On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Medic wrote:
...
> Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched
> glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one
> of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in
> a land war i
Pretty much ;-) Red Foreman had it right hehehe.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:20 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
Yea, I realize
Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
> Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
>
>
> Here is a novel idea. How about if the
It may have been before the phrase was coined, but he sure sounds like
one...
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:09 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In
: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:11 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
If what you said was applicable on a Nationwide level, the realities of the
figures for employment, poverty, discrimination,leadership in the corporate
radical in any direction.
Your final statement (starting with "I know two types of white people")
doesn't even make sense.
-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:11 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tap
Assumption made on facts not in evidence. There has been no increase
in discrimination in programs where affirmative action is not
enforced.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> You can't just do that because without something to enforce
> non-discrimination, people will d
Nope. The Dixiecrats were active in the election of 1948. A few
Democrats, notably Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms left the Democratic
party for the Republican party in the 60s, but that had nothing to do
with the Dixiecrats, and neither did Woodrow Wilson, who was dead long
before anyone even co
You can't just do that because without something to enforce
non-discrimination, people will discriminate.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:42 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherr
: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
"A list of successful blacks is actually indicative that the problems caused
by prejudice and racism have not been solved to the point where they can now
be ignored."
In your eyes it may show
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:30 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
"How do you determine your ethnicity? When the census
"Prejudice still exists (hell, the shit I hear come out of my
brother-in-law's mouth embarrasses and frightens me sometimes), but,
admittedly as a white male, would like to think it is better than it was
20-30 years ago."
No doubt. Look at King Samir Shabbaz.
"Dude.."
Dude
"If out of a
I think it may be more accurate to say prejudice is not as big of a
barrier as it used to be.
Prejudice still exists (hell, the shit I hear come out of my
brother-in-law's mouth embarrasses and frightens me sometimes), but,
admittedly as a white male, would like to think it is better than it
was
Sam:
It's too bad you're such a hater. You could be an asset to the list.
Larry:
Sam I just hate your ignorance, intolerance, your style of argument
(ie., if someone disagrees and you cannot adequately respond launch
personal attacks).
Too funny ;)
~
We were having a nice discussion until you had to make it personal and
accused everyone that didn't hold your viewpoint as angry attack dogs.
I'm just saying when you stop seeing us as enemies and realize we're
allowed to hold different views the discussions stay civil.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at
sed
>>> oppression of minorities in our collective face constantly. If there were
>>> any truth to that idea we would be following news about Hillary Clinton's
>>> presidency.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: trish simon [mailto:
Did you just say being black was a handicap?
As I've stated before, remove the negatives like parents attitude
towards education and they there are no differences in achievements.
That's not say prejudice doesn't exist, it just isn't a barrier to
success like it used to be.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010
If what you said was applicable on a Nationwide level, the realities of the
figures for employment, poverty, discrimination,leadership in the corporate
sector, business ownership etc. would be very different.
It is very easy to use anecdotes to attempt to portray those Blacks who do
not achieve a
ollective face constantly. If there were
>> any truth to that idea we would be following news about Hillary Clinton's
>> presidency.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: trish simon [mailto:trishsimo...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:56 AM
&g
Sam I just hate your ignorance, intolerance, your style of argument
(ie., if someone disagrees and you cannot adequately respond launch
personal attacks).
Its amazing how someone like you can be so intelligent and so stupid
at the same time. Tell me does your head explode on a regular basis
from
ession of minorities in our collective face constantly. If there were any
> truth to that idea we would be following news about Hillary Clinton's
> presidency.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: trish simon [mailto:trishsimo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July
I remember as a child having a discussion about skin color with the
children of several of the musicians in my Dad's band. We decided
they were darker cause God left them in the oven longer. Kids are
wonderfully unbiased until taught otherwise.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
My five year old daughter just says my friends. I never knew the
ethnicity of any of the kids until I met them. Funny thing is that
she's the only blonde blue-eyed kid in the lot.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:
>
> My daughters refer to their friends as "..the one wit
Dude..
If out of a population of 10,000 you have 100 wheel-chair bound men who
excel...
can you argue that men in wheel-chairs have it easy now and there is no need
for special handicap treatment?
The facts show that it is MUCH HARDER to achieve even mediocrity, far less
excel as a black person
Wow, that's sad. Categorizing people based on color?
Don't they have names?
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:
>
> My daughters refer to their friends as "..the one with blond hair, the
> one with brown skin, the one with tan skin, the one with black hair,
> the one with
ency.
-Original Message-
From: trish simon [mailto:trishsimo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:56 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks
Her Foot In Her Mouth.
Racism...LOL...how many emails on this one subjec
Word. My daughter, thus far, just refers to everyone by name. I assume
that ethnicity will come up at some point since there are several
different ethnicities on our block but at this point it is all Jeff,
Tamara, Zeomara, Simon, Linda, etc. I like that.
Judah
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Za
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> How about Sumo Wrestling.
That might tend to favor big guys like myself. :D
--
Scott Stroz
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wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris
http://xkc
It's too bad you're such a hater. You could be an asset to the list.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Unfortunately trish all the right wingers on the list now have you in
> their sights.
>
> Generally I agree with you, but that said, I have no problems
> discussing my
So what's Sharrod after? Another huge lawsuit payout?
"I think they should but they won't. They intended exactly what they
did. "They were looking for the result they got yesterday," Sherrod
said of Fox. "I am just a pawn. I was just here. They are after a
bigger thing, they would love to take us
My daughters refer to their friends as "..the one with blond hair, the
one with brown skin, the one with tan skin, the one with black hair,
the one with the green eyes"...as if skin color were nothing more or
less different that hair color or eye color. They're not Black,
Asian, Mexican or any of
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "How do you determine your ethnicity? When the census form comes to you, how
> do you go about figuring out what to put down?"
>
> Exactly. You make my point for me. Poverty is much easier to define and
> check.
That is rather disingenuou
"It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc based on
how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a job based on
their skin color."
Bravo.
I'd better clarify or people will get the wrong idea. Remember that I have
said if you have to have affirmative action,
"Here is a novel idea. How about if the job, college admission, etc go to
the most qualified candidates - PERIOD."
Bravo
"It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc based on
how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a job based on
their skin color."
Bravo.
" Things have become so partisan and politically motivated that we don't
care what the facts are. "
Yep. On the other story you mention, why would anyone threaten to withdraw
money from a charity over politics. It is ridiculous.
"The administration seems that it was trying to cut losses asa
Here is a novel idea. How about if the job, college admission, etc go
to the most qualified candidates - PERIOD.
It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc
based on how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a
job based on their skin color.
I think that if al
Unfortunately trish all the right wingers on the list now have you in
their sights.
Generally I agree with you, but that said, I have no problems
discussing my views on the topic with any black person, or other
minority for that matter. When I was in BC for my cousin's funeral
last June, I did ha
"A list of successful blacks is actually indicative that the problems caused
by prejudice and racism have not been solved to the point where they can now
be ignored."
In your eyes it may show that.
To me, it points out the hypocrisy of saying someone is going to be poor or
not successful because
Remember when real numbers meant nothing and percentages meant everything?
Blacks make up 12% of the population. That's 37 million out of 300 million.
Do you realize how hard it is for anyone to live in Chris Rock's neighborhood?
Look at the workplace, I usually see at least 12% of my co-workers
This is actually the thing I'm most disgusted with. Things have
become so partisan and politically motivated that we don't care what
the facts are. The administration seems that it was trying to cut
losses asap. Fox News seems that it was trying to pander to it's
readership. Breitbart seems to
What are you trying to say?
NAACP did no wrong?
The White House has a black leader and they forced her to retire.
The NAACP had the full video all along and still condemned her.
Why do they have to try so hard to make us look racist?
Is it because the real issues they're forcing on is suck and the
1. Chris Rock is a comedian, not comedienne (its like actor and actress)
2. I am not sure Chris Rock is one of the best in the world. I would
say he is above average, but far from one of the best in the world.
:D
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> How would a white person unders
"I dare you to have this discussion with a "real" person of color...reality
is not as pretty."
I have this conversation or variation of it frequently. My best friend at
work is Black. My wife's best friend is white but her husband is Black.
We talk about this stuff all of the time.
J
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The
How would a white person understand a non-white's day to day reality?
A list of successful blacks is actually indicative that the problems caused
by prejudice and racism have not been solved to the point where they can now
be ignored.
As Chris Rock says, the guy living next to him is a Doctor. N
Racism...LOL...how many emails on this one subject, and the target
being "Blacks" (one of many minorities in America)? How many poster
who responded to the original subject has apologized for jumping on
the bandwagon to criticize and attack this woman, and the NAACP? How
many posters are outraged
Race is a real issue and the Obama admin will make sure of that.
In this day and age when blacks have achieved so much this admin
spends so much time calling whites racists. That's bringing us back to
a 60's mentality. You call someone an evil name often enough they
might end up not liking you. Th
Not sure I'm getting your point. I think your saying it's a factor
because it's there. My point is the study states very clearly if you
remove the negative factors all races are exactly equal. That tells me
it has nothing to do with race.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
"I imagine that if you're a constitutional originalist race has to be
counted - weren't black slaves counted as 2/3d's a person."
The 3/5 rule never said that a slave was 3/5 of a person. It only said that
3/5 of the population could be counted for representation. While that in
itself still su
"How do you determine your ethnicity? When the census form comes to you, how
do you go about figuring out what to put down?"
Exactly. You make my point for me. Poverty is much easier to define and
check.
"The reasons that programs like affirmative action were put into place
originally aren't g
"I leave it blank. Frankly, my race, sex, gender, color, sexual preference
and a wide variety of other attributes are none of the government's
business. The quickest way to resolve the major issues regarding race or
other forms of discrimination would be for everyone to refuse to answer
those qu
Back to the original story, it seems like Shirley has been apologized to by
several organizations and been offered her job back.
The White House still claims that it had nothing to do with the firing, but
some are disputing this.
J
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from t
It doesn't actually even say slaves. It details who is counted as a
person, who is excluded (Indians not subject to taxation) and then
everyone else is 3/5ths. I found it interesting that those who were
indentured servants were counted as whole persons.
Judah
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Ma
Slaves were counted as 3/5 - nowhere does it say black slaves.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> I imagine that if you're a constitutional originalist race has to be
> counted - weren't black slaves counted as 2/3d's a person.
~~~
Both close, it was 3/5ths.
>From Article 1, Section 2:
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the
several States which may be included within this Union, according to
their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the
whole Number of free Persons, including
I thought it was 2/5's?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> I imagine that if you're a constitutional originalist race has to be
> counted - weren't black slaves counted as 2/3d's a person.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Maureen wrote:
>>
>> I leave it blank. Fra
I imagine that if you're a constitutional originalist race has to be
counted - weren't black slaves counted as 2/3d's a person.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> I leave it blank. Frankly, my race, sex, gender, color, sexual
> preference and a wide variety of other attributes
I leave it blank. Frankly, my race, sex, gender, color, sexual
preference and a wide variety of other attributes are none of the
government's business. The quickest way to resolve the major issues
regarding race or other forms of discrimination would be for everyone
to refuse to answer those que
+100
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>>
>> "Race is a tricky thing to even define in America considering the amount of
>> intermarrying."
>>
>> Exactly. That is why it race shouldn't be a determining factor in the
>
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Race is a tricky thing to even define in America considering the amount of
> intermarrying."
>
> Exactly. That is why it race shouldn't be a determining factor in the
> fields we a discussing. Hell, Barrack is called black, but he's half
"But considering that you chastised me for saying that "class" isn't a
useful enough distinction, I find it hard to accept 'I just know' as a
distinction either."
How about this: In my humble opinion, I think the time has passed.
"Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are all about attention seeking.
I blame rap music.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> >
> > "Fair enough. What do you think is the tipping point then where race
> isn't a
> > predictor of poverty?"
> >
> > All I can say is that the point has passe
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Fair enough. What do you think is the tipping point then where race isn't a
> predictor of poverty?"
>
> All I can say is that the point has passed. Race is used these days as
> political currency. By declaring one race poorer than anoth
"Fair enough. What do you think is the tipping point then where race isn't a
predictor of poverty?"
All I can say is that the point has passed. Race is used these days as
political currency. By declaring one race poorer than another and promising
rectification of the problem, a politician is tr
amily tree.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:25 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
"The culture of poverty can be found anywhere. It ce
Not arguing with you about that, what you're saying is very standard.
The data across the literature shows similar results. The problem is
that race is so intertwined with SES in the United States that any
causal model has to use race as a correlated predictor when including
socio-economic status
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> I never said that race at some point in history was not a predictor of
> poverty. You are deluding yourself if you think I said that. I have said
> race is no longer a predictor of poverty; instead, poverty is the leading
> indicator of
"The culture of poverty can be found anywhere. It certainly happens amongst
whites, I grew up in the middle of it. But I think that you
are deluding yourself if you don't think that there is a historic component
to it and that historic component, in the US, is largely
racial."
I never said that r
Not sure why you keep saying poverty is increasing.
It was 22% in '59 and it's 13.2% now. I used percentages because you
don't like real numbers :) (40mil vs 40mil)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States
As for race when you break it down it's no longer 3 to 1:
Among marr
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "So it's not being a minority that causes poverty, it's the culture of being
> poor."
>
> Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Which is what I've been talking about distinguishing class versus race
and current economic situati
"So it's not being a minority that causes poverty, it's the culture of being
poor."
Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself.
J
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Empty pockets never held anyone back. Only empty heads and empty hearts can
do that. - Norman Vincent Peale
~~~
The report seems to be saying race itself does not cause drop outs.
In these cases chances of dropping out increased significantly:
Being poor, low SES.
Raised by a single parent.
Move around a lot.
PTA involvement
Parental education achievement expectations
Behavior including smoking.
So it's n
Even in this study, it seems as if different people were being
surveyed during the different follow-ups. For example, those who were
identified in the base year, but did not reply, were allowed to repli
in the first follow up. Again, it seems as if subsequent follow ups
are adding in new people as
This reply is based on the data from this link,
http://cloud9.norc.uchicago.edu/faqs/nels.htm not the PDF. I hit
'reply' on the last message.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Sorry, maybe I am just dumb, but I do not see how that makes any
> sense. Here is what does not com
Sorry, maybe I am just dumb, but I do not see how that makes any
sense. Here is what does not compute with me (not saying its wrong,
just does not make sense)
1. None of the followups include the same people. For example, the
first follow up does not include data from parents.
2. Beyond the first
OK Scott last thing.
This is the 4th follow up technical report on the methodology:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs95/95426.pdf
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> Also I found some more detail explanation of the followups for the
> survey which ended in the late 80's. From what I
Also I found some more detail explanation of the followups for the
survey which ended in the late 80's. From what I understand the same
methodology was used.
http://cloud9.norc.uchicago.edu/faqs/nels.htm
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> Here Scott, this is a very brief e
The USDA is going to reconsider ousting the official based on more
complete information that they now have at hand.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128659806&sc=fb&cc=fp
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Antholo
Here Scott, this is a very brief explanation of longitudinal research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_study
To get how the researchers did the actual assessments, you'll need to
troll the NORC site's methodology sections for how they handled
attrition etc.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:3
"I don't see why I ought to provide freebies when I charge a consulting fee
for doing such."
Thank God. I don't think we could stand any more free analysis.
J
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not. I think my
Wow, I can't believe you have such a hatred for real news.
Fox didn't even cover the story until after she resigned. But go and
blame them anyway.
As for Breitbart, he states his point was the NAACP called the tea
party movement racist yet while Sherrod was telling them how she was
racist agains
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Not. But to give a real answer that addresses your concerns would take
> a fair amount of work, the sort of stuff I do consulting. Besides,
> being stuck on a commuter train right now makes it rather difficult in
> the first place.
>
> Gh
Not. But to give a real answer that addresses your concerns would take
a fair amount of work, the sort of stuff I do consulting. Besides,
being stuck on a commuter train right now makes it rather difficult in
the first place.
Ghads I hate commuting.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Scott Stroz
You and Judah have it wrong the real answer is both.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Both. One does not choose between the two nubile women when you can
> realistically have both. Mostly you have to worry about that sneaky
> Professor. He may have to be bumped off."
>
>
Why do you seem to be taking that personally?
I am just curious how following some kids for 1 year and some for 14
years can yield consistent data. As I said, a lot can happen to people
in 14 years. In 14 years you can go from 2nd grade to college
graduate. Or from 6th grade to being a doctor. I
Not sure about that. With correlated predictors you cannot reliably
ascertain on whether the effects on a dependent variable are the
result of one correlated predictor or another. In this case to what
degree is school achievement due to SES or racial factors. The actual
analyses we did was lookin
Its still legitimate. The longitudinal sampling techniques took such
into account. Go to the site and look at how they do that sort of
research. I'm pretty satisfied with their methodology, as is the
entire field. You need to do your own research about it. I don't see
why I ought to provide freebi
"Both. One does not choose between the two nubile women when you can
realistically have both. Mostly you have to worry about that sneaky
Professor. He may have to be bumped off."
We differ there. It would have to be Mary Ann. I am into substance over
appearance. Though yours wasn't a bad choic
For those that may be curious, here is the full video and a little
write up of her speech:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/watch_full_video_of_sherrods_speech.php?ref=fpa
It is really an excellent speech. Given the way she has been treated,
I suggest that we get rid of Vilsack
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> Wow. The day keeps getting weirder. I have a BA and MA in Mathematics.
> Though most of our posts wouldn't show it, we seem to have quite a few
> things in common. Next question: Ginger or Mary Ann?
Both. One does not choose between th
"I kept telling my Profs that in college. I ended up majoring in it so as to
learn how to fight the man. Take it down from the inside so to
speak."
"Fight the Power!"
Wow. The day keeps getting weirder. I have a BA and MA in Mathematics.
Though most of our posts wouldn't show it, we seem to h
I see your point, I do not agree with it, but I see it.
If everything else is equal, I would be more inclined to think
flipping a coin would be a better, and more fair, determination on who
gets a job or slot in a college than using race.
In my mind, it is never good for someone to get any kind
You are confusing fact with correlation.
On statistics, if you torture the numbers long enough, they'll tell you
exactly what you want.
On your correlation, I contend that you can disregard race altogether. I
say that the number one indicator of poverty is poverty. That is, someone
from a poor
You and I are talking about two different situations. You are talking
about a situation where one candidate is less qualified and elevated
above another. I am talking about a situation where both candidates
are qualified.
If you are talking about two candidates who are qualified for a
position yo
Hahaha. Oh wow. That's awesome. I would've wee'd in my pants.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Yes, I thought of that scene exactly.
>
> Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
>
> Judah
>
> As an aside, I once got to perform a wedding ceremony where t
Yes, I thought of that scene exactly.
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
Judah
As an aside, I once got to perform a wedding ceremony where the couple
let me start it off with "Love, true love, is what brings us together
today". I did not use the Peter Cooke voice, but the
To me the Affirmative Action rationale says 'choose the non-white'.
There have been many times where a less qualified non-caucasian has
gotten a job, admission to college, etc, over a more qualified
caucasian. (I have seen it first hand in previous jobs)
Granted there have been a lot more times i
>
> However, in your example, if it is wrong to NOT chose the minority
> candidate because they are a minority, it is equally wrong, regardless
> of the rationale, to NOT choose the white candidate because they are
> NOT a minority.
>
Does this paragraph remind anyone else of this:
Man in Black
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> To be fair, I think 'discriminatory' might be a better word. To me,
> 'racist' would infer some sort of hatred or dislike of one person or
> group because of their race. Clearly, in your example, there is no
> hatred or dislike (at least tha
I said this:
> I'm confused. Why do failed farmers get to blame racism for not getting
> loans?
And you said this:
> When I was doing research with data for large scale studies (with
> sample sizes in the tens, and in several cases hundreds of thousands)
> in any causal model we developed we h
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Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Judah McAuley
wrote:
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