At 11:21 PM -0500 on 1/21/99, Budrocket wrote:
And who wants to be signed now that you can buy your own CD burner and
laser printer and print up CDs as you need them, at the rate you need
them, etc?
Danny Barnes is doing just this -- burning 100 copies of his new releases
and selling 'em
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against
line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun.
Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a sawdust covered floor in a
bitty roadhouse with a jukebox outside Pinetop, AZ, circa 1970.
LR
As I have said many
Terry A. Smith wrote:
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against
line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun.
Dancing in part at least at its best involves flirting and enjoying your partners
presence. It's a game and a wonderful suggestive game at
At 08:18 AM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote: I would just like to say that I
do not understand what everybody has against line dancing. I think it's
a lot of fun. Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a
sawdust covered floor in a bitty roadhouse with a jukebox outside
Pinetop, AZ,
, why does anyone still
*want* to be signed?
Bob
[Matt Benz] Cocaine, pills, good pot, port and brandy, Parties
in Hollywood, Lear Jets Custom Coaches, Stadium shows, Getting to say
"My good friend Elton John," Bimbos, Starlets Models!, That photo in
Rolling Stone with a confused
The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to
square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve
grab-assin'; I guess that makes them evil and soulless.
Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
And who wants to be signed now that you can buy your own CD burner and
laser printer and print up CDs as you need them, at the rate you need
them, etc?
I was talking recently to someone who has an indie album that's sold
several thousand and a self-release that's only sold about 1,000.
In a message dated 1/21/99 8:04:34 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to
square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve
grab-assin'; I guess that makes them evil and soulless.
No,
Jon Weisberger wrote:
The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to
square dancing and flat footin', neither of which typically involve
grab-assin'
. . . which reminds me of the most serious grab-assin' I've
ever seen at any gig. It was during a local country
I missed this one, but Jon, line dancing is about as far from square dancing (not
talking modern western stuff here) and flat footin' as you can get.
Jim N.
"Jon Weisberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21 8:03 AM
The criticisms of line-dancing offered so far apply just about as well to
square
Junior writes:
Apparently this person is already in the black on the self-release,
whereas the indie still claims it hasn't recouped on sales 5 or 6
times that high
And that's an indie. The break-even point at a major would probably
be another five or six times higher than *that*, if
At 08:55 AM 1/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
this is an old discussion, so I brought up my old answer. you've seen it
before, but because I am holding the baby (baby says goo- i think that
means hi) i will repost this.
Sorry Jeff, joking or not, you are just wrong about this.
Reading all these
Well, Lianne's already said some of what I was going to say, but...
I missed this one, but Jon, line dancing is about as far from
square dancing (not talking modern western stuff here) and flat
footin' as you can get.
I didn't say they were the same, I said the criticisms of line-dancing
Great article in the Washington Post day befor yeaterday about the Booty
Call, a new kinda line dance popular with the Black Community. Don't have
the URL, but a search through http://www.washingtonpost.com/ should turn
it up.
I was struck by how folks who dig the Booty Call don't seem to take
Jeff Wall on line dancing -- Have you ever considered writing some of those
male/female communication books like "Women are from Venus and Men are from
Mars" -- I think you might be able to do a good job and make a shitload of
money selling them to the redneck market g
Deb
Laughing her butt
At 03:24 PM 1/21/99 EST, you wrote:
Jeff Wall on line dancing -- Have you ever considered writing some of those
male/female communication books like "Women are from Venus and Men are from
Mars" -- I think you might be able to do a good job and make a shitload of
money selling them to the redneck
Lianne McNeil wrote:
.Sorry Jeff, joking or not, you are just wrong about this.
Reading all these anti-line dance rants reminds me of our parents
(or grandparents, for some of you) who claimed that rock music was the
devil's music.
Well, yah. And they were RIGHT!
You're sounding like
Hm. OK, you performing types -- and I know there's a few on the list
--knowing what we know about being signed, the infamous Steve Albini
thingand Jimmie Dale Gilmore's debt to Elektra and all, why does anyone
still*want* to be signed?Bob
Q: Well, if you hate shovelling elephant shit so
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Budrocket wrote:
Q: Well, if you hate shovelling elephant shit so much, why don't you get another job?
A: What, and give up SHOW BUSINESS??!!
"Being a comedian is pretty rough, I haven't worked in three years!"
"Why don't you quit the business?"
"What? How would I
And who wants to be signed now that you can buy your own CD burner
and laser printer and print up CDs as you need them, at the rate you
need them, etc?Danny Barnes is doing just this --
burning 100 copies of his new releasesand selling 'em for $25. They're
selling out. But the problem
It's late, but never too late to grab some passionate inspiration off the P2
list before hitting the sack. Thanks Jeff W. and Smilin' Jim C.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Moran/Vargo
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 5:31 PM
To: passenger side
Subject: Re: Americana guesswork
Some country version of Marilyn Manson or
Rob Zombie might be able to briefly pull it off
I'm not saying it's inevitable by any means. But so far, every claim
that it can't ignores the fact that right now it *is* happening in
another genre, and every reason for the claim that it can't happen is
countered by that swing revival. A lot of things have to come together,
but
... one thing Swing and Rockabilly has going for it that
alt-country doesn't is the whole fashion aspect, which allows listeners to
participate in a whole other way.
When was the last time you saw somebody walking down the street and could
tell right away that they were an alt-country fan?
Tom
In a message dated 99-01-19 23:50:40 EST, Jeff writes:
Support your local musician, promote this music every chance you get. The
only way this stuff is ever going to grow will be through Grass Roots
(Grass Roots? my god, I sound like a fucking communist!) It won't ever be
big with the
Good Bob Soron:
I'm not saying it's inevitable by any means. But so far, every claim
that (alt-country) can't (get huge) ignores the fact that right now it
*is* happening in
another genre, and every reason for the claim that it can't happen is
Kip writes:Although mutton chop sideburns might qualify for a Look,
standing aloof in the back of the bar with a bottle of Bud doesn't make
much a Dance.
That depends on the kind of hat you're wearing, doesn't it? g
Have you ever been to Texas? When the Derailers played Saturday night there
were
Meanwhile, I think it was the great early alt.country artist Hank Thoreau
(of Hank Thoreau and the Deliberate Suburbanites) who said "avoid all
enterprises requiring acquisition of new clothes."
Barry M.
I liked his second album best, "Mom's Buying the Groceries (But Emerson's
Buying the
Smilin' Jim (Jim, why are you always smilin'?) writes:
That depends on the kind of hat you're wearing, doesn't it? g
Have you ever been to Texas? When the Derailers played Saturday night there
were hundreds of people dancing. Of course it *is* kinda hard to dance to
Son Volt.
Kip writes:Although mutton chop sideburns might qualify for a Look,
standing aloof in the back of the bar with a bottle of Bud doesn't make
much a Dance.
Smilin' Jim (Jim, why are you always smilin'?) writes:
That depends on
Neal Weiss wrote:
Jeez, I wouldn't wish that type of pressure on any band. Besides, I don't
think one can even find good enough odds to place a bet on such a thing.
Nirvana was a total freak of nature, a lot of talent and timing came into
play, but none of it, I don't believe was ever
JP Cold Spring wrote:
Of course, what we really need is our own Nirvana.
You mean like ANGRY JOHNNY THE KILLBILLIES?
g
Kip Loui wrote
But see, that's the thing...there's never going to be an
"Alt-Country Nirvana" because fifteen year-olds don't generally listen to
Steve Earle or Dale Watson
Kip writes: (Jim, why are you always smilin'?)
It's either the drugs or the atmosphere here in Austin.
That and the fact that I'm secretly in love with Babooski.
Jim, smilin'
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...But really, do I
care if Jay Farrar never sells 1,000,000 copies of anything? As long as
he can make a living in this silly business, I suspect he'll be
reasonably content and will continue making music.
Kip
And that's the key,
At 05:30 PM 1/20/1999 -0600, you wrote:
Hm. OK, you performing types -- and I know there's a few on the list --
knowing what we know about being signed, the infamous Steve Albini thing
and Jimmie Dale Gilmore's debt to Elektra and all, why does anyone still
*want* to be signed?
Bob
Good
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against
line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun.
Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a sawdust covered floor in a
bitty roadhouse with a jukebox outside Pinetop, AZ, circa 1970.
LR
At 08:10 PM 1/20/1999 EST, you wrote:
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against
line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun.
Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a sawdust covered floor in a
bitty roadhouse with a jukebox outside Pinetop, AZ, circa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against
line dancing. I think it's a lot of fun.
Disco. Crappy music from records, and it looks dopey.
Stuart
who confesses to getting suckered by the dancin fool into line dance lessons. I
had
At 06:39 PM 1/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
At 08:10 PM 1/20/1999 EST, LindaRay wrote:
I would just like to say that I do not understand what everybody has against line
dancing. I think it's a lot of fun.
Two-stepping, too. Brings back fond memories of a sawdust covered floor in a bitty
roadhouse
Geff King writes:
You know, working on the fringes of the environmental industry as I do,
the term 'sustainable development' comes up a lot. Makes me think
of 'Americana' as perhaps a sustainable form of music - just enough
popularity and acclaim to let artists make a living without having to
At 07:03 PM 1/20/1999 -0800, you wrote:
Gong! (bad joke) g The Achy Breaky Heart line dance went out of
fashion about 5 years ago. And contrary to popular "opinion," Billy
Ray was not the originator of line dancing. (Ex: The Electric Slide has
been around so long... it was probably being
There's a story developing here regarding the current state of
"Americana."
(TM)Who's going to write it? (c'mon Mr. Slack - tell it like it is)
Caution: the following are assumptions, though I suspect close to the truth:
Someone probably wanted Americana to still be Americana - in other words,
There's a story developing here regarding the current state of
"Americana."
(TM)Who's going to write it? (c'mon Mr. Slack - tell it like it is)
Caution: the following are assumptions, though I suspect close to the truth:
Someone probably wanted Americana to still be Americana - in other words,
Actually, I agree with Mr. Riedie (and Yates, for that matter).
The term "Americana" has proven itself to be too vague to mean much to
listeners; it seems to denote singer-songwriter types, if anything. So as
much as the term "Alt-Country" makes me groan, I be happier seeing it used
than
going
to blow it open. I have no idea why I am typing this. Oh well.
-Original Message-
From: JP Riedie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Americana guesswork
There's a story developing here regarding the current state o
But see, that's the thing...there's never going to be an
"Alt-Country Nirvana" because fifteen year-olds don't generally listen to
Steve Earle or Dale Watson or even the Old 97's. Let's face it, folks:
this P2 bag, this Americana/Alt-Country/Roots-Rock thing that gets
discussed here?
Of course, what we really need is our own Nirvana. After hearing a bit of
their new recordings and considering their slight but important impact at
mainstream country with "California Angel" I'm thinking maybe The
Derailers are the right horse on which to bet.
Therein lies the problem. The
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But see, that's the thing...there's never going to be an
"Alt-Country Nirvana" because fifteen year-olds don't generally listen to
Steve Earle or Dale Watson or even the Old 97's. Let's face it, folks:
this P2 bag, this
I'm counting on everyone to stop wishing alt-country will "blow open,"
since the continual frustration of that hope seems to me to be causing
some of the genre's stalwarts to falter a bit. There'll be events like
Lucinda's much-hyped (but not so much bought) 1998, but I
My thinking is that Gavin should take advantage of the widespread disgust
and disillusionment with country radio (which truly is the root of all evil
Tell it brother! The declining numbers for country radio should be the
writing on the wall but it seems as if everyone with any power has
I tend to agree with JP that the "Tupelo" vein of twangy
alt-rock was never destined to break big, but should be distinguished from
the Austin-and-elsewhere style of *country* outside the Nasvegas
mainstream. This latter vein, to my mind, is another thing altogether,
and something that with
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, BARNARD wrote:
I tend to agree with JP that the "Tupelo" vein of twangy
alt-rock was never destined to break big, but should be distinguished from
the Austin-and-elsewhere style of *country* outside the Nasvegas
mainstream. This latter vein, to my mind, is another
I'm counting on everyone to stop wishing alt-country will "blow open,"
since the continual frustration of that hope seems to me to be causing
some of the genre's stalwarts to falter a bit. There'll be events like
Lucinda's much-hyped (but not so much bought) 1998, but I think
But see, that's the thing...there's never going to be an
"Alt-Country Nirvana" because fifteen year-olds don't generally listen to
Steve Earle or Dale Watson or even the Old 97's. Let's face it, folks:
this P2 bag, this Americana/Alt-Country/Roots-Rock thing that gets
discussed here? It's
JP writes:
2) I'm not talking about Son Volt et al. I'm talking about
converting teenagers already into country from crapola to good
country etc Kind of like Dwight, Clint, Randy and Steve saved
country from Kenny Rogers in 1986 (of course Garth ruined all that.)
JP writes:
2) I'm not talking about Son Volt et al. I'm talking about
converting teenagers already into country from crapola to good
country etc Kind of like Dwight, Clint, Randy and Steve saved
country from Kenny Rogers in 1986 (of course Garth ruined all that.)
ok, but how many teenagers are there who are into any kinda country?
anyone know? does Garth have a teenaged audience? did Dwight Randy?
Garth and Shania are about the only ones with sizable teen audiences but I
am amazed at how many youngsters know and love the music my band covers
At 07:17 PM 1/19/1999 -0500, you wrote:
JP writes:
ok, but how many teenagers are there who are into any kinda country?
anyone know? does Garth have a teenaged audience? did Dwight Randy?
i'm genuinely curious.
verbose this aft,
carl w.
I don't
At 06:34 PM 1/19/1999 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe if Nashville gave them something with at least a whiff of rebellion
BINGO!
JP Riedie wrote:
Maybe the next revolution ("the Austin takeover" is what I like to call it)
will energize
disaffected country fans AND bring in bored rock fans who can't seem to get
their heads around hip-hop.
Hey I was just talking to someone about "The Austin" connection. My
Of course, what we really need is our own Nirvana. After hearing a
bit of
their new recordings and considering their slight but important impact
at
mainstream country with "California Angel" I'm thinking maybe The
Derailers are the right horse on which to bet.
"Alt country"(which are the
In a message dated 1/19/99 1:17:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, music@cold-
spring.com writes:
Of course, what we really need is our own Nirvana. After hearing a bit of
their new recordings and considering their slight but important impact at
mainstream country with "California Angel" I'm
WOW.
I've been away from my computer most of the day, so I'm sorry I didn't get
to participate in this dialog. But, hell, it looks like I opened a pretty
big can o'worms. g
I don't have time to address all the good points that have been made, right
now, but I like Jamie's idea: "Maybe they
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...But really, do I care if Jay Farrar never sells 1,000,000 copies of
anything? As long as he can make a living in this silly business,
I suspect he'll be reasonably content and will continue making music.
At 8:30 PM -0500 on 1/19/99, Tom Moran wrote:
"Alt country"(which are the worst two words in the English language to mass
market anything) or whatever you want to call it covers such a wide
spectrum of musical tastes that I don't think there can ever be the kind of
general consensus
needed to
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