Re: [ilugd] [Ilugc] Off-topic: Bitcoin's Potential for Social Change
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Supreet Sethi supreet.se...@gmail.comwrote: Bitcoin is evil. Comparison to FOSS movement is ill thought out. Although there is political channelling of thought which is common between the two, the actual implementation is bitcoin is marred by several questions. To start with: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? I know RMS and Linus, I can talk to them (although they may not want to talk to me, which is besides the point). So Bitcoin is designed by entity with unknown affiliation (this is critical although it may not look at outset) The bitcoin protocol and clients are free and open, so how does it matter who initially invented them? Secondly: When bitcoin infrastructure was started Satoshi or some (one/people) pretending to be Satoshi, he started mining coins himself. At the time, the yield was much better than it is now. Which means Satoshi may have millions of coins which leads to asymmetry of money. This is a valid concern, however I don't think of it as that big of a problem. Early adopters need to get rewarded, otherwise a new and disruptive currency will never gain traction. Thirdly: Most transactions in bitcoin are connected to Mt. Gox someway or the other. Which is about 90% of transactions or more. For a transaction to be truly decentralized transactions should be routed through multiple gateways. Somehow none other exists. It would like you can develop code in opensource but it can only be hosted at github. The reliance on MtGox is only a temporary concern, as new Exchanges are bound to come up. If you don't like MtGox, don't use it. You definitely don't need to use it unless you plan to day trade. There are several critical issues with bitcoin which hopefully other online currencies will address. What other currencies do you think are more promising? -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Codeweavers is giving away free copies of Crossover for 24 hours
Get it here - http://flock.codeweavers.com/ -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] A Gnome Text Editor Joke
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 19 Sep 2012, Anupam Jain wrote: Gedit? Remind me to murder you the next time we meet. Must... stop... these... atrocities... Really? I thought the joke was notepad at all.. Awk-ward... Seriously though, I kate your point. Vi are above these childish puns. Trust me if you are annoyed, emacs two of us. Enough sed. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Generic Web based UI
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Varun Mittal varunmitta...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I have an idea of implementing a generic web based UI which will harness the power of HTML5 and the new web technologies. I am trying to develop an API which will enable app developers to make simple applications that will inherently be cloud ready and share data amongst themselves. This application framework will run in some kind of sandboxes which will migrate over a cluster of computers and pool the resources of all computers in the cluster. I have prepared a presentation. Lets meet sometime and form a team. I am in Delhi from 7th of September to 13th. We can have a detailed discussion after the presentation. Most of the companies are trying to replicate Google app engine. Maybe we can create the definition of cloud and integrate them with the cloud. Please let me know the suitable time and place for the meet. I think coming weekend will be the best and we can meet at JNU campus. Looking forward to active participation. I am sorry for sending this invite on a short notice. That is very interesting. I've been researching programming support for non programmers for a while now. It would have been good to meet others interested in the same area, however I'm unavailable around the planned date of the next LUG meet, and most of Sept in fact. Perhaps we can exchange ideas online? -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [OT] Shared geek office space in Delhi
This is slightly off topic but I figured there are lots of smart people are on this list who might be interested. I'm going to be working on a personal software project for a while and plan to lease a small office space. However, since I would hardly be making full use of the space by myself, I'd like to invite others who might be interested in sharing that space for coworking on your own projects. Please contact me offline at my email id. Thanks, Anupam Jain ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] ISPunity: featured in efytimes.com
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2012 10:33 AM, Shiv wrote: - Original Message - From: Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [ilugd] ISPunity: featured in efytimes.com ISPunity can be used by individuals or SME or Enterprises. Good job indeed, though a dependency on ruby seems to be an overkill to me; IMHO, all system level or command line tools, scripts and, or utilities should be light weight, whereas your ISPUnity thing is far from K.I.S.S. and, or Unix philosophy. BTW, did not you bother to look at what's already available on the Internet? I'm sure there are many such apps/distros/solutions available. We've been using m0n0wall and pfSense (both freeBSD based) for a long time now and Vyatta more recently. It would be a shame to belittle Arun's efforts by suggesting that he is re-inventing� the wheel. Yes, he is re-inventing the wheel; you confirmed it and that too using wrong or bloated interpreter and dependencies. That is rather silly. Would you care to explain your logic there? From the face of your arguments, any seemingly small task, if accomplished by a Ruby script, is bloatware? Then I have committed that mistake many times. Or is it the presence a test suite, a project folder structure, usage of standard build infrastructure like Rake etc. that offends you? Much of it is automated in Ruby land, and even if it were not, you should be thankful that someone took out the time to do all that for an open source project. You may be content in the land of shell scripts and C binaries, and may even be real programmer enough to not need any supporting infrastructure, however Ruby is one of the best languages around, suitable for any task regardless of its size. Just because you don't like it, doesn't give you leeway to belittle people who do. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] MySql Bug
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Rakesh Kumar kumar3...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am facing a problem in MySql that even if i set 'NOT NULL' constraint while creating a table, mysql allows null values in the database. Is it true with every mysql distribution or is an error in my server? I have searched on internet and found that many people have reported this thing as a bug. Can somebody suggest me something fruitful? Perhaps this list (http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html) of mysql gotchas will help. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Any haskell programmers around?
Hi all, I was wondering if any haskell programmers frequent this joint? Perhaps it would be a good idea to organise a meetup. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Sony Vaio overheats with Ubuntu Linux Oneiric Ocelot
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Vivek Kapoor subs...@exain.com wrote: On 10/18/2011 11:55 AM, Anupam Jain wrote: Hi all, I recently bought a Sony Vaio (VPCSB16FG) laptop which I converted today to a dual boot setup by installing Ubuntu Oneiric. However, when booted into Linux, the laptop overheats and the fan noise becomes unbearable, so much so that I had to shutdown the machine to prevent any potential damage to the hardware. On logging out to the user selection screen, the fan slows down but it is still audible. Using Unity 2D instead of 3D seems to help a little bit though I am yet to extensively test that. Haven't used Sony Laptops. While setting up on a Lenovo, following is what I encountered (I'm not using it myself, neither tested it) http://www.webupd8.org/2011/**10/things-to-tweak-after-** installing-ubuntu.htmlhttp://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html It's a post which mentions about Jupiter under the Longer battery life section. It also has a further link http://www.webupd8.org/2011/**06/linux-kernel-power-issue-**fix.htmlhttp://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/linux-kernel-power-issue-fix.html Thanks for the link, it was very informative. I did try Jupiter, but it didn't help much. I finally gave up on trying to fix this issue. The laptop was meant for my wife and she rarely (read never) boots into Linux so it's not much of a loss. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Sony Vaio overheats with Ubuntu Linux Oneiric Ocelot
Hi all, I recently bought a Sony Vaio (VPCSB16FG) laptop which I converted today to a dual boot setup by installing Ubuntu Oneiric. However, when booted into Linux, the laptop overheats and the fan noise becomes unbearable, so much so that I had to shutdown the machine to prevent any potential damage to the hardware. On logging out to the user selection screen, the fan slows down but it is still audible. Using Unity 2D instead of 3D seems to help a little bit though I am yet to extensively test that. The Windows 7 that came with the laptop has been running absolutely fine for the past few days, so this does not seem to be a hardware defect. My two year old Dell Vostro running Ubuntu Natty also has absymal battery performance (30 minutes after a full charge) so could it be that Linux is really inferior to Windows when it comes to power management? The Vaio is my first machine in many years where I did not immediately replace Windows with a Linux distro and have been able to directly compare the power management of the two. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [ANNOUNCE] Android-India mailing list
2011/9/1 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org snip Time to root the phone and uninstall the cr*p, I guess. Do let the android list know how that goes! -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Humble Indie Bundle 3
Just an FYI for all the Linux gamers out there who might otherwise miss this. The Humble Indie Bundle 3 http://www.humblebundle.com/ is currently ongoing! You can pay *whatever you want* for 5 (now 6?) great games + some freebies. Now the games are not quite FOSS but allowing the customer to set the price is still a bit more aligned with spirit of foss than other properietary software. I missed Humble bundle 2 and have been regretting it. I really wanted to try out Braid ever since it became a part of the Ubuntu software center. -- AJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] What happens in BASH when you do Ctrl-C (hint, it's not simply sending a SIGINT)
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: Sharad Birmiwal said on Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:00:20AM -0400,: The reason is because apt-get invokes a program called http to download packages. Here is what I tried. While I do find the thread interesting, and commend your efforts, I suspect this statement. There is no program called `http' on a GNU/Linux system. Umm.. From my Ubuntu 11.04 system - [~] ➔ file /usr/lib/apt/methods/http /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] What happens in BASH when you do Ctrl-C (hint, it's not simply sending a SIGINT)
Hi all, I originally posted this question on stackoverflowhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/6624622/what-happens-in-bash-when-you-do-ctrl-c-hint-its-not-simply-sending-a-sigint, but did not receive a satisfactory response. Any ideas? --8- A little background first - When I do apt-get install downloads from my company internet it provides a high burst of speed (400-500KB/s) for the first 10 seconds or so before dropping down to a tenth of that (40-50KB/s), and then after a few minutes to a truly miserable (4-5KB/s). This makes me think that the sysadmin has implemented some sort of a network throttling scheme. Now I know that the network is not simply erratic, because if I start an apt-get install foo, Ctrl-C it after 10 seconds and immediately run apt-get install foo again (by doing an up arrow and enter to use bash history), and then *keep repeating this process for a few minutes till all packages are downloaded*, I can download even large packages very fast. In particular, even after aborting a download with Ctrl-C, apt-get seems to be able to resume the download in the next invocation. Of course, staring at the screen doing Ctrl-C Up Enter every 10 seconds gets really boring real fast, so I wrote a shell script - #!/bin/sh for i in `seq 1 100` ; do sudo apt-get install foo -y sleep 10 sudo kill -2 $! done This seems to work. It spawns apt-get, runs it for 10 seconds and then kills (by sending a SIGINT) it and starts it up again. However, it doesn't really work because now apt-get does not resume downloads on subsequent invocations! An an experiment I ran sudo apt-get install foo from one terminal and then ran kill -2 PID of apt-get from another terminal. And even in that case, when I restart apt-get, it does not resume the download. So clearly a Ctrl-C is *not* equivalent to SIGINT. And something else is happening when I do Ctrl-C manually which gives apt-get a chance to save the state of the download. The question is - what is it? These are the suggestions I have received so far, but no cigars. The mystery deepens! - 1. On sudo kill -2 $! the signal might be going to sudo instead of apt-get. This is not the reason because as mentioned above I also tried sending SIGINT specifically to apt-get's PID and even that prevented apt-get from saving its state. 2. Sudo catches the signal and sends some other signal to apt-get. I tried sending apt-get all the signals I can think of! It still does not resume the download for any of them. It only resumes downloads when I do Ctrl-C to kill it. 3. Apt-get handles SIGINT differently if it is from a script instead of an interactive shell. Again, the experiment above proves that this is not true. --8- Thanks, Anupam Jain ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] What happens in BASH when you do Ctrl-C (hint, it's not simply sending a SIGINT)
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Ankit Chaturvedi ankit.chaturv...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I originally posted this question on stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6624622/what-happens-in-bash-when-you-do-ctrl-c-hint-its-not-simply-sending-a-sigint , but did not receive a satisfactory response. Any ideas? snip Heard of signal handlers? SIGINT (Ctrl-C) is trapped by libdpkg, which then performs cleanup and saves index state before exiting. apt-get is only a frontend for dpkg. You are misunderstanding the question. I know that something (I guess dpkg) catches the signal and then saves state. The question is why the same thing would not happen when I send SIGINT manually. The problem I am trying to solve is as follows - I would like to interrupt the apt-get install process *from a script* and then have it resume again. I assumed that sending a SIGINT would be exactly the same as a Ctrl-C. Apparently it's not. Why? -- AJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OffTopic] Preview of the new website
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Shamail sham...@inbox.com wrote: On 07/06/11 1:47 PM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote: On Tuesday 07 Jun 2011, Shamail wrote: I've been working on a project from some time, http://tunesdiary.com Its now open for preview, please have a look at it and tell me the goods and the bads. Hope you like my work. Does this have anything to do with FOSS, even tangentially? Might be, site uses Django, python, jquery and more OSS libraries, runs on ubuntu server... (atleast powered by OSS) My apologies if you thought it was for marketing reasons.. Its not yet released even. How about making this atleast marginally FOSS related by telling us something about the technical details of the implementation, so that it will help others using FOSS for web development. What are the FOSS components you are using and why? Where is the site hosted, what are the memory / processor requirements, and would you recommend that host? How many people in your team? How much development time? What's the business model here? Anything else you might think is relevant :) -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Linux in your browser
From slashdothttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browsertoday: *Fabrice Bellard http://bellard.org/, the initiator of the QEMUhttp://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page emulator, wrote a PC emulator in JavaScript. You can now boot Linuxhttp://bellard.org/jslinux/ in your browser, provided it is recent enough (Firefox 4 and Google Chrome 11 are reported to work).* -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] An interesting read - The great Microsoft blunder
Clicking through the links of some of the blogs I read, I found myself on this (old) page - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1952997,00.asp, it cracked me up so I thought some others on this list may be interested. It's an interesting perspective on the cost of IE's ineptness to MS. Come to think about it, if a version of Windows were sans IE, I would feel so much more at peace using it. As someone who has worked on Web Development projects that need to support all mainstream browsers, I can almost feel the permanent IE induced knot in the back of my throat melting away just thinking about this hypothetical scenario. Seriously. Favourite Quote - But Microsoft buys the fear. It must have some of the lowest corporate self-esteem for any dominant company in the history of modern business. The company is like the panicky old woman wondering how she lost a penny in her purse while giving exact change in the express line at the grocery store. Hey lady, you are holding things up! -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:12464] What competition can do !!!
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:38 AM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 05:10 +0530, A. Mani wrote: See http://lwn.net/Articles/430098/ It is a GPL violation. it is not The main argument would be The GPL says quite plainly: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. Whether combining lots of patches into one large patch constitutes a change in form would be an argument for the lawyers if this ever goes to court, which I very much doubt. In my opinion, however, the case is pretty clear -- you simply do not modify that large a patch file. Therefore it's not a preferred form. Therefore Red Hat is, ideally if not materially, in breach of the GPL. In my opinion, preferred form simply refers to the source code not automatically generated or obfuscated. It does not mean that the creator must make it as easy as they possibly can to create derived works. So, from my perhaps-not-sufficiently-informed viewpoint, what Red Hat is doing seems well within the boundaries of the GPL. Not being given access to internal VCS information is in the same league as not being given access to the internal defect tracker information. Infact if Red Hat had been doing that it is doing now from the very start then no one would have even batted an eyelid. Freedom being taken away is much worse than not having it in the first place. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Dharna against Dreamspark
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Narendra Sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: You may be correct in your context. But we have started our discussion for school and college education which must be delivered in via FOSS tools. This is an interesting discussion. I think Dreamspark evokes such a strong negative reaction from FOSS folks because - 1. It involves students (apparently, easily influenced). 2. It involves Micro$oft (the DeathStar of the software universe). So what do you guys think about - MS BizSpark? - Removing (1) from the above scenario. IBM Global Entrepreneurship? - Removing both (1) and (2) from above scenario. Now to play the devil's advocate, some, IMHO, pluses of the DreamSpark initiative - 0. Choice is always a good thing. 1. It allows students another alternative to software piracy. Piracy is the primary reason why Non FOSS are so popular in India. 2. It allows students who use Linux in everyday life to use a proprietary software to scratch an itch that cannot otherwise be scratched in the given time frame using FOSS. I'm thinking things like Matlab, Simulink, and Labview. And I'm speaking from experience that it is painful to cover their capabilities using FOSS (or atleast was during my college days) especially when you are an engineering student with too many things already on his hands. -- Anupam Sent using Gmail which ironically does not evoke as much of a negative reaction as a Blackberry. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Dharna against Dreamspark
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:46 PM, vinay singh vinnip...@gmail.com wrote: Dear FOSS lovers from Meerut. You know Meerut is a place where the first freedom revolution started in year 1857 so now its time for us to fight for software freedom. Meerut where there are more than 35 technical institutions its quite necessary for us to understand the importance of this software freedom and to simply reject the Dreamspark initiative of AICTE and M$. http://iftytech.posterous.com/dreamspark-or-dreamshatter Good! As this allow students to evaluate alternatives to free software in a non-piracy context.. I may be being naïve but if it's not being pushed down student's throats, a choice is a good thing.. -- Anupam Sent from my BlackBerry ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Dharna against Dreamspark
Mohit expressed: People are busy showcasing pride in sending mails from their gadgets. Who cares for software freedom? How is the brand of my cellphone relevant? If you are questioning my loyalty to free software, rest assured sir, I'm as much holding my breath for a mukt cellphone platform as anyone else on this mailing list. -- Anupam Sent from my BlackBerry ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Calling all Apache Solr/open-source search engine users in Delhi/NCR
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Hi, Seeing as how search has now become an integral part of many websites, and is among the most interesting areas of still-emerging technologies, at least IMHO, I think that it would be interesting if we could have a meet-up of people in the Delhi/NCR region who are interested in this area. This sounds very interesting! I've built a few search centric websites, one of which (indianlawexpert.com) was non commercial and free (as in beer). It seemed fairly promising before the forums were heavily hit by spam and I had to shut down the search engine as I switched providers. I stopped working on the project once I discovered indiankanoon.org (which is excellent). I'd love to revive the project with some help from the community. Sadly, I won't be able to be in Delhi before October so if there are any meetings around that time, I'd love to attend. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Narendra Sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: DDR3 will be a cost effective option. To the best of my knowledge DDR3 costs a bit more in the Mumbai channels - right now at least. Btw here is Open Letter by Nicholas Negroponte - http://blog.laptop.org/2010/07/29/welcoming-indias-tablet/ He is also taking this joke seriously. At the end the article he invited $35 team at MIT OLPC. Cool :) I hope the team accepts the invitation. I am sure they can learn from each other, especially in the areas of production, distribution and most importantly support. Seriously, it will a great achievement if it can be mass produced and deployed. My only problem with it is the touted price point - trying to fool the public. Subsidy by the Indian Govt.? -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [offtopic] Need ideas and help. A website on the political situation in India.
Everyone, This may not be completely off-topic - true freedom depends on individuals making well informed decisions. I have decided to start a website which will provide a sort of score card for all political parties and political individuals based on an objective and fact based criteria. Amongst other things I plan to document and permanently store all statements/decisions/actions by public figures. I feel it's needed and has the potential to provide a deterrent to political parties from relying on the fickle memories of the Indian public. Of course, everything including the source code will be either under a Free software license or in public domain. The primary goal is to make the database as comprehensive as possible while retaining objectivity and balanced opinions. I feel (perhaps somewhat counter-intuitively) that both these aims can be achieved by making it completely open, perhaps by ensuring that a structure of checks and balances operates automatically, pushing good opinions to the top (something like stackoverflow?). So I'm looking for ideas and collaborators on how to do all this - 1. Create a permanent data format for storage and retrieval of event details including actions and intentions of individuals and the context surrounding them. 2. An objective and automatic criteria for scoring each individual based on their history. 3. A system that enables everyone to participate easily and in a structured fashion. 4. A system of checks and balances that ensures that only the best opinions are the most visible ones, while still giving non-mainstream opinions a chance to become popular. 5. A convenient user interface that presents all the information in the easiest way possible (Natural language search anyone?). I apologise if I seem incoherent and/or generic. I don't have any idea of what such a system could look like. Infact I just came up with this idea after seeing all that has been happening in our democratic country today. We have become desensitised and forgetful, and not on purpose. I believe the situation can be improved by providing the public with enough context to make better decisions. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [ilug]Need Mysql Help
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Robin Ladwal robin_lad...@hotmail.comwrote: Dear Rakesh Please check out the following link: http://www.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/5.0.html You need to download source code and then compile it on your distro. Its easy read readme.txt or install.txt before installing it. Er.. No, please don't ask people new to Linux to build from source when there are better alternatives (even if it is easy). There are pre-built Mysql Workbench packages available for several Linux distributions here - http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/5.2.html -- Anupam Jain ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] linux compatible tv tuner card
[ Ahh clumsy fingers hit reply instead of reply all. Copying the list. ] On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to record some videos from a camcorder to a linux box. ( Next phase will be live streaming !! ) I need a tv tuner card or some other similar device so that I can get the input to the PC from the camera. What kind of camcorder is it? A firewire or even a usb connection should work for video streaming. I definitely have managed to do USB streaming on Linux in the past though the specifics escape me. I have tried many TV tuner cards available in the market. Most of them are supported only on Windows. If you know any TV tuner card or any other grabber card that can work on Linux, please let me know the model/make/manufacturer/price ( and if possible, where it will be available) If you have any other suggestions for this exercise, do send them to me.. Best regards, -Sudhanwa Please don't hold back from any discussions on TV Tuner cards though.. I've been thinking about buying one myself. My friendly computer guy gave me one a year or so ago that simply refused to work on Linux, and I was really looking forward to getting MythTV set up :) -- AJ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Tutorial and sample codes for ANN, GA and Fuzzy Logic toolboxes in Scilab
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:39 PM, bipul pandey pandeybi...@gmail.com wrote: Till now, i have using Matlab for Artificial Neural Networks, Genetic Algorithms and Fuzzy Logic. But, after using Java and other some open source creations, i wanted to completely replace matlab with some equivalent open source software. For this i tried Scilab and installed the tool boxes for the three. But, even after extensively trying and searching the net for a suitable tutorial/guide for using these tool boxes, i could not find anything worthwhile. I also tried exploring them myself but to no avail in the absence of a suitable guide. Can somebody guide me how to use them and tell me how to get some tutorial and sample codes for these tool boxes. Or tell me is there some other open source equivalent of matlab for which tutorial and documentation of using these three is available?? Octave with GNUPlot worked great for me, for some of the robotics stuff that we were doing in college. It has good docs and is similar to Matlab (unlike Scilab). The choice ultimately depends on what features of Matlab are important to you though. -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] evolution+multisync+openSyncML to Nokia over bluetooth
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: One manufacturer actually uses the Linux kernel and refuses to give out the code. May I ask, what is the name of this manufacturer ? Probably Motorola? -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] M$ open source
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:53 AM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: See: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5822utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+zdnet%2Fopen-source+%28ZDNet+Open+Source%29alertspromo Excerpts: What Microsoft has done with the library is an open source project called the Research Information Centre Framework. It’s a virtual research framework, helping them manage the increasingly complex range of tasks involved in 21st century research. OK, where’s the catch? Built on top of Microsoft Office SharePoint Server (MOSS) 2007, the RIC extends the core MOSS functionality to meet the needs to academic researchers engaged in collaborative research projects To Microsoft open source is not an end in itself. It is a marketing tool. It is a way to gain lock-in with important customer sets. The first comment echoes my sentiments exactly - A for-profit software extends an existing framework (that they built over 9 years) to solve a specific problem. You think they should have built a whole solution that runs on LAMP from scratch, and open source it? You think that would be profitable? (remember, they're a company with investors) If the FOSS community will benefit from a LAMP implementation, someone will eventually develop something using code from this MS project. Something is better than nothing right! :) -- Anupam ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Now Big Brother wants your DNS...
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Arun Khan kn...@yahoo.com wrote: On Friday 04 Dec 2009, narendra sisodiya wrote: what happend to openDNS ? It is still there :D... anyway I prefer my own cacheing DNS servers on the intranet as well on my laptop. OpenDNS will direct you to it's own search pages when you enter a non existent domain name. This makes it quite useless.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi I have facing a strange problem while uploading data file using FTP in cron. I have made a script to upload 40GB approx tar.gz file to a FTP location. When I run the script in console, it works fine and uploads the file without any issue. When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. But when I run the script again in command prompt, the data gets uploaded without any issue. Any pointers? If a script runs from the console but not from cron, 99% of the time it's one of these two things - 1. The user which executes the cron script is not the same 2. The script depends on something in .bashrc (and .bashrc is NOT executed automatically before running cron scripts). -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Reviews of Ubuntu Karmic?
Hey all, I just upgraded my Ubuntu Jaunty system to Karmic and it was amazingly smooth - no interruptions at all, the updater finished in a few hours while I continued working normally and asked for a reboot when it got done. All the settings, themes etc. remained the same as before. Please post your experiences with Karmic. I'm still testing the waters but it looks like there are some minor improvements in the KDE UI (The network manager is really much better). And the system actually seems snappier for the same hardware. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] IBM and the indian debacle
The problem here is not IBM but the sadly misinformed and dangerously callous college authorities.. Some good old Satyagraha is in order here.. In the short term though, the best solution for you would be to opt for an open source project using either an open source IBM technology (say Eclipse) or a platform neutral one (say J2EE).. Yes you give IBM more than fair share of rights but sometimes things can't be helped. -- Anupam On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat shekhawat.anir...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs. So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates that very philosophy. There is a very popular competition which IBM runs in india called TGMC (The great mind challenge) [1] for students. Well that is all good but the tricky part comes here. IBM only accepts projects made using its technology i.e. the tools which only IBM provides to the educational institute you are in and yes, they dont give these tools to individuals, they can only be acquired once your institute is in the program and it so happens that IBM after sending its big boys to your institute and, your college will soon will make it compulsory for everyone in the final year to make their major projects for IBM, and my college is one of them and we are stuck with making our major projects in TGMC if we want or not. The tools to be used are : Rational Rose/RSA RAD/Eclipse/WSAD/ WebSphere Portal WAS/WAS CE DB2 Express – ‘C’ or DB2 UDB and as it seems that you cant do this project without IBM's help. But what is more important are the Terms and Conditions, what it has imposed on all student developers working on it, here is an interesting one :- By submitting entries, entrant grants IBM and their agents of the program the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any way, in commerce and in any and all media worldwide, including but not limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the entrants. Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer, modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or part and in any form without compensation. for a complete set of Terms and Conditions [2] Woah!! So that means you dont own your work, it just does not belong to you. I wonder what is this giant teaching young students on this country. And what is this policy where, on one hand its promoting open source and on the other its doing this. And this is not limited to my college alone, I know a lot many college in jaipur, rajasthan, india which have fallen for this and have made it mandatory for their students to work on it. [1] http://tgmc.in [2] https://tgmc.in/terms_conditions.php?id=8 regards Acedip -- My web home http://acedip.in Linux Users Group Jaipur http://lugj.in -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/FA/L/MU/P/S !d s:- a-- C UL P++ L+++ E- W++ N++ o K-- w--- O- M- V PS PE Y PGP t 5 X R tv b DI D G e h+ r- y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Thursday 15 Oct 2009, Gora Mohanty wrote: I am not averse to the idea of working together, through sites similar to LinkedIn. However, I am very much opposed to what seems to have become de riguer for such social networking sites, where they actively seek to sucker new users into exposing more email addresses that they can unscrupulously harvest. Because of this, I refuse to use LinkedIn, even though they are apparently a very useful site. I also think that it is incumbent on people to be aware of such practices by social networking sites that they subscribe to. If they choose to open all contacts in their email box to such spammers, in my opinion, they share the blame for the spam that results. The punishment in this case is also ridiculously trivial, so there is hardly any reason to complain. Er, what makes you think that once you've revealed your e-mail ID and password to linkedin (or equivalent site) they won't use, abuse and misuse it for their own hidden agenda? Yes, yes, the web site claims that they'll forget your password eventually, but any web site can make any claim without actually adhering to it. Further, linkedin (and other anti-social networking sites) are now ripe targets for various mafiosi- type attacks (remember Twitter got haxqu0red a couple of weeks back?) and you can be absolutely sure that when a band of gun-toting coke- crazed hoods gets hold of your contacts and presumably your password they're not going to be agonising over whether to misuse that data or not. There is also the whole value-raising question, where the promoters of every site try to raise the value of the site; traditionally this was done (roughly) by counting registered users, at, say, $1 per user or so. Now if I were promoting linkedin I'd make damn sure that I kept users' passwords with me, so that when MS tries to buy me out they pay me $1 per registered user and, under the table, another $100 per validated user password! In short, giving your e-mail ID password to someone you don't know from Ali is an excellent way to show the world that you don't have a clue about security and can't be trusted with sensitive data. I definitely hate these Connect with me on blah blah mails as much as the next person but I still have to dispute some points here. In my opinion, storing huge amounts of confidential customer data is more a liability than an asset. Plus sites like LinkedIn have a lot of credibility which they need to protect and the easiest way to do that would be by not screwing your users. Curious, why do you think MS would pay large amounts of money for user passwords? Maybe to sabotage other email services? Highly unlikely (but not impossible), or did you have any other use in mind? In any case, the root cause here is that these social networking websites need to provide a way to allow easy import of existing contacts into their service. It's very beneficial to the user to not have to do this by hand. I still think it's stupid to supply your gmail password to any website but gmail, but asking for the username and password used to be THE only way to do this (If I wrote a social networking app 2 years back I would have done the same thing without any guilt). Thankfully we now have open standards like OpenID and OpenAuth springing up to provide a safe idiot-proof way of doing this. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] TV Tuner card setup in Linux
Hi all, I have a Frontech USB TV Box TV Tuner Pixel View / Pinnacle (model number JIL-0613) and I am trying to configure this in Ubuntu 9.04. It doesn't do anything at all when I plug it in. dmesg says - [276474.856095] usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21 [276474.998603] usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice I have installed tvtime and it doesn't detect any capture device at all. I have no idea what to do next. Any pointers? Googling was no help and at this point I'll even take This card is not currently supported in Linux as an answer. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Configured a 23 inch 1920x1080 LCD screen on Ubuntu (or Kubuntu)
Hi all, I got a 23 inch LCD for my laptop and configuring it was more trouble than I would have imagined (aren't monitors supposed to just work?). But I finally managed to figure out the steps and documented them here http://blog.syntaxvssemantics.com/2009/10/using-external-1920x1080-lcd-monitor.html so that others in the same situation will benefit from it. Related note: Someone please implement an extend desktop option for KDE! Mirror is pretty much useless. I'd much rather turn off my 1280x768 laptop display. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Faster way to take backup?
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Vivek Kapoor subs...@exain.com wrote: On Wed 30 Sep 2009 11:25:20 PM IST , Sameep sam...@tuxwire.com wrote: On 30-Sep-2009, at 10:05 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: I think it's time someone created something similar to Apple's Time Machine based on one of these incremental backup solutions. Why do we need to remember cryptic commands to do something as simple and integral as automatic foolproof backup? There is a project called Flyback. http://flyback-project.org/ Its a GUI for a bunch of commands. Flyback AFAIK is not being maintained anymore. You can try out Back In Time http://backintime.le-web.org Excellent! Very easy to setup and use. And with KDE and Gnome interfaces! I've started using it immediately. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Faster way to take backup?
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Devendra Gera g...@theoldmonk.net wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Amit Sharma wrote: Hi, I would like to share the following backup script being used by me. Works Fine. Just in case some one needs it. My /home is 40 GB abd tar.gz file comes to 20 GB and takes about 1 hour 10 mins to create. My question is - Is there faster way to take the backup? Why not go the incremental way? I've been using Brackup successfully, and I'm planning to move to a git-based system - although the existing-git-repositories-as-submodules keeps throwing me off. It's been a while since I tried, so the situation might have changed. I think it's time someone created something similar to Apple's Time Machine based on one of these incremental backup solutions. Why do we need to remember cryptic commands to do something as simple and integral as automatic foolproof backup? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] KDE 3d compositing problem with Firefox drag drop
Everyone, I apologise for the late response and thanks for your replies. I have simply decided to make peace with the problem as it is only a minor niggle in an otherwise wonderful and stable production system (I've already experimented enough by installing KDE on it instead of Gnome, though that gamble paid off :)). Maybe others who have tried these steps can post their experiences so that they can help others in the same situation. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] KDE 3d compositing problem with Firefox drag drop
I am running KDE4.2.2 on Kubuntu 9.04. Over the past few days I have noticed that dragging text/images in firefox freezes my machine for a few 2-3 seconds followed by a KDE message indicating that Compositing was too slow and has been disabled. I am running an underpowered Dell Vostro 1400 laptop with an intel chipset. It would be a minor problem as I almost never drag drop text in Firefox but somehow I tend to do it inadvertently quite often these days and a 2-3 seconds freeze is a major irritant when it happens out of the blue. So I'm posting this here in the hopes that someone else has seen the same problem and has figured out a way to fix this. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] proprietary binaries from gcc-drived compiler? (was: Re: NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop)
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Raj Mathurr...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Friday 28 Aug 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: However I wonder about the proprietary compiler itself. if it's based on GCC, it needs to be licensed under GPL, even if it's distributed in-house. So any developer who works for this company and has lawful access to the executable can demand the sources and then distribute these sources to the general public under GPL. Nope. Distribution is specifically deemed to be to III-parties, not within an organisation. If your company is using a proprietary version of a GPL software in-house, you as an employee cannot demand the sources since the software has not been distributed to you. This makes me realise that my understanding of distribution as defined by the GPL is not as clear as I thought. But then again, perhaps it is the license itself that is ambiguous and the meaning of distribution depends on how it is interpreted by the local courts. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] proprietary binaries from gcc-drived compiler? (was: Re: NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop)
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Pawanpee...@hotpop.com wrote: Nalin Savara nsn...@... writes: [about Nalin's work:] This is a proprietary compiler based on gcc-- which compiles to generate code targetted at a MIPS microprocessor used in a consumer electronics device. Going off on a tangent to the main debate: The compiler can be proprietary if you keep it in house. But I'm wondering about the MIPS binaries, since they are distributed generally. Does the electronics company provide source for the MIPS binaries under GPL? No? Yes? What's the reasoning there? The code compiled by GCC is not required to be licensed under GPL. Indeed, my company too has people using GCC and scratchbox to cross compile proprietary code for MIPS. However I wonder about the proprietary compiler itself. if it's based on GCC, it needs to be licensed under GPL, even if it's distributed in-house. So any developer who works for this company and has lawful access to the executable can demand the sources and then distribute these sources to the general public under GPL. Is it possible for the company to legally prevent its employees from doing this? What happens if someone not authorised by the company gets access to the binaries illegally or accidently. Can he then demand the sources under GPL? These are all thought provoking questions. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] proprietary binaries from gcc-drived compiler? (was: Re: NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop)
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Gora Mohantyg...@sarai.net wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:56:12 +0530 Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] However I wonder about the proprietary compiler itself. if it's based on GCC, it needs to be licensed under GPL, even if it's distributed in-house. It is a stretch to call that distribution. So any developer who works for this company and has lawful access to the executable can demand the sources and then distribute these sources to the general public under GPL. Is it possible for the company to legally prevent its employees from doing this? If by nothing else, they can can certainly fire them. What happens if someone not authorised by the company gets access to the binaries illegally or accidently. Can he then demand the sources under GPL? [...] Of course not. If one illegally acquires something (I am not sure what you mean by accidentally getting access), no rights accrue to one from such possession. Else, I could steal a TV, and claim warranty service on it. An example of accidental access would be when some employee donates a computer to a third party but forgets to erase the HDD. You cannot directly compare acquiring a TV with acquiring a copy of some software. There is nothing lost when people share bits and it's the fundamental reason why free software exists. When you steal a TV, you do not get the warranty rights because that would be taking them away from the real owner, whereas with software you can have the binaries and the source, without depriving anyone else (indeed with GPL you are forbidden from depriving anyone else of these rights). What if the company makes all its employees sign NDAs that forbid them from disclosing and/or distributing any technology/algorithms revealed to them by the company. In this case even though the GPL license would allow them to redistribute the binaries, doing so is indirectly made illegal by the NDA. Would you still compare distributing the binaries akin to stealing a TV, just because they are both technically illegal? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Karanbir Singhmail-li...@karan.org wrote: Hi, Firstly, I dont think you understand Open Source as a whole, and Linux in specific. On 08/25/2009 11:55 AM, Nalin Savara wrote: I had been exposed to more specific overtures of Microsoft to policy makers etc-- and that scares me and pushes me to contribute and/or actually encourage people who are contributing to FOSS in india. Open Source has nothing to do with Microsoft. eg. There are many many open source projects that only aim to target usability on the MS platforms. Apple / Sun / IBM / Cisco etc are all in the same boat. Open source does not, as an idea, target any commercial product vendor. The main aim is about choice and the existence of that choice, even when working with closed vendor solutions. To give you a more specific example, since you seem very new to the whole world of open source, is the whole noise around Microsoft Word. Noone has any problems with MS-Word and what its capable of and what it looks like or what it does. None is asking for it to be 'open sourced'. However, the file formats used by Word tend to be focused around locking a user into the Word 'platform' and also create 'peer pressure' on everyone to also buy into this. The open source movement wants that to be taken away - the filefdormats, data exchange formats, should be an open specification so as to let the user decide on whats a better solution for their roles. And if MSWord is what they need, nothing stops them from going out and buying it. Lets not forget, its still a free world and most people are generally allowed to make choices that work for them. Another example that might help clear this up for you is the cifs/smb suite. Think about it. I have no agenda, and I know most people here on the list as well as people involved with open source, dont target a company for what it is, as long as there is no abuse of their position to impact the choice users might have. And in many cases, you will find fullstack vendors like Sun, actually shipping Linux and BSD containers in Solaris ( anyone remember Solaris Brandz ? ) (1) My mail was based on my own career and product development experience-- but your comments were neither about your career nor your products nor about people you know anything about. Which is why most of your email was just wasted noise. that products always take longer than expected to develop--- and if one starts looking at weaknesses/non-compliances/faults too early--- the development may never reach critical speed OR critical mass-- and may drag on forever. you might want to look up how this process works in the open source world. Also, version control is fairly competent these days and working on branches isnt as hard or as alien as it used to be in the dark ages. It is a well studied phenomena among product develop professionals in various fields called-- that if you dont have any prototype OR feature complete product early (no matter how buggy)--- then chances are it is going to take a order of magnitude more time to converge upon a stable and usable final shippable product. Do you even know what BOSS is and what they are doing ? you seem to be working it a an upstream of debian. What they do is essentially a few people doing very few package development, and building a distro ( which is usually just running a script, a script they didnt write ) I am not familiar with the Boss Linux team but over the past 2-3 years I've had run-ins with other Govt. agencies building Linux distributions (yes there are others and their functioning is obscure by design.). But you would not see my chest swell up with pride, for these may technically be open source projects but the spirit is proprietary and the hidden agenda behind any such govt. effort is pretty clear - Do not let yourself become redundant. If competent people are willing to put in time and effort for free, why should the govt. should continue to pay someone else for doing an inferior job? Do you see how dangerous that question is? It is the reason why these people prefer to develop behind closed doors, and that is a model that is doomed from the word go. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.orgwrote: On 08/20/2009 12:57 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote: Doesn't it have to be open source ? Isn't that the nature of the beast? GPL license in this case? Could you please point out where they post the source tree's and the build scripts ? Have you tried downloading the DVD from the website? Doesn't it contain the sources? If it doesn't then make a formal query/complaint to the site admins. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] NCERT Books online
I don't know how many of you know about this but all NCERT books are now available online through the NCERT website http://www.ncert.nic.in/html/textbooks.htm. Great initiaitive by the Govt. though their website is a bit messed up in Firefox. Please spread the word! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] NCERT Books online
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Smruti smrutiman...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know how many of you know about this but all NCERT books are now available online through the NCERT website http://www.ncert.nic.in/html/textbooks.htm. Great Initiative by GoI. But I am just curious, what is it's use?? Practical - Students can get them printed out in really tiny font on slips of paper to be used at opportune moments during exams :) Or more seriously, read them on their phones, carry them around on usb sticks, make corrections or add their own notes, or customise the content to their own preferences. I know a lot of these are not possible now , but this is a first step. Philosophical - For me buying NCERT books used to be a real pain.. Supply always used to outstrip demand and unscrupulous vendors would sell previous year's books by relabelling the price and year fields.. NCERT books need to be as free and as widely accessible as possible and this is again a step in that direction. Personal - For better or worse, I have a sentimental attachment for the stuff I read in my school days.. I really wish I had saved all those books (I didn't because I hated them back then!).. The books have changed now and I have less enthusiasm for these PDFs, but I'm sure they are valued by someone else, who would be delighted to be able to save them in pristine form for a long time to come.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Another cool KDE app - yakuake
Hate to sound like a fanboy but this app for KDE is great.. http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ (install using sudo apt-get install yakuake-kde4) It's a drop down konsole that neatly makes seamless the gui and commandline experience on Linux. -- Anupam PS: Oh and in case you have not discovered it yet, try doing an F4 in dolphin ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Why Desktop Linux sucks and how we can fix it..
Nice presentation. It's time we starting paying real money for real quality software. http://www.kde.org/support/support.php http://www.gnome.org/friends/ http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html Someone who can afford to pay 20$ for a silly iPhone game, ought to feel obliged to pay for something that takes a lot more work to develop.. -- Anupam On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: Nice food for hungry minds - http://lunduke.com/?p=429 -- Forwarded message -- From: Angad Singh an...@angadsingh.in Date: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:02 PM Subject: [JIITU-LUG] linux sucks To: JIITU-LUG jiit...@googlegroups.com Ok before you get all rebellious and decide to beat me up for such a subject read on.. :P This was the title of a presentation conducted by a Linux zealot (Bryan Lunduke) in front of a lot of other Linux zealots at a recognized Linux event in the US called LinuxFest NW attended by people from the OLPC project, Novell, Fedora, the executive director of Linux International and more. It's organized by 6 LUGs in Washington.You can checkout the event's website at http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/ The guy has a point.. a lot of 'em in fact.. we need to pay those developers or start writing software which matches up to the competition.. we need to get rid of all the ridiculous problems with video and audio configuration/drivers, have a unified packaging system (instead of having linux dev's build for 12 different targets!), so and so forth.. note that the title of the presentation is to get you to wake up to contribute and not insult linux in any way :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Hall_%28programmer%29#cite_note-0 You guys should really watch the entire video here: http://lunduke.com/?p=429 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are a proud member of JIIT-LUG Community. Have something to share, send an email to jiit...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jiitlug+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjiitlug%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com jiitlug%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comjiitlug%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com Check out for more options: http://groups.google.com/group/jiitlug?hl=en?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │RD Engineer │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org │Twitter : http://tinyurl.com/dz7e4a └─┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] KDE 4 Plasma, Dolphin, Gnome Docky, Okular, Kompare, Pidgin, OO, Thunderbird, Netbeans, Firefox, Mysql Workbench.. Thank you all!
On 6/19/09, KM kamaleshwar.mor...@gmail.com wrote: Nandeep Mali wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Anupam Jainajn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] An SVN client like Tortoise - Command line works well on Linux so not so much of a problem How about: - RapidSVN (by Tigris) - QSvn (decent GUI, http://www.anrichter.net/projects/qsvn/wiki/ScreenShots) - sSvn (some kind of a wrapper) KDEsvn! :) I've tried pretty much all of them in the past and nothing compares to Tortoise! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] KDE 4 Plasma, Dolphin, Gnome Docky, Okular, Kompare, Pidgin, OO, Thunderbird, Netbeans, Firefox, Mysql Workbench.. Thank you all!
This needs to be said.. My Linux experience has improved several orders of magnitude over the past few weeks thanks to the hard work by the authors of these wonderful FOSS programs, all running on Linux (Kubuntu Jaunty in my case). It's not that I suddenly discovered them recently, but that things have come together so nicely, fittingly for the first time. I can now safely say that the Linux experience is vastly superior to *any* other OS and I'm grateful. Things still sorely missed - An SVN client like Tortoise - Command line works well on Linux so not so much of a problem A Diagram editor like Visio - Dia and Inkscape fill the niche but not very well A Project Management app like Project - Planner is a so-so alternative But these are acceptable niggles, considering how much better everything else is.. I know I'm preaching to the choir here but anyone stuck on OSX, Windows, or any other XYZ OS, please check these programs out and I guarantee that you will switch over to the force... err.. the free and open source! -- Anupam PS: As a die hard Gnome user, KDE 4 has totally taken me by surprise. God speed to them both and may we see a merge in the future! PPS: And the games! Saurbraten, Wesnoth, Frozen-bubble, Tremulous rock!!! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] test
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Pawan pee...@hotpop.com wrote: Nalin Savara nsn...@... writes: You yourself know that a single or 2-3 abbreviations in 500-800 words of messages I sent today is no big deal. Er...it is a big deal if you are trying to preach, and it stands out so dreadfully in the short mail you sent preaching nettiquette - it made *my* eyes bleed anyway. Practice what you preach, or you look like a hypocrite. And then the validity of what you preach is believed less, even if it *is* completely true. From XKCD http://xkcd.com/386/ [image: Duty Calls] -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] On a related note: KDE might not be as stable and smooth as Gnome right now but application wise it is showing potential! Installing the kdegames package brings in some of the nicest timepass (non FPS) games I have seen. One of my laptops is now permanently moved over to KDE. Er, could you change that to: KDE on Ubuntu might not be as stable and smooth as Gnome right now? I've been using KDE 3.5 on Debian (with Compiz and all effects!) for donkey's years now, and I can't remember when I last had a stability or smoothness issue. OTOH KDE4 is still a pretty buggy piece of software from all accounts -- for myself, I actively discourage people from using it. Well it has nothing to do with Ubuntu. I'm using KDE 4.2 and the right statement to make, as you did already, is that Latest version of KDE is not as stable or smooth as the latest version of Gnome. But as I said KDE 4 shows massive potential and it feels stable enough right now to be on my development laptop. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur r...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves Raju, Can radio schizoid be streamed to Amarok? I couldn't figure out a way to get Amarok to play pls files which Schizoid.in provides. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Fri, 8 May 2009 11:52:54 +0530 Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:27 +0530 [...] Could you start a Wiki page on http://wiki.linux-delhi.org (you will need to register), listing these topics, and announce the same here, asking people to enter their names under the areas where they are interested? Done! The wiki page is at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/TopicsForFOSSRelatedBOFMeetings. Please feel free to add or edit topics as you see fit. [...] Thanks for taking care of this. I will add to the Wiki page over the weekend, and it would be nice if others did the same, even if it is only to add their name as interested participants. It would be good to see a broader participation from the list. As for the venue, I can arrange to always have Sarai available as a standby venue on a certain day. Should this be Fri. evening, or Sat.? Actually if it is of the order of 5 people at a BoF, they can always drop in unannounced. Sat works fine for me. Looks like the common interests Gaurav and I share are Massive Information Management, Web Development, and Embedded Systems (what range!). What's the final topic then? Anyone who is planning to drop in unannounced please at least make the effort of indicating your topic preference on the list. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 06 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: What's the easiest way to read PDFs with embedded comments (created with Acrobat Professional) on GNU/Linux? Evince (the default gnome viewer) displays the yellow comment icons but does not show the text. For the time being I am using PDFEdit to manually navigate the tree and extract the comments but it is *very* inefficient and time consuming. Evince has the ability to read/edit comments in its roadmap but I need a solution now. See if kword will show you the comments. Not exactly a PDF reader, though. I like to stick to Gnome so no KWord. I did try openoffice though with ghastly results. Actually you can install KWord on any machine that has X. KWord != KDE. The Epilogue: I finally took the plunge and downloaded Kubuntu 9.04 so that I can try out KWord. But would you believe it, I don't really need to use KWord - Okular works perfectly! So I suggest other people in the same situation use Okular. Hopefully someone will add the same functionality into Evince sometime soon. On a related note: KDE might not be as stable and smooth as Gnome right now but application wise it is showing potential! Installing the kdegames package brings in some of the nicest timepass (non FPS) games I have seen. One of my laptops is now permanently moved over to KDE. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:27 +0530 Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with anywhere between 3-10 people. OK, informal BoFs on a specific subject, where 5-10 people is a good attendance, are useful, and can lead to interesting discussions. If needed, space for such meetings can be provided at Sarai, JNU (if Andrew is willing), or at any other place. Certainly, we can arrange that Sarai premises are available at a specific time, say every Sat., on a first-come, first-serve basis for anyone who wishes to hold such a BoF, with an announcement being made at least by Thu. of that week. However, where is the role of the LUG in this, as presumably a different set of people will be attending each meeting, and there is little common interest among the groups? One possibility is to have a monthly LUG meeting where the various groups come together to discuss what each has done, and investigate whether there are any shared interests. However, this would require some kind of a commitment from the groups to send a representative to such a generic meeting. How does that sound? Would it be possible to have people from any such special-interest groups comment on this idea. Well if you think about it, it need not be a special interest group that holds a BOF. For example, we can have a meeting (I'm not sure if BOF is still the right word for this kind of a meting) on document sharing and collaboration in GNU/Linux i.e. what works NOW. The aim of the meeting would be to share experiences and come up with a draft set of guidelines on how to interoperate with your office colleagues. Then we put up that document on the Wiki and let the list members refine it and it would serve as a handy reference for anyone facing the same problem, for a long time to come. It would be a one time meeting really and I'm sure would generate a lot of interest. I can come up with a whole bunch of similar topics if needed. [...] Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) - [...] Could you start a Wiki page on http://wiki.linux-delhi.org (you will need to register), listing these topics, and announce the same here, asking people to enter their names under the areas where they are interested? Done! The wiki page is at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/TopicsForFOSSRelatedBOFMeetings. Please feel free to add or edit topics as you see fit. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Gaurav Mishra gauravtec...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with anywhere between 3-10 people. Well that seems like a excellent idea ! Let's do it .However , if you need this meetings to be successful , these *3-10* can't be same people that are there always for years !, The meetings currently see same people with different hairstyles every time !, We need different people for different BOF's , Everybody can't be present every week ! Yup! Totally agreed. Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) - 1. FOSS document sharing and publishing. Especially an alternative to PDF. 2. Any web dev topics PHP/RoR/Python, AJAX, anything. 3. FOSS platforms suitable for embedded systems. OpenMoko, Android. Embedded Forth/Erlang/Scheme/Python. 4. FOSS Functional programming. Haskell, Erlang, Scheme. 5. Foss alternatives for shared Calendars, shared code development, shared todo lists, milestone and task management. 6. What's up in Ubuntu/Debian. Ubuntu 9.04. 7. Gnome roadmap. Gnome translations into local languages. Getting a better user experience in Gnome (install Thunar, AWN, and global menu bar!) 8. What's up with Firefox? What's up with Chrome? What's up with Epiphany and Dillo? 9. New advances in Javascript engines. V8. Tracemonkey. 10. FOSS based massive information management. Search engines. Great list !, Anupam as you are continously in and out of delhi , Would request you to choose one day when you are present in delhi and formally (in a informal manner) announce this BOF meeting on that day!, Let's do it and guage the number of participants , Let us know if you need our help in any manner. Well I have created a Wiki page http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/TopicsForFOSSRelatedBOFMeetings with this list of topics. Let's use that to gauge the number of participants. I am in Delhi right now for atleast another month and I sincerely hope we can get something organised within that time frame. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 06 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: What's the easiest way to read PDFs with embedded comments (created with Acrobat Professional) on GNU/Linux? Evince (the default gnome viewer) displays the yellow comment icons but does not show the text. For the time being I am using PDFEdit to manually navigate the tree and extract the comments but it is *very* inefficient and time consuming. Evince has the ability to read/edit comments in its roadmap but I need a solution now. See if kword will show you the comments. Not exactly a PDF reader, though. I like to stick to Gnome so no KWord. I did try openoffice though with ghastly results. Actually you can install KWord on any machine that has X. KWord != KDE. While that's true, KWord would require me to install KDE libraries which I don't want to do (unless I am sure that will solve the problem). BTW, OpenOffice reads PDF? I didn't know that! Well it doesn't. That's what I meant by ghastly results.. Haven't tried the extension that Sankarshan mentions. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear anupam, if i read your need correctly, you wish to view and comment on documents in a collaborative environment. Hence the need to read comments in pdf. You mention you've asked people to move from msoffice fileformats to pdf. Maybe it's too late to recommend another workflow, but here's what i use: ask everyone to turn on 'record changes' and 'view Changes' in oo.o on any platform. Plus oo.o allows you to embed comments in-line. It works. In hindsight, that's what I should have suggested. The problem here is that asking people to send me DOC files instead of DOCX usually draws a blank stare. They have no idea what I am talking about Do you want a Word doc or not?. I have to explain how to NOT choose the default extension and instead save as a Word 2003 compatible document and that is too complicated for them. Microsoft really hit a home run here with creating confusion. If instead I ask them to send me only PDF files, they understand what needs to be done. I had assumed that atleast reading comments would be well supported in Linux. I was wrong. the other option is to use a CMS on which you upload your files and add comments on the cms. Example: plone. Well the comments have to be on specific parts of the document, so this is not an option. on another note, please share whether installing acroread helped. Sort of. I can read comments easily. Still cannot edit them but that is a lower priority right now. When I really do need to edit / add comments I will use PDFEdit. Xournal's PDF support seems pretty good though and it's a very useful application if you have a tablet. It doesn't help my situation but for people sharing PDF files between GNU/Linux machines, it's another good option. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: snip I would actually like to initiate a discussion on the future of ILUG-D as interest in the LUG has been steadily waning, both in terms of participating in the LUG's activities, and in attendance at meetings. Typical meetings attract less than ten people, which is quite disappointing for the presenter, and for the people organising the meeting. There were nine people present at the election meeting! Given this, the current consensus within the governing body is to pare down the activities of the LUG to the bare minimum that can be supported by the available volunteers, and that is consistent with its goal to promote FOSS. This means not having regular monthly meetings, except say when we have a visitor from outside Delhi. The main focus of the LUG's activity seems to have become workshops in local colleges, and Freed.in. Of course, all of this is subject to change, and I would love to see proposals for making the LUG gain some of the vibrancy that this list has, for example. On the other hand, it is possible that the heyday of a monolithic LUG has passed, in which case it makes sense to cut activities down to basics. I would love to participate in LUGs activities but I am rarely in Delhi with enough free time to do so. I'm sure many others are in the same boat. That said, instead of caring about more participation, we should be looking at more holding relevant events. I would still try my best to attend a BOF meeting on an interesting topic rather than a generic ILUGD meeting every month. I regularly meet with friends over a cup of coffee and Linux/FOSS is a hot topic of disscusion, We need to have that level of informality. ILUGD elections have no consequence for me at all. I don't know what they are good for or how they affect me. Gora, the links you posted are either inaccessible without logging in or have *very* old information (pre 2001). Though as long as we have this list as it is, I couldn't care less. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
Hey all, What's the easiest way to read PDFs with embedded comments (created with Acrobat Professional) on GNU/Linux? Evince (the default gnome viewer) displays the yellow comment icons but does not show the text. For the time being I am using PDFEdit to manually navigate the tree and extract the comments but it is *very* inefficient and time consuming. Evince has the ability to read/edit comments in its roadmap but I need a solution now. The only thing I can think of right now is to install wine with foxit. But that seems like a copout. Anyone has any other *better* ideas? -- Anupam PS: I am desperately waiting for the day when people switch over to DjVu and ditch PDF for good. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009 15:18:30 +0530 Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] That said, instead of caring about more participation, we should be looking at more holding relevant events. The point about asking for more participation is that it makes it worthwhile for both the presenter, and the organiser. Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with anywhere between 3-10 people. I would still try my best to attend a BOF meeting on an interesting topic rather than a generic ILUGD meeting every month. I regularly meet with friends over a cup of coffee and Linux/FOSS is a hot topic of disscusion, We need to have that level of informality. I am willing to give specific topics (how do we gauge which ones are of interest to people in Delhi/NCR?), but we have tried that. Perhaps the most successful one was the one centred around OpenStreetMap, which was a while ago. Just last month, Gaurav spent a fair amount of effort to organise a meeting, asking for topics and potential presenters on the list, arranging the meeting, etc. The net result was that five people showed up for a nice talk on Common Lisp, and various tools around it. Sure 5 people is a good enough number. If we hold 10 such meetings, that's 50 people meeting up every month. I'd call that a success. I am not sure what you mean by that level of informality. LUG meetings obviously need to be announced at least a little ahead of time, and cannot be an off-the-cuff meeting of friends over coffee. How do you propose to bring informality into this? ILUGD elections have no consequence for me at all. I don't know what they are good for or how they affect me. Gora, the links you posted are either inaccessible without logging in or have *very* old information (pre 2001). Though as long as we have this list as it is, I couldn't care less. There were just two links, as what Amit wanted does not really exist at the moment. The second link (the one that did not work) is to the Memorandum of Association. I am not sure why that link does not work from mail, but you can go to the Governing Body link, http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/exec.cgi?action=exec and click on item 2 in the menu at the top. Again, it is probably not very useful. I guess the point still is that we do not know what would interest a sizable portion of the LUG. Personally, I am coming around to thinking that FOSS interest has broken down into smaller focus groups, and a broad-spectrum LUG has less relevance nowadays. This is not necessarily a bad thing, and could well be a sign that FOSS has matured beyond the early days of evangelism just for the sake of its ideals. Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) - 1. FOSS document sharing and publishing. Especially an alternative to PDF. 2. Any web dev topics PHP/RoR/Python, AJAX, anything. 3. FOSS platforms suitable for embedded systems. OpenMoko, Android. Embedded Forth/Erlang/Scheme/Python. 4. FOSS Functional programming. Haskell, Erlang, Scheme. 5. Foss alternatives for shared Calendars, shared code development, shared todo lists, milestone and task management. 6. What's up in Ubuntu/Debian. Ubuntu 9.04. 7. Gnome roadmap. Gnome translations into local languages. Getting a better user experience in Gnome (install Thunar, AWN, and global menu bar!) 8. What's up with Firefox? What's up with Chrome? What's up with Epiphany and Dillo? 9. New advances in Javascript engines. V8. Tracemonkey. 10. FOSS based massive information management. Search engines. These are vast and varied topics. I'm sure I have some common interests with some other people. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please
2009/5/6 Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) dines...@gmail.com: Sankarshan, On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:48 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/6 Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) dines...@gmail.com: The LUGs should now move to provide umbrella for more specialist interest groups like Python, PHP, C/C++, RoR, Databases, Cloud Computing, Security, Application specific software stacks, Policy and evangelize related topics and such. Why would the specialist groups be interested in a LUG umbrella ? I am not playing the devil's advocate here (more so because that cameo is generally used to spew unbridled sarcasm), but am specifically interested in a discussion. While the thought did cross my mind, I haven't had a comprehensive idea about what would make such an embedded presence work. At least I can think of few possible reasons why it's advantageous for these smaller groups to come under LUG umbrella. 1. Keep the FOSS community united 2. Get benefit of the LUG experience and infrastructure to enhance their appeal 3. Reach out to wider audience. See if you and others can come up with more reasons. :-) I think the biggest reason is this list, which has a vast audience. It's a shared platform which is a valuable brainstorming and organising tool. Plus all new users join the local LUG and then decide which BOF to attend. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 06 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: What's the easiest way to read PDFs with embedded comments (created with Acrobat Professional) on GNU/Linux? Evince (the default gnome viewer) displays the yellow comment icons but does not show the text. For the time being I am using PDFEdit to manually navigate the tree and extract the comments but it is *very* inefficient and time consuming. Evince has the ability to read/edit comments in its roadmap but I need a solution now. See if kword will show you the comments. Not exactly a PDF reader, though. I like to stick to Gnome so no KWord. I did try openoffice though with ghastly results. I also tried the Linux version of foxit, no sign of comments (Evince was better in that it atleast shows the yellow comment bubbles). Comments do work on the windows version so the linux version seems to be behind. Finally installed 'acroread' from medibuntu repositories, a massive 100 MB beast. It's ironic - I don't use acrobat even at work where I'm stuck with windows. Acrobat is a resource hog and is always asking for updates. Well on the brighter side, it's better than receiving docx and pptx files - which is what I was getting before I forced people to convert to pdf - and which is why I can't start complaining about PDF (that won't make anyone happy). -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Open Linux Tech Center - Freelance open.linux.cen...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.sqlite.org/ is another alternative to mysql... sqlite doesn't quite fit the same niche as mysql. But there are other alternatives like Postgres (http://www.postgresql.org/) and Firebird (http://www.firebirdsql.org/). -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 22 Apr 2009, Nalin Savara wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. Since as of today MySQL is GPL, you cannot force a single user of MySQL in a FOSS application to pay you a single paisa. Sorry to bust your dreams, but Oracle can only make people pay from the next release of MySQL (if they switch it to a proprietary licence), and those people can still continue to use the current release and forks thereof with no problems and no payment. Does MySQL have *zero* community contributed code licensed under GPL? If not then doesn't that prevent Oracle from charging even for the next version? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ILUGD (society) as a funding umbrella for FOSS development
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Lynn lynn.and...@gmail.com wrote: This is to seed discussion on a proposal to add a function to the ILUGD society: That of a funding umbrella for community FOSS based development Background: (Personal opinion) (1) The FOSS community is made up of a relatively large number of FOSS users and a smaller number of FOSS developers. Most are active users and evangelists in the late teens-early twenties, before largely moving into jobs where they are lost to the creative use of FOSS in building their careers. A lucky few join FOSS-supportive organisations (e.g Yahoo, Google) which encourage their use of FOSS and pay them sufficiently to build a career. The remaining enthusiasts work largely as hermits in self-run smaller organisations or as individuals. Their opportunities for creative use of their FOSS skills are limited due to lack of financial support in India. Many service the SME/NGO vertical, based on personal contacts. The services are largely system administration and content management. As individuals, they lack the organisational structure to bid for larger projects. Community based development projects lack the accountability required to deliver results. (2) The LUG as a space for a physical face-to-face meeting has long been redundant with increased use of collaboratories based on internet technologies. LUG meetings now have sparse attendance. The LUG needs to redefine its role. Post Freed.in/2009, we have discussed a few models in which an organisation could serve as an umbrella to funnel projects to community development. (1) Serve as a message board and match-making role The list presently allows commercial offerings to be made. (This could be more formal such as e.g. [1]) While the list works sufficiently well for outsourcing minor components of projects by organisations that control the project's funding, this does not work for government funded projects which do not permit solicitation. (2) A FOSS based organisation that has developed a corporate structure and business model to employ community participants in relevant projects would be ideal. I am not aware of any such organisation, and if these exist they are not relevant in govt. bids. Most organisations also work with a closed group of employees, and do not allow space for skill and project-based employment. I propose that ILUGD takes on this role. There have to be some changes in its structure for this to happen: A shift from a volunteer based management to a secretariat which would be required for responding to RFPs and project management, as well as some system of managing accountability. Employees are not permanent but work on a project based on skills, and we could tap skills through moonlighting as well. Steering clear of commenting on the merits/demerits of your idea, I would like to suggest that we let the LUG be what it is, which is structureless and amorphous. It should evolve on its own, without any intelligent definition or design. However, starting a separate organisation with a well defined goal and support from LUG members, may be a good idea. Unless of course, you were referring to that ILUGD which is separate from this list, in which case I eat my words and reserve my opinion. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] freedom pdf readers
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, hopefully, someone will soon realize the huge gaps to cover for a full drop-in replacement. http://pdfreaders.org/ DjVu (http://djvu.sourceforge.net/), both the format and the viewer, are under GNU GPL. And from what I've seen so far, it has a VERY high quality to size ratio.. Seems like the open source community would be better off investigating alternative formats like these rather than playing catchup with Adobe. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Interesting article - Microsoft: Litigate on FAT, and you'll be the next Unisys
From http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9594 Until now, Microsoft has never pursued any vendor with patent litigation who has used Linux and FAT32 in a consumer electronics product. According to Open Source evangelist and SAMBA developer Jeremy Allison, on a recent comment on Glyn Moody’s open source blog, that’s because of back-door, secret cross-licensing agreements that were established between the vendors and Microsoft concerning the infringing patents in question which would preclude that from happening. Be it as it may, according to Allison, all of these have occurred without the knowledge of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) which originates the GPL2 license. Although such a scenario has never been tested, were the FSF to become aware of such a secret agreement, they would immediately prohibit the vendor from using the Linux kernel in any of their products, as a patent cross-licensing agreement described above would constitute a severe GPL2 violation. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [x-post][OT]? Response to Misleading News Article - Netbook Security
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) dines...@gmail.com wrote: H! I have posted a rebuttal about a misleading article about netbook security @ http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ The links to original articles are there in the post but I am including here as well. http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE52201120090303 http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=d1b8ded8-f7be-448b-88b2-7226ac01200d Let me play the devils advocate here. Why do we care about this magazine article? Simply because it doesn't acknowledge GNU/Linux? The fact remains that windows machines without antivirus' and firewalls ARE insecure and that's all the article states. Granted, the article has zero research behind it and entitles the reader to a rant about the steady decline of quality in journalism but why are we venting it out on a Linux mailing list? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Talking about copyrighted material but a little OT. On one of the ISO 27001 related mailing lists I am subscribed to, where most of the people are auditors, copyrights are given very high respect/priority. If someone sends some copyrighted material without any proper permissions from the author, he/she is out of the list immediately and this is what the list admin says: Goodbye copyright_violator. If anyone else would like to leave the mailing list, simply unsubscribe yourself or send me an email request if that's too hard: there's no need to post copyright materials here without permission just to get yourself booted off the list ... The way I see it, foss is all about being reasonable, and having an appropriate level of respect of other peoples time and effort. The free/cc licenses are meant to allow civilised people to use other people's content within the boundaries of that reason. Shirish's way of attribution seemed perfectly reasonable to me but was apparently not compliant with the license. Makes me think that perhaps the license needs to be relaxed a bit. We need to encourage people who are just trying to spread the good word of foss, not alienate them. With Free communities, carrots work better than sticks.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 04 Mar 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: The way I see it, foss is all about being reasonable, and having an appropriate level of respect of other peoples time and effort. The free/cc licenses are meant to allow civilised people to use other people's content within the boundaries of that reason. Shirish's way of attribution seemed perfectly reasonable to me but was apparently not compliant with the license. Makes me think that perhaps the license needs to be relaxed a bit. We need to encourage people who are just trying to spread the good word of foss, not alienate them. With Free communities, carrots work better than sticks.. Unfortunately Shirish' postings under a specific licence are incompatible with the spirit of mailing lists. Actually I was referring to the discussion about the freed.in pictures he posted on his blog. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Offline wikipedia...
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:24 AM, shantanu choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Here is the link to a project http://code.google.com/p/offline-wikipedia/ . I have been working on this idea from last two months or so.Although in this ever-connecting world via internet, this idea seems to be obsolete, but right now we are far away from that situation(atleast 2 years). And untill then i think this application might prove handy. Target of this project is to come out with DVD distribution, having all the content of english wikipedia, and if some-one wishes to install it, it should be able to do so in less then 5G space(One can give that much space given the cheap rates of memmory now a days) and finally make it good enough that it can make upto this link http://download.wikimedia.org/dvd.html . What we really need is a way to update the downloaded content periodically. Wikipedia content changes everyday and one does not wish to download several GB when only a few MB might actually have changed. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Weird function key behaviour on HP Mininote running Ubuntu
Hi all, I have Ubuntu 8.10 running on an HP Mininote PC. Yesterday I noticed that the keys double-mapped to the numpad keys were not functioning properly. For example - 'P' usually turns into '*' while the function key is pressed but now pressing 'P' would echo '*' whether the function key is pressed or not. I rebooted the system multiple times to no avail and after struggling with it for about an hour, when I was just about to give up, everything started working as normal! Now I cannot reproduce the problem.. What do you guys think? Could it be an Ubuntu thing or should I get the hardware checked? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Superbug In Trash?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Vivek Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/2008 09:10 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I unhide the hidden .Trash folder of that partition and found the deleted data there and cut paste into another folder of the same partition. But I c In Ubuntu 8.04, /home/user/.Trash is no longer there. Instead its now in /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files Right Any suggestion on the same? Or should I file a bug report on Launchpad? I am not sure about the unhiding .Trash folder part. What did you do? View - Show Hidden Files? Try simulating it again. You can create a file using $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file.big count=1024k bs=50 This will create 50MB file. Replace 50 with the size of file you want. Similarly change file.big to the name as per your preference. You meant - $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file.big count=50 bs=1024k -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Superbug In Trash?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Vivek Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/2008 12:09 AM, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Vivek Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip file using $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file.big count=1024k bs=50 This will create 50MB file. Replace 50 with the size of file you want. Similarly change file.big to the name as per your preference. You meant - $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file.big count=50 bs=1024k Yes of course :-( I felt I was incorrect, but didn't review it. However, run the command that I've mentioned and it'll still create a 50MB file, albeit takes too much time obviously. Hmm.. count=1024k *should* mean 1024000 and not 1024*1024! So your command should create a file of smaller size.. :) -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] RMS Says Cloud Computing Is Trap
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today every company is talking about Cloud computing, but RMS has rejected as a trap and it truly is. How much sense does it make to adopt technologies pushed by some companies which could further lock us in. We are struggling to get out of non-free and jail created by MS and colonial cousins, before we could break that another jail is awaiting. As much as I respect RMS, he does have a habit of condemning things without suggesting an alternative. I need my data to be available everywhere. Not only that, I need my data to be processable everywhere as well. When I switch machines, the UI should change as little as possible and the data should not change at all! Without complicated software installation/importing/exporting steps! That's the problem that web2.0 / cloud computing solves. If someone could come up with a viable free solution for it then people will happily switch. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] RMS Says Cloud Computing Is Trap
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am disagreeing is with the FOSS world not attempting to even touch the technology because the closed source business model is the only one we see. The technology is really attractive, and there is no doubt that if the right FOSS business model is found, it would benefit a lot of people without compromising the software freedom that we have today. Exactly. Maybe opening up the data storage and exchange formats is part of the key. For example, gmail allows pop/smtp access, which means that your data is not be locked inside the gmail jail, even if the software is not free. Does that make it more acceptable than, say, hotmail? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] 'Newbie' Linuxes have me stumped!!
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, gajendra khanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should allow you to do the reconfiguration. If the xorg.conf has the display you want (maybe not the default one) you can change it with the kde utility krandrtray. I did that, its asks me for keyboard and all, and then finishes, and writes xorg.conf without any display info at all. I think I am going to mandriva. Will install that today and see. With 256MB of ram OpenSuse is just dying. Don't blame Ubuntu for problems with a specific package. The latest versions of xorg (supposedly) ship with smart detection of video hardware and you (usually) don't have to configure anything to get it to work. No matter what distribution you switch to, you will get the same behaviour. If it doesn't work for you then try googling for a solution. Here's a lead to get you started - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dpkg-reconfigure-xserver-xorg-alternative-on-lenny-661431/ -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mother tongue based programming languages
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Abhishek Choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip facts about Hindawi Development of a generic framework which allows members of a multi lingual team to code in their respective local languages is a worthy achievement on it's own. Congratulations to the Hindawi team! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Reboot a frozen system using REISUB
http://fosswire.com/2007/09/08/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/ The next time your linux system freezes and even Ctrl-Alt-Del does nothing, try typing in REISUB while holding down Alt and SysReq! Found this via some cool ubuntu cheat sheets here - http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=88382file1=88382-1.pngfile2=file3=name=ubuntu%20quick%20guide%20command%20wallpaper and here - http://fosswire.com/2008/04/22/ubuntu-cheat-sheet/ -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mail authentication
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 11 Sep 2008, Sudev Barar wrote: 2008/9/11 आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good time to start using PGP :). Lets have a key-signing party this software freedom day :). Yes. But I am using gmail for list work and that does not (yet?) support signing. Better that I move to using MUA for all mails. Let's pray to whatever Gods or Chaos or Probability we believe in that they never do. GPG/PGP on a web-mail service is an oxymoron -- the whole point of personal privacy is lost if you're delegating signing and/or verification to some III-party. Yes but a *mutually trusted* third party. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FTP Server for linux based embedded device
Hi all, I am looking for suggestions on a small FOSS based FTP Server for a small embedded device running linux. I have been tinkering with TinyFTP till now but it does not support passive mode which is a deal breaker for my application. Plus it does not seem to be very well supported. Vsftpd looks promising but seems to require PAM to plug in samba authentication. How difficult would be to customise Vsftpd for samba authentication without PAM? i don't mind getting down and dirty with C code but would like to avoid it if possible (web based apps are really my b. b.) Any help would be much appreciated! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Sify Vs Linux
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, As most of you are aware of my problem with Sify. The problem has not been solved yet. While I can access the Internet using Windows, I cannot do the same with GNU/Linux distros. Should I not file a case with Consumer Forum? What do you suggest? Any one on the list using SIFY connection? Do you face similar problem? Are you using the official Sify client for GNU/Linux? If so then FYI it's worse than useless. I used Sify a loong time back (and the decision to switch for MTNL was one of the best decisions I took in my life). I had to use a 3rd party app by Bhushan Tiwari to get it working - find the code at http://n.domaindlx.com/ujjwal/linux/sify_tweaked2.c. Also read this thread - http://article.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi/17095/. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Ubuntu Hardy and Intel 965GM graphics chipset
Just thought I'd share this little tip I discovered while trying to get Ubuntu Hardy working on my laptop (Which has an Intel 965GM graphics chipset) in the hope that it helps someone else in a similar situation. On my machine atleast, the default maximum video mode supported by Hardy was 1024x768. Reconfiguring xorg using dpkg did not do anything useful and displayconfig-gtk is buggy and was completely useless. After much mucking around with xorg.conf, I discovered a simple fix - change the display driver from vesa to intel! A Ctrl-Alt-Backspace later I was staring at 1200x800 resolution in all it's glory! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Interesting article
Quoting the first paragraph - If you've ever used Microsoft Access or Excel, you have likely used a product that Mike Gunderloy had a hand in developing. The irony is that Gunderloy himself doesn't use those products anymore. He's given up Microsoft for open source -- and he's not going back. http://www.linux.com/feature/142083 -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Bash script to get maximum directory depth
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:56:43 +0530
Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:45, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:32:13 +0530
Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you could use the following script
basedir=$1;
find $basedir -type d|sed s#$basedir##g | awk -F'/' '{print NF-1 \n}'
|
sort -n | tail -1;
invoke this using
$./script.sh dir
[...]
Try it with a directory named My Documents.
Yeah, sorry that wont work. Any workarounds? keeping in mind non
availability of printf.
[...]
Sorry, this had slipped into my Reply Later buffer. In a shell
script, you have to quote any variable that might contain spaces.
Thus,
basedir=$1
find $basedir | sed s#$basedir##g | awk -F'/' '{print NF}' | sort -n |
tail -1
However, if one is using gawk, or a modern awk, one can get it to replace
sed (and, with some more work, probably sort, and tail also), viz.,
find $1 | gawk -vbasedir=$1 -F/ '{gsub(basedir, , $0); print NF-1}' |
sort -n | tail -1
Nice solution! Not strictly required for my current problem but good
to remember.. Much appreciated :)
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[ilugd] Bash script to get maximum directory depth
Hi all, Does anyone know of a way to get the maximum directory nesting, starting from the specified base, using standard Linux commands only (no php/perl/python etc.)? e.g. if the directory structure is as follows - d1 -d2 --d3 ---d4 -d5 --d6 I need a shell script which will give me the answer 4 (i.e. depth of the deepest directory - d4). Googling has given me no answers and I am not sure if it can even be done elegantly in bash/sed/awk etc. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Bash script to get maximum directory depth
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anupam Jain wrote:
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a way to get the maximum directory nesting,
starting from the specified base, using standard Linux commands only
(no php/perl/python etc.)?
e.g. if the directory structure is as follows -
d1
-d2
--d3
---d4
-d5
--d6
I need a shell script which will give me the answer 4 (i.e. depth of
the deepest directory - d4).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ % find . -type d -printf '%d\n' |sort -n |tail -1
Thanks for the quick replies Gora and Ashish!
Actually even though I said bash, I am running this on busybox which
does not support -printf for the find command. But I drew enough
inspiration from your solution to come up with -
find -type d | awk -F'/' '{print NF-1 \n}' | sort -n | tail -1
Which works just as well :)
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Re: [ilugd] Bash script to get maximum directory depth
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Puneet Lakhina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:28, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anupam
Jain wrote:
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a way to get the maximum directory nesting,
starting from the specified base, using standard Linux commands only
(no php/perl/python etc.)?
e.g. if the directory structure is as follows -
d1
-d2
--d3
---d4
-d5
--d6
I need a shell script which will give me the answer 4 (i.e. depth of
the deepest directory - d4).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ % find . -type d -printf '%d\n' |sort -n |tail -1
Thanks for the quick replies Gora and Ashish!
Actually even though I said bash, I am running this on busybox which
does not support -printf for the find command. But I drew enough
inspiration from your solution to come up with -
find -type d | awk -F'/' '{print NF-1 \n}' | sort -n | tail -1
This wont well with absolute directory names.
for e.g. if you use
find /home/username -type d | awk -F'/' '{print NF-1 \n}' | sort -n | tail
-1
then it will add 2 (corresponding to /home/username) to the max dpeth. This
is because the paths returned from the find command are of the sort
/home/username/dird1 (depth as per awk expression 3. Actual depth relative
to base path 1)
/home/username/dir1/dird2 (depth as per awk expression 4 Actual depth
relative to base path 2)
You should use something like following if you dont have printf
find /home/user -type d | sed 's/^\/home\/user//g' | awk -F'/' '{print NF-1
\n}' | sort -n | tail -1
essentially remove out the base search path from the find result strings.
Interesting! Now the question is - is there a way to *painlessly*
specify the directory argument (/home/user in this case) only *once*
and get the same result? Even if I put this one liner in a shell
script and refer to $1 in both places, it seems I will still need to
escape slashes before passing it to sed and another sed expression
would make this nice one liner a bit clutzy.
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Re: [ilugd] Java - is it an albatross?
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 22:44, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomcat is not a production capable server. Umm why exactly? These unqualified statements arent really helpful. http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/PoweredBy Ok I revise my statement. If it suits your requirements, you may well deploy Tomcat on production setups, but in my few years in J2EE development, I have never encountered a reasonably sized company opting to do so. I haven't handled a full J2EE development project for some time now so things may have changed. And standalone jsps cannot hope to compare with stadalone php pages so it's not a fair comparison. Could you please elaborate here? I dont know too much PHP, this would be really helpful. This I standby, though I will not claim having kept up to date on J2EE to be able to indulge in a detailed point by point comparison. Jsps are crippled without a servlet or two thrown in. On top of that Jsp development requires you to keep in mind that jsps are ultimately servlet objects themselves running in a container with a lifecycle which has it's own nuances to take care of, requiring a bit of an effort to get advanced functionality out of Jsps (Request and response objects?? Once you get to echo whatever, you will not go back). Also, from what I have experienced, the most painful aspects of jsps come from the fact that Java is unsuitable as a scripting language. It just doesn't fit in the quick and dirty web development model and starts to get on your nerves after a while. Lastly, many supposedly cool jsp features require you to break out of jsps and into to-the-metal coding (e.g. custom tags). -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Java - is it an albatross?
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 20 Jun 2008, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] Tomcat is not a production capable server. And standalone jsps cannot hope to compare with stadalone php pages so it's not a fair comparison. The fact remains - a production J2EE system is much harder to deploy than a production LAMP system. But... but... but that's because a J2EE system is a framework, while a LAMP system (e.g. Drupal) is just an application! We're comparing elephants and snake charmers here. If you mean that a J2EE app is not an application per se but requires the container to run, then that's just a technicality, and yes, agreed, but does the frameworkyness of J2EE buy something beyond what a LAMP system can provide? is a valid question which will necessitate the comparison above. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Java - is it an albatross?
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:32, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Puneet Lakhina [20/06/08 17:34 +0530]: Shorter learning curve argument doesnt hold, I dont see why for an average person it would be easier to learn PHP instead JSP/Servlets. or why it would be difficult to set up tomcat over apache with mod php. Then you need to get a fresh look at it. Any standard linux installation nowadays (which installs apache by default) has out of the box PHP support, and all person needs to do after picking up his/her first PHP book is to open a text editor, code, save, and refresh his browser :). And provided he doesn't make stupid newbie security mistakes, his application is ready for the web and can handle considerable amount of real traffic. If you can say the same for Tomcat for example(don't get me started on my quite outdated views of jboss here), I will admit that I really should update myself and will withdraw my claims. :) Ok for tomcat. this is how it is - download, unzip, make myfirstwebapp folder in $MYTOMCATINSTALL/webapps, create hello.jsp (which you can edit in ur favourite editor). start tomcat. Refresh. Thats pretty much it. I havent ever used jboss, but if basic webapps all you want to do that is you dont need the j2ee stuff like ejbs n the lot , then I dont think you should be using jboss. Tomcat is not a production capable server. And standalone jsps cannot hope to compare with stadalone php pages so it's not a fair comparison. The fact remains - a production J2EE system is much harder to deploy than a production LAMP system. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Notetakers Annotators in Linux
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angad Singh wrote: [snip] On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Mani A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have plenty of excellent open source s/w for the purpose: http://www.dklevine.com/general/software/tc1000/jarnal.htm http://www.adebenham.com/gournal/ [/snip] It's the web2.0 age and we like our data to be 'in the cloud' these days and as such, I would rather prefer an online note-taking solution, so that you have your notes wherever you go, regardless of your platform or whether on PC or mobile. Google notebook does a good job at that with it's firefox plugin and it's mobile version at http://www.google.com/notebook/m. You might consider other firefox plugins while you're at it: Zotero (a complete researching tool, allows you to save web pages, take notes). Going on a completely different track, the filthy rich could consider getting LiveScribe, an amazing technology which was showcased in ths year's JavaONE at James Gosling's toy show. It is a 'smartpen'. It records what you write on paper inside it's memory along with your voice and can replay on tapping on to any word you wrote down earlier. It can be programmed using java to recognize written gestures to perform some kind of computation. (like a built in calculator, translator, etc.) ;) Angad, you missed the point completely. Reread the thread once, this time try parsing whats been said, then try again The standard of this mailing list is going down everyday. Angad i hope you don't let comments (and people) like these dissuade you from continuing to be on this list, there's some good people still left here. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [ILUG-BOM] X-post - survey of FOSS success stories
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: The goal of the study is to bring out into public a reliable and independent compilation of some instances where FOSS implementation has been carried out successfully in India. http://skoch.in/html/skoch_redhat_world_is_open_awa3.html has a list of projects and there are a few more with IOSN / APDIP Also Linux has recently been fully adopted by all Delhi courts. From what I remember, they run a rebranded RedHat based distro. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Wikipedia dump anyone?
Does anyone have a recent dump of wikipedia articles (downloadable at http://download.wikimedia.org/) in any format? It's a great resource for when you are traveling with no internet access :) -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Tinyurl [WAS: Re: Fwd: Fwd: M$ Tax Refund Quest]
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 20 May 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:10 AM, sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: French guys consolidated a guide for this http://tinyurl.com/5ltdvl Please don't post tinyurls to lists. A number of people (including me) treat all tinyurls as suspect, for a number of reasons: snip - A malicious user could post a tinyurl to a malware/infection URL. I thought people on a Linux mailing list would largely be immune to this! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: Fwd: M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17-May-08, at 12:11 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: have exchanged a few emails with the editor of Express Computer as well. he, well, for lack of a better word, expressed, his views on the topic, and wondered why buy a laptop with windows if you do not want that OS, just go ahead and buy the one with gnulinux. he also stated what he thought would be the process for such a refund. I do not see why we should not reward those manufacturers that treat linux with respect and buy hardware from them. Maybe a small sacrifice that one will not get the 'exact' config one wants - but then, that is the price of freedom ... Or maybe 'punish' the ones that don't by asking for refunds.. Just as effective in my opinion and you can buy whatever machine you want.. It's the age of the consumer isn't it! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Where do I get tar.gz for these libraries
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tanveer Singh writes: Tanveer One question though, in windows if application A is playing something, and I Tanveer start application B which plays some other sound, I usually hear a mix of Tanveer both through the speakers, can such a thing happen in linux too? Tanveer Just speculating. This is what sound servers are invented for ? Multiplexing. Instead of your app, sound servers open your sound card device file, and your app communicates with those sound servers over TCP|UDP/IP, Unix domain sockets, or any other IPC or network protocol you can think of. ESounD/aRTSd/jackd/pulseaudio/nasd etc... are sound servers. But the good (or bad) thing is that there is no standard protocol for communication with sound servers, so you need to hack for each sound server. And each sound server has its own pros/cons. And some sound servers even expose themselves as an ALSA plugin, PulseAudio is one such sound server. So if your app understands ALSA, all audio data is routed to PulseAudio via PulseAudio's ALSA plugin. So your ALSA app can use PulseAudio without being aware of PulseAudio :) . BtW, there is another sound system, known as OSS[1] which is the standard sound system in Unix (FreeBSD uses OSS). So if you're writing a cross-platform app, you need to target OSS. So the answer to query is you need to chose a appropriate sound server. rant For something so fundamental to an OS (playing multiple sounds without giving up), the *ideal* right answer would be It works out of the box.. Sadly goes to show that the Linux flock is still quite some distance away from the promised land.. /rant -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
