On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:37:18 -0500, you wrote:
horse nor asked anyone in a position to know about icelandic practices.
I´ve SEEN, personally, horses in Iceland eat salt fish from a barrel
put out for them.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:29:57 -0700, you wrote:
i think that many ponies are mishandled that way, icelandic or not.
it's a real problem, esp. for those who end up as kids' mounts.
The rescue I´m getting next week has been used for 7 years in a riding
school just as a kid´s pony (and lots of
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:35:49 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
No, if they need protection I put on boa's, very rarely does this
happen..
You ride a lot through 12 inch deep clay mud? You know a boot that
will stay on in that??? PLEASE, tell me!!!
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On 25/11/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oh my gosh this is S funny! here is a picture of my little curls
blocking me from coming up HIS driveway!
Janice
Yes, well...it's his driveway, but who is paying the mortgage? I
think he's got a good thing going.
Wanda
Is a heart-rate monitor conclusive proof that a horse isn't afraid? I'm
not sure I'm convinced of that
Have you ever used one? Have you ever watched one to see how their HR
changes during exercise, exictement, fear? Then how can you comment on
it???
No I haven't used one, and I admit I'm
The rescue I'm getting next week has been used for 7 years in a riding
school just as a kid´s pony (and lots of different kids at that). He´s
pushy, bargy and nips...
That's not a breed trait, nor is it a pony-versus-horse thing. It's a matter
of expectations, training, management and
Yes, well...it's his driveway, but who is paying the mortgage? I think
he's got a good thing going.
Yeah, Janice...you should be happy he finally granted you admission to his
domain. ;)
Really cute picture. Gotta love those long-ears.
Karen Thomas, NC
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:42:49 -0500, you wrote:
That's not a breed trait, nor is it a pony-versus-horse thing.
I wasn´t implying it was - merely a comment.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
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I wasn´t implying it was - merely a comment.
Ok...gee, then what are we coming too, Mic? I thought surely you were arguing
this time.
Karen Thomas
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:45:05 -0500, you wrote:
Ok...gee, then what are we coming too, Mic? I thought surely you were arguing
this time.
I must be getting old
; )
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
I've heard about Icelandic horses, I have NEVER heard the story of the barrels
of salted herring promoted as nutritional wisdom until this thread.
oh yes it´s was very common!
but do we want to play THAT into a modern-day nutritional trend? Hey, their
diet was even organic!
when it was
horse nor asked anyone in a position to know about icelandic practices.
I´ve SEEN, personally, horses in Iceland eat salt fish from a barrel
put out for them.
but what CHOICES were available... like the donner party, they ate
each other :)
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
not what the foals are used for but the BLOOD, what is it used for,
thats what I am wondering, since hormones for women come from urine,
what hormones are extracted from blood and what is it used for.
Janice
yipie tie yie yo
Ok...gee, then what are we coming too, Mic? I thought surely you were
arguing this time.
I must be getting old
maybe we need some pony blood hormones. if I could get some of that
from nasi i wouldnt give a rats a** about anything and I would be
happy as a clam.
Janice
--
yipie tie
how many of you are able to ride barefoot always and who feels they
need to shoe?
Huginn has been BAREFOOT for ONE YEAR NOW!!! YAHOO!! We have had
NO problems with lameness, ouchiness, and he is gaitinig. I have only
had to boot Huginn once, and that was in June when we rode at
Just wondering ...how much money to put in a system like that in your area?
I will be putting (trying) a track system in my small pasture next
year. Huginn and Dixie LOVELOVE Debbie's track that she has set up
in the Huginn Pasture at her farm. They move...round and round on the
track,
, work.
In the end, it will also allow your horse to be
lighter in his aids, because if you are like me, you
do not work on the trail.
All I want to do is have a relaxing ride and have FUN.
I am going to take him to this arena and work him
good today. thanks for all your help
Lorraine
A little brain damage works well too, Janice. Our adopted daughter Brenda,
who had TB meningitis in her native Mexico, is the most contented person
I've ever known.
Nancy
There are three valid reasons that horses are shod: protection,
traction, or to effect a therapeutic change necessary for the horse's
health. All else is vanity
Like I saidHuginn is barefoot and I WILL BOOT as needed. I am not
anti-shoes...if a horses needs them..then use them.
No, if they need protection I put on boa's, very rarely does this
happen..
You ride a lot through 12 inch deep clay mud? You know a boot that
will stay on in that??? PLEASE, tell me!!!
If I am riding in that kind of stuff, I don't need boots... Why would
I need boots for that
I
people use QHs with TB lines for speed events. barrels, racing etc.
Janice-
Also, the QH sport horses commonly are appendix-registered QH, meaning that
they have TB blood within a given percentage range. By sport horse I mean
the ones used for competitive dressage, jumping, hunters
I am gonna put shoes on for their gait
Pam..if your Ice Ponies...need shoes for gaiting, then they are not
naturally gaited. Huginn is not the best tolter...but he does still
gait and without shoes. Sure ...I guess if I wanted him to be a
tolting machine, I could try shoes or heavy shoes, but
the fun happens. And I am willing to get off and
lead him past the
sticking spot if that's what it takes.
Like that article said. There is nothing wrong with
getting off. At least I am going out still instead of
putting him away. I took him for a long walk away in
different directions.
Ya know, Pam, then she must not be naturally gaited if she has to have
shoes on to gait... that makes no sense to me, no shoes, no gait...
There are other reasons she may not gait, have you thought of them???
shoes/no shoes/ all the things you mention, could disturb gait, throw
the timing
personally think that he
doesn't feel safe when he is alone.
I don't think Dagur is afraid. I just think he just
doesn't want to leave his friend. His previous owner
rode him alone all the time.
Lorraine
Yes, and if you aren't careful and if you don't
resolve the problem quickly,
you'll also be getting that horse into really good
physical shape, and a
That is true. Dagur is getting in better shape. He is
harder to fight. I don't to fight anymore.
Lorraine
I want to know how anyone can be sure their horse
isn't fearful... Horses
are herd animals. They don't like to be alone
because they are vulnerable
alone. That's part of what drives them.
Didn't you know I am a mind reader? Why did his
previous owner ride alone?
Lorraine
barn sourness is not something to take lightly... i went on a ride
once with a 10 year old girl whose parents had just bought her a new
horse. she was way ahead of me and stopped and all the horses passed
her. I was last and I smiled and said 'are you having fun? and kept
going and then
what you could do is get one of those black 8 ball fortune teller
devices from the dollar store and ask it will my horse be a good boy
on our ride today? and wait for it to roll back and forth between
yes and then no. Thats what i do.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
You ride a lot through 12 inch deep clay mud? You know a boot that
will stay on in that??? PLEASE, tell me!!!
HAHA!! I think in deep mud, Huginn would be bootless. Now..finding a
boot that will stay on in deep mud and fast rushing rivers would be so
nice! I lost a brand NEW boot in the Rush
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:44:54PM -0600, Debbie K. wrote:
Ya know, Pam, then she must not be naturally gaited if she has to have
shoes on to gait... that makes no sense to me, no shoes, no gait...
well, nor are all barefoot states created equal. when stjarni first was
without shoes (not a
All I want to do is have a relaxing ride and have FUN.
I am going to take him to this arena and work him
good today. thanks for all your help
with that tho Lorraine you are not exactly working on the specific
problem of being barn sour. Its like my stonewall, half the people I
know would
gaited horses, any of them, can have spells where the gait is off.
like my Fix, he is awesome gaited at the runningwalk, but when
nervous, tense, afraid, excited, he throws his head high and does a
saddlerack, still a smooth gait
Ya know what Huginn gaits the best? When he is mad at me!! HAHA!!
That is true. Dagur is getting in better shape. He is harder to fight.
I don't to fight anymore.
Bingo - I think you're onto something. The methods in the article Robyn
sent, the suggestions from Cherie, all of that advice isn't about fighting.
Remember, Rome wasn't built in one day. Don't
I think if Twist did that, I'd lead him even farther away from the barn.
The real bummer for me is that it's straight up hill - hard work for an old
lady. He's barn sour on the flat too, however.
Nancy
I get really sick of my most frequent training partner, who rides a
wonderful bomb proof Appaloosa, telling me how perfect Hunter is. If I
weren't afraid she'd get hurt, I'd put her up on him.
Nancy
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 07:12:52AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
horse nor asked anyone in a position to know about icelandic practices.
I??ve SEEN, personally, horses in Iceland eat salt fish from a barrel
put out for them.
but what CHOICES were available... like the donner party,
i think i have accidentally a natural track system in the front of my
property. It is all natural woods with old paths cut thru by the
former owner who had an atv and a child and they would atv the paths
over and over. My horses are let out in the front regularly and when
they are they go along
I have friend with a walking horse she suspects is proud cut cause if
there is a mare around he calls and calls. She started smearing vicks
salve in his nose so he cant smell mares. I started telling her i
wished she wouldnt do it, it just bothered me and finally one day she
got aggravated and
Hi Karen,
He said he just leads him into woods about 30
feet past the trailhead,
and mounts there.
I like that idea. But Dagur always backs up when I
try to get on. I guess I got to be quick
Lorraine
Hi Lorraine
if he backs up when you are getting on, then you have some basic
the only horse my daughter can ride safely is Jaspar, because he is
lazy and plodding. and you know why? She doesnt participate in the
ride at all. She is purely a PASSENGER. and when she is, the horse
KNOWS it. and they go whooo ho I'm free to do whatever I WANT.
Except Jaspar, he doesnt
I thought everyones mom put vicks up
their nose if they had a cold...
Janice - my Mom rubbed it on my chest when I had a cold and they have
found that people that routinely use the vaporub in their nose can
develop a lung problem - there is something in the vaporub that
collects in the lungs
and does it make any difference that the gait he lost was his trot and
not his tolt?
well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer a
trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaited horse.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
On 11/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if he backs up when you are getting on, then you have some basic
manners stuff to work on. He should stand absolutely still when you
get on and not move until you say so, and then only in the direction
you ask.
OR a pain issue. Tivar
and does it make any difference that the gait he lost was his trot and
not his tolt?
Good point Vicka, however, you are also saying that with the right
barefoot trim and some other changes he is trotting again... so, you
farretted out the problem, made the necessary changes and found his
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's my job to understand the limitations of what
any electronic device can
do, so my training/experience always tells me to ask
questions...which I
did. I'll be the first to tell you that I'm not
going to bet my
relationships with my horses on
The pic of your pony (what is his name?) with him
naked at the wash rack is simply stunning!! A
beautiful Blue Dun with dapples to boot!
Where are you seeing these pics?
Lorraine
Get easy,
stjarni could have gone for my soda or my chips, too, but it was all
about the TUNA. (he normally gets hay, minerals, salt, hay stretcher,
and a hoof supplement.)
ok, i am gonna go home and put out some hay and some salted herring.
I will get some video of what they choose. also, fwiw,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 07:57:06AM -0800, Nancy Sturm wrote:
I get really sick of my most frequent training partner, who rides a
wonderful bomb proof Appaloosa, telling me how perfect Hunter is. If I
weren't afraid she'd get hurt, I'd put her up on him.
heh. i occasionally fear for my
well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer a
trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaited horse.
Janice, that is a whole nother topic, Jewel is multigaited, I love the
trot and the gaits he does, I did not teach him any of them either, he
came with
--- Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where are you seeing these pics?
In the group photo section, 2nd page.
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
Be a better pen pal.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:02:31AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
and does it make any difference that the gait he lost was his trot and
not his tolt?
well yes, it would to me, because personally I believe if you prefer a
trot you should buy a trotting breed horse and not a gaited horse.
I grew up with Arabians, and we never allowed them to Gait, OH, but
when dad was not watching, I DID... I really did not know what it was,
just that it was FUN, FUN, FUN and FAST Now, I know we were Speed
Racking, or Singlefooting or Racking... some form of a soft gait, I
don't remember
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:12:19AM -0600, Debbie K. wrote:
and does it make any difference that the gait he lost was his trot and
not his tolt?
Good point Vicka, however, you are also saying that with the right
barefoot trim and some other changes he is trotting again... so, you
farretted
1. a barefoot horse which in my case, are horses trimmed to natural
angles and are not shod.
my trimmertrims my ponies accourding to their conformation.
2. The Barefoot method by strasser and others
no way would i allow a strasser trimmer near my ponies. my trimmer
used jamie jackson and
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just asked you a question about the heart rate
monitor.
It wasn't just this post or this thread. You may not
have noticed, but in the past year, you have become
more and more critical with just about every post and
every poster. You will take a
Just for the record, I don't follow Strasser either, I did start down
that trail, and I made things worse... I quickly switched back to a
less radical trim
I trim to the natural angles of the HOOF... not the shoulder, as the
shoulder can change angles... as it is attched by muscle... like I
personally I believe if you prefer a trot you should buy a trotting
breed horse and not a gaited horse.
IMHO...the best thing about riding an Icelandic is that they trot and
also have smooth pleasure gaits (whatever they may be). :]Raven
On Nov 26, 2007 10:31 AM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Didn't you know I am a mind reader? Why did his
previous owner ride alone?
Maybe he doesn't trust you enough yet. I had a horse that would
bolt/run away anytime a new rider would get on him at a canter or if
asked to jump.
and does it make any difference that the gait he lost was his
trot and not his tolt?
well.it would depend on if you wanted trot in your gaited horse.
sure ...it would be nice if all Huginn did was tolt, but i also enjoy
his trot and i really do believe that it's good for his back to trot.
Maybe one day I'll be able to ride the trails alone with Falki or Gloi,
but if not I'll find something to do with my horses that we both enjoy. I
thought that I had to have a horse that I could ride alone like the one I
had for 7 years (and had to retire) or I wouldn't be happy, but I'm
In fact, if I could find a multigaited Arabian Mare, I would buy her...
Actually, Janice, I think that's a little broad brushed. We had an
Arab we showed in dressage and did quite well all the way through 4th
level and there were several other Arabs I know that competed in
dressage and did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J5StnRJAfY
Anna, did you hear what Van said about the comments they are getting (at the
beginning of the video) about clicker training?
One of the things that is interestingly different about how Van and Kim
train (using NH / PNH) is that the horse is trained
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:12:52 -0600, you wrote:
but what CHOICES were available...
Good hay or haylage, and grass, and a mineral lick - it wasn´t even
bad weather!
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:56 -0600, you wrote:
i wouldnt give a rats a** about anything and I would be
happy as a clam.
I have a big dental appointment tomorrow morning and I´m a wimp - I´m
sat looking at a large valium tablet. Don´t expect any arguments from
me for the next 24 hours or so
Where does resistance come from?
Examples of resistance?
How do you fix it?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
I have a big dental appointment tomorrow morning and I´m a wimp - I´m sat
looking at a large valium tablet. Don´t expect any arguments from me for
the next 24 hours or so about anything at all. If Karen says black is
white I shall probably agree!
Oh man, what an opportunity...and I'm
sat looking at a large valium tablet. Don´t expect any arguments from
me for the next 24 hours or so about anything at all. If Karen says
black is white I shall probably agree!
oh now is the TIME to say all those things to Mic we have been always
wanting to say but were afraid to :) Like
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:30:20AM -0600, Raven wrote:
and does it make any difference that the gait he lost was his
trot and not his tolt?
well.it would depend on if you wanted trot in your gaited horse.
sure ...it would be nice if all Huginn did was tolt, but i also enjoy
his trot
Hi Lorraine,
Why did his previous owner ride alone?
How frustrating for you. I think this can be where there are various
influences why one person can ride a horse out and another can't. First of
all you are in a new situation and since you weren't able to try the horse
in his own environment
On 11/26/07, susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just asked you a question about the heart rate
monitor.
It wasn't just this post or this thread. You may not
have noticed,
some of us hear things on here that just seem so out of our own
On 11/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hm. i think it doesn't matter so much what i want, but what's
healthiest for my horse. even if i didn't love his trot, it would worry
me rather if his feet were in a state that disabled him from doing it.
--vicka
yes i think if
Oh man, what an opportunity...and I'm drawing a blank. Janice, I need help!
I noticed she never responds to any of my Tom Jones jokes so I think
that is her weak spot, we should go for it like rabid terriers.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am actually as I speak in Delerium tremens from
pumpkin pie withdrawal.
Thank you, Janice, for lightening the mood!
Now off to get a piece of pie!
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
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mainly because i think discouraging gait is about as bad as discouraging
non-gait, that you should let a horse gait the way it does naturally and
enjoy it which most people do, like Raven etc.
Good point, Janice. There are Icelandic's who can't trot easily and Icelandic's
who can't gait
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:25:38 -0600, you wrote:
Like ask her has she ever seen
Tom Jones around town.
Well, now you should mention it yes.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic
I am not endorsing this nor do I have any idea if it is a good way to
grade dog food but I thought some of you might be interested - I am
sending info about the creator in a minute
Grading Dog Food
This method of grading dog food was developed by Sarah Irick. It is
not to be considered exact
About the Author of this Food Grading Method:
My name is Sarah Irick and I am a Great Dane owner and rescue
volunteer. I am a Civil/Industrial Engineer, not a veterinarian or
animal nutritionist by education or employment. I do not work for a
pet food manufacturer nor am I affiliated with one. I
On Nov 24, 2007 1:40 PM, IceDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is Cilia with the first born.
Can I sleep now? It's been a Lng 60 hours! :o)
What a darling! I do think you can deserve to sleep now!
Ferne
On 11/26/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mainly because i think discouraging gait is about as bad as discouraging
non-gait, that you should let a horse gait the way it does naturally and
enjoy it which most people do, like Raven etc.
Good point, Janice. There are Icelandic's
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:44:17 -0600, you wrote:
OH MY GOD. Get OUT!! Did you TALK to him?? What was he doing at the
time? were his pants tight??!
To be honest I didn´t notice - he doesn´t do it for me at all! Sorry!
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
curlsblocking me from coming up HIS driveway!Janice, I was just scanning
thru the mail and got a look, what a hoot. You have quite a watch-donk dontcha
think? I thought my geese were good at the evil eye.Jeannette
but then I think you should subtract a point for each dollar you pay
for the bag of feed. My dogs do great on pedigree and my daughter
pays 50 dollars a bag for dog feed. My dogs are as healthy or more
than hers. i dont care at all if it has soy or wheat or by
products. My dogs love nothing
On 11/26/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:44:17 -0600, you wrote:
OH MY GOD. Get OUT!! Did you TALK to him?? What was he doing at the
time? were his pants tight??!
To be honest I didn´t notice - he doesn´t do it for me at all! Sorry!
Mic
he doesnt do
Just the other day he was acting out. And rearing some. Same tack I always
use. Maybe he was just in a bad mood.
Lorraine, I have run into similar sort of scenerious with my 9yrs gelding.
Never had a problem, anyone could ride him and this year he has turned into a
strange little beast when
Pam is saying that her farrier is excellent... and that the gait is
gone... that she has to wear shoes to gait.
First off, both my girls tolt without shoes. Jolly did not lose her
gait totally.I should have stated that. She has an awesome slow tolt
but she had a super fast one before. Lukka
But Dagur always backs up when I
try to get on. I guess I got to be quick
Lorraine
Lorraine:
Maybe you were kidding, but please don't try to quickly get on! That is one
of the best ways to get hurt if the horse takes off with one foot in the
stirrup.
Does he back up when you try to get on
On 11/26/07, Jeannette Hoenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and Mark said that this is his horse, no one else can get this from him
because of the way they tried to force him into being good by there rough
training. This is an example of what can go wrong and become right with
patience,
My Tivar
this might be bad, I dont know, but I give mine a treat from the
saddle after they have stood rock solid for a good while, while I get
all settled, get my feet right in the stirrups etc. if they walk I
circle them back around and make them wait. wiggle around, etc then
lean and give them a treat
Does anyone have the book, The Twelve Commandments,
for People Who Work With People?
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
On Nov 24, 2007 6:40 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wonder if there was too much food...
Janice
Oh boyI'm drooling
V
On Nov 26, 2007 11:16 AM, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:01:50 -0600, you wrote:
If I am riding in that kind of stuff, I don't need boots... Why would
I need boots for that
The three miles of tarmac roads, half a mile gravel and rock driveway
and stone
On Nov 26, 2007 12:08 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J5StnRJAfY
Anna, did you hear what Van said about the comments they are getting (at the
beginning of the video) about clicker training?
I had planned on watching this at work tomorrow. I'm off on
The farrier says that Charm looks a little more mature
right now. Yes, she does look less baby-ish; it seems
she's bulked up somewhat, almost over night.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
Newly Discovered Shock Absorber in the Equine Foot
By Pete Ramey
Important note: These are just preliminary observations. They are my
interpretation after several conversations about it with Dr. Bowker. The
completed research project is coming eventually, but people who went to his
last clinic
The farrier says that Charm looks a little more mature right now. Yes,
she does look less baby-ish; it seems she's bulked up somewhat, almost over
night.
I noticed that in her last videos. Ima, who shares a birthday with Charm,
has also turned into a mare. What happened to my baby?! She's
On 26/11/2007, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The farrier says that Charm looks a little more mature
right now. Yes, she does look less baby-ish; it seems
she's bulked up somewhat, almost over night.
We've noticed that here lately. Solon seems to have grown overnight.
When Dagur was 4
Is this sudden growth unusual between 4 and 5 years?
Sina and Bjola broadened a lot until they were 7 or 8 - Skjoni too. I should
find that picture of Trausti right after he came. He was a tiny thing at five
compared to what he is now.
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
No virus found
Today, Andi rode with another horse for the first time
since leaving the trainer's on Nov. 1. He has been
doing wonderful going out by himself, and today, all
but one of our little group of Nag Hags bailed for
different reasons (including my mother). The one lady
down the street who was going to
I have thought about what we consider resistance and I wonder if it isn't
the basic nature of horses and ponies to resist pressure.
Yrsa is young and has had minimal training. If I push on her side to move
her over in the barn, her first and instinctive reaction is to push back. I
can make
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