Hello
I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2 or 3
years of school works) than a CCIE, but my collegue think other wise.
I suppose a CCIE is sort of a Ph.D. of networking. Studying for and taking
the written is the equivalent of coursework, then doing hands-on to prepare
for the lab is like research for your dissertation, the the lab test
represents the oral exam. But I wouldn't stretch the analogy too far. For
one t
This is a great question.
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Hello
I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tough
Four to six years ago I would have highly agreed with your friend
in saying that the CCIE is much more difficult to obtain than most
if not all degrees.
However, with the developments over the recent years and popularity
of the CCIE it has been commoditized. This cert use to
be of a nature that r
MS- or PhD-level coursework is more difficult than what you'll run into
studying for the CCIE, but they don't really cover the same subject
matter so it's really apples and oranges. I personally don't even have
a BS--which I regret--but it wouldn't help much in my current position
anyway, except p
Degree is safer. Especially now.
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> This is a great question.
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"at equal rate"; as Socrates would put it.
Aristotle as opposed to Socrates... my bad..
knew something was off about that..
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> I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
> achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
> science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2 or
3
> years of school works) than a CCIE, but my collegue think other wise.
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> I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
> achieve. I told him that it
Oh, please.
At 06:37 PM 12/18/2002 +, Mic shoeps wrote:
>Hello
>
>I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
>achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
>science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2 or 3
At 6:37 PM + 12/18/02, Mic shoeps wrote:
>Hello
>
>I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
>achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
>science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2 or 3
>years of school wor
At 6:37 PM + 12/18/02, Mic shoeps wrote:
>Hello
>
>I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
>achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
>science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2 or 3
>years of school wor
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> At 6:37 PM + 12/18/02, Mic shoeps wrote:
> >Hello
> >
> >I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
> >achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
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> > I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
> > achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
> > science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and
other side, it is really important, for all the explanations that was
given, that you get also your BS and MS.
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What's more difficult?
a) Memorizing configuration scenerios and commands on a Cisco router
b) Understanding Calculus, Differential Equations, Numerical Analysis,
Chemistry, Physics and Electrical Engineering well enough to create a
"meaningful" experiment.
One of my friends is working on his ma
If that were the real reading list for a BS degree, I would *LOVE* it. My
problem is that they make you read all the fluffy stuff that you never
wanted to read in the first place, and didnt go to college for, but they
make you read anyway.
And further, lets say you were an english major, do you r
The thing about comparing degrees to certs is that they aren't totally
comparable because they serve different purposes. The degree is designed to
teach you general knowledge - basically to teach you how to think.
Let's face it. The vast majority of college graduate use very little of
what they
At 7:10 PM + 12/21/02, nrf wrote:
>The thing about comparing degrees to certs is that they aren't totally
>comparable because they serve different purposes. The degree is designed to
>teach you general knowledge - basically to teach you how to think.
and pass academic tests. Outside the scie
> >As stated by someone else on this thread, the CCIE may prove to be
valuable
> >in the network engineering profession, but has essentially zero value in
any
> >other profession.
>
> And a fairly specific part of network engineering, which is Cisco
> enterprise support oriented. As currently de
Interesting question, but I think the question of "which is tougher" and
"which is more valuable" get confused.
As someone who has an MBA from a top school, I know that it took several
thousand of hours of work and an estimated 12,000 - 15,000 pages of reading.
I am in process on my CCIE, but so f
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> Interesting question, but I think the question of "which is tougher" and
> "which is more valuable" get confused.
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> As someone who has an MBA from a top school, I know that it took several
> thousand of hours of work and
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> > *LOVE* it. My problem
just something to add to the coversation concerning the quality of
education & certifications
http://www.westga.edu/%7Edistance/ojdla/summer52/pond52.html
LAWRENCE A SCULARK
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Interesting question. Some thoughts from someone that does have a PhD
in CS (dissertation in networking, a dozen or so publications, a handful
in IEEE journals). I initially went into gradual school to teach and do
research, but after spending two summers during grad school as an intern
in indust
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> Interesting question. Some thoughts from someone that does have a PhD
> in CS (dissertation in networking, a dozen or so publications, a handful
> in IEEE journals). I initially went into gradual school to teach and d
You are correct. For most people, I think acquiring a PhD is more
resources and time consumed than becoming a CCIE. Now, not to
belittle the CCIE, it is still probably one of the hardest lab
examinations in the IT field. However, all in all, for most people,
seems like the PhD would be harde
""Carroll Kong"" wrote in message
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> You are correct. For most people, I think acquiring a PhD is more
> resources and time consumed than becoming a CCIE. Now, not to
> belittle the CCIE, it is still probably one of the hardest lab
> examinations in th
At 1:07 AM + 1/1/03, nrf wrote:
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>I would just like to reiterate that the graduate degree (master's or PhD)
>provides you a whole lot more flexibility than the CCIE ever can.
Agreed, with respect to finding jobs. But a caveat -- once you have a
track record, the knowledge is more important
>I would just like to reiterate that the graduate degree (master's or PhD)
>provides you a whole lot more flexibility than the CCIE ever can. With a
>graduate degree, you can branch out far and beyond network engineering.
That this thread subsists continues to amaze me. The CCIE, challenging
th
At 3:57 PM + 1/1/03, Peter van Oene wrote:
> >I would just like to reiterate that the graduate degree (master's or PhD)
>>provides you a whole lot more flexibility than the CCIE ever can. With a
>>graduate degree, you can branch out far and beyond network engineering.
>
>That this thread subs
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> At 3:57 PM + 1/1/03, Peter van Oene wrote:
> > >I would just like to reiterate that the graduate degree (master's or
PhD)
> >>provides you a whole lot more flexibility than the CCIE ever can. With
a
> >>g
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> > At 3:57 PM + 1/1/03, Peter van Oene wrote:
> > > >I would just like to reiterate that the graduate degree (master's or
> PhD)
> > >>provides you
your scope and you will
appreciate all aspects of computers. You might even like programming and
then you can be the guy/girl that writes the code for the newest
routers.
Jack Handy
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> Ok, I've been following this thread for a while now. I'm a student
> currently working on my BS in Computer Engineering and I'll only be on my
> soap box for a few minutes here. Colleges used to be on the bleeding edge
> of technology and now they aren't anymore. I'm a network security
enginee
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Jack Handy wrote:
> will always be with you. Plus, you broaden your scope and you will
> appreciate all aspects of computers. You might even like programming and
> then you can be the guy/girl that writes the code for the newest
> routers.
Well I'll let this slide by on the
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, nrf wrote:
> updated. But I look askance at demands that colleges transform themselves
> into glorified vocational schools. If all they're doing is teaching the
> technology du-jour, and neglecting the building of fundamental thinking
> skills, then I think the heart of what
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> > updated. But I look askance at demands that colleges transform
themselves
> > into glorified vocational schools. If all they're doing is teaching
the
> > technology du-jour, a
> I understand everything you said, and I agree that college coursework
should
> modernize, but I think you may be missing the point of a college
education.
>
> The point of a college education is not to prepare you to step into a job
> immediately. That is not its purpose, and never has been - ev
holds a better chance at
landing a networking position. either way be prepared to answer the "you've
got 5 minutes to tell me why i should hire you" question.
thanks.
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I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of
Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no more than
a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college! College
is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it is
Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote:
> I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of
> Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no
> more than
> a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college!
> College
> is not there to prepare you to
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> > I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College
of
> > Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no
> > more than
> > a vocational degree. Obvio
o, and that you never give up.
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> I have an MIS degree f
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> > I understand everything you said, and I agree that college coursework
> should
> > modernize, but I think you may be missing the point of a college
> education.
> >
> > The point of a college education is not to
, and that you never give up.
It is absolutely true that, at the end of the day, knowledge and
determination are what ultimately counts. But the origination of this
thread was to choose one or the other (the cert or the degree).
>
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At 3:10 AM + 1/3/03, nrf wrote:
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>> I have taken all of the classes listed below while in the engineering
>school
>> at University of Wisconsin.
>>
>> I know that there was not one of them that demanded the attent
> >Uh, this does not follow. How many CCIE's really really understand, say,
> >BGP or OSPF? No, not just how to configure it, but how it really
actually
> >works. Give you an example - I would be hard pressed to find a lot of
> >CCIE's who can explain to me how Dijkstra really works. Some can,
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What's more difficult?
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Thank you Howard for laying the foundation for us to grow on..
-Kevin
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