Paul Simon on Joe DiMaggio NYT
The passing of Joe DiMaggio is understandably being taken hard in the streets of New York City, consuming conversations here, and, I bet, elsewhere. This man strikes a deep chord around these parts. He was the perfect symbol of the best of my father's WWII generation, a man who maintained that grace--and remote silence-- of his, in the wake of his accomplishments... and personal turmoil. With the WWII generation passing, in this year that the world's gone nostalgic for the 40s (perhaps too much so) and been wanting to salute the Joe DiMaggios, Private Ryan's captain, and "swing music"...I'd also point out that the sons who knew them best, in some ways, have also had some points to make about the chill of that silence, which maybe we can give its due while not forgetting either that getting past that silence was also one of the accomplishments of the so-called sixties. Because grace is a fine thing but it's not the only thing. Our hero would beee the anything but silent Muhhamud Ali--who, by the way, lists DiMaggio as a personal; hero in any case. But we have complicated relationships with those aging fathers. So did the women, those Mrs. Robinsons, who knew they didn't make them like that any more--and had mixed feelings about it too. Paul Simon, who knew some things about what silence sounded like, had this to say in the NY Times this morning; what's interetsing about it to me is the indication that the very smart DiMaggio understood some of this--that there was BOTH yearning and some ironic comment in the Joltin Joe reference of that song. March 9, 1999 The Silent Superstar By PAUL SIMON My opinions regarding the baseball legend Joe DiMaggio would be of no particular interest to the general public were it not for the fact that 30 years ago I wrote the song "Mrs. Robinson," whose lyric "Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you" alluded to and in turn probably enhanced DiMaggio's stature in the American iconographic landscape. A few years after "Mrs. Robinson" rose to No. 1 on the pop charts, I found myself dining at an Italian restaurant where DiMaggio was seated with a party of friends. I'd heard a rumor that he was upset with the song and had considered a lawsuit, so it was with some trepidation that I walked over and introduced myself as its composer. I needn't have worried: he was perfectly cordial and invited me to sit down, whereupon we immediately fell into conversation about the only subject we had in common. "What I don't understand," he said, "is why you ask where I've gone. I just did a Mr. Coffee commercial, I'm a spokesman for the Bowery Savings Bank and I haven't gone anywhere." I said that I didn't mean the lines literally, that I thought of him as an American hero and that genuine heroes were in short supply. He accepted the explanation and thanked me. We shook hands and said good night. Now, in the shadow of his passing, I find myself wondering about that explanation. Yes, he was a cultural icon, a hero if you will, but not of my generation. He belonged to my father's youth: he was a World War II guy whose career began in the days of Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig and ended with the arrival of the youthful Mickey Mantle (who was, in truth, my favorite ballplayer). In the 50's and 60's, it was fashionable to refer to baseball as a metaphor for America, and DiMaggio represented the values of that America: excellence and fulfillment of duty (he often played in pain), combined with a grace that implied a purity of spirit, an off-the-field dignity and a jealously guarded private life. It was said that he still grieved for his former wife, Marilyn Monroe, and sent fresh flowers to her grave every week. Yet as a man who married one of America's most famous and famously neurotic women, he never spoke of her in public or in print. He understood the power of silence. He was the antithesis of the iconoclastic, mind-expanding, authority-defying 60's, which is why I think he suspected a hidden meaning in my lyrics. The fact that the lines were sincere and that they've been embraced over the years as a yearning for heroes and heroism speaks to the subconscious desires of the culture. We need heroes, and we search for candidates to be anointed. Why do we do this even as we know the attribution of heroic characteristics is almost always a distortion? Deconstructed and scrutinized, the hero turns out to be as petty and ego-driven as you and I. We know, but still we anoint. We deify, though we know the deification often kills, as in the cases of Elvis Presley, Princess Diana and John Lennon. Even when the recipient's life is spared, the fame and idolatry poison and injure. There is no doubt in my mind that DiMaggio suffered for being DiMaggio. We inflict this damage without malice because we are enthralled by myths, stories and allegories. The son of Italian immigrants, the father a
About all this Todd Larson whoop-dee-do
I'm with Todd and I dont want anybody runnin' down UT. But I dont really think that was what Cheryl was up to. As she said during Neal's Eradication Game a few weeks ago, she doesnt really have the kill instinct for anyone but rock critics. I think the problem is the overhype and the fans who get caught in the middle of it, NOT the supposed snobbishness or dustiness of some of the more learned traditionalists. Most of the problem is with the dimwit rock press. But there have also been many times since I've been on this list (about three and a half years) folks have jumped into debates and, with all of the politeness and finesse of Matt Cook, insisted things like "Uncle Tupelo started alt-country!" or "Uncle Tupelo was the first to mix punk and country!" or "Uncle Tupelo was more true to *real* country than mainstream country music!" All of which are flat-out wrong. (If this seems exaggerated, look at the quote about Hank Williams on the bank of the second Bloodshot alt-country sampler, which is nothing short of obnoxious and absurd, particularly given what's on the disc.) I dont think that correcting misinformation like that implies any disrespect for either Uncle Tupelo or the people who like them. (Which would be the camp I'm in.) I dont think having someone admit that they dont much like Uncle Tupelo -- and I think most of those people have been pretty respectful in the way they've said so -- implies such disrespect either. Personally, I dont know why anyone would give a rat's ass if someone else didnt like your favorite band. If they're your favorite, that's all you need to know, isnt it? Going on in this vein Jim wrote: Also, Terry, you were on record as saying that (I am paraphrasing) all UT started was a bunch of former rock/punkers starting to twang-it-up which has made it harder for you to seperate the wheat from the chaff, etc. And this statement could easily be construed as aggresiveness towards the UT fan, which flies in the face of your statements above. And I wonder why Jim thinks this says anything about a UT fan at all. When I first joined this list there was often a lot of hype about this or that new record in the UT/Son Volt/Wilco vein and most of them were disappointing. They didnt have that country feel that I heard in UT (and which other people, like Jon W., dont hear). It was more like alternative rock with a banjo thrown in. It's sorta like the Damnations TX, who I also like a lot. Their record is a very country *sounding* record, but in terms of the songs, the lyrics, the sensibility, it isnt very country at all. If you come from a rock background and you like countryish rock, that's probably sufficient. But if you come from a more country orientation, you might well get through track 13 wondering where the country was. And of course that tends to provoke protests that "This isnt country!" And off we go. I'm not suggesting that what people should do now is go sit in their corners and play nice. I think this is just the nature of the beast of having people from such different backgrounds at the table. Will Miner Denver, CO
Re: Info on Black Beauty/Senor Smoke
vgs399 wrote: I am looking for some background on the Michigan group, Black Beauty (new LP, "Senor Smoke"). Any help on background, website etc: appreciated, on or off-list. Thank you, Tera Dont know about the band, but Senor Smoke is Auerelio Lopez, a hard throwing relief pitcher for the Detroit Tigers back in the 80s glory days.
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Ian Durkacz wrote: ."Paths Of Glory" "was banned in France until relatively recently because of its unflattering depiction of the French army". Amazing. As if! French thread anyone? Sorry, but theyre talking basketball on Twangfest. Which reminds me. Someone mentioned the Damnations appearing at Twangfest. Is this true? Is the lineup set? Stuart
Re: bad news concerning George Jones]
that people who cant hang up while they drive drive as badly as a drunk driver. I've known too many people who've had their cars totaled by dimwits who couldnt be alone with themselves in a car for a few minutes. Exactly; what I'm always wondering, as someone who has never owned a cell phone and has somehow survived nonethless-just what the hell are all of these folks talking about all the time? The few times I've ever absolutely had to make a call from my car I've taken the radical step of looking for a well-lit spot at a gas station and putting 35 cents inside it. And how in tarnation are they paying for it? Every cell-phone bill I've ever seen or heard of was damn-near confiscatory insofar as the charges. For emergencies I can see owning the things, but as far as everyday usage, unless your company's fronting it...I just have a hard time seeing the fascination. Now, funny little machines that you can type into.g bringback the party lines! dan bentele, on one of his fluffy streaks.
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
My brother - who's a year younger than me - was horrified by the movie. "Quit laughing, Jon! This isn't funny! Nuclear war isn't funny!" You gotta admit tho, Jon, *that* is brilliant. bio-chemical war ain't funny either, dan n.p. uhh..."Masters Of War", or something like that.
Biller and Wakefield and Les Negresses Vertes
Coitesy of E-PUlse: 1. LICKS OF THE WEEK: What is it about the steel guitar that contributes to the good-nature of Western swing music? Is it the shimmering slide vibrato that makes notes and chords float easily above the rest of an ensemble? Or the complex series of string-bending pedals that can be used to send notes careening around like a handful of stirred-up fireflies. Or maybe it's just the good nature steel players bring to the genre. Whichever, Jeremy Wakefield and his pedal steel, two stars of 'THE HOT GUITARS OF BILLER AND WAKEFIELD' (HMG/Hightone, out now), have it in spades. Cuts such as "Martian Guts," on which Wakefield trades rapid-fire licks with Telecaster man Dave Biller (no slouch himself) and Robert Williams' "Steel Crazy," which sports a guest vocal by Big Sandy, feature inspired, mood-lightening steel playing. "Grinding Geers" and "Siamese Strings" make good on the music's cartoony potential, bringing to mind the cute dancing bugs or forest animals from some '30s-era Warner Bros. animated short. Biller gets in on the act during "Good Enough," basically an excuse to turn periodic stops to tune up into a running joke. Loose, open-room production, courtesy guitar phenom Deke Dickerson (who also chimes-in on vocals here and there), lends a freewheeling air to the entire session. But make no mistake: none of the light mood that characterizes 'Hot Guitars' undercuts the seriousness of Biller Wakefield's chops. A sure bet for guitar freaks and fans of upbeat, happy music alike. (Hammad) 4. ADVANCE WORD OF THE WEEK: When arranging a phone call with producer HOWIE B to discuss his contribution to the minimalism-meets-electronica 'Reich Remix' compilation (Nonesuch, 3/2), his London management explains why he's so darn difficult to track down at the moment. Howie's deep in Paris, recording a new album by LES NEGRESSES VERTES in, reportedly, an abandoned theater he transformed into a recording studio after the assigned studio proved inhospitable. Given the relative disappointment of his recent dub-meets-electronica project with Sly and Robbie, 'Strip to the Bone' (Palm Pictures), the news of the emergent gypsy-busking-dance-hybrid-meets-electronica is welcome indeed. Howie's best known for Skylab, a minutes-ahead-of-its-time international electronic quartet, as well as for producing and/or remixing, among others, Everything but the Girl, U2 (as a member of Passengers, along with Brian Eno), Tricky and Robbie Robertson, and for his small output of solo recordings. The Green Black Ladies (loose translation) have struggled a bit, musically at least, since the passing in 1993 of Helno, the closest thing to a lead singer that the marvelous anarchic collective had achieved. Frequently compared with the Pogues' Shane MacGowan -- inevitably, given the pair's drunken-punk-crooner stylings -- Helno lent a further layer of grit to LNV's already gritty music -- itself a force of rural violins, folk-ritual drumming, cabaret mysticism, and washboard-stroked acoustic guitars. "There's five of them right now," says Howie, regarding LNV's ever-fluid membership. "It's a wicked little vibe. We're nine tracks into the album. It's really very much song-based, but a lot of humor, and a lot of seriousness, very groove-oriented, an avenue they haven't been down. It's a mix of heavy acoustic and really good songs, and magic groove." (Weidenbaum)
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Roll, you're a lunatic. But I'll concede the real reason I've declined to set Uncle Tupelo on a pedestal and worship at their feet is the way they used to play rock songs. They'd get going, I'd get into the swing of things, and then they'd pull off one of those annoying stops, and then starts, and then stops, and then starts. Shit, I like my music to keep on rolling, and those guys were playing games with my ears. So there you have it. The rest of my over-intellectualizing pedantry -- advancing the stunning notion that UT fits into a continuum of music, and doesn't stand above folks like Lucinda, Dave Alvin, Neil Young, Doug Sahm, where alternative forms of country music are concerned -- is just pissiness brought on by having to stay home with the kids on -- yet another -- snow day. Now I've got to go out and intellectualize with a snow shovel. -- Terry Smith
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 9-Mar-99 Re: Tweedy quote/alt.countr.. by "Terry A. Smith"@seorf.O But I'll concede the real reason I've declined to set Uncle Tupelo on a pedestal and worship at their feet is the way they used to play rock songs. They'd get going, I'd get into the swing of things, and then they'd pull off one of those annoying stops, and then starts, and then stops, and then starts. I dug that wish Farrar would do it more now. Carl Z. snowbound
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country
stuart wrote: I happened to catch Man in the Sand (the film about making Mermaid Avenue) on BBC, Whoa. Is this available anywhere here in the US? Off-list replies are fine if y'all discussed this to death while I was hiding. Dave, who is still laughing over having just heard new Cincinnati transplant Mojo Nixon on the radio, singing a song about Princess Di... *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: About all this Todd Larson whoop-dee-do
My turn! I heart Will Miner. And not just 'cause he plays the same guitars as me. Dave Will Miner wrote: I'm with Todd and I dont want anybody runnin' down UT. But I dont really think that was what Cheryl was up to. As she said during Neal's Eradication Game a few weeks ago, she doesnt really have the kill instinct for anyone but rock critics. I think the problem is the overhype and the fans who get caught in the middle of it, NOT the supposed snobbishness or dustiness of some of the more learned traditionalists. Most of the problem is with the dimwit rock press. But there have also been many times since I've been on this list (about three and a half years) folks have jumped into debates and, with all of the politeness and finesse of Matt Cook, insisted things like "Uncle Tupelo started alt-country!" or "Uncle Tupelo was the first to mix punk and country!" or "Uncle Tupelo was more true to *real* country than mainstream country music!" All of which are flat-out wrong. *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
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RE: About all this Todd Larson whoop-dee-do
-Original Message- From: Dave Purcell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 9:00 AM To: passenger side Subject: Re: About all this Todd Larson whoop-dee-do My turn! I heart Will Miner. And not just 'cause he plays the same guitars as me. Dave [Matt Benz] So you also love the guy from REO Speedwagon?
FW: Report On Charles Wolfe
-Original Message- From: Bluegrass music discussion. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Report On Charles Wolfe I'm delighted to report that noted Country Music and Grand Ole Opry historian Dr. Charles Wolfe is slowly but successfully recuperating from his recent heart failure. He's still in a Nashville hospital but is ambulatory and expected to return soon to his museum of a home. But when he's home, Charles will not be able to take phonecalls or visits for some time. Cards would be welcome--especially funny ones--at his home: 1210 Bond Court, Murfreesboro TN 37129. Let''s hope Charles will be well enough to be involved in the promotion of his soon to be published "A Good Natured Riot," a history of the Grand Ole Opry from 1925 to the late '30s. It's being published by Vanderbilt University Press and is an exhaustive rewrite of his "Grand Ole Opry, the Early Years" that was published in England in the 60s. Then Dr. Wolfe has to get back to work on his long-anticipated biography of the Grand Ole Opry's first super- star and pioneer country music recording artist: Uncle Dave Macon. We also look forward to Charles' judging next July at Murfreesboro's annual Uncle Dave Macon Days... Get better soon, Charles!! BILL KNOWLTON: "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY (since 1973) "Well, I finally got me ONE good daughter in law, which means I got a hundred 'cause the other two are ZEROS!"--Uncle Dave Macon
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Actually as absurd as this is gonna sound, you are not really the pedant/intellectualizing type Terry. I am sorry. You did manage to get a little condescension in there in my opinion, but ultimately your initial post had a bit too much passion. I am sorry. g -jim On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Terry A. Smith wrote: Roll, you're a lunatic. But I'll concede the real reason I've declined to set Uncle Tupelo on a pedestal and worship at their feet is the way they used to play rock songs. They'd get going, I'd get into the swing of things, and then they'd pull off one of those annoying stops, and then starts, and then stops, and then starts. Shit, I like my music to keep on rolling, and those guys were playing games with my ears. So there you have it. The rest of my over-intellectualizing pedantry -- advancing the stunning notion that UT fits into a continuum of music, and doesn't stand above folks like Lucinda, Dave Alvin, Neil Young, Doug Sahm, where alternative forms of country music are concerned -- is just pissiness brought on by having to stay home with the kids on -- yet another -- snow day. Now I've got to go out and intellectualize with a snow shovel. -- Terry Smith
Re: Fw: HOOPS
Christopher M Knaus wrote: Hey there, I posted this over on the Fluff list so I figured I'd send it here too. All trash talking, gloating, sulking, etc. will take place on the Fluff list. Later... CK Since my return to P2, I keep seeing reference to a "fluff list". Is this for real? -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Fw: HOOPS
On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:43:43 -0600 Joe Gracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since my return to P2, I keep seeing reference to a "fluff list". Is this for real? Yeah, what's the deal? And how can there be a whole list devoted to Twangfest? William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
Bad Mail Day
Howdy, Every so often, for some unknown reason, mail sent to me from P2 and/or Twangfest causes my mailbox to more or less self-destruct. The result is, that pretty much any e-mail I should have received between 8:30 last night (Eastern) and 10:00 this morning has been obliterated. If any off-list mail was sent to me during that time period, please re-send. Thanks, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SXSW: off-festival events??
Here is the tentative schedule of acts at Cheapo Records on Lamar and 10th Street. Wednesday, March 17th: 7:00pm Courtney Audain FUZE (Austin) RB/Pop influenced by World Beat Thursday, March 18th: Noon: The Billygoats (Nashville, TN) Pop-a-billy 1:00pm Tony Maserati (Austin) 50's Rock Roll 2:00pm T. Jarrod Bonta (Austin) Country Swing 3:00pm The Dusty 45's (Seattle, WA) High energy rockabilly, swing 4:00pm James Intveld (Los Angeles, CA) Supurb roots-americana 5:00pm Split Lip Rayfield (Wichita, KS) Psycho-bluegrass 6:00pm The Horton Brothers (Austin) Boppin hillbilly harmonies 7:00pm The Jive Bombers (Austin) snappy traditional swing 8:00pm Robbie Fulks Friday, March 19th: Noon: Eric Hisaw (Austin) Southwest folk 1:00pm Dallas Wayne (Finland) Country, folk-rock 2:00 Vic Valore (Minneapolis, MN) Ratpack lounge/swing 3:00 Hillbilly Idol (Cleveland, OH) Roots country 4:00 The Piners (Portland, ME) Americana 5:00 (TBA) 6:00 Stephen Lee Canner (Austin, TX) Hillbilly bop 7:00 American Standards (Austin, TX) Texas hot-rockabilly Saturday, March 19th: Noon: Honey Dogs (Minneapolis, MN) country rock 1:00 pm Paul Burch (Nashville, TN) 2:00 Three Cent Stomp (Chicago, IL) Swing 3:00 (TBA) 4:00 Hot Head Swing Band (Minneapolis, MN) 20's Hot Jazz 5:00 Chrome Addicts (Sacramento, CA) Adrenaline-based blues 6:00 (TBA)7:00 (TBA)
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country
stuart wrote: I happened to catch Man in the Sand (the film about making Mermaid Avenue) on BBC, Whoa. Is this available anywhere here in the US? Off-list replies are fine if y'all discussed this to death while I was hiding. Dave Purcell I happened to be in England the same time as Stuart--and caught most of that same show late at night, wide awake post-jet lag...and yeah, it certainly showed pieces of antagonism (and apparent reconciliation) between the Bragg and Tweedy camps--and there seem to have been camps.. I know this has been shown nowhere in the US yet, Senor Purcell--but I got the impression from the credits (was it one of those Channel 4/AE coproductions?) that there were some Yanks involved in the thing, and that it would almost cerrainly show up here. I'd guess you can watch for it on big city PBS stations (and then others) during Rich Lefty Pledge Week; they've finally got something to show besides that Weavers film! Barry
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
yes, I have gotten that Shania crap. Could not figure out who sent it. Get this ya'll. A freind of mine who is setting up a tour for me in Canada this summer just got thru working production at the big rodeo in Houston, where many country acts played, including Shania. He said that most the show was taped (including vocals). How do artists plan to get away with this. Remember what happened to ELO. They sure end up looking like fools if the DAT fails. Oh well... Nancy flat is better than fraud
Re: Fw: HOOPS / fluff list
Joe and William, Yes there is an entire other list, a sort of parallel list called "twangfest." It's populated by P2ers and devoted to inconsequential musings, jokes, planning for out-of-town music trips, personal but good-natured insults, and most anything that would be off-topic here on P2. Right now, for instance, there's some soul-searching going on as to whether "sports" is as admissable a "fluff" topic as food or Foucault. Just joking, Foucault's definitely out g... So it's not focussed on Twangfest as such, but started as an outlet for all the "fluff" and non-music topics and threads that were fun but irrelevant here on the P2 mothership. As I recall, it was originally called "twangfest" cause it was a place where people could talk about the intensity of their Twangfest hangovers and other Tfest-related "gossip" without crowding P2 with this and bugging all the P2ers who probably weren't interested in it. The general rule there is "no music," since we try to reserve all that for P2. I've lost the subscription address but I'm sure some others have that... --junior
Encyclopedia CD-ROm questions
Jon wrote: Re: Country.com encyclopedia: Walser's in there, and so are Dale Watson, Kelly Willis, Townes Van Zandt, BR5-49, Julie Buddy Miller, the Flatlanders and Foster Lloyd, to take a few randomly-chosen (ha) instances. I have the disk with me today. Jon you need to be more careful with your "facts" especially when you either don't have the material being discussed in front of you or are assuming something based on previous knowledge. Of the above list there is only info Townes and BR5-49 on the CD. FYI-They include Connie Cato (?) but not Lucinda Williams. Let me know if there's anything else you'd like to know about it. Jim, smilin'
RE: Encyclopedia CD-ROm questions
Jon wrote: Re: Country.com encyclopedia: Walser's in there, and so are Dale Watson, Kelly Willis, Townes Van Zandt, BR5-49, Julie Buddy Miller, the Flatlanders and Foster Lloyd, to take a few randomly-chosen (ha) instances. I have the disk with me today. Jon you need to be more careful with your "facts" especially when you either don't have the material being discussed in front of you or are assuming something based on previous knowledge. Of the above list there is only info Townes and BR5-49 on the CD. All of them are in the print edition. Maybe you can trade in the CD. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: Encyclopedia CD-ROm questions
Well, if you're going to make a mistake, it might as well be a big, stupid one. Having misread Jim's initial post, I've been blithely going along thinking that he was referring to a CD-ROM version of the recent Encyclopedia Of Country Music, which, I just now realized, is...what's the right word here? Oh, yeah: WRONG! My apologies, Jim. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: Encyclopedia CD-ROm questions
Well, if you're going to make a mistake, it might as well be a big, stupid one. Having misread Jim's initial post, I've been blithely going along thinking that he was referring to a CD-ROM version of the recent Encyclopedia Of Country Music, which, I just now realized, is...what's the right word here? Oh, yeah: WRONG! And, just in case anyone else is as slow as I was in tracking this, the country.com encyclopedia CD-ROM that Jim refers to is the one based on the Carlin book that Don Yates and I (and, I think, a couple of others) jumped on a month or more ago, when news of the CD-ROM first appeared. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: Cuddy (was: Re: Clip: Birthplace of Country Music Museum Ope
Reply to: RE: Cuddy (was: Re: Clip: Birthplace of Country Music Museum I finally managed to track this album down about a month ago (it's Canadien only at this point - on WEA). I think it's great. Melodically very much like Cuddy's stuff with Blue Rodeo, maybe a little sturdier. There are at least a couple of the guys from BR on the record, though not Greg Keelor. (Jeff Tweedy sings a duet on one song.) Maybe because I've found Keelor's songs and guitar playing on the last couple of Blue Rodeo albums annoying, I find myself enjoying this more. Ameritwang wrote: not to bring music outside of UT/SV/W into the mix, but how does this stand up in regards to Blue Rodeo? (i think this *has* been discussed before, but oh well) Paul ps: what label is it on?
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Fair enough, Todd. The most interesting aspect of this thread for me was seeing the residual (but powerful) respect and support for UT et al that exists on this list. I'm surprised, I guess, because whenever there's a sort of reflexive dismissal of the alt.country field -- many of whose bands were inspired by UT et al -- we're likely to see not a peep of protest or argument. The suggestion that "skill" is something that's solidly on the country side of the tracks sometimes goes unchallenged, too. I'd just like to see more sturdy debate from the rock side of things, rather than allowing the "country side" have the field. Me, of course, I'm on the polka side of the tracks! -- Terry Smith nr(reading): Robert Harris' "Archangel" about the modern-day discovery of Stalin's secret heir, living like a hermit in the woods near the White Sea. Great novel. So, was J. Stalin worse than Hitler?
Car Tunes/plus f-word comments/preachy
Here is the Car Tunes Show from yesterday Mentioned several times for everyone to please pray for George Jones. Please read my comments at the end out the word fuck March 8, 1999 Car Tunes 4-6 Pm Mondays on WEVL FM 90 in Memphis, TN George Jones - Why Baby Why Hadacol - Big Tornado Riverbluff Clan - Opal's Prayer / Until I'm Gone Robert Earl Keen - I'm Going to Town Elena Skye - I'll Try Not To Cry Tonight The Ghost Rockets - Under The Table Janis Martin - My Boy Elvis Groove Grass 101 - Howdy Martin's Folly - She Comes Around Ex Husbands - I Was Born To Wander Terry Allen - Southern Comfort Clarence Gatemouth Brown - Tulsa Time Jessica Andrews - Hungry Love Brooks Williams - My Love Will Follow You Asylum Street Spankers - Cake Walk (another album I wish they put a notice on about the f-word for us that are trying to cover our ass) Jimmy Murphy - You Touched Me and Made Me Live Again George Jones - I Can Live Forever Wilco - I'm Always In Love Gravel Train - Fine Upstanding Man Claudia Church - Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow Mark David Manders - Friend Like You Iguanas - You Killed My Buzz Hogwaller Ramblers - You're a Mess Cheryl Wheeler - Potato Steve Earle and Del Mc - Leroy's Dust Bowl Blues Lone Justice - Cotton Belt Lucinda Williams - Still I Long For Your Kiss Lucinda Williams - Joy Paul Burch - Long Tall Glass Of Water George Jones - May The Circle Be Unbroken Ok, so I have had a lot of crap going on and will spare you the miserable details, but the last darn thing I want to worry about is playing a word on a radio show that I volunteer for that will get me in hot water, or the station. I want to once again comment on the use of the word fuck in recorded music. I personally don't care if the artist wants to do this. Sometimes it is the only way to get the point across. Example: I am fucken tired of bands sending radio with the word fuck slipped in without any mention of it! (Get it she says as she grins really big). Most of the records I get at home are not edited for radio because I also do reviews etc. So I have to really make sure before I broadcast anything on Car Tunes. However, WEVL gives me numerous CDs every week to screen for them, to see if it is something we might want to include on some of the WEVL shows. It sure would be nice if these records we get at the station had a mention that they use one of the 7 words we are not allowed to broadcast, so we would not have to waste precious time week after week listening over and over to make sure that we don't let something slip thru the cracks. If there was a sticker saying that word was there, I could simply skip that song. I was really grooving the Street Spankers CD when WEVL gave it to me to approve. then out of the blue, there it is. No lyrics printed for me to double check against. This really sucked. I have not had a chance to listen again, but I think even the Terry Allen has "shit" I can't play. PLEASE get the word out to bands you know or work with to help us out at radio. After all, we are helping you by playing your music (when it's good, or does not have one of those "dirty evil" words...) Come on!!! Remember we have to do what the FCC says, we are not in a country that is radio-hip-free. Man, I am in the Bible Belt.. Help me out Hat's off to the Hogwaller Ramblers for the sticker they had on the front of the CD I recieved. If they got that idea from here, thanks for listening. Let's don't drag this thru the wringer again here, but PLEASE forward this to anyone you know that sends CDs to radio stations. Thanks Nancy
Re: Jann Browne
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:19:57 + Dallas Clemmons said: Some time back there was a question here about Jann Browne...for those of you in the SoCal area, she will be playing tomorrow (Friday) night at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano with Chris Gaffney and Patty Booker. (There's a short piece in today's LA Times about Browne and Gaffney, if you want to check out the web site or perhaps, ahem, someone could clip it) and will also be in San Juan Capistrano next weekend, appearing (for free) at the Swallow's Inn on March 12 and 13. I was the one who asked about Jann Browne a couple of weeks back so I might as well add that any of you WestCoast SoCalers should definitely check her out this weekend if you didn't already. Her 1st album is pretty much flawless and her other two are pretty solid as well. And truly one of the most underappreciated singers in alt-country/country/whatever over the last 10-15 years. Somewhere between Neko Case and Emmylou. I'm pretty sure all her stuff is out of print, but if you see 'em in a cutout bin somewhere, definitely pick them up. Evan p.s. So how was the show? Also, is she living in California now? I thought she had moved to Nashville. Dallas btw, anyone going to be at the Haggard show at the Coach House next Thursday?
RE: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
The suggestion that "skill" is something that's solidly on the country side of the tracks... Uh-oh, time for some clarification, or maybe backtracking g. I don't think I've argued that skill (why the quotes?) is something that's solidly on the country side of the tracks; I have argued, and I think there's plenty of evidence to support it, that craft is respected and valued in the country tradition in ways that it seems not to be, or at least not as much, elsewhere. One indicator, though not the only one, is the persistence of instrumental pieces in the country tradition, especially in bluegrass, cajun, old-time and other forms, though it can still be found in the mainstream, even today. Yes, they're often (though far from always) dance-related, but even so, recognition of and admiration for the musicians' abilities to just play well (as opposed to expressing particular emotions or thoughts) are important elements in the appreciation of these. I'd be hard-pressed to think of examples of instrumentals in the alt.country field that don't fall pretty clearly into the out-of-classic-country stream, rather than the, er, UT-and-before-and-after one. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Tangent of == Re: Car Tunes/plus f-word comments/preachy
Nancy wrote: Remember we have to do what the FCC says, we are not in a country that is radio-hip- free. Man, I am in the Bible Belt.. Help me out Just curious, and not trying to bait anyone, but if this had been a show that was *only* available over the Internet, then I believe it would not be under ANY scrutiny, correct? My understanding is that there is no governing body which oversees (limits/controls) what is "broadcast" over the Internet. Good/bad taste, genre preferences aside, webcasting makes is possible to send whatever you want over the Internet and there are no regulatory licensing requirements with the FCC (BMI and ASCAP have Internet license requirements). Along with the lack of FCC regs, the costs for webcasting are much lower (barriers to entry are minimized). All facts/experiences appreciated. I'm finishing up my thesis on this very topic, which even on good days is like a moving target. Thanks in advance for your help, Kate.
instrumentally speaking (was Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG))
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 9-Mar-99 RE: Tweedy quote/alt.countr.. by "Jon Weisberger"@fuse.ne I'd be hard-pressed to think of examples of instrumentals in the alt.country field that don't fall pretty clearly into the out-of-classic-country stream, rather than the, er, UT-and-before-and-after one. One problem I see with your logic, Jon, is that much of the rock side of alt.country's influences (especially the punk artists), for whatever reason, don't include many instrumentals. Bands influenced by the Clash, the Sex Pistols, and the Velvet Ungerground tend to sing (or shout), because vocals are essential to their music. Having said that, Victor Krummenacher's past two records each feature a nice instrumental -- the one on his last album owes a bit to Fleetwood Mac's "Albatross". The Sadies have a few on their album (I think the surf influence has a lot to do with it -- Alex, can you think of other surf-influenced alt.country types?), and Pinetop Seven's been known to do one or two. The Waco's did Geronimo on their first record. But these are atypical examples. Waiting to see mention of a Greg Ginn-influenced Western Swing instrumental band, Carl Z.
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Ian Durkacz wrote: I'm thinking of "Paths Of Glory" with Kirk Douglas, Ralph Meeker and the wonderful Adolphe Menjou. That is a fabulous and powerful film. As a related note, the obituary for Kubrick published here in yesterday's 'Guardian' newspaper here (see http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/news/0308/kubrick1.html, and further links) mentions that that film "was banned in France until relatively recently because of its unflattering depiction of the French army". Amazing. Well, maybe, maybe not. The French Army did experience a pretty general mutiny in 1917, which the movie represents in miniature, and hundreds were executed, either like those guys in "Paths Of Glory" or by the simpler expedient of having them shelled much as the general attempts to do in the film. It's understandable to me that this wasn't considered desirable entertainment by the French censors. Indeed, until the Vietnam War, I wonder how many similar depictions of cowardice, treachery, and malfeasance by commanders would have been seen by the US moviegoing public?And Ian, BTW, was "A Clockwork Orange" in fact banned in the UK as was reported here? "A Clockwork Orange" was my favorite movie for years, and while I can understand why others have quite the opposite reaction, I wondered why it was banned. b.s. n.p. Strawbs HALCYON DAYS
Stalin WAS: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Terry wonders: nr(reading): Robert Harris' "Archangel" about the modern-day discovery of Stalin's secret heir, living like a hermit in the woods near the White Sea. Great novel. So, was J. Stalin worse than Hitler? Stalin said something like, "One murder is a tragedy. One million murders is a statistic." By dint of numbers and time spent in complete control, I'd say Stalin was worse. But once dictators pass a certain threshold of being an abomination, is it possible to quantify these things? Kelly
Re: instrumentally speaking (was Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG))
Sez Carl: One problem I see with your logic, Jon, is that much of the rock side of alt.country's influences (especially the punk artists), for whatever reason, don't include many instrumentals. Bands influenced by the Clash, the Sex Pistols, and the Velvet Ungerground tend to sing (or shout), because vocals are essential to their music. Sez Jon: That's my point. Even hedged with all kinds of qualifications, I think it's fair to say that in general, where vocals are essential, there's an orientation toward communicating emotions, ideas, etc., and technique and, well, skill - at least instrumental - are more than occasionally seen as, at best, irrelevant to that. See, now, and I thought the whole *point* of punk was to *not* be able to play well. I am not being facetious here. I thought the general punk stance was "F**k this elitist, bourgeois, closed music system. We're gonna play even though we don't know how, and maybe that'll turn the world of music on its ear, and even if it doesn't we'll have a good time with our mates making a whole lot of noise. Being all tied up in technique and knowing how to play is for wankers. Tear up everything." Why have instrumentals if it's important not to be one of those wankers who know how to play? Kelly, ready to have her simplistic understanding of punk adjusted NPIMH "All I Am Is Loving You" by The Teardrop Explodes
Re: instrumentally speaking
Another problem with instrumentals in the alt.country field is that the lack of voices almost automatically pushes the music into either the alt. or country side of things. Without those Freakwatery voices, most bands are going to sound a lot less country. A notable exception would be Jim Campilongo and the Ten Gallon Cats (featuring Jim Campilongo, guitar and Joe Goldmark, pedal steel). Their first album especially showed off instrumental cowboy jazz with a bit more edge to the guitar tone than used by most people working in this vein. A Greg Ginn-influenced Western Swing band? Dude, I'm there. I'd prefer a Robert Fripp influence. The real question is why hasn't there been more of a push towards that combination of sounds. Blood on the Saddle was probably as close as I've heard.
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Terry Smith: nr(reading). Great novel. So, was J. Stalin worse than Hitler? Well, Stalin liked sports; Hitler liked music. It bent these men a little, positively bent them. Barry (These are the wages of synthesis.)
RE: Stalin WAS: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
-Original Message- From: William F. Silvers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Good question. And I'd agree with you that Stalin was indeed worse than Hitler, though certainly they're both waaay past that "threshold" you mention. Had this discussion off-list with another P2er awhile back. Hmm. g I'd assert that both were the most evil monsters in human history and leave ranking them out of it. One must not forget that adorable tyrant, Pol Pot. He belongs in the same league as the two mentioned above by Bill. rebecca
Re: instrumentally speaking
At 01:04 PM 3/9/99 -0600, Kelly wrote: See, now, and I thought the whole *point* of punk was to *not* be able to play well. I am not being facetious here. I thought the general punk stance was "F**k this elitist, bourgeois, closed music system. We're gonna play even though we don't know how, and maybe that'll turn the world of music on its ear, and even if it doesn't we'll have a good time with our mates making a whole lot of noise. Being all tied up in technique and knowing how to play is for wankers. Tear up everything." Well, that WAS part of the ideology of the thing. But one thing I'd say is that it's been a little bit overstated since then--that is, the point wasn't that you didn't have to know how to play your instrument but that you didn't have to know how to play the kinds of comparitively complex shit that, say, ELP played. Punk was three-chords simple, in other words, but it didn't necessarily reject basic competence. The other thing to note, of course, is that Steve Jones and Mick Jones and The Ramones and whoever else really could play their "simple" music pretty damn well, especially after their first albums when all that touring forced them to, uh, practice night after night. --david cantwell
Re: Fw: HOOPS
Hey there, First Joe... Since my return to P2, I keep seeing reference to a "fluff list". Is this for real? Then Bill... Yeah, what's the deal? And how can there be a whole list devoted to Twangfest? Here's the deal. Back in the fall, around Twangburg time, a list was created to handle all of the 'folks going to Tburgh" email and get it off of Postcard2 (where it was an annoyance to some). Hence, the Twangfest list. It has also covered such meaningless fluff topics like uses for Marshmallow Fluff, professional and college sports, everything that has ever happened to Deb, more about Jerry than you ever wanted to know, what Nashville women are goddesses and how to stop them. So basically, its a place to go for nonsense, as well as useful stuff like 'who is meeting where, when' for various get togethers. To get on go to... http://www.nashvegas.com/listserv/ and look for the Fluff logo. Caution - it tends to explode on Friday afternoons for some reason. Later... CK ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: instrumentally speaking
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, David Cantwell wrote: you didn't have to know how to play the kinds of comparitively complex shit that, say, ELP played. Punk was three-chords simple, in other words, but it didn't necessarily reject basic competence. Sorryhave to make an editorial comment here.replace *shit* (comparitively complex shit) with *music*. Thanks...we now restore you to your regular programming. g NP: Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels JC
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Barry Mazor wrote: Terry Smith: nr(reading). Great novel. So, was J. Stalin worse than Hitler? Well, Stalin liked sports; Hitler liked music. It bent these men a little, positively bent them. Barry (These are the wages of synthesis.) Yeah but was Stalin the Tweedy fan and Hitler the Farrar fan, or vice versa? Or did Hitler think that UT were the progenitors of alt-country, while Stalin asserted that it was a decades old form that was not being duly recognized as such by the UT fans, or vice versa? Or... totalitarianism, the original alt-country? g b.s.
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
Nancy Apple writes: How do artists plan to get away with this. Remember what happened to ELO. They sure end up looking like fools if the DAT fails. Unfortunately, when something like this happens once or twice, the public tends to be "innoculated." The Milli Vanilli fiasco wouldn't be such a big deal nowadays if the same thing happened again with, say, the Backstreet Boys or some similar act. Unfortunately, technology makes it easier and easier to cheat. One of my favorite stories along these lines is from an interview with the Boston-area bar band the Fools around 1980 or so. When their first album came out they opened up for part of a tour for Toto, who apparently had a second vocalist backstage who would sing the high notes that their singer could hit in the studio but couldn't do on a regular basis live. The Fools used to piss on the guy's shoes as a joke while he was hitting those high notes, just to try to screw him up. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
Exec: Country needs New York station
If this causes any mirth--when WHN AM was all country here in the 70s, it was the number one country station in the country. (And the distinction between "trendy" and "fashionable" leaves me a lil mirthful myself!) Barry NY Daily News 3/9/97 Record Exec: Country Music Has Gotta Get a Station in N.Y. By DAVID HINCKLEY Daily News Staff Writer If country music wants to reverse the decline in its radio listening audience, says a top country marketing executive, it has to get a station into the heart of New York. This suggestion by Pat Quigley, president of Capitol Records in Nashville, echoes the feeling about New York radio by executives from networks as diverse as Radio Disney, Radio Unica and One-on-One Sports: To make it, you have to be a player in New York. Even if you're not a top-10 station, the visibility is critical and even the 25th-ranked station here has more listeners than the top station in most other markets. Recent data from the trade mag the M Street Journal shows about 765 country stations in the major markets, down from 846 in 1994. The average percentage of the audience listening to country in major markets was 12.7% in 1994. It's 9.8% now. That percentage rises a little when you add in small rural markets, but the trend is still down. People in the country music biz suggest the music has stagnated, that all the hatacts and hot chicks are repeating themselves. No new Garth Brooks has surfaced, and Shania Twain shows up at the Grammys singing hard rock. But Quigley tells the trade mag Radio Ink that reinvigorating country radio would energize the music ó and "the first step is to tell [radio goliaths] CBS or Chancellor to put a country station in New York." The biggest country station here now is independent WYNY (Y-107, 107.1 FM), a quadrocast from four suburban stations ringing the city. WYNY averages 400,000 listeners a week ó the fifth highest country listenership in America, trailing only stations in Chicago, L.A., Dallas and Atlanta. It has major-league deejays like Jim Kerr and Ray Rossi, and it recently raised $700,000 for St. Jude's in Memphis. Still, there's a perception in the all-important advertising community that WYNY isn't a city station ó and that's what Quigley thinks needs to change. Someone must plant the flag here, he says, then promote it ferociously. Country labels must support it with ads and bring artists to town. If New York embraces it, he says, "Country will be fashionable, not trendy." Neither CBS nor Chancellor, by the way, has shown any inclination to consider country in New York. Country stations here have always made money, but they're too sedate for media giants, who boost their profile and stock price by selling flash and glamor.
Re: instrumentally speaking
Calexico.
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Ian Durkacz wrote: I'm thinking of "Paths Of Glory" with Kirk Douglas, Ralph Meeker and the wonderful Adolphe Menjou. That is a fabulous and powerful film. As a related note, the obituary for Kubrick published here in yesterday's 'Guardian' newspaper here (see http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/news/0308/kubrick1.html, and further links) mentions that that film "was banned in France until relatively recently because of its unflattering depiction of the French army". Amazing. I noticed this from the URL you gave (thanks) regarding "A Clockwork Orange" Does wayward human intelligence and instinct frighten Kubrick? That's what one feels in the very powerful Clockwork Orange, a film so disturbing or dangerous that Kubrick has had it banned in the one territory he controls - that of Britain. Do you know if was Kubrick's own doing? Interesting? b.s.
NO twang lots of guitar
For all you P2rs that dont mind mixing all little rockin electric blues with your twang and don't want to buy that **^^^ wrist band come hear "Canada's hottest blues guitar player" David Gogo and his band at Wild About Music on Congress. Satuday afternoon from 2:00 to 4:00. Also playing at this free show will be another fine Canadian band the Rockin Highliners. Or you can try sneakin into the Waterloo Brewing Co. at 8:00 that night. IN EITHER CASE BE PREPARE FOR ELECTRIC BLUES THAT WILL BLOW THE PLAQUE OF YOUR TEETH. Doug
Re: instrumentally speaking (was Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG))
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 9-Mar-99 RE: instrumentally speaking.. by "Jon Weisberger"@fuse.ne The Sadies have a few on their album (I think the surf influence has a lot to do with it... Not to mention the bluegrass/country one g, which I'm reminded of because there was a fairly recent inquiry about the Good Brothers over on bgrass-l. True. I offer surf for a reason, as it is an instrumentally-based style of rock. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many twang bands who incorporate surf other than the Sadies (though I haven't heard Jimmy Wilsey's new band yet). Does anyone on this list play music in the style of Dick Dale? For that matter, can anyone think of a twangy band influenced by Camper Van Beethoven's trippy instrumentals? As for technical proficiency, I think David nailed that one on the head. Johnny Ramone's musical vocabulary, while small, is not limiting he does a lot with a few chords. Few Ramones songs could be called instrumentals, though they aren't exactly wordy. Carl Z. fave Ramones song: Warthog.
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
William F. Silvers writes: Do you know if was Kubrick's own doing? Interesting? My understanding is that the film inspired some rapes and other crimes in Great Britain that seem to have unnerved Kubrick. The film had been on the British market for about a year when it was removed from theatres at Kubrick's request. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
At 09:09 AM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote: When cell phones are outlawed...blah blah blah. [Matt Benz] And SUV's. Praying for another gas crisis. And for George. Screw you, you eco-weinie college boy. American Steel made this world great. If George had been driving a 73 Suburban, he might of not gotten hurt as bad. When I'm out there behind the wheel of my full size '89 4 wheel drive Ford Bronco, or the wife lets me drive her '65 Plymouth Deathmobile, I feel proud to be an American. Especially when I hit one of those little Geo Metro's at about 110mph. Us Americans didn't climb to the top of the world's food chain to eat tofu, be sensitive, or drive tiny ass foriegn clown cars. Nope, V-8's, Guns and dead animal flesh made us what we are today. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
More on Twangfest/Plea for Donations
Sometimes we P2 lifers forget that there are a heck of a lot of you out there who don't really know the origins of Twangfest, the Twang Gang, etc., so it's high time to give a little history here. In early 1997, it was becoming evident that a fair amount of P2-ers were in bands--good bands, too, but combos that many of the far-flung subscribers never had a chance to see because they weren't seasoned touring outfits for the most part. So, Matt Benz, Dave Purcell, Roy Kasten, and Kip Loui, among others, tossed around the idea of having a show in some central location that could serve as a sort of get-together and a happenin' musical thing to boot. People on P2 hopped on this notion enthusiastically, and the band members who suggested the idea in the first place organized the event, with St. Louis being picked as the central spot. It didn't seem too much to ask that the bands who organized the event *play* at the event as well, and that's pretty much the way things stayed through the second Twangfest, too. What became evident to us last year, though, is that due to the growing interest in T'fest, the old framework of choosing bands wasn't going to work. Too many good bands that were submitting deserved a shot at playing what was becoming the antithesis of the weasely showcase events that have proliferated across the country over the last five years or so. Unlike those events, we don't make a nickel from the proceeds, and we actually pay the bands and give them all a motel room for the night. Hey, lots of us in the Twang Gang are *in* bands, and that's how we'd like to be treated. But let's get back to band selection. This year, the Twang Gang set up a separate band selection committee--five members, two of whom are in the Gang, three of whom are not, NONE of whom are in a band. This seemed the best way to keep Twangfest a P2-centric event, but still make the selection as fair to everyone as possible. We just thought you ought to know. We'd like to take this opportunity to remind you again that YOU can be a sponsor of this grass-roots thing, and get some pretty good loot to boot, by being a Friend of Twangfest. For $100, which is less than some of you spend every time you hit a record store, you get a three-day pass to Twangfest 3, a copy of this year's new "Edges from the Postcard 2" CD, and a Twangfest 3 T-shirt. AND, since Twangfest is now a real-deal non-profit organization, you can deduct your donation to us from your taxes to the maximum extent allowed by law. Your donation will help us directly pay for this event, *and* it will help us in our quest to get money from larger sponsors who look for this sort of individual support when they make up their minds on who deserves their cash the most. It's funny that way--donations breed more donations. Contact Marie Arsenault at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info on where to send your cash, checks, and krugerrands. Please be aware that ANY donation will help; we're just unable to offer the bonuses below a $100 donation. It's really pretty exciting to think that what started out as a sorta half-cocked party is turning out to be one hell of a good music event AND a chance for all of us to see each other in person and hoot and holler til dawn. If you're reading this, then you're already hooked on the looniest mailing list on the net. Complete the experience, help us out with a donation if you can, and most importantly, COME TO TWANGFEST June 10-12 in St. Louis. Write us at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and keep checking www.twangfest.com for updates. Muchas smooches, Your Twang Gang Marie Arsenault, Junior Barnard, Matt Benz, Amy Haugesag, Kip Loui, Dave Purcell, John Wendland, and Mark Wyatt P.S. Yes, the Damnations TX are confirmed for Twangfest. Stay tuned for more announcements...
Re: Cuddy of Blue Rodeo
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry "Disco" Curry wrote: NP: Jim Cuddy - All In Time Jerry "Prog-Disco-Synth-Pop" Curry here.hrumph!!! I've had the record for about 3 months and I absolutely love it. It would have easily made my 1998 Top 10 if I had it during that year. As another has mentioned, it IS indeed quite melodic and strongly resembles Cuddy's Blue Rodeo contributions. I also agree with the poster when they mentioned liking Cuddy's B.R. material over Keeler's. IMHO...Cuddy writes the best song and by far, have the more pleasant voice. The record does have some Wilco folks on it as well as other Blue Rodeo mates (Bazil Donovan). Yes, it is on WEA Canada and available via import. Miles of Music does have it however. I would rank this solo effort just under Tremelo and Casino. Simply fabulouscourse this is coming from a jaded source. Blue Rodeo is one of the Top 2-3 acts/musicians that I would do "damn near anything" to see live. A desert island group for me and I know I share that opinion with a few other P2'ers. A Blue Rodeo fan wouldn't want to exclude owning this CD. Jerry not to bring music outside of UT/SV/W into the mix, but how does this stand up in regards to Blue Rodeo? (i think this *has* been discussed before, but oh well) ps: what label is it on? snip I finally managed to track this album down about a month ago (it's Canadien only at this point - on WEA). I think it's great. Melodically very much like Cuddy's stuff with Blue Rodeo, maybe a little sturdier. There are at least a couple of the guys from BR on the record, though not Greg Keelor. (Jeff Tweedy sings a duet on one song.) Maybe because I've found Keelor's songs and guitar playing on the last couple of Blue Rodeo albums annoying, I find myself enjoying this more. /snip Jerry Curry - Spectre Booking Independence, Oregon [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the Top 40, half the songs are secret messages to the teen world to drop out, turn on, and groove with the chemicals and light shows at discotheques. -- Art Linkletter
Re: instrumentally speaking (was Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG))
In a message dated 3/9/99 3:02:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True. I offer surf for a reason, as it is an instrumentally-based style of rock. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many twang bands who incorporate surf other than the Sadies (though I haven't heard Jimmy Wilsey's new band yet). Does anyone on this list play music in the style of Dick Dale? I think only Dick Dale does Dick Dale, but Junior Brown did a pretty mean surf medley on Semi-Crazy. Joe X. Horn Pledge Drive Survivor
DC Black Cat
Do any of the DC-area contingent know if the Black Cat does advanced ticket sales? Specifically, I'm going to see Steve 'n Del at the Birchmere on Thurs. 3/18 and wanted to pop over to see Sleater-Kinney at the Black Cat after the show. What time do shows start there? I'm assuming fairly late...and assuming it'll be hard to get into. I realize that bluegrass and grrrl punk don't necessarily mix, but what can I say, I'm a freak of nature. Reply offlist if you wish. William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
SXSW wristband available
Hey there, I have an extra SXSW wristband. Write me offlist if you want it for face value ($65, I believe) Steve Kirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: instrumentally speaking
One last post on rock/alt.country instrumentals and then I'll shut up. The body of work by several Chicago and Louisville-based rock musicians spawned by punk and post-punk bands such as Squirrel Bait, Bastro and Bitch Magnet includes a lot of acoustic instrumental work. This is a pretty big tent definition of alt.country, but Jim O'Rourke/David Grubbs/Gastr del Sol do a lot with John Fahey's American acoustic guitar stylings. It's at least alt.Americana if not alt.country. The Pullman record we brought up last summer (featuring members of Tortoise and Come) also fits into this style. Carl Z.
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Screw you, you eco-weinie college boy. American Steel made this world great. If George had been driving a 73 Suburban, he might of not gotten hurt as bad. When I'm out there behind the wheel of my full size '89 4 wheel drive Ford Bronco, or the wife lets me drive her '65 Plymouth Deathmobile, I feel proud to be an American. Especially when I hit one of those little Geo Metro's at about 110mph. Us Americans didn't climb to the top of the world's food chain to eat tofu, be sensitive, or drive tiny ass foriegn clown cars. Nope, V-8's, Guns and dead animal flesh made us what we are today. Hey Jeff, have you ever met Ted Nugent? I bet you guys would be a real hoot to observe together on a hunting trip. -paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Stevie wrote: If you're wondering why all this is, it's worth bearing in mind that we had 19 years of an unbelievably repressive Tory government that even managed to outlaw the "promotion" of homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle in education and cultural contexts. "This song promotes homosexuality/ It's in a pretended family relationship/ With the other ones on this record/ And on the radio/ And in the clubs and on the jukebox." - Mekons, "Empire of the Senseless" I believe Tinky Winky, carl w.
mathcountry
Carl Z.: Perhaps in two years, we'll see math-country (alt.country fused with the very Frippian loud indie rock known as math-rock). hoorah! ... actually, Carl, weren't those Terry-irking stop-start (Minutemen-influenced) Uncle Tupelo songs math country, basically? (I'm thinking for instance of most of Farrar's stuff on Still Feel Gone). if I were a good enough musician i'd run out and start a math-country band right now - i'd love to hear, er, Neko Case fronting a band like Don Caballero, which has lots of great moments but really isn't interesting enough to get by without vocals/songs. my other obsession is starting an alt-countryish group with a turntablist. Richard Buckner with the Invisibl Scratch Picklz, anyone? (fluffy today) carl w.
RE: Encyclopedia CD-ROm questions
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jon Weisberger wrote: And, just in case anyone else is as slow as I was in tracking this, the country.com encyclopedia CD-ROM that Jim refers to is the one based on the Carlin book that Don Yates and I (and, I think, a couple of others) jumped on a month or more ago, when news of the CD-ROM first appeared. Boy, you're really on a roll today, aren'cha?g The CD-ROM in question is the one based on Barry McCloud's Definitive Country encyclopedia, not Richard Carlin's The Big Book Of Country Music (neither of which is in the same league as the CMF's new Encyclopedia of Country Music). hoping Jon can somehow keep that CRS in check, don
Re: mathcountry
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 9-Mar-99 mathcountry by [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoorah! ... actually, Carl, weren't those Terry-irking stop-start (Minutemen-influenced) Uncle Tupelo songs math country, basically? Heh. Perhaps, though Still Feel Gone's songs are relatively short and depend on lyrics to a greater extent than say, Panel Donor, Don Caballero or Hurl does. I don't think UT did a whole lot in 5/4 time either (not a bad thing to avoid really). Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 9-Mar-99 mathcountry by [EMAIL PROTECTED] my other obsession is starting an alt-countryish group with a turntablist. Richard Buckner with the Invisibl Scratch Picklz, anyone? Somebody should get Malcolm McLaren to resurrect his Buffalo Gals posse. Maybe he can team up with Kool Keith and/or Greg Garing. round the outside, Carl Z.
Re: Biller and Wakefield and Les Negresses Vertes
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cuts such as "Martian Guts," on which Wakefield trades rapid-fire licks with Telecaster man Dave Biller (no slouch himself) and Robert Williams' "Steel Crazy," which sports a guest vocal by Big Sandy No to be overly pedantic or anything, but Robert Williams *is* Big Sandy.--don
Re: mathcountry
Carl Abraham Zimring wrote: Still Feel Gone's songs are relatively short and depend on lyrics "this trickle-down theory / has left all these pockets empty" was always one of my favourites. And just about every darn word in "Still Be Around"... Man, is he a damn good songwriter. Ooops. Sorry. Thought this was postcard... Stevie
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Matt Benz wrote: Oh shutup! I drive a Ford. SUV's are for..! (sound of Hummer going by) I think Jeff Wall is yanking a few virtual chains... Also, if you have to outlaw SUV's then you have to outlaw Ford vans, too. Know who owned a Ford van? Red Sovine. Course you knew that... -- Geff King * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www2.ari.net/gking/ "Don't let me catch you laughin' when the jukebox cries" - Kinky Friedman, "Sold American"
FW: It's Official -- George Jones Off Respirator!!
-Original Message- From: Bluegrass music discussion. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary Yeomans Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: It's Official -- George Jones Off Respirator!! [I've been employed here at Vanderbilt University Medical Center for about 12 years now, and have worked in the Office of the Vice Chancellor for Health Affairs, which oversees the entire medical center, including the Office of News and Public Affairs, which is responsible for dispensing information to the media and responding to any questions about the condition of patients. I've just visited my friend, Director Bill Hance, and here's the official update on George Jones current condition (as of about 3:00 p.m. today)]: "About half an hour ago, George Jones was taken off the ventilator. He remains in critical condition; his injuries are very serious and life threatening, but his physician, Dr. Virginia Eddy, is encouraged about how well he has done thus far. Jones remains heavily sedated as part of his treatment, but has been able to squeeze his wife Nancy's hand and appears to realize that loved ones are around him. He has had many visitors and Nancy tells him daily of all the cards, letters and calls he's received. (In fact, Vanderbilt has been covered up with mail for Jones). Dr. Eddy said, "He is made of some pretty tough stuff," and feels that he is doing as well as can be expected, given his age and the nature of his injuries, though he is still not out of the woods. Jones has a number of serious injuries, including bruising of the liver, a bruised lung, a punctured lung (which has sealed itself), and internal bleeding. Jones remains in intensive care in the Trauma Unit, where he's been since his arrival by LifeFlight on Saturday afternoon." For those wishing to send cards and get well messages, here's the address: George Jones 118 16th Avenue South, Suite 201 Nashville, TN 37203 U.S.A. In lieu of flowers, the Jones family has requested that donations be made in the name of George Jones to the Vanderbilt Children's Hospital: Vanderbilt Children's Hospital 2424 Garland Avenue Nashville, TN 37212 U.S.A. Hope this information will offer you some encouragement; people here are guardedly optimistic, and there are many, many prayers being offered up on behalf of one of the greatest singers of our time! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Encyclopedia CD-ROm questions
And, just in case anyone else is as slow as I was in tracking this, the country.com encyclopedia CD-ROM that Jim refers to is the one based on the Carlin book that Don Yates and I (and, I think, a couple of others) jumped on a month or more ago, when news of the CD-ROM first appeared. Boy, you're really on a roll today, aren'cha?g The CD-ROM in question is the one based on Barry McCloud's Definitive Country encyclopedia, not Richard Carlin's The Big Book Of Country Music (neither of which is in the same league as the CMF's new Encyclopedia of Country Music). hoping Jon can somehow keep that CRS in check, don Aw, crap. My batting average is headed straight for Garth Brooks'. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: Shania Spam
Moran/Vargo wrote: Has anyone else been mass full-color spammed from "Apple Books" regarding a book written by Shania Twain's "Road Manager"? Yeah. It looked like some kid's coloring book exploded on my computer. TS Thank God! I was beginning to think it was just me that was "blessed" Tom
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, James Gerard Roll wrote: But I suspect that (while no-one will admit it) there is a certain status that A FEW people desire when part of a small cultish phenomenon like P2 that involves members wanting to prove that they are not part of the TREND but rather have a deeper affiliation with (in this case) the music. Thus the UT/Tweedy backlash. I'd estimate way more than a few, Jim. That attitude permeates the alt-country community. I can't even begin to count how many times someone's assured me they've been into this alt-country (or just plain country) stuff long before it became a fad, or read press releases or interviews or record reviews with someone asserting the same. A big part of that's no doubt the usual hipster cooler-than-thou pose (which can be found in just about any musical subgenre you care to name), but I'd like to think that it's also an implicit recognition of the value of tradition in country music. OK, I'm foolin' myself -- so what?g--don
Joe Henry - Fuse (over the wall post)
Hi, I'm not on P2 anymore, but I wanted to toss this rant out to you carnivores. I've been listening and listening to Joe Henry's new one. I don't get it. I'm trying and trying, but I can't. His songs are fine, but musically, though it may be different for Joe, it's hardly adventurous and quite unimaginative. If you're going to do something different, really do something different, right? To me it just sounds like countless other AAA acts who put their music to dance beats but lack in any soul. It took me a while to come around to "Trampoline," but this time, I don't know. So I guess why I'm posting is because he is playing up here this weekend, and I was going to go see him, but now I don't know if I should waste my time. So would anyone be willing to enlighten me, or tell me why I'm listening the wrong way, etc.? I do that sometimes. in all seriousness... no really, I promise, I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time. The learnlink URL no longer works, so I can't really follow along, and I'm having too much fun fluffing anyway g, Ba-flooze-ski
Re: DC Black Cat
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, William T. Cocke wrote: what can I say, I'm a freak of nature. Reply offlist if you ANDhe is one heck of a FREAK, let me tell you. I've seen him. Years of psychotherapy have finally gotten me over the experience. BIG G! NP: Shaver - Victory --- I LOVE this CD, also would have made my Best of 98 had I had ahold of the damn thing. Jerry
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
Yeah but was Stalin the Tweedy fan and Hitler the Farrar fan, or vice versa? Or did Hitler think that UT were the progenitors of alt-country, while Stalin asserted that it was a decades old form that was not being duly recognized as such by the UT fans, or vice versa? Or... Actually, Stalin reportedly enjoyed listening to orchestrated music with "dogs" doing the vocals. He'd force his generals and aides to dance until the early morning hours to this stuff. -- Terry Smith (who's sincerely sorry he threw this utterly non-musical issue out for comment -- is there a purge coming?)
Re: Joe Henry - Fuse Billy Bob was: over the wall post)
Personally, I don't know how to talk on-list to people not on the list especially since it's hard just to keep up with everybody who DOES hang around..so I won't try... One thing you get with Joe Henry's excellent new disc (IMHO), which I haven't seen reported yet, is some fairly hilarious video. It's an enhanced CD (the copy I got is--and apparently they all are)..and besides two CD-ROM playable numbers from the recent Sessions at West 54th show, it's got Billy Bob Thornton in a lengthy interview appearing as Joe Henry, sitting on a sofa, and offering up key commentary like: " My key influences are T-Bone Walker and Jonathan Winters records...I have NEVER exploited my relationship with Madonna to further my career...I don't like movies and believe there shoud be no music in them..." etc. And then you get this new musical recording (with virtually no twang content, as expected, but much to bite into, I say) for free. Hoping to catch him at SXSW, officially or less officially. He's scheduled for Liberty Lunch Thursday night after those revamped Backsliders--and of course, opposite Doug Sahm, John Dee Graham,...sigh He'll no doubt be around at daytime events and appearances too. So it goes. Barry
Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG)
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Don Yates wrote: of that's no doubt the usual hipster cooler-than-thou pose (which can be found in just about any musical subgenre you care to name), but I'd like to think that it's also an implicit recognition of the value of tradition in country music. OK, I'm foolin' myself -- so what?g--don LOL That's the most hopeful and touching thing I have read in a long time Don!! GGG You ARE an old softy deep down. I'll actually buy that explanation . . . peoples' desire to harken back to the origin of THIS movement is kinda like an emotional cowboy hat!! and an old dusty one to boot . . . -jim
Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
At 04:32 PM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: Hey Jeff, have you ever met Ted Nugent? I bet you guys would be a real hoot to observe together on a hunting trip. Although I regularly consume the dead flesh of little critters, I prefer to hunt the little bastards at my local grocery store. Call me a hypocrite, but I am unable to go out into the woods and whack a critter that has done me no harm. I don't mind eating his tasty ass though, I just prefer someone else to whack him. I even go so far as to remove all the barbs from my fishing hooks and practice catch and release. Although I loved Double Live Gonzo, Nugent is way to radical right wing for my personal tastes. I also don't own any guns. My family has a history of clinical depression and addiction to things your better off not being addicted to. As a result, the ownership of firearms is not a safe bet in my household. I'm actually, in real life, a pretty sensitive guy. I have a bunch of teddy bears, I stop and help people broke down on the side of the road, and am constantly working to improve my karma points by trying to be nice and do the right thing. Nope, I couldn't walk through the woods and whack Bambi, unless I was forced to in order to eat. But if you were to threaten me or mine, I could whack you in the forehead with a .45 and not feel a shred of guilt. Why? Because as human, we are capable of knowing between right and wrong. When you intentionally choose wrong and it endangers the people I care about, you have just forfieted your constitutional as well as your human rights. Although I don't currently own firearms, I can get access to one pretty quicky. I'm a damned good shot. The wife is better. She stays pissed at me a lot. Just another reason not to keep guns in the house. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
RE: Elliott Smith Concert Tonight
I though some of you would be interested in knowing that Elliott Smith's concert can be heard tonight at 11 pm central via broadcast.com. The link is: http://www.broadcast.com/music/concerts/elliottsmith/ KM np: Drive By Truckers "Gangstabilly"
RE: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm
Jeff Wall, You RULE Junior Walker NP George Jones "I'm A People" -Original Message- From: Jeff Wall [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 1999 9:18 To: passenger side Subject: Re: SUV's RE: Jones update 8pm At 04:32 PM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: Hey Jeff, have you ever met Ted Nugent? I bet you guys would be a real hoot to observe together on a hunting trip. Although I regularly consume the dead flesh of little critters, I prefer to hunt the little bastards at my local grocery store. Call me a hypocrite, but I am unable to go out into the woods and whack a critter that has done me no harm. I don't mind eating his tasty ass though, I just prefer someone else to whack him. I even go so far as to remove all the barbs from my fishing hooks and practice catch and release. Although I loved Double Live Gonzo, Nugent is way to radical right wing for my personal tastes. I also don't own any guns. My family has a history of clinical depression and addiction to things your better off not being addicted to. As a result, the ownership of firearms is not a safe bet in my household. I'm actually, in real life, a pretty sensitive guy. I have a bunch of teddy bears, I stop and help people broke down on the side of the road, and am constantly working to improve my karma points by trying to be nice and do the right thing. Nope, I couldn't walk through the woods and whack Bambi, unless I was forced to in order to eat. But if you were to threaten me or mine, I could whack you in the forehead with a .45 and not feel a shred of guilt. Why? Because as human, we are capable of knowing between right and wrong. When you intentionally choose wrong and it endangers the people I care about, you have just forfieted your constitutional as well as your human rights. Although I don't currently own firearms, I can get access to one pretty quicky. I'm a damned good shot. The wife is better. She stays pissed at me a lot. Just another reason not to keep guns in the house. Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Roger Ebert on "Clockwork Orange": Kubrick's ``A Clockwork Orange'' (1971) starred Malcolm McDowell as a violent lout in a fearsome world of the near future; its prophetic vision was so disturbing that the movie is banned in Britain to this day. ( http://www.suntimes.com/output/showcase/kub08i.html ) Tom Mohr on "Clockwork Orange": Absolutely astonishing that Kubrick could, in three years, go from the brilliant heights of "2001" to the decadent depths of "A Clockwork Orange." An appalling movie. Its appeal is utterly baffling. -- Tom Mohr First let's get it clear about 'Clockwork Orange'. The film was withdrawn from circulation in this country by Kubrick himself after several UK tabloids launched a moral panic about copy cat attacks shortly after the film came out. It has never been banned by the Board of Film Censors, or any other authority, over here and was, indeed, approved for showing by them. In recent years Kubrick took legal action on a number of occasions to stop public showing of bootleg videos of the film in the UK. Just why he withdrew the film and kept it withdrawn can only be a matter of speculation but my take is that he simply didn't want the hassle of coping with our gutter press. I'm one of the few people here who actually saw it in a cinema. I'd read the book a few years earlier when I was learning Russian (the argot spoken by the 'droogs' is based on Russian, Anthony Burgess - a fellow Lancastrian - was a former teacher of Russian). Visiting my parents in S London late in the summer of 1973 I was strolling past the local Odeon and noticed a billing for the film (it was palying there in some sort of unpublicised preview before the main opening in the West End), so I went in. I had the great fortune to take a seat next to a classic S London skinhead and seeing and hearing his reactions gave me a whole new perspective. If I'm baffled by anything it's Tom's description of the film as 'decadent' and 'appalling'. I think he's confusing depiction with approval. Both the book and the film set out to depict appalling behaviour which they see as the result of social decadence (the book especially so, which is far more moralistic than the film - for what it's worth Burgess hated the film). I have seen the film only once but I remember an astonishing and powerful work of art (albeit a flawed one), which epitomises Kubrick's ability to combine the commercial with the artistic in a way few other directors have ever managed (Hitchcock being the only consistently better). You might disapprove of what something shows or says but that doesn't mean it's bad art. On the other hand I found '2001' quite the least of his work (along with 'Barry Lyndon') as it seems fundamentally incoherent (not usually a fault of Kubrick) and have never been able to understand the hippy mystic awe it is held in in some quarters. I also used to know what the Russians were saying in '2001' as I could speak the language at the time. But I've forgotten. I do recall, however, it wasn't significant. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: PLAYLIST - Monday Breakfast Jam: A Morning Drivetime Show 3/1/99 ...
Dear Doug, Thank you so much for playing Scott Kirby's "Last Flying Boat". I will let his fans know and hopefully you will get some new listeners. Is Otis (blond haired drummer, Jimmy Buffett fan) still at the station? It's been a few years since I talked to him. Meg Patrick Down East Down West Management, Inc. 1-888-876-3339
Re: Twangfest/Fluff list
To subscribe got to www.nashvegas.com/listserv It's very easy to subscribe. Note that on many days traffic is very slow. Then on other days, like today, you might get about 90 messages. And they are talking about sports over there again. Just so you know. marie
Re: instrumentally speaking (was Re: Tweedy quote/alt.country (REAL LONG))
In a message dated 3/9/99 3:22:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't think of many twang bands who incorporate surf other than the Sadies Deke dickerson did a few surfy numbers at the Cheapo instore on saturday. Good stuff. Slim
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .Get this ya'll. A freind of mine who is setting up a tour for me in Canada this summer just got thru working production at the big rodeo in Houston, where many country acts played, including Shania. He said that most the show was taped (including vocals). Well that explains the reaction Nina had when she had that nasty backslide and saw Twain at the big state U basketball arena. How do artists plan to get away with this.. Spectacle! A little jiggle helps too. Oh well... Nancy flat is better than fraud Although what I heard about the show was it was both flat and fraudulent.
[Fwd: ]
3/5/99 Hello, My name is Jenny Toomey and I m writing to you on the suggestion of Vicky Wheeler of Autotonic. Now, for the reason...Im a musician (Tsunami/Grenadine/Liquorice) and ex record label owner (Simple Machines). who has recently been roped into working with a coalition that is lobbying the FCC and now the government to open up the bandwidth to new low power licensees. Have you been following this Low Power Radio stuff with FCC Commissioner Kennard? Several weeks ago the FCC voted 4 to 1 to look into the possibility of opening up the FM dial to thousands of new low-power licenses. We're talking about licenses for between $2,500 and 100,000 thousand based on range... as compared to the 11 13 million dollar price tags on two stations that sold in DC in the last year. Anyway... my role in this coalition is to try to raise grassroots support for this cause so that the Broadcast lobby (the second most powerful lobby in Washington) cannot squash it when it gets to congress. Mostly this means that I end up speaking to the entrepreneurial/artist issues. I.E.. "It's easier to sell records if you can get on the radio" and "It's impossible to get on the radio as an independent artist." What I'm doing now, besides giving interview sound bites... is trying to find articulate artists and journalists who can speak to/write about the importance of college radio. So far artists such as Lenny Kaye, Steve Albini, Gerard Cosloy, Ian MacKaye I have been answering questions and giving quotes to articles about the importance of community based radio and low power radio. To date there will be stories in Boston, New York, Norleans, Tulsa, San Diego, Nashville, Colorado Athens...with (hopefully) more to come Chicago, Seattle DC etc. These articles focus on effects specific to their communities and thus cover a wide range of subjects from pirate radio, to community based radio to the ever narrowing radio diversity due to increasing radio ownership consolidation. We've had a lot of luck getting the Daily papers and the arts-weeklies to do local stories on community radio issues but a huge base of our support should be music fans so that is our focus now. And it's particularly important that we raise awareness quickly as... The FCC currently is in a period of comment on the microradio proposals, and is soliciting responses by April 12. The FCC will reply by May 12, and will have three options: it may adopt a rule or rules (i.e., grant licenses), issue a notice of further proposed rulemaking, or deny issuing any new licenses. if the telecommunications committee votes down the FCC's proposal, we will have lost our first chance in 20 years to access the possibility of thousands of new radio stations So...Are you interested in writing something about Low Power FM? Feel free to e-mail if you like... I can answer further questions, forward information or get you in touch with artists for quotes. Either way, Here is some back up to let you know more about what is happening. Thanks for your time, Jenny I'm including several articles that sum up the basic info. 1) One is Jon Pareles piece from the NYTimes 2) The next ran in CMJ (College Music Journal)and was written by Wendy Mitchell 3) The third is a piece from the Boston Phoenix. 4) The AP articles about Congressman Tauzin are next. He is the first congressman to actively protest the FCC's work. 5)Finally there is an article out today in the Gambit (the Norleans arts weekly which addresses the Tauzin angle) 6) Is a piece that just ran in the Minneapolis City Pages That's it for now... If you want more information about the Low Power Radio Coallition you can check out our website at Lowpowerradio.org 1)CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK Fracturing the Formula: A Hope for the Offbeat on Small FM By JON PARELES commercial radio stations weren't happy when the Federal Communications Commission announced recently that it might allow low-power radio stations -- up to 1,000 watts, reaching an area up to 18 miles in diameter -- to share the FM band. The final decision will be made this summer or fall, and if the proposed rules are approved, the corporate radio chains of generic Lite FM's and Q92's and Hit 105's will share the dial with very local stations dispensing anything from avant-rock to city council meetings. The broadcasters warn that more stations sharing the band could lead to more interference. But what they would interfere with most is the numbing predictability of professional radio. The great divide comes at 92 on the FM dial, with noncommercial public and college radio stations below 92 and the big-time commercial outlets above. Commercial radio has never seemed more organized and less invigorating. Down below 92, there are still strange sounds and surprises, mostly thanks to college students who see radio as a calling rather than a routine. But drive across the United States punching the "seek" button on the car radio, and you'll hear the same hits,
SXSW wristbands
Hello, Austinites! I am coming down for SXSW and I have my badge and a hotel room so I'm hooked up. However, I just got a call from someone I work with who has decided to travel down with a band but needs a wristband. How much are they this year? Are they still available? Does anyone want to be the middleman in this deal? Last year, 3 of us went down and bought wristbands the first day of S Tony Renner music director KDHX St. Louis Community Radio 3504 Magnolia Avenue St. Louis, MO 63118 314 664-3955 314 664-1020 fax
Re: unsubscribe
At 09:02 AM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: Call me a sadist -- shudup Curry -- but I get a little thrill out of these. Just imagine the panic that must set in when someone subs because they heard about this list and in a day they get slammed with 200 messages, some of which might actually be on topic. this list, my friends, is not for the faint of heart. Now, back to your arguing. jeff
FREE OUR RADIOS
Have you been following this Low Power Radio stuff with FCC Commissioner Kennard? Several weeks ago the FCC voted 4 to 1 to look into the possibility of opening up the FM dial to thousands of new low-power licenses. We're talking about licenses for between $2,500 and 100,000 thousand basedon range... as compared to the 11 13 million dollar price tags on two stations that sold in DC in the last year. The FCC currently is in a period of comment on the microradio proposals, and is soliciting responses by April 12. The FCC will reply by May 12, and will have three options: it may adopt a rule or rules (i.e., grant licenses), issue a notice of further proposed rulemaking, or deny issuing any new licenses. if the telecommunications committee votes down the FCC's proposal, we willhave lost our first chance in 20 years to access the possibility of thousands of new radio stations If you want more information about the Low Power Radio Coallition you can check out our website at Lowpowerradio.org To read and comment on the FCC's proposal before a final decision is made, go to www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm on the Web. The agency will be taking comments until April 12. Beat Radio will present "Beatification," an 18-and-over dance night featuring eight DJs, on Wednesday, March 3 at First Avenue; (612) 338-8388.
Wilco Review: Power Pop perspective
http://www.twomp.com/amplifier/summer_t.htm I haven't gotten it yet so I have no opinions. About anything. keep dancing, -ldk
SXSW Wristbands
Hello, Austinites! I have some friends asking about the current availability of SXSW wristbands. Are they still on sale? How much? Does anyone want to be the middleman on a wristband purchase? I have my registration, etc., already so I'm set. Last year we had no trouble in picking up wristbands at Waterloo (and on the 2nd on 3rd days we saw plenty of flyers from people trying to get rid of wristbands). Anyway, any help would be most appreciated! Thanks. Tony Renner music director KDHX St. Louis Community Radio 3504 Magnolia Avenue St. Louis, MO 63118 314 664-3955 314 664-1020 fax
Re: DC Black Cat
In a message dated 3/9/99 4:22:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of the DC-area contingent know if the Black Cat does advanced ticket sales? Specifically, I'm going to see Steve 'n Del at the Birchmere on Thurs. 3/18 and wanted to pop over to see Sleater-Kinney at the Black Cat after the show. What time do shows start there? I'm assuming fairly late...and assuming it'll be hard to get into. Generally shows start at 9, and it's actually a decent size place for a DC club, so you may not have any trouble getting in, esp. since it's on a weeknight. My experience has been that they'll sell tickets provided they have released the show info publicly, so you should have no problem getting a ticket ahead of time. The number of the Black Cat is 202-667-7960 or you can get tickets thru the always evil Ticketmaster. Sleater-Kinney should be a worthwhile show -- I've seen them a couple times and they've always been good. Shannon
Moths in Albany cancelled
Due to unforseen circumstances, Moths will not be able to play at Valentine's on Thursday. Thank you to all the people who helped with publicity. In happier news, Moths congratulate Mothweb designer Jenny Kalina and her husband Patrick O' Sullivan in the birth of their son David, 6 lbs, 10oz. yesterday. A new Moths fan born every minute. http://www.moths.com
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
Joe: Asinine as it may be (and I hate it with great passion), that has been going on for many years now with touring acts. Screwing up would be nearly impossible now with backup systems in place. You'd be suprised and horrified to learn how many arena acts are doing this. Are a majority of arena acts, say, doing this? Just wondering. Two observations: first, I noticed a picture of Dale Watson grinnin' it up with a fan in this week's Country Music Weekly, which I looked at whilst waiting in the checkout line at the grocery Didn't realize Dale was on the radar of that august publication g. Second, Joe, please let us know, when you can, who else will be playing at that Saturday night Donald Lindley benefit at the Texas Union Ballroom. You mentioned Jimmy Dale and Kimmie. I do believe I'll be there. Thanks, --junior
Re: mathcountry
oh, now. . .the whole point is the heart, you know. Linda
Re: Shania Spam / and gossip
In a message dated 3/9/99 9:47:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You'd be suprised and horrified to learn how many arena acts are doing this. AHA!!! Now we know why Kimmie always sounds so good at the Cactus Cafe. G Slim
Re: Biller and Wakefield and Les Negresses Vertes
Don wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cuts such as "Martian Guts," on which Wakefield trades rapid-fire licks with Telecaster man Dave Biller (no slouch himself) and Robert Williams' "Steel Crazy," which sports a guest vocal by Big Sandy No to be overly pedantic or anything, but Robert Williams *is* Big Sandy.--don Now, don't make it look as though Evan is that dumb--it came from E-Pulse. Dina
