Re: [Finale] Courtesy naturals
On 8/22/06, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As far as I know that must then be a font problem, since the parenthesized accidentals are always a font character. Sorry for the late addition to this already solved problem, but sometimes this display inconsistency occurs because of where the bounding seems to be set for a specific character in a font. For instance, it's possible that the right edge bounding of the character, (or concievably in the FAN file, though less likely), could end before the right paren begins, and that could then be causing the problem. Since I haven't yet done the "Big Switch" from 2006, I'm not sure if they have changed anything about their default fonts for this update or not? Anyway, just musing on that for what it's worth. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Choral Music Teacher Tecumseh Middle School Tecumseh High School --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] If I only had an option
Note attached hairpins period would be a great thing. I still can't figure out why this hasn't already been implemented (FinMac2006d). -Scot On 8/17/06, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Dejan Badnjar wrote: > Can you imagine if Finale 2007 had an option to draw hairpins in > the Smart Shape Tool/Tab Slide/Smart Line Designer so that you can > be able to make all instances of dynamic changes (eg. P f>pp, etc) and display them in a separate menu for selection (with > metatools), applying them as Pedal markings attached to notes. Talk > about consistency and accuracy. In my long experience with > engraving scores this is where you spend most time, and more when > you do the same thing for extracted parts. I have asked Tobias > years ago about this. This should really be easy to implement. > Music Press has similar feature but with separate dynamics and > hairpins. > Yes, great idea! And probably very easy to implement, as you said. I experimented with creating a Shape expression with P on one end and F on the other and two hand-drawn lines between. It worked, more or less, and I could manually stretch it to fit, but I want better control over the distances between items than this method gives me. The point of the V tends to change as it is dragged, either separating or crossing, and the lines increase distance from the P and F as it grows. A Smart Shape most likely would not have this problem. Plus it is a mighty pain to create in the Shape Designer, a primitive tool if I ever saw one. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Choral Music Teacher Tecumseh Middle School Tecumseh High School --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fwd: Announcement: Sibelius becomes a part of Digidesign
On 8/2/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And it's only those broader masses that will sustain Finale as a product so that the notational capabilities can continue be developed and extended. This is a really true and good point...though it makes me wonder how it is that those of us who use Finale (and/or Sibelius) for high end print publication can make enough of a wave to get the features we need supported or added. Not that I don't appreciate some of the more sequencerish things added or the educationally based features, but I really wish they would get the rest of their program straightened out. (as everyone else has already said). -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Mac 2006 Default Page Format Problem!!!
It's nice to know that my suspicions were correct and confirmed. Glad that worked out for you Brian. -Scot On 7/27/06, Brian Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian, > > Make sure the set up in your default file is the way you want it to > be in other documents. That should fix the problem. > > Chuck Ah, yes. This fixed the problem. I was doing an orchestration project a couple of weeks ago and set a certain file that happened to be a tabloid-format score to be the default document. Since then, I haven't been creating new files from it, only opening old files that were saved in previous versions. It never occurred to me that the Page Setup settings would be used from the default document whenever I opened and tried to print files saved in previous versions. Thanks for the help! Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac 2006 Default Page Format Problem!!!
Brian, A question for you first: Are you opening old files that you made, that someone else made, or a combination of these? Make sure that if you have only been opening old files from one source that you try opening files from other source to make sure that this is true in all circumstances. I've been poking around, and that's a really odd problem. Is it possible that one of your default files, (located in the Component Files directory under the fnale application folder, and named things like Maestro Font Default, ScoreDefault, SmartScoreDefault, etc.), has been changed since installation. Or, are you using a custom default document? I suppose it is possible that it would be oddly drawing a page setup from one of those documents. Otherwise, I'm not sure. I'll keep poking around but haven't ever had this problem myself. -Scot On 7/27/06, Brian Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear List, I have a PowerBook G4 (Ti) 800 MHz running in MacOS 10.4.7. Whenever I open a document in Mac Finale 2006 that was created in a previous version, the page size in the Page Setup dialog always defaults to Tabloid instead of Letter (I never attach my computer to a printer capable of printing that size). I tried changing it to letter and selecting "Save As Default" in the popup menu labeled "Settings", but it didn't stick. Does anyone have any idea how I can force it to default to "Letter" for any documents that weren't previously saved in v2006 after manually changing the setting? Thanks in advance for your help, Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: American Idol vs. musical training
On 7/10/06, John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ah, but one of my REAL pet peeves is the voice teachers who refuse to teach the basics for healthy singing to students who are interested in the worlds of music outside opera, and then turn around and use them as examples that singing pop or jazz or Broadway is bad for your voice. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy! Amen. and regarding watching or not watching the show, I have to say that about 2 or 3 years ago I had the luck to catch the audition show, (where they show the best and worst auditions for the season), the day before I was about to start the 3 day audition process for our choirs, where we were going to hear 400 versions of My country 'Tis of Thee. It certainly got me in the mood. =) -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hard spaces not appearing
Steve ultimately had the most helpful response to this, but this is a common problem I have encountered when using times type 1 postscript. Steve suggests using open type, which can be found below. I've also used the work around of searching for the opt-space characters and replacing them with my palatino type 1 ps, which _does_ work for some reason. Hope this helps, I included our previous conversation below: Most recent to oldest: -Scot ---from Optical Margin Alignment thread Steve wrote: I have done some very extensive tests regarding the optionspace issue and our conclusions is that it is a font, OS, and Finale 2006 related. What we have discovered in 2006 is that you need to use OT fonts for option spaces to go to press and PDF properly AND consistently. This only affects certain fonts but the big problem is it is the main ones like Palatino and Times. There are some instances where Old Adobe fonts will be OK and you can use the Apple supplied fonts but we needed something a bit more concrete than using .dfonts. OT fonts have cured all problems with Finale. This problem also affect special characters in Spanish text. You can pickup the "Adobe Type Basics OpenType Edition" for $99 online http://store.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_1902.html . The only thing you may need to purchase separately is Times. After we made this move we have had no problems. Steve On 6/30/06 3:24 PM, "Scot Hanna-Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've had some problems with the option space character in certain fonts as well. Problems where, in times for instance, the option space character appears as a [] box looking thing and then prints with no space at all. The way I've been able to combat this problem is to search and replace option-spaces with palatino. For some reason, Palatino prints and displays correctly for me. It's been a bit of a mystery to me for a while, but at least I found a work around. -Scot On 6/30/06, Don Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems somewhat unfair, doesn't it? I mean, seems like you did your part correctly. Have you tried a hard space yet? (I believe that's option/space.) Don Hart on 6/30/06 2:19 PM, Barbara Touburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im' trying to similate optical margin alignment a la InDesign. It works fine in Finale, but it doesn't print correctly. Has anyone any experience with this? See: http://tinyurl.com/m2ckh Barbara -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Annoying dialog
Hey Chuck, Go to your Finale application folder > Component Files and open up MacSymbolFonts.txt and then delete the line that has Times listed. That "should" solve the problem. -Scot On 7/3/06, Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Every time I open a file I get this dialog. (This has happened before - quite some time ago. Someone told me how to cure it then, but I've forgotten.) "While the "MacSymbolFonts.txt" file on your computer lists "Times" as a symbol font, the "MacSymbolFonts.txt" file on the computer from which this file was created did not. Do you want to mark the font as a Symbol font in this document?" It doesn't matter whether I chose yes or no, I always get this dialog (for the past few days). The dialog is not correct, since these files were, in fact, created on this computer. It's an annoyance to have to click with the mouse every time in order to open Finale files. Help? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time signatures
The time signature replacement suggestion is excellent. That hadn't ever occured to me. However, I tend to use the expression method. Make sure when you create it, go ahead and edit the default placement for position in measure so that it left aligns with start of time signature and then adjust the vertical positioning from the staff reference line until it positions as you want it. Then it's only a click away from insertion for you and is always positions consistently in the same place. -Scot On 7/2/06, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 01.07.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > I am working on an overture that has multiple movements. > Some of the dance movements have time signatures of a single "3." > While I can change the document option for time signatures to reflect what the manuscript shows, > (I do that by putting a large distance for the lower number and force it off the page) > This won't work because it will affect all the time signatures for all the movements, some of which have > time signatures of 6/8 or 12/8 and I need that lower number to be seen. > Although it is possible to edit either the C or Cut C abbreviations to display as a single 3, the best and most flexible solution in my opinion is to use a measure expression, and use the measure tool to insert the appropriate space (possible in recent versions of Finale, I guess 2k5 and higher). Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Comments appreciated
I think another important distinction for encyclopedias in general is that these should never be your primary source. So, anything that gives you general information can be very helpful, and especially in instances where there is debate on a subject, you are getting easy access to evidence of that debate that you can then continue to investigate through other sources. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Optical margin alignment
I've had some problems with the option space character in certain fonts as well. Problems where, in times for instance, the option space character appears as a [] box looking thing and then prints with no space at all. The way I've been able to combat this problem is to search and replace option-spaces with palatino. For some reason, Palatino prints and displays correctly for me. It's been a bit of a mystery to me for a while, but at least I found a work around. -Scot On 6/30/06, Don Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems somewhat unfair, doesn't it? I mean, seems like you did your part correctly. Have you tried a hard space yet? (I believe that's option/space.) Don Hart on 6/30/06 2:19 PM, Barbara Touburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Im' trying to similate optical margin alignment a la InDesign. It works > fine in Finale, but it doesn't print correctly. Has anyone any > experience with this? > > See: http://tinyurl.com/m2ckh > > Barbara > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The REAL Finale 2007 question
Oooh, now that would be great. What I really want is a mug...or a glass. One of my co-workers has the tall blue Finale pint glass, "for when engraving drives you to drink, finale is there to provide you the means." -Scot On 6/29/06, Andrew Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, updating parts, Intel support for Mac, horizontal scrolling... yada, yada, yada The real question is, are we gonna get t-shirts again? Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted slurs...
If you absolutely have to make a slur for a special situation that needs a different dashing setup, then you can do so using a shape expression. You'll have to create this in the shape editor, (which as most of us know is a little fickle and difficult to work with). Here though, you'd be able to create an arc and dash it and set it to whatever thickness you want. -Scot On 6/24/06, Éric Dussault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 06-06-24 à 17:46, Kim Patrick Clow a écrit : > Is there a way to increase the hashing/dotted effect to make it > more noticeable? With the smart shape tool you can not increase it on a case by case basis. It is a global setting in the smart shape options. Specifically Dash length and space that you could modify to accomodate shorter slurs. It will also affect built-in dotted lines in other smart shape tools. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shape Expression Editing
I've always wondered why you can't note attach a hairpin like you can a slur. THAT, would be cool.-ScotOn 6/22/06, Eric Dannewitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Agreed. There better be some neat stuff in Finale 2007. Like dynamic parts. dhbailey wrote:>> Addressing them is one thing -- solving them is quite another. We'll> just have to wait and see if 2007 is a true notation improvement> package or another "let's tack on more bright shiny objects to dazzle > them while distracting from the unresolved issues of many years.">> Sign me "A 2006 early adopter who still doesn't find GPO any more> helpful (especially the saxophones) than the soundfont playback we've > had for years.">___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale-- Scot Hanna-WeirMusic EngraverA-R Editions, Inc.Music Educator--- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hyphens Acting Weird
Jacki: Under Document Options -> Lyrics there is a section on hypens. Make sure your Maximum distance between hyphens is set high enough. Finale defaults to about .5 inches, or 36 points. (you can change measurement units at the bottom if yours is displaying in something like EVPUs or another unit). -Scot On 6/22/06, Jacki Barineau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Everyone - for some reason suddenly the hyphens separating syllables are not putting just 1 dash like it usually does, but it's putting 2-3 dashes in between syllables and it looks silly! How can I set this back to just putting 1 dash for each hyphen. I'm not sure what I changed to cause this!! Thanks so much, Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Medieval Plugin Update
Many appologies then! Still getting used to the gmail client. -Scot On 6/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In a message dated 22/06/2006 18:07:00 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (I don't think this went through the first time [or the second time], sorry if it is a repeat. It's my last try, I promise) Have faith my friend, it's getting through! I've had it three times now. :-) All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk Dulcian Wind Quintet: http://dulcianwind.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Medieval Plugin Update
(I don't think this went through the first time [or the second time], sorry if it is a repeat. It's my last try, I promise) Hello list, A couple of weeks ago I wrote in with some questions about creating medieval (neumes) notation in Finale. (see the thread: [Finale] Neumes/Gregorian Chant Notation). Well, we received the plug-in today and I just went through the tutorial: The output is just as nice as it looked on the web page samples. It provides you a tool bar with 12 new tools that are specific to the notation, two templates and two fonts with .fan files provided. For the most part it is really quite elegant, and pleasantly assumes some base knowledge of Medieval notation, in that a lot of the ligature changes are created through combining of the actual pitches they represent. (Which I find handy, others may disagree). One interesting feature is that it deals with the problem of meter, (or lack thereof actually), by dealing with meter for you. You basically over-fill measures and then Medieval has tools that work around these spacing problems and allow you to enter a lot of notes and make them look good. I'm honestly a little weirded out when I'm taken out of the equation for dealing with something Finale does, but I think it might be something I could get used to. (At least in this specific case). Here's how typical entry goes: You enter all the pitches in a "measure" as quarter notes using speedy or simple entry. (Making sure that check for overfull measures is off, jump to next measure, etc and all that stuff is off). You select your entries using mass edit, and use the spacing tool provided with medieval. You use select partial measures to edit and group pitches together by creating ligatures, cycle through various noteheads, add special symbols, etc. Finally, there are nudge tools that allow you to fine tune the positioning of gropus or single pitches. Handy. The fonts offer a decent variety of characters and I feel they all look pretty elegant. Seems like a worthwhile purchase if Medieval notation is your thing. -Scot for more info: http://www.klemm-music.de/medieval/ if you are interested in purchasing, I'm reminded that Nick Carter's company sells it domestically in the US: www.npcimaging.com ; otherwise it's coming from Deutchland. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Shape Expression Editing
Finalites: Why is it that when you use fixed size fonts in the Shape Expression editing window, that they don't actually display at size. I am trying to create an expression of a double long bracket using two stacked brackets, deleting the hooks in the middle and replacing with a line. This is impossible because it doesn't display on screen/print the way it looks in the editor window, AND, you can't actually nudge the lines to the level of detail you need to connect the brackets anyway. When, dear friends, will Finale update the shape expression editor so that we are not all so sad. ---And others have the problem where occasionally, when zooming, the display jumps -6000+ coordinates south? That frustrates me too. -Scot ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Neumes/Gregorian Chant Notation (Medieval Plugin)
(I don't think this went through the first time, sorry if it is a repeat) Hello list, A couple of weeks ago I wrote in with some questions about creating medieval (neumes) notation in Finale. (see the thread: [Finale] Neumes/Gregorian Chant Notation). Well, we received the plug-in today and I just went through the tutorial: The output is just as nice as it looked on the web page samples. It provides you a tool bar with 12 new tools that are specific to the notation, two templates and two fonts with .fan files provided. For the most part it is really quite elegant, and pleasantly assumes some base knowledge of Medieval notation, in that a lot of the ligature changes are created through combining of the actual pitches they represent. (Which I find handy, others may disagree). One interesting feature is that it deals with the problem of meter, (or lack thereof actually), by dealing with meter for you. You basically over-fill measures and then Medieval has tools that work around these spacing problems and allow you to enter a lot of notes and make them look good. I'm honestly a little weirded out when I'm taken out of the equation for dealing with something Finale does, but I think it might be something I could get used to. (At least in this specific case). Here's how typical entry goes: You enter all the pitches in a "measure" as quarter notes using speedy or simple entry. (Making sure that check for overfull measures is off, jump to next measure, etc and all that stuff is off). You select your entries using mass edit, and use the spacing tool provided with medieval. You use select partial measures to edit and group pitches together by creating ligatures, cycle through various noteheads, add special symbols, etc. Finally, there are nudge tools that allow you to fine tune the positioning of gropus or single pitches. Handy. The fonts offer a decent variety of characters and I feel they all look pretty elegant. Seems like a worthwhile purchase if Medieval notation is your thing. -Scot for more info: http://www.klemm-music.de/medieval/ if you are interested in purchasing, I'm reminded that Nick Carter's company sells it domestically in the US: www.npcimaging.com ; otherwise it's coming from Deutchland. -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Medieval (neumes notation plug-in) update
Hello list, A couple of weeks ago I wrote in with some questions about creating medieval (neumes) notation in Finale. (see the thread: [Finale] Neumes/Gregorian Chant Notation). Well, we received the plug-in today and I just went through the tutorial: The output is just as nice as it looked on the web page samples. It provides you a tool bar with 12 new tools that are specific to the notation, two templates and two fonts with .fan files provided. For the most part it is really quite elegant, and pleasantly assumes some base knowledge of Medieval notation, in that a lot of the ligature changes are created through combining of the actual pitches they represent. (Which I find handy, others may disagree). One interesting feature is that it deals with the problem of meter, (or lack thereof actually), by dealing with meter for you. You basically over-fill measures and then Medieval has tools that work around these spacing problems and allow you to enter a lot of notes and make them look good. I'm honestly a little weirded out when I'm taken out of the equation for dealing with something Finale does, but I think it might be something I could get used to. (At least in this specific case). Here's how typical entry goes: You enter all the pitches in a "measure" as quarter notes using speedy or simple entry. (Making sure that check for overfull measures is off, jump to next measure, etc and all that stuff is off). You select your entries using mass edit, and use the spacing tool provided with medieval. You use select partial measures to edit and group pitches together by creating ligatures, cycle through various noteheads, add special symbols, etc. Finally, there are nudge tools that allow you to fine tune the positioning of gropus or single pitches. Handy. The fonts offer a decent variety of characters and I feel they all look pretty elegant. Seems like a worthwhile purchase if Medieval notation is your thing. -Scot for more info: http://www.klemm-music.de/medieval/ if you are interested in purchasing, I'm reminded that Nick Carter's company sells it domestically in the US: www.npcimaging.com ; otherwise it's coming from Deutchland. -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: names of kids
I have a family friend who's first name was Paula, she married Mr. Paula, hence: Paula Paula. I was always so impressed. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
I suppose if it crashes the program it most certainly is...we should report. -Scot On 6/14/06, Brennon Bortz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This works just fine, but it's just another step... Is this just a bug that I have to use a workaround for? On 6/13/06 10:11 PM, "Scot Hanna-Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brennon, > >Have you attempted printing a postscript file and then distilling instead? > > On 6/13/06, Brennon Bortz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I apologize for so many messages, but I thought it important to also note >> that this only occurs when I am printing from Finale. Attempts to print >> using these settings from any other programs run without a hitch. >> >> Thanks, >> Brennnon >> >> >> >> On 6/13/06 12:13 PM, "Brennon Bortz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. >> >> Thanks, >> Brennon >> >> >> On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, "Brennon Bortz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Hello list, >> >> I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat >> 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print >> any Finale file as a PDF using the "Press Quality" PDF settings, Finale >> crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with >> the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? >> >> Thanks again, >> Brennon >> >> >> >> -- >> B. Christopher Bortz >> Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology >> University of California, Riverside >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> > -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PDF Printing Problems
Brennon, Have you attempted printing a postscript file and then distilling instead? On 6/13/06, Brennon Bortz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I apologize for so many messages, but I thought it important to also note that this only occurs when I am printing from Finale. Attempts to print using these settings from any other programs run without a hitch. Thanks, Brennnon On 6/13/06 12:13 PM, "Brennon Bortz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Correction: I am running Finale 2006D. Thanks, Brennon On 6/13/06 12:07 PM, "Brennon Bortz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello list, I am trying to print a PDF from FinMac2006/OSX. I am running Acrobat 7.0.0, Finale 2006.r3 (C, that is), and OS X 10.4.6. Anytime I try to print any Finale file as a PDF using the "Press Quality" PDF settings, Finale crashes and no PDF is created. I can print through other PDF settings with the DPI set to 4000dpi with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks again, Brennon -- B. Christopher Bortz Teaching Assistant and Graduate Student in Music Composition and Musicology University of California, Riverside [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Those Basso Continuo blues...
On 6/10/06, Kim Patrick Clow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The only issue I am having is here: http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/offending_note.jpg I really can't drop the bass staff much more without making the page layout look wierd. Flipping the note stem doesn't have any impact either. Kim, Looks like you have plent of space to raise those figures above your final note in the image you sent. Even if you are mostly or completely aligning your FB throughout your score, I think it is highly preferable to just continue to bump up the figures until they clear the note, and then possibly remove some space from between the staves above to clear than to flip the figures below. If you have more than one more staff in that system above, I'd say you should have plent of space to be able to take care of that. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Using Custom Music Fonts
You are a genius! I swear that is the simplest and greatest fix I have ever seen! Thanks. -Scot On 6/9/06, Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Scot, Is this a case of the older articulations not recognizing the FAN files for the new font? One thing I'd try: select the offending articulations and hit the "clear" key. If you are lucky, this may solve the problem. I have encountered this when replacing articulations en masse (Jazz Font articulations with some of Bill Duncan's newly created articulation font glyphs). When the new shape is substituted in the articulation library for the piece, and it then appears in the score, its placement conforms to the location of the original articulation (according to its handles etc.) . Selecting the new articulations and hitting the clear key resets them to their own default placement. Seems worth a try. Chuck On Jun 9, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: > Hello list, > > I've been working on refining a custom music font for Finale, and > am having a problem with how it pulls in articulations. In an existing > file, if an articulation was entered prior to importing the new font, > these articulations are often setting incorrectly, per the problems > with the old font version. However, if I create a new articulation, it > sets correctly. Anyone aware of an easy way to have these > articulations re-reference a font or to default themselves to the > position they should be. > > ...hopefully that makes sense to people. Maybe I should clarify. > > - File was created with old version of a custom music font. > - Articulations, (like staccato dots), were created. > - New version of custom music font was applied. > - Old articulations still set poorly, new articulations look just > great. > > Ideas? > > -Scot > > -- > Scot Hanna-Weir > Music Engraver > A-R Editions, Inc. > > Music Educator > --- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com _______ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Using Custom Music Fonts
Hello list, I've been working on refining a custom music font for Finale, and am having a problem with how it pulls in articulations. In an existing file, if an articulation was entered prior to importing the new font, these articulations are often setting incorrectly, per the problems with the old font version. However, if I create a new articulation, it sets correctly. Anyone aware of an easy way to have these articulations re-reference a font or to default themselves to the position they should be. ...hopefully that makes sense to people. Maybe I should clarify. - File was created with old version of a custom music font. - Articulations, (like staccato dots), were created. - New version of custom music font was applied. - Old articulations still set poorly, new articulations look just great. Ideas? -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale support staff won't recognize obvious bug.
On 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had a situation where I had two tied notes on the same line or space, but they had different pitches, due to different accidentals. For example, F natural tied to F#, or E flat tied to E natural, which would be slurs, not tied notes. Finale sometimes HIDES the second accidental in that case. Obviously this leads to a notation error. When I pointed this out, I was told, "this is normal behavior." Maybe they should distinguish between a slur and a tie. Right now the software treats them as the same. But you certainly DON'T want it to hide the second accidental if they are different pitches. Was the slur entered as a smartshape slur or as a tie? If it was entered as a tie, Finale would be assuming you were connecting these pitches and so they must be the same. (regardless of accidentals, I know...odd). But, one really shouldn't be using a tie to make a slur. Could you clarify how these were entered? -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia question : how to create a dashed line to connect to a measure underneath
On 6/6/06, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > I am trying to create an ossia measure that give's an alternative > reading of a manuscript. > I have that part down pat. The ossia measure is above the measure where > it needs to be. > It looks fine, but the ossia is just out there floating above the measure. > And I've seen a score where there are dashed lines that extend down from > the ossia on both ends, down to the measure > to "connect" it visusally. > > It was suggested to that I create a bar group to connect an ossia > measure to the measure underneath it. > One issue I have is I can't find the staff number for the ossia, I'm not > even sure it has one. > > Any help from the list is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you so much, > Why mess with barlines -- the SmartShapes tool already has a dotted line -- use that. If you were hoping to avoid losing proper positioning if layout changes, you could also make yourself a shape expression and then measure attach it to center over the left or right barline. That way it would always move with your barlines/measures/layout/etc... I agree that fussing with groups and all that stuff is probably not worth it for the occasional barline. That would probably work had you set up a separate staff and optimized/hidden the unneeded sections away, but since you are using ossia, I don't think that's the way to go. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Neumes/Gregorian Chant Notation
We're going with the plug-in, so I'll post again once it gets here and I've had a chance to play with it - to let you know what it's like. -Scot ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Neumes/Gregorian Chant Notation
Hello list, We got a project in that requires doing some notation with neumes. What advice do you all have about working with this type of notation in Finale. Should we shell out the cash and buy the Medieval plugin (http://www.klemm-music.de/medieval/), or are there ways to effectively do this within the confines of Finale without spending that money? Thoughts and opinions, (of which I am sure there are many), are appreciated. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands & Shortcuts
On 6/4/06, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It would be wonderful for ALL Finale users if there were a list of all the changes, in some sort of alphabetical or logical order, rather than the current "oh yes, and I almost forgot, we also did THIS" format of the current incomplete list we get with each version. Oh well, we can dream, can't we? Apparently that's all we'll get to do about such things, given MakeMusic's reply to your request. Too many things to possibly list them all? Give me a f#$%&ing break! If it's too long to possibly list them all, it would be too long for them to have actually programmed them all! Let me start by saying I completely agree with you. There, now that I have that out of the way... =) I think what happens with MM, and most software developers that do this yearly, "buy me cause I have a few new toys and a few more bugs" update thing, is that it is such a rush to production, that while they do have a list of what they're working on, it's probably not always clear what is actually going to get finished by production, and that the final list of what makes it in is probably not known to any one person. This is problematic...but more importantly symptomatic of this kind of development. While it may be "better business" to release a yearly update to rake in the revenue, for the stability and promise of the program, I'd sincerely prefer that MM take their time, work on specific problems that they, (and their dedicated users), want addressed, and release the update when it is stable, ready, and significantly improved. I guess we can dream, David. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands & Shortcuts
On 6/4/06, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, cmd-opt-` (the Fin2005 shortcut) *is* reserved by OS X. Cmd-E is a lot easier to reach than cmd-opt-` anyway. I'm glad they made the change, even if I sometimes go for the wrong combo when I forget which version of Finale I'm in. Well, for once I count myself lucky that I started on PC and moved to Mac, because cmd-E made worlds of sense to me. Isn't it amazing how we can think something like cmd-E makes sense to switch between views? We are so entrenched in Finale-land. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [Finale Win 2k5b] how to copy only content of level2 of a staff into level 2 of another staff?
On 6/1/06, Don Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While I'm at it, does anyone know a mac kbd command for this option, like the one David pointed out on the windows side? Don, There's none listed in the manual or under the menu where it resides, and after trying a lot of "logical" combinations I thought it might possibly be if it exists...I have decided that I don't think there is one on the mac side. -Sad. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout for ABA form
David Bailey wrote: And this discussion is great proof that in 200 years, when people dig out the music of the Duke Ellington or Stan Kenton or Count Basie orchestras, there will be a whole PhD dissertation war on whether the 8ths should be swung or straight, and what degree of swing they should have. It's nice to know that our era will be leaving behind a wealth of inconsistent notation to keep future generations of musicologists in business. That is, if they can ever get beyond investigating performance practices of the 1700s. :-) ...And maybe these musicologists will find some archives of our discussion and be able to argue about whether internet discussions are credible scholarly sources. =) -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: External Numeric keypad - FinWin
Yeah, that is one of the dumber things about the shape designer, but then again, as we have already all discussed in detail, they could really improve that tool significantly in a number of ways. -Scot On 5/29/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29 May 2006 at 11:06, Ken Moore wrote: > "Steve Currington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > The keyboard shortcuts that use > the for example alt or ctrl etc keys and numeric on the laptop do not > work when I try using the USB keypad. > > I keep a notepad file on the desktop with all the special characters I > am likely to need. CTRL-C and CTRL-V are very quick. One of the problems with that approach is that you can't paste from the clipboard in the shape designer. That really ought to be fixed, seems to me. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano score rolled chords
the standard I use would be one line or space above or below the chord. For instance, if you had a chord in a staff that was the first, second and third space, you would make the arpeggio line begin at the bottom line of the staff and go to the line one down from the top. If the chord ends or begins on a line, the rule would be to middle of the space above, (even if we are talking ledger lines). -Scot On 5/28/06, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 28, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > > On May 28, 2006, at 2:56 PM, D. Keneth Fowler wrote: > >> To the wisdom of the list, >> >> Piano score, several chords roll through both staves.What is >> considered good practice in locating the upper and lower termination >> points for the roll signs? DoI key on the termination points of the >> stems or on the highest and lowest note heads? >> > > I have always terminated slightly above the highest, and slightly > below the lowest note. > > Now that you bring it up, I have absolutely no idea whether there is > some standard point to terminate or not. > I just checked the three books I have at hand. Stone and Heussenstamm make no mention of it, and are inconsistent with their examples, being somewhere between ending at the notehead and extending slightly beyond, as I do. Clinton Roemer says nothing, but is very consistent in starting and stopping at the top and bottom limits of the noteheads. The stem end seems to be out of the question. Hope this helps. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Error message
I have used and loved winzip for years. Hooray WinZip...and more importantly, the glory of WinSite, which was my digital bible/supplier of freeware/shareware programs back in the day as I moved from 3.1 to '95 to '98 to NT to 2000. -Scot On 5/27/06, Karen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any particular method work best? Hi Don, I have stuffit deluxe. You can encrypt in several formats including .zip and .sit. This AOL proofs files. There are other useful features too in stuffit. I often encrypt files that I send with a password (sending the file in one e-mail and the password in a separate e-mail) since e-mail isn't by default secure. Not completely foolproof but better than nothing! Hope you are doing well! Best, Karen > > I stopped using aol a number of years ago because of all the > problems I had > had with it, and have never since tried to keep up with how to work > within > their system. > > Thanks for the info! > > Don > > > on 5/26/06 1:16 PM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Don Hart / 2006/05/26 / 01:43 PM wrote: >> >>> Just in case anyone was wracking their brain over this >>> one, :-) the file >>> was sent via AOL --- 'nuff said. >> >> Ahh, then, was the file compressed? You know AOL uses propriety MIME >> which almost guaranty to corrupt files that is not known to AOL. The >> only way is to zip up the file before sending. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics
On 5/27/06, dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dc écrit: >Is there any easy way to get all lyrics or all selected back to the >default alignment? I thought there was a plug-in to do this, but I can't >find it. Sorry, never mind, I found it just after sending. Just make sure that you also reset your baselines in the adjust baseline dialogue to the font default if that is also an issue for you. -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale on G5
On 5/25/06, dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A-NO-NE Music écrit: >Meanwhile, I still believe there is no excuse that Finale never offered >SaveAs older version format, do you not think? Couldn't agree more. Especially that this seems to be a deliberate choice on their part... Probably why they didn't is because several of the updates along the way would have involved changes in data structures and in the way that the enigma files were encoded. These changes in data architecture would not be able to be duplicated in an older format because they were new features/structures, or significant changes to old structures. Therefore, there wouldn't have been a way to save as an older version with the guarantee of no data loss, and as we were talking about previously, with our unwillingness to update older files due to unpredictable changes, I don't think we'd be excited about loss of data going the opposite way. However, it sure would have been nice. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Mac / Win Equivalency Question
Dear list: I'm a mac user, and haven't had to do this on a windows machine in a long time so am unable to remember the procedure. If you want more than one word to set under a single note as a lyric, on a mac, you can type option-space to insert the null space character. What, pray tell, is the equivalent method in windows? Thanks for your help. My Mother-in-law will thank you. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale on G5
On 5/24/06 12:47 PM, "Phil Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only problem I am aware of, with respect to programs "running too > fast", was games. > > There were many free programs available to slow down the computer > intentionally. > Very true...and it's not a current problem for me. I just always thought it was kind of humorous. Pretty much everything I use currently is the latest version. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale on G5
On 5/24/06 11:20 AM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, you're admitting that your comments are made in complete > ignorance of the situation with Windows? I think "complete ignorance" might be a little strong. In pointing out that there was a shift from 3.1 to '95, I was mainly just pointing out that there have been major changes in OS for Win machines as well. You are very correct that these DO provide for backward compatibility. My only problem ever running DOS apps in XP was that my processor was too fast for the program. Sorry to come off as so infuriatingly ignorant. > And, of course, in the OS X case, compatibility layers *were* > provided, and those have eased the transition period for users of > older apps. That Classic goes away on MacIntel shouldn't be a major > Problem for any large number of Mac users, seems to me, as OS X is a > half decade old at this point. That's the lifespan of a computer, so > only people who were conservative and bought an OS9 computer just as > OS X was released would be in the position of transitioning now. And, > of course, they would have had the full period to begin the > transition themselves, had they chosen to prepare for the future. Yeah, the had they chosen to prepare for the future has caught several people I know who do publishing on Classic G4s. Fear of Extensis Fusion, an update of Fontographer and the inability to easily print a directory listing from OS X have been the major concerns expressed to me. I'm quite happy on my OSX machine. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale on G5
On 5/24/06 10:01 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the move to Intel this will change. The oldest version that can > technically run on current Intel Macs is Fin2k4. If Win really has such backwards compatibility, and we are saying that these really old versions will run in XP, if you are dual-booting the new intels to windows, wouldn't you theoretically be able to run any version that would still work on a windows box? Or am I missing some key component to why this wouldn't be the case? -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale on G5
While that all may be true -- I guess I should point out that 1995, of Windows '95 fame was only 11 years ago. (I remember when my notice came that DOS Magazine would no longer be printed due to the new OS...sad days). -Scot On 5/24/06 8:49 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Johannes Gebauer said: >> >> You are obviously not aware of the current situation of Mac models. This >> is not a normal situation. > > It seems all too nauseatingly normal for Mac models. Apple has subjected Mac > users (of which I am one) to three (count em!) major platform shifts in the > last 12-15 years, and the time between each one is getting shorter. While I > hope this is the last one for a while, I'm not banking on it. > > The impact is felt harder by developers than users. That said, I have an > untested impression that there is a pickup in the number Mac users of Finale. > (Or at least, in the number of Mac users who use my plugins with Finale.) It > could just be that the Mac users are having more issues because of the > accumulating paradigm shifts we suffer from. > > To the original question about Fin06 running on MacIntel, superficially I > can't tell any difference between running it on MacIntel and on PPC, except > that it is a tad slow on my machine (a bottom-of-the-line Mac Mini). I have > not tried any midi yet, and I have not messed with GPO stuff on any platform. > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on double-stop passages for violin
Mark, I use layers all the time, and just in situations where I need them. Voices are fine and I generally use them if the split is within a measure, but if the multiple-voice situation extends beyond a measure, I think layers are the way to go. If you have a situation where you have something like a whole note tied across lots of measures, and you want the other part to maintain normal stem direction, you can change the stem issue globally in document options by going to the layers tab and unchecking "Freeze stems and ties". You'll need to do this for each layer you want to use default stem directions. If you have situations in the same piece where in one case you want default directions and another you want strictly opposing stems, remember you have four layers to work with. What you could do is set Layer one to lock upstem, (which is the default), layer two to lock downstem, (also the default), and then set layers three and four to not freeze stems or ties. That way, in those situations, you use layers 3 and 4, not 1 and 2. It's a thought anyway. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Missing handles
Ken, Page Layout tool, right click / (control-click) the handle for your final system and select, "Allow individual staff spacing". That should give you the handles you need. -Scot On 5/19/06 1:42 PM, "D. Keneth Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Again I ask for help from the list. > > I hope this is not a dumb oversight on my part. This optimized score has > two voices. I have selected the Staff Tool. All systems except the last > have staves with two handles each. Last system, alone on last page, has > handles only at the top of each staff. I need to move the lower staff. How > can I get the lower handle to appear in each staff of this system? Can I > assume that if the two measures on the last page were on what is now the > next to last page, the missing handle issue would not exist? I hope I have > stated this matter clearly. > > Many thanks for your help. > > Ken > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulations in piano parts
Just for fun, I'll weigh in as a pianist. Both hands for sure. The exception I might think to mention would involve a homorhythmic passage that is very dense vertically and where spacing is going to be a problem for you. In those instances, if both hands are playing the same rhythm or line, you could probably forsake articulations in the LH. Otherwise, I would ALWAYS place articulations on any note that you want articulated. -Scot On 5/16/06 1:52 PM, "Don Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not a pianist or engraver, but as a composer who has dealt with both I > feel it would be more correct and less ambiguous to articulate both hands. > If, as it seems here, this is your usual practice a player knows you and > your music, your usual is probably ok. But if the music is going to be > published and offered to a wider group of players, I would personally add > the markings to both hands. > > I haven't found specific mention of this in Gardner Read, but one of the > examples he uses in his "Accents and Slurs" chapter in his book "Music > Notation" is from "Five Piano Pieces" by Arnold Schonberg. He uses it as an > example of music in which "almost every individual note has its personal > dynamic mark, accent sign, or other ancillary marking." It seems to follow > that he would have been a proponent of accents in both hands in your > situation. > > Don Hart > > > on 5/16/06 12:38 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I have heard two opinions about articulations in keyboard parts with >> similar music in both hands: If they appear in the RH, it is assumed >> that the LH articulations are the same (my usual practice); and - put >> them in both hands. >> >> What is normal professional engraving practice? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> Chuck Israels >> 230 North Garden Terrace >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >> phone (360) 671-3402 >> fax (360) 676-6055 >> www.chuckisraels.com >> >> _______ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compile vs. print
A couple more thoughts for you Dennis: You said it prints to .ps correctly, are you sure, and how did you check this? You said that it printed to your non-postscript printers correctly, do you have any postscript printers on your network, and is it possible that they were set as the printer when you were creating the .ps file? If so, is this font installed on the printer in question? I should have asked before if you are using mac or win, but if mac, do you have multiple users set up for fast user-switching. If so, have more than one been logged in at a time, and do they have different font profiles? ...hmmm, I'm scratching my head a lot on this one, let me know what progress you make. -Scot On 5/16/06 10:42 AM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:15 AM 5/16/06 -0500, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >> Opening the font, is the bounding box properly positioned around the >> character? > > Yes. I suspected that, and did a 'select all', in case there were points > outside the visible area. There weren't, and all the font glyphs validated > for incorrect points and contours. > >> You aren't using multiple machines are you? > > No. This is on the machine that created it. And the font is embedded. But > it was a good thought, as I had not opened it on a different machine > without the font installed. I did that -- and the displays were identical, > alas. Your suggestion made me think that I should try compiling this on > another machine, which I will do later. > >> Is there another font with the same name on your system that Adobe might >> think is the one is should call. You might check the permissions on the font >> file itself, and that is is properly located on your system. > > There is only this one name, which is unique in both filename and font > name. It is where it belongs. And all test conditions were identical for > the images that I posted (computer, Finale version, and music file). > >> I'm sure that all of these are things you've checked, but those are some of >> the thoughts that I had. Not sure how helpful I can be. > > Thanks very much, Scott. You've got me started on some more ideas. > > Best to you, > Dennis > > -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compile vs. print
Dennis, I find it particularly odd that it displays correctly in some formats, but not in others, (though I can't say I haven't had the same problem). A couple of things you might want to check: Opening the font, is the bounding box properly positioned around the character? I'm assuming it probably is given it's correct display within the program and in some other export formats. You aren't using multiple machines are you? Is it possible that if so, the other machine has a slightly different version/corrupted version of the font. Is there another font with the same name on your system that Adobe might think is the one is should call. You might check the permissions on the font file itself, and that is is properly located on your system. I'm sure that all of these are things you've checked, but those are some of the thoughts that I had. Not sure how helpful I can be. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 5/13/06 4:10 PM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm still stuck in the PDF issues in Finale 2K6c. I bought the EPS combiner > so I could export EPS from Finale to the 9.2x12.2 pages that I use (as > Finale's compile doesn't accept custom page size values) and create the > full PDF from there. I thought I was home free. :) > > But something else is up. Just one character, an upward 16th flag, is > misplaced. It's the only character that has a problem (no other flags in > either direction, or other characters), and every character of the font > fully validates in the font creation program (this is the modified Revere > I've been working with). It has a FAN file, not that it should matter. > > It displays correctly. It prints correctly to the non-postscript Xerox, > Canon, HP and Epson printers. It prints correctly to Postscript. But it > doesn't compile or export correctly. > > Anyone who really knows something about Postscript, could you look here? > I've set out several screen captures at 400% magnification. > http://maltedmedia.com/whatupfinale.html > > Only the compile and export versions (distilled with Distiller 5) misplace > the flag (and also the stems slightly). When it's run through Ghostscript > instead of Distiller, it makes the stems thinner but still misplaces the > flag. > > The export to TIFF works correctly, however, but is of course jagged. > > If it is print to file (Acrobat 3 or 5), it produces a proper PDF, but as > we have all experienced, the screen display is poor at normal > magnifications, the curves and angled lines are more jagged (even when > using 2400 dpi output), and the resulting PDF file is up to 20 times larger. > > I can live with the misplaced stems. But I don't know what would be > affecting just this one character. I really like the look of the scores > with this font. Any experts who would know where to look in the font (if > that in fact is the problem) to fix this? > > Many thanks, > Dennis > > > > -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Slurs and Tab
Title: [Finale] Slurs and Tab Hello wise list, Here’s something that I don’t anticipate finding a fix for, but I wonder if anyone can muse over why this might have happened. I’m working on a two volume project of theorbo and theorbino tablature/transcriptions, and everything looked good at first proofs. We open the files to do corrections for seconds and all of the slurs in the tab staff have risen about 12 pts. So, I’m having to go in and manually drag all of the slurs back down to their original places. Any thoughts as to why this might have happened? (We have not upgraded between the first proofs and now). FinMac 2006a Thanks wise ones. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Solid Barlines
On 5/12/06 8:31 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the Shostakovich 5 I mentioned in a previous message, I noticed in > the score that the barlines at the rehearsal marks were quite thick, > about like Finale's thick barlines. It was remarkable because I had > never seen them before (except in incompetent Finale copying) and I > don't know what to make of them. > > The rehearsal numbers (about every 4 bars or so) seem to occur in the > bar BEFORE a phrase beginning, which is extremely off-putting. The > editor is also inconsistent on this, sometimes putting a rehearsal > marking ON a phrase start, just to mess with our heads. > > Christopher Isn't it amazing how, even though we may have been picky about our editions previously as players, that the more engraving knowledge you develop, the more craptastic engraving we notice? I know I'll never look at an elementary music textbook the same. -Scot (I realize that comment didn't really add much to the discussion. I hope you'll forgive me). -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Parenthetical bowings
I'm not saying this is necessarily easy, but you can create a shape articulation, just as you were to create a shape expression. Either duplicate your current upbow/downbow articulations, or create a new one, edit it, for the main and flipped character, select the shape radio button. Click Main..., (that will show you a bunch of shapes to choose from), click create..., and then you can use your text tool to get the characters you'll need from various fonts to build your shape articulation. (If you have already made these as shape expressions, you should be able to choose those when you see your shape library. Hope that helps. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 5/11/06 12:53 PM, "Jamin Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear all - > > I want to create up- and down-bows surrounded by > parentheses. I have figured out how to do this as an > expression, but would prefer to do it as an > articulation (for the sake of uniformity, as well as > just because it makes more sense to me there). Is > there an easy way to do this? > > Thanks - > > (Mr.) Jamin Hoffman > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
If anyone wants to see an up-close version of the A-R editions dashed slur, I made a high res PDF that I'd be happy to send you. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
On 5/10/06 1:05 PM, "dhbailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >> I think you have to retain the parenthetical characters in the font, but >> there are several blank spaces in any standard finale font, so you could put >> the bracketed characters into those and then, add them as expressions I >> suppose? ...okay, yeah, not sure what the best option there is. Do you use >> both in a single score Johannes? >> > > I'd suggest doing that but creating 3 expressions: > [b] > [#] > [nat] > And then apply those as note expressions, and hide any true accidental > you want to place for correct playback. > This would be easier I think than trying to place brackets around > existing accidentals, although I suppose you could create a single > expression of a pair of brackets with a single space between and place > them as a unit. Yeah, that's what I currently do. I have a paired bracket expression that I set. But, I think it'd be easier to just make the entire thing a font character and possibly, as Johannes suggested, make it an articulation. That would probably give more consistent positioning in relation to an individual pitch. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
On 5/10/06 11:08 AM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10 May 2006 at 17:46, dc wrote: > >> David W. Fenton écrit: >>> I've consistently just used parentheses, because in the repertory I'm >>> working in, that is never used in the original sources. >> >> I was assuming Scot meant square brackets, as opposed to the round >> ones. > > I can't recall an edition with square brackets on accidentals that > didn't look terrible (I'm thinking of a particular A-R Edition, in > fact, one that is horridly engraved, in my opinion). > I'm curious which edition in particular you were thinking of. I'd like to go take a look at it. >> It's not because the source doesn't use parentheses that a modern >> edition might not want both (cautionary) accidentals and [editorial] >> accidentals. > > While I'm all for being as clear as possible about editorial > intervention, I don't see that this is the way to go. It seems way > too fussy to me, while using parens for all accidentals not found in > the original (courtesy or editorial doesn't matter -- they are > unambiguously implied in the original, so really, I see them all as > courtesy accidentals) and accidentals above the note for editorial > suggestions seems to me to maintain the same distinction you're > trying to implement with round and square brackets. > > I can't recall very many editions that I've seen that use inline > square brackets for editorial accidental suggestions, and I just > think it's not going to be clear at all. I see no reason to go beyond > the "ficta" practice for editorial suggestions for accidentals. One > reason for that is that putting them inline basically makes them > obligatory, while putting them above means they will likely be > omitted until the performer has studied the score (and decided > whether or not to incorporate the suggested accidental). While I might agree completely with you on the usage of this kind of editorial indication, as a music engraver alone, I don't have the power to change our editorial method. So, unless I am suddenly the managing editor of recent researches, I doubt I'm going to be able to do anything but set square-bracketed accidentals where they tell me to. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
I think you have to retain the parenthetical characters in the font, but there are several blank spaces in any standard finale font, so you could put the bracketed characters into those and then, add them as expressions I suppose? ...okay, yeah, not sure what the best option there is. Do you use both in a single score Johannes? -Scot On 5/10/06 10:58 AM, "dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Johannes Gebauer écrit: >> Perhaps I am now understanding correctly, you mean you want square >> brackets? The easiest way to do this is to use a font editor and either >> change the parenthesized ones into square-bracketed ones, or create extra >> symbols. That's what I did in my own music font (not available). Then just >> change the font mapping for the accidentals. > > The question is how do you get both in the same score, round brackets for > cautionary accidentals, and square brackets for editorial accidentals. > > Dennis > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
Yeah, we built paren characters like that when we initially built our Finale music font. Since we are going to be rebuilding and editing our font again this week or next, I may throw those symbols onto the list to make. Good call. -Scot On 5/10/06 10:46 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10.05.2006 Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >> I'm sure that there's a really easy, built-in way to do this. But for those >> who have experience with this, what method do you use to put editorial >> brackets around your accidentals? >> > > Perhaps I am now understanding correctly, you mean you want square > brackets? The easiest way to do this is to use a font editor and either > change the parenthesized ones into square-bracketed ones, or create > extra symbols. That's what I did in my own music font (not available). > Then just change the font mapping for the accidentals. > > Johannes -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
Sorry, square brackets, [ ], not parens ( ). -Scot On 5/10/06 10:41 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10.05.2006 dc wrote: >> I've never found an easy way, but I'd be happy to hear about one. > > Is pressing P in Speedy still not easy enough? Or am I missing something? > > Johannes -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editorial Accidentals
Well, I'm glad, (sort of..), to hear that you don't know of an easy way either. It confirms to me that this is a pain. What I do is I have made a text expression that is a bracket and sits to the right of the note in roughly the correct position. (I always have to fudge it some). Then I use special tools and move the accidental away from the note to clear the brackets I added and then adjust spacing to provide extra space for the accidental. That, my friends, is a pain. The reason I don't just use parens, ficta, and the like, is that our editorial style is such that we use brackets..so we use them. Not much I can do to control that. -Scot On 5/10/06 10:15 AM, "dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scot Hanna-Weir écrit: >> I'm sure that there's a really easy, built-in way to do this. But for those >> who have experience with this, what method do you use to put editorial >> brackets around your accidentals? > > I've never found an easy way, but I'd be happy to hear about one. > > Dennis > > > > > > > > _______ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Editorial Accidentals
I'm sure that there's a really easy, built-in way to do this. But for those who have experience with this, what method do you use to put editorial brackets around your accidentals? -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Method for having small "alternative" measure above regular measures in score and or in parts.
Title: Re: [Finale] Method for having small "alternative" measure above regular measures in score and or in parts. Kim, There are a couple of ways to do that. One is with the ossia tool, where you make a dummy measure at the end of your piece that contains the source material for your ossia measure, and then link the ossia to that measure. That’s all explained in the manual for using the tool. The other way that you could do it is create an additional staff, only put the music that you want to in the one measure you need it, and then optimize your systems. The rest of the lines will go away and you’ll be left with just one line of extra music. Apply a Hide Staff Staff Style to the measures that don’t include your ossia, and you’d be good to go. As far as extraction goes, I’m not sure about the ossia, but you could ask the part extractor to extract both the real staff and the dummy staff that you made to one part, (you’ll then just have to optimize again in the part). -Scot On 5/10/06 8:44 AM, "Kim Patrick Clow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let's say you have a score. But there are two possible ways of reading some measures and you want to include the alternative one above what you have but in a smaller format. How would you go about doing this? And if you do this to the score, and go to extract parts will this alternative measure get placed correctly on the parts page? And you just want a single measure above what you have, the one with the "alternate" notes, not an entire line. Thank you! Kim -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Line thickness and tight note spacing
I absolutely agree with that proportion. Barlines twice as thick as stafflines. It makes the notes pop out of the page more as well. (And makes it look not so "Finaleish", if you know what I mean). -Scot Hanna-Weir On 5/10/06 2:57 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10.05.2006 D. Keneth Fowler wrote: >> I am looking at a flute part where many measures are filled to capacity with >> 16th or 32d notes. This creates for me a concern in picking up barlines >> easily when the last note of one measure is stem down and the first note of >> the next measure is stem up. Is one answer to make the barlines a bit thicker >> than the staff lines? Can this make any difference in readability? Or is this >> totally a non-issue for professional musicians who are given parts that are >> in all manner of spacing? I realize that one can just increase the note >> spacing. I would like the page breaks to remain as they are. > > My barlines and ledger lines are twice the thickness of staff lines and > stems. It makes everything much more readable in my opinion, and it is > consistent with the larger European publishers. > > I use 2.25 EVPUs and 4.5 EVPUs. > > I never understood why MakeMusic doesn't provide similar values in the > default files. > > Johannes > -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac specific keyboard question
I don't know of an explicit way to do that, but I do know that there are usb numberpads you might find quite to your liking. -Scot On 5/8/06 11:36 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am using an iBook for Finale. When I am on the road I'd like to use > the built in numpad emulation for Speedy. However, when I have Numlock > active the rest of the keyboard is disabled, which is stupid, as none of > the special speedy keys like "H" (to hide notes or rests) work. > > Is there any way to work around this problem, ie to make the rest of the > keyboard functional while in Numlock mode? > > Johannes -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Location of page numbers and how to control them
Click on Right Page Positioning. You'll want to set horizontal positioning to left for the top part and right aligned for the bottom. Make sure that you either have display on all pages selected or a page range entered. Hope that helps. -Scot On 5/8/06 8:04 AM, "Hans Arktoft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With Text Tool choosen, look in Text > Frame Attributes. > > /Hans > > >> How/Where how do you control the placement of page numbers? >> I want pages with their numbers 2, 4, 6, to be on the LEFT SIDE. >> 3, 5, 7, 9 on the RIGHT SIDE> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Kim Patrick Clow > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2005 - spacing of seconds w/Petrucci
This ones a real long shot...(and I'm really sorry you ended up having to special tool it, I've definitely been there). Maybe check your font annotation file for petrucci against the maestro one and see if there is some weird bounding issue with the notehead character. You never know. -Scot On 5/5/06 4:38 PM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm using layers. Maybe V1/V2 would be better, but I could never get > the hang of using voices instead of layers. (I don't even know if > that would be an option for this client, since V1/2 is such a pain to > edit vs. layers.) > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://secretsociety.typepad.com > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 05 May 2006, at 5:28 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > >> On 5 May 2006 at 16:17, Darcy James Argue wrote: >> >>> This is my own file, and spacing is set to clear manual positioning >>> and (obviously) adjust for seconds. This is clearly a Finale problem >>> -- some seconds are offset correctly, but many others aren't. I >>> ended >>> up having to use Special Tools to drag the ones that were offset >>> incorrectly into position. >> >> Since you said it's a keyboard part, does it use voice 2 for some of >> these seconds? I noticed the other day in an older file that I had a >> set of four 8th-note seconds entered with the top note in v. 1 and >> the bottom in v. 2, and only the first of the 8ths spaced properly. >> >> I'm pretty sure that this is something that *used* to work properly. >> Perhaps when layers were made aware of 2nds, they broke the v1/2 >> seconds? >> >> -- >> David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com >> David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ >> >> _______ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure widths ...manually setting them versus letting Finale do it.
Title: Re: [Finale] Measure widths ...manually setting them versus letting Finale do it. System breaks are applied to a measure using the measure tool. (Double clicking for measure attributes). Page breaks are applied to a system using the page layout tool. (From the pull down menu, “insert page break”. On 5/5/06 5:36 AM, "Kim Patrick Clow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I guess you are aware of - page breaks - system breaks Background first: remember how I whenever I unlocked my systems; the measures seem to collapse onto themselves, where the notes are all running into each other? I am still not sure why that happens. But I noticed when I went back to reset the measure width, at a certain point, no matter what number I plugged in, the measures wouldn't do anything. I was pulling my hair out after 90 mins. I found out the reason. The last measure had a system break. It seems like a road block for the measures to be changed until you remove that. I turned that break off, reset my measures just the precise width; and everything worked fine. I am unsure about how to set a page break? Where is that option? Would I use this for a movement break as well as a system break? Thank you. Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On 5/5/06 3:25 AM, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04.05.2006 Éric Dussault wrote: >> Le 06-05-04 à 09:19, Christopher Smith a écrit : >> >>> What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? >> >> Christopher, Finale's slur is not tapered like a real slur. It's only a >> curved line. It simply doesn't look professional. > > That's debatable. None of the editions I see in front of me use tapered > dashed slurs. Those which use dashed slurs use the same kind that Finale > produces. Doblinger, Schott to name just two. > > Johannes This is true of our editions as well. All of our dashed lines are fixed width throughout. My main beef is the positioning and contour when trying to approximate a tie. With the thickness and dashing options, I can deal with the dashed slurs. (Though, the default dashing in finale, imo, is pretty clunky, so I've definitely changed that). -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2005 - spacing of seconds w/Petrucci
Darcy, Is it a client file that you are performing edits on? I've often found when working with files provided by another source that a lot of people drag all kinds of crap around without thinking about the implications. Does setting the "clear" manual positioning in music spacing document options change anything, as well as making sure that avoid collisions of seconds is checked? Maybe you could submit a screen shot so we could see what you are talking about. I didn't find any document options that would really apply to note offsets when I looked again. (Could always be an '05 thing). -Scot On 5/4/06 9:31 PM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For reasons beyond my control, I'm working on a project in Fin2005b > with Petrucci as the default font. It's a piano reduction, so proper > spacing of seconds would be nice, but for some reason the horizontal > displacement is off. Is this a Petrucci vs. Maestro issue? Is there > somewhere I can adjust the default amount of displacement when > spacing seconds? > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://secretsociety.typepad.com > Brooklyn, NY > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
On 5/4/06 7:27 PM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 4, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: >> >> Remember that 'document' does not necessarily mean 'composition'. Some >> of these tweaks are related to wanting to put together numerous >> 'examples' as part of a worksheet or handout, without having to export >> the graphics and import them into another application (a sure >> indication >> that Finale's limits have been reached!) >> >> Seriously, thoughI've dealt with music where one section was >> new-complexity-style notation, with lots of beams, in which long stems >> for crotchets is essential for them to be seen, contrasted with >> aleatoric sections where normal stem lengths would have been suitable. >> >> > > > Yes, I've come across things like this too, like wanting beams across > rests with half-stemlets only for a certain section of a piece, only to > be stymied. > > At least longer stems CAN be done for a section, albeit manually. > Thicker is, of course, a kludge. > > It might be nice to have more options available as staff styles. > > Christopher > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale You saying that about staff styles reminded me of how many times I've wished that the "select partial measures" option would let you actually apply something to just that part of the measure. There are so many things, (staff styles, measure attributes, plugins), that only work on a full measure, where it would be nice if you could easily implement it over a beat or two. Eh, more dreaming. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On 5/4/06 8:19 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 4, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >> >> What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about >> making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish >> it were >> easier). >> > > I understand about the dashed hairpins (two dashed Smart Lines would be > an enormous pain to align, especially if there were a whole bunch of > them) but once again, I'm having trouble getting my brain around dashed > ties. What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? How would you > like that implemented that would be easier? > > Christopher My reason for wanting dashed ties is that they are implemented differently from slurs in finale. Contours, thicknesses and positioning can all be defined differently for ties than for slurs, and especially in terms of positioning and contour, our ties are different from our slurs, and so any time I enter a dashed tie as a slur, I have to manually redraw and reposition that entry. I do that, and it's okay, but it'd be nice if in the advanced tools I could just check a box. Obviously, this is just a dream feature, as I'm sure most people would have very little use for it. Blame our editorial style if you must. =) -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On 5/3/06 5:33 PM, "Chuck Israels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> >> Amen. And while we're at it, how about swell and reverse-swell >> hairpins? >> > > If you really need these, Bill Duncan has a smart shape "hairpin" > font that does exactly this. > > And sure, I'd like to see this and other add-ons included in Finale. > What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish it were easier). -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wishlist
On 5/3/06 3:26 PM, "dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - the possibility to merge several files into one without losing anything. I'd love to see this in the way of a master document / subdocument form so that you could set document options for each individual file, (and retain them as you import them into a master document), but also could have control over page flow, recto verso, etc... That'd be an AMAZING improvement. I'd further add, as I've told MM, that I'd like to see a spreadsheet style adjust baselines dialogue in the Lyric tool, with the option to clear ALL values, including system by system values. It'd also be nice, in terms of that specifically, if you could easily see system numbers while in ANY tool, (as you often need to know these to perform a specific edit). I think a lot of their dialogues could be improved if they made use of a spreadsheet display instead of the Prev, Next buttons. My half-dollar's worth. -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale: Sharp and crisp PDFs.
Title: Re: [Finale] Finale: Sharp and crisp PDFs. Have you checked to see if adding a page size to the pagesizes.txt file has any bearing on that drop down? My guess is that is not going to change anything, but it’s probably worth a shot. You can learn more about pagesizes.txt in the appendix of the manual. As I said, probably won’t work, but it might be worth a try. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/27/06 3:06 PM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 05:51 PM 4/26/06 +0200, Barbara Touburg wrote: >> Dennis, you take the words right out of my mouth! I was ready to cheer, >> but no, alas.. >> I'll try the graphics tool. > > Q&A with Customer Support. "How it has always been." > > > > Submission Date: 4/26/2006 12:38:44 PM (Central Standard Time) > Submitter: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz > > Hi, Finale 2006c. Compile Poscript finally works properly in Finale 2006, > which I just learned from the Finale listserv. Thank you. > > However, all my scores are done in a folio format of 9.25437 x 12.16667. > The droplist does not include a "custom" page size, and entering the > figures into the height/width boxes has no effect of customizing the > compilation. It defaults to whatever size is selected on the droplist (it > works with all the sizes on the droplist). > > Everything is correctly pre-set in the page size and printer settings (the > latter set to the special size saved in my Postscript driver profile). > > This looks like a bug, and now that Compile Postscript finally works (I've > been waiting since Finale 2.1!) and produces nice, legible and compact > files, I'd like it to work on the size paper I use! > > (By the way, the EPS function from the graphics menu *does* respect the size.) > > Many thanks, > Dennis > > > > Submission Date: 4/27/2006 2:04:05 PM (Central Standard Time) > Submitter: Customer Support Agent > > There is not a custom option in the Compile PostScript Listing dialog box. > It will only save using the page sizes available in the dropdown. This is > actually how it has always been and is not new to Finale 2006. > > You may have to export the document as EPS and then convert to PS using a > third-party program. I believe that there are several free converters > online that you could use. Just search for "EPS to PS". > > I will also submit a feature request that you would like to have the > ability to select a custom page size in future versions. > > Sincerely, > Ryan > Senior Customer Support Representative > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BC font
Title: Re: [Finale] BC font This is on a mac with 2006a: That reminds me of a problem we’ve had just recently in postscript output. The null space in our times font will print correctly from the application file but when we take it to postscript and distill, there is no longer a null space there. Further more, null spaces in other fonts display on screen in the pdf as a open character box. However, when you substitute something like palatino for the null space, it will print fine from either program. It’s a very quirky little problem and caused some distress with the hymnal I was working on. (lot’s of null spaces). Any one else ran into something like this. If I wasn’t clear, I can try to clarify. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/23/06 4:15 PM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:41 PM 4/23/06 +0200, dc wrote: >> People used to say the same thing about Score. What is it that looked so >> good and that can't be done in Finale (besides the font issues)? >> Are there any of these amazing samples to be seen anywhere? > > You'll also notice how beautiful the display is for such small PDF files. > If only Finale could clean up its Postscript display mess! > > Dennis > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multimovement pieces, one file or several? Options or disadvantages?
Title: Re: [Finale] Multimovement pieces, one file or several? Options or disadvantages? One other way that I’ve done the redisplay of full voice names, (which really is a pain and there should absolutely be an easier way to deal with this), is instead of creating a staff style for each instrument, just creating one staff style that deselects show staff name. Then I create expressions that place the full voice name exactly where I want it in relation to the staff. Then all I have to do is duplicate that text _expression_ a lot and retype the instrument name for each instrument. I find you can generally even use the same positioning numbers that you probably defined when you set your voice name positioning in the first place from within the _expression_ positioning options. It’s definitely not a great solution, but I find it a little easier than having all those staff styles floating around. Either way, you’ve got a lot of something floating around that you really shouldn’t have to do. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/20/06 9:20 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far, the comments on this thread have glossed over one of the annoyances of > combining movements into a single file: abbreviated staff names. For a large > instrumentation it is *really* annoying. > > To get full instrument names at the beginning of movements after the first, > you have to override each instrument name with a staff style whose > "abbreviated" staff name is actually the full staff name. For a large > instrumentation this is a true pain in the patootie. > > Even so, I think combining is the way to go, but I recommend complaining to MM > about the lack of a way to turn Full Names back on for a particular bar. I > have a feeling that now might be a really good time to send this complaint, > too. > > Another step I haven't noticed mentioned is the need to set "Hide Cautionary > Keys and Clefs" in the last bar of each movement. This setting has a small > glitch (at least as of Fin05) that if the extracted part ends on a multimeas > rest, you have to set the bit on the first bar of the multimeas rest. When I > reported this problem to MM, I was astounded to be told that this was how it > ought to work. One reason I've quit reporting bugs to them. > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multimovement pieces, one file or several? Options or disadvantages?
Title: Re: [Finale] Multimovement pieces, one file or several? Options or disadvantages? If your instrumentation is consistent: 1 - Save your first file as a different name, like combined_blah_blah_blah.mus 2 - Add a measure at the end of your file. 3 - Open movement two, select all with mass edit and copy. 4 - Insert this into the added measure at the end of the piece. 5 - Do the same for the third movement. Then follow David’s steps -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/20/06 8:03 AM, "Kim Patrick Clow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I already have three separate documents...any suggestions on how to blend them back into one? Thanks so much. On 4/20/06, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > I am working on a Sinfonia that has short movements (first movement is > 80 bars, 2nd movement 50, etc). So this > isn't anything big like a Bruckner Symphony. > > I have a hunch, that there are advantages for the one file rout. For > example, for purposes of creating a booklet, it'd be much easier to > make this just ONE file. Using the FinaleScript would be difficult to > figure out on three separate documents. But I have trouble doing > this:typically when I go to extract parts, I end up with the first > movement measure and the beginning of the 2nd movement side by side. > There isn't any spacing like you see in the score. And the movement > tempo/headers are just put on the page. > > Could someone please explain a good technique (step by step) for > creating a multimovement piece as a single Finale document so the > parts extract correctly? I'd be so appreciative. > > Where do you find the booklet creation script also? I use Finale 2005b. > Would using Acrobat to "stich" multiple separate movements/documents be > an option versus using FinaleScript booklet ? > This assumes that the instrumentation remains constant between all 3 movements. 1) enter the music for the first movement, (complete with key changes, meter changes, etc). 2) enter the music for the second movement, (complete with key changes, meter changes, etc). 3) enter the music for the third movement (complete with key changes, meter changes, etc). 4) use the measure tool, click on the first measure of the 2nd movement, and check the box for Start New System, and then also set Time Signature and Key Signature to Always Show. 5) repeat step 4 for the first measure of the 3rd movement. 6) define your measure number ranges such that the first range covers the first movement, the second range covers the second movement with the first measure defined to be 1, same for the third movement. This assumes that you don't need additional measure number ranges within each movement to account for 1st/2nd endings, partial measures, whatever. It's really easy. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics placed correctly but unattached
Title: Re: [Finale] Lyrics placed correctly but unattached Actually, also just set it to blank notation under alternate styles and you won't have to get rid of your noteheads after all. Just checked that out! -Scot Hanna-Weir -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics placed correctly but unattached
Title: Re: [Finale] Lyrics placed correctly but unattached What if you enter the music, all the way through. Then for the verses after the first, create a staff style that is a 0-line staff and shows nothing in the options. Then, go into speedy or simple edit and hide the note heads. When I tried just applying a hide staff style, it did make the lyrics disappear as well. I think this option will work, and if you are in speedy, you can just hit H and right arrow over and over again. It’s not super elegant, but I think it’ll make it work for you. Plus, if the music has to come back, you can just unhide. There might even be an easier way to hide all the notes. I just didn’t check into that. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/19/06 3:08 PM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been given a score for voice & guitar. The guitar sometimes is on > one staff, sometimes two. That's not a problem. I can optimize it away. > > The voice is the issue. Only the first verse is to be written out with > music. The rest are to be words only. The composer wants the words to be in > place as if there were a staff there, but without a staff. In other words, > the lyrics have to be above the guitar, in the vocal rhythm. > > Is there a good way to do this? Enter them on the page as text? All 4 > layers are used in the guitar part, so there's nothing to attach to on the > lower staff. If I create a single-line staff for that part, but hide > everything with a staff style, will lyrics go away (I haven't tried that yet)? > > I'm looking for a way to keep the lyrics usable in case he changes his mind > later and wants the music with the lyrics. (I know, I know...) > > Advice welcome! > > Dennis > > > -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Figured bass and the lyric tool: what's ok (from an engraving point of view)
Title: Re: [Finale] Figured bass and the lyric tool: what's ok (from an engraving point of view) On 4/18/06 9:32 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fourth arrow affects the NEXT syllable you type, which makes it all > but useless. I never touch it. Does anyone ever use this? I’ve never found a need for it either, since I’m generally not moving lyrics around until I have my layout set the way I want it. On another note, I’m sure you are all familiar with the adjust baselines dialogue. Don’t you wish that there was a more intuitive way to edit the information there? I wish you could see the adjusted baselines in a spreadsheet like format rather than having to use the next and prev buttons. I wrote makemusic about it at least, but it sure would be nice if there were at least a way to clear all entered values. (I know the reset to defaults, but that doesn’t clear out system by system changes). -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Doc Opts revised slur settings
Title: Re: [Finale] Doc Opts revised slur settings Thanks! I tried these out some and they seem pretty nice in comparison to the default values. One of the big challenges that I face here at A-R is attempting to make Finale look like MusE, (our proprietary software). One of the things I find myself doing often is adjusting slurs at system breaks to give them more height and clarity, showing they are slurs, not ties. These numbers might be extreme in some cases, but then again, maybe not: In Smart Slur Options: Slur System Breaks: Avoid Staff Lines by 24 (a big increase from the previous 8) System Start Adjustment -12 System End Adjustment 0 The start and end are horizontal distance from the right system margin for system end and from the start of music for system start. (or at least that’s how it appears). Adding a negative value to system start adjustment moves the beginning of that slur to the left. Careful it doesn’t but into your clefs if they are a little bigger/wider. I’m curious if someone can enlighten me as to what exactly the initial adjustment options are talking about when we say stretch and lift? I read the manual page and was still left wondering a little. -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forgive me for not re-quoting the entire set of options: On 4/11/06 10:21 PM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Revised settings, thanks again to Darcy. Just ignore the last message. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Doc Opts
We still use MusE which is our proprietary software, but we have been doing some outside client work, and those clients increasingly demand Finale files at the end of the process. Also, we tend to use Finale for Lute Tab just because it gives us more flexibility in terms of the fonts that we can use for various elements. In any event, most of our work is still done in MusE, unless it's done by me, which often means Finale. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/12/06 6:58 AM, "dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Scot, > >>I was wondering if anyone had some favorite doc opts numbers/settings >> that they've changed from factory defaults that they are really crazy >> about? I figure a lot of you have probably spent some time developing a >> custom look and was wondering what all went into that for you. I >> understand if for proprietary reasons you can't share, so then what kind >> of things did you change and why? Just thought it might be interesting to >> hear from the community about this. >> >> -- >> Scot Hanna-Weir >> Music Engraver >> A-R Editions, Inc. > > A-R Editions used to have their own engraving software and their own music > fonts. Have they officially switched to Finale? > > Dennis > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Doc Opts
Title: [Finale] Doc Opts Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had some favorite doc opts numbers/settings that they’ve changed from factory defaults that they are really crazy about? I figure a lot of you have probably spent some time developing a custom look and was wondering what all went into that for you. I understand if for proprietary reasons you can’t share, so then what kind of things did you change and why? Just thought it might be interesting to hear from the community about this. -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Gershwin Tomayto/tomahto (was: music literacy)
Well, in defense of Google and Urban legends, it's not exactly the most fascinating of Urban Legends. I'd say if it doesn't involve someone getting seriously hurt, or if it couldn't appear on Mythbusters. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/10/06 10:58 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have the sheet music? If the printed lyrics show no > difference in spelling, I could at least conceive that it might be true. > If the lyrics spell out the pronunciation, then I would place it firmly > as an urban legend. > > Interestingly, it does not show up on an urban legend Google search. > Most common urban legends turn up easily on Google. > > John Bell wrote: > >> I might believe you if it was you who was judging the competition. As >> it is my dollar goes on Darcy. I certainly heard the story long ago. >> >> John >> >> On 10 Apr 2006, at 10:38 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >> >> >>> I'd believe you if it wasn't told to me by my friend who was judging the >>> competition. Sad, but true. >>> >>> -Scot Hanna-Weir >>> >>> >>> On 4/10/06 9:35 AM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I will bet you a dollar this story is just an urban legend. >>>> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music literacy
I'd believe you if it wasn't told to me by my friend who was judging the competition. Sad, but true. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/10/06 9:35 AM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will bet you a dollar this story is just an urban legend. > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://secretsociety.typepad.com > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 10 Apr 2006, at 9:47 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: > >> To sadly counter that argument, I submit the girl who sang at an >> all-state >> solo/ensemble competition, Let's call the whole thing off. She sang it >> thusly: >> >>You say to-may-toh and I say to-may-toh >>You say poh-tay-toh and I say poh-tay-toh. >>To-may-toh, to-may-toh, poh-tay-toh, poh-tay-toh, >>Let's call the whole thing off... >> >> Etc... >> >> Maybe we could say good performers wouldn't perform without being >> aware. >> >> -Scot Hanna-Weir > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music literacy
To sadly counter that argument, I submit the girl who sang at an all-state solo/ensemble competition, Let's call the whole thing off. She sang it thusly: You say to-may-toh and I say to-may-toh You say poh-tay-toh and I say poh-tay-toh. To-may-toh, to-may-toh, poh-tay-toh, poh-tay-toh, Let's call the whole thing off... Etc... Maybe we could say good performers wouldn't perform without being aware. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/7/06 8:43 PM, "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 12:38 PM -0400 4/7/06, Phil Daley wrote: >> At 4/7/2006 11:33 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >> >>> Indeed he could not. Having him speak the lyrics in rhythm was a >>> desperate kludge that turned out to be perfect for the character. Each >>> of the songs does in fact have a clear melody that you can hear in the >>> orchestra; the combination of this w. Harrison's spoken delivery >>> results in a combined effect very close to what one would experience if >>> he had actually been singing. >> >> My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors >> Higgins, such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, >> could have replicated that part? > > Of course. Couldn't you? X-noteheads have been used to represent > relative pitch in speech for rather a long time. But I submit that > there is no such person as a performer unaware of previous > performances. Only a fool would audition for the King unaware of Yul > Bryner, or Prof. Higgins unaware of Rex Harrison. After all, they > created the roles! If you have to invoke a fantasy world I'm afraid > you're on shaky ground. > > Robert Preston, on the other hand, really could sing quite decently > if not operatically, and his speech-song was part of his character in > "Music Man." > > John > -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music literacy
I think you are giving music notation way more credit than it deserves. I'm probably saying this on the wrong board, but it'd really, as others said, be a shame to have such a constraining definition of what music is. So much 20th century music that is very much music almost defies notation. I'm not sure you'd be happy to exclude music that is difficult to fairly reproduce with other performers based on notation. Seems a little over the top. -Scot Hanna-Weir On 4/7/06 12:30 PM, "Phil Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speeches and poems are performance art, they are NOT music. And, I cannot > imagine that you were able to notate them as exactly reproducible with > pitches. > > My point has been, all along, that, if you cannot notate a part to be > fairly reproducible with other performers, it is NOT music. > > It is all some kind of performance art. > > And rap perfectly fits that description. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music literacy
Well, whereas rap is music, music is not necessarily notated. So, to answer your question...er, not me. (though I actually have, that's the funny part). -Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4/7/06 11:38 AM, "Phil Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 4/7/2006 11:33 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: > >> On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Peter Taylor wrote: >> >>> Whenever the "speaking" of songs instead of singing them is the topic, >>> I'm always reminded of Rex Harrison as Professor Higgins in the London >>> stage production of My Fair Lady. He had a wonderful speaking voice, >>> but you get the definite impression he couldn't sing a note. >>> >> >> Indeed he could not. Having him speak the lyrics in rhythm was a >> desperate kludge that turned out to be perfect for the character. Each >> of the songs does in fact have a clear melody that you can hear in the >> orchestra; the combination of this w. Harrison's spoken delivery >> results in a combined effect very close to what one would experience if >> he had actually been singing. > > My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins, such > that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have replicated > that part? > > And, here is a question for notaters in general: > > If rap is music. How many of you would be interested in notating it? > > Phil Daley < AutoDesk > > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac
Another nice thing to note about Mac OS X however, is that it is a unix based OS, which means that a LOT of Unix utilities will run through the terminal, especially for file management/conversion functions. Perl comes installed standard to the Darwin Kernel on OS X and so you also have all of the free utilities built in Perl, and open source, (as that's how Perl works), completely available to you. Granted, nothing that runs in a Unix terminal is as pretty as it could be...but for old DOS lovers like myself, it's kind of nostalgic. --- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4/6/06 10:32 AM, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6 Apr 2006 at 10:50, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > >> David W. Fenton / 2006/04/06 / 08:20 AM wrote: >> >>> as Partition Magic and other partitioning products have >>> been able to do nondestructive repartioning of active volumes for >>> over a decade (that's how long I've been using it, since 1996). >> >> Which isn't possible (at least not reliable thing to do) on Mac file >> system. I don't want to sound negative but non-Mac file systems are >> much more loose, and Mac users, at least I, have been envy about that. >> On the other hand, Mac file system made multiple boot from any volume >> possible. > > I was just sure that Partition Magic had a Mac version. I also know > for a fact that the professional version used to support Linux, but > since they've been bought by Symantec (ARGH!!!), they seem to have > made it a Windows-only product. Since it seems that they've > eliminated the Linux support, I wonder if that implies that my memory > of the Mac support was correct? > > Then again, Linux support only requires the ability to read/write the > volume, not the capability to run on Linux (since it reboots its own > OS, rather than rebooting in the installed OS). From Googling, I > can't see any evidence that Partition Magic can work with Mac > volumes. > > That's too bad -- it's such a great thing to be able to do. I'm > constantly resizing partitions on existing drives for myself and for > clients. It's something I've come to consider as standard practice. > > Of course, once Windows is on a dual-boot MacIntel, I wonder if > Partition Magic can then work from WinXP? While Googling I definitely > saw instructions for using Partition Magic in Windows to resize > partitions for installing Darwin on Intel hardware (this predates the > MacIntel). But that was also allocating a partition to install OS X > on, rather than dynamically resizing after the OS X installation. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
