09 PM, Andrew Duke wrote: > https://fhi.duke.edu/events/drexicya-mars-interplanetary-water-mission> > > On

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2018-10-18 Thread Steven Robertson
Correction: RA started in Sydney, Australia. I had no idea. More info on the link Andrew Duke posted on Facebook a couple of hours ago. Interesting read... https://telegra.ph/Precedent-Advisor-10-11?fbclid=IwAR1wnHPp9LeevgALatCV4HFankUuF90XVEtSuUNYsrWZ794F-KlkKw5703U On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at

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2018-10-18 Thread Andrew Duke
https://fhi.duke.edu/events/drexicya-mars-interplanetary-water-mission On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 3:49 PM Alana Blue, wrote: > Not to add more fire to this discussion but what RA credits isn't even > correct. The image is not from RBMA. > Secondly, I don't consider RA real journalism. It's a blog

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2018-10-18 Thread Alana Blue
Not to add more fire to this discussion but what RA credits isn't even correct. The image is not from RBMA. Secondly, I don't consider RA real journalism. It's a blog for all intents and purposes...this does not mean they shouldn't cite, credit, their sources properly. On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at

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2018-10-18 Thread Aidan O'Doherty
It was DJ Moxie who provided the narration. White and English. On Thu 18 Oct 2018, 19:37 Shaun Fogarty, wrote: > What a fantastic discussion. I am inspired to spin some Drexciya later > when I get to sit down. Maybe I’ll try to think more deeply about the > context of the music. > > Cheers, >

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2018-10-18 Thread Shaun Fogarty
What a fantastic discussion. I am inspired to spin some Drexciya later when I get to sit down. Maybe I’ll try to think more deeply about the context of the music. Cheers, Shaun (England) On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 19:28, David A. Powers wrote: > 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along

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2018-10-18 Thread Steven Robertson
The exploitation thing is certainly something, and that's probably the reason for the animosity. It's not this isolated thing, but stealing from the cultural heritage - I think I can appreciate that. 100% agree on the slavery thing. Very well put. Also, with respect to art. Top marks. No further

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2018-10-18 Thread David A. Powers
1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact of black innovators not getting credit, there is an even more common story of exploitation in the music industry: musicians and creators who get ripped off, whether it's theft by a manager, record labels stealing, or this current

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-18 Thread Steven Robertson
I'm all for positive discrimination. In order to achieve any sense of equality, it has to be done. It's the way to correct things. RA is a London-based website so far as I know. London is an international city whose residents are less racist than average. It seems that the most racist parts of the

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

2018-10-18 Thread Andrew Duke
Ronnie: Tuesday afternoon FB feeds showed me RA had published a YouTube video titled same as this thread topic. As a HUGE Drexciya fan, I saved the link to check when I got home from work. Didn't check the torrent of emails and messages and notifications that turned out to be related. Tuesday

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2018-10-18 Thread Ronny Pries (rktic)
Do I understand correctly that RA used your interview without clearance, Andrew? > Am 18.10.2018 um 18:25 schrieb denisedalph...@gmail.com: > > We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about Detroit music. > How often does that happen. That doesn’t communicate that the music is

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2018-10-18 Thread denisedalphond
We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about Detroit music. How often does that happen. That doesn’t communicate that the music is only for people of color. White people are never excluded from anything. And in 2018, unintentional? Please. Luis Manuel Garcia writes amazing

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