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as I'm sure it can be
managed if essential, but the 'difference' may also be legitimate and pulling
that apart at the moment is an even more interesting problem.
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maintains a source tag
of the relevant layer, then we can see what has come from that source, and can
hopefully over time develop a 'history' of the imports objects into the base
'layer' and archive deleted data into an historic layer.
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is your 'raw data' layer, in which case there should
be a 'version select' or your staging layer?
We are missing tools to make all this work, but they are the same tools world
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It doesn't actually make any difference to me personally
- I only_use_ OSM data for the UK, where we don't have imports
Yet ;)
I want to get the border layer stuff working directly from the import rather
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files are the 'staging layer' and I'm sure that since you are
providing each building as a shape then in the future it should be possible to
maintain a 'building_id' that can be used with the sort of merge tools I am
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to manually select objects to import would
provide that check? So I'd block any area select function, so that hundreds of
objects can't simply be picked and pushed?
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* *Now that I understand what is going on, I can see where some off the
'extra' lines come from, and the diagonal is probably due to a boundary detail
from changing sheets.
This is more often due to split of landuse ownership
still need to split and
add address data ...
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be imported? With a decent editor, one should be able to select the outline of
a block and simply import that ...
where did you see open building objects ?
I was referring to the extra line segments within the box ...
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unsubstantiated detail would at
least be a start.
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commercial buildings and if they are listed, local house
sales help add more detail.
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affect the ground plan, but if
anything, the buildings are offset OVER the missing roads. The church looks
nice, but google streetview only seems to cover the outer ring road :(
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a
little practice, and needs clean images, but France would benefit from a few
'cadastre' importers filling other details in the areas they are importing :(
Personally I would not be happy if *I* had uploaded some of the areas I'm
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that in my workflow :) In this case it would need a local survey to
ascertain access rights. We do not assume that where there is no data available.
Further west you will find that the firing ranges on Salisbury plains have some
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diagonal lines are removed. I get the
impression that this is a process that should be happening but not everybody is
'complying', so something needs to be done to re-educate those mappers to the
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of details like
that which I've not recorded properly, and certainly that level of detail is
missing on streetview )
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crib sheet only to find it needs updating, but I need to spend a
few more hours using it.
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Data Editor' ... yes we have to trust people, but are
the safeguards in place to cope with making that freely available? I work with
XML data and I would still be nervous editing it without the right tools!
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Pieren wrote:
- attribution lost in data extracts, planet (separate file for changesets)
ACTUALLY that is probably the killer?
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of configuration would that be accurate.
Perhaps all I am asking for is a 'default' set of tags that get added which I
have to change manually, but the DATA certainly is important, and tags like
'start_date' should be populated by default!
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and produce a
static DB of contributors from than (see Pascal Neis hdyc service) it
would be a bit more tricky to keep it up date automatically but
completely doable if you want to undertake the effort, more power to you.
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as intended, but on the
whole I don't think the data does anything to improve OSM :(
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as they have copied it from other peoples sites anyway?
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that
information in another website might well make us liable for prosecution, where
Google just ignore the problem?
I'll carry on looking at Streetview and filling in bits on OSM that Streetview
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Floris Looijesteijn wrote:
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
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Sorry, but in this case how the would they know if someone had cross
checked something against Streetview? There is NO need to make any mention
Floris Looijesteijn wrote:
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Only if they can prove that anonymous activity on one is directly related to
some identified activity on the other at an unrelated time ... I am sure a
court
at the moment ... There is an 'Easter Egg' list somewhere
isn't there? The important point here is I do NOT use information viewed on
Streetview if it is my ONLY source! I DO use it to establish any discrepancies
... I am looking for the Easter Eggs :)
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images anyway but Google still returns those years after they ceased to exist.
We can then provide up to date data but we are not allowed to say 'Wrong on
Streetview'?
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we are talking about comes under the same banner ... end of story. If
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, but the available tags
are currently providing that quite well. My own fine detail work is looking
similar to yours ...
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Kate Chapman wrote:
Does anyone have suggestions or a preference?
OpenStreetMap says it all.
As in Hi. We're OpenStreetMap. You may have heard of us.
I'd second that ... does not need any more
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nothing that needs money spending on it ...
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Simon Poole wrote:
Am 04.02.2013 10:21, schrieb Lester Caine:
OK - there is an 'official procedure' for dealing with copyright
infringement documented on
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure through
which even 'Cease and Desist' should be handled? It is normal practice
?
I suppose in reality that the raw data is something that is difficult to check,
but I'm a little surprised there has not been more activity relating to the
wiki. Perhaps it's a sign that all users are being responsible.
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way around a new editor when one is used to the idiosyncrasies of the existing
one is just going to mean I don't bother pushing quick fixes at all ...
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the pressure to change for spurious
reasons without having OPEN projects like OSM making the same demands :(
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Kevin Peat wrote:
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And some of us find the conditions G$ put on chrome is a reason NOT to have
anything to do with it. It's bad enough the pressure to change for spurious
reasons without having
to identify IF 'X' should be adopted as a default? That discussion should
take place here?
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to opengastromap.de to get proper restaurant information (unfortunately
Germany only)
It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site.
But a local 'portal' which provides all your locally enhanced feeds could get
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, better integrating osm.org with third
party sites) rather than building our very own corporate behemoth?
The short version of what I said
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to ensure that the various routing options do have the best
data to provide 'safe' information?
There are a couple of other items on the todo list, but I have the material to
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the problem is simply one of identifying who is making the mistakes?
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where in the world you are, especially if working from a random link. I think I
am looking for a 'location' box which also lists local websites and other
versions of the database? I'd include a link to an appropriate routing site as
part of the box.
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for the map direct and keep
wiki.openstreetmap.org as the documentation front page. http://switch2osm.org/
is actually a cleaner front end at the moment?
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missed that this was even being discussed so you are not alone!
And there's no attribution.
It would be nice since the other tile layers have attribution that the osm
sourced tiles had a similar tag if only to educate users!
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say 'here is a
tool - but you should never use it!'
And discussion on a more open platform would also be appreciated rather than on
development platforms that we do not subscribe to because we use different
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closer investigation.
Tom
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With the arrival of a 'new' set of controls, and the discussion on front
page, I feel
advantages
and disadvantages ... as well as quite regularly different routes for the same
journey. Which is why I'm looking into running my own engine which I can tailor
to my preferred 'short cuts' ...
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things that I'm naturally used to when
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will do it this way choice', and adding 'you can use right click' when many
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ACTUALLY need a map style selector on the front page rather than a single link
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for location pages and then switching to a router for directions -
now the two are so different that I need to rethink! That is the problem that
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, but will not even display properly on the
android tablet, which is why I was back with yours ... there was a nicely
functional suite of tools ... today some of the cross working is different ...
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an alternative which
matches! Perhaps I do have to switch back to Google :(
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On 07/22/2013 04:37 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
I've just had a 'complaint' from a web hosting customer who has spotted
the 'new' style and was confused as he was used to simply clicking on
the scale bar for a quick zoom in. Again holding 'shift' down does not
work on his
be helpful to be able to see when changes do cause problems and
if it's a change in the code or some external library?
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that takes a valuable resource to sort out ... time ... and it would be nice if
those who made the changes and understand how to do so passed it on so we can
change it back if we want?
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, and that would link in with promoting data
capture beyond the 'English speaking' core?
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'colourstrap' to get full colour icons back on a
project that has decided that 'bootstrap' is the bees knees. Those black icons
do grate next to a nice full colour map :(
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AJ Ashton wrote:
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The point I was trying to make is the fact that when one is supplied a link
one often does not know where in the world it is, especially the encrypted
ones. I asked
hash will address
both of these concerns.
Please try it out: http://hash.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/
That works reasonably well for me I'm used to seeing that sort of info from
the hover over links on the bottom of the browser, so having it stable is
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editor at the right location, where
they can join OSM and make updates
They are being signed up directly to OSM ...
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be already
available data? What am I missing here :) All of the searches I've pulled up
appear in the base map. Foursquare are the sort of third party use that
dovetails in nicely - not that I actually use it ...
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for the third party links. If
we promote this process with the likes of foursquare, then the primary POI will
be clean OSM data? It does not matter where in the world you are ...
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data into the
UK would hit a substantial number of existing locations? In other countries this
may not be the case and may be worth the exercise if more detailed material is
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interested groups could translate would make sense !!!
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be acceptable, but simply tagging a node is not the right way
to provide ALL of the information that would be useful when it comes to
micro-mapping the details?
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OSM has no way of including that data :(
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to highway=ford ... so that the way detail can be added?
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be taking note of the star_date and
end_date anyway ...
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for probably 99% of historic mapping
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to the main one ... I'd just be happy with the one I
was using ...
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since we have addresses from birth
certificates :)
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that I have in
historic data IS no longer physically present is the other 5% ... ( actually
probably 99.5 to 0.5 )
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unacceptable, and so it's perhaps deciding the rules moving forward that we need
to agree on initially?
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are really necessary, but if the information IS available,
then it would be nice to be able to include it?
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SteveC wrote:
In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. I
was just curious.
One thing that it does not show is what OS is being used. 'nokia' covers several
options, and I'm finding my N900 is actually quite a nice linux computer ...
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the same point
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