[Talk-GB] Fwd: [OSM Fork] Dealing with OSM Remappers and odbl Blackmailers in Europe
Hi, as Mike said, Any edits that are on the chopping block to be deleted, if you create a list of those contributors, then over on the fosm.org side, those edits can be saved. cheers, Sam -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:59:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [OSM Fork] Dealing with OSM Remappers and odbl Blackmailers in Europe To: osm-f...@googlegroups.com Hi there, if you provide us with a list of people to block we will block them from the sync. your data is not lost, we can reimport the older versions as well. mike On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Georg Schmitt georgschmit...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi there, I'm an osm member from Germany, who did not yet agree to those contributor terms and that new license. I'm thinking more and more about decling and leaving the project, because they keep spamming me with messages threatening to delete the data which I contributed, in case that I do not agree. I feel like being blackmailed. It's like Give your work away to some people, I dont know, or we will destroy your work! They do not only threaten to do this, but they are already stealing or destroying my work and that from other mappers. Sometimes they just copypaste streets and upload them as their work and sometimes they just delete streets or the names, max speed, sources, and other properties. It makes me sad when I see how my hard work is thrown away. I thought that my work would be safe at fosm when I heard about it. But I have looked at your data and I was shocked. My work and that of others has been stolen or destroyed in fosm too. I do not want to have to do the whole work again because some self declared cleaners throw away everything that I have mapped. I have read that you want to stop osm members deleting data in Australia, but what do you want to do about the rest of the world? - Georg -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: [OSM Fork] Dealing with OSM Remappers and odbl Blackmailers in Europe
cool, Just forwarding your idea to the osm-fork mailing list. re: a list of changesets that are to be removed, as there is a place for all of the removed data to be added to. cheers, Sam On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 01/08/2012 06:22 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Any edits that are on the chopping block to be deleted, if you create a list of those contributors, then over on the fosm.org side, those edits can be saved. It might make sense to do this on a per-changeset rather than per-user basis. I, for example, have started to ODbL-clean my area, but that doesn't mean everything I do is of no value to a CC-BY-SA fork. Maybe if everyone who does ODbL cleanup uses a special keyword or tag in their changeset descriptions, then FOSM could copy over only the stuff not so tagged. Personally I'm not involved with FOSM and I don't plan to be, but I see absolutely no reason to harm their project out of spite, and if all it takes to help them make better use of my edits is placing or not placing a specific changeset tag, I would gladly do that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-transit] comprehensive study on OSM in transit
Cool, maybe there should be a GTFS island on CommonMap group of Islands so everyone can see the standards and link up the editers/renders to it. cheers, Sam On 7/12/11, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Thought you all might find this research interesting: http://www.nctr.usf.edu/2011/05/enabling-cost-effective-multimodal-trip-planners-through-open-transit-data-2/ -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [talk-au] What A Day
Hi, That would be Steve Coast as the Troll of the day. CommonMap is the ccBY alternative (were also on the osm-fork mailing list) and doing just fine, thanks :) Now back to work on SchemaTroll 2.011 cheers, Sam On 7/8/11, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote: I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction. Are you referring to me or Steve? I assume it's one of us given our message volume over the past couple of days. Name names! Quit being so passive-aggressive, poor communication like that is what causes these kinds of problems in the first place. Despite my disagreements with Steve, I don't think either of us is trolling, so either way you're wrong. It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing. Here's my bit, and I encourage others to discuss their intentions: My contributions have never been all that significant, so it doesn't really matter, but I'm not looking forward to seeing my past efforts disappear and I'm undecided if I'm going to continue in the future. FOSM doesn't yet seem to be a valid alternative either. I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at the moment I am just getting a 500 Internal Server Error message. Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but I've never seen a map, just a blank grey box where a map probably goes. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM Fork] Re: Multiple license declaration
Hi, On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Jim Brown j...@cloudmade.com wrote: My suspicion is that a system where each user can choose a different licence (or set of licences) for their contribution would either fall apart (as some entities would need to be rolled back to the last version compatible with the current use case and other items would co-exist under different licences as different entities in the db). I mostly agree with this, but I think it could possibly work with forward compatible licenses (e.g. PD - CC-BY - CC-BY-SA). Agreed, Tim, i think that the licence choices should certainly be listed in the correct order http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/ PD - is the most open, Public Domain Declarationhttp://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=pd [image: No Limits] followed by Creative Commons Zero License (CC0 1.0 Universal)http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=cc0 [image: Creative Commons] http://creativecommons.org/[image: Preferred][image: No Limits] followed by Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0)http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=ccby [image: Creative Commons] http://creativecommons.org/[image: Attribution] followed by Open Data Commons Attribution License v1.0http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=odc-by [image: Attribution] followed by Dummy Licensehttp://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=dummy followed by Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic (CC BY-SA 2.0)http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=ccbysa [image: Creative Commons] http://creativecommons.org/[image: Attribution][image: Sharealike] followed by Open Database License (ODbL) v1.0/Database Contents License (DbCL) v1.0http://timsc.dev.openstreetmap.org/extralicenses/details.php?declare=odc-odbl [image: Attribution][image: Sharealike] Or maybe that's not the correct order... but close :) Although in some cases it might be difficult to differentiate... at least it becomes known to the 'community' exactly what the intentions are for each user. Just as the ODBL.de map yes/no is created, a map showing which users prefer which licence can be created. A cool colour-coded map. :) Obviously, not a binding agreement (sadly) and almost a lost-cause for OSM) but for the other maps we would like to know this information. And everyone would like to see, just how many want of each licence. Then we can make arrangements for those left out. In other words, knowing if you sitting in a city of odbl / share-alike / ccBY or PD people... then you have a clear choice to make. If you are a minority, then there are clear options for you already. (CommonMap.org is alive and kicking BTW). ... then locally mapping meetings can be had to help sort out the data into it's various piles. Cheers, Sam In fact, it's kind of already working that way (TIGER is PD, some other imports are CC-BY, OSM is CC-BY-SA). There just aren't very good tags for it. For incompatible licenses though, I think the better solution is to have separate databases. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?
Hi, 'linear network water flow' should suffice. ... it's been recommended to tag it as 'directional=yes' where it's just a line in the direction of the water. .. if it's unknown 'directional=unknown'. You could put 'oneway=yes' but don't let the talk-ca list know about it as some people will get all excited about it. ... it'll just add a nice arrow across the river, and make it look good. cheers, sam On 4/9/11, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: The historical map I'm getting the information from calls them ... Reach. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_%28geography%29 Most generally, a reach is any length of a stream between any two points. I can't think of a better term myself, so unless there are any other suggestions I'll use reach for the time being. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:22:49 +1000 Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to map some named reaches (straight portion of a stream or river, as from one turn to another;) part of a major river. The river (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.50134lon=150.8778zoom=15layers=M ) currently has both a riverbank area drawn, and a way down the middle of the river. To make things even more complicated, the way running down the middle of the river has both waterway tags and administrative boundary tags. I'm thinking the ideal way to map this (reaches + river + admin boundary) would be split the way into segments for each reach, tag each segment as waterway=reach, name=Foo Reach, then collect up the river segments into a relation which contains waterway=river, name=Bar River, and just leave the riverbank area as is. Not sure what to do with the admin boundary tags though. I'm not sure what's best though. Any thoughts? Thanks. I'd be looking at another word for reach. I'm not making any suggestions, but it isn't a simple English term, and using difficult terms makes the cross-language stuff hard. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Purposly delaying the inevetable... so i'll no longer be editing ... so all my edits should be considered 'spam' so then others can removed it. or I can accept the agreement and go and start removing all of my edits since i started. all edits that i have touched at any stage of edits should be removed. Would this be easier? cheers, Sam On 3/26/11, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 26/03/11 04:03, Samuel Dyck wrote: Let me clarify, will the so called tainted data still be up for the near future, or will I be spending my week preforming hectic Canvec imports to save street names I gathered with a pen and paper? It doesn't look good for me http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=12lat=49.88177lon=-97.17517layers=B0. Please ignore Sam - there is no data removal planned for next week. I think he has confused the stages of the license change process - the next stage is to ask people to accept or decline the license before they can edit. It is not the point at which the license will change and problem data may have to be removed. It is not even the point at which people who decline will not be able to edit any more. More details about the implementation plan can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan As I understand things it is Phase 3 which we are close to entering, not Phase 5. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
I guess the OpenStreetMap Foundation's Map (odbl only) has not yet been started. Since the date of step 5 is 'to be determined'. So that's a good reason why i'm actively working on the alternative(s) :-) ... To get back on topic, I'll get back to this list once i have the rules.txt/.pl script and shp/.osm files available of the MLI park boundary data, since many would like to see this data on the various map APIs. cheers, Sam p.s. i'll probably be done it before step 5 roles around :-) On 3/26/11, Samuel Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: I see, my bad. I'm just a little frustrated about the lack of communication. I should say that I have already accepted the new terms (sorry Sam). On 11-03-26 11:48 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 26/03/11 16:42, Samuel Dyck wrote: *Decline*. You do not agree to the new OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms and, specifically, you refuse to re-license your existing contributions for use under the ODbL. (TODO: add more on what this means). Here. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F I think that's just out of date, like so much in the wiki. New users signing up are sent to a different wiki page when they decline: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined Stage 3 is is very late, and no reason is given as to why. I believe the main reason is because of the ongoing attempt to improve the contributor terms to deal with various issues which people raised with them. Unfortunately reworking them takes time because of the need to keep passing each draft over to the lawyers for review. As for the update, why is it not monitored? I don't know - maybe the board has established a Community Monitoring Group yet? Maybe you should suggest it to them? You seem to have me confused with somebody in authority ;-) Tom -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Lol, that page is no longer valid. ... nor is accepting terms which keep in changing. ... and the Board has the power to unplug osm at any moment ... as well as ban list-serv users ... on any mailing list. :) Creating a new map, and a new wiki, where the Foundation controled all large edits would make for a much better map :). but I can take a hint. :-/ It would be more respectable if you (Richard Weait) were to 1st privatly, then directly publically, ask me to remove myself from this mailing list. cheers, sam On 3/26/11, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear Sam, Well, Sam (Vekemans) you are a man of your word. You mean what you say. Don't you? On 25 August 2010, you said, All my contributions to OpenStreetMap are released into the public domain... I grant anyone the right to use my contributions for any purpose [1] You mean that don't you? You said it. Surely, then you won't hesitate to accept the new CT and ODbL. Best regards, Richard [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User:Acrosscanadatrailsoldid=522835#License_Issue -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Hi, The National Parks data will be removed from the osm api next friday, as it will be considered 'tainted data' since the person who uploaded the data doesn't agree to the new contributor terms. This helps, as it makes it easier to add in the Manitoba parks data. Since knowone volunteered, the conversion script for the MLI data will be availbale on github :) and the shape files on koordinates.com Soon(TM) cheers, sam On 3/25/11, Samuel Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone The Canvec data for MB provincial park boundaries is horribly inaccurate and this bothers me greatly. The government of Manitoba offers good boundary data and a bunch of other cool stuff though the Manitoba Lands Initiative, which I believe we can use, but I've never converted Shapefiles to an API 0.6 compatible osm file (or at all really). How would I best do this? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
That is upto the OpenStreetMap Foundation to decide on what todo, as they will effectivelly 'own' all the rights to the data, including all tainted data. We (as a community) do not have a say in this matter, unfortunatly. cc'd the lists, it's up to them to reply back. cheers, sam On 3/25/11, Samuel Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sam, that saves me a lot of work. Is all the tainted data being removed Friday, or just yours? Sam On 11-03-25 10:29 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, The National Parks data will be removed from the osm api next friday, as it will be considered 'tainted data' since the person who uploaded the data doesn't agree to the new contributor terms. This helps, as it makes it easier to add in the Manitoba parks data. Since knowone volunteered, the conversion script for the MLI data will be availbale on github :) and the shape files on koordinates.com Soon(TM) cheers, sam On 3/25/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone The Canvec data for MB provincial park boundaries is horribly inaccurate and this bothers me greatly. The government of Manitoba offers good boundary data and a bunch of other cool stuff though the Manitoba Lands Initiative, which I believe we can use, but I've never converted Shapefiles to an API 0.6 compatible osm file (or at all really). How would I best do this? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Woods along Canvec Borders
Hi Daniel Cool thanks, this also helps This could also explain for some of 'holes' that were seeing on CommonMap http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=49.7172lon=-121.122zoom=12layers=BFTF http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=49.7172lon=-121.122zoom=12layers=BFTFas it could be the actual data it's self, taken from a different year over year along nts tiles This data does origionate from GeoBase http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/landcover/csc2000v/description.html So for the new version of CanVec, will the map features it be directly derrived from this LandCover data? If so, we (Primarly just Brendan) has done the osm-tag matching https://github.com/morb-au/CommonMap-importers---experimental/blob/master/schema/ca.lc/ca.lc.schema.pl If needed, I can convert this into a 'proper' spreadsheet showing each of the osm-tags. I'm currently going through all of these tags again, and matching it up with the existing canvec features, (as well as Natural Earth, GeoBase NHN and GeoBase NRN) for the Formal 'CommonMap Feature catelogue' Let me know if their is interest in this, and i can speed up the process :-) Cheers, Sam On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Bégin, Daniel daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca wrote: Bonjour Adam, You have just learn what is an edgematch problem! This problem of mismatched lines/polygons at the edge of NTS mapsheets is usually caused by a difference in imagery/photography acquisition dates. Each year, we were contracting out imagery/photography acquisition over areas convering many NTS mapsheets. The problem arise at the edge of two areas when many years passed between each contract. Things are changing over time out there !-) Daniel -Original Message- From: Adam Dunn [mailto:dunna...@gmail.com] Sent: March 18, 2011 14:19 To: Bégin, Daniel Subject: Woods along Canvec Borders When importing Canvec data within a single NTS tile (092H05.x.x), the border between sub-tiles lines up and matches very well. It's a simple task to merge nodes along the border and join ways/areas if necessary. Doing a border between NTS tiles (092Hx) doesn't tend to work out as well. Sometimes it seems to be okay, but sometimes it looks like there's a serious mismatch. In attached screenshot, you can see how natural=wood appears to mismatch from 092H05.3.3 (left of screen) to 092H06.0.0 (right). I don't think it's a bug in how JOSM drawing fills polygons either. Both of those tiles are Canvec 7, downloaded within the past month. Ideas? Adam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Anybody want to join me for a one to 1.5 hour webinar?
Yup, your also part of the OpenStreetMap Community :-) With thanks to Natural Resources Canada, and Land Information Ontario... All trails which are in these 2 databases will make their way into OpenStreetMap Database. ... they do not get 'dropped in' or 'injected into the map' (Like CommonMap Does) .. but rather, it gets used as a tool to be slowely placed into the database, manually. ... and exact source attribution and tags like 'reference ID number' do not get added, because other sources of trail collecting are used. These sources have a higher 'importance value' than the 2 governments data. Me, along with a whole bunch of others, are waiting for OpenStreetMap licence to officially change over. Richard, would it be appropriate to direct 'outsiders' like me, over to CommonMap's 'community'? That way, discussions will remain on topic. Cheers, Sam On 2/24/11, Ontario Trails ontra...@gmail.com wrote: I only threw out some ideas, I think a dialougue is important, I see huge amount of data going by and we should also talk about OSM and how you guys are doing. Thanks On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Patrick, I'm not really sure if OpenStreetMap is actually suited to fit your needs as far as creating a master plan. I don't think that it's designed for it. There are other options, available for collaboration, just not OpenStreetMap. I could find time later next week, as my independent National Trails Inventory Review should be a bit more complete by then. Regards, Sam On 2/23/11, Ontario Trails ontra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - I'm interested in holding a webinar with your folks. need 1 to 1.5 hours of your time. Understanding trail liability Contents of a great trail masterplan Getting various stakeholders together Benefits of a Regional Trail Committee Putting the parts together, funding, governance and government How soon can we talk with these foks - Open Thurs Fri and Monday. Thanks -- Patrick Connor CAE E.D. Ontario Trails Council, Director National Trails Coalition V.P. Canadian Trails Federation 877-668-7245 www.ontariotrails.on.ca www.ontariotrailsmaps.com Join us @Trailhead-Ontario http://trailheadontario.com http://trailheadontario.comConfidentiality Notice: This email is for intended recipients only, do not redistribute without permission of sender. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual or entity named in the e-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance upon the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please reply to the sender -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails -- Patrick Connor CAE E.D. Ontario Trails Council, Director National Trails Coalition V.P. Canadian Trails Federation 877-668-7245 www.ontariotrails.on.ca www.ontariotrailsmaps.com Join us @Trailhead-Ontario http://trailheadontario.com http://trailheadontario.comConfidentiality Notice: This email is for intended recipients only, do not redistribute without permission of sender. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual or entity named in the e-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance upon the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please reply to the sender -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Anybody want to join me for a one to 1.5 hour webinar?
Cool... I'll post a blog with Screenviews, and show you exactly how you can use the trails data from Land Information Ontario, and manually add it into the map, and will include the steps on how to contact local area mappers, so they can go out with their gps and help fill in the local data. ... I'll zoom in on Kingstom area. I think other have already manually merged in the canvec data of the kingston area. Is their another area (perhaps perry sound, or in algonquine park?) that you personally know well? I already did a video, so i think it's time to update it :) Next week i'll be in Mississauga with family for a week, and a fast internet connection :) ... so i can make time away from family for it :) ... which is not a bad thing :) cheers, sam On 2/24/11, Ontario Trails ontra...@gmail.com wrote: See this is why I wish to webinar with your Commanders I don't understand what you need, how I can help or how I can be a positive agent of change. Directions please - (give me a time to talk on the phone with you) Thanks On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: Yup, your also part of the OpenStreetMap Community :-) With thanks to Natural Resources Canada, and Land Information Ontario... All trails which are in these 2 databases will make their way into OpenStreetMap Database. ... they do not get 'dropped in' or 'injected into the map' (Like CommonMap Does) .. but rather, it gets used as a tool to be slowely placed into the database, manually. ... and exact source attribution and tags like 'reference ID number' do not get added, because other sources of trail collecting are used. These sources have a higher 'importance value' than the 2 governments data. Me, along with a whole bunch of others, are waiting for OpenStreetMap licence to officially change over. Richard, would it be appropriate to direct 'outsiders' like me, over to CommonMap's 'community'? That way, discussions will remain on topic. Cheers, Sam On 2/24/11, Ontario Trails ontra...@gmail.com wrote: I only threw out some ideas, I think a dialougue is important, I see huge amount of data going by and we should also talk about OSM and how you guys are doing. Thanks On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Patrick, I'm not really sure if OpenStreetMap is actually suited to fit your needs as far as creating a master plan. I don't think that it's designed for it. There are other options, available for collaboration, just not OpenStreetMap. I could find time later next week, as my independent National Trails Inventory Review should be a bit more complete by then. Regards, Sam On 2/23/11, Ontario Trails ontra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - I'm interested in holding a webinar with your folks. need 1 to 1.5 hours of your time. Understanding trail liability Contents of a great trail masterplan Getting various stakeholders together Benefits of a Regional Trail Committee Putting the parts together, funding, governance and government How soon can we talk with these foks - Open Thurs Fri and Monday. Thanks -- Patrick Connor CAE E.D. Ontario Trails Council, Director National Trails Coalition V.P. Canadian Trails Federation 877-668-7245 www.ontariotrails.on.ca www.ontariotrailsmaps.com Join us @Trailhead-Ontario http://trailheadontario.com http://trailheadontario.comConfidentiality Notice: This email is for intended recipients only, do not redistribute without permission of sender. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual or entity named in the e-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance upon the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please reply to the sender -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails -- Patrick Connor CAE E.D. Ontario Trails Council, Director National Trails Coalition V.P. Canadian Trails Federation 877-668-7245 www.ontariotrails.on.ca www.ontariotrailsmaps.com Join us @Trailhead-Ontario http://trailheadontario.com http://trailheadontario.comConfidentiality Notice: This email is for intended recipients only, do not redistribute without permission of sender. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual or entity named in the e-mail address. If you
Re: [Talk-ca] Anybody want to join me for a one to 1.5 hour webinar?
Hi Patrick, I'm not really sure if OpenStreetMap is actually suited to fit your needs as far as creating a master plan. I don't think that it's designed for it. There are other options, available for collaboration, just not OpenStreetMap. I could find time later next week, as my independent National Trails Inventory Review should be a bit more complete by then. Regards, Sam On 2/23/11, Ontario Trails ontra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - I'm interested in holding a webinar with your folks. need 1 to 1.5 hours of your time. Understanding trail liability Contents of a great trail masterplan Getting various stakeholders together Benefits of a Regional Trail Committee Putting the parts together, funding, governance and government How soon can we talk with these foks - Open Thurs Fri and Monday. Thanks -- Patrick Connor CAE E.D. Ontario Trails Council, Director National Trails Coalition V.P. Canadian Trails Federation 877-668-7245 www.ontariotrails.on.ca www.ontariotrailsmaps.com Join us @Trailhead-Ontario http://trailheadontario.com http://trailheadontario.comConfidentiality Notice: This email is for intended recipients only, do not redistribute without permission of sender. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual or entity named in the e-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance upon the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please reply to the sender -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Proposal: Cleanup of NHN ways in BC
...lol But it makes the map look pritty :-) ... and on normal maps you do see this.. I could put a request in to wipe all my edits ... sice i was the one who added it in. Besides the 'routing restrictings and anti-canoests... is their another reason people don't like an arrow on rivers? arrow=yes? cheers, sam On 2/21/11, Kevin Michael Smith smit...@draconic.ca wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 23:23 -0800, Paul Norman wrote: Existing tagging: Currently there are two types of tagging for waterways that were imported. The first of these is that for smaller waterways accuracy:meters=10 attribution=Natural Resources Canada oneway=yes source=GeobaseNHN_Import_2009 waterway=stream waterway:type=observed It seems to me that oneway is not appropriate. It indicates a legal restriction on traffic and AFAIK there is no Canada wide restriction that all traffic on all waterways must be in the direction of the flow, which this tagging would imply. -- Kevin Michael Smith smit...@draconic.ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Proposal: Cleanup of NHN ways in BC
Great! Were getting somewhere.. Now lets discuss the most appropriate tag that can be used to indicate the rendering of a flow line arrow. How's flowline=arrow? Is their a better tag? Thanks, Sam On 2/22/11, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Besides the 'routing restrictings and anti-canoests... is their another reason people don't like an arrow on rivers? Dear Sam, Let me be clear about this. I am not now, nor have I ever been anti-canoeist. Some of my friends have been canoiests. I have been a canoeist myself, in my younger days. And sometimes, I even canoed upstream. Your arrows as you call them, are infringing on the freedom of canoeists to paddle upstream. ;-) Seriously though. If you like arrows on your flow lines, then render them that way yourself, or submit a patch to render flow line arrows for everybody. Ways have direction and no additional tag is required to handle this. Just a rendering rule. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Proposal: Cleanup of NHN ways in BC
Cool, if i knew how to edit a stylesheet i would :) So t hat's fine. So perhaps then it can be all changed with a bot? ... or is it better to simply wipe my edits? The rivers (without oneway=yes tag) is available in another api, so it's no big deal. cheers, Sam On 2/22/11, Kevin Michael Smith smit...@draconic.ca wrote: On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 06:34 -0800, Sam Vekemans wrote: Great! Were getting somewhere.. Now lets discuss the most appropriate tag that can be used to indicate the rendering of a flow line arrow. It's not about tagging the rivers to say 'there should be an arrow here', it's about putting 'Rivers have arrows' in the style sheet for the renderer. 'Having arrows' isn't a property of the river, it's a property of how we may or may not want to display it. -- Kevin Michael Smith smit...@draconic.ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] NTS Canada- OSM Import Progress Chart was edited recently
Hi all, I get a regular notification of each change on the spreadsheet. I'm just monitoring it to see that no super big changes happen, that make others loose their place :) At some point, users will get an error of 'too many cells', please let me know if that is encountered, then I can fix it :) Great to see lots of people are updating the chart ... I know it's a slow and steady import process, so the idea is to make sure that the more active users all know who is working where :) ... Let me know if their are any issues with the chart, and i can see what i can do. Although i'm not actualy editing with this API, i'm still active with all the other projects :) cheers, sam On 2/13/11, Google Docs not...@google.com wrote: See the changes in your Google Document NTS Canada- OSM Import Progress Chart: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ver?key=tDERPhtQfnbbGpA0tx32C3Qt=1297614169224000pt=1297614140382000diffWidget=trues=AJVazbWJ7STrzftFq9cwbjTnEnIfXJUStQ A user made changes from 2/13/11 8:22 AM to 8:22 AM Values changed Copy/Paste Open the current version of your Google Document NTS Canada- OSM Import Progress Chart: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tDERPhtQfnbbGpA0tx32C3Q Powered by Google Docs --- Want to stop receiving this email? http://spreadsheets.google.com/nt?key=tDERPhtQfnbbGpA0tx32C3Qr=-6095872962184607126 -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Topomaps (was Re: An introduction)
(i have a tendency to forget) - Colin Marcquet is the guy that did hikebikemap.de with the brilliant hill shading and contours (from strm) ... and working on Marble Desktop with it. - Andy Alan is the guy that did cyclemap, I don't have a myPod yet, so i dont know if those renderings are available, but do plan on getting the Samsung Galaxy Tab (because it's Android) .. saving pennys for it. Will be cool to see the standalone contour/shading, as it makes custom transparent rendering of features easier i think :) /end of extra thoughts cheers, sam On 2/4/11, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Welcome :) One of my projects is to create a planet set of Transparent Contour maps for Garmin GPS Device and MapSource, taking the SRTM data at 20 meter intervals. One option is to create and save .osm files of this contour data, at 1x1 degree size. (if its needed) Is this anywhere near your radar of working/interest? (and of course, OpenStreetMap garmin tiles can easily be used ontop). I thought about using the geobase contours, but GroundTruth SRTM data would get planet-wide consistancy, to be used as a start, especially where no other options are available. Thanks, Sam On 2/3/11, Dan Charrois d...@syz.com wrote: Hi everyone. Though I've communicated with a few of you on this mailing list directly, I thought I'd take a few moments to introduce myself to everyone else as a sort of newcomer to OSM. I say a sort of newcomer, since I first discovered OSM a year or two ago, and fiddled around with adding a few amenities here and there, but never really became more significantly involved until recently. Here's a bit of background... I'm not a professional cartographer, GIS expert, or anything like that... but I have been an mapping enthusiast for pretty much forever. As an astronomer (amateur mostly now, but having worn the professional hat for a few years), I was frustrated at the time by the lack of accuracy in astronomical simulation software, so took on the project of writing commercial software that, among other things, mapped more than 20 million celestial objects considering all kinds of subtle effects to their apparent positions. After the experience of doing that, I was hooked on mapping in general, and the science of figuring out where things are. I've since come somewhat back to Earth and have been involved with GPS since the years where Selective Availability was an issue to contend with (which dates myself :-), both on the hardware side (some of you have recognized me from being the Canadian distributor for Garmin-compatible plugs), as well as the software side (I've written software for carrier phase, cm-level positioning for single frequency OEM GPS boards). At least on the Earth, things stay relatively still :-) I then spent several years on non-mapping projects, which still take up the majority of my time, but have recently been able to sideline back into the arena with iPhone/iPad/iPod mapping software I'm currently developing, using OSM data - a cacheable, topographical map of the Earth. The project has involved setting up our own slippy map server merging OSM data with high resolution contour vector information and hillshaded raster data, and of course significantly tweaking the stylesheet for map rendering to remain visible and appealing over the additional elevation information. We're in the testing phases now, so it's not quite ready for release yet - I anticipate a month or two. The intent is to have this first foray into the iPhone/iPad/iPod world to serve as a jumping off point for other location-based ideas we have. And of course, getting more involved with OSM data for the project I'm working on has made me become much more active on doing my small part to continue to improve the resource. Pretty much any time I travel anywhere, a GPS track log follows me (sometimes on several devices), and I'm not the sort of person to let that information go to waste, so I'm often tweaking bits and pieces of OSM data in my neck of the world from that. I've also gotten more involved recently in the merging of Canvec data around Alberta into OSM, and will likely continue to do so in places I'm familiar with (Alberta and BC mostly). I'm using JOSM, and am always interested in hearing tips others have learned in terms of streamlining the process of adding information while at the same time being faithful to the data already available in OSM which is often (though not always) of better quality or utility than Canvec on its own. In any case, that's my story in a nutshell. I've been lurking here on the sidelines of OSM for long enough, so thought that now would be as good a time as any to say hi! Dan -- Syzygy Research Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [AtlanticCanada] Introduction
... but their is a conflict, as OpenStreetMap is not as 'free' as some people in the OSGeo community has indicated. (from my presentation to the osgeo-bc chapter last summer). But I agree, I can take a more professional approach, and write a Paper about this. It will be interesting to hear the results of if OSGeo-BC have changed their opinion, and perhaps this opinion is not reflected in Atlantic Canada? or perhaps there is no interest in discussing it, as people will still misunderstand what 'free' means, even after April 1st. I guess only time will tell. Cheers, Sam On 2/2/11, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, just a quick comment following your observation. I would like to point out the relation between osm and osgeo are orthogonal considering they have two different mandates: osgeo is working on open source geography tools, many of which I use almost everyday, osm is a free data source. The members between the two groups largely overlap and there is absolutely no conflict. Many people from osgeo are doing some work in osm and vice versa. OpenStreetMap Canada will never become osgeo-Canada because they don't have the same goals in the first place. I would also like to point out that several local osm groups are a sub section of local osgeo groups like what is happening in France and Germany. There is no licensing problem whatsoever or conflicts. I am part of osgeo-fr. In addition, tools like Mapnik are moving towards OGC standards allowing to use WMS. In addition, the OSM wiki website is full of examples on how to use many people produced by the osgeo community like mapserver, openlayers, GDAL/OGR2OGR, Postgis, etc. You can of course talk about different source of data on osgeo mailing lists. But you would however find very difficult to go and praise latest incarnation of Arcgis from ESRI on and on on the osgeo mailing list: that would be considered trolling. Similarly, raving on CommonMap on osm mailing lists is not considered polite at best. You are more than welcome to talk about it but making it the single point of all discussion is not considered polite. In addition, many people including me are talking to Brendan Morley regularly and we have no qualms about CommonMap. It is a different solution answering to a different need. However, it is not free of licensing issues itself, and so far it is possible for them to contribute back two ways with Australian government as it is using the same licence (CC-BY, a ported version for Australia), which may or may not prevent similar interaction in in Canada, or the US for example due to licensing issues. Apart from that, it is wonderful project which I hope will succeed. Anyway, this was a quick answer to your email. There is no point in continuing to hijack this thread in public and I am more than happy to continue to reply in private as I don't want to look like I am raving. Emilie Laffray OSMF Treasurer On 1 February 2011 14:16, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, Just an observation. On the talk-ca mailing list, where i have attended and creating osm - 'mapping parties', i have noticed where the difference is from an osgeo 'informal meeting' The OSGeo Community (all things geo-related) is a much more professional group. The group members tend to be professional gis people (in their day jobs). Where-as, for OSM, there is a tendency (or at least in the begining) for it to be 'weekend hobbiests, and geocaching, and maaping inthusiasts' So there is a contrast, which is known, but perhaps not apparent, especially when writing notes to each mailing list. Just an observation. If OpenStreetMap Canada wants to become osgeo-canada this is where the data licence conflicts. I can freely talk about 'commonmap and open map features, and alternate api's at a osgeo-canada meetup, but that discussion is 'shunned' on the osm-ca mailing list and meetups. Just an observation, -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [AtlanticCanada] Introduction
oops, Point taken, understood. I'll get back to my work now. Feel free to remind me about this blunder if i do it again. Regards, Sam On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Sam, you start with discussing the types of people in the communities (professional or hobby GIS interests) and then you bring licenses into it. Yes you can probably draw differences, but I know there are plenty of OpenStreetMap people who are GIS professionals, people who frequently wear shirts ties, and even some people who don't like going to pubs but still attend or help organise meet-ups (maybe not the ones in pubs). I don't see what that has to do with licenses. I also don't get what point you're trying to make, or what you want to discuss/investigate. Unless you are only trying to get this card http://bit.ly/dvF1Q1 OpenStreetMap is a (relatively specific/single) project. OSGeo is to encourage the use and collaborative development of community-led projects so it is working with many projects it takes or it births under it's wings. We both get along with each other (as demonstrated by Teresa posting above). Even if we don't officially have joint events, various people can and do attend each others events or other geo events. On the talk of 'free', this needs to be qualified with a definition of the word, as suggested already. Many people I talk to consider Google Maps to be free, and I am happy for theem to do so. I could even define 'free' so that Ordnance Survey is included. So could you clarify what your question or comment is in one sentence please. Or just stop trolling and I'll get back to my work/mapping. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] User: Acrosscanadatrails wiki.openstreetmap house cleaning effort
Hi all, (talk-ca list). With thanks to Frederik Grant, who have kindly flagged all of my wiki contribution pages for deletion, i have now fully backed-up all of these pages. For some of the pages, they were accidentally flagged, which should be kept. I put a note on each of these pages, as some of them might be kept. Since others have made edits after i created the page, there is no reason to delete the work. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Acrosscanadatrails I noted a few with This one is fine, Daniel from NRCan actually edited it. (should be kept) For the rest of them, it was mostly a 'housekeeping effort', as alot of the pages that i created (back in 2008) were relating to my (independent) Across Canada Trails project, where the material has no place on this OpenStreetMap wiki. I now have my own wikia website http://acrosscanadatrails.wikia.com/wiki/Across_Canada_Trails_Wiki so all of the material that i requested to be removed will be found on this website instead (not right away, but eventually). I have kept a copy of the pages on GoogleDocs in a private folder, as well as for some of the bigger pages, they are kept archived on mediafire.com http://www.mediafire.com/acrosscanadatrails The pages will be removed perminanly from the OpenStreetMap foundation servers, with 24 hours (or less or more if they decide to), but the actual information remains safe and now backed up elsewhere. Hopefully the wiki will be a bit cleaner now :) Cheers, Sam --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] User: Acrosscanadatrails wiki.openstreetmap house cleaning effort
hi, On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 2 February 2011 21:02, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, (talk-ca list). With thanks to Frederik Grant, who have kindly flagged all of my wiki contribution pages for deletion, i have now fully backed-up all of these pages. You have left off a pertinent fact... you requested that your contributions be removed: This page has been removed and archived off of OpenStreetMap Foundations Servers to a GoogleDoc's Document All other edits on this wiki website (by this user) are requested to be removed. Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAcrosscanadatrailsaction=historysubmitdiff=593344oldid=553498 But i also added in requests to keep stuff that is usefull :) I/you shouldn't be removing notes where others have made good edits ontop of it. (i updated the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Acrosscanadatrails to be a little more clear Thanks for fixing those canvec feature pages :) cheers, Sam Regards Grant Part of OSM sysadmin team ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] User: Acrosscanadatrails wiki.openstreetmap housecleaning effort
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 2 February 2011 21:42, Bégin, Daniel daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec The following pages should not have been marked for deletion and I'd like to see them back to the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Hydrography_(HD) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Administrative_boundaries_(LI) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Water_saturated_soils_(SS) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Toponymy_(TO) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Transportation_(TR) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Vegetation_(VE) I've removed the delete tag from these pages. Any more we want to keep? The http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_NTS_Tile_System explains what the NTS system is (for those not familar with it) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Daboriginal_lands http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Daboriginal_landsThe better solution would be to remove my edits, and drop them in slowly, the source .osm files do need to be re-converted http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ibycus_Topo Do people want this one removed? because its not directly related to OSM, it probably should be removed, and simply available on some other website (it's easily searchable) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Canada (its usefull stuff perhaps?) or maybe better on some other website? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GeoNB and its a start page for the data. (the data is loaded or will be loaded to koordinates.com for easy download) Cheers, Sam Regards Grant ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [AtlanticCanada] Introduction
FYI, Just an observation. On the talk-ca mailing list, where i have attended and creating osm - 'mapping parties', i have noticed where the difference is from an osgeo 'informal meeting' The OSGeo Community (all things geo-related) is a much more professional group. The group members tend to be professional gis people (in their day jobs). Where-as, for OSM, there is a tendency (or at least in the begining) for it to be 'weekend hobbiests, and geocaching, and maaping inthusiasts' So there is a contrast, which is known, but perhaps not apparent, especially when writing notes to each mailing list. Just an observation. If OpenStreetMap Canada wants to become osgeo-canada this is where the data licence conflicts. I can freely talk about 'commonmap and open map features, and alternate api's at a osgeo-canada meetup, but that discussion is 'shunned' on the osm-ca mailing list and meetups. Just an observation, cheers, sam On 2/1/11, Timothy Astle timothy.as...@caris.com wrote: Great to hear from you Jarrett! To start off with, I'm not a GRASS user, so I can't help you there. I'm sure that the GRASS mailing lists are the way to go for detailed discussions. http://grass.fbk.eu/community/support.php You'll have to come out to our next meeting. The meetings are informal social events to discuss all things GIS and of course, the free and open source software available. It's a great way to network, learn and share ideas. Definitely get the word out on this group to your peers. The more people that are involved, the better it is for all of us. Best wishes! Tim On 31/01/2011 6:51 PM, Jarrett Totton wrote: Hi All, I just figured I would introduce myself. My name is Jarrett Totton and I am a student at NBCC Moncton taking the GIS Diploma program. I am quite familiar with ESRI software, but when I came across GRASS it piqued my interest being a powerful GIS analysis engine without the powerful price-tag. I am not a programmer, my background is in forestry, but I want to master the use of GRASS (I am still in the learning phases, I know how to run it but am just learning where everything is) and learn how to develop my own modules in python(someday). I am quite interested in how people in the industry are using GRASS and other open source geospatial software and for what they are using it for. Also as a student I am interested in making myself as employable as possible for when I graduate and feel that GRASS and other free software will help with this. But enough about me. I also read in some of your previous emails that you as a group were seeking more involvement from schools and the like. I am sue if someone was interested they would be more than welcome to come to my school and introduce the organisation, and I could help arrange this. I would be very interested in sitting in on a meeting of the Atlantic Chapter of the Open Source Geospatial Foundation and would also like learning more about OSM and how I can contribute and how the data from OSM can be used in other projects and in what formats it can be used in. To end my short introduction of myself I would like to make a call for ideas for a project I have to do for school. I would be interested in solving a real world problem that has readily available data and would show the capabilities of GRASS. Thank you for your time, Jarrett Totton ___ AtlanticCanada mailing list atlanticcan...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/atlanticcanada -- Timothy Astle, BCS http://my.opera.com/tastle/blog/ Web Development Manager CARIS http://www.caris.com 115 Waggoners Lane Fredericton, New Brunswick CanadaE3B 2L4 Tel: +1.506.458.8533 Fax: +1.506.459.3849 www.caris.com http://www.caris.com *Connect with CARIS* Twitter http://www.twitter.com/CARIS_GIS LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=gid=3217878 FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/pages/CARIS-The-Marine-GIS-Experts/123907500987669?v=app_4949752878 YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/CARISGIS Download your free copy of CARIS Easy View today! www.caris.com/easyview http://www.caris.com/easyview _ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended only for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify us by email reply. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. No binding contract will result from this email until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook:
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
CommonMap fosm, and perhaps wikimapia in the future, and anyone who likes to use the great josm software. ... I'm using it to convert .osm to .gpx and .osm to .img After using shp-to-osm.jar, i use JOSM to work with the data ... I should be able to trace what i like, and create what i want ... never touching the osm-api. Incase JOSM developers do decide to block 'outside world users' qgis.org does exist, and it's a powerfull tool... So all is not lost. It's a good think that potlatch2 doesn't restrict APIs :) cheers, Sam On 1/30/11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? However David's point, and Anthony and mine and Dirks where, why should JOSM only support things that are applicable to OSM-F? Perhaps some other community out there doesn't care about Google's terms and conditions, why should it come down to baby sitting people? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
Oops, I mean restrict Imagery URLs. ... sorry got carried away on the last message :) On 1/30/11, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: CommonMap fosm, and perhaps wikimapia in the future, and anyone who likes to use the great josm software. ... I'm using it to convert .osm to .gpx and .osm to .img After using shp-to-osm.jar, i use JOSM to work with the data ... I should be able to trace what i like, and create what i want ... never touching the osm-api. Incase JOSM developers do decide to block 'outside world users' qgis.org does exist, and it's a powerfull tool... So all is not lost. It's a good think that potlatch2 doesn't restrict APIs :) cheers, Sam On 1/30/11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 January 2011 02:26, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You aren't addressing the core question. Given that the new imagery plugin has made it much simpler to accidentally infringe, is a URL blacklist a suitable way to raise that barrier closer to where it was a few weeks ago? However David's point, and Anthony and mine and Dirks where, why should JOSM only support things that are applicable to OSM-F? Perhaps some other community out there doesn't care about Google's terms and conditions, why should it come down to baby sitting people? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-ca] Using ImportImagePlugin in JOSM
Hi, Sure, can you send a link to the .zip file containing those maps that you need converted? In Victoria, there is a meet-up group called Victoria geo-geeks, i can pass it on and ask around if i cant figure it out :) There is also the osgeo mailing lists who has a wide variety of experts. (For stuff like this which is slightly out of OSM-land) Other software might be needed in the in-turn for re-projecting to a format that JOSM likes. If it's just .jpg that needs to be stretched mapwarper is a cool tool for it. http://mapwarper.net/ and depending on the area your looking at, we can see if their is other datasets that are available, and just not yet in OSM (but could be, ... if ...) Cheers, Sam On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Peter Freeman petersfree...@gmail.comwrote: I am unable to get the InstallImagePlugin to work in JOSM GOAL I have an image of a map that I scanned and I want to load it into JOSM as an underlay so I can trace the ways on the map in JOSM. PREPARATION The map file is called map.jpg and I have created a world file called map.wld TRIALS == I don't fully understand the values I need for the world file, however it represents an area approximately 8 kilometres (West to East) by 6 kilometres (North to South) and the top left hand edge of the map is approximately at a latitude of 1.5 (North) and a longitude of 103.5 (East) so I looked at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file and my file contains these values as a starting point: 100.0 0.0 0.0 -100.0 103.5 1.5 When I load the image, the plugin notices that I don't have a projection file (.prj) so it asks me if I want the default coordinate system. I choose Yes. Nothing appears and the scale (top left corner of JOSM goes to 20037.5 and I cannot zoom in or out. I have varied the values in the world file considerably but with the same result. QUESTIONS == Has anyone used this plugin? Can you give me reasonably correct values for my world file? Do I need to create a projection file What do I need to do to make this work? Thank you, Peter -- Peter Freeman 180 Musgrave Place Salt Spring Island, V8K 1V5 British Columbia, Canada (250) 653-4623 tel:+12506534623 http://members.shaw.ca/petersfreeman ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Using ImportImagePlugin in JOSM
Sweet! Thanks Stuart. Now i can go back todo what i was doing :) qgis is a powerfull program, and the support developers are that of brilliant minds. I still cant get qgis running on my computer, but i found that the problem is with my computer, and not the program. Hopefully you'll figure it out. cheers, Sam On 1/30/11, Peter Freeman petersfree...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stewart, Thanks! I have just installed Quantum GIS (I'm running Ubuntu 10.10) and have loaded the JPEG as a raster file and am now learning how do do what you suggested. Cheers, Peter Peter Freeman 180 Musgrave Place Salt Spring Island, V8K 1V5 British Columbia, Canada (250) 653-4623 http://members.shaw.ca/petersfreeman On 11-01-30 11:24 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: Hi Peter, It's been a while since I hand-rolled a world file. If you can, install a recent version of QGis, as it has a truly excellent georeferencer. You click on control points on the bitmap, indicate the coordinates they represent in the real world, then set the system off transforming the map. The map file is called map.jpg and I have created a world file called map.wld I'd call that map.jgw, which is the convention for JPEG world files. (TIFF has tfw, PNG pgw, and so on.) 100.0 0.0 0.0 -100.0 103.5 1.5 Ooh, that can't be right. Lines 1 and 4 are units/pixel; if you're using geographic coordinates, that's 100°/pixel. This wants to be a small number. Can you give me reasonably correct values for my world file? Lines 1 and 4 might want to be 0.01 and -0.01 respectively for 100 pixels/degree. Do I need to create a projection file It helps, but these are even harder to produce by hand than world files. I think that QGis can produce them in the georeferencer. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] CanVec National/Provincial SHP files - already done somewhere?
Hi all, I have begun the process of converting the CanVec National and Provincial GML files into shp file, and filtering down the shp file into 1 shp file per canvec map feature (code). I've already converted most of the features, and will be done processing them in the next few weeks. I'll have the resulting .shp files available on my mediafire.com folder. Has anyone already created the .shp files (1 feature per file, and split by province where the file is too big) and then further split by feature attribute where needed. These resulting .shp files are usefull, as many applications can work with it, and it's nice to have a map layer of just 1 featuer per layer (im uploading the layers to koordinates.com and perhaps geocommons.com) as well as making .osm files and garmin map files :) Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bilingual operator names
Some would argue that including a 'space' and forward slash '/' and French name, to be all on the same line. (some datasets do this) and others would argue that 'french rendermap' should show all french. . so it's osm, it's not perfect ... so just check out another federal facility that has french and copy :) Some would argue that we need a 'strict set of rules' ... and others argue 'free form rules with the masses and loudest' :) cheers, sam On 1/25/11, Samuel Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi When I tag government facilities, I put the name in the predominant local language (English in Manitoba) in the name tag. Put the English name in the English name tag and the French name in the French name tag. But what about the operator tag? For example Winnipeg has a facility know in English as the Centre for the Commercialization of Biomedical Technology, which is run by the organization known in English as the National Research Council and in French as Le conseil national de recherches Canada (that is the capitalization used on their website). So when put them in the operator tag, how do I handle the name. Do I - Create operator:en and operator:fr tags? - Put both names in the operator tags? Thanks Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] CanVec Canada - National Map Layer progress
Hi all, FYI, i'm making national map layers for all of the canvec map features, as .shp files and loading them to koordinates.com I'm converting the files to .osm as well as .img as a transparent map overlay, as well as a .gpx file and .gdb (garmin mapsource file) for those items of interest to use for sites like poifriend.com and creating the National Trails Inventory :) and currently storing them on mediafire.com/acrosscanadatrails site. I'm currently processing the 1st theme of 'LX_Places of Interest' it's a rather big task, but fun :) If anyone wants to help, and has use for these files im making, please let me know :) cheers, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec data to OSM
Hi, The talk-ca mailing list is your source for all you need to know about importing the canvec .osm files to the osm map :) The googledocs chart is open access and no signin required. I'm forwarding your message to the mailing list, as i am no longer involved with uploading these .osm files to the osm map (and directly editing osm), due to the licencing issues and the way that the OpenStreetMap Foundation is handling the transition, which i do not agree with. Hopefully someone else can help you out. cheers, Sam On 1/24/11, Dan Charrois d...@syz.com wrote: Hi Sam. I've been getting more and more involved in improving OSM data in my neck of the woods (Alberta and a bit of BC) - up until now I've been doing so with GPS track logs for places I've been, but recently stumbled across the CanVec *.osm files. I did a little test import in my area (083H13), which seemed to work well. To be sure I wasn't adding duplicate features, I only added the categories for features which didn't already exist in the area (waterway=stream, natural=wood, etc.). We already had good road network data for the area, which has been available for some time, and has been tweaked since, so I definitely didn't want the Canvec data to override that. A few situations like natural=water took much more effort since we already had data available for the large lakes, but not smaller ones. Not wanting to remove the OSM data already in place, and wanting to avoid duplications with the Canvec data, I went through and did a fair bit of manual editing to make sure I was only adding data for new features, not changing existing ones. Anyway, I notice from your OSM User:Acrosscanadatrails wiki account that you are not as involved directly with the Canada Import Status, but you still maintain the Canvec Import Status Google Doc. I suspect that it would be best if I logged the work I am doing there, but I have a question. First, I presume I'd need access to edit it. (my Google account username is d...@syz.com which I presume might be needed to grant access). But secondly, I read through the documentation under Import process at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec and am still a bit unclear of the right protocol to use when doing so. The tile I just worked on (and others around the area) are marked as being last edited by User:Stevens, on March 13, 2009, with a comment alberta portion imported http://www.mediafire.com/?rmgcz20uo5d;. I presume this may have been the initial load of Alberta roads. But how would you suggest I make a notation that I added additional Canvec data, without removing the information about the history of the work done on that tile by User:Stevens? I'm just wondering if there is a convention that should be followed. Thanks for your help! I look forward to getting more involved in continuing to add to the OSM resource! Dan -- Syzygy Research Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Purging vreimer
Has anyone been able to get a planet/north america extract of just user:vreimer's edits? i still havent figured out how. thanks, Sam On 1/18/11, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: On 2011-01-14, at 9:39 PM, Samuel Dyck wrote: Hi I've been looking at replacing much of vriemer's work in manitoba with Canvec data. Even replacing one tile is a daunting task, so I thought I'd ask the opions of others before I start work staring with Canvec tile 062H10. What do people think? Cleaning his edits has been a daunting task. I recently replaced his version of Brandon MB. I tried to maintain any local edits other than his. I find the Canvec data is higher quality anyways, so it's not a big loss really. Especially now that Canvec has street names. Tyler -- Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com http://www.egunn.com/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-talk] planet extract request: from users edits
Hi, Does anyone know how to extract a users edits from the API? I'm specifically looking for all of the edits (last changed) by user:reimer (mostly Canada) extracted to a sinle .osm file. and user:Acrosscanadatrails as an .osm file. Using windows XP on the command line. Please share all of the programs that i need to download inorder to preform the extract/download. Thanks in advance, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] [nzopengis] Re: modification extractions and uploading new layers
FYI, I'm just forwarding these comments over to the Canadian talk-ca list, as the national data is created in the exact same way. And BTW, the fact that the canvec data is available in full province/national sized shape files, as a layer for each feature (should) be great news for some. This is why im trying to convert the .gml file to .shp files to .osm files to .img files (using the data as a tool for mapping perfection) cheers, Sam On 1/15/11, dinarrow dinear...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 16, 9:45 am, Hamish hamish.bow...@gmail.com wrote: regards, Hamish No criticism of your efforts at all Hamish. You are right that LINZ is about the best data we can expect to get without walking everything with a GPS which it totally impractical in the short term. It is great to have your uploads to suggest things to actually get out and check in the field and I have been in the business long enough to know that the perfect database is a nirvana that does not exist. That being said I am getting the impression that there are various levels of accuracy in the LINZ data ranging from This will kill somebody to Someone may find this interesting just to know. In the case of the tank points nobody is going to die if the contents are incorrect (unless the try and drink the fuel :-) ) but the locations of some tanks ( such as the old water tower on the top of Bluff Hill, not plotted yet, just an example) may be used for navigation etc. and so more care has been taken with that data. I do not know how LINZ is structured now but back in the day proofs of the maps were always sent out to the regional offices (and sometimes even to us engineers etc. at the Post Office, MOW and other government departments) and great pride was taken using local knowledge to insure that the important features at least were correct before release. Today I suspect there is a lot more reliance on what can be seen in the imagery and there is less available local knowledge on the payroll. Anyway you just keep loading the LINZ data and I ( and others I hope) will keep checking and reporting what I can locally and both OSM and LINZ can become closer the nivana of perfection. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups nzopengis group. To post to this group, send email to nzopen...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nzopengis+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nzopengis?hl=en. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Flooding on NearMap
JOSM 3751 has the nearmap slippymap (i think that's the older josm). My idea is to use josm for the detailed tracing, then use qgis to convert it to a .shp file layer. Then upload it to koordinates.com as a public layer called 'your version of floodmess area'. If many people do this, then we have (on koordinates.com) a bunch of layers which are all similar, so it gets a 'croudsource view' of the area effected. The darker/higher concentratin of coverage, would tell those who would need to know, exactly where the floodline/contour is. This method is NOT using OpenStreetMap, but it's still 'crowdsourcing'. Worth a try :) ... also geocommons.com could be used to upload your version of the .shp file area. I'll have computer time sunday/monday to get started and upload my version. cheers, Sam ps. does anyone have a time stamp for exactly when the flood reached peak height? (might show up on wikipedia, havent checked) On 1/14/11, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Folks NearMap's flood run of Brisbane is partially online. e.g. in the CBD through to Oxley Creek at least. Sam Vekemans has expressed interest to me in helping trace the flood line. All I can say to that right now is please trace not just to the level of the visible floodwater but also the traces of where it's been. For example, it's fairly obvious on most of the roads where the high tide of the silt/sludge has been. This will be an invaluable resource in, essentially, where not to build. I have no idea what to tag it, I'm sure you'll work something out. Brendan -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-ca] Purging vreimer
Well, all of my edits 'user:acrosscanadatrails' needs to be removed from the API also. Fortunatly, my edits vreimer's edits are all welcome to be used for the creation of the 'do not sell' garmin gps maps :) so it sounds like there are no volunteers to share the secrets of 'extracting users edits and saving as a .osm file' So i'll figure out on my own, and provide the download link to where this file is stored. cheers, Sam On 1/14/11, Samuel Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing we need to think about. Whatever you position on the license change, it is doubtful vreimer will take the trouble to consent to the new terms. So we should probably gat all his stuff removed anyways. Sam Sam On 11-01-14 09:50 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: What would be great is to extract an .osm file containing only vreimer's edits. Is this possable? It would be great to have this file, so then after vreimer's edits gets removed reom the osm api, they can be used to make other maps. and added into other api's :-) On 1/14/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've been looking at replacing much of vriemer's work in manitoba with Canvec data. Even replacing one tile is a daunting task, so I thought I'd ask the opions of others before I start work staring with Canvec tile 062H10. What do people think? Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM Fork] paths and roads and approval, oh my
It's a monthly thing ...in OSM land lol .. smooth :) On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The wiki is confusing, though. It puts highway=residential, highway=track, highway=service, and highway=pedestrian under the subcategory of roads, but it puts highway=cycleway, highway=footway, and highway=bridleway under the subcategory of paths. Which I thought was distinguishing between motor vehicle traffic allowed and motor vehicle traffic not allowed. But then highway=pedestrian would be an exception. [] Well, according to my understanding of the wiki, a cycleway (like a bridleway and a footway) is a path and not a road. If we want to keep that distinction, maybe there should be a highway=unknown tag, for cases where we don't know if it's a path or a road. By the way, this is a great example of why no approval process required for tags is a weakness, and not a strength (see Ultimate list of approved keys, http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/6203) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] What's happening in April? (was: Re: Suitable Garmin GPS Devices)
/me is hoping that there will be multiple API instances globally so then the planet load can be shared. Ideally, designated country-specific APIs which require a unique login will be setup and ready for april 1st.. This makes for merging the API's at a later date (when the dust settles) MUCH easier. cheers, Sam On 1/3/11, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM after April Fool's Day. We will have alternate data sources by then. Oh, this is news. What's happening in April? (I guess I am not one of the substantial contributors :)) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-ca] mygeodata.eu - canvec gml 2 shp
Hi, So apparently mygeodata.eu is able to convert the .gml files of canvec into .shp file. then (of course) shp-to-osm.jar to convert it to osm, and josm to convert it to .gpx The only challenge is the map projection that i cant get right. The .gml files are great, as it's a national and provincial set of each of the features as layers .. Its only the building structure .. and another theme that is big. So it would be cool if someone who knows how, to convert it to .shp format, or explain how (using python) .and just share the files. Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Tagging] 0-0 address lines
Hi, You might want to ask the talk-ca list... instead of tagging list :) It's the default value for CanVec when the data is not available. Every 6 months, the source data (as Natural Resources Canada made .osm files) gets updated. So more provinces will have housenumbers, in time :) ... the 1st priority is roadnames. . but alas, this is OSM, and it is possable to remove it. Or is it? Thanks, Sam On 12/20/10, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: There are a lot of ways in Canada like http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71852646 that have addr:housenumber = 0 at both ends. Is this a bad import or legitimate way of tagging? ___ Tagging mailing list tagg...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-talk] Category: Users who contribute their data in Public domain
Hi all, I'm just wondering how many users out their still need to update their wiki.openstreetmap.org page wit their licence preference. It would be good that those who want their edits to be in the public domain be noticable, otherwise, its very difficult to figure out what your intentions are when mapping (as well as editing the wiki for that matter). Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Yes, hopefully the OSM-Foundation will provide a full planet.osm file. ... However, to be on the safe side (there is no benifit for osm-foundation to help), having a bunch (i'd say at least 10) copies of the latest planet.osm scattered across many websites / offlines and external hard drives will ensure the safety of the years of volunteers efforts. Also, having local regional copies of .osm files will make the task easier to filter out the data by users (and licences). This way once the other API's are called to help (March 1st 2011), we will have a good volume of data to begin (or keep going as in the case of fosm.org) so then it will cause a very minimal disruption for mappers of all types. cheers, sam On 12/18/10, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:15 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 09:49 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've put some details on how to add NearMap back in for the latest JOSM versions on the wiki, Why? Did you fail to read the minutes that were posted? Basically OSMF has given itself the ultimate authority to remove all non-compliant data by end of March. The foundation board also considered the loss of data and does not consider its removal a reason not to proceed with new terms. It appears the foundation have given a big screw-you to every contributor who has contributed and complained about very minor wording in their new licences, and considers that the removal of our contributed data, is acceptable. That its better to have a blank map than it is to have a project of happy contributors. So, whens the aussie fork coming? The OSMF stated that there will be a (full history?) dump prior to any removal of CC BY-SA data, this can then form the start of the osm ccbysa fork. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-ca] Fire Hydrant Data for Toronto
The data will be visable on koordinates.com in the next few weeks, once the other datasets are all loaded to this central repository, we will be able to easily see the various data and qualities available. cheers, sam On 12/17/10, Blake Crosby m...@blakecrosby.com wrote: On 17/12/2010 10:42 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: Got my vote, I like lots of data... although why would anyone other than the fire department need to know where the fire hydrant's are? One reason I can think of has to do with house insurance. Insurance rates are based on how close you are to a fire hall and fire hydrant. Another reason I can think of has to do with parking. Since you are not allowed to park in front of a hydrant. I think having these on a map may help. Blake ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Re: GeoBase Aboriginal Lands Import 2010
Hi, The full Aboriginal Lands data file is both available on the wiki, and the geobase website. The .shp files will be loaded to koordinates.com for easy reference (along with every other dataset i can find). I have figured out a method to revert and remove all of my edits, but this will take some time, as it is a delicate process. I dont have a computer right now (it's in the computer shop) so i can't pass on any links. I imagine that this process should take a few months to complete, so i will note it on my user profiles (there is a 'significant' number of errors, which were found out after the process was complete). I'll let the list know when it's all removed. Feel free to remind me if its not done by february 1st 2011, as i am doing many things, which are all important :) Sorry for the inconvience, Regards, Sam p.s. i blog alot, so i do have notes on my posterous.com blog. (i use that rather than filling up this list with not-so-topic-related-info) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] GeoBase Aboriginal Lands Import 2010
I'm just cc'ing talk-ca. and im not sure about the renderings/tagging of this. ... perhaps it's better if i remove everything that i added? It'll be loaded onto koordinates.com (hopefully in the next few weeks), i had troubles with the dataset the 1st time round, but solved the problem, as provincial files will be better used. but for the osm database? .. i have no clue. ... if people have better tagging solutions, they are welcome to re-do it. But for now, i guess i'll just leave it alone. (i think aboriginal lands should be the same as provinces... :)... so they will be, but just on a different map. cheers, sam On 12/12/10, twain m-150598-256...@messages.openstreetmap.org wrote: Hi acrosscanadatrails, twain has sent you a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject GeoBase Aboriginal Lands Import 2010: == Hi, I've just noticed your Aboriginal Lands Import (example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/55940722) which has an rather non-standard admin_level (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level). Could I ask you to please fix this import? Many thanks, -- Brian == You can also read the message at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/150598 and you can reply at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/150598 -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport
cool, I'm just blogging this for later, the Oxoma Schema sounds interesting to investigate further. cheers, sam On 12/8/10, Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com wrote: On 12/08/2010 08:44 PM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: Hello Yes, the Public Transport proposal is basically based on Oxomoa, but in some details different. unified stoparea would redefine highway=bus_stop from beside the way to on the way. I'm quite sure this would reject the proposal in a vote. unified stoparea and public transport can and do exist beside each other. But you are right, it does not make sense to approve both proposals. I do not care about which of the two proposals will be approved. But I think it is time to get a more exact schema approved then the fuzzy/non-existing schema (A railway station of 400m length and 20 platforms or a bus stop for 3 buses per direction of 50m length is reduced to one node) we have now. Regards Teddych On 12/08/2010 06:02 PM, Oleksandr Vlasov wrote: Dominik Mahrer (Teddyteddyat teddy.ch writes: I want to invite everyone to comment the (in central europe) already widely used new Public Transport Schema: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport Good work - a few months ago I started mapping the public transportation network in Milan and started out by looking around how other cities were doing it. My aim was to use a tagging scheme which is easy to understand/learn, minimizes data entry effort (it makes a difference whether mapping a single line takes half an hour or two hours) and is supported by the common renderers. The results of the research I did back then is at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Milano/Trasporti_pubblici (unfortunately it is in Italian only, but maybe non-Italian speakers can still get some information on tagging out of it). The differentiation between stop_position and platform elegantly solves the dilemma on the position of the node (on the way or next to it). For routing applications it is definitely more convenient if the node is part of the way. However, two stops located on either side of the road would thus collapse into one point and it would no longer be possible to tag explicitly one or the other. (For example: here in Milan each stop, i.e. pole, has a unique number, which I tag as ref. If there is a double tram stop, there is a single node but two numbers. Using only this single node, there is no easy way to tell which number belongs to which side of the road. Or another example: what if there is a shelter on one side of the road, but not on the other?) In the new proposal I am missing some details on how to build relations: 1. Should the outward and return trip be represented as two separate relations, as a single relation or is that up to the mapper? I would favor separate relations: The ways used may be different (a road with two physically separated lanes, or a labyrinth of one-way streets in a European city), and with one relation per direction it is easy to sort the ways and detect holes in the route. 2. Which members should the relation contain, and in which order? My approach to this: all way segments, tagged as role=forward or role=backward. The way segments should be sorted; where a bus passes the same way twice, it should be added twice - this allows for easy verification if the route is complete. Additionally the relation should contain all stops, which must also be sorted (some rendering applications, e.g. sketch-route, need the correct order of all stops). Stops should not be mangled with the ways - either insert ways first, then stops, or vice versa. Again, this is for better overview and makes the process less error-prone. 3. Which data primitive should be added for stops? My suggestion: the one which best identifies the actual position at which the vehicle stops (and passengers board). This can be either the platform, the stop position or the stop area relation. Given that the stop position is always a node while the platform may be a node or an area, the stop position is probably the less problematic one to use (some renderers already support the combination of role=stop, public_transport=stop_position). I would recommend against adding the stop group relation as stop, since this does not provide sufficient information as to where passengers can really board the vehicle (stop groups can be huge). 4. How are line variants mapped? One relation for each variant? Or one relation for the common part and one for each alternative? Sincerely, this is where I'm myself at a loss. Imagine a bus line with the following stops: A - B - C - D - E1 - F1 - G - H - I - K. Now as for the variants. It's a made-up example, but there are lines in Milan which are hardly better: - Stops E1 and F1 are in a street which is regularly closed for the weekly market (suppose Wednesday from 6:00 to 16:00). During that time, the bus takes a
Re: [Talk-ca] [nzopengis] Re: python script to find duplicates
Hi, (sorry if im a broken record) I know that Daniel and the NRCan-CanVec data team are desparatly trying to figure out a way to be able to get the 'omissions' and 'remissions' data to help make the CanVec product better. Perhaps the folks at Linz are already in Contact with NRCan? ... as we (in Canada) also want to give back changes to help make canvec better. The OSM licence is restrictive for it, but this is where CommonMap can be of help in bridging the gap. I know that Steve Coast does not want OSM to be giving back changes to the government, as SA cannot be truely respected at the government level. ... only if OSM was ccBY then it can be possable. ... so it appears to be a yammer. (closed loop twitter). Perhaps someone can find flaws in my logic? thanks, sam On 12/5/10, Hamish hamish.bow...@gmail.com wrote: Hamish: ok, so perhaps we should have two tags for that: LINZ:merged=V16 for things which got merged with existing OSM features, and LINZ:corrected=V16 for things that were blatantly wrong in the LINZ V16 dataset. (I probably wouldn't bother tagging cosmetic / cartographer's license adjustments of only a few metres). Rob: Can't we skip the LINZ:corrected tag just check the V16 coordinates against where the feature ended up in OSM? I'd like a way to separate flag errors which should be specifically reported back to LINZ, from minor cosmetic tweaks which are probably just taking things to a finer map scale than the 1:50k which LINZ is interested in for their topo maps, or just gratuitous edits. maybe it's the tags which get changed and not the lat/lons? sometimes a simple distance threshold for all doesn't cut it: 7m off on a divided motorway vs the same distance off in the wops somewhere...? another point is that as time goes on the osm data will get bumped around more and more, either on purpose or by mistake. (dragging entire way instead of a single node is a pretty easy snafu in josm and merkaartor) I guess we'll figure this out as we go. Hamish -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups nzopengis group. To post to this group, send email to nzopen...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nzopengis+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nzopengis?hl=en. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-ca] Hospital list...
I'm not certain that OpenStreetMap supports that activity. All available data needs to be added to OpemStreetMap, and cannot be extracted for any external gis system, unless the complete external gis system is previously imported into OpenStreeMap. Checking with legal for the use. OpenStreetMap is a ccBYsa/odbl map, and is not a public domain or CCBY map, by any streatch cheers, sam On 12/4/10, Colin McGregor colin.mc...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing some stuff with the Random Hacks of Kindness folks (http://www.rhok.org/) and am looking for a list of geo-referenced hospitals. Anyone know an easy way to get this info. out of Open Street Map, or baring that know of another source of this data that could be freely re-used by not for profits looking to help co-ordinate disaster responses... Thanks. Colin McGregor ___ Talk-ca mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-ca] Hospital list...
I'm not certain that OpenStreetMap supports that activity. All available data needs to be added to OpemStreetMap, and cannot be extracted for any external gis system, unless the complete external gis system is previously imported into OpenStreeMap. Checking with legal for the use. OpenStreetMap is a ccBYsa/odbl map, and is not a public domain or CCBY map, by any streatch cheers, sam On 12/4/10, Colin McGregor colin.mc...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing some stuff with the Random Hacks of Kindness folks (http://www.rhok.org/) and am looking for a list of geo-referenced hospitals. Anyone know an easy way to get this info. out of Open Street Map, or baring that know of another source of this data that could be freely re-used by not for profits looking to help co-ordinate disaster responses... Thanks. Colin McGregor ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [CivicAccess-discuss] Map of the Month 11/2010: Canadian Circumpolar Map
Thanks for sharing! I know that Natural Resources Canada has been working hard to make the Maps in the north uptodate. I'll be making FreeGarmin Maps from the data, and i'll will get uploaded Onto OpenStreetMap, GeoCommons, Koordinates, CommonMap, and others, so it will be usable by manu many people, all over the globe :). Great Work! Sam On 12/1/10, Tracey P. Lauriault tlaur...@gmail.com wrote: Since Canadian politics is aiming north, there has been lots of mapping, excellent cartography, data gathering, database organizing and so on. Here is one of the artifacts: Canadian Circumpolar Map - http://icaci.org/Map-of-the-Month-112010 Topographic Maps: http://maps.nrcan.gc.ca/topo_metadata/index_e.php Data: http://www.api-ipy.gc.ca/pg_IPYAPI_052-eng.html -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [CivicAccess-discuss] City of Windsor's Open Data License has improved
... oh and talk-ca@ list, im forwarding this off, as it is of interest to Canada nationally as using the data from various cities will (now because of odbl) is VERY strict. So the loby to the governments is to puch towards public domain for tax-payer funded data, as this is for the 'common' good. so 'everyone', including ALL map makers of all kinds, are not forced to jump through hoops, just to find the data. -- Forwarded message -- From: Glen Newton glen.new...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:09:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] City of Windsor's Open Data License has improved To: civicaccess discuss civicaccess-disc...@civicaccess.ca I agree, this is a slight improvement (sorry Mita). 1 - Still problematic (and fundamentally not 'Open'): The City may, in its sole discretion, cancel or suspend your access to the data sets without notice and for any reason 2 - The following is a weird thing to have (even in the introduction) of something trying to be an Open license: By accessing the data sets, you agree to these Terms of Use, which are intended toensure that the recipients of these data sets give back to the community the benefits they derive from these data sets. How people use the data should not be linked to giving back to the community. Yes, it is great if it does benefit the community, but who is to decide what is a benefit? While the above statement does not make the TOU non-Open, it is not in the spirit of Open (Non-discrimination). 3 - The City may at any time and from time to time add, delete, or change the data sets or these Terms of Use. This does not make clear whether a future change will impact the data I got today. All things being equal, I would interpret this as being retroactive. Again, versioning of both TOU and the data sets to which it applies is needed here. Clarity is better. -Glen Related: http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/2010/07/its-not-open-data-so-stop-calling-it.html http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-is-open-gov-data-sunlight.html On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Mita Williams mita.willi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm *pretty sure* that the City of Windsor has improved their TOU in respect to their Open Data Catalogue. (I am now a firm advocate of version control when it comes licensing!) I know I didn't see language like this before: The City of Windsor (City) now grants you a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive licence to use, modify, and distribute the data sets in all current and future media and formats for any lawful purpose. http://www.citywindsor.ca/DataCatalogue/PDF/OpenDataTermsofUse.pdf Thank you everyone who responded to my original query about the TOU and for the pointer to the CIPPIC's recent work. It's my understanding that your responses made their way to the City which I like to believe, led to these changes. Mita ___ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list civicaccess-disc...@civicaccess.ca http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- - ___ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list civicaccess-disc...@civicaccess.ca http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Administrative boundary Data, Québec
i also tweeted about it yesterday Sam Vekemans @acrosscanada Sam Vekemans [CivicAccess-discuss] What's doing in Montreal? Re: Montréal Ouvert in the Gazette #opengov #montreal #quebec #canada http://post.ly/1G8Lk 19 hours ago via Posterous Perhaps a way to help is to join in the existing movement for opening up data? On a provincial level, we know that they get their data updates from the municipal level. So working with focus on the municipal level, helps 'push the envelope' a little further. what i have found is that it actually takes multiple people from multiple backgrounds to continue to simply 'just ask' , sending comments directly to the provincial/regional/municipal governments, and in your own words, just simply ask why they are not following the lead of what other provinces/regional/municipal governments already are doing. :) On a provincial level, im certain that they already know that they need to change their ways and the 'protectionism of geodata' does need to change.But this just takes time. .. and they need to be reminded :) Similar to how the concept of 'email' took a very long time to spread across all governments. :) ... if enough people ask... then they will deliver :) Cheers, Sam --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap The Common Map channel (an open chat room) On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There already is a 'significant' amount of boundary data that is already available from statsCAN, it just hasn't been imported into osm. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Statistics_Canada_%28StatsCAN%29 http://www.mediafire.com/?jlr1vicrvpc0nbm (direct download) Have you had a chance to review it yet? It's been converted to .osm format and in the correct 'french name 1st default'. cheers, sam On 11/28/10, Pierre (Code PierZen) infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr wrote: ENGLISH MESSAGE FOLLOWS J'ai vu des discussions datant de janvier sur l'import des données de limites administratives du Québec. Ceci semble de toute évidence stagner. Ces donnés sont pourtant essentielles tant pour décrire le Québec que pour une recherche efficace de lieux, etc. S'il est exact que nous ne pouvons toujours pas obtenir ces données gratuitement et sans restriction d'usage, je propose que le travail de cartographie accompli à date nous serve de fer de lance pour séduire le député de Sherbrooke et premier-ministre du Québec. La région de Sherbrooke, au Québec, est en quelque sorte un projet-pilote pour l'import des données CANVEC dans OSM. Ce évidemment grâce au travail de Daniel Bégin et du support de Ressources naturelles Canada. On voit le vert s'étendre de jour en jour sur la carte. La carte Hike Bike Map nous permet également de voir des éléments essentiels au tourisme en Estrie, les pistes cyclables et les sentiers de randonnée. Je propose que les collaborateurs OSM du Québec envoient une lettre à Monsieur Charest présentant le progrès accompli par la cartographie libre OSM, en fasse ressortir l'importance pour le tourisme, l'environnement etc. et demandent l'obtention gratuite et sans restriction d'utilisation pour les données administratives du Québec ayant une grande importance pour la cartographie du Québec. Il faudrait évidemment décrire les différentes données attendues, soit notamment Limites administratives (MRC, Régions administratives, Communautés urbaines, municipalités, etc.) Les bassins versants de rivières. Pierre (Codename PierZen) I have seen discussions dating from january on importing administrative data for Quebec. This seems obviously stagnate. These data are neverthless crucial both to describe the Quebec as to make efficient search of localities, etc. If this is true that we cannot obtain such data for free and unrestricted use, I propose that the mapping work done to date serve as a spearhead to seduce the Deputy for Sherbrooke and Prime Minister of Québec. We can say that the area of Sherbrooke, Quebec, is a kind of pilot project to import CANVEC data in OSM. This was a massive contribution from the federal government. And this obviously through the work of Daniel Bégin and support from Natural Resources Canada. We see the green spread daily on the OSM map. The specialized Hike Bike Map also allows us to see some essential elements of tourism in the Eastern Townships, bike paths and hiking trails. I propose that employees OSM Quebec send a letter to Mr. Charest's presenting then OSM mapping progress and brings out the importance for tourism, environment etc., and require obtaining administrative data from Quebec government free and with unrestricted
Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Opendata recent releases
Cool! I from looking at whats available, I grabbed a random spot / tile area from the os vectormap http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/vectormap/district/docs/feature_code_list_v1-0.pdf I'll be cross-referencing these map features with the other features around the planet. Does anyone have a list / chart for what OSM tags were chosen for the conversion script? Thanks, Sam On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Thursday 25 November 2010, Bunny wrote: The latest release of OS Streetview® is now available 1/11/10 The November release of OS LocatorTM is now available 16/11/10 The November release of Code-Point Open is now available 18/11/10 See: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/opendata/ Excellent! Thanks for the reminder. robert. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] using wiktionary.org on map feature pages
... and *we* can also edit wiktionary.org ... but lets not go their eithor ... I already agreed to the 1st responce, and i'm creating a separate wiki website for 'international map feature standards' .. which is a combination of the many different maps that are around the world. I'll only be adding in the .osm tags when a standard is known, and already used by mapping agencies ... like Natural Resources Canada (canvec) and clearly defined like Linz. ... with a link to the osm wiki. So it's in the reverse order, as the 'OpenMapFeatures' (if that's what it will be called) cheers, sam On 11/21/10, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Surely it will just reinforce the idea that tag keys and values should be interpreted as their literal dictionary meanings, which for many of our tags is completely wrong. Seconding this. The definition of power=pylon is whatever *we* decide it is, not whatever wiktionary decides it is. Don't even go there. Steve -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] using wiktionary.org on map feature pages
Hi, I'm just wondering if it's ok to incert the wiktionary.org definition(s) of the word(s) used for each map feature wiki page. Or would it be better if i create my own independent wiki website for it. since my plans are above and beyond the scope of osm. As i detail the map features from various datasets across the globe and compare/contrast the definitions and rendering samples that are provided in their own schema list. Thanks, Sam p.s. please cc me directly :), i just get the digest. Thanks. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] using wiktionary.org on map feature pages
o-kay, Then i'll just include a pocket sized english to osm-ish dictionary :) ... so it'll be in a separate wiki website. Fair enough. cheers, sam On 11/21/10, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 21/11/10 17:04, Sam Vekemans wrote: I'm just wondering if it's ok to incert the wiktionary.org definition(s) of the word(s) used for each map feature wiki page. Why would you want to? Surely it will just reinforce the idea that tag keys and values should be interpreted as their literal dictionary meanings, which for many of our tags is completely wrong. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] license change map
Yup, geocommons.com does this. Just upload the data (in small pieces) to geocommons, and the community can use the data as layers, searching for what i available. I use openJUMP, an easy program to learn, to view shp files, and extract a small area and separating it from feature attribute. cheers, sam On 11/20/10, Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote: Wouldn't this problem be easier to manage if each CC-BY data source was kept in separate data store which is combined as a layer on the client or tile server? These layers could then be attributed when or if they are actually shown. This would also simplify the situation where data such as the postcode boundaries is being attributed to the ABS but has been changed by an OSM mapper, possibly not for the better, as well as allowing us to easily incorporate updates. From: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 3:13:16 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] license change map ... There was a issue being explored about the fact that the Contributor Terms (rather than ODbL itself) allowed relicencing but didn't explicitly ensure that attribution was maintained: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Open_Issues#Incompatibility_with_CC-BY_.2F_Attribution_Data Attribution is a big thing to comply with the spirit of the government data releases but the respondent on that wiki page states Should a data donor feel that this [attribution on derived works] is important, then probably that data should not be in OSM, no matter what license we use.. This seems out of touch with the situation on the ground; one of the big things any data donor is going to get out of providing their data is free advertising for how public minded they are. I would think the better solution is to have the attribution simplified like Google Maps does. eg. Google Maps for canberra says Copyright PSMA, MapQuest etc. OSM post-ODbL could have a technical solution that suggests to derivative users (Mapnik etc.) if you want to make a map of data between -35.15, 149.00 and -35.3, 149.25, it should have Source: OSM Contributors, ABS, Geoscience Australia on it. In the case of Australia, we also have stuff like the Service Stations and I don't know the attribution requirements on those but I'm sure that there aren't so many data imports that there would be difficulty attributing them when they are visible. ie. The ABS suburbs aren't visible on a world map but the UN coastline boundaries are so give credit where credit is due. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-ca] [The Across Canada Trails Foundation: Supporting the Free Garmin GPS Route Ma...
FYI, I just noticed that 'Open Street Map' was quoted in the origional post. Although this data cannot be used for OSM, it can... only if enough people keep on reminding them that the City of Surrey, BC has made the data public domain, and ask them why they cant do the same. I dont yet have the data posted to geocommons.com, but will in the 'near' future. cheers, sam On 11/18/10, Across Canada Trails samvekem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just posting this to my blog. (and ccc'ing the city email) For everyone who see's this, please contact the City of Vancouver, and ask if they can make all of these datasets available in the public domain, like the City of Surry, BC has done already. The only way that this can happen is that more people request it. (They have heard enough from me, so they need to hear it independently from multiple people in order to make it happen). cheers, sam On 11/18/10, opendata-vancou...@list.vancouver.ca http://data.vancouver.ca/datasetFeedback.htm linda@vancouver.ca acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com http://list.vancouver.ca/u?id=85069.8b5e72cc79a7693759eb98aa866accc6n=Tl=op... leave-96094-85069.8b5e72cc79a7693759eb98aa866ac...@list.vancouver.ca Posted via email from acrosscanadatrails's posterous -- Posted By Across Canada Trails to The Across Canada Trails Foundation: Supporting the Free Garmin GPS Route Map at 11/18/2010 03:54:00 PM -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-transit] What's going on with Öpnvkarte ?
Hi all, a backgrounder.. The raw data is available from gtfs (i think) which holds the 'official' data on a central holding place. The route relations that are currently in osm are a mix of both, hand-drawn (manually attached to osm ways and nodes) and imported with manual tweeking. The licence on the manual tweeking is of ccBYsa, where the raw data is public domain or ccBY. So edits in osm cant go back to the official source. Ideally, the gtfs data should be listed as a separate layer and hosted on geocommons.com as eact dataset source can be it's own layer. Ideally, potlatch2 can show this data as a background .shp file so it can be used to enhance osm. And to give back to each transit authority, it needs to be done on an individual basis. (or on a separate combined map with a different licence) FYI, cheers, sam On 11/16/10, Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com wrote: On 11/12/2010 08:45 PM, Michael von Glasow wrote: Hello list, For those of you who don't already know me from other lists I participate in, my name is Michael and, among others, I map public transportation in Milan. Up to now I have relied on Öpnvkarte (aka openbusmap.org) for representing bus, tram and other routes. However, as some of you may have noticed, the site appears somewhat deserted - the last update is reportedly from early September (without specifying a date; the site used to be updated multiple times a week with a precise date on the main page) and tiles in the higher zoom levels are broken. Does anybody know what's going on? I sincerely hope the project has not been abandoned and the outage is only temporary... up to now, this has been the definitive site for public transportation mapping, and I'd be really sad to see it go... Michael In the meantime, I have found a posting by Melchior Moos, the maintainer of Öpnvkarte, to talk-de (in German). Basically, the load has gotten too much for his server to handle, and at the moment he does not have the time to fix it. So we'll have to wait and see... ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-ca] Import of Central Okanagan Regional District GIS data?
Hi, On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Wetzel d...@turbocat.de wrote: Hi, how can I import that data into OSM? Screenshot of the lake data: http://666kb.com/i/bo6xehi8ofhep3l5f.gif Lakes.zip from http://www.regionaldistrict.com/departments/gis/gis_RDCO_datalists.aspx Cool! I went ahead and created/uploaded some data onto geocommons.com and made a map of it http://geocommons.com/maps/35371 It seems like this information would be valuable for OSM, right? Hopefully someone else can help with those details. Cheers, Sam Is there a converter? Thanks! Dave ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] UBC, Vancouver orthography, and street alignment
were still waiting for OpenStreetMap to change it's licence :) lol... but anyway, geocommons.com is a good temporary home for the p files :) and having the data on standby just waiting to use used is helpfull. cheers, sam On 10/31/10, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I was under the impression that the City of Vancouver Open data along with Ottawa's and Calgary's wasn't quite open enough for OSM use. I assume you aligned with CANVEC data and merely visually confirmed it against Vancouver's data? I understand they were looking at changing the license, if you have any news on this I'd be grateful. Thanks John On 31 October 2010 00:18, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: UBC in Vancouver has been suffering from issues of building misalignment because the Yahoo orthography is misaligned with the ground and suffers from distortion[1]. The City of Vancouver offers some mapping data [2] which can be used with OSM. I've taken 16 tiles that cover most of UBC and corrected most of the streets to these as these reflect the GPS traces, CanVec data, and my knowledge from being a student. They are also high resolution, being listed as 40cm, but I can easily make out smaller features. I've also done some micro-mapping around the SUB, Buchanan, the Chan Center and Rose garden, and down by CEME. As the process to convert the .ecw files is a long and computationally heavy one if anyone wants the resulting slippymap which can be used with the JOSM slippymap plugin and is regularly at UBC I could burn them onto a CD. I also have all of Vancouver processing to make a slippymap, but it has only been about 25 hours so it is not finished yet. If anyone wants that, it'll take multiple DVDs. Of course, anyone could recreate it from the downloaded files but anticipate gdal2tiles taking about 30-40 hours on a good computer. If anyone notices misaligned streets at UBC and isn't able to get the Vancouver orthography working I'd appreciate knowing and I can align them. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Canada:British_Columbia:Van couveroldid=552230#University_of_British_Columbiahttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Canada:British_Columbia:Van%0Acouveroldid=552230#University_of_British_Columbia [2] http://data.vancouver.ca/datacatalogue/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Map Error
Cool, thanks :) I suspect that the data is also more current. I dout that better data is available, untill you get to the municipal level. I like the geobase data, primarly because it is in water basins. But i think quality is more important than ease of use. Do i need to make the shp files available? I'm thinking of posting the data to geocommons.org. cheers, sam On 10/25/10, Bob Dustan bob.dus...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, I just updated the affected area using LIO WMS to trace from. Incidentally, LIO matches up with Google imagery fairly well. Bob On 10/25/2010 12:40 AM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, Yes. Thats most likely correct. This happens across the country along the NTS border lines. You might want to check the GeoBaseNHN data, as it could be better. (since its organized in water basins)[1] Then we can go 1 level deeper, into the Land Information Ontario dataset. A WMS layer is available [2] as well as the source shp files. (I do have direct access to it (via a data warehouse loginID) [1] wms layer for JOSM (found on this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geobase/NHN_-_OSM_Map_Feature) http://wms.cits.rncan.gc.ca/cgi/wms_en.cgi?map=/export/wms/mapfiles/rhn/geobase_rhn.mapversion=1.1.1service=WMSrequest=Getmaplayer=HYDRO_AGGREGATformat=image/pngSTYLE=defaultlayers=GEOBASE_RHN_NHN; [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Land_Information_Ontario#Data_Access_-_WMS_Layers You'll have to dig... i'm not exactly sure where the river WMS is.. but i do remember seeing it. The Ontario servers are considerably slower than NRCan, so you'll need to be patient :) You might want to try using Merkaartor, as it can handle WMS layers alot better. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merkaartor Cheers, Sam P.S. great to hear from another Ibycus Topo user :) One of my projects is to make a better version of it, now that more data is available. I don't know if Dale Atkin is planning on doing the same at some point. --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap The Common Map channel (an open chat room) On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: Interesting. I wonder if it's an artefact left over after the NAD27-NAD83 conversion. --Gordon -Original Message- From: Bob Dustan bob.dus...@gmail.com Sender: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:30:45 To: talk-catalk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Map Error Hi, I was importing CanVec data for 031E07 and noticed what appears to be an error in the map. A section of the Oxtongue River seems to be repeated nearby in 031E06. In OSM you can see it at: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=45.317mlon=-79.0zoom=15layers=M If you use JOSM or Merkaator to view this area and enable the NRCan WMS, you'll see that the error is also in the WMS version of the map. The error also appears in The Atlas of Canada (Toporama) web site at: http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/topo/map?layers=nodata_ntdb_50k%20north_arrow%20other_features%20million_grid%20t50k_grid%20grid_50k_3%20roads%20hydrography%20boundary%20builtup%20vegetation%20populated_places%20railway%20power_network%20manmade_features%20designated_areas%20water_features%20water_saturated_soils%20relief%20contours%20toponymy%20contourscale=140.00mapxy=1281552.5697346777%20-273673.4692181579map_layer[northarrow]_class[0]_style[0]=ANGLE%20-14.587661326428645mapsize=750%20666urlappend= The error also appears in the Ibycus map. Also, if you look north along the boundary between these 2 map sections, you will see other discrepancies. I have topo maps of the area that I bought at least 10 years ago. They appear to be scans of paper maps. When I line up the 2 map sections, everything lines up (roads, rivers, elevation lines, etc.). It seems to me that some errors (albeit fairly minor) were introduced in the digital form of the map. Then the errors were propagated to CanVec. Is there a way to get the map corrected? Bob ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Introducing Taginfo
Hi, I'm looking to match about 700 features, so 2,000 should be enough to account for the variable tagging. I guess it could be run again, for 5,000 primary key/value pairs to get a better sample of the planets feature tagging system. cheers, sam On 10/24/10, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Scott Crosby wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 04:46:26PM +0200, Pieren wrote: If I could have one request, it would be nice to see the amount of different contributors using the same tag. This to distinguish between quantity and popularity. I know it might be challenging since we should only count the user of the tag creation in the element history... On http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys there is a 'users' column. But this doesn't look at the history, only the current use. It gives you still some idea, but its not perfect. But reading the history is not an option at the moment, because this would need far more resources. The number of users is also taking into account when creating the tag cloud for the home page. This way some tags from imports which are very common in the database but have a small user count are downgraded. :-) Jochen Is it planned to have users count for the individual key pages? It can be interesting to see how popular common_key=some_exotic_value really is. Sometimes it is used frequently, but by a single mapper only. Users are counted for keys only and not for key=value combinations, because there are just too many key=value combinations and too many users to do this counting efficiently. At least I haven't come up with an idea how to do this. maybe somebody else can. Currently for every key I create a hash with all users in it, that use this key. When I am through all the tags, I count how many elements there are in each hash and thats the number of users for this key. This is rather inefficient and could probably be improved using some clever hashing for the price of some inaccuracies (which don't matter too much in this case, all we really want to know is roughly how many users there are). Very nice work you have and a very neat tool you wrote. I have an idea that might help with these counts. Bloom filters. For instance, a few months ago, I did a test where I counted the frequency of different various values for each key across a whole planet in only a few tens of megabytes of RAM. I used a hash table for counting, but when there were too many distinct values for a key (1000), I switched to a bloom filter of 100 bits and could only report the number of distinct values for that key. If there were 50 distinct values, I just reported 50. Something similar might work in other areas of your design. I think it could solve this: But even when this is done in a more efficient manner, we can't to that for 50 million different key=value combinations. We might be able to do it for the more popular combinations, after all if a key=value combination only appears twice in the whole database, it doesn't really matter if that was from one or two users. in about 8gb of RAM. Have a smallish bloom filter, say, 64 bits for each of the 50m distinct tags. Store the user that uses that tag in the bloom filter. You'll need 50m of them (only 400mb), plus the hash table from tag to bloom. Then, figure out which bloom filters have only one bit set. Those tag pairs have, with high probability, only been written by one user. In a second pass, figure out which user was responsible for causing that bit to be set. The hash table from tags to bloom filters will require more memory than the filters themselves, but you could cheat. Have an array of 512 million 64-bit bloom filters. Use hashing to map from a tag to the index of the bloom filter in that array and ignore the chances of collisions. To detect accidental collisions between where two tags map to the same bloom filter, or two users map to the same index in the bloom filter, use a keyed hash function and repeat the above a 3-5 times with different keys. Use the minimum value across the different passes. I have been very reluctant to do anything that gives me results that are not 100% accurate. But I see that this might be too much to ask for with the kind of ressources we have. There are some interesting ideas here. In this case the bloom filter could give me exactly the needed answer, namely whether there are lots of users using a tag or only a few. I already have the hash table from tag to some structure that I use to count several things, so I only need the bloom filter. But the bloom filter would have to be bigger than 64 bits, wouldn't it? User IDs are
[OSM-talk] JOSM shp file plugin
Hi, Seeing as how Potlatch2 now has the super powers ability to load the basic geometry (not attributes) of shp files, when providing the url to the .shp .prj (and frieds) I'm wondering if it is in the works to have a JOSM plugin where it can automatically convert shp files (ie. run shp-to-osm.jar in the background), Apologies for sending to this list, as im not on the josm-dev list. Perhaps Merkaarator can/will be able to handle this? Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM shp file plugin
Thanks Chris, I'll choose your answer :-) I know that last time i attempted to play with Merkarater it was still a bit buggy, so im sure it's better now :) Great work! cheers, sam p.s BTW, it's on my list to see the map feature default presets, and compare it with the other editors/renderers/datasets to help the developers get them all in-sync. On 10/20/10, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: Perhaps Merkaarator can/will be able to handle this? Merkaartor can open SHP file natively. Regards - Chris - -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Is the RTA making their own fork..
Yup, thats what it looks like, it states http://www.mybikeroute.info/about+My+Bikeroute/default.aspx • To be included in the underlying dataset for an online bike trip-planning facility offered through the Transport Info 131500 website http://www.131500.com.au/maps/cycling And looking at the PDFs, it appears that it would simply be an overlay ontop of their own geo-data. But it's great to see that they are embracing the concept of croudsourcing, to make the city dataset better :) Cheers, Sam On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, interesting. Anyone know any more about it? I doubt they're making a fork - probably just an extra layer that sits on top of google maps? Steve On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:26 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: From the NSW RTA website.. http://www.mybikeroute.info/ ‘My Bikeroute’ is the first step in a NSW Government program to improve the availability of information about bike-riding in the State. In this first, 10-week phase we are asking cyclists to help us map the ‘bikeable’ street network in Greater Sydney – not the bike lanes, shared paths or marked bike routes that make up the existing cycleway network, but those links in the local street and path system that are good places to ride, being quieter, more direct, less hilly or simpler to navigate than a busy road. We are also collecting information on bicycle hazards. Maybe they should be encouraged to use existing OSM data, and contribute their data back.. if there werent so many issues with licences, maybe they would? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[OSM-talk] Coraine Land Cover - OSM tags
Hi, Does anyone have a list of all of the tags used for the Coraine Land Cover dataset? Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Potlatch2 and shp files
Hi, Does anyone know if there are plans to ipliment the auto-conversion of shp files to be used in the foreground of the potlatch2 environment? Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging of roads in Vancouver
Hi, Yup, the inconsistency is consistent all across the planet :) It's a consistent battle to be fixing up the wiki so that it gets to a happy medium. I'm currently working on cross-referencing the standard Garmin Map Features with the OSM Wiki Map Features page, and pointing out the inconstancies, and recommending solutions. (Solutions that may or may not be accepted) Sorry it's not the answer your looking for. As thats the nature of OSM The General idea, is that the Wiki 'Should' be the central source for the map features, thats why the new tag info website shows a feed directly what from whatever the wiki page says. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/highway=residential There is still lots of confusion as to what an 'unclassified road' is, for example. In time, these will be fixed. My best recommendation is to be tagging the same in the are our working on, and contact those users directly as to what their interpretation of the tagging is. If the source was from CanVec or GeoBase, keep in mind that the original data is old, so it might not reflect the real-world, especially in a fast-pace changing area like Vancouver. Cheers, Sam On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I’ve been looking at the tagging practices in the lower mainland and the documentation on the wiki. I’m having trouble finding a consistent practice, particularly around residential collectors. Is there a consistent practice? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo
Awesome... I guess im a sucker for the manual work :) Anyway, that answers it. So my focus is on helping the wiki editors with making the documentation awesome. I'll be able to run through the map features page and copy the latest in a on-way direction so to make sure the wiki is the most current source. I'll just add a column for editor notes, to flag those tags that need some attetion. Overtime, the results of the popularity contest will level off, as more users begin to use the same tags :) cheers, sam On 10/5/10, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:53:30AM -0700, Sam Vekemans wrote: Are you getting a live feed from the wiki (for the tag descriptions)? or do you manually copy it in to your database? No manual work involved. That would be way too much work. I wrote a program that finds and parses all relevant wiki pages and extracts the information from them. Its not a live feed, but it can be run, for instance, each night. my spreadsheet has fields for links to sample pictures and sample renderings which could be possable to run a macro to get the latest update from it? You could use the Taginfo downloads or the API to access the information that I have gathered and put it into your spreadsheet. I haven't documented the API or database format yet, but once thats done, it should be easy to access the data I have and do something with it. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wiki Key/Value template
Hi, In the wiki template box for the key's and values, can we include a field for 'ShortDescription' and another field for 'LongDescription'? This way, the end-user can clearly understand what the funcation of the key/value is. and perhaps have another field for 'WikipediaArticleURL' so then the relevant article can be looked at. There also needs to be another field for 'rendering sample' as on the main map features pagem this exists. It would be great to see all the key/value pages making full use of the templates. cheers, sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ca] SchemaTroll 2.01 - Update - OSM OpenMapFeatures - GoogleDocs chart
Hi talk-ca Canadian Mappers, Just sending this out https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dGZBb3FfWHlhWTVBTGZ5ZV81LVFSMkEhl=en I have now done the legwork of copying the entire Map Features Wiki Page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features So then it becomes more usable and transportable into other things, (i created a PDF file out of it, and included it in the latest zip of SchemaTroll 2.01) Feel free to edit it, and make changes. But ideally, it's best that the main wiki map features page gets updated, as i'd like this to be a one-off copy. And try to stay uptodate with the latest changes of the Wiki chart. I'll get back to this in a few months time, as the Map Feature page will most probably have been updated by then. This is the 1st part of the SchemaTroll 2.01 project http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SchemaTroll_2.01 Where i'm now working on organizing the other map feature sets (Potlatch default feature is next), to make clear spreadsheets which list the same column names, so it gets easy to figure out which OSM Tags to use. It's a good think that CanVec is already done, as this helps the process :) Cheers, Sam --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap The Common Map channel (an open chat room) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)
wikia.com is an example of a wiki fork project. and it looks to be doing fine :) I like it as it hosts my acrosscanadatrails.wikia.com website. Its outside of wikipeda, and it's facebook integrated. wikimapia is also a fork project, and it's doing great. It has a function and surves a purpose. and as Brendan mentioned. The 'Average User will always be the average user' :) so it's up to us to make a great place for people to have something that keeps people interested, and serves a function. The entire Geospatial-everything Community as a whole is BIG and there certainly is room for many maps, of many kinds. ... and they all are good, and they all serve their unique purpose. cheers, sam On 10/2/10, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/02/2010 02:45 AM, Dave F. wrote: With the various forks that could/are taking place within OSM I'm curious if there are any other examples? Wikipedia has a catalogue of forks, unfortunately mixed with mirrors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks (I particularly like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/Mno#The_Mcfly _Network.) There *must* have been some forking action when Wikipedia changed their license from GFDL to CC-BY-SA I'm sure but I cannot find documentation on that. No fork that I know of due to license change, at least nothing serious that I heard about. In 2002, the Spanish Wikipedia forked and people went to the other project. The fork had to do with differences of project policies not license, the fork died few years later. Spanish Wikipedia grew more slowly as a result There's also citizendium, not really a fork at all but different and unsuccessful way of having articles reviewed and vetted. There is some debate about licenses among some of our more prolific and talented photographers. The GFDL license gives photographers more opportunity to make some $$ from their works as some book publishers rather not adhere to GFDL and don't mind paying for use of a good photograph found on Wikipedia. Katie Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Urgent need to contact someone at Cloudmade
hi, On the cloudmade.com website, 2 phone numbers are listed. (US UK) I would try calling during regular office hours in the time zone of the closest office. cheers, sam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Using a dedicated API to host imports only
Hi, Does anyone know if or when the OSMF would adopt a policy to use a dedicated API that could be used as a dedicated data storage warehouse. So then a copy of the latest available data (from the source national/regional/local) government data, can be stored in it it. This way, the api data layer can be rendered as a mapnik layer, so then people can choose to eithor trace directly from it, or download .osm file from a small area and manually copy what they like into the main osm api. Ideally, this imports API would need to allow people to directly inject the database with data (all CCBY) and list the attribution source). and smaller changes could also be permitted. (but telling people that the licence of this api is different) Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: CanVec import troubles
Hi, Also, because each tile is slowly being dropped in, it's easy to use the filter tool for when selecting what data to import. So a quick filter for 'natural=peak' would find them all, and add them in. I don't see a rush for it either :) November to start the next round? Cool. So will this be a Diff (smaller set of the changes), stored in a different folder in the ftp site? or will it replace what is currently stored? Great work! Cheers, Sam On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:36:15 -0400, Bégin, Daniel daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca wrote: Hi all, The problem behing these missing tags was corrected a month ago (problem of missing peaks). I can reprocess your area or you can wait for the next release in november. What would you prefer? I'm in no rush for the Manitoba stuff as there is plenty to import in the lower half of the province where the problem has not made itself apparent. Thanks, Tyler -- Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?
fyi, thats the way we are dealing with the CanVec data for Canada, not data is blindly dropped in, it's simply carefully merged and added where its needed. So the overall map is exactly what osm- ccbysa/odbl map is looking for. It's not that hard to convert any data into small sized .osm files for people to use. In fact, i am creating a dataset spreadsheet (osm imports map) which lists the locations of the source data, and where to find the ready .osm files. :) OSM is not designed to work with external datasets. There is no need to force it, as that is a different type of map project, with different objectives. cheers, sam On 9/29/10, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I *don't* mean that they could do it *automatically*. Distributed version control systems don't do that either, you always need a human to look at the result to see if it's sane. The problem with imports that have to be kept up to date manually is that they rarely *are* kept up to date manually. In any case, I think TIGER was a good import (despite the arguments to the contrary), but that's because the TIGER import was made at a completely different stage of OSM development. If you wanted to import a road network today, it'd be a whole different story. The import itself would be a merge. Imports today basically fall into the category of being a merge with existing data, or being an import of data which mappers aren't likely to be interested in maintaining (and therefore shouldn't be imported at all). In the former case, either you've got the sync tools already in place at the time you make the import, or the import is manual from the start. If an import is done manually, I don't even think it really counts as an import for the purposes of this discussion. It should be treated like any other editing. Don't violate copyrights, don't import things which aren't verifiable, don't step on other people's tagging schemas, but other than that do as you please. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec Contour Lines
hi, would you be able to share the python script? I dont think it would be that hard to do, afterall, Dale (Ibycus) was able to convert the data from shp files). So i think it's a matter of just setting the script to convert and add tags which would line up with mkgmap. osm's equivelent would be 'contour=minor' contour=major' etc. I have the whole list if anyone wants it. i can add it to do list :) although i dont know pythons innerds, i do know how to run the script on the command line :) cheers, sam On 9/29/10, Bégin, Daniel daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca wrote: Hi Michael, I understand your need and I did some tests. On average, adding contours means twice the amount of disk space/processing time, generates up to 10 times more .osm files. I'll keep the process as it is now. Daniel -Original Message- From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of G. Michael Carter Sent: September 27, 2010 17:26 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] CanVec Contour Lines Would it be possible to get the Contour Lines as OSM files? I import them into my GPS from the shp files. Just though it would be nice to have without the manual conversion step I do. If not, no big deal. Just thought I'd ask. Michael ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec Contour Lines
actually, to think of it. A simple rules.txt file can be made with using shp-to-osm.jar I think it's just a matter of getting the tags right, and the custom .typ file set. so it shouldn't be that hard to get it done manually :) cheers, sam On 9/29/10, Bégin, Daniel daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca wrote: Hi Michael, Sam It could have been in separated files. However, it is too expensive regarding available resources. I'm using fme workbenches so, I don't have any python script to publish. Daniel -Original Message- From: G. Michael Carter [mailto:mikeycarter1...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of G. Michael Carter Sent: September 29, 2010 11:56 To: Bégin, Daniel Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec Contour Lines Wasn't sure if I came across right. I was thinking as separate files. Contour lines are not in the OSM, told they will never in there, at one point. Michael On 29/09/10 11:48 AM, Bégin, Daniel wrote: Hi Michael, I understand your need and I did some tests. On average, adding contours means twice the amount of disk space/processing time, generates up to 10 times more .osm files. I'll keep the process as it is now. Daniel -Original Message- From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of G. Michael Carter Sent: September 27, 2010 17:26 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] CanVec Contour Lines Would it be possible to get the Contour Lines as OSM files? I import them into my GPS from the shp files. Just though it would be nice to have without the manual conversion step I do. If not, no big deal. Just thought I'd ask. Michael ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-talk] Map Feature Samples
Hi all, I'm creating a list of all of the existing map features, and looking for a nice example (node/way/area/relation) of every feature. I could pick one myself, but i figured i'd ask for help. I have a googledocs spreadsheet just about ready for it to be remotly added. A good exable of each, that most likely wont change any time soon, would be most helpfull. Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] Sinking islands...
try using the Bing maps version of osm, i think it renders faster. Its a handy way to check, i also use the Marble Desktop, as it renders pritty fast also. cheers, sam On 9/23/10, G. Michael Carter mi...@carterfamily.ca wrote: I was importing data in the Georgian Bay area and I noticed something. If an island is natural=land it renders in mapnik as white, regardless of the outer multipolygon. if you have natrual=wood or possibly others, it sinks if it's not role=inner. This is at least what I've observed so far. It's rather hard to figure out when the mapnik tiles get cached and don't refresh in a timely fashion. :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa - OpenData - Map Feature Catelogue
I'm asking as the data will 'eventually' be available, it already is ok to use for other OpenMaps projects, and it's available for Garmin Devices already. Just needs to be converted. ... and tags need to be matched up :) If knowone has seen, or gone through the catelogue to match up the features, that's no prob, i'll do that myself :) Cheers, Sam P.S. Ya, I just find it funny about the cyclists. .. here in Victoria, the proprietary map company Davenport Maps Ltd http://www.gvcc.bc.ca/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=46Itemid=11 and so, they are not to excited about a competition map being created that would potentially cut-out from the revenue that these maps generate, which gets put back to the Organization. Fortunately however, the city of Nanaimo has their data for bicycle infrastructure available, so it's easy to convert it to OSM format, and convert to GPX and use it as an overlay and to include the cycleway=lane tag, then convert it to garmin map as an overlay. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:01 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not certain what the point would be if the licensing doesn't line up. What would be nice would be if some one could take one or two of the data sets, flip it into OSM format and email it to me. That way I can merge it with a copy of the cities OSM data on a USB stick and show a couple of local politicians that it's doable and the advantages of it rather than having a different interface and app for looking for drinking fountains or park benches. They seem to respond better to pretty pictures rather than words. Gossip wise there was a presentation last night at city hall I found out about three hours before hand. It was about Velo-City Global 2010 Conference in Europe attended by Gatineau, Ottawa and NCC to look at cycle lanes etc and to see if we could emulate them. Apparently the city had 384 kms of cycle lanes three years ago when they printed their map they have since added another 200 kms that don't appear on their printed mae. Also it was mentioned that there isn't one map that shows Gatineau's, Ottawa's and NCC's cycle paths / lanes etc together. The audience was mainly cyclists at least one of whom was after maps for their GARMIN devices. Perfect fit for OSM and so I made a small pitch as a comment. Hopefully we should at least get some additional contributors. Cheerio John On 22 September 2010 17:44, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, Just wondering if anyone has gone through the 'available' data from the catelogue and matched up the features to it's coorisponding osm tag, and made it in chart form. Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [talk-au] OSM alternatives...
hi, Just checking, has anyone gone through the geoscience map features and matched it up with OSM tags? I have the Google Docs chart and am just guessing at what each feature should be represented on a mapnik map as. I can invite anyone in as editors, just ask :) Thanks, Sam On 9/21/10, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't seem likely things are going to be resolved to everyone's liking, in fact there seems to be a new type of service popping up every other week. So to this end I just filed a bug with JOSM asking to get multiple credentials stored and some easy way to switch between them. This is so you don't need to run JOSM under multiple usernames when you are playing with or editing data on various other services that are compatible with the OSM APIs. https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5490 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM alternatives...
Oh :) Here's the link https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dDNEdUpoMDZzSWxXRThGeklDeUtnblEhl=en I'm still working on the others (canvec/tiger/garmin/linz/coraine/Ordnance Survay) on the offline version, since there is so many edits going on. Cheers, Sam On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Just checking, has anyone gone through the geoscience map features and matched it up with OSM tags? I have the Google Docs chart and am just guessing at what each feature should be represented on a mapnik map as. I can invite anyone in as editors, just ask :) Thanks, Sam On 9/21/10, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't seem likely things are going to be resolved to everyone's liking, in fact there seems to be a new type of service popping up every other week. So to this end I just filed a bug with JOSM asking to get multiple credentials stored and some easy way to switch between them. This is so you don't need to run JOSM under multiple usernames when you are playing with or editing data on various other services that are compatible with the OSM APIs. https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5490 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-ca] Ottawa - OpenData - Map Feature Catelogue
hi all, Just wondering if anyone has gone through the 'available' data from the catelogue and matched up the features to it's coorisponding osm tag, and made it in chart form. Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [talk-au] NearMap
Some datasets are ok to use, what the CT fails to mention is the fact that the OSMF can made the decision on weather or not to accept a dataset. Specifically because the humble contributor cannot guarantee that they represent or have the exact 'direct permission' as it could have been just a coffe chat sure you can use it (when the actual dataset copyright holder doesnt fully understand the CT, nor has hired a lawer to answer the question 'officially'. *** You agree to only add Contents for which You are the copyright holder (to the extent the Contents include any copyrightable elements). You represent and warrant that You are legally entitled to grant the licence in Section 2 below and that such licence does not violate any law, breach any contract, or, to the best of Your knowledge, infringe any third party’s rights. If You are not the copyright holder of the Contents, You represent and warrant that You have explicit permission from the rights holder to submit the Contents and grant the licence below. ** However, if the OSMF authorizes a working group who can act on behalf of the Foundation, they can approve of data sets, and directly do the conversion, so then the overall community does not need to be concerned. And just wait for the OSMF to announce that data is available as small .osm files hosted on the osmf server so the community can work at copying the data in. Like many other datasets, we have direct permission to use it. (Someone from NRCan gave direct permission and wants OSM to use the map data) Plus the OSMF voted in favour to use it. (back in 2008) Therefore, this sets a president for all other datasets with a similar license, that if it receives 1 - a positive vote from the OSMF AND 2 - Direct permission (in writing) from someone who can act on behalf the source. Then it's ok to use. (So the actual text of the license doesn't matter when the 1st 2 points are provided). So then a vote can happen for if OSMF wants to retain whatever tainted data they choose to accept. I have already specifically requested the OSMF to have a Imports Working group, so then can look at all of the datasets and vote on each. Thus, fulfilling the requirements of Formal Discussion Required [1] Unfortunately, it seems that the OSMF is not interested in directly ensuring the quality of the database as a 'pure odbl' dataset. The work required to create a new empty dataset, and directly copy in all of the 'Officially supported' data, can be simply crowd-sourced. Tagging can be fixed with the more correct tags, and there will be no duplicate nodes, and no messy imported data, as all datasets will require the OSMF to approve it (and probably should be only the OSMF appointed people to copy in the bulk data directly). This will ensure 100% compliance. (this is an obvious solution, that everyone can be happy with), so those who choose not to accept ODbl can continue and work on another project (outside of OSM) with a minimal interruption for actual mapping for everyone (whatever 'actual' means to the contributors). :) The final planet.osm file will be made available, where users can copy in data that has approval. (and even trace over the old map, (where the non-compliant data is removed kept in another planet.osm file for others to use) The alternate, is that after the changeover, the OSM map will be a tainted dataset with no way to filter out the data. My toonie, Cheers, Sam p.s. here's the chart i mention in the below message. (it's open access editing) https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dERHb1RkcXIwMUU1TDR3NF9NbWQxS3chl=enoutput=html [1] -- Forwarded message -- From: Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:09 AM Subject: imports working group To: board Board bo...@osmfoundation.org Hi, Does OSM Foundation not have an 'Imports Working Group', where this commitee can have the final say in any data that can be used in OpenStreetMap? I am creating a database chart, for just this purpose, and can include a column 'OSM Foundation approved' with a link. This way, there will be no question on if a dataset is Ok ... regardless of the licence... the OSMF has the power to make a decision on the datasets. since OSMF owns the api and main servers. Unlike small-time contributor edits .. bulk data (of any size) should go through the OSMF - imports working group... and pubmit it to the board for an approval vote for each dataset. ... ps. this is why i recommend converting the data to .osm 1st... then let the community look at it an examine it. We did this for CanVec and geobaseNHN and statscan... and it works just fine. Thanks, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails *** On Wed, Sep 15, 2010
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [Ottawa_users] Meeting reminder - this Thursday, Fox and Feather
FYI, for those in the Ottawa area. You might not be on the osgeo mailing list, but there is interest in OpenStreetMap, so it would be great to share ideas. Ideally, a solution is to work towards converting source data into xml/osm format, and making the data simply 'available', so then those want to mix data with other projects are welcome to. Once geo-data is stored in a standard format, more applications can use it. ie. Garmin Map, Maperative. cheers, sam ps. just contact Scott if your planning on attending. -- Forwarded message -- From: Scott Mitchell smi...@me.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Ottawa_users] Meeting reminder - this Thursday, Fox and Feather To: Ottawa Chapter OSGEO ottawa_us...@lists.osgeo.org A quick reminder that our next meeting is this Thursday, the 16th, starting at 6. Reservation at our usual venue (Fox and Feather pub) is confirmed, and they say they'll give us one of the small rooms. Lately this has sometimes meant they switch us to a different small room, so if you don't find the group easily, just ask the staff where the OSGEO reservation is (they also have my name on the reservation). I'm hoping that some of you that went to Barcelona can tell us all about the FOSS4G conference. The other main thing to cover is succession planning - I need someone to take over my spot as co-Chair of the group. Really, it's not that hard! I just have too many scheduling conflicts this year to be able to keep it up. Thanks, Scott Mitchell ___ Ottawa_users mailing list ottawa_us...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa_users -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [talk-au] Geoscience Austrailia - international tagging standards
Thanks, The Aboriginal Lands data is an interesting dataset, because in Canada's CanVec data it's only available as points, but through a separate arm of The federal government, the polygon data is available throuh geobase, just as the National protected areas are available in a separate dataset ... Canada Post has postcode boundaries and Statistics Canada has admin boundaries. Does Australia have a similar situation? If so, can someone provide links to locations of other datasets? Thanks, Sam p.s. im sending this to the outer osgeo mailing list, as my project is looking at all geo data, not necessarly data that will be used for OpenStreetMap On 9/12/10, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Sam, Here is a tagging scheme that may match one the themes that includes protected areas, such as for national-parks, water protection areas or indigenous areas or etc.: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area Also here is a link to the map features page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Regards, Markus_g -Original Message- From: talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Sam Vekemans Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2010 2:19 PM To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org; OSM Australian Talk List Subject: [talk-au] Geoscience Austrailia - international tagging standards Hi all, I am currently (just about done) going through the Geoscience Austrailia pdf user guide, which lists all of the map features for in the 'Geodata Topo 250k Series 3 User Guide' There are about 159 unique map features, divided into 10 themes. Whats interesting is to compare these features with the Natural Resources Canada CanVec dataset (which is also at 250k scale). There are many similarities (some differnces) in the datasets. I am developing a Universal tagging Schema (I call 'SchemaTroll 2.01') where it can look at the map features from Datasets around the world (including the Garmin defaults) and cross-reference it with the 'free-tagging system' of OpenStreetMap. So i am wondering if anyone has aldready examined these 159 features and selected an appropriate estimated equivelent to OpenStreetMap tags. Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails WikiMAP Books. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Geoscience Austrailia - international tagging standards
Cool, thanks. It's alot of info to go through, so i stared this message, to get back to this list once i have the master documen complete (to the point where i no longer need to be the one to maintain it it, since it will be freely open to the public.) ... i would make the database available now, its just that it's still in beta so many changes are happening to it I'll contact geoscience Austrailia Directly for more details. Thanks, Sam On 9/12/10, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Sam, You might find this site interesting. Found it yesterday. I am interested in adding mine locations for Australia to osm using the data from the Geoscience Australian Atlas. http://www.infomine.com/maps/ Note not all data sources would be suitable for osm use. Regards, Markus_g -Original Message- From: samvekem...@gmail.com [mailto:samvekem...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sam Vekemans Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2010 6:07 PM To: Markus Cc: aust...@lists.osgeo.org; OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Geoscience Austrailia - international tagging standards Thanks, The Aboriginal Lands data is an interesting dataset, because in Canada's CanVec data it's only available as points, but through a separate arm of The federal government, the polygon data is available throuh geobase, just as the National protected areas are available in a separate dataset ... Canada Post has postcode boundaries and Statistics Canada has admin boundaries. Does Australia have a similar situation? If so, can someone provide links to locations of other datasets? Thanks, Sam p.s. im sending this to the outer osgeo mailing list, as my project is looking at all geo data, not necessarly data that will be used for OpenStreetMap On 9/12/10, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Sam, Here is a tagging scheme that may match one the themes that includes protected areas, such as for national-parks, water protection areas or indigenous areas or etc.: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area Also here is a link to the map features page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Regards, Markus_g -Original Message- From: talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Sam Vekemans Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2010 2:19 PM To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org; OSM Australian Talk List Subject: [talk-au] Geoscience Austrailia - international tagging standards Hi all, I am currently (just about done) going through the Geoscience Austrailia pdf user guide, which lists all of the map features for in the 'Geodata Topo 250k Series 3 User Guide' There are about 159 unique map features, divided into 10 themes. Whats interesting is to compare these features with the Natural Resources Canada CanVec dataset (which is also at 250k scale). There are many similarities (some differnces) in the datasets. I am developing a Universal tagging Schema (I call 'SchemaTroll 2.01') where it can look at the map features from Datasets around the world (including the Garmin defaults) and cross-reference it with the 'free-tagging system' of OpenStreetMap. So i am wondering if anyone has aldready examined these 159 features and selected an appropriate estimated equivelent to OpenStreetMap tags. Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails WikiMAP Books. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-ca] Random nodes after canVec import
hi, The Manitoba Data is a live dataset that is continiously being updated, just like canvec, so it isn't a one-time import. You might also want to message legal talk and the imports list about it. Also, the imports page requests to make samples available for review. (knowone really knows what 'formal discussion required' actually means... lol. I dont know if it's compatable with Odbl, since changes are not given back. :) why does some datasets require strict approval, yet others are 'in significant'? Why should size of the database matter? What map features are available from this dataset? cheers, sam ps. knowone has blocked it... so go for it :-) On 9/12/10, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:59:12 -0400, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: Btw yes manitoba lands data is fine as their license is compatible. Please add the details for the Manitoba Lands Data and license to the import catalogue. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue I've added an entry in the one time import section. Thanks, Tyler ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Tagging] trees and waterways
Hi, For the Canada canvec dataset, the map feature is available, and direction of the way was not taken into account. So the tag 'oneway=yes' was not used as a preset. However, for those who are interested in making the waterflow correct (and render an arrow). In Canada we do have geobase National Hydrography set that shows that tag (the data has been converted into osm format and is available). And for the rest of the world, by looking at the contour lines on the cyclemap (or created from groundtruth contours) you can extrapolate what direction the water flows and add the oneway tag to confirm this. cheers, sam On 9/11/10, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:45:04 -0400 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com wrote: ... Perhaps have you a proposition. But for my part, it seems natural to use the natural flow of the way has the natural flow of the river. It may be natural once one knows that you're supposed to represent the direction. But I've come across many waterways that were mapped without regard for the direction. Three examples, mapped by three different people: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71760642 Eight Mile Canal: flows west into the St. Johns River http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44644481 Canal L-406: flows south into Canal L-405 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/7044872 Venetian Canal: flows north into Lake Maitland (I believe) You could add rivers I have mapped to that list (Murray, Darling, Murrumbidgee, Lachlan) although I think the directions may have been edited. At places you would find that the rivers I did were made of segments which go in different directions because I had no care for the direction ___ Tagging mailing list tagg...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] layers in OSM?
hi, the ArcGIS osm editor can handle layers, and from what i heard (wiki page review) that is works well. IMO generally, osm works as a flat sheet of paper, were people of all skill levels can work on the map at the same time. So having osm like a complex arcgis editor, makes it harder for the general users to use, even josm is very difficult for the standard users. So the simpler the better, AFAIK I agree, having a standard set of key/value pairs across all eis/renders would help everyone, including a predefined list in the filter box. Which is why im working on that effort, i'll include getting a top 50 or so set of tags that are most popular and could be used for the filter presets. cheers, sam On 9/4/10, Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: yes, but it get's even harder when the information is split over several layers and you do edits without even seeing the data, because it is on a different layer. How could you maintain integrity and topology? I think it could be harder or it could be easier depending on how it's done. If you allowed ways on different layers to share nodes then it would be quite possible to edit an object on one layer and modify an object on another by accident. Not good. For this reason I would want layers to be completely separate. As long as they are separate and represent different types of objects that don't need to be connected then I don't really see any problems. But if the community at large has decided against layers in the past I'm interested to hear why. Zeke -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] really old planet.osm file
hi, does anyone have a really old planet.osm file (from the 1st year of existance)? I want to compare what the top tags that where used in the database, compared to the current top tags used. thanks, sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] really old planet.osm file
cool, thanks :) now i can do an objective analysis of year over year comparison of the tagging wars 5 episode popularity contest. cheers, sam On 9/5/10, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: hi, does anyone have a really old planet.osm file (from the 1st year of existance)? I want to compare what the top tags that where used in the database, compared to the current top tags used. Looks like these only exist back to April 2006 and that regular creation of planets started in August 2006. http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ [ ] planet-060403-fromARobinson.osm.7z26-Jun-2007 16:59 8.9M [ ] planet-060501-FromLA2.osm.bz2 01-May-2006 21:51 13M [ ] planet-060703-fromJBurgess.osm.bz203-Jul-2006 00:00 19M [ ] planet-060814-fromLA2.osm.bz2 13-Aug-2006 22:39 221M [ ] planet-060818.osm.bz2 18-Aug-2006 02:39 227M [ ] planet-060827.osm.bz2 27-Aug-2006 03:43 230M [ ] planet-060903.osm.bz2 03-Sep-2006 03:59 241M The wiki seems to agree. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet; http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet But if anybody has an earlier planet saved privately perhaps they'll let you know. -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMDoc is awesome!
hi Peter, It will be great to see your resaults, then i can compare them with the current tagging system used by CanVec/Tiger/linz/garmin/mapnik/cyclemap/josm/potlatch/mapzen/merkaartor and others. I found that many tags are 'primary tag dependent', meaning that using the tag alone on a node/way/area does not directly produce a map feature. ie. 'access=*' and 'surface=*' .. and 'name=*user_defined' all require something else to make a map feature. In the example you need 'highway=*' to make any of the 3 do something.' So these tags can be grouped into a category and numbered in a easily understandable TagID# I'm still working on this idea, the temporary name is 'Schematroll 2.01' :-) Cheers, Sam On 9/3/10, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 01.09.2010 15:15, schrieb Lars Francke: The database schema is pretty easy though so if anyone has data laying around this is what I would need: tag_keys: id integer, total_count integer, changeset_count integer, node_count integer, relation_count integer, way_count integer, name character varying(255), value_count integer tag_values: id integer, total_count integer, changeset_count integer, node_count integer, relation_count integer, way_count integer, name character varying(255), key_id integer There's one thing I've been missing: the changeset_count. How do you calculate it? Is it the number of distinct changesets that have used this tag resp. tag/calue combination? I'd then implement it using another two tables changeset_keys: changeset integer, key_id integer changeset_values: changeset integer, key_id integer, value_id integer to check if a specific key / value is already used in a changeset and not incrementing changeset_count then. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-ca] Merging huge wooded areas?
over-complicating :) the 'wooded area' doesnt actually mean that much other than stating 'Hey, there is trees over there' Once the national/regional/local parks are listed, along with the admin boundaries (something better than stats can) and the property boundaries get listed. ... and rivers are added then this 'hey look, trees' area has meaning, so then local municipalities can make decidions on where to expand new parks. farmland owners who own 'wooded area' could 'sub-lease a part of the land as a regional park, and become the park maintainer. ... the same is done with windfarm co-op shared ownership. . anyway, osm needs the map data that cant be found on any other map :) cheers, sam On 9/2/10, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: Okay, so how is everyone handling huge wooded areas? Take the massive green blob here for an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.599lon=-101.054zoom=10layers=M It literally spans over an entire NTS tile (062N*). I tried (as much as possible) to ensure all outer/inner members of the wooded area are part of a single relation, but in retrospect that wasn't the right approach as you can still see the lines between the NTS sub-tiles. So I'm thinking in this situation what I really need to do (once the entire extent of this wooded area has been imported) is download the entire area accompanied by the woods, and use the JOIN command in JOSM to merge the smaller wooded areas into one big massive one. The end result would be one HUGE way that traces the entire outside of the wooded area. All of the inside divisions between the tiles would be eliminated, and the end result would be a huge outer way and lots of inner ways. I could then just split up the huge outer way as necessary to make sure no one part of the way is longer than 2000 nodes. Does this sound reasonable? Or am I over-complicating it? Thanks! Tyler -- -- Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba Garmin Map - Daily
I'll take 2 please, with a side order of MapSource installer togo :) cheers, sam ps. The manitoba trails association has a student who is currently 'inventoring' the recreational trail going through the province so perhaps more trail data is available from the province (than what exists in cavec) if anyone wants a list of what tiles cover this route, i have a gpx file if anyone wants. thanks, sam On 8/31/10, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: If anyone out there is mapping in MB and wants to keep up to date with the absolute latest state of the MB map, I'm generating garmin maps of MB on a daily basis (all scripted, so no I'm not doing it manually). If you're interested, drop me a line and I can send you a link so you can keep up to date. Tyler ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
