tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's something Qt on the Mac does automatically. You have to go to some
> trouble to prevent it.
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 7:55:42 PM UTC-4 andyjim wrote:
>
>> OK, in Mac the menu bar is at top of screen, not in the Leo window. True
>>
andyjim wrote:
> Thanks Edward and tbp1 (Thomas, is it?)
> I just rolled the dice and figured it shouldn't hurt to just install again.
> I used: python -m pip install Leo
> It ran through install apparently without a hitch
> I launched with: leo (not ``leo``)
> Leo launched, but no
Thanks Edward and tbp1 (Thomas, is it?)
I just rolled the dice and figured it shouldn't hurt to just install again.
I used: python -m pip install Leo
It ran through install apparently without a hitch
I launched with: leo (not ``leo``)
Leo launched, but no menu bar. Also got TypeError. Here is
don't have
record of the breakdown of those two install attempts.
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 7:06:44 AM UTC-4 Edward K. Ream wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 7:46 AM andyjim wrote:
>
> > Leo seems like a tough road for a non-techie.
>
> My apologies. It shouldn'
-
I am not a techie, but I want to try using Leo as an organizer. I may
try building something like Johnny Decimal type indexing in Leo to organize
files, and use an external app for my actual journaling (Bike Outliner),
since as I understand it Leo can organize files
using it. How to fix that is not something I
> can answer.
>
> It could be time to go to the Homebrew site and ask how to straighten this
> out. Alternatively maybe the Python site might be a good choice. Someone
> there probably knows a lot about installing with Homebrew on a Mac.
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:39 PM UTC-5 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
> You left off the "m":
>
> python3.9 -m leo.core.runLeo
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 10:39:21 AM UTC-5 andyjim wrote:
>
>> Andrews-iMac:~ jam$ python3.9 - leo.core.runLeo
>&
so I did "help()", then, "modules" and got long list but nothing called
"leo"
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 10:39:21 AM UTC-5 andyjim wrote:
> Andrews-iMac:~ jam$ python3.9 - leo.core.runLeo
> Python 3.9.1 (v3.9.1:1e5d33e9b9, Dec 7 2020, 12:44:01)
supposed to happen here
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 9:51:45 AM UTC-5 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-5 andyjim wrote:
>
>> Despite the glitch with pip, it appears I have python3.9, so I went ahead
>>> with:
>>>
>>
sorry about the mess there, I don't know how to edit after I've posted
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 9:27:42 AM UTC-5 andyjim wrote:
> Especially us newbies! Thanks all. Here's what I've got so far:
>
> Andrews-iMac:~ jam$ python3.6 -m pip list -bash: python3.6: command not
> f
Especially us newbies! Thanks all. Here's what I've got so far:
Andrews-iMac:~ jam$ python3.6 -m pip list -bash: python3.6: command not
found Andrews-iMac:~ jam$ python3.7 -m pip list -bash: python3.7: command
not found Andrews-iMac:~ jam$ python3.9 -m pip list Package Version
pip 20.2.3
lled, the file might show up on the recent
> files list - and you might recognize the file name there. Actually, maybe
> the recent file list is still there and uncorrupted:
>
> ~/.leo/.leoRecentFiles.txt
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 10:50:17 PM UTC
no, my files were/are in Users/jam/.leo There are a few .leo files there,
but the only one that might be it (the primary file I wrote in since March)
has only March entries in it. Confusing. Mac Finder says it was created,
last modified and last opened at 7:39pm on March 31. Seems strange.
no, my files were/are in Users/jam/.leo There are a few .leo files there,
but the only one that might be it (the primary file I wrote in since March)
has only March entries in it. Confusing. Mac Finder says it was created,
last modified and last opened at 7:39pm on March 31. Seems strange.
$ leo gives: jam$ leo
-bash: /usr/local/bin/leo: /usr/local/opt/python/bin/python3.7: bad
interpreter: No such file or directory
On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:41:31 PM UTC-5 andyjim wrote:
> I may have lost python. $ python --version yields: Python 2.7.14 ::
> Anaconda, Inc.
>
ays the backups :)
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 7:42:01 PM UTC-5 andyjim wrote:
>
>> I updated brew. It took an hour or more. After the smoke cleared, Leo
>> was gone. Would not launch (from icon), and I get this error:
>> /usr/local/opt/python/bin/python3.7 /u
I updated brew. It took an hour or more. After the smoke cleared, Leo was
gone. Would not launch (from icon), and I get this error:
/usr/local/opt/python/bin/python3.7 /usr/local/bin/leo
-bash: /usr/local/opt/python/bin/python3.7: No such file or directory
Likely I have made things worse in
I closed and reopened Leo. Should have thought to try that. It worked.
btheado I'm on an iMac. I must have done something to cause it, but I dunno
what.
Thanks,
Andy
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All was well this morning, but just now when I came back to Leo I find the
font size in the bodies of all nodes has shrunk to unreadably small size.
Text in the node headings is ok. This is only for one of six files I have
open. The other five files are as usual.
I do not know how to correct
On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 3:30:32 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> Probably not. If you hadn't saved the outline after the delete, then you
> could have closed it without saving and then reloaded it again. You would
> have lost your work since the last save, but the node would have
On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
>
> delete-node is undoable, so undo should recover the node.
>
> Edward
>
It says "Can't undo". No help from "Refresh from disk" or "Revert to
saved"?
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On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 10:25:25 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
>
> Deleting a node is undoable. If you then close Leo, the only way to undo
> your change is git checkout.
>
> Edward
>
I have not closed Leo since deleting, and I have not saved the file since
deleting. So is that node
I deleted a node I didn't mean to delete.
I assume revert/refresh is the way to recover that, but what is the
difference between "Refresh from disk" and "Revert to saved"?
Or is there a direct way to recover it? (can't undo)
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On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 3:43:08 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> A zettel thought experiment.
> ...
> So in about five minutes we have wandered from a dinner recipe to paleo
> history to philosophical questions about the meaning and stability of
> sensory perceptions. We've actually come
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 10:07:00 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> The line of "=" characters marks a section break, the text in brackets
> becomes the title, and the date speaks for itself. The number of "="
> characters in a line doesn't matter as long as 1) the line starts with an
>
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:07:09 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> We've got that by means of the Leo outline structure. The proximity and
> nesting of the Leo nodes fills exactly the same function.
>
Somehow I don't see it as quite the same thing. The outline structure is
hierarchical
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:26:17 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> So you will need to have some degree of consistency in the syntax and
> planning of what you write and in your working procedures.
>
Yes, I am aware that the different elements of the zettel must conform
strictly to
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:54:59 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:
>
>
> I think Zettelkasten people tend to say the automated UID system plus the
> tags system fulfills the purpose of this, but I don't think it does. ...
> The branched threads represented stepwise, connected
I've begun to use it.
And already I see that I could use a command to slap a UID into an already
existing zettel that doesn't yet have one. I can do it (and have done it)
by making a new zettel and copy-pasting the body of the old one to the new
one, then delete the old, but that's a bit
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> I changed the hot keys to Ctrl+F8. Ctrl+F7, Ctrl+F6. They don't seem to
> conflict with either the OS hot keys, or Leo key assignments. According to
> what @Austin(Xu)Wang wrote above, you might have to edit them to use
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 12:36:28 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> The commands work on linux (and I was able to remove some unnecessary
> code). The problem seems to be that Linux intercepts Alt-F8 and Alt-F7 for
> its own purposes (like resizing a window). Presumably it's more or less
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:36:29 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> This one is easy to adjust. You would put another setting into
> MyLeoSettings.py with the time format you want. If you like, myself or
> someone could write down the string format for your particular format. The
>
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:30:58 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> Paste the code above into this new node. The new node has be a child of
> an @settings node in either your MyLeoSettings.leo file or your ZK leo
> file, so move it as needed. Then reload the settings. The hot-key
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:28:27 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> From my reading, he immediately numbered it. Then he added links to other
> likely zettels. And then he got into the writing. He didn't write these
> slips quickly, but only after mulling over temporary notes he
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:31:34 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> Here's what I've been doing, and I find it very unobtrusive. I create a
> new node where I want it, using the usual -I. Of course, I type in
> the node's name as usual. Then -F8, -F7. I hardly notice I'm
> doing
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 5:52:09 AM UTC-5, Marcel Franke wrote:
>
> I have a function bind to a key doing that and can confirm, it's very
> useful to have a new entry generated and focused instantly.
> I also let it search the proper node in the my prefered leo-file, so it
> will always
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:11:20 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> That's up in the air for me. Should it represent the creation time or the
> last-modified time? @AndyJim sounded like he'd like to use a last-modified
> time, because he likes to see what
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 5:24:19 AM UTC-5, Marcel Franke wrote:
>
>
> Yes, for some reasons there is a cargo-cult growing around Luhmann and
> his knowledge-system.
> Which is kinda strange, as it's really not that special and we today have
> many better systems in use.
>
I really
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:05:32 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> Granted, you can't easily get a listing of all the tags - until we have a
> zettelkasten plugin that can create one - but you could maintain a zettel
> that only contains the tag names. It would be almost as good.
>
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 9:38:53 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> I decided to have the link meta-lines have optional labels, because they
> help you know which links goes where. In the older paper-based system,
> identifiers generally looked like [...]
>
> Using an optional label
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:51:40 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:22:56 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>>
>>
>> Excellent. Working code (or in this case, a working outline), is worth
>> gazillions of words and requirements :-) Much easier to
On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:09:33 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> So I say we're ready to rock and roll!
>
Wonderful! Didn't expect z-day anything like so soon. I look forward to
starting.
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>
>
> When I was working my way through this, I got the panes into some
> arrangement that was unusable and I couldn't recover from. The remedy is
> to delete Leo's "*db*" directory (thanks to @ekr for this). This will
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:32:24 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> The next step is to drag the panes by their title bars where you want
> them...One of these docking areas is on the right. The body pane should
> already be in it, if you put that *@setting* node in and restarted
I haven't managed to find how. I want my default to be outline tree on the
left, body on the right, no log window, no render window. But I want to
know the ropes so I can modify that as desired. I'm sure it's in the docs
somewhere but I haven't put my finger on it. Thanks.
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I look forward to getting into this. So on the Leo side I need to start
setting up a heading structure. I also need to learn about Leo tags. And
start learning some RsT and write some zettels at least for testing.
It's looking interesting.
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 11:19:33 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
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>
> Cool! That's one thing about Leo - it can do so many things, but it can be
> hard to discover them. Maybe a zettelkasten?
>
Yes! Zettelkasten is a bottom-up, self-organizing, multi-faceted
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 11:35:05 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been spending some time with my bookmark manager again,
>
> Thomas, is your bookmarks manager available to 'the general public'? I am
terrible with bookmarks. No organization at all, and (after taking up
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 8:08:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> Sure, I understand. And I wasn't thinking about delineating the different
> pieces by date so much as automatically extracting them. Sounds like that
> won't work.
>
> However, having the dates in the zettels would
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
> I just found the MindForger project. This actually looks like it might do
> a lot of what we like, and very nicely. It used to be a Linux app, but now
> there's a Windows installer too (Actually, it's a QT5 project).
I tried it briefly years ago too, and don't recall why I quit. I think it
did have bugs at that time.
What format are files stored in?
Is it 'forward compatible'?
I haven't yet downloaded the free version now, but very much like the
capability of a variety of types of links. That's a big
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:08:54 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
> Could you send me an example file? It you typed in a date, you probably
> did it in a more or less standard way, and maybe we can automate getting it
> out without you having to handle each and every file.
> BTW, how
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:13:03 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>
>
>>
>> 7. Time Stamp
>> agreed generally. I do want date of origin, and I would like modification
>> dates as well. The vast bulk of my zettels will be extracted from archived
>> files, so I will have to manually
If anyone wants me to put this in an attached file instead of verbose here,
I'll do that. I know I get lengthy.
-
FLOW
It would necessarily be over-simplification, but perhaps the aim of a
zettelkasten in software could be rolled into one word: flow.
We want a system that triggers, creates,
Let me know if I should put this in an attached file instead, and I'll do
it. Pretty long.
1. No Lockin
agreed
2. Text Files
agreed
3. Simple Section Demarkations
For distraction-free creative/productive activity I'd like to be able to
optionally see only the text body, or, (and maybe the
Thank you Edward, that helps. I can sense that I'm not going to really get
it until I do it and find the real world benefits in my own world. I will
begin.
So a child, through cloning, can also be parent of its parent?
And a sibling can also be parent of another sibling?
If I grasp this
>
> > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote:
>
> > > The thread you started long ago moved away from the preceding
> > > desire. Your preceding desire should be very easy to accomplish
> > > using the same method VimOutliner accomplished it: Use executable
> > >
Well, this gives me a lot to think about. I've been more or less assuming
the idea of one zettel/one node as being a limiting one, but perhaps it's
the opposite, given all the capabilities of a node, hardly any of which I
am familiar with. And that's what I need to do: dig in and get familiar
A node for each zettel? Thousands of them?
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Thanks for being patient with this non-programmer. And I'm glad I stumbled
in here and stumbled upon the right person who has a personal interest in
Zettelkasten. Are we more or less caught up now? Have I answered all
questions where you wanted my responses? What's next step? Any other
Speaking for myself, with my use case, where the system is for thoughts, I
want as little clutter and distraction as possible, which is the main
reason I’ve never even used markdown. When I’m thinking and writing my
thoughts, I don’t want to have to think about anything at all but writing
Seems this issue needs a lot of thought. Niklas Luhmann's zettels had
numerical ID numbers, without textual clues as to their content. And it
was a paper system. And he certainly didn't work by remembering filenames
(he had 75,000 zettels). I don't think it could have worked with textual,
:26 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thomas, tell me if this is an inappropriate suggestion, but I wonder if
>> this thread has pretty much played out its level of pertinence and interest
>> to the Leo community, since it's not directly about Leo and may be on a
&
attached is my first draft for a zettel format.
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proceed here. Thanks much to all. I never expected this much when I
walked in here. I definitely want to take this as far as it can go.
Andy
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 1:30:36 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
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>
>
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 10:30:26 PM UTC-5, a
st open it in your browser at that address.
>
> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:36:59 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas, sorry for my ignorance but what do I nee
Thomas, I will respond to your notes, and I'm working on a concise
description of my envisioned system.
On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 2:01:16 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
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> Here's another potentially useful paper -
>
> http://people.csail.mit.edu/msbernst/papers/p337-vankleek.pdf
>
> The
On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:06 PM andyjim >
> wrote:
>
> Sure wish I were a programmer. Sometimes I've thought maybe I should dive
>> into programming just to gain the skills to build this myself, but
:
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sure wish I were a programmer. Sometimes I've thought maybe I should
>> dive into programming just to gain the skills to build this myself, but I
>> think that's likely way too ambit
Thank you again Edward. I wandered in here shyly with an idea I didn't
think would get much attention. And it still may not warrant or deserve a
lot of interest here. Also the Leo community is about to begin work on 6.2
so I expect there isn't time to spare on something like this.
Thomas, thank you for devoting some time to thinking about this. It's more
than I could reasonably expect. Tried to PM you but seems it didn't go
through. I agree that files need to be plain text or markdown, even though
undoubtedly a database-based system would offer advantages. The 'no
Another dumb question (I've got a million of 'em, but sorry to take up
bandwidth with them).
I see how to send a private message, and have done so, but that message
'disappeared', so I cannot review it and don't know if the intended
recipient got it. The intended recipient has posted again in
ground and not tie it up (should work on any 'nix machine).
> Any messages from the background app still print to the terminal so it can
> get messy, but at least it still available for use.
>
> -matt
>
>
> On Thursday, 30 January 2020 16:48:28 UTC-8, andyjim wrote:
>>
>&g
nother terminal
> session, that terminal will be free,and not be tied up waiting for Leo to
> terminate.
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 7:48:28 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:
>>
>> Really dumb question, I know. MacOS system. I'd like to launch Leo from
>> the launch
Really dumb question, I know. MacOS system. I'd like to launch Leo from
the launch bar instead of from terminal (which is the only way I know to
launch it). But it ties up the terminal so I can't use it for anything else
while Leo is running (not that I use terminal much, but occasionally),
will shortly be more of a
Zetteler than I currently am. My learning pace is slow.
Andy
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 11:35:21 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote:
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>
>
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 10:45:58 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks to all. I'v
tool.
That said, if anyone feels moved to look into it, I'll offer a few links to
introduce the basic concept.
On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 6:58:25 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:46 PM andyjim >
> wrote:
>
> I want to put in a plug here for so
Many thanks to all. I've only just now got back to this thread and
gratified to see tips have kept coming in. It will take me awhile to check
all these out but it looks good indeed.
I want to put in a plug here for someone to undertake a robust Zettelkasten
plugin for Leo. I think
I'm a journaler, a note-taker, not a programmer. I've looked for years for
the right organizer for notes. I now think Zettelkasten is it, but haven't
found a Zettelkasten program that seems adequate. I'm a very raw beginner
with Leo, but I'll venture that Leo would be the perfect platform for
years to get really comfortable with it. Now I spend most of
> my time at my computer in Leo.
>
> HTH,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 6:14 PM andyjim >
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chris, your comments are encouraging. But I do not know how to
>> in
for the (non-programming) beginner. If there is such an entry
path ("Complete dummies start here!") I'd be grateful to be pointed in that
direction.
Andy
On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:45:08 PM UTC-5, Chris George wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:36 PM andyj
Thank you Lewis. Unfortunately I do not know how to open this file in
Leo. Maybe some day I'll figure it out. Somehow I fail to find
instructions how to do the simple things: Open a file. Enable and use a
plugin, or even a directive. I've tried some things but haven't got off
the ground.
Uh, complete newbie here, and I feel like I'm walking into a high end
programmers convention here and raising my hand red-faced to ask for a bit
of kindergarten help. Everything in this forum is Greek to me. I am NOT a
programmer. Repeat: I am not a programmer.
My intended usage for Leo is
ructions would work on Linux and I
> have no reason to think they would not work on a Mac, but I have zero
> experience with Macs and could be wrong.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 6:48 AM, andyjim <andy...@gmail.com >
> wrote:
>
>&
, pdfs, video and audio files using the
> same concepts. It keeps me organized. It keeps me productive.
>
> I encourage you to "give it a shake". I would also evangelize for Linux,
> but that is an entirely different story. :-)
>
> Welcome aboard,
>
> Chris
>
Thanks Geoff. I'm afraid my rank ignorance is still hampering me here.
I've installed Anaconda, though I have no idea what it's for or what to do
with it other than have it. I've downloaded Leo 5.6 from SourceForge but
not sure what to do next. Unzip it? Where? What else do I need to do
I want an IDE/organizer for thoughts, ideas, journaling, writing. I have
hundreds of past files of journals/thoughts to parse and organize plus my
ongoing thinking/journaling addiction. Only thing I know of that may be
close is Zettelkasten, but I haven’t dug into that yet, and don’t know
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