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About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During the
dream, I decided to ask him a question about where the money has been
going. It took tremedous effort to ask this question during the dream,
but, I
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on 3/26/05 2:25 PM, medwards520 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Rick,
About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During the
dream, I decided to ask him a question about where the money has been
Again, an instance of how truly weaselly you are.
Does this set you straight?
Your display of pique is surprising.
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So you do not equate the word suspect with your remarks above that
you view with caution about the illusion created? You have a
remarkably weaselly way with words -- no wonder MMY and TM
administrators refuse to
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no wonder MMY and TM
administrators refuse to talk to you.
It is common knowledge that I offered to enter into an exchange with
MMY about his biography. However, his response to that letter is not.
As for your
On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:
I also have had similar experiences regarding the desire to cry that
dissolves, especially when I have good strong experiences after
my Sidha/TM practice.
this also brings me to experience a desire to nullify the whole
existence and be in a cave
I can't remember where I heard this about MMY sleeping at the foot of
Guru Dev's bed -- maybe Paul Mason's book?
On-line text copy of
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Biography of the Man Who Gave Transcendental
Meditation to the World
currently viewable at
At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door.17
[Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The Way
to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.]
For anyone who has visited India, it is a very common sight to see
people lie on the floor.
But anyway, I have come to
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I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope
that some dictator or
factory owner was going to mandate TM on his
citizens/employees. He tried
repeatedly to get this to happen and it always
flopped.
It is a rather unusual take on
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TM is being taught with public funds at the
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I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope
that some dictator or
factory owner was going to mandate TM on his
citizens/employees. He tried
and I'd get bored with it. Startingand stopping created the
contrast needed to keep TM interesting forme.Alex---Ditto,
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I have not had any luck obtaining a first edition of Tiwari's
biography, which I would like to
compare with subsequent editions to track any changes/revisions. A
friend may have the
original Hindi version, but hasn't been able to find it. He is
moving in a week or two and
promises to
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
believe fundie Christians are already loosing face nationwide, and it
will be a fast downward slide. I hope you're right, but I won't
hold my breath.
Oh, please do!
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Hi Anon:
On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:
Would you elaborate on that, what samsara means here and how
would it be created thru that process/experience?
Samsara is a 'pattern of suffering'. These are kept going by the
kleshas you know from the Patanjali sutras (but you will
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At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door.17
[Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The
Way
to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.]
For anyone who has visited India, it is a
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You describe Rameshwar's biography as precious, which implies
that
you consider it to be factual and authoritative, yet somehow when
material from that book appears in Strange facts about a great
saint it
The response went off-line I post the missing posting
I asked you to present evidence that there was
more than one person
acting as Shankaracharya (whether he claims the
title to two maths
or
not -- disputed claims, one might add) who was
opposed to
Maharishi.
I quote
So the other Shankaracharyas are chopped liver? The
fact that Swaroop had face time with Guru Dev doesn't
mean anything. Guru Dev's master had many disciples,
but we only hear about Guru Dev because good disciples
are few and far between. In other traditions, Judas
was a disciple, too, but
On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote:
I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people
say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However,
when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your
deerskin down before you get seated. when
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote:
I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I
have heard people
say it for years now and have hear Maharishi
imtimate it. However,
when you sit up in front of people and wait until
someone puts
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on 3/25/05 11:56 PM, Bob Brigante at
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Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor
at the foot of Guru
Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets,
but in fact choose
what they want to eat; development of
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim to
have the experience of others.
So you are saying you have witnessed MMY formally accepting sishyas?
That's the point here, not that people do not or cannot derive some
benefit from him or
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote:
I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard
people
say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it.
However,
when you sit up in front of people
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You are right, he does use many of the props and a
lot of the pretense.
We're talking about McDonald's drive-thru style
meditation here. It
ain't 'the real thing'
on 3/26/05 6:32 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding
yourself if
you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the
inner
circle
The guru-disciple
on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
outer relationship with the guru. The outer
relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell
absolutely nothing of the
He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
ceremony.
Would you elaborate on that please?
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Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim tohave the
experience of others. -PeterIt's not that it works or
that it doesn't work. It's the denigration of all past traditions in the simple
phrase, "Spiritual Regeneration," or other (tmed) Maharishisms. It's not the
purity of the
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becomingclearer and
clearer that there is an inner and anouter relationship with the guru. The
outerrelationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tellabsolutely
nothing of the inner relationship from theouter relationship of another. We
know
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
ceremony.
OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he
have
a Brahmin
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As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
outer relationship with the guru. The outer
relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell
on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
ceremony.
OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have
a Brahmin perform the rite? Who
So Maharishi performed some type of official ceremony so a handful
of people could be officially called disciples, big whoop. Is there a
rulebook that describes a guru-disciple relationship? If so does it
specifically void relationships that are absent this.some ceremony?
Isn't the guru disciple
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on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
outer relationship with the guru. The outer
On Mar 26, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about
an
hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their
heads
and did other stuff.
Thanks for sharing that--that was beautiful to hear.
I don't want
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So the other Shankaracharyas are chopped liver? The
fact that Swaroop had face time with Guru Dev doesn't
mean anything. Guru Dev's master had many disciples,
but we only hear about Guru Dev because good
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
Your just mad because TM gets taught in some public schools in the
US,
gets taught to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the
NIH, and is soon going to
WOW !
This really goes to how out of touch and prejuduced you really are.
No wonder you are always badmouthing TM.
TM was NOT considered a religion by that court case, but your mind
has turned it into its negative. TM won the case. Get informed !
Secondly TM is taught in a Public school in a
Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have
religious overtones.
The 1977 court ruling, Malnak v. Yogi, dealt a serious blow to the
movement. TM appealed to the New Jersey State Supreme Court claiming
they were not teaching religion, but proven scientific techniques. The
Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public
Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years. The first one
I know of was in Washington DC, and goes back before the 1995 DC
WPA. (of course the redneck fundie christians will never let it get
widespread in Public
Comment below:
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings
wrote:
Your just mad because TM gets taught in some
public schools in the
US,
gets taught to
You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no articles on the Web that support that claim.
Sal
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:26 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public
Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years.
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have
religious overtones.
And of course you are correct Sal. .
Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
This is very
Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
Few keep up with it for three years.
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What DOES matter is if they are charging 2400 USD
a pop.
That is criminal.
No its not. You are making this up.
Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
Which is less than
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I
agree upon something! Sure, MMY appears to do some
pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened
status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques
means they simply did not bear
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You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no
articles
on the Web that support that claim.
Sal
Your mind is tuned to not find it. You'll need to cure yourself of
that oneday (not a judgement,
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I
would be
lying if I told you any different.
Why did you so
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on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
ceremony.
OK, here's a fine
Hi Peter:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I
agree upon something!
Sure, MMY appears to do some
pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened
status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques
means they simply
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Your mind is tuned to not find it.
My mind might be, but my search engine isn't, and it didn't find anything to support your claim either. And it won't, not until Malnak v Yogi is overturned. I wouldn't hold my breath on thiat one.
Ever
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him
that they
wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were
unsuccessful
in this line of work,
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
It was not folly on MMY's part, it was just a way of dealing with
children who insisted, wrongly as it turns out, that they were
qualified to be Brahmacharis.
Interesting if true.
This reminds me of the anecdote in Nancy Cooke de Herrera's
In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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. The
Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After
several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the
beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to
on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they
wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful
in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right?
Right. And since he
on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the
Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in
Hinduism. It requires
Sal
Are you blind?
TM is taught in public schools in the US right now. It is legal to
do so.
What does that tell you about the law?
It is possible that the fundie christians will never let it be
widespread (but will try as many toxic pharmaceuticals on their addh
children as possible.and
Anyone remember when the NJ court case and ruling actually took place?
In late 79-early 80, I wrote a grant to the Bd of Ed of the City of
NY, at the request of a middle school principal in the South Bronx,
and ended up getting money and initiating nearly the entire faculty
of this bombed out
you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!!
kh
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on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that
they
wanted to be
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on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from
the
Hindu
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on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
It requires you
on 3/26/05 9:36 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!!
kh
Who me? Yeah, gotta stir the pot every now and then.
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TM is being taught with public funds at the charter schools in Mich
and MD (and it ain't cheap, $625/yr per student -- see
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on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the
Hindu
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Anyone remember when the NJ court case and ruling actually took
place?
In late 79-early 80, I wrote a grant to the Bd of Ed of the City of
NY, at the request of a middle school principal in the South Bronx,
and
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In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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. The
Supreme Court upheld the initial
on 3/26/05 10:52 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same
interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own. Bill
Coors, the beer baron, ordered his execs to start TM, naturally it
did not work
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People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same
interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own.
Bill
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You would have no legal standing, not being a local or state
of michigan taxpayer. However, feel free to get the bible
thumpers going, they've got to find a new thing once terri
schiavo drools her last in a few
on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual
yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and
I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the
near future,
What
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on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual
yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and
I think a
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on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an
Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich and
poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes,
alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't want
to pay much for a technique we could use for the rest of our lives...
We could go on and on
If anyone wants to make a donation to the TMO they can, at any time.
I was instructed at Maharishi Ashram for free. I have since made many
donations to the movement.
As far as I can gather there is no truth to the oft-repeated claim
that it is traditional to charge for initiation into
On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:59 AM, rgjcm wrote:
Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich and
poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes,
alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't want
to pay much for a technique we could use for
On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Paul Mason wrote:
SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami
Tulsidas: The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in
return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable
hell.
Hi Paul:
This is precisely what the
Interpretations of the Ramayana, authored by Goswani Tulsidas are
many.
The verse in question says that a guru who takes money from his/her
chela without leading chela to self-knowledge goes to hell for sure.
TM leads the chela to self knowledge. Or not?
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Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich
and
poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes,
alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't
want
to pay much
If we're going to amortize the costs of education
over the lifetime the knowledge is applied, elementary
schools would charge parents $100,000 to teach
little kids how to read.
The same goes if we peg costs to the education's
potential value.
It's just not practical, culturally accepted
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:10 AM, akasha_108 wrote:
So it follows then that if a teacher does charge, he is offering the
student a great blessing by creating a link to the student by which
all the students sins are transmitted to the teacher. And folowing
this logic if more money is charged,
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On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:10 AM, akasha_108 wrote:
So it follows then that if a teacher does charge, he is offering the
student a great blessing by creating a link to the student by which
all the students sins are
Well, MMY used to use an analogy equating TM with building a house. So
I think a 30 year nortgage is called for -- to be automaticaly
deducted from ones checking account each month. So I think a 30 yr
mortgage on TMO initiation is called for.
At 10% down, $250, and at a 5% fixed rate, the
Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm,
mixed bag of karma for that ?
Tom T:
He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's
all his fault Tom makes
On Mar 25, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
Ammachi always imparts mantras without charge.
Yeah I liked that about her. She initiated me into Kali and gave
Shaktipat for free. Back then she used to talk in this kind of
proto-Sanskrit and she was just in this ecstatic trance. Then we
on 3/25/05 10:35 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at
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Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm,
mixed bag of karma for that ?
Tom T:
He also
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Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm,
mixed bag of karma for that ?
Tom T:
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Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick
and this is entirely against the canons of Indian culture and
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to the movement.As far as I can gather there
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
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Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does
Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm,
mixed bag of karma for that ?
Tom
How does this sin model work for TM teachers. Do they take on half
ofthe sin of each student, the other half is taken on by
"Internaional"?Maybe that explains why the TMO, and most of its
teachers sort ofcrashed after the bom initiations days of the mid
70's. BothInternational and
always wonderin what the moral analogue of that is.
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:49
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF
TM.
Well, MMY used to use an analogy equating TM with
building
Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati also disputes the validity of
the religious title the Shankracharya of Kanchi holds. And note that
the latter has the support of Ammachi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, so
go figure...
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After a charge of murder, the Shankracharya of Kanchi has
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated for
money over
the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many
people for
free that you taught for a fee.
No teaching for free is only the norm.
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Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati also disputes the validity of
the religious title the Shankracharya of Kanchi holds. And note
that
the latter has the support of Ammachi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, so
go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I owe a hundredthousand bucks on my undergrad ..
Perhaps thats what holding up Heaven on Earth. It won't happen until
you fully pay back your loan.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: And
the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated formoney
over the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many
people
Perhaps thats what holding up Heaven on Earth. It won't happen
untilyou fully pay back your loan. I was always an
undermotivated under acheiver, Lord, why did you place this burden upon me?
Could not someone help me pay back my loans and support heaven on earth? I
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