Re: [newbie-it] configurare porta parallela
Renato wrote: Alle 22:20, mercoledì 20 marzo 2002, hai scritto: hello boys nessuno sa dirmi come posso riconfigurare la porta parallela? ciao a tutti Perché devi configurarla? Forse non hai accesso alla porta da user? Ciao Renato non riuscivo a stampare. Da bios l'ho settata su EPP (era ECP) ed ora funziona ciao.
[newbie-it] floppy
Salve a tutti Ho un problema non da pocoil floppy non funziona benee non ho un dik di boot! quindi vorrei rimediare prima che winzow mi faccia partire uno scandisk e mi bruci il GUB In poche parole non riesco ne a scrivere ne ad aprire i floppy in linux, con win mi fa scrivere con dificolta(solita schermata blu ma poi i dati sono salvati)e legge normalmente. Mi sapreste dire che potrei fare per creare un dico di boot da scrivere sotto win? grazie per gli eventuali consigli Ciao , Tom
Re: Re[4]: [newbie-it] mi e' morto Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 06:37, sabato 23 marzo 2002, Arwan ha scritto: Ciao miKe! Ciao! m nella tua home, ed in /tmp m dovresti trovare l'immondizia generata dalla conversione degli mp3 E' che non so dove cercare! Nelle cartelle /temp non ho trovato nulla di sospetto... Per dovere di cronaca: ho ancora qualche problemino con la gestione dei runlevel. riesco sempre a trovare una scappatoia, cosi' non mi son piu' presa la briga di affrontare il problema. In giro per le mail che mi hai mandato (e che ho stampato come riferimento) ho comunque tutte le istruzioni per farcela... almeno spero... ok! per la gestione dei runlevel trovi tutto sugli appunti di Informatica Libera errori del server x m (errori che ritrovi anche in /var/log... XFree86.0.log per X; m messages e syslog per il sistema) Ho trovato un solo warning ed un solo errore, e sinceramente per me sono arabo. Di tutti gli altri messaggi non so se c'e' qualcosa di significativo, ma a occhi mi pare di no. Ecco i due msg incriminati: (WW) MGA(0): Video BIOS info block not detected! (EE) MGA(1): Not initializing the DRI on the second head hai una Matrox dual head? Bello!! hai un warning perchè Xfree non trova una qualche informazione, quindi non ti viene inizializzata la seconda uscita video ma non dovrebbe essere questo a bloccarti xfree (non ho purtroppo una DH quindi per info più precise passo..) Aspetta... nel file message, nella stessa cartella, c'e' scritto: Mar 20 19:08:38 localhost syslogd: /var/log/secure: No space left on device hai terminato lo spazio su disco!! dai un # df cosa ti riporta? Il programma con cui stavo lavorando era gimp, e non avevo settato cartelle particolari; sai dove metta i suoi file temporanei di default? se hai installato tutto come da default gimp ti ha messo la sua /tmp in /root/.gimp-xxx/ idem il suo swap quindi è li che dovresti trovare il tutto... che dimensione ha assunto la directory /root/.gimp-xx? bye miKe __ Slackware 8 GNU/Linux 2.4.18 hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nLXpF/9fksDJ4y0RAu3HAJ922N6dy3OYbbs1TBfQIJ1KnQZxEwCfRKkT bt+XifhucP2H6zGz/iHkdg4= =fVxT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie-it] copia sui floppy
Scusate, se la domanda è un pò banale, ma mi sono accorto che le operazioni di copia dei files sui floppy soffrono di un incredibile delay che nelle distribuzioni precedenti (ora uso MDK8.1) non mi era sembrato così lungo! E' normale? Si può dire a linux che le operazioni di copia deve eseguirle in tempo reale e non quando pare a lui? Grazie Nicola.
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:19:51 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: you guys are weird. i swear... totally weird. geeky isn't the word i'd use either...thats too nice ;) Femme O come on Femme...say what you really feel. ;) -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 12:05am up 9 days, 1:45, 3 users, load average: 1.64, 1.31, 0.85 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Powerdown problem
My PC is a Compaq Presario 7990 There's your problem, it is a Compaq. :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Powerdown problem
My PC is a Compaq Presario 7990 There's your problem, it is a Compaq. :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Uptime in signature?
Is there not a hack to get the output from a normal text line in a email signature file? I would like my signature file to look like : -- === Hylton Conacher on KDE 2.1.1 on kernel 2.4.3-20mdk#1 Registered Linux user # 229959 on Mandrake 8 on an i686 (AMD 1 Ghz K7 mobo echo `/usr/bin/uptime` Licenced Windows user Fortune cookie saying === Surely there is a way for a text file to retrieve the uptime information i.e. with an before it or whatever. I do not want to have to create a script for it but want the uptime to automatically be inserted into my signature whenever I type a new message. Text file scripting guru's we need your comments. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Uptime in signature?
Is there not a hack to get the output from a normal text line in a email signature file? I would like my signature file to look like : -- === Hylton Conacher on KDE 2.1.1 on kernel 2.4.3-20mdk#1 Registered Linux user # 229959 on Mandrake 8 on an i686 (AMD 1 Ghz K7 mobo echo `/usr/bin/uptime` Licenced Windows user Fortune cookie saying === Surely there is a way for a text file to retrieve the uptime information i.e. with an before it or whatever. I do not want to have to create a script for it but want the uptime to automatically be inserted into my signature whenever I type a new message. Text file scripting guru's we need your comments. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Uptime in signature?
Hello Hylton, Saturday, March 23, 2002, 5:04:44 PM, you wrote: HCZ Is there not a hack to get the output from a normal text line in a email HCZ signature file? I had something like that a while ago IIRC, I add these lines to crontab # # Add 'uptime' to .sig file 0,20 * * * * root /home/cj/sig # and set my email client to use the sig file -- Best regards, Colinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] saving the power supply unit
Greg, I think that the USB ports issue as Femme indicated are probably totally separate to your system clagging out after some idle time. I would maybe suspect some highly intelligent piece of hardware that goes to sleep to save energy then decides not to wake up again. Do you notice disks spinning down - anything like that. How does it look when it locks up? Is the screen blank? Have you tried the old alt-SysRq-rseiu routine? Sacrificing virgins? etc. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 21:21, Michael wrote: Greg: Try looking at CPU Usage after a day or two's running. For a GUI tool for this i use kpm, on the kde menu (at least in my old ML7.1) it is Applications Monitoring Process Management You can click on the CPU column to sort by process using most/least cycles. Look for a process that steadily uses more and more CPU %. I also had a problem with logrotate that meant that it was filling my /var/log/mail and /var/log/news with backups of the backups of the backups ad infinitum. Thousands of files in one directory :o( This was probably fixed in later versions. Michael Greg wrote: One of the things it does is lock up after it sits for a few days without being used Another thing is the task bar in KDE disappears if it has not been rebooted for awhile I am thinking it might have some thing to do with my USB ports which do not work I am too new to Linux I dont know where the log files would be Greg -- When in panic, fear and doubt, Drink in barrels, eat, and shout. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 8.2 so far
Shane, Now you'll just get Rigby all upset and he'll respond with a fourteen page questionaire for your wife to fill in proving she's a geek who cannot be safely allowed to cross the road without computer guidance. Please stop with these success stories. You'll just encourage people to expect it to be easy. I'm a computer consultant. If it's not hard I don't make a living! So come clean. She's a computer science Phd who writes compilers in vi right? cheers Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:17, shane wrote: well i finally got 8.2, mostly cause my brother in-law got it onto the university server and gave me access. talk about slashdot effect. anyway. to test the current it can't be installed spam from a certain party that has appeared lately on the mandrake newbies mailing list, i had my wife install it on a slave drive on her win2k machine. she couldn't do it. turns out she didn't know our dns address. i told her and she had no other problems creating a dual boot machine. she must be a geek. ;-) after using it for the past couple of days to write docs, play music, surf and read email, along with a short cd-burning side trip, her comments on it? well it certainly is faster the 2000 and nothing has crashed yet! i don't have the heart to tell her she 1) hasn't enough RAM to run at a real speed 2) she is using the memory munching KDE with all the eye candy turned on (she turned it on, but does she know how much of a hit that takes?) and 3) she is running setiathome in the background. that can't help. -- The linux philosophy is laugh in the face of danger. Oops. Wrong one. 'Do it yourself.' That's it. -L. Torvalds shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems
OK John, Let's take this a step at a time. First let's establish what you have - please correct any mistakes: - 2 computers, one with 2 network cards installed and the other with one. - a cable modem or adsl modem connected to a line and with lights on. - a hub to whci both computers are connected, or a crossed cable between the computers. Since I know you are in Sydney - same time zone as me - let's just establish that much first and go from there. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 16:43, John Lynch wrote: I know this must have been answered a MILLION and EIGHT times, but I just installed Mandrake, and I have read SOME of the Archives and couldn't find anything. SO your patience is greatly ENVIED and APPRECIATED. I am in Australia, and I have cable with Telstra. I do not know my IP address, I do not know what a hostname is, I do not know anything about my internet connection, so when I installed Mandrake Linux I left it all blank. HOW do I find out the required information? I also have a LAN (2 computers networked) I do not know if they are working. I have not explored the Mandrake system yet due to the fact i want my internet connection and LAN working before my family know what I've done. (they just got home) ALSO I am TERRIBLY sorry if this has already been answered, I am quite sick atm so please forgive me. But How do I access LILO (so I can make XP my default OS and it goes to XP after waiting 5 seconds for me to specify otherwise) in Gnome (that's the desktop I have). THANKYOU very much. John _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 8.2 breaking things
I just installed Mandrake 8.2. Everything looks okay, except for the fact that there are several programs I have that ran under 8.1 that when I install them in 8.2 come up with dependency errors. One program is WordPerfect 8; it won't install at all. Another is Opera 6, which is looking for a file I can't find. I just reinstalled 8.1 and all is well again. Are other people having these kinds of problems? Incidentally, the problems I'm having crop up with a clean install as well as an upgrade from 8.1. Thanks, -- Jonathan Dlouhy Saturday, March 23, 2002 Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems
Thanks a lot Brain for helping btw. okay. THIS is going to take a lot, due to the fact i know NOTHING about computers (but I've gotten this far and learnt a lot, the main thing I've learnt is how little I know about computers, lol) - Yup I have 2 computers. NO IDEA about the network cards, how I do check that? is it important? - I have a cable modem. and Yes the lights are on, on my special modem that telstra supplied (or else this e-mail would be a miracle) - I don't think I have a hub (I've seen one before and I'm pretty sure I don't have one). I only have 2 computers so I am 99% sure my Dad just got a crossed cable between the 2. (I do know that my Windows XP/Linux computer has to be on for my Windows 98 computer to work =( it's annoying). Hope that's a help. From: Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK John, Let's take this a step at a time. First let's establish what you have - please correct any mistakes: - 2 computers, one with 2 network cards installed and the other with one. - a cable modem or adsl modem connected to a line and with lights on. - a hub to whci both computers are connected, or a crossed cable between the computers. Since I know you are in Sydney - same time zone as me - let's just establish that much first and go from there. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 16:43, John Lynch wrote: I know this must have been answered a MILLION and EIGHT times, but I just installed Mandrake, and I have read SOME of the Archives and couldn't find anything. SO your patience is greatly ENVIED and APPRECIATED. I am in Australia, and I have cable with Telstra. I do not know my IP address, I do not know what a hostname is, I do not know anything about my internet connection, so when I installed Mandrake Linux I left it all blank. HOW do I find out the required information? I also have a LAN (2 computers networked) I do not know if they are working. I have not explored the Mandrake system yet due to the fact i want my internet connection and LAN working before my family know what I've done. (they just got home) ALSO I am TERRIBLY sorry if this has already been answered, I am quite sick atm so please forgive me. But How do I access LILO (so I can make XP my default OS and it goes to XP after waiting 5 seconds for me to specify otherwise) in Gnome (that's the desktop I have). THANKYOU very much. John _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems
Let's check the network card connections first. Follow the cable from the Telstra modem back to your computer. Where it connects wil be one network card. There is presumably another network card close by with a similar cable which connects to yet another network card in your W98 machine. i.e. XP/Linux box -- W98 box | | Telstra modem I now need to boot XP to refresh my memory on where to tell you to look next - happens so rarely these days I'm getting rusty on Windoze - and loving it! Verify we are right so far while I do that. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 22:26, John Lynch wrote: Thanks a lot Brain for helping btw. okay. THIS is going to take a lot, due to the fact i know NOTHING about computers (but I've gotten this far and learnt a lot, the main thing I've learnt is how little I know about computers, lol) - Yup I have 2 computers. NO IDEA about the network cards, how I do check that? is it important? - I have a cable modem. and Yes the lights are on, on my special modem that telstra supplied (or else this e-mail would be a miracle) - I don't think I have a hub (I've seen one before and I'm pretty sure I don't have one). I only have 2 computers so I am 99% sure my Dad just got a crossed cable between the 2. (I do know that my Windows XP/Linux computer has to be on for my Windows 98 computer to work =( it's annoying). Hope that's a help. From: Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK John, Let's take this a step at a time. First let's establish what you have - please correct any mistakes: - 2 computers, one with 2 network cards installed and the other with one. - a cable modem or adsl modem connected to a line and with lights on. - a hub to whci both computers are connected, or a crossed cable between the computers. Since I know you are in Sydney - same time zone as me - let's just establish that much first and go from there. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 16:43, John Lynch wrote: I know this must have been answered a MILLION and EIGHT times, but I just installed Mandrake, and I have read SOME of the Archives and couldn't find anything. SO your patience is greatly ENVIED and APPRECIATED. I am in Australia, and I have cable with Telstra. I do not know my IP address, I do not know what a hostname is, I do not know anything about my internet connection, so when I installed Mandrake Linux I left it all blank. HOW do I find out the required information? I also have a LAN (2 computers networked) I do not know if they are working. I have not explored the Mandrake system yet due to the fact i want my internet connection and LAN working before my family know what I've done. (they just got home) ALSO I am TERRIBLY sorry if this has already been answered, I am quite sick atm so please forgive me. But How do I access LILO (so I can make XP my default OS and it goes to XP after waiting 5 seconds for me to specify otherwise) in Gnome (that's the desktop I have). THANKYOU very much. John _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Internet sharing problems.
Hi! A few days ago I got my Internet connection working under Mandrake. Now I want to share my Internet connection with my other PC. Under Windows XP it is working correctly so the hardware setup is okay. I can't use the Internet from my second PC I can however ping 192.168.0.1 (The server) and even better I can ping the 2nd network card which is installed in the server from the client! I even can do a ping to www.google.com for example the name is translated to an IP-address (is that the DNS server???) but the ping doesn't come through. So the translation is there but the real ping isn't working :-( Anybody has any ideas? I allready tried the Internet Sharing wizard but that doesn't work :-( Hope on some positive answers :-) Greets and thanks in advance, Drosera. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14-3-2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shane (OT)
i asked myself that very question a couple of days ago ( and thinking about that same signature ) i copied the first line or two and searched fot ir on google... i found some pretty cool articles. you should do it too. Damian Where are you getting these amazing quotes? quote -- Microsoft has knowingly and willfully concealed information regarding security flaws in computer hardware from the [National Security Agency] out of fear that revealing such flaws would reduce the number of copies of its products that would be purchased by the government... I have raised this issue internally with Microsoft, and in return have been the subject of both bribes and threats. -ED CURRY, Computer Security Specialist, in a letter to Defense Secretary William Coen /quote Michael -- When in panic, fear and doubt, Drink in barrels, eat, and shout. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems
BUGGER!! I'm sorry, but I can't check my network card connections. A giant cupboard is in the way, and I can't get to it. I am 80% sure this is how I am connected. 1 network card in each. telstra modem is connected to WINXP/LINUX, WINXP/LINUX is then connected to WIN98. OOH just got an idea. okay, when I go to the DOS prompt and type in ipconfig it says Windows IP Configuration Ethernet adapter Bigpond: details Ethernet adater LAN: details I HOPE that answers your question. John From: Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems Date: 23 Mar 2002 22:42:05 +1100 Let's check the network card connections first. Follow the cable from the Telstra modem back to your computer. Where it connects wil be one network card. There is presumably another network card close by with a similar cable which connects to yet another network card in your W98 machine. i.e. XP/Linux box -- W98 box | | Telstra modem I now need to boot XP to refresh my memory on where to tell you to look next - happens so rarely these days I'm getting rusty on Windoze - and loving it! Verify we are right so far while I do that. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 22:26, John Lynch wrote: Thanks a lot Brain for helping btw. okay. THIS is going to take a lot, due to the fact i know NOTHING about computers (but I've gotten this far and learnt a lot, the main thing I've learnt is how little I know about computers, lol) - Yup I have 2 computers. NO IDEA about the network cards, how I do check that? is it important? - I have a cable modem. and Yes the lights are on, on my special modem that telstra supplied (or else this e-mail would be a miracle) - I don't think I have a hub (I've seen one before and I'm pretty sure I don't have one). I only have 2 computers so I am 99% sure my Dad just got a crossed cable between the 2. (I do know that my Windows XP/Linux computer has to be on for my Windows 98 computer to work =( it's annoying). Hope that's a help. From: Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK John, Let's take this a step at a time. First let's establish what you have - please correct any mistakes: - 2 computers, one with 2 network cards installed and the other with one. - a cable modem or adsl modem connected to a line and with lights on. - a hub to whci both computers are connected, or a crossed cable between the computers. Since I know you are in Sydney - same time zone as me - let's just establish that much first and go from there. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 16:43, John Lynch wrote: I know this must have been answered a MILLION and EIGHT times, but I just installed Mandrake, and I have read SOME of the Archives and couldn't find anything. SO your patience is greatly ENVIED and APPRECIATED. I am in Australia, and I have cable with Telstra. I do not know my IP address, I do not know what a hostname is, I do not know anything about my internet connection, so when I installed Mandrake Linux I left it all blank. HOW do I find out the required information? I also have a LAN (2 computers networked) I do not know if they are working. I have not explored the Mandrake system yet due to the fact i want my internet connection and LAN working before my family know what I've done. (they just got home) ALSO I am TERRIBLY sorry if this has already been answered, I am quite sick atm so please forgive me. But How do I access LILO (so I can make XP my default OS and it goes to XP after waiting 5 seconds for me to specify otherwise) in Gnome (that's the desktop I have). THANKYOU very much. John _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Living in the real world - Win4Lin4 NO INTEREST TO GEEK FOLKS
Hi Sridhar, First, thanks for all the help I've seen you offer to newbie and geek alike here, me included. I am very happy to discuss the bits of the GNU World that I can, seeing as my contributions technically are zilch! My only skill is really in seeing solutions for sick corporations - and sometimes people who are really ill. MOST people like to contribute in some way, there are really very few - and usually very young and frustrated - who don't. As Joy C says, Even Cybervandals (scriptkiddies) usually burn into people by 30. I am very happy to help anyone where I can and discussing practical commerce-oriented matters is where I do have the experience to share is how to do it. Answers to your post : ** - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Living in the real world - Win4Lin4 NO INTEREST TO GEEK FOLKS Wordperfect was one of the first things I got going myself after I started using GNU/Linux. I had next to no GNU/Linux experience at the time, but I found the installation to be a breeze. It is a free (as in beer) download. *** There was a post here about it a week ago - I couldn't even understand the simple destructions needed. :-) I did try and install a freebie copy way back when but it had no sense to it for a non-geek. The expert at the Oz Computer magazine confessed he couldn't either at the time. FrontPage98 is a joke. It is malware like this that is destroying the open Internet. I agree it could be lots better, but an awful lot of pros use it for QANTAS ( No, not the Airline, Quick And Not Too Arty Sites). I know of nothing faster and easier anywhere for non-geeks. So long as you don't use FP Extensions and keep off IIS Sites... there aren't a lot of tricks to using it. :-) 2. If you are a serious business user, you NEED to be moving toward voice recognition as you know. No, I don't know. Why would a business need voice recognition? I once tried using Viavoice for a whole year -- my productivity decreased despite my best efforts at speaking clearly (something which I've been told I'm good at) and training the software. These packages often advertise 90%-95% accuracy. This sounds great, until you realise that this means that every 10-20 words will be incorrectly interpreted. John Dvorak recently wrote an interesting article on the topic: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-826862.html. A point at a time: 1. Because real men never did type and modern liberated females won't anymore. :-) Like Dvorak, you might have vocal range problem, much less an accent one. I couldn't imagine a Good Ol' Boy ever getting to use it, or an excitable Southern Indian. :-) More to the point, at around 40 w.p.m. with 90% accuracy as a typist, VR will break even under most conditions. Over that it drops rapidly. HOWEVER , in the publishing world, in technical material we used to cost on 19 w.p.m. with girls whose rating was 65 w.p.m. in Pittmans test. In the real world ( that phrase again!) it was extremely rare to find an executive that could properly dictate to a stenographer. They were status symbols for the most part. As a professional dictator (ha!) I must say I do know few people as experienced, trained and natural as me at it, for over 30 years. I am approximately 120% more effective/productive using VR. BUT as a typist I am only quite fast - about twice the rate of finished work as an average self-typing person creatively trying to do the two things at once. But poor old Dvorak - a most unhappy puppy alla time - lives in the wannabee world of pontificating pundits. He has no idea of the incredible science and wonder that has got VR this far! But, it isn't for everyone. Like playing with command lines thrashing around with broken software and loving it! :-) What is your definition of incredibly poor presentation? Open source developers usually prefer to focus on code quality rather than polish. MS bangs-and-whistles. * I used to teach methods engineering ( IT speak Systems Analysis) and the very first thing I would stress was: forget the production, write the manual. Do that first and you will always do well. Yes, it is boring - and usually embarrassing, too. But I also meant overall. The physical display of onscreen fonts was not acceptable to a serious user. Imagine trying to write for 5 hours using it. StarOffice and KDE (to use your examples) are very usable and stable. They _do_ have extensive help structures, so either you didn't install them or you just didn't look properly. * No they just weren't there - it was a problem not resolved at the time on this list - it was a known bug as I recall. Nothing is perfect. Go to a Windows list and I'll guarantee you that you'll see many users with problems. On this list, most problems are quite minor, and many messages are simple enquiries. Oh, I agree 100%
Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice
- Original Message - From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should have downloaded the 'iso' images ... Once you have your discs burned insert CD#1 and configure your BIOS to boot from CD. Everything is then automatic and you will be guided through the install. Before you start defrag your Windows drive and be sure to UNCHECK the box where windows defragger offers to order programs to start faster. If you do not do this then you cannot be sure that Linux will be able to find a large enough contiguous area of disc in which to create a linux partition. The Win2k defrag isn't terribly helpful - in spite of having 2gigs free, I can only get at about 1gig. How much disk does it need for a lightweight install? I'm planning to install it on my laptop for now (when I asked my earlier question, it was with a view to building a linux-only server on a desktop PC). Since I don't really know linux very well, I figure putting it on the laptop will be better for learning because I can play with it when I want. Not too bothered about having X - more the unix command line stuff and general system architecture that I want to learn. User accounts, file server (samba?), that sort of thing. At the very least you need CD #1, but CD#2 contains some very useful stuff CD#3 IMHO you can mostly do without. Got all three. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Sony laptop CD visibility for MD8.1 install
Want to install Mandrake 8.1 on a Sony Vaio 505FX, but having trouble with the MD installer seeing the CD-ROM drive... The laptop's CD drive connects via a PCMCIA card. Although the Mandrake CD boots okay, the install then fails to see the disk. Did some web-troffing and found that folks installing earlier versions Mandrake and RedHat told the installer something like... ide1=0x180,0x386 In the MD8.1 install, there's a text-mode dialog box where one can add parameters, but it's not clear which driver I should use (cdrom.o? ide-cd.o?). I'm not sure if the particular parms I'm using apply to this machine. Have also tried... ide1=0x180,0x360 ide2=0x180,0x386 ide2=0x180,0x360 on both drivers, but no joy. Does anyone know which driver I should select, and which parms (if any) I should supply? Wally Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Publishing in Linux
On Saturday 23 March 2002 01:19, sda wrote: Ghostscript doesn't create the best PDF's, [for publishing], remember `portable document format' is a creation of Adobe - they own it. So obviously the postscript level three systems that Adobe licenses work best for Acrobat files. Additonally modern prepress systems RIP's [raster image processing] usually do some rather neat things with PDF's. Remember we're talking about print publishing, so that PDF has to colour separate and trap, also, in the real world, changes often come after the fact. How many people here know how to edit a PDF or a postcript file, on another box but their own? If you've attempted such, you'd quickly realize that font's are a problem when using different systems. I might not have the same font that the author used. A properly made PDF file is excellent for publishing, as the fonts are embedded. One can't say the same about postcript files and they are difficult to pre-flight [check for errors prior to publishing]. That makes sense. AFAIK, it's possible to embed PDF fonts when converting from LaTeX. Not sure how well it works, though - I only use PDF files for the web, and quickkly it's a minefield: pslatex fonts work fine, many others will produce nice documents, but only for the 1% of web users who have Ghostscript. So presumably what is needed for Linux/LaTeX users is a better way to produce PDF directly, rather than the usual dvi-ps-pdf route. pdftex has its advocates, but it's still beta, and thin on features at the moment. In terms of accepting just .ps files - you have to remember that this file must work with the publisher pre-press systems. Unless one has a history with the publisher, they generally don't accept .ps files as most people don't know the specs required for the publishers systems. If you do it the standard way, one submits the job in Quark, FrameMaker, whatever and the publisher creates the postscript according to their specs. Again changes are often made after the fact to documents. Who wants to be responsible for altering a clients .ps? Not me and other's in the industry feel the same way. Heh, that's one reason why I'd prefer to submit as .ps! Also I'm surprised that people are mentioning word processors in this thread. Word processors aren't used in professional publishing - no typesetter would be caught using such and they don't play well with pre-press systems. TeX used to be the standard, but when the modern page layout apps came along, like Quark, FrameMaker, the use of LaTeX and TeX quickly fell by the wayside. The output was considered too unreliable and doing changes in a busy workflow was awkward to say the least. No one that has used LaTeX in the past and now uses the very sophisticated layout apps, would ever wish LaTeX on their worst enemy. It has it's uses, but not in the modern publishing environment. Unfortunately these layout apps haven't been ported to Linux. That'll never happen until font foundries are better supported and companies like Adobe are convinced they can make $ from Linux users. Sorry to here that LaTeX has lost popularity outside academia - of all the formats I've looked at, it seems the best, if only because it converts well to other formats. I find the situation pretty confusing at the moment - I mean one publisher I submitted a manuscript to asked for .rtf ! There again, there's a difference between publishers (who are going to mess about with your manuscript considerably) and printers, who presumably only want to tweak thinks visually a bit. I don't think Adobe (or any software house) will ever be convinced they can make $ out of Linux (hardware firms have woken up to the potential, but that's a qualitativey different situation). However, we will probably see Linux apps which can produce Quark or FrameMaker-compatible documents soon -- after all, KWord is modelled on FrameMaker, I think (possibly one reason why I'm not terribly keen on it - I just can't think in terms of frames). Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shane (OT)
On Saturday 23 March 2002 13:58, Damian wrote: i asked myself that very question a couple of days ago ( and thinking about that same signature ) i copied the first line or two and searched fot ir on google... i found some pretty cool articles. you should do it too. Damian Where are you getting these amazing quotes? quote -- Microsoft has knowingly and willfully concealed information regarding security flaws in computer hardware from the [National Security Agency] out of fear that revealing such flaws would reduce the number of copies of its products that would be purchased by the government... I have raised this issue internally with Microsoft, and in return have been the subject of both bribes and threats. -ED CURRY, Computer Security Specialist, in a letter to Defense Secretary William Coen /quote I vaguely remember that the NSA now use their own version of Linux. Not surprising after an exchange like that. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers
I have installed ML 8.0, 8.1 and now 8.2 on my Gateway Pentium III. On 8.0 and 8.1, I could not get satisfactory sound from the Gateway OEM version of the SoundBlaster Live Value card that came with the machine. I have the Boston Acoustic Digital speaker set, but the default installation of ALSA 0.5.10(?) sets the master output of the card to analog signal. I have confirmed this with an old pair of speakers. ML 8.2 sets up sound much more reliably than the previous versions -- I even get sound now from my Hauppauge TV card, but the output is still analog. Does anyone know of an option that will turn on digital signal output to the Main output of the SoundBlaster Live Value card? I have asked this question of the ALSA mailing list, but have yet to receive a reply. Thanks for your help. Jim Gentry Charleston, SC Very pleased with ML 8.2, so far. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] ATAPI ZIP drive not working under LM8.1
Gentlemen! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Disabling devfs did the trick -- my ZIP drive now works as expected! I truly appreciate your assistance, Dennis Charles -- you two led me to the solution, and I would not have gotten there by myself. Warm up your brains -- I've got one more small problem to contend with, and I'll post it later today (probably). Thanks again! -drew -Original Message- From: Charles A Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] ATAPI ZIP drive not working under LM8.1 On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:25:22 -0500 Vogel, Andrew (VOGELAP) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running devfs=mount... What are the implications of changing it to =nomount? Will it break anything? If not, I'd be willing to try it. Not completely sure if I will upgrade to 8.2. I want to get the current system running well, and then I will consider upgrading to the 8.2 PowerPack. No running devfs=nomount will not break anything and in fact in 8.1 on many systems it is a help. The drawback is that devfs is here to stay and eventually the ability to load devices will be removed from the kernel and be completely controlled by devfs. For now if you want to try devfs=nomount, go for it. I would change the hdd=ide-scsi append to hdd=ide-floppy and replace the sda4 entry in fstab to that which Dennis noted. It could work, you won't know for sure unless you try. Are you running with devfs=mount or with devfs=nomount? With =mount dev handles the loading of device modules, with =nomount the kernel handles that task. I was able to get my drive working with devfs=mount. Does ls -l /dev/sda give any out put? Are you planning to get 8.2.? I am not trying to pass the buck, but devfs in 8.1 is pretty flaky but in 8.2 it does the job as intended, though it was necessary for me to edit fstab and create an entry for sda4, but the block device itself was created so it was not necessary to screw around with MAKEDEV or mknod. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
Hello Sal, WOOPS!! NOW you'll get it! Rule #1 on this list has become : THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE THING It is very sad but you *will* be trashed/flamed by the goon squad no matter what you say or do from here on in. I have received a number of notes from people asking me not to reply ro them on the Board for fear of the goons. It is very, very sad. This WAS a great support Site and still has many fine people here, but they are being overwhelmed by the dog squad. But don't let them beat you down - these are the losers in life - for it is only the losers who are ever viscious. Stick in! You will get help if you ask for it. BUT You are not allowed to criticise. There are many people having your experience with the Software trashing prior installs and a couple of us with the goon squad. Cheers! John Rigby I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it Whatsisname. - Original Message - From: Sal Cerda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: [newbie] Support? Recently I asked for some help after installing 8.2. Thereply: alans: 15:03 01:50 : Reply received Since you've reinstalled the development packages then your problem is no longer an OS installation problem but one of the technique of using the compiler tools. This problem is not included in the list of free provided support. As a reminder, support is dedicated to operating system installation only, covering the topics shown below: ... I suggest that you to ask your questions on one of the many freely available resources MandrakeSoft provides to its users. was not helpful. My GCC, make and other tools worked fine before I installed 8.2. I didn't break it, the install did as near as I can tell. My 'technique' is the same as it was before. Even though I'm a newbie to Linux, it's not hard to untar, make config and install a package. I have not been able to install ANY package since installing 8.2. Something changed. I was evaluating Mandrake Linux as a possible alternative to desktops in the corporate world. If the support I got for this boxed copy of your distribution is representative of the value that can be expected, then perhaps Mandrake Linux is not ready for prime time, however much I wanted it to be. Sal Cerda __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice
The Win2k defrag isn't terribly helpful - in spite of having 2gigs free, I can only get at about 1gig. How much disk does it need for a lightweight install? Yes, that's a BIG problem with partitioning, it doesn't do it. I had 1 gig free on my old computer, and the bloody thing let me make a partition of 500meg. I installed Mandrake and took up 1.5gig. although I installed a TON. try to install it, and it won't let you if u don't have enuf room. simple as that _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 8.2 breaking things
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:07:41 -0500 Jonathan Dlouhy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed Mandrake 8.2. Everything looks okay, except for the fact that there are several programs I have that ran under 8.1 that when I install them in 8.2 come up with dependency errors. One program is WordPerfect 8; it won't install at all. Another is Opera 6, which is looking for a file I can't find. I just reinstalled 8.1 and all is well again. Are other people having these kinds of problems? Incidentally, the problems I'm having crop up with a clean install as well as an upgrade from 8.1. To run WP8 in 8.2 you need to install ld.so1, libc-base, and libc-extras which are all on CD3 of the 8.2 download edition. WP8 will then install and run without problem If you are using Opera, downloaded form their site/mirrors, libpng2 is required. Libpng3 is used in 8.2. You can ether install libpng2 from your 8.1 CD or you can join the MandrakeClub. The version of Opera available through the Club, which will also be in the PowerPack, was built for Mandrake by Opera and does not require libpng2. If you choose to install libpng2, install it only and not libpng2-devel. You will then have installed on your system,libpng2, libpng3, and libpng3-devel. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice
The Win2k defrag isn't terribly helpful - in spite of having 2gigs free, I can only get at about 1gig. How much disk does it need for a lightweight install? Well if you do not need any of the graphical apps you can certainly fit a fair bit onto 1G. If during the package selection you just check the server configuration, then the install will automatically set up most of the stuff you need. You should also allow for a swap partition. If this computer is not going to be used very heavily, then a small swap partition is fine. If it is too small you get disc thrashing, too large and you waste disc space. I'm planning to install it on my laptop for now (when I asked my earlier question, it was with a view to building a linux-only server on a desktop PC). Since I don't really know linux very well, I figure putting it on the laptop will be better for learning As your later post shows- Installing on a laptop is more problematic than a desktop. The hardware tends to be more esoteric. I have never done it, but I think you need to do a pcmcia install. I'll try to look out some posts on the subject. Good luck derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How do you Install Mandrake 8.2
How do you install Mandrake 8.2. I get only as far as stage 2 install and the install hangs at where it would say next , please wait while probing serial ports What am I doing wrong. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] usb camera
I know I have seen the answer to this, but I can't find it in my notes anywhere. I get the error message that says only root can mount /camera, and indeed root can open it nicely. I changed ownership to lee but still only root gets to see the pictures. What did I miss? TIA Lee -- Registered Linux abuser #223705 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On March 22, 2002 06:13 pm, thou spake thusly: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. I was going by the City Manager's quote: In turn, however, we have asked him [Gulliver] to reconsider his policy of making unannounced tests on servers. In today's computerised world it is everyone's responsibility to maintain a secure system. Why would they ask this of him unless he planned to start it up again. But that's a wild guess. It's the same 'blacklist service' that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of an open relay on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as fruitful as talking to a rock. It sounds like the LUG is using ORBZ. You'll have to tell them to remove it. Miark __ I seriously doubt that I could tell the LUG anything either. I'll just keep lurking and reading as I did here for so long until recently. Thx C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HOW DO I INSTALL MANDRAKE 8.2
Can anyone tell me why my Mandrake 8.2 hangs in stage 2 install just before it would normally say, please wait while probing serial ports What an I doing wrong. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This got bounced don't remember subject
I actually think I had only 2 messages that completely fell into the bit bucket. There were a number of the Not deliverable to some addresses messages though. I'll never figure out why. I'm Not a Geek! after all. g C. __ On March 21, 2002 05:38 pm, thou spake thusly: I've had at least 20 msgs bounce so far... Dunno why. And some *Do* show up! WTH? Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This got bounced don't remember subject
On March 21, 2002 06:07 pm, Ed spake thusly: my guess jon is bouncing some of us back to the list, the list notifies you it got bounced somewhere... (just like me to blame the last person to leave the room for stealing my keys) but it got thru to the list the first time... are you bfiltering somewhere with a bounce? I only bounce proven SPAM (anything from Microsoft) messages manually; or send them to the bitbucket. No other filters here. C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice
I use win2k and it requires 11% for free space ,defrag gives warnings at about 25%.A slave H/D might be worth thinking about. - Original Message - From: John Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice The Win2k defrag isn't terribly helpful - in spite of having 2gigs free, I can only get at about 1gig. How much disk does it need for a lightweight install? Yes, that's a BIG problem with partitioning, it doesn't do it. I had 1 gig free on my old computer, and the bloody thing let me make a partition of 500meg. I installed Mandrake and took up 1.5gig. although I installed a TON. try to install it, and it won't let you if u don't have enuf room. simple as that _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sony laptop CD visibility for MD8.1 install
On Saturday 23 March 2002 12:17 pm, Wally wrote: Want to install Mandrake 8.1 on a Sony Vaio 505FX, but having trouble with the MD installer seeing the CD-ROM drive... The laptop's CD drive connects via a PCMCIA card. Although the Mandrake CD boots okay, the install then fails to see the disk. Did some web-troffing and found that folks installing earlier versions Mandrake and RedHat told the installer something like... ide1=0x180,0x386 In the MD8.1 install, there's a text-mode dialog box where one can add parameters, but it's not clear which driver I should use (cdrom.o? ide-cd.o?). I'm not sure if the particular parms I'm using apply to this machine. Have also tried... ide1=0x180,0x360 ide2=0x180,0x386 ide2=0x180,0x360 on both drivers, but no joy. Does anyone know which driver I should select, and which parms (if any) I should supply? Wally Wally There's a good article about installing MD8.1 on a vaio 505fx here:- http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/fx505/vaiofx505.html Hope this helps with your problem Regards Pete Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] no sound on a dell latitude m233st
Have you tried running sndconfig ? Have you tried all the setting combinations in sndconfig? Which window manager are you using? Have you tried another? What does it have to say in HardDrakeHardwareSound? What does it say in KDE Control centreInformationInterrupts? Have you tried setting your BIOS to PnP AwareOS=NO ? Do you have any IRQ conflicts? Try typing dmesg in a terminal. Are there any entries relating to sound or IRQ problems? HTH derek On Saturday 23 March 2002 14:36, edward lada nowacki wrote: htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV PBRi am in need of assistance i have an older dell laptop 233-/P Psince i have switch from windows to linuxnbsp;there is no more sound/P Pwhat do i need to do to fix this i have looked in several hardware /P Pmanuals to no avail!nbsp;nbsp; any assistance is of great use/P Pnbsp;/P Pthank younbsp; :-)BR/P/DIV/divbr clear=allhrGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at a href='http://g.msn.com/1HM305401/13'http://explorer.msn.com/a.br/html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On March 23, 2002 08:13 am, Charlie Oriez spake thusly: Actually, orbz doesnt block, unless mandrax is hosted by penguinhosting. orbz publishes a list of who in their opinion has open relays whom they choose to block at their domain. They require no one else to use it for any purposes. Think of it as an electronic Consumer Reports. If Consumer Reports says the Isuzu tends to roll, and then you choose on that basis not to buy an Isuzu, did CR make that choice, or did you? Mandrax chooses to accept the accuracy of that list, and chooses because of that not to accept traffic from frontstreetnetworks.com Or alternatively, frontstreetnetworks.com has its MTA configured incorrectly to reject all traffic when ORBZ doesnt respond. I've seen a very few of those, which in each case were quickly fixed. From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? It's the same 'blacklist service' that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of an open relay on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as fruitful as talking to a rock. Per Ian Gulliver (owner of ORBZ), ORBZ will not run its DNSBL again. However, he says he has a solution negotiated with someone else. My guess is that it will be moved out of the US and run by another service. I know the spam load has been significantly higher while he is down. I hope the replacement comes soon. And ORBZ doesnt block you, unless you try to send email to orbz.org. See my response above. I can't see the IPA that you are posting from because I get newbie in digest form, but querying osirusoft at http://combat.uxn.com will let you see what if any other lists your IPA made it on to. You have a couple of solutions: 1) Ask the LUG to ask their ISP to white list your IPA. If ORBZ is the only one listing you, and there hasnt been any spam thru that IPA, the chance is fair. 2) Sue your cable company, or complain to whichever local government body regulates them. By maintaining an open relay and failing to close it, thereby getting listed, they arent delivering the connectivity you paid for and they promised. -- Charles Oriez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 39 34' 34.4N / 105 00' 06.3W __ Perhaps I failed to communicate. I never accused ORBZ of blocking my e-mail. I said the LUG used the ORBZ service and that the mail server that I use at my ISP is on the Black Hole list; therefore I am unable to post to the mailing list. The undlivered messages notifications I got from this list were sent from the SMTP robot. I am not running any mail servers; nor am I 'geek enough', nor interested enough, to do so. This e-mail address has only been valid since last month after my ISP ran away from titsup.com er sorry Excite at Home. All of the SPAM in the universe came through there; but that's another issue that no longer has any relevance to anyone. As long as I'm able to read the messages I really don't care; since I subcribed here and on the LUG to learn; not teach. As to the Consumer Reports analogy: I wouldn't read that rag, or watch their electronic sensationalist alter ego called 60 Minutes or whatever others anyway. Just personal opinion. I always make up my own mind, I don't need 'enlightenment' fed me by people attempting to advance an agenda. Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shane (OT)
On Saturday 23 March 2002 02:08, Michael opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: Where are you getting these amazing quotes? go here http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Business/Allegedly_Unethical_Firms/Microsoft/ see at the bottom of the page where it says editor: shen that is me. people send me this stuff. i get new webpages and/or quotes and stories on a weekly basis. MS is far scarier than anything you thought before you start digging. and i only quote the stuff from sources i have some faith in. you should what the conspiracy nuts send me. :-) -- With Windows Millennium, Microsoft was able to get the boot time down to 25 seconds. That's almost as short as it's uptime. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Uptime in signature?
On Saturday 23 March 2002 05:34 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: Is there not a hack to get the output from a normal text line in a email signature file? I would like my signature file to look like : You make a signiture file; Mine is sig2.txt #= Sig2.txt == #!/bin/bash echo Gerald Waugh echo http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com echo New Haven, CT United States of America echo `/usr/bin/uptime` #= Then go into KMail-Settings-Configure KMail-Identity Select Use a signiture from a file enter the directory/file in the text box /home/gerald/sig2.txt Check This file is a program Click on OK and you are good to go. -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT United States of America 11:13am up 1 day, 19:37, 2 users, load average: 1.25, 1.30, 1.33 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Audiogalaxy Satellite
Your account.txt file should have your audioGalaxy username on the first line, and your password on the second. You will know if you have them correct if you can use them to sign in here :- http://www.audiogalaxy.com/user/home.php?SID=b24f2f28a8b4077ef67b640fdeb59f13loginPage=1loginCancelURL=%2F The other thing that comes to mind is are you modifying the correct copy of the file? If you have the Xsat graphical front end for Audiogalaxy then the audiogalaxy back end will be in the /usr/share/xsat/Satellite directory (or whereever you installed xsat) and the config goes in /usr/share/xsat/config whereas if you installed the Satellite on its own I think it goes in /usr/share/AGSatellite I certainly remember having to mess about with which directory the config files went in before it would work. HTH derek On Saturday 23 March 2002 10:26, Graham Watkins wrote: Just installed the audiogalaxy satellite for Linux. (AGSatellite0520-glibc21.tar.gz) All seemed to go well. I put my email address and password in the account.txt file as instructed. However, whenever I try to run it I get the following message: ./AGSatellite: (my email address): command not found ./AGSatellite: (password): command not found I found one message board discussion that said that the user name should be used rather than the email address so I made the necessary alteration but continued to get the same message. A point to consider is that the email address is the one I originally used to sign up for audiogalaxy and now redundant although it continues to function under windows. Ideas, anyone? Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On Saturday 23 March 2002 09:20 am, Charlie wrote: On March 22, 2002 06:13 pm, thou spake thusly: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. snip http://orbz.com has up-to-date info. -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT United States of America 11:30am up 1 day, 19:54, 2 users, load average: 1.31, 1.18, 1.22 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HOW DO I INSTALL MANDRAKE 8.2
are you doing an upgrade from 8.1 or a completely new install? by any chance, did you change the default partition sizes? for some reason, i remember when i did that when installing 8.1, my machine also hung in stage 2 of the install. leaving the default as is (i.e. not changing the default partition sizes) worked. odd. At 14:26 02/03/23 +, you wrote: Can anyone tell me why my Mandrake 8.2 hangs in stage 2 install just before it would normally say, please wait while probing serial ports What an I doing wrong. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Uptime in signature?
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:19:39 -0500 Gerald Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 05:34 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: Is there not a hack to get the output from a normal text line in a email signature file? I would like my signature file to look like : You make a signiture file; Mine is sig2.txt #= Sig2.txt == #!/bin/bash echo Gerald Waugh echo http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com echo New Haven, CT United States of America echo `/usr/bin/uptime` #= Then go into KMail-Settings-Configure KMail-Identity Select Use a signiture from a file enter the directory/file in the text box /home/gerald/sig2.txt Check This file is a program Click on OK and you are good to go. Don't forget to make it executable, chmod +x sig2.txt -- Todd Slater The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately... education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square. (Oscar Wilde) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On Saturday 23 March 2002 11:31 am, Gerald Waugh wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 09:20 am, Charlie wrote: On March 22, 2002 06:13 pm, thou spake thusly: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. snip http://orbz.com has up-to-date info. Sorry it is http://orbz.org -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT United States of America 12:39pm up 1 day, 21:03, 2 users, load average: 1.42, 1.29, 1.37 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you Install Mandrake 8.2
On Saturday 23 March 2002 17:02, you wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: How do you install Mandrake 8.2. I get only as far as stage 2 install and the install hangs at where it would say next , please wait while probing serial ports What am I doing wrong. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You aren't doing anything wrong except not describing the equipment you are trying to install to, its history, how and where you got the CDs, what other machines you may have tried to install to, etc. Right now, it is impossible to hazard a guess with any assurance of accuracy. Most likely, the problem is with the download or with the burn (medai not reading correctly) but it could be some hardware that hangs when the probe is done in which case an F1 at the splash screen and linux noauto may be the way to make it install. Or it could be a notebook which will _never_ install 8.2 or anything after 7.2. Or it could be an old 486 which MandrakeLinux does not support at all, not since a single beta iso for 7.0. We won't grumble if you give us too much information, and in general the more you give, the better we are able to help. Civileme Thank you for your reply. Before I give you chapter and verse of the full details of my equipement and and it's configuration , I want to report that your suggestion, Linux noauto worked, to the extent that it now goes on to reach the main install window, However doing this bypasses important detection processes , does it not , will this not affect the outcome. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
On Saturday 23 March 2002 01:49 pm, you wrote: I've recently done a clean install of 8.1 and installed eroaster, however attempts to burn a cd of 8.2 have failed. I chose the iso tab, browsed to the file, hit the info button to get the file info, then chose the burn cd button - results below As user I got: /bin/bash/cdrecord: Permission denied At one point I found the GUI app to change permissions but can't seem to find it again - though it seems if permissions *were* changed I'd probably get the output below. As root, the output from ECLiPt Roaster is: scidev: '0.0.0' scsibus:0 target:0 lun:o My cd burner is an external Plextor 12/4/32 (SCSI) using CDR media. What do I need to change to get the prog to work? I am very new to Linux and not familiar with CLI Any hints or links to help solve this problem would be greatly appreciated (the link mentioned in the 8.2 readme for cdrecord gives me the 404 error) Curt Curt, go into the userdrake and you will probably find that you as a user are not shown in the groups for cdrw or cdwriter, I forget which. Highlight you as user and then select edit groups and you will see a bunch of listings. Pick the ones you want permissions in and then ok and save. You should now be able to access in the eroaster prog. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vaio 505 install reaches 1st base - more questions...
On Saturday 23 March 2002 04:59 pm, Wally wrote: Thanks to the respondents for the installation help - I appear to have the vestiges of a Mandrake 8.1 installation on my Vaio 505. I ended up trashing the drive and reinstalling w2k into a 3gig FAT32 partition, leaving the rest for MD. I copied CD1 onto the Win drive and made a hd.img boot disk. (The earlier pcmcia.img effort was extremely slow, to the point where it seemed to have fallen over.) I have now stuck a NetGear FA410TX pcmcia 10/100 NIC into it. How do I get it to talk to the NIC? It seemed to notice the NIC during the system boot, but LinuxConf is a tad unfamiliar to me (I have a reasonable understanding of TCP/IP). Try using Control Center hardware Also, how do I 'log' to another drive? Can I browse the FAT32 partition as if it were a local drive? I'm aware that it's dev/hda1, but trying to do ls or cd to the device came back with 'not a directory'. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk Then you can browse /mnt/disk -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT, United States of America 5:05pm up 2 days, 1:29, 2 users, load average: 1.11, 1.11, 1.15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice
On Saturday 23 March 2002 07:08 am, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should have downloaded the 'iso' images ... Once you have your discs burned insert CD#1 and configure your BIOS to boot from CD. Everything is then automatic and you will be guided through the install. Before you start defrag your Windows drive and be sure to UNCHECK the box where windows defragger offers to order programs to start faster. If you do not do this then you cannot be sure that Linux will be able to find a large enough contiguous area of disc in which to create a linux partition. The Win2k defrag isn't terribly helpful - in spite of having 2gigs free, I can only get at about 1gig. How much disk does it need for a lightweight install? I'm planning to install it on my laptop for now (when I asked my earlier question, it was with a view to building a linux-only server on a desktop PC). Since I don't really know linux very well, I figure putting it on the laptop will be better for learning because I can play with it when I want. Not too bothered about having X - more the unix command line stuff and general system architecture that I want to learn. User accounts, file server (samba?), that sort of thing. At the very least you need CD #1, but CD#2 contains some very useful stuff CD#3 IMHO you can mostly do without. Got all three. :-) You can get a demo version of DiskKeeper and I'm 99.9% sure it will let you defrag your disk at least once. I would run it a couple of times, and then you should be able to reclaim a lot more than half your available free space in a contiguous space. Good luck, keep us posted. -- Jonathan Dlouhy Saturday, March 23, 2002 Microsoft - We put the backwards into backwards compatibility. Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
This is a common problem. You need to ensure that your user, the cdwriter, and all the cd applications have the same group permissions. 1/Create a group called 'cdwriter' using Userdrake and put any users who are to burn CD's in that group. (It may already exist) 2/ You then need to give cdwriter group privileges for the following applications (all in /usr/bin) If any of these apps are missing install them from RPM. cdrecord cdda2wav cdparanoia mkisofs readcd You can do this using konqueror. Just open KmenuApplicationFileToolsFileManager(SuperUserMode) Find the files you want to change the permissions of, right click, select 'Permissions' and set the group name to be cdwriter 3/ Put the CD-RW in the cdwriter group by editing the permissions of /dev/scd0 You can test your cd burner by opening a user terminal and typing cdrecord --scanbus If it finds your CD writer then cd burning should work. HTH derek On Saturday 23 March 2002 19:49, Curt wrote: I've recently done a clean install of 8.1 and installed eroaster, however attempts to burn a cd of 8.2 have failed. I chose the iso tab, browsed to the file, hit the info button to get the file info, then chose the burn cd button - results below As user I got: /bin/bash/cdrecord: Permission denied At one point I found the GUI app to change permissions but can't seem to find it again - though it seems if permissions *were* changed I'd probably get the output below. As root, the output from ECLiPt Roaster is: scidev: '0.0.0' scsibus:0 target:0 lun:o My cd burner is an external Plextor 12/4/32 (SCSI) using CDR media. What do I need to change to get the prog to work? I am very new to Linux and not familiar with CLI Any hints or links to help solve this problem would be greatly appreciated (the link mentioned in the 8.2 readme for cdrecord gives me the 404 error) Curt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie seeks Mandrake install advice
with CLI only? Less than a gig of data will be installed. Femme Wally wrote: The Win2k defrag isn't terribly helpful - in spite of having 2gigs free, I can only get at about 1gig. How much disk does it need for a lightweight install? I'm planning to install it on my laptop for now (when I asked my earlier question, it was with a view to building a linux-only server on a desktop PC). Since I don't really know linux very well, I figure putting it on the laptop will be better for learning because I can play with it when I want. Not too bothered about having X - more the unix command line stuff and general system architecture that I want to learn. User accounts, file server (samba?), that sort of thing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Specifying SMTP from command line
On Friday 22 March 2002 03:32 pm, Miark wrote: It's a tad more involved that I had hoped, but if this is the way, then it's the way! OK, I drummed up a rough 'c' program that might help [gerald@gail gerald]$ ./clmail only 5 arguments are supported useage: smtpserver to from subject message Note: Subject and message must be enclosed in Example: clmail smtp.frontstreetnetworks.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] test this this is a test the first arg is the SMTP server, 2nd is TO third is FROM, 4th is SUBJECT, 5th is the MSG. SUBJECT and MSG must be enclosed int copy the executable clmail to /usr/local/bin or someplace so its in your $PATH -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT, United States of America 5:48pm up 2 days, 2:12, 2 users, load average: 0.91, 1.05, 1.07 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vaio 505 install reaches 1st base - more questions...
On Saturday 23 March 2002 21:59, Wally wrote: Thanks to the respondents for the installation help - I appear to have the vestiges of a Mandrake 8.1 installation on my Vaio 505. I ended up trashing the drive and reinstalling w2k into a 3gig FAT32 partition, leaving the rest for MD. I copied CD1 onto the Win drive and made a hd.img boot disk. (The earlier pcmcia.img effort was extremely slow, to the point where it seemed to have fallen over.) Well done.. You are having to work at getting this installed ;-) I have now stuck a NetGear FA410TX pcmcia 10/100 NIC into it. How do I get it to talk to the NIC? It seemed to notice the NIC during the system boot, but LinuxConf is a tad unfamiliar to me (I have a reasonable understanding of TCP/IP). Mandrake is pretty good at detecting NIC's You probably just need to set up DHCP if needed, DNS server, Default gateway, and HostName A good tool for this is netconf. It works in X or from the command line. The command 'ifconfig' is good for looking at NIC status and setting it up on the fly. See 'man ifconfig' for a full breakdown Also, how do I 'log' to another drive? Can I browse the FAT32 partition as if it were a local drive? I'm aware that it's dev/hda1, but trying to do ls or cd to the device came back with 'not a directory'. Yes.. By default Mandrake will mount the first Windows partition as /mnt/windows you can just browse there. If you have trouble writing to the partition (and it is not NTFS) then the permissions in the file /etc/fstab will sort you out. Check out the documentation at http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fdoc.php3 and on your hard drive at /usr/share/doc/mandrake/en/index.html for basic commands and the file structure. Good luck derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers
*gack!* Digital output? I'd verify a sneaky suspicion I have. Dell sent out Live cards too... With a caveat, they had engineered them somehow so they weren't normal LIVE cards anymore! They lacked certain features. Check gateways site or newsgroups archives for an answer? Femme Jim Gentry wrote: I have installed ML 8.0, 8.1 and now 8.2 on my Gateway Pentium III. On 8.0 and 8.1, I could not get satisfactory sound from the Gateway OEM version of the SoundBlaster Live Value card that came with the machine. I have the Boston Acoustic Digital speaker set, but the default installation of ALSA 0.5.10(?) sets the master output of the card to analog signal. I have confirmed this with an old pair of speakers. ML 8.2 sets up sound much more reliably than the previous versions -- I even get sound now from my Hauppauge TV card, but the output is still analog. Does anyone know of an option that will turn on digital signal output to the Main output of the SoundBlaster Live Value card? I have asked this question of the ALSA mailing list, but have yet to receive a reply. Thanks for your help. Jim Gentry Charleston, SC Very pleased with ML 8.2, so far. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Script
I need this script to do the following things, in order to start some clients palace servers It simply stops after the first user what the problem #!/bin/sh su angeleyez ; /home/angeleyez/palaceserver/bin/start-palace ; exitsu digitalfantasy ; /home/digitalfantasy/palaceserver/bin/start-palace ; exitsu j323k41j4 ; /home/j323k41j4/palaceserver/bin/start-palace ; exitsu redbaron ; /home/redbaron/palaceserver/bin/start-palace ; logoutsu staticfx ; /home/staticfx/palaceserver/bin/start-palace ; exitsu zach ; /home/zach/palaceserver/bin/start-palace ; exit Jesse AngellKorrupt.com Supportaim: korruptDOTcomemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] Can't get openoffice to install with 8.2
Hi folks, I just tired to follow the directions to install openoffice on a new 8.2 installation from the .tar file and the setup failed with a message saying. glibc version: 2.2.4 /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Any idea how I fix this please. Thanks. Peter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vaio 505 install reaches 1st base - more questions...
- Original Message - From: Gerald Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have now stuck a NetGear FA410TX pcmcia 10/100 NIC into it. How do I get it to talk to the NIC? It seemed to notice the NIC during the system boot, but LinuxConf is a tad unfamiliar to me (I have a reasonable understanding of TCP/IP). Try using Control Center hardware Is that a gui thingy? Also, how do I 'log' to another drive? Can I browse the FAT32 partition as if it were a local drive? I'm aware that it's dev/hda1, but trying to do ls or cd to the device came back with 'not a directory'. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk Aha... Then you can browse /mnt/disk Found it at mnt/windows - Mandrake must have set it to that. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
Ugh... this is on the expert list too...Do an archive search quick...for Eroaster. It'll come up ... last few days. Femme Curt wrote: I've recently done a clean install of 8.1 and installed eroaster, however attempts to burn a cd of 8.2 have failed. I chose the iso tab, browsed to the file, hit the info button to get the file info, then chose the burn cd button - results below As user I got: /bin/bash/cdrecord: Permission denied At one point I found the GUI app to change permissions but can't seem to find it again - though it seems if permissions *were* changed I'd probably get the output below. As root, the output from ECLiPt Roaster is: scidev: '0.0.0' scsibus:0 target:0 lun:o My cd burner is an external Plextor 12/4/32 (SCSI) using CDR media. What do I need to change to get the prog to work? I am very new to Linux and not familiar with CLI Any hints or links to help solve this problem would be greatly appreciated (the link mentioned in the 8.2 readme for cdrecord gives me the 404 error) Curt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
woops! ignore my msg curt... the thread i was thinking of is for 8.2. Femme Dennis Myers wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 01:49 pm, you wrote: I've recently done a clean install of 8.1 and installed eroaster, however attempts to burn a cd of 8.2 have failed. I chose the iso tab, browsed to the file, hit the info button to get the file info, then chose the burn cd button - results below As user I got: /bin/bash/cdrecord: Permission denied At one point I found the GUI app to change permissions but can't seem to find it again - though it seems if permissions *were* changed I'd probably get the output below. As root, the output from ECLiPt Roaster is: scidev: '0.0.0' scsibus:0 target:0 lun:o My cd burner is an external Plextor 12/4/32 (SCSI) using CDR media. What do I need to change to get the prog to work? I am very new to Linux and not familiar with CLI Any hints or links to help solve this problem would be greatly appreciated (the link mentioned in the 8.2 readme for cdrecord gives me the 404 error) Curt Curt, go into the userdrake and you will probably find that you as a user are not shown in the groups for cdrw or cdwriter, I forget which. Highlight you as user and then select edit groups and you will see a bunch of listings. Pick the ones you want permissions in and then ok and save. You should now be able to access in the eroaster prog. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
Thx Damian. Well said worth repeating Femme Damian wrote: El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: Hello Sal, --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts made by several ppl. well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you won't get flamed by them. on the other hand, this list is FULL of people ( knowledgeable people ) willing to help, if you just behave the way your mother tells you to. for example: if your LM 8 installation didn't detect your NIC, you don't barge in here posting stuff like MDK sucks and it's unusable we are gettin here more and more often. instead, you could DESCRIBE your problem ( most ppl forget about this tiny detail ) and ask for any ideas. 99% of the people here do not work at mandrakesoft, we are just L-M users that may or may not have a bit more experience than you, may have solved the very same problem you may be having now. just that. if you criticize and get flamed here, it's only natural. remember we use mandrake because we think it fits us the best. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Can't get openoffice to install with 8.2
There is an RPM for OpenOffice on the 8.2 discs. That should go in OK derek On Saturday 23 March 2002 23:36, Peter Nunn wrote: Hi folks, I just tired to follow the directions to install openoffice on a new 8.2 installation from the .tar file and the setup failed with a message saying. glibc version: 2.2.4 /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Any idea how I fix this please. Thanks. Peter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [BUG?] [SOLVED?] opl3sa2 ISA PnP soundcard in 8.2
After a fresh 'recommended' install of LM8.2 I got no sound and noticed this: [root@amd frans]# cat /etc/modules.conf alias usb-interface usb-ohci alias eth0 3c59x alias sound-slot-0 ad1848 I edited this file to read: [frans@amd frans]$ cat /etc/modules.conf alias usb-interface usb-ohci alias eth0 3c59x #alias sound-slot-0 ad1848 alias sound-slot-0 opl3sa2 After rebooting I have sound support :) pnpdump says: # $Id: pnpdump_main.c,v 1.27 2001/04/30 21:54:53 fox Exp $ # Release isapnptools-1.26 snip # Trying port address 0273 # Board 1 has serial identifier 81 ff ff ff ff 20 00 a8 65 # (DEBUG) (READPORT 0x0273) (ISOLATE PRESERVE) (IDENTIFY *) (VERBOSITY 2) (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING # Card 1: (serial identifier 81 ff ff ff ff 20 00 a8 65) # Vendor Id YMH0020, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0x81. # Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.0 # ANSI string --OPL3-SAX Sound Board-- # # Logical device id YMH0021 snip I had the same problem with LM8.1 and 'modprobing the ALSA driver' worked in 8.1 and 8.2. But now a simple edit of /etc/modules.conf seems enough :) Btw, neither DrakConf (complained about an isa-pnp module while ISA PnP support is compiled into the 'standard' kernel) or 'sndconfig' was able to get me sound support :( Btw2, I'm impressed by the ease of installing LM8.2, with a 'recommended' install, I just had to answer a few simple questions to get on the internet! -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual Booting: LM8.0 LM8.2?
I plan to add LM8.2 to my system and keep LM8.0 for daily use until I'm sure everything works. My LM 8.0 is on hda a 20 gig hd) and I use LILO to boot. I plan to purchase a new 40 gig hd, and devote that entirely to LM8.2. -- the new drive would be hdc. My questions: Preserving the setup, 8.0 on hda, and 8.2 on hdc: 1. Will I be able to boot into hdc using the present LILO setup? 2. I want to use XFS with 8.2; presently 8.0 uses ext2. Can I mixmatch? 3. Can I use GRUB with 8.2 and LILO with 8.0 (would this break something?) Changing the setup: 1. If I move hda to become hdc, will this mess up LILO? (That is, if I make LM 8.0 the secondary drive (hdc), and use the new drive as hda). I don't want to take a chance on losing data. I hope that the above is not too confusing -- Any suggestions or warnings? Tia, Andre -- Please pray the Holy Rosary to end the holocaust of abortion. Remember in your prayers the suffering souls in Purgatory. May God bless you abundantly in His love! For a free Cenacle Scriptural Rosary Booklet -- http://www.webhart.net/csrb/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Adding Text Input in a SELECT drop-down list
I have written, in an html form, a drop-downlist that uses SELECT: i.e. SELECT NAME=state OPTION SELECTEDState OPTIONAL OPTIONAZ OPTION// and so on I would like a text input as the last option so that a user can type in a state (non-USA) and have this variable passed on. Is there any way of accomplishing this using html or php? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Tia, Andre -- Please pray the Holy Rosary to end the holocaust of abortion. Remember in your prayers the suffering souls in Purgatory. May God bless you abundantly in His love! For a free Cenacle Scriptural Rosary Booklet -- http://www.webhart.net/csrb/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Support?
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:50:16 -0500 sda said onto me: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 01:01:34PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: OK, I fail geek 101--my filter didn't work. Why oh why do I always take the bait? Exactly why are you? If you people would stop replying, then all would be well. Then why add to it? snip -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk KDE 2.2.2 Sylpheed 0.7.4claws David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
Femme, Thanks for posting ... for some reason Dennis' post didn't show up in the thread - just in your reply. Wonder what's up with that?? I re-booted into this version to check and see what I got wrong with Derek's instructions - I'll have another go at it with the new info. Curt On Saturday 23 March 2002 04:48 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: woops! ignore my msg curt... the thread i was thinking of is for 8.2. Femme Dennis Myers wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 01:49 pm, you wrote: I've recently done a clean install of 8.1 and installed eroaster, ==snip== Curt Curt, go into the userdrake and you will probably find that you as a user are not shown in the groups for cdrw or cdwriter, I forget which. Highlight you as user and then select edit groups and you will see a bunch of listings. Pick the ones you want permissions in and then ok and save. You should now be able to access in the eroaster prog. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Specifying SMTP from command line
On Saturday 23 March 2002 05:54 pm, Gerald Waugh wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2002 03:32 pm, Miark wrote:
It's a tad more involved that I had hoped, but if this is the way,
then it's the way!
OK, I drummed up a rough 'c' program that might help
[gerald@gail gerald]$ ./clmail
only 5 arguments are supported
useage: smtpserver to from subject message
Note: Subject and message must be enclosed in
Example: clmail smtp.frontstreetnetworks.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] test this this is a test
the first arg is the SMTP server, 2nd is TO third is FROM, 4th is SUBJECT,
5th is the MSG.
SUBJECT and MSG must be enclosed int
copy the executable clmail to /usr/local/bin or someplace so its in your
$PATH
--
Gerald Waugh
http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com
New Haven, CT, United States of America
8:19pm up 2 days, 4:43, 2 users, load average: 1.54, 1.68, 1.68
clmail
Description: application/executable
/* tclient.c - simple client for TCP/IP sockets */
#include netdb.h
#include netinet/in.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/socket.h
#include sys/types.h
#include unistd.h
#include stdlib.h
#include string.h
void die (char *s)
{
printf(Error: %s\n,s);
}
//nclude sockutil.h /* some utility functions */
char init_state = 0;
void printMessage(char *ptr, char type)
{
if(init_state == 0 type == 0) {
init_state = 1;
printf(MsgRx: );
while(*ptr != '(') ptr++;
}
else
{
if(!type)
printf(MsgRx: );
else
printf(MsgTx: );
while(*ptr ' ' *ptr 'z') ptr++;
}
printf(%s\n, ptr);
}
//=
//== M A I N ==
//=
int main(int argc, char ** argv) {
struct sockaddr_in address;
struct in_addr inaddr;
struct hostent * host;
int sock, sock2, nBytes;
int buffsize = 1024;
char Buff[buffsize], cBuff[80];
char *iBuff, *oBuff;
char *cPtr, *iPtr, *oPtr;
iBuff = oBuff = Buff;
strcpy(Buff, );
//=
//== C H E C KA R G S =
//=
if (argc != 6) {
fprintf(stderr, only 5 arguments are supported\n\
useage: smtpserver to from subject message\n\
Note: Subject and message must be enclosed in \\\n);
return 1;
}
/* If the argument can be converted to an IP, do so. If not, try
to look it up in DNS. */
if (inet_aton(argv[1], inaddr))
host = gethostbyaddr((char *) inaddr, sizeof(inaddr), AF_INET);
else
host = gethostbyname(argv[1]);
if (!host) {
/* We can't find an IP number */
herror(error looking up host);
exit(1);
}
//=
//=== C R E A T E S O C K E T ===
//=
if ((sock = socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) 0)
die(socket);
address.sin_family = AF_INET;
address.sin_port = htons(25);
/* Take the first IP address associated with this hostname */
memcpy(address.sin_addr, host-h_addr_list[0], sizeof(address.sin_addr));
if (connect(sock, (struct sockaddr *) address, sizeof(address)))
die(connect);
//else
//printf(\n\nThe connection was accepted by the server %s\n, argv[1]);
//dd
//== I N I T G A T E W A Y =
//
nBytes = recv(sock, Buff, buffsize, 0);
//if(nBytes 0)
// printf(%s\n, Buff);
strcpy(Buff, MAIL FROM: );
strcat(Buff, argv[3]);
strcat(Buff, \n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send 'mail from' command
//printf(%s\n, Buff);
nBytes = recv(sock, Buff, buffsize, 0);
//if(nBytes 0)
// printf(Buff, 0);
strcpy(Buff, RCPT TO: );
strcat(Buff, argv[2]);
strcat(Buff, \n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send mail to command
//printf(%s\n, Buff);
//nBytes = recv(sock, Buff, buffsize, 0);
//if(nBytes 0)
// printf(%s\n, Buff);
strcpy(Buff, DATA\n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send DATA command
//printf(%s\n, Buff);
//nBytes = recv(sock, Buff, buffsize, 0);
//if(nBytes 0)
// printf(%s\n, Buff);
strcpy(Buff, To: );
strcat(Buff, argv[2]);
strcat(Buff, \n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send To command
//printf(%s\n, Buff);
strcpy(Buff, Subject: );
strcat(Buff, argv[4]);
strcat(Buff, \n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send mesage
//printf(%s\n, Buff);
strcat(Buff, argv[5]);
strcat(Buff, \r\n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send mesage
strcpy(Buff, \r\n.\r\n);
send(sock, Buff, strlen(Buff), 0); // send END DATA '.' command
//
Re: [newbie] Publishing in Linux
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:48:02 +0200 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think Adobe (or any software house) will ever be convinced they can make $ out of Linux (hardware firms have woken up to the potential, but that's a qualitativey different situation). However, we will probably see Linux apps which can produce Quark or FrameMaker-compatible documents soon -- after all, KWord is modelled on FrameMaker, I think (possibly one reason why I'm not terribly keen on it - I just can't think in terms of frames). Robin Scribus is intended to be the Linux equivalent of Adobe PageMaker, Quark or Adobe Indesign. It looks promising, is progressing nicely by the looks of it, but is still in the very early stages of development.. http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/index.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[OT] Re: [newbie] Support?
On Sunday 24 March 2002 02:57, David wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:50:16 -0500 sda said onto me: On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 01:01:34PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: OK, I fail geek 101--my filter didn't work. Why oh why do I always take the bait? Exactly why are you? If you people would stop replying, then all would be well. Then why add to it? Heh, I love these Von Neumann-type threads. I recently commented on a spam to another list because I thought it was funny, and received a self-righteous reply (to both myself and the list) telling me I was wasting bandwidth - I mean the guy is so annoyed that I've wasted 3 seconds of his time opening what I admit was a pretty silly post, that he spends much more time to tell me off about it _and_ posts it to the list so other people will waste their time. As I've said before, off-topic/whimsical/silly posts are IMO fine (I generally prefer them to the more serious technical ones) but could people please mark them OT so others who don't want to read them won't, and we don't get our wrists slapped by Netiquette Nanny. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers
Actually some of the Value cards did (do?) not have Digital I/O by design. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of FemmeFatale |Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 5:55 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers | | |*gack!* Digital output? I'd verify a sneaky suspicion I |have. Dell sent out Live cards too... With a caveat, they had |engineered them somehow so they weren't normal LIVE cards anymore! | |They lacked certain features. | |Check gateways site or newsgroups archives for an answer? | |Femme | |Jim Gentry wrote: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] error message on boot up
Hi, I saw in the mail archive a question from you asking about the followin error at the boot: change root to /initrd: error -2 I was wondering if you have any idea to solve it. In the archive, the person that answer your question was pkoch and told you to do a search in the newsgroup. I tried but didn't find nothing.. If you did find that mail, may i ask you to forward to my email address? Thank you in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [BUG?] [SOLVED?] opl3sa2 ISA PnP soundcard in 8.2
Frans, Thank you so much for your post. I now have sound on my machine too. That is one BIG step for me to being ms-free... Dave On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:15:11 +0100 Frans Ketelaars said onto me: After a fresh 'recommended' install of LM8.2 I got no sound and noticed this: [root@amd frans]# cat /etc/modules.conf alias usb-interface usb-ohci alias eth0 3c59x alias sound-slot-0 ad1848 I edited this file to read: [frans@amd frans]$ cat /etc/modules.conf alias usb-interface usb-ohci alias eth0 3c59x #alias sound-slot-0 ad1848 alias sound-slot-0 opl3sa2 After rebooting I have sound support :) pnpdump says: # $Id: pnpdump_main.c,v 1.27 2001/04/30 21:54:53 fox Exp $ # Release isapnptools-1.26 snip # Trying port address 0273 # Board 1 has serial identifier 81 ff ff ff ff 20 00 a8 65 # (DEBUG) (READPORT 0x0273) (ISOLATE PRESERVE) (IDENTIFY *) (VERBOSITY 2) (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING # Card 1: (serial identifier 81 ff ff ff ff 20 00 a8 65) # Vendor Id YMH0020, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0x81. # Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.0 # ANSI string --OPL3-SAX Sound Board-- # # Logical device id YMH0021 snip I had the same problem with LM8.1 and 'modprobing the ALSA driver' worked in 8.1 and 8.2. But now a simple edit of /etc/modules.conf seems enough :) Btw, neither DrakConf (complained about an isa-pnp module while ISA PnP support is compiled into the 'standard' kernel) or 'sndconfig' was able to get me sound support :( Btw2, I'm impressed by the ease of installing LM8.2, with a 'recommended' install, I just had to answer a few simple questions to get on the internet! -Frans -- °°° Mandrake Linux 8.2 Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk KDE 2.2.2 Sylpheed 0.7.4claws David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Homepagewww.davidlsteiner.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers
FemmeFatale wrote: *gack!* Digital output? I'd verify a sneaky suspicion I have. Dell sent out Live cards too... With a caveat, they had engineered them somehow so they weren't normal LIVE cards anymore! They lacked certain features. Check gateways site or newsgroups archives for an answer? Femme Jim Gentry wrote: I have installed ML 8.0, 8.1 and now 8.2 on my Gateway Pentium III. On 8.0 and 8.1, I could not get satisfactory sound from the Gateway OEM version of the SoundBlaster Live Value card that came with the machine. I have the Boston Acoustic Digital speaker set, but the default installation of ALSA 0.5.10(?) sets the master output of the card to analog signal. I have confirmed this with an old pair of speakers. ML 8.2 sets up sound much more reliably than the previous versions -- I even get sound now from my Hauppauge TV card, but the output is still analog. Does anyone know of an option that will turn on digital signal output to the Main output of the SoundBlaster Live Value card? I have asked this question of the ALSA mailing list, but have yet to receive a reply. Thanks for your help. Jim Gentry Charleston, SC Very pleased with ML 8.2, so far. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Thanks, Femme, unfortunately I've already been there. The SB Live card produces digital output in Windows and there is a software control panel with a selection button to enable/disable digital output on the Main (green)output jack. The Rear channel output (black) is always analog and also works in Linux. My BA Digital speakers sound great and I really would love to use them in Linux as well as Windows... Gateway support is (less than?) useless. You even breathe the word Linux and the techdroid goes catatonic. We do not support Linux. (click) I expect you're right about Gateway re-engineering the card to save a few pennies on a connector. BUT the switch is there; Windows can access it, why not Linux? Thanks for the response... Jim Gentry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vaio 505 install reaches 1st base - more questions...
- Original Message - From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well done.. You are having to work at getting this installed ;-) It was down to working round the foibles of the Sony... Mandrake is pretty good at detecting NIC's .. I ditched most of the NIC settings and it seems to be happier during boot. My options for a LAN are presently restricted to the desktop (via a suspect crossover cable ), or the cable modem - neither of them caused the LEDs on the NIC dongle to light up. I kinda thought something would come on even if the drivers were iffy. They come on in a w2k boot. .. You probably just need to set up DHCP if needed, DNS server, Default gateway, and HostName A good tool for this is netconf. It works in X or from the command line. I'll have a fiddle next time I boot it. The command 'ifconfig' is good for looking at NIC status and setting it up on the fly. See 'man ifconfig' for a full breakdown Righty-ho. Yes.. By default Mandrake will mount the first Windows partition as /mnt/windows you can just browse there. Yup, I stumbled over it earlier. If you have trouble writing to the partition (and it is not NTFS) then the permissions in the file /etc/fstab will sort you out. Time to try out the cp command. During the install, it said it had trouble with emacs. I only copied the first CD to the Win partition. Assuming the RPM thingy can be tracked down, is that a decent editor (for a Win/DOS jockey to use quickly without screaming)? If not, what would be a suitable choice? Check out the documentation at http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fdoc.php3 and on your hard drive at /usr/share/doc/mandrake/en/index.html for basic commands and the file structure. That would be handy.. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: error message on boot up
Hi Song, As a quick reply, if I remember correctly, the error disappaeared once I made a directory: mkdir /initrd The problem went away once I did that (I checked my archive on that one) Hth, (If not, give me a bit more info to work with) Regards, Andre On Saturday 23 March 2002 20:55, you wrote: Hi, I saw in the mail archive a question from you asking about the followin error at the boot: change root to /initrd: error -2 I was wondering if you have any idea to solve it. In the archive, the person that answer your question was pkoch and told you to do a search in the newsgroup. I tried but didn't find nothing.. If you did find that mail, may i ask you to forward to my email address? Thank you in advance. -- Please pray the Holy Rosary to end the holocaust of abortion. Remember in your prayers the suffering souls in Purgatory. May God bless you abundantly in His love! For a free Cenacle Scriptural Rosary Booklet -- http://www.webhart.net/csrb/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 8.2 on Dell laptop
Hi, I decided to do a full install on my Dell I8000 laptop. A few glitches. #1.I had to choose a Dell 1400 laptop display in the monitor selection screen..almost all others give this error/tmp/imm.o init_module no such device Even so, I use a 800x600 resolution during the install but it defaults to the 1400 resolution very tinyctrl/alt/+ or - have no effect #2.In Konqueror when I try to access /mnt , it freezes. I think this may be because I have 2 cdroms in the laptop and no floppy. When I go to shutdown I get several error messages like umount : /mnt/floppy : illegal seek..I have to do a hard power off.. I could reinstall the floppy drive (it was there when I installed 8.1) and then once installed, I could pull it and re-install the cdrw Those are my first couple of bugs to be resolved. Any Dell laptop users out there on 8.2? Thanks and regards, Bill W. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
On Saturday 23 March 2002 05:43 pm, you wrote: Ugh... this is on the expert list too...Do an archive search quick...for Eroaster. It'll come up ... last few days. Femme Curt wrote: I've recently done a clean install of 8.1 and installed eroaster, however attempts to burn a cd of 8.2 have failed. I chose the iso tab, browsed to the file, hit the info button to get the file info, then chose the burn cd button - results below As user I got: /bin/bash/cdrecord: Permission denied At one point I found the GUI app to change permissions but can't seem to find it again - though it seems if permissions *were* changed I'd probably get the output below. As root, the output from ECLiPt Roaster is: scidev: '0.0.0' scsibus:0 target:0 lun:o My cd burner is an external Plextor 12/4/32 (SCSI) using CDR media. What do I need to change to get the prog to work? I am very new to Linux and not familiar with CLI Any hints or links to help solve this problem would be greatly appreciated (the link mentioned in the 8.2 readme for cdrecord gives me the 404 error) Curt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I found that if I added the group fileshare to my user in userdrake that eroaster will work. You might try that and let us know how it does. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Publishing in Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dateline: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:48:02 +0200: laying low until the bleeding stops, Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] transmits: I don't think Adobe (or any software house) will ever be convinced they can make $ out of Linux (hardware firms have woken up to the potential, but that's a qualitativey different situation). However, we will probably see Linux apps which can produce Quark or FrameMaker-compatible documents soon -- after all, KWord is modelled on FrameMaker, I think (possibly one reason why I'm not terribly keen on it - I just can't think in terms of frames). I don't think they'll have to be convinced. They will port their apps to Mac OS X because that platform dominates the publishing industry-- well advertising and marketing, anyway. OS X is BSD. How long before we're running Quark in BSD or OS X emulation mode on Linux? My guess is not long. ~ C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAjyc8w8ACgkQBiw56jISYlCsKQCfavXnWv7iVCdagTB8FWDRlfrP NmkAoL86ZOOt96lSPWbt7rqR9DblX/9v =1qpw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Fwd: Re: error message on boot up
-- Message transmis -- Subject: Re: error message on boot up Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:32:10 -0500 From: Song Sourisak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi andré, Same as you, i want it to install the kernel-2.4.8.31.2mdk over the old kernel (i think it was the kernel 2.4.3) on Mandrake 8.0. Lucky enough, i saw your mail in the archive and it fit my question. After searching for a while in the archive, i read if it's not broken, dont fix it and i tried to ignore the error message. Anyway, Hope to hear from you or someone else. Song. Le Samedi 23 Mars 2002 21:16, vous avez écrit : Hi Song, As a quick reply, if I remember correctly, the error disappaeared once I made a directory: mkdir /initrd The problem went away once I did that (I checked my archive on that one) Hth, (If not, give me a bit more info to work with) Regards, Andre On Saturday 23 March 2002 20:55, you wrote: Hi, I saw in the mail archive a question from you asking about the followin error at the boot: change root to /initrd: error -2 I was wondering if you have any idea to solve it. In the archive, the person that answer your question was pkoch and told you to do a search in the newsgroup. I tried but didn't find nothing.. If you did find that mail, may i ask you to forward to my email address? Thank you in advance. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers
Digital output on the SBLive cards does NOT come from the Green output jack. Rather from the YELLOW sub-miniture jack normally used for the Center Channel/Subwoofer, if your card supports this. The card must be set in software to support digital I/O Check the specs (I have). The green jack is analog only AFAIK. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Gentry |Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:00 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2, SB Live Digital Speakers | | |FemmeFatale wrote: | |*gack!* Digital output? I'd verify a sneaky suspicion I have. Dell |sent out Live cards too... With a caveat, they had engineered them |somehow so they weren't normal LIVE cards anymore! | |They lacked certain features. | |Check gateways site or newsgroups archives for an answer? | |Femme | |Jim Gentry wrote: | |I have installed ML 8.0, 8.1 and now 8.2 on my Gateway Pentium III. |On 8.0 and 8.1, I could not get satisfactory sound from the Gateway |OEM version of the SoundBlaster Live Value card that came with the |machine. I have the Boston Acoustic Digital speaker set, but the |default installation of ALSA 0.5.10(?) sets the master output of the |card to analog signal. I have confirmed this with an old pair of |speakers. ML 8.2 sets up sound much more reliably than the previous |versions -- I even get sound now from my Hauppauge TV card, but the |output is still analog. | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Vaio 505 install reaches 1st base - more questions...
I so far use Kate or Advanced editor. Joe is good *but I have yet to figure it out* So is cooledit. *Ditto*. Midnight commander has an editor too...reminiscient of WP 5.x or so. Very nice, WSYWIG doesnt' crash. Femme Wally wrote: Time to try out the cp command. During the install, it said it had trouble with emacs. I only copied the first CD to the Win partition. Assuming the RPM thingy can be tracked down, is that a decent editor (for a Win/DOS jockey to use quickly without screaming)? If not, what would be a suitable choice? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Specifying SMTP from command line
On Saturday 23 March 2002 05:54 pm, Gerald Waugh wrote: On Friday 22 March 2002 03:32 pm, Miark wrote: It's a tad more involved that I had hoped, but if this is the way, then it's the way! OK, I drummed up a rough 'c' program that might help [gerald@gail gerald]$ ./clmail only 5 arguments are supported useage: smtpserver to from subject message Note: Subject and message must be enclosed in Example: clmail smtp.frontstreetnetworks.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] test this this is a test the first arg is the SMTP server, 2nd is TO third is FROM, 4th is SUBJECT, 5th is the MSG. SUBJECT and MSG must be enclosed int copy the executable clmail to /usr/local/bin or someplace so its in your $PATH -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT, United States of America 11:06pm up 2 days, 7:30, 2 users, load average: 1.60, 1.68, 1.63 clmail Description: smtp client Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Living in the real world - Win4Lin4 NO INTEREST TO GEEK FOLKS
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:59:42 +1000, john rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sridhar, First, thanks for all the help I've seen you offer to newbie and geek alike here, me included. I am very happy to discuss the bits of the GNU World that I can, seeing as my contributions technically are zilch! My only skill is really in seeing solutions for sick corporations - and sometimes people who are really ill. But we're not dealing with a corporation here, we're dealing with a community. Anything you do to Mandrake needs to be community-compatible. MOST people like to contribute in some way, there are really very few - and usually very young and frustrated - who don't. As Joy C says, Even Cybervandals (scriptkiddies) usually burn into people by 30. I am very happy to help anyone where I can and discussing practical commerce-oriented matters is where I do have the experience to share is how to do it. Answers to your post : ** - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Living in the real world - Win4Lin4 NO INTEREST TO GEEK FOLKS 2. If you are a serious business user, you NEED to be moving toward voice recognition as you know. No, I don't know. Why would a business need voice recognition? I once tried using Viavoice for a whole year -- my productivity decreased despite my best efforts at speaking clearly (something which I've been told I'm good at) and training the software. These packages often advertise 90%-95% accuracy. This sounds great, until you realise that this means that every 10-20 words will be incorrectly interpreted. John Dvorak recently wrote an interesting article on the topic: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-826862.html. A point at a time: 1. Because real men never did type and modern liberated females won't anymore. :-) Like Dvorak, you might have vocal range problem, much less an accent one. I couldn't imagine a Good Ol' Boy ever getting to use it, or an excitable Southern Indian. :-) I wouldn't know, because I'm not Southern Indian. Your assumption would be like me thinking you're English simply because the name John came from England. I was born in Australia, and years of private school education has trained me to speak clearly and properly. I pronounce my words in the 'proper' (i.e. British) fashion (although this wasn't something which was taught at school), and I don't have a vocal range problem. I was using the British English version of Viavoice, which better suits my voice than the American one. More to the point, at around 40 w.p.m. with 90% accuracy as a typist, VR will break even under most conditions. Over that it drops rapidly. HOWEVER , in the publishing world, in technical material we used to cost on 19 w.p.m. with girls whose rating was 65 w.p.m. in Pittmans test. In the real world ( that phrase again!) it was extremely rare to find an executive that could properly dictate to a stenographer. They were status symbols for the most part. As a professional dictator (ha!) I must say I do know few people as experienced, trained and natural as me at it, for over 30 years. I am approximately 120% more effective/productive using VR. BUT as a typist I am only quite fast - about twice the rate of finished work as an average self-typing person creatively trying to do the two things at once. But poor old Dvorak - a most unhappy puppy alla time - lives in the wannabee world of pontificating pundits. He has no idea of the incredible science and wonder that has got VR this far! But, it isn't for everyone. Like playing with command lines thrashing around with broken software and loving it! :-) Most (probably over 95%) of businesses are still not using voice dictation, and probably won't be doing so for the foreseeable future. What is your definition of incredibly poor presentation? Open source developers usually prefer to focus on code quality rather than polish. MS bangs-and-whistles. * I used to teach methods engineering ( IT speak Systems Analysis) and the very first thing I would stress was: forget the production, write the manual. Do that first and you will always do well. Yes, it is boring - and usually embarrassing, too. But I also meant overall. The physical display of onscreen fonts was not acceptable to a serious user. Imagine trying to write for 5 hours using it. Ah, Systems Analysis! I studied that last year. The course was 100% buzzword-compliant. I don't think I learned anything truly useful from it at all. University IT courses nowadays (at least in Australia) seem to be headed by business and marketing people who know nothing about technology and how it really works. It is these sorts of people who created the entire Dot Com speculative bubble, which as you should know burst and hurt everyone. Ever wonder why countries like Japan and South Korea
[newbie] How to configure a firewall in 8.2
Hi I'm very newbie in linux and i want to configure a firewall in Mandrake 8.2. In Mandrake 8.0 i used to configure the firewall in Mandrake Control center - security. But in 8.2 i can't find it under security. My internet connection is with ADSL, i'm home user and i'm connected about 10 hours a day. Thanks in advance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems
John, First an apology for the long silence. As I said in the last message I needed to boot XP to refresh my memory on what to see you to look for. Went to do that and bang - dead system disk. Nasty rattles and not much else. So I am yet another victim of the now infamous IBM Deskstar disks. Now it's back at the supplier for warranty replacement and I have just got my system rebuilt to the point where I can access e-mail again. So, where were we? Oh yes - your ipconfig response does answer the question and verifies that we are good to go. Now, how are your addresses set up? i.e. What is the output of the ipconfig command on both machines? Once I have that, we can get into making them do something useful through linux. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 22:55, John Lynch wrote: BUGGER!! I'm sorry, but I can't check my network card connections. A giant cupboard is in the way, and I can't get to it. I am 80% sure this is how I am connected. 1 network card in each. telstra modem is connected to WINXP/LINUX, WINXP/LINUX is then connected to WIN98. OOH just got an idea. okay, when I go to the DOS prompt and type in ipconfig it says Windows IP Configuration Ethernet adapter Bigpond: details Ethernet adater LAN: details I HOPE that answers your question. John From: Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Default OS and Internet Problems Date: 23 Mar 2002 22:42:05 +1100 Let's check the network card connections first. Follow the cable from the Telstra modem back to your computer. Where it connects wil be one network card. There is presumably another network card close by with a similar cable which connects to yet another network card in your W98 machine. i.e. XP/Linux box -- W98 box | | Telstra modem I now need to boot XP to refresh my memory on where to tell you to look next - happens so rarely these days I'm getting rusty on Windoze - and loving it! Verify we are right so far while I do that. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 22:26, John Lynch wrote: Thanks a lot Brain for helping btw. okay. THIS is going to take a lot, due to the fact i know NOTHING about computers (but I've gotten this far and learnt a lot, the main thing I've learnt is how little I know about computers, lol) - Yup I have 2 computers. NO IDEA about the network cards, how I do check that? is it important? - I have a cable modem. and Yes the lights are on, on my special modem that telstra supplied (or else this e-mail would be a miracle) - I don't think I have a hub (I've seen one before and I'm pretty sure I don't have one). I only have 2 computers so I am 99% sure my Dad just got a crossed cable between the 2. (I do know that my Windows XP/Linux computer has to be on for my Windows 98 computer to work =( it's annoying). Hope that's a help. From: Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK John, Let's take this a step at a time. First let's establish what you have - please correct any mistakes: - 2 computers, one with 2 network cards installed and the other with one. - a cable modem or adsl modem connected to a line and with lights on. - a hub to whci both computers are connected, or a crossed cable between the computers. Since I know you are in Sydney - same time zone as me - let's just establish that much first and go from there. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 16:43, John Lynch wrote: I know this must have been answered a MILLION and EIGHT times, but I just installed Mandrake, and I have read SOME of the Archives and couldn't find anything. SO your patience is greatly ENVIED and APPRECIATED. I am in Australia, and I have cable with Telstra. I do not know my IP address, I do not know what a hostname is, I do not know anything about my internet connection, so when I installed Mandrake Linux I left it all blank. HOW do I find out the required information? I also have a LAN (2 computers networked) I do not know if they are working. I have not explored the Mandrake system yet due to the fact i want my internet connection and LAN working before my family know what I've done. (they just got home) ALSO I am TERRIBLY sorry if this has already been answered, I am quite sick atm so please forgive me. But How do I access LILO (so I can make XP my default OS and it goes to XP after waiting 5 seconds for me to specify otherwise) in Gnome (that's the desktop I have). THANKYOU very much. John _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Internet sharing problems.
Sounds like you have set it up correctly but hit a known bug in 8.1 Here is the solution from the Mandrake errata page: Error scenario: Internet Connection Sharing (which can be configured from the Mandrake Control Center) will be setup correctly, but does not work after rebooting the system. Why: The default firewall configuration flushes the forwarding rules set up at the beginning of the boot. It happens only if you did not setup the Tiny Firewall from the Mandrake Control Center. Solution: Because the default firewall configuration does nothing but remove existing rules, you can simply remove the instructions to do this by removing, as root, the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file (rm /etc/sysconfig/iptables). If you have configured the Tiny Firewall, this problem will not affect your system. HTH Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 22:50, Drosera wrote: Hi! A few days ago I got my Internet connection working under Mandrake. Now I want to share my Internet connection with my other PC. Under Windows XP it is working correctly so the hardware setup is okay. I can't use the Internet from my second PC I can however ping 192.168.0.1 (The server) and even better I can ping the 2nd network card which is installed in the server from the client! I even can do a ping to www.google.com for example the name is translated to an IP-address (is that the DNS server???) but the ping doesn't come through. So the translation is there but the real ping isn't working :-( Anybody has any ideas? I allready tried the Internet Sharing wizard but that doesn't work :-( Hope on some positive answers :-) Greets and thanks in advance, Drosera. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14-3-2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Internet sharing problems.
Oops, just realised looking at an earlier post that you are using 8.2 where the 8.1 errata presumably doesn't apply. Sounds like a similar issue though. Have you set up a firewall? If not: 1. You probably should 2. It's likely to fix the problem. Brian On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 22:50, Drosera wrote: Hi! A few days ago I got my Internet connection working under Mandrake. Now I want to share my Internet connection with my other PC. Under Windows XP it is working correctly so the hardware setup is okay. I can't use the Internet from my second PC I can however ping 192.168.0.1 (The server) and even better I can ping the 2nd network card which is installed in the server from the client! I even can do a ping to www.google.com for example the name is translated to an IP-address (is that the DNS server???) but the ping doesn't come through. So the translation is there but the real ping isn't working :-( Anybody has any ideas? I allready tried the Internet Sharing wizard but that doesn't work :-( Hope on some positive answers :-) Greets and thanks in advance, Drosera. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14-3-2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
On Saturday 23 March 2002 07:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: I found that if I added the group fileshare to my user in userdrake that eroaster will work. You might try that and let us know how it does. HTH I'll try that wehn I can figure out how to get into UserDrake again - this is what I got last time I tried: I just went back in and verified that cdrecord, cdda2wav, cdparanoia, mkisofs and readcd all had cdwriter as the group. Then I tried to have a look at groups in UserDrake - entered root pswd and got a box headed: Cannot launch UserDrake the dialog said: Cannot lock usr lib, file /etc/ptmp or /etc/gtmp exists Though I am sure I added cdwriter to groups for user 'curt' (I'm the only user) when I run 'cdrecord --scanbus' It tells me: No such file or directory exists. Cannot open SCSI driver For possible targets try cdrecord -scanbus. Which gives the same result. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to configure a firewall in 8.2
Carlos, There are lots of firewalls available, but Bastille seems easy enough to set up using InteractiveBastille. You'll find it on your CD's. Just install that and the Bastille-tk... module then type: InteractiveBastille To start it. Note that this is not a firewall in itself - iptables is built into the kernel. This takes you in a very friendly way through the process of setting up the rules for iptables and then also provides you with opportunities to further secure your system. All good stuff and it comes with lots of explanatory text as you go. Read carefully though. You can lock things up so tight that even you won't get in! HTH Brian On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 16:44, Carlos Jimenez wrote: Hi I'm very newbie in linux and i want to configure a firewall in Mandrake 8.2. In Mandrake 8.0 i used to configure the firewall in Mandrake Control center - security. But in 8.2 i can't find it under security. My internet connection is with ADSL, i'm home user and i'm connected about 10 hours a day. Thanks in advance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to configure a firewall in 8.2
On Saturday 23 March 2002 11:44 pm, you wrote: Hi I'm very newbie in linux and i want to configure a firewall in Mandrake 8.2. In Mandrake 8.0 i used to configure the firewall in Mandrake Control center - security. But in 8.2 i can't find it under security. My internet connection is with ADSL, i'm home user and i'm connected about 10 hours a day. Thanks in advance I guess the easiest way is to open a console and type su and then give the root password. then type cd /sbin and then at the prompt typ InteractiveBastille. This will start the dialog box and you can click through a pretty good firewall installation. Don't select yes on one question that has to do with limiting file sizes for users or something like that. You should recognize it when it pops up. It will break your ability to use the su function as a user. Other than that it is pretty straight forward. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
On Sunday 24 March 2002 12:54 am, you wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 07:30 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: I found that if I added the group fileshare to my user in userdrake that eroaster will work. You might try that and let us know how it does. HTH I'll try that wehn I can figure out how to get into UserDrake again - this is what I got last time I tried: I just went back in and verified that cdrecord, cdda2wav, cdparanoia, mkisofs and readcd all had cdwriter as the group. Then I tried to have a look at groups in UserDrake - entered root pswd and got a box headed: Cannot launch UserDrake the dialog said: Cannot lock usr lib, file /etc/ptmp or /etc/gtmp exists Though I am sure I added cdwriter to groups for user 'curt' (I'm the only user) when I run 'cdrecord --scanbus' It tells me: No such file or directory exists. Cannot open SCSI driver For possible targets try cdrecord -scanbus. Which gives the same result. Take a look in package manager and make sure that cdrecord and some of it's associated files are installed. Just to be sure. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you Install Mandrake 8.2
John Richard Smith wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 17:02, you wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: How do you install Mandrake 8.2. I get only as far as stage 2 install and the install hangs at where it would say next , please wait while probing serial ports What am I doing wrong. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You aren't doing anything wrong except not describing the equipment you are trying to install to, its history, how and where you got the CDs, what other machines you may have tried to install to, etc. Right now, it is impossible to hazard a guess with any assurance of accuracy. Most likely, the problem is with the download or with the burn (medai not reading correctly) but it could be some hardware that hangs when the probe is done in which case an F1 at the splash screen and linux noauto may be the way to make it install. Or it could be a notebook which will _never_ install 8.2 or anything after 7.2. Or it could be an old 486 which MandrakeLinux does not support at all, not since a single beta iso for 7.0. We won't grumble if you give us too much information, and in general the more you give, the better we are able to help. Civileme Thank you for your reply. Before I give you chapter and verse of the full details of my equipement and and it's configuration , I want to report that your suggestion, Linux noauto worked, to the extent that it now goes on to reach the main install window, However doing this bypasses important detection processes , does it not , will this not affect the outcome. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com LOL you can do everything the install does AFTER the install. That is one of the beauties of linux--you rarely need to reboot to confirn changes. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eroaster
On Sunday 24 March 2002 12:07 am, Dennis Myers wrote: Take a look in package manager and make sure that cdrecord and some of it's associated files are installed. Just to be sure. Dennis, cdrecord, cdda2wav, cdparanoia, mkisofs and readcd are what I was told should be there - they all are. Should there be others? Curt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] usb camera
If I remember correctly, you have to add the usb group to your users. Otherwise they don't have any rights Greetings Ralph On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Lee wrote: I know I have seen the answer to this, but I can't find it in my notes anywhere. I get the error message that says only root can mount /camera, and indeed root can open it nicely. I changed ownership to lee but still only root gets to see the pictures. What did I miss? TIA Lee -- Homepage: http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Question in regards to DVD burners and....
I am still using 8.0, but just today I was looking at DVD burners of which I am considering purchasing. Has anyone bought one and have it working as video DVD? As in playable in a DVD player and not just a very expensive coaster. Is this easier or better supported in 8.2. Second, question which is really OT. Have any of you heard of someone running a Linux distro on the new iMac. I heard tow teens arguing it at the store as they were begging mommy and daddy to buy one. Just curious. - The IBM PC was created by people who drank alcohol. The Mac was created by people who smoked pot. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
