[AsburyPark] Re: Need Recommendation for HVAC - Central Air Conked out
When mine went out last year, I used and was happy with Midstate. They were very professional and explained everything. http://www.midstatehvac.com/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, newguysinasbury jim.heston@... wrote: Appreciate if anyone can recommend a good technician who can check our system, conked out on Sunday when we had a house full of guests! Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: housing...
I bought a condo in the NE section in 2004. It is down from what I paid, I am sure. Would be nice to see it come back a little more as I have wanted to move to be closer to work since 2008, but enjoying Asbury in the meantime. Fingers crossed! If I had to guess, it is down at least 12% --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: the past several months - several units have been sold in Wesley - up to about $700,000. the place remains full, more or less zero rentals. That sends a strong signal to make builders WANT to build what some people maybe looking for (the beach, the location etc). Things will continue to evolve - some win, some lose. That's life. Face it - not everyone can deal with Asbury - never have and never will. It's takes special people to plunk down a large chunk of money - to do so it takes some level of success. That's why there's other places to live. There have been some ncie opportunities in single and multifamily homes over the past few months that have quickly been picked up. Keep on watching as the older homes come back to life - hoepfully as single family homes - and projects are launched. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SALE OF YMCA BUILDING.......
You are right around to corner from me. I never heard shots like that w all doors and windows closed. I could feel the vibrations. Freaked me out to say the least. It has been bad since last summer --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: something odd is going on at the moment, maybe because the weather is warmer and people are coming out, i don't know i'm on 7th and i'm hearing a lot of noise at night, up and down the road, cars with super loud music, plus past couple of nights something has had the dogs barking in the night which they don't normally do - i think we've got people wandering the streets maybe trying doors or windows or something.. all i know is were being diligent about setting the alarm and keeping the phone close by at night On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Speaking of crime, I called th cops Monday night for shots fired. 7 or 8. I couldn't tell where they were. The cops showed up in a couple of mins and were in my yard with lights, and I was trying to explain that while I heard them here, they were not fired here, could have been blocks away. There was a shooting reported that night at 7pm, but what I heard was about 845pm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: there's only a couple more key buildings to go in AP. The Y is one. - 1411 Memorial Drive corner of 6th (I'm the lucky agent) down to $599,000. -corbos building - his 2nd - 3rd plus floors -One Press Plaza - Slott's building -Fox Paints (s/b saved) -Office supply (piano..) on Main across city hall -A remake/reuse of Lifestlyes would be nice - at least rear -eliminate the phoneix block or building -pave the first block east of all streets off kinglsey. like 2-4 ave. gonna need a hummer soon. -knock down the burned out garage apt behind some house on Asbury Ave. Just been sitting there. - green up asbury ave east of memorial. but first of all - keep on working the problems that are real. We went to cubacon last night around 7:30 - cop car heading full speed north on kinglsey.. we parked on ocean ave... cop who had bw beat had car parked on bw buy casino...he was hustling back to his car..had his w/talk up... while I was trying to get money into the meter... CAMERAS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SALE OF YMCA BUILDING.......
Speaking of crime, I called th cops Monday night for shots fired. 7 or 8. I couldn't tell where they were. The cops showed up in a couple of mins and were in my yard with lights, and I was trying to explain that while I heard them here, they were not fired here, could have been blocks away. There was a shooting reported that night at 7pm, but what I heard was about 845pm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: there's only a couple more key buildings to go in AP. The Y is one. - 1411 Memorial Drive corner of 6th (I'm the lucky agent) down to $599,000. -corbos building - his 2nd - 3rd plus floors -One Press Plaza - Slott's building -Fox Paints (s/b saved) -Office supply (piano..) on Main across city hall -A remake/reuse of Lifestlyes would be nice - at least rear -eliminate the phoneix block or building -pave the first block east of all streets off kinglsey. like 2-4 ave. gonna need a hummer soon. -knock down the burned out garage apt behind some house on Asbury Ave. Just been sitting there. - green up asbury ave east of memorial. but first of all - keep on working the problems that are real. We went to cubacon last night around 7:30 - cop car heading full speed north on kinglsey.. we parked on ocean ave... cop who had bw beat had car parked on bw buy casino...he was hustling back to his car..had his w/talk up... while I was trying to get money into the meter... CAMERAS. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SALE OF YMCA BUILDING.......
You are right around to corner from me. I never heard shots like that w all doors and windows closed. I could feel the vibrations. Freaked me out to say the least. It has been bad since last summer --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: something odd is going on at the moment, maybe because the weather is warmer and people are coming out, i don't know i'm on 7th and i'm hearing a lot of noise at night, up and down the road, cars with super loud music, plus past couple of nights something has had the dogs barking in the night which they don't normally do - i think we've got people wandering the streets maybe trying doors or windows or something.. all i know is were being diligent about setting the alarm and keeping the phone close by at night On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Speaking of crime, I called th cops Monday night for shots fired. 7 or 8. I couldn't tell where they were. The cops showed up in a couple of mins and were in my yard with lights, and I was trying to explain that while I heard them here, they were not fired here, could have been blocks away. There was a shooting reported that night at 7pm, but what I heard was about 845pm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: there's only a couple more key buildings to go in AP. The Y is one. - 1411 Memorial Drive corner of 6th (I'm the lucky agent) down to $599,000. -corbos building - his 2nd - 3rd plus floors -One Press Plaza - Slott's building -Fox Paints (s/b saved) -Office supply (piano..) on Main across city hall -A remake/reuse of Lifestlyes would be nice - at least rear -eliminate the phoneix block or building -pave the first block east of all streets off kinglsey. like 2-4 ave. gonna need a hummer soon. -knock down the burned out garage apt behind some house on Asbury Ave. Just been sitting there. - green up asbury ave east of memorial. but first of all - keep on working the problems that are real. We went to cubacon last night around 7:30 - cop car heading full speed north on kinglsey.. we parked on ocean ave... cop who had bw beat had car parked on bw buy casino...he was hustling back to his car..had his w/talk up... while I was trying to get money into the meter... CAMERAS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
Did you see this? I had posted it on Facebook. I did not mean it as anti OWS, being Gen X, it just cracked me up http://gizmodo.com/5851062/generation-x-is-sick-of-your-bullshit --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: I agree completely. I think OWAP and the Bond street thing are just jumping on a bandwagon without thinking before you leap. At least in NYC, they are there 24/7, doing the best they can and getting tons of attention. Sitting around a bar isn't exactly protesting. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Well, I am one the 1% who thinks that OWS, as imperfect as it is, is a good thing. It got the conversation started. The thingy at the Bond St bar is just a business gimmick. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Absolutely. Too many causes dilute the entire movement. Carrying signs that say Tax the Rich don't help much either. Vilifying people because the government blew it with our tax codes isn't going to solve anything. In my opinion, they should be occupying Capital Hill, and the offices of Congress and Senate members. As for Occupy Bond Street...absolutely ridiculous. Here's how that one will go (it's tonight by the way) 1) Get to your nice warm, safe and comfy bar with great comfort food 2) Drink up! 3) Yell about taxes, or the government 4) Drink up! 5) Hey man, we are the 99% 6) Drink up! 7) Stumble home and watch some TV And this is coming from a guy who was initially excited by OWS and supportive of the movement. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: OWS had a perfect opportunity to make putting a stop to corporate interests/lobbying that has corrupted the government their message and they blew it Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:57:21 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar Somebody has created a Facebook group called Occupy Asbury Park and an event to support OWS called Occupy Bond Street Bar, in which they are going to have prizes and giveaways. OAP's mission statement claims WE HAVE NO LEADER What a joke. This just dilutes the actually OWS movement, which itself is becoming a bit of a joke. We live 1 hour away and all people can come up with is go to a bar, get drunk and get mad at people because it's becoming a trendy thing to do. Ugh... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Values and more...
The Paramount Theater is hardly ever used! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: There is an old theater sitting empty right by North Beach (oak can give more details on that), but there are spots where ReVision can go...permanently I have to make it crystal clear, that I am not for dotting the whole waterfront with amusements, I... like the others, simply want a carousel in the carousel house, a ferris wheel would be great, maybe some one-off small rides here and there Its not rocket science, its what the people want.MM would be surprised (probably not tho) how many boardwalk visitors want this. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: colonialjohn johnmenc@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:08:25 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Values and more... I have to admit ... the last (10) or so responses were great. A Carousel in the Casino Area but will the Revision Theater find a permanenet home? They are going strong there now ... I have been to EVERY show as alot of locals. Its been great. A Ferris Wheel would be a winner but at what location? It seems the area north of the Convention Center may be next testing ground with some new ventures? Each season for the last (5) seasons I have lived here part-time and the beach crowd has grown exponentially. Some businesses have failed but some have survived that are not food related. Of course alot of traffic from Ocean Grove which really has no good mix of restaurants or night life. That new breakfast place Toast has been a hit ... ask any Ocean Grover full time in this town if he/she has not heard of it or even been there. That Beerfest last weekend reached its maximum allowable capacity for the event of 2,200 people and sold out. I was shut out trying to get in there from the 6-10PM session. Probably with another 500 or so people like myself wanting to get inside this event. I think what makes AP unique now is the current diversification that few other beach resorts can match even at this time. We can only hope this success can spread WEST into the city season after season and all this revenue can revitilize areas TO THE WEST. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Past sat night live with ben stiller he did a Springsteen bit. Mentions the abandoned ferris wheel as part of his bruce bit. Check out on nbc or hulu --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I get the Carousel question all the time, particularly from friends who spent time here as a child. I love that Revision has made good use of an abandoned space, but it sure would be nice to see a view of a beautiful Carousel reflecting off of the lake on a beautiful summer evening. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Everyday I spent on the boardwalk/beach this summer, I had at least one person ask me where the Carousel was.when I told them, the look on their faces was sad Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:19:27 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Values and more... I dont think we will see rides. Maybe something small. The key to it all is the Casino. MM wont budge. They seem to be the problem now. My calls for a carousel in the carousel house are ignored. iStar needs the Casino area to be done. While it is a partner with MM, MM has control. I think that will have to change and maybe will. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: there's no reason why you can't have a classy amusement area - if wanted at all. Fact is, people do come with kids and might spend more. The might come back without their kids and spend even more. Talking about lost cities, I went to AC Friday-Saturday night. We bought our bikes and rode from the North end of AC (the very pretty ..I mean what could be...) all the way down to margate. The landscape is dotted with failed developments and the what the f Revel Casino now once again underway. Parts along the inlet with beautiful new fancy homes, a few single family low-middle income homes, a few lower-middle income apt buildings and a few dilapidated buildings. ALong the boardwalk - the typical bw stuff that at age 50 has seemed to see better days. But a gentleman's club along with at least 3 massage parlors also dot the boardwalk. My wife wanted me to look into some junk property there. I laughed. Since I was around 18 on our first
[AsburyPark] Re: Guy that got shot the other morning, died.
I have to add that on both nights, I was sleeping with the window open and if I heard shots, it was a series of them, like 8+ Boom,[pause], Boom,[pause], Boom,[pause], Boom, [pause]... If you ever set off (or saw someone set off) an M80 firework (I saw my male friends set them off a few times as a teenager), it sounded just like that. I think this shooting happened on the other side of town, but I guess on a quiet night with the windows open, Asbury is not very big... The series I heard a few weeks ago sounded closer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: On that night, I heard a bunch of booms like the fireworks I heard a few weeks back that one night I posted about. It was about 245 a.m. and woke me up. Not sure if that is what I heard but maybe I am learning what gunshots sound like. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: The victim of a weekend shooting in Asbury Park has died, authorities said. City resident Ryekill Agostini 30, had been in extremely critical condition at Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune following a 2:15 a.m. shooting Sunday. He died of injuries from the shooting at about 4:20 Monday afternoon, Detective Capt. Anthony Salerno said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Guy that got shot the other morning, died.
On that night, I heard a bunch of booms like the fireworks I heard a few weeks back that one night I posted about. It was about 245 a.m. and woke me up. Not sure if that is what I heard but maybe I am learning what gunshots sound like. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: The victim of a weekend shooting in Asbury Park has died, authorities said. City resident Ryekill Agostini 30, had been in extremely critical condition at Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune following a 2:15 a.m. shooting Sunday. He died of injuries from the shooting at about 4:20 Monday afternoon, Detective Capt. Anthony Salerno said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
My house is techinically a condo, converted in 2004 with the 5 units in the front house. Hard to comp. It is near North Beach, 2 bed, 2 bath, no tax abatement, taxes around 6K (down from 8k- I fought the law and I won). I do not want to default. My understanding is NJ is a recourse state, so I will owe the money anyway and destroy my credit. I can *probably* qualify for another mortgage, looking into that now. SO, I will buy a small house closer to work in a town where I can send my kid to school and use Asbury as a rental. Although I am not too keen on being a LL. I am NOT handy at ALL. And I will likely move a bit away. I would like to keep Asbury as a second home, but with child care costs etc, I do not think I can really swing it. But anyway, the point is that when those North Beach units sit and are a little over $300k with a tax abatement OCEANFRONT, that just depresses everything else. My place could be worth $100K less than what I paid for it 7 years ago. And if a condo board is not flush with cash, the buyer you find may not be able to get a mortgage anyway. More new units that come on and sit, the more the older ones get depressed. I know the plan is the plan, but I am not real sure what the incentive is to keep building what people do not seem to want to buy. If Asbury becomes more and more a place where people want to go (amusements, Stone Pony etc) THEN maybe people will want to buy luxury condos. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Hadn't looked in a long time, but tax records for N Beach sow around 80 units in Paramounts name. Not sure how many of those remain unfinished, rented by them, or finished and vacant. SO more then half unsold. that does little for you. I think I saw a 2 bed there going for 309k. That unit, tax abated taxes are just $3400. Wesley grove is advertising 4 unsold. Not sure which units. At least one I recall was a real waste - at least in my view. One listing is for a unit by MM is for $339,00. With tax abatement taxes are only around $5000. Griffin - maybe 15 units up. Not sure. A $649,000 unit there, taxes are looking at $7700. While at the Blu, a $256000 blowout price, taxes are $7,000. MLS shows 91 condos for sale, which includes some listed here, but not all that are up in some conversions. And then there are those like yourself, with homes you'd like to sell, but from what you say are more or less stuck. Stuck unless you look at your numbers, life etc and do that american thing and say f-it. Hire a local attorney (there;s a few), stop paying your mortgage and the rest on a home that is underwater. Pocket the cash and save it. Why pay on a losing investment? Well, that's the real bullshit and why the system is screwed up. Sales suck unless you have cash. You need f[in perfect credit and you need your home to appraise. Good luck all the way around. I inquired the other day about refinancing from 6% on my home down to 7-7.5 on my rentals. What a joke. I currently pay, on time, a mortgage on tiny equity loan on my home, and mortgages, on time, on 3 rentals with 3 mortgages and another small equity line that is closed. Car loans, one existing - never late. Cards, paid off or on time. On own a couple houses free and clear. Like a schmuck I worked my ass off as did my wife to do it right... I had one f-up a tax lien that I paid off sooner then I had to. That;s because tenant's don't get arrested for stealing (not paying rent). They just move on to the next schmuck of a landlord. My point is, RENTALS, priced to rent, will rent. It;s one of the lastest trends in housing and that's why there's money going into it. Rental owner Developing the rental and holding it for themselves. It's where the old farts after WWII made their money and many of those families never sold these investments. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
Also note with banks, if you are a total disaster, they have an incentive to work with you, but if you are not, they won't. So, I posed the following to the bank, as a hypothetical... I said, what if I owe say $300K and I find a buyer on my own for $270K. Can I work out a payment plan for the $30K that I owe? No. All loans will be due upon the sale. So, you would rather people default on purpose, have to sell the house, institute legal proceedings to recover the difference etc rather than allow people to pay off their debts with little inconvenience to the bank? Makes no sense. So, yeah, bring on more condos :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: I bought not to flip but to hold on for maybe 5 years or so, have a fun weekend place, place to surf And then, well, life happened! Changed jobs, got married, had a child, got divorced, etc. The rent will never cover my costs, it will only help, but then I have to worry that the tenants will mess up my house :) Yes, the middle class, always gets screwed! Much easier to be a big bank! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I'd appeal your taxes again. Why not. One of the big rushes about when you bought your condo was the quick conversion of 1-5 units in AP to condo ownership. Pre-conversion I had a looked at a couple. The city back then was to quick and desperate and let these happen. So a place like yours that was paying maybe 10k in taxes as a 5 family rental (or more or less) all of a sudden was worth $50k in taxes. Why not approve the conversions?? Many of the apartment to condo conversions looked great as well. They are as a second home, weekend home etc. Those that bought to flip got screwed as were those that were duped thinking that the rent always covers the mortgage . Maybe someone bought as a second home or yr round home only to find themselves in a building that is now mostly rentals North beach didn't do a blow-out sale either. If I'm right, Amboy Bank was/is the mortgage holder and they had a clever set-up to hold their own notes. They moved them off the books. Instead of dumping properties, they either sold for proft or hold and manage and rent the properties. And yes, the value of your condo - is based on the supply on demand. Some people want to be in downtown, some in a conversion, some in a highrise with gym, pool, indoor parking, doorman and on the beach. And minimal taxes for now. See what you get for having a career, being a working mom, paying taxes, successful, afraid for your credit and not taking the easy way out. You'd make an excellent subject for an article.; Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
I have not really explored it but my understanding is that if you can pay, they have no incentive to work with you re: short sale or modification. And unless there are dire circumstances, why destroy credit, have tax implications, open youself up to legal action, etc.? I think it is just better to wait it out. However, that being said, my concern with this plan is that the local home values will continue to go down if more condos flood the market and do not sell. Eventually, the units will be filled with tenants instead of home owners, etc. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: isn't that what shortsale is though? or even what about a loan modification? both of which i believe destroy credit (i'm not sure the technicalities) and the only way to get them to consdier that is to just stop paying the mortgagebut - i know if you're thinking about something like that there is a tax implication of the balance forgiving if it's not primary residence (if you're thinking of renting) - i had a friend who got really bitten that way. it's going to cost no matter what (either the bank or government will take it). i'm wondering why investors would even consider building more condos based on the open units and foreclosure rate etc, it doesn't make sense and it screws us all up. I got bitten in NY that way too - couldn't (still can't) sell my apartment in chelsea which is a brownstone, goregous building, back yard etc because there are something like 5000 unsold new build condos in the same area (unfortunately it is a coop, but still). *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:45 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Also note with banks, if you are a total disaster, they have an incentive to work with you, but if you are not, they won't. So, I posed the following to the bank, as a hypothetical... I said, what if I owe say $300K and I find a buyer on my own for $270K. Can I work out a payment plan for the $30K that I owe? No. All loans will be due upon the sale. So, you would rather people default on purpose, have to sell the house, institute legal proceedings to recover the difference etc rather than allow people to pay off their debts with little inconvenience to the bank? Makes no sense. So, yeah, bring on more condos :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I bought not to flip but to hold on for maybe 5 years or so, have a fun weekend place, place to surf And then, well, life happened! Changed jobs, got married, had a child, got divorced, etc. The rent will never cover my costs, it will only help, but then I have to worry that the tenants will mess up my house :) Yes, the middle class, always gets screwed! Much easier to be a big bank! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I'd appeal your taxes again. Why not. One of the big rushes about when you bought your condo was the quick conversion of 1-5 units in AP to condo ownership. Pre-conversion I had a looked at a couple. The city back then was to quick and desperate and let these happen. So a place like yours that was paying maybe 10k in taxes as a 5 family rental (or more or less) all of a sudden was worth $50k in taxes. Why not approve the conversions?? Many of the apartment to condo conversions looked great as well. They are as a second home, weekend home etc. Those that bought to flip got screwed as were those that were duped thinking that the rent always covers the mortgage . Maybe someone bought as a second home or yr round home only to find themselves in a building that is now mostly rentals North beach didn't do a blow-out sale either. If I'm right, Amboy Bank was/is the mortgage holder and they had a clever set-up to hold their own notes. They moved them off the books. Instead of dumping properties, they either sold for proft or hold and manage and rent the properties. And yes, the value of your condo - is based on the supply on demand. Some people want to be in downtown, some in a conversion, some in a highrise with gym, pool, indoor parking, doorman and on the beach. And minimal taxes for now. See what you get for having a career, being a working mom, paying taxes, successful, afraid for your credit and not taking the easy way out. You'd make an excellent subject for an article.; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
Yes, before I do anything I will have it all researched. The point really, my personal experience is just an example. If this plan comes to be, isn't it just going to be more and more of this with all of our property values getting more and more depressed. We need to adress the other issues (eg, crime) and making Asbury a desireable destination and then add more units. I understand that the developers have rights, but I just don't see how it make sense now, as the supply is greater than the demand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: speak to an accountant. Not a bad move converting it to rental - if you sell you sell and may have some tax beneifts. If you don't sell and want to convert it back to your primary home - it might work out as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
I hope it works out, re the short sale and I am sorry for your situation. That is why I thought it was funny when I said to the bank, hey,what if I find my own buyer and I do not even ask for a short sale, but I just pay off whatever the difference is monthly, and they said, eh No! I was like, wait so you would rather I default on purpose? I have friends where the husband lost his job and their financial situation is a total disaster bc of that obviously. They were able to get a loan modification. But, if you can pay, and it is just the situation that you need to move on... I think the bank is far more willing to just let me take out more money, rather than work with me to square the debt I already have. What is your attorney's name though. It may be worth giving him/her a call. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Bob Loblaw bobloblaws.blog@... wrote: the city government makes AP an undespireable place to live. EVERYTHING in AP is about revenue. my drug dealing neighbors get off scott free despite the whole neighborhood complaining, becuase the cops are too busy issuing tickets to care. my neighbor is a volunteer C.O.P. and can't even get the cops to care. for 4 years, i mowed the grass in front of that damn house because the landlord didn't. i picked up the garbage in front to keep the rest of the street nice. our neighbors plowed the drug houses' walk when they didn't. the ridiculous tickets me and my family have gotten, i wont go into - not having lights on when windshield wipers are on despite it not raining, tickets for being parked too close to stop sign when there is no stop sign, etc etc; when i need them, they are not there. Both times our car had the window based in. when three next-door neighbors were broken into in a matter of 2 months. the abandoned house caddy corner to use went vacant and had homeless people living there for months. i wont go on. point is... in 2007 our house appraised at 600k. in 2010, when my husband lost his job, we put our hose on the market. we had one offer in over 6 months for 300k. this is a newly renovated, high end, 5 bedroom house on the east side, on a side street with a yard and i coyuldnt sell it for over 300k. mind you, we are still in a short sale and the bank declined that offer this month - sept 2011. thankfully, our buyers came back with a slightly higher offer. who buy a 1br condo @ 350k when you have your choice of beautiful, huge foreclosed and short sale houses to chose from for cheaper? PS. any losses from this property will not be taxed if it closes in 2011 (thank you obama). and our sale is contigent on us not having anything else due on our mortgage when we close - thanks to our attorney. --- to those of you who say it is immoral to walk away from our mortgage, i can explain to you why you you are an idiot in a separate email. my husband worked on wall st, for the banks who created this overpriced, false housing bubble and i say F you to the banks who refused to refinance us, refused to modify our mortgage, dragged our our mortgage mod application for a year and a half, denied us on not making enough when you gave us a loan on the same income in the first place, then refused our short sale. we tried. now take that and eat it, banks. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:08 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Yes, before I do anything I will have it all researched. The point really, my personal experience is just an example. If this plan comes to be, isn't it just going to be more and more of this with all of our property values getting more and more depressed. We need to adress the other issues (eg, crime) and making Asbury a desireable destination and then add more units. I understand that the developers have rights, but I just don't see how it make sense now, as the supply is greater than the demand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: speak to an accountant. Not a bad move converting it to rental - if you sell you sell and may have some tax beneifts. If you don't sell and want to convert it back to your primary home - it might work out as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Real Estate
There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is. That is true! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: ...It is always wise to buy real estate especially so if you want a home First select town and if it fills the requirements of ideals of what a home town should be then buy a home in that locality We believe we have all the qualities that make for home town The time to purchase is right Disturbed conditions due to European cataclysm should not deter one from purchasing now Property purchased now will ready for the upward turn when have again righted themselves ... ...property values Asbury Park has become what it is from a real estate standpoint through the efforts of its many live business men who were not afraid to do and dare There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is developing We would like to see the time when Asbury Park would embrace all of the territory north of Deal Lake including Interlaken West Al lenhurst Loch Arbour Allenhurst and Deal to the Long Branch City line This territory would be ample for a more closely developed community ideal and many of our local problems would be solved There would be no greater boon to real estate values than such a coalition GEORGE W PITTENGER from The Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce guide, 1915. If you like AP history, READ IT and go from there. some things never change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Putting the specifics of the plan aside, which I have now reviewed, has anyone ever mentioned a time frame? When do people think that the plan will be fully realized (if ever). 20 years? I am not trying to be argumentative here, I am curious to hear whether people in this group (1) think these blocks will ever actually be developed like that and (2) if so, when? Whether I agree with the specifics of of the plan or not (and I do not agree with a relocated Stone Pony), my bigger concern is this pattern of tearing stuff down and starting projects to either never finish them, or to have blocks of vacant luxury condos. For example, wasn't the Wonder Bar almost torn down? And thankfully it wasn't and it is a fun place, and the Yappy Hour I saw was super busy. That operating motel was torn down and nothing built there, right? From when I moved here in 2004, the stores on Kingsley have been vacant. It looked like not long before 2004 there was at least a little deli or something there. Will the Lanes be torn down only to have a vacant lot? At the very least, if people will go in and tear down and/or remove existing businesses, please make sure something viable will go in its place. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
Oak, you missed the point. It is ALL prime real estate, most of which has been vacant for years and years. My concern that I expressed is the pattern of removing viable businesses with empty lots. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: The Big Dig. tunnel it. or raise the plaza. How much would that be worth by vacating streets and does the city get any $. And if the character of the Pony were recreated, either at current site in a new, safer building, would that be so bad? If springsteen were to play in a new pony, would people line-up or boycott it? By the way, the old man was on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon last night. Great performance. While the WB is great, the doggie bar unfortunately is prime real estate. Maybe someone would leave the ground space open for an open air bar and build above it. Considering I'm 50 now, we're not really planning that much for us, but for the next few rounds or party animals, investors, residents and tourists. Our days our numbered. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Plan...
No one really answered the question I posed first thing this morning-ish re: The Plan. When do people think the first couple of blocks will be developed as set forth in The Plan, how many years? 10 years? 20 years? Never? I have 23 years left on my mortgage, what will AP look like then I wonder? I can't help but think that all this discussion will be moot because most if The Plan will never be realized. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking
Hinge, here is my solution: Buy my house (I will give you a good deal, certainly less than I paid for it 7 years ago) and you get room for up to 3 cars off street! :-) (Offer also open to anyone else) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pony, WB, Tillie, Istar etc
How much of North Beach is unsold? Because I never see many lights in that place. And there are a couple of units I keep an eye on (bc they are comps of my place, sort of) and they have seriously been on/off the market for 3 years. I am considering turning my place into a rental bc I can't sell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: The Brands The Stone Pony. In the first Bankrutpcy filing and sale, the arguments were for the name , the annex and online use. At least I thought so. It is a brand. the original location is where it is but a look and feel could be duped. I know, it and other real clubs can't get that same feel. The sounds are in the walls. You all think the casino. You already have a almost never used venue. Convention Hall. Stone Pony Concert Series at the new year round stage for large events - CH. I'd guess that somewhere there some doodles done for a SP move to CH somehow. Wonder Bar. Great name, fun place, location. Can you build up and over it? Many of you don't recall how it sat for years boarded and locked up a big grey box. Then there's that face thing. The Tillie brand. easily duplicated to bars, shirts and toilet seats. Then don't forget the downtown. Sackman's ventures clearly have had a huge impact. As for empty condos - that is a real debatable question. Are they really empty? You can't find a one bedroom rental. Sure sales at original prices have long disappeared, but AP can support and shown support for modern rentals in a higher price range. If someone comes along and follows some current trends in multifamily rental design, you should have units from $1000 and up per month easily filled - and all in one clevery designed building or groups of buildings. You'd have to think, out of all the other developers over the years who thought about AP, I-Star may be the most financially capable... ...Our prudent approach to our business has historically produced measurable results: a strong balance sheet; a well-diversified portfolio; a low-leverage capital structure; deep in-house capabilities; a broad knowledge base; and a highly disciplined investment process Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Well The Pony has been there for a while with residential use nearby. I can hear certain concerts from my house on 6th. I guess I have an issue with putting even more residential in now when there is so much sitting on the market already. Entertainment may be the way to go. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: The issue, in my opinion is that an outdoor concert venue is incompatible with residential use. Thus, I believe you have to choose one over the other. Yes there is soundproofing etc, but intense entertainment uses are incompatible with residences. I dont think you can have residences in the ocean blocks along with intense entertainment uses. You have to choose. The Stone Pony can stay (the building and be incorporated in a larger development but I think that if you want to develop residences on that block then the outdoor performance stage has to go to the demolished Casino site. How great it would be to have something like the Jones Beach theatre on that site. I only do this for a living. Dont let folks twist what the committee was trying to do. It would have been counterproductive to have public in before hand. Even at the meeting the other night folks were complaining and discussing issues that had nothing to do with what was within the purview or consideration of the committee. Those trying twist have sour grapes. Been here decades and let their properties fall into disrepair and complain about others that try to make improvements. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Demolish the Stone Pony so they can build it back in the same spot just with a new building? Bc why would they ever want to just demolish one of the best attractions in Asbury??? When I say why I like Asbury, going to see a show at the Pony is usually one of the first positive I list! The townhomes by North Beach? Yes- that is another winning idea! (sarcasm) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
People talking about this at work today. http://janescarousel.com/about.php Jane's Carousel... H. Yes, no Pier Village, please. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Demolish the Stone Pony so they can build it back in the same spot just with a new building? Bc why would they ever want to just demolish one of the best attractions in Asbury??? When I say why I like Asbury, going to see a show at the Pony is usually one of the first positive I list! The townhomes by North Beach? Yes- that is another winning idea! (sarcasm) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Do you hear what I hear?
Last night between 930 and 10:00 pm I heard a series of... M80s (fireworks)? Gunshots? I though first it was fireworks but then it stopped. If it was gunshots, it was 8-10 of them and I couldn't tell where they were coming from. I don't know what gunshots really sound like well enough to distinguish them from fireworks... Did anyone else hear that??? Nothing on APP yet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Do you hear what I hear?
I did not hear any sirens either I am in the same area as you. Let's hope it was fireworks. I debated whether to call the police but I didn't know what I heard or where they were coming from... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Regine Flimlin regineflimlin@... wrote: I heard them south of 8th, east of main. however, i did not hear police activity afterwards reggie On Sep 18, 2011, at 8:23 AM, fancypaaantz wrote: Last night between 930 and 10:00 pm I heard a series of... M80s (fireworks)? Gunshots? I though first it was fireworks but then it stopped. If it was gunshots, it was 8-10 of them and I couldn't tell where they were coming from. I don't know what gunshots really sound like well enough to distinguish them from fireworks... Did anyone else hear that??? Nothing on APP yet. resolve to sing daily in 2011 http://www.yogabasin.com reggie@... bar: 732.481.4110 mobile: 917.657.4364 im: yoginilinguini@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: The turn-out last night was fairly large - I am however disappointed for several reasons. - Very few people spoke at the public portion.. I realize that the document was not a quick read - but I did expect more questions... - The ethnic diversity of Asbury Park was certainly not represented. It would appear that the waterfront is thought to be unrelated to the rest of the City. - Once again the proposals are developer centric instead of public amenity oriented. I am interested in the reactions of anyone else that attended... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Marilyn Schlossbach drops out of Assembly race
I have always had a good experience at Langosta. I sometimes just order a couple of their sushi rolls. It is pricey though. I like Pop's Garage as well. I had a yummy chorizo taco the other day with grilled corn. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: I went to Langosta for the first time on my 50th birthday. The portions were so small that I made myself a PBJ when I got home. Not impressed at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Janine bubbanella63@ wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:16 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I went to Trinity once for the lunch special and I thought it was okay. I was not particularly impressed with Dauphin Grille either, although I do like Langosta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Marilyn Schlossbach drops out of Assembly race
I went to Trinity once for the lunch special and I thought it was okay. I was not particularly impressed with Dauphin Grille either, although I do like Langosta. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hurricane Irene
Hope everyone weathered the storm ok. I have been watching some clips of the BW on the news. How is the rest of AP? Is the power out for the whole town? Is there any flooding or impassable streets? If anyone does happen to be out and can report back that would be helpful! Thanks! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Typical misinformation and distortion of the truth. No - He does not own the boardwalk. -- details do matter Werner BTW - There is another 7 hours of rain from the west coming along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: CBS Channel 2 broadcasting live from Asbury Park, since 6:00 AM, with updates, directly from the Boardwalk. Mottola, introduced as owner of the boardwalk. Really? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fwd: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am
My feeling is, hopefully we do not get a storm surge and the flooding is not so bad. But... if it is a worse case scenario and you need to be rescued, then you are not only in danger but you put those who may need to rescue you in danger. For me, I removed my valuables to the extent I really have any, set the alarm and I hope for the best. (And I have insurance and took video of what the house looked like before leaving for the insurance) I have a young child and I would not want to put anyone in danger. I think the issue with this storm is how slow moving it is and how much rain and surge it could generate. I saw Deal Lake overflow from just heavy rain. The looting is hopefully what the curfew is meant to prevent. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: That was one of my worries too - looting. My husband is away, my sister is arriving today with her 14 month old, i have 5 yr old and a dog and a cat. my husband says leave but i just don't know - i also don't want to leave it too late. can't tell you how much i'm looking forward to a drive to newark and back this afternoon with all the evacuees on the road!! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I am sending my fiance, mother in law, and my shihtzu's west, to east brunswick Myself and my big dog will be staying behind, ifI mean when we lose power, my alarm system will be down. I don't want to run the risk of someone breaking in and cleaning me out I'm fully supplied for 15days Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.davids@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:39:57 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Fwd: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am is anyone planning on jumping ship? i'm torn, i don't want to be the melodramatic and go racing out of here but also don't want to be the idiot who stays and has a problem... I on the 500 block (so 5 blocks back from the water) - curious what other people are doing?? my plan is to stay put but i could be swayed. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:12 AM, asburysteve@... wrote: ** steve herman, asbury tower From: rick@... To: asburysteve@... Sent: 8/26/2011 7:46:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am Approaching StormTHE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A HURRICANE WARNING FOR THE ENTIRE NEW JERSEY COAST HURRICANE IRENE TO IMPACT NEW JERSEY SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY AFTERNOON HURRICANE WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NORTH CAROLINA THROUGH NEW JERSEY. HURRICANE WATCH IN EFFECT FROM NEW YORK CITY THROUGH SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND Membership Feedback AUGUST 26TH - 5:00 AM HURRICANE WARNING NOW IN EFFECT FOR THE NJ COAST. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION At 5:00 am Hurricane Irene was located about 700 miles south of the NJ coast with maximum sustained winds of 110 mph. The hurricane has deepened overnight as evidenced by a drop in central pressure (943mb) however this deepening has translated into a more expansive wind field rather than higher winds around the center. Hurricane force winds now extend outward from the center by almost 100 miles and tropical storm force winds extend outward about 300 miles. Forecast guidance overnight has changed very little as far as the track is concerned and Irene is still forecast to track over or just east of the NJ coast. At this point there should be little focus on the track since Irene is such a large storm, there will be major effects from the storm regardless. One important trend overnight is to accelerate Irene just a bit. This has a significant impact in that it is going to bring the worst of Irene's wrath closer to that all important Sunday 7am high tide. Irene's closest passage looks to NJ looks to be between 8am and 11am and any further acceleration is going to bring that window right into the high tide period. Rain will begin Saturday afternoon. Rain and increasing wind will begin around or just after midnight Saturday night. The worst of the hurricane will occur between 4am and Noon on Sunday when wind gusts of 80mph may occur. Winds will back to the west after Irene passes our latitude and remain gusty Sunday afternoon but skies will likely begin to clear. Rainfall totals of 5 to 10 inches, with isolated amounts approaching 15 inches, are expected throughout the state. A storm surge of 3 to 6 feet is forecast by the National Weather Service which will result in dangerous coastal flooding, complete washover of beaches and the potential for damage to boardwalks, piers and other beachfront
[AsburyPark] Re: Fwd: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am
My outside furniture is really heavy iron furniture that is has holes, and my house has a little narrow area on the side and the back that is protected with high, solid fencing, so I shoved it all on the back and side of the house, laying it all down and tied it together. The low heavy iron table I tied to the deck post. Anything light I brought in. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: furniture in and what cant come in is tied down. Had to do this at staten island and here --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I'm putting everything in my yard as close to my house as possible I'm afraid my new Willow tree is going to get uprooted Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.davids@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:09:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Fwd: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am oh - and what about furniture - is everyone bringing it in - i'm looking up and down the road and none of my neighbours have yet. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Claire Davids claire.davids@wrote: That was one of my worries too - looting. My husband is away, my sister is arriving today with her 14 month old, i have 5 yr old and a dog and a cat. my husband says leave but i just don't know - i also don't want to leave it too late. can't tell you how much i'm looking forward to a drive to newark and back this afternoon with all the evacuees on the road!! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I am sending my fiance, mother in law, and my shihtzu's west, to east brunswick Myself and my big dog will be staying behind, ifI mean when we lose power, my alarm system will be down. I don't want to run the risk of someone breaking in and cleaning me out I'm fully supplied for 15days Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.davids@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:39:57 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Fwd: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am is anyone planning on jumping ship? i'm torn, i don't want to be the melodramatic and go racing out of here but also don't want to be the idiot who stays and has a problem... I on the 500 block (so 5 blocks back from the water) - curious what other people are doing?? my plan is to stay put but i could be swayed. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:12 AM, asburysteve@ wrote: ** steve herman, asbury tower From: rick@ To: asburysteve@ Sent: 8/26/2011 7:46:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Hurricane Irene - August 26th - 5am Approaching StormTHE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A HURRICANE WARNING FOR THE ENTIRE NEW JERSEY COAST HURRICANE IRENE TO IMPACT NEW JERSEY SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY AFTERNOON HURRICANE WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NORTH CAROLINA THROUGH NEW JERSEY. HURRICANE WATCH IN EFFECT FROM NEW YORK CITY THROUGH SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND Membership Feedback AUGUST 26TH - 5:00 AM HURRICANE WARNING NOW IN EFFECT FOR THE NJ COAST. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION At 5:00 am Hurricane Irene was located about 700 miles south of the NJ coast with maximum sustained winds of 110 mph. The hurricane has deepened overnight as evidenced by a drop in central pressure (943mb) however this deepening has translated into a more expansive wind field rather than higher winds around the center. Hurricane force winds now extend outward from the center by almost 100 miles and tropical storm force winds extend outward about 300 miles. Forecast guidance overnight has changed very little as far as the track is concerned and Irene is still forecast to track over or just east of the NJ coast. At this point there should be little focus on the track since Irene is such a large storm, there will be major effects from the storm regardless. One important trend overnight is to accelerate Irene just a bit. This has a significant impact in that it is going to bring the worst of Irene's wrath closer to that all important Sunday 7am high tide. Irene's closest passage looks to NJ looks to be between 8am and 11am and any further acceleration is going to bring that window right into the high tide period. Rain will begin Saturday afternoon. Rain and increasing wind will begin around or just after midnight Saturday night. The worst of the hurricane will
[AsburyPark] Re: Mandatory evacuation east of Grand Ave
From when? When do we need to be out by? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: This just in from City Hall via one of my coworkers, who's mom works there: Anyone east of Grand Ave is mandatory evacuation. Strict curfew is 8 pm Saturday evening, no one is allowed out on the streets, boardwalk, etc. The rest of the town is advised to evacuate but not mandatory. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mandatory evacuation east of Grand Ave
I looked on the website briefly and app.com and couldn't find anything. Should be posted somewhere. I mean I have plans in motion anyway. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: There's lot's of info floating around that I can't confirm, but I'm hearing it's prior to 8 pm tmrw and we're supposed to stay away until sometime on Monday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: From when? When do we need to be out by? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: This just in from City Hall via one of my coworkers, who's mom works there: Anyone east of Grand Ave is mandatory evacuation. Strict curfew is 8 pm Saturday evening, no one is allowed out on the streets, boardwalk, etc. The rest of the town is advised to evacuate but not mandatory. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mandatory evacuation east of Grand Ave
Set alarms anyway, remove valuables, nothing is as precious as being safe. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I'm staying behind, I have a massive survival kit, can't risk anyone robbing mekeeping my big dog with me too Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:05:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Mandatory evacuation east of Grand Ave I looked on the website briefly and app.com and couldn't find anything. Should be posted somewhere. I mean I have plans in motion anyway. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: There's lot's of info floating around that I can't confirm, but I'm hearing it's prior to 8 pm tmrw and we're supposed to stay away until sometime on Monday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: From when? When do we need to be out by? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: This just in from City Hall via one of my coworkers, who's mom works there: Anyone east of Grand Ave is mandatory evacuation. Strict curfew is 8 pm Saturday evening, no one is allowed out on the streets, boardwalk, etc. The rest of the town is advised to evacuate but not mandatory. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mandatory evacuation east of Grand Ave
Most alarm systems, if you have one, have massive batteries if the power goes out. And if one is actually looting during the height of a hurricane Good luck! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: Set alarms anyway, remove valuables, nothing is as precious as being safe. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I'm staying behind, I have a massive survival kit, can't risk anyone robbing mekeeping my big dog with me too Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:05:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Mandatory evacuation east of Grand Ave I looked on the website briefly and app.com and couldn't find anything. Should be posted somewhere. I mean I have plans in motion anyway. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: There's lot's of info floating around that I can't confirm, but I'm hearing it's prior to 8 pm tmrw and we're supposed to stay away until sometime on Monday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: From when? When do we need to be out by? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: This just in from City Hall via one of my coworkers, who's mom works there: Anyone east of Grand Ave is mandatory evacuation. Strict curfew is 8 pm Saturday evening, no one is allowed out on the streets, boardwalk, etc. The rest of the town is advised to evacuate but not mandatory. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Asbury school board president ordered out | The Asbury Park Press |
Thank you, good to know. It is probably not so easy to get a spot? I have a little time yet here. I am going to check out the Neptune Montessori school in September to start her off a couple of days/week. I have a friend with 2 kids in Care on the Square and she has been happy. My neighbor sent her child to preschool and kindergarten here in Asbury and was happy. Everyone stay safe in the hurricane! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: duh - i thought by choice school you meant it's a good choice.. i just checked their website, now i know what it means what a good option! On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Claire Davids claire.davids@...wrote: That's good to know - thank you! On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Ramona ramonicoshay@... wrote: ** Let me be careful here... I am responding to fancypaaantz and Claire and any mom with young children. Deal School is less than 5 miles away and they are a choice school. They also have a pre-school. Small classes, strong PTA. Teacher turn around is non existent. You can obtain additional information by going to www.dealschool.org. Ramona --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Where does he go now? I am checking out the Montessori in Neptune on 66. My daughter is 2. If we still live here in a few years, not sure what to do then. You can email directly also- nice to meet another mom on here with a young child! The email I check is jennifergaeta@ I do not use the yahoo email --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I know i'm in a dream world, but i'd really like to think that there's a chance by the time my 5 year old is Highschool age he could go to AP HS *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:43 AM, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: ** --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: The best news the Asbury Park school system has had in a long time. Maybe the focus can finally get back to improving the education of the kids rather than his own personal agenda and vendettas. +1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Asbury school board president ordered out | The Asbury Park Press |
And the fancypaaantz sounds so funny! I signed up for a yahoo ID a million years ago to have an email I could use if I didn't want to use my real email (spam ish sites) and I used to joke with my boss from Spring Lake that he was a Mr. Fancy Pants so it was during that time I just picked it as a silly name. I use it here bc this is a Yahoo group but I am not really anonymous. My name is Jennifer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: Thank you, good to know. It is probably not so easy to get a spot? I have a little time yet here. I am going to check out the Neptune Montessori school in September to start her off a couple of days/week. I have a friend with 2 kids in Care on the Square and she has been happy. My neighbor sent her child to preschool and kindergarten here in Asbury and was happy. Everyone stay safe in the hurricane! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: duh - i thought by choice school you meant it's a good choice.. i just checked their website, now i know what it means what a good option! On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Claire Davids claire.davids@wrote: That's good to know - thank you! On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Ramona ramonicoshay@ wrote: ** Let me be careful here... I am responding to fancypaaantz and Claire and any mom with young children. Deal School is less than 5 miles away and they are a choice school. They also have a pre-school. Small classes, strong PTA. Teacher turn around is non existent. You can obtain additional information by going to www.dealschool.org. Ramona --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Where does he go now? I am checking out the Montessori in Neptune on 66. My daughter is 2. If we still live here in a few years, not sure what to do then. You can email directly also- nice to meet another mom on here with a young child! The email I check is jennifergaeta@ I do not use the yahoo email --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I know i'm in a dream world, but i'd really like to think that there's a chance by the time my 5 year old is Highschool age he could go to AP HS *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:43 AM, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: ** --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: The best news the Asbury Park school system has had in a long time. Maybe the focus can finally get back to improving the education of the kids rather than his own personal agenda and vendettas. +1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Asbury school board president ordered out | The Asbury Park Press |
Where does he go now? I am checking out the Montessori in Neptune on 66. My daughter is 2. If we still live here in a few years, not sure what to do then. You can email directly also- nice to meet another mom on here with a young child! The email I check is jenniferga...@hotmail.com I do not use the yahoo email --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: I know i'm in a dream world, but i'd really like to think that there's a chance by the time my 5 year old is Highschool age he could go to AP HS *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:43 AM, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: ** --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: The best news the Asbury Park school system has had in a long time. Maybe the focus can finally get back to improving the education of the kids rather than his own personal agenda and vendettas. +1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: For the record Oak
If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² Did you share this with the police? That sounds to me like a threat to commit violence. I understand there is anger, but threatening to burn the whole fucking thing down is very serious. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
Oak, a lot of these programs are only available in the poorest areas, so again you are still talking about the concentration of poverty/segregation. Here is the head start for Bergen County, it is in a couple of spots, none in the Northern part of the county and it runs from 845-345. That does not cover a lot of time for employment. http://www.bergencap.org/headstart.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: How about aid/assistance for performance. Attending school, grades, attending parents teacher meetings, seeking employment, etc. because that's not fair. some notes: NJ Department of Human Services Division of Family Development offers parents financial assistance to pay for some of the costs of child care. Parents must be income eligible and involved in a work, training or school related activity. - ecipients of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families may be able to receive assistance with child care expenses while participating in an approved work activity and also may be eligible for Transitional Child Care for up to 24 months after discontinuing TANF. HEAD START The Head Start Program in Monmouth County is administered by Acelero Learning. Acelero Learning Monmouth County Head Start provides child care for eligible children at several locations in Monmouth County. The program includes education, health screenings and nutritious meals. Home based services and a summer program are also available. Head Start also provides extended hours for working families. Families receiving TANF are automatically eligible for Head Start programs. I think they get around $6 million, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I was speaking more in terms of perception. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. That's a fallacy. I gave a report to certain councilman years ago who now resides in Spring Lake. The study found that the moving out of the poor does not happen at a faster velocity in a gentrifying neighborhood than it does in a similar non gentrifying neighborhood. What does differ is the ability to reenter the neighborhood that is undergoing gentrification. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Could this be the short-term answer?
Not if people committing crimes are over 18. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@... wrote: (CNN) -- Philadelphia has been plagued by teen violence, but the City of Brotherly Love is fighting back. Mayor Michael Nutter announced this week a robust initiative that began with a stiff curfew at 9 p.m. Friday. The effort comes after a string of attacks on residents by groups of young people who are alerted to sudden gatherings at a given place via e-mail and social media. It's a growing problem in this country, police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey told CNN Friday. Nutter delivered tough remarks about the problem in a church sermon Sunday that has received national and international attention, a blunt no-excuses scolding that happened to coincide with the start of the England riots. An African-American, Nutter noted that those involved in the Philadelphia attacks are predominantly black and said their behavior damaged themselves and damaged their race. He upheld religious values, underscored the importance of parental discipline and lambasted absentee parents, particularly fathers, for neglecting and not keeping watch over their children. He said fathering is engaging with the child and shaping them. He described a neglectful dad as a human ATM or a sperm donor. Accordingly, his measures target both the young attackers and their parents or legal guardians. Nutter signed an order temporarily moving the curfew to 9 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays for everyone under the age of 18 in targeted enforcement districts. They are in Center City, the downtown area, and University City, the West Philadelphia neighborhood where the University of Pennsylvania is located. Throughout the rest of the city, the curfew will remain 10 p.m. for those under the age of 13 and those for minors under the age of 18. Minors who are caught breaking curfew will be sent home, brought home or transported to a police station where their parents will be contacted. Minors may be issued a citation with a $100 to $300 fine for a first offense, the city said in a press release. Parents will receive a first-violation notice and then will be fined up to $500 for successive violations. These notices and citations will be issued when the parent comes to collect their child from the police station. If parents don't come for their child within a reasonable time, police will contact the Department of Human Services to start an investigation. Parents whose child under the age of 18 is found liable or guilty by a court for injury, theft or other criminal acts will be liable to the person who suffered the injury or loss of property. Parents and legal guardians will be subject imprisonment for up to 90 days for repeat curfew violation offenses. Ramsey said Friday the first offense will most likely prompt a warning, with fines to follow for other curfew violations. If they come down and start to assault people or damage property we are going to arrest them. Up to the beginning of the school year next month, police will maintain a greater presence in the targeted enforcement areas and work to improve camera surveillance. It will also expand weekend hours at recreation centers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Honeymoon in Asbury Park
Mr. Fashions is now on Route 35. Sister Sue's was a lovely restaurant that I frequented often. I was very sad to see if go. The food was awesome. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: You've said it as best as I could. Texas has a fund to help the aged and poor pay thier utilities by adding a dollar to utility bills. The State politicians are only giving the poor less than what is needed and using the fund for other things. A commentator said it amounts to embezzlement. The point being if AP is being given all these millions for education and because the area is designated a blighted area, to encourage entreprenures to come here, open and establish businesses but I hear they come here get a chunk of the grant money, open a business and in a year the business is kaput! I didn't spark a race riot because it always about race. Do you see any Black businesses? One or two. Mr. Fashions sold his business and the building it was in is under renovation. The buyer moved the store to an obscure location in Ocean Twp. If you didn't know this little factoid, you would think Mr. Fashions no longer existed. This little City has ALL of the problems of NY, Chicago or LA! It's just on a smaller scale. Dennis, thank you! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ wrote: Walk a mile in my shoesSharon and Keady sparked a race riot on the list and that is hardly a bad thing. Each one one of them hit a hot point while pressing their agenda. Neither of them intentionally or otherwise trying to offend. The sad reality is that crime across our country is way up, I understand that spring lake has had more crimes committed this summer than the past ten years combined. The cause? Heroin. Addiction. Poverty. Two of the three no know racial boundaries. Poverty does. Sharon stated that 12% of the population are Black. Keady can surely tell us what % of the population are in jail and commit the bulk if the street crime across our country. Sharon is living proof that we are what the constitution says; created equal. But for Asbury Park the sad harsh reality is that there is a generation of lost displaced backs against the walk mostly Black males who have turned to gangs and street crime because they have no alternative, they seemingly have no choice. This despite fantastic parents like Sharon that have led exemplary lives of hard work and toil and service to their fellow man, only to see their sins and daughters besmirch their good names. So what's the point and what's the solution? Because in Asbury Park you keep your eyes open wide not get caught in a situation where a young man with a gun wants more than you got. As Asbury has moved forward with restaurants and clubs and shops all designed for upper middle class rich people, the streets are still littered with poor lost souks he'll bent on destruction. The solutions to make Asbury a safe, crime free community are complex and difficult and they start with leadership at the highest levels working together. In the schools, in the religious organizations and the local government the leadership has to come together and start the arduos process of healing and growth. So far that ain't happening but talking about it here and there and everywhere is at the very Lear a start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Gang fight at the Beach Bar involving The Bloods
Thanks Jack, so that is a another stabbing incident? There was just the following which is stated to have happend at 1 am http://www.app.com/article/20110719/NJNEWS/307190091/Asbury-stabbing-victim-won-t-help-cops --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Here's a story that hasn't been reported anywhere. Approx. 3 weeks ago, there was an incident at The Beach Bar that's connected to the near riot that occurred after Wed. fireworks. A large group wearing red bandanas went to the Beach Bar, but were denied access. This turned into a large fight which resulted in a guy being stabbed in the legs and stomach. This whole event was witnessed by one of my local sound engineer friends. The injured guy crawled away leaving a trail of blood. Meanwhile, the fight went on, and my friend saw one male point a gun directly at another persons head. At one point there were 3 guns visibly drawn, and shots fired, but nobody was hit. When the fight was over, my friend watched as the blood was being bleached off of the boardwalk. Remnants of this group were the same people who needed the police escort. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. The city, powers that be, investors wants gentrification because it makes money and turns the city around. The community wants it to the extent it makes a community safer, prettier, increases property values, etc. But, the displaced don't want to be displaced... And where will people be displaced to? Here's my two cents. The problems that Asbury faces are not Asbury problems, they are New Jersey problems, they are United States problems. Poverty is a bigger problem than just Asbury, Camden, and Newark... The solution for a long time has been projects, Section 8, welfare, concentrating that poverty into specific areas, in specific cities, with terrible schools. Then we tried to fix the schools with Abbott, but we did not fix the root problems- poverty, violence, gangs, and addiction. I think to fix it, we would have to break up the concentration of poverty, but on a much larger scale. Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live, in every school district, provide real job training and career counseling in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work, along with affordable healthcare, mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. In essence, stop trying to concentrate the have nots into a ghetto where poverty will continue to beget poverty and violence begets violence, but rather to shift our mindset to enable all towns and all cities to provide opportunities to those who could benefit from those opportunities. I remember being in a philosophy class where we said that if we could design a society not knowing where in that society we would be born, we would all design one where the bottom is not that bad. Now, in the USA our bottom is not as bad as in other countries. I have walked through a crowded train station in India and been surrounded by children with bloated bellies begging for food. But, our bottom is not as good as some other places. There was a lot of talk about socialism and not being like Europe or Canada during the last election. Well, what do we want to be? How can we foster upward mobility while also creating a society where the bottom is not so bad? I do know that if we just focus on this as an Asbury problem, we are not going to really get anywhere. I don't think we would ever see real change unless and until we tackle it on a much bigger scale, but that will never happen in this political climate. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Interesting comment someone made. Can someone define it? I can't say I go out to dinner to often I really enjoy my own food much more. Are boardwalk prices high? How do they compare with the rest of Monmouth County? Is rafferty's high priced or middle of the road? Is the ice cream a fair price? Is the candyteria fairly priced? WHAT: - would be fair for the whole community - kind of eateries and price points would be fair to the whole community. - kinds of food are missing to make it seem fair to the community and not those upper class a-holes that come in and take a shot () at rehabbing a business, home or supporting a struggling town? WHAT: - would stop a kid from trying to pull someone out of a car to kick their ass for the hell of it? - would stop someone from taking a shotgun and shoving in someone's face and make them strip down and steal their car? First person that can tell me (without blaming society), I'll cut a check out for $100 to their favorite cause. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
I believe, for the most part, everyone is concerned about young people, violence, guns, poverty, etc. But when you live in a place for long enough and read these stories over and over again, it is just natural to get a little weary of it. I think most people, where ever they live, just want to live their lives, safely and with as little worry as possible. We all bought (or live in, or visit) a changing area that has some big problems, and after years of reading the same stories over and over, I think most people do not know what they can do other than just take care of themselves. I bought here 7 years ago. I do not want any young people to suffer. If I could change the world or even just New Jersey, I would. I have ideas about how as well. I could be the biggest, open-hearted, save the world liberal there is. But, the flip side of that coin, is that I invested in a house 7 years ago that I can't sell now without owing the bank a ton of money. I now have a two year old and I am concerned with her safety living here. I know that I can't send her to school here when she gets older. I work more than full time to provide for my child as a single mother. I am tired and I just want to take care of my child in a safe place. I do not want to worry about people breaking into my house or getting mugged or carjacked (esp with my child in the back seat). In sum, I think it is terribly unfair to accuse a bunch of people who live, work, or just enjoy and invest in Asbury Park as being racists because they are worried about their own interests. A lot of of us took a chance to move here, lost our shirts financially, and now have to think of our own interests. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jenni jenni@... wrote: No, race has nothing to do with it, and wealth doesn't always either. When I was a landlord (a house in MD that I co-owned), I was extremely cautious about who I rented to. I wanted references, and wanted to ensure that their previous dwellings were left in good shape, that they were not trouble in any way. Now I am sure that there are people who commit crimes that also are very nice tenants, but I think that is not common. It would seem that if the landlords have to fix the place up, they would be very concerned about it being kept nice, so would be more inclined to screen applicants carefully. Jenni -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oakdorf Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:45 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night as a landlord, you can get he place ready for a co and pass - then the tenant moves in. Sometimes you get good tenants - and sometimes not, And that doesn't matter rich or poor nor by race. And the system doesn't make easy to evict a tenant either. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
And FYI- this sentiment is something I have discussed at length with a bunch of people in the same boat- of varying ethnic and racial backgrounds. Many of whom started businesses here or bought houses here and now have had children and varying other life changes. If people cannot see themselves staying here, feeling safe here, and raising children here,that is a big problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: I believe, for the most part, everyone is concerned about young people, violence, guns, poverty, etc. But when you live in a place for long enough and read these stories over and over again, it is just natural to get a little weary of it. I think most people, where ever they live, just want to live their lives, safely and with as little worry as possible. We all bought (or live in, or visit) a changing area that has some big problems, and after years of reading the same stories over and over, I think most people do not know what they can do other than just take care of themselves. I bought here 7 years ago. I do not want any young people to suffer. If I could change the world or even just New Jersey, I would. I have ideas about how as well. I could be the biggest, open-hearted, save the world liberal there is. But, the flip side of that coin, is that I invested in a house 7 years ago that I can't sell now without owing the bank a ton of money. I now have a two year old and I am concerned with her safety living here. I know that I can't send her to school here when she gets older. I work more than full time to provide for my child as a single mother. I am tired and I just want to take care of my child in a safe place. I do not want to worry about people breaking into my house or getting mugged or carjacked (esp with my child in the back seat). In sum, I think it is terribly unfair to accuse a bunch of people who live, work, or just enjoy and invest in Asbury Park as being racists because they are worried about their own interests. A lot of of us took a chance to move here, lost our shirts financially, and now have to think of our own interests. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jenni jenni@ wrote: No, race has nothing to do with it, and wealth doesn't always either. When I was a landlord (a house in MD that I co-owned), I was extremely cautious about who I rented to. I wanted references, and wanted to ensure that their previous dwellings were left in good shape, that they were not trouble in any way. Now I am sure that there are people who commit crimes that also are very nice tenants, but I think that is not common. It would seem that if the landlords have to fix the place up, they would be very concerned about it being kept nice, so would be more inclined to screen applicants carefully. Jenni -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oakdorf Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:45 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night as a landlord, you can get he place ready for a co and pass - then the tenant moves in. Sometimes you get good tenants - and sometimes not, And that doesn't matter rich or poor nor by race. And the system doesn't make easy to evict a tenant either. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
Jack, I think what he is saying is, since our conversation was about Vespas, firearms and self-protection rather than expressing the requisite amount of outrage for the fact that two young people were shot, we are basically racists and heartless. My point is that most people on this group have been very dedicated and invested in Asbury, often to their own detriment, and if anything people are just weary of reading the same stories over and over again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: I find the statement But for many on this list, again, the assumption is that it's just another young n-gg-r shot in the ghetto. to be incredibly offensive. I don't assume anything, and reading back thru the thread I'm not seeing anybody else doing so either. If anything, we are pretty much fed up with what's going on in this city. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady jim@ wrote: Two young men shot in the streets and the conversation vacillates between Vespas, dogs and firearms. Seemingly no concern for the well-being of the young men, concern if their families need anything, etc. Why? Because the assumption is that they are black, they are gang members, and they got what they deserved. Now all those may be true, but none of that is confirmed and there does not seem to be a shard of concern about these two human lives. They could be innocent, they could have been walking home from work and caught a stray bullet, who knows. But for many on this list, again, the assumption is that it's just another young n-gg-r shot in the ghetto. If it's a white kid from outside of AP that catches a bullet one day, maybe then someone might actually care and do something. Peace, Jim Keady Jim Where do you live? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
If you've moved here thinking that it's all Wonder Bar, boardwalk and Stone Pony, you've moved to the wrong place! Getting away from the race issue for a second... This is a gentrifying community. There have been a ton or condos flooded onto the market in the past however many years. Why do you think people want to move to a gentrifying community? It is for the positives of course! People move to be close to the beach, boardwalk, and yes the Stone Pony (entertainment). Housing is a bit cheaper here than in other beach communities because of the other issues (namely crime). I do not think many people would say, I want to move to Asbury Park and start a business or renovate an old house because I feel like being in the midst of gang violence. I am sure there are some who came here to do great things, and I am sure many people are doing great things, but there are many people who just came here to live/work at the beach and there is nothing wrong with that either! Their tax dollars are paying the city and their dollars at the local establishments are making changes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I don't care? Really? You seem to make EVERYTHING into a black and white issue on here, when I rarely see anyone else mention cultural backgrounds (including this discussion until Mr Keady chimed in) Whatever, maybe I should just close my homes doors to kids in need since I don't care, maybe I should stop attending APHS school functions and events since I don't care, maybe I should stop helping out Mrs Evans (who lives in BWay) since I don't care Insinuating is just as bad as assuming This is coming from someone who has had their house robbed, bikes stolen, cars damaged, all by AP youths (none of which were african-american) since living here Unreal Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b283@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:05:21 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night ...And if it wasn't for the Blacks, they'rd be NO Billions for those in charge to eff up, okay? Like Jim says, nobody on this board cares, JUST because they're Black! How about some JOBS? I've notice for at least 2 years that CERTAIN people's kids get jobs, while those that LIVE here get the back of Asbury's hand! If you've moved here thinking that it's all Wonder Bar, boardwalk and Stone Pony, you've moved to the wrong place! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Jim, I think you may be pushing it with the comment: But for many on this list, again, the assumption is that it's just another young n-gg-r shot in the ghetto. 1. In general, there seems to be some crime problems in Asbury. 2. For some reason, people just can't grasp the concept of cameras. Meanwhile, Hinge pointed out that cameras on private citizens house caught the carjacking helping the police to a suspect. Maybe some lawyer will sue the camera guy for invading the suspects privacy because they didn't have a sign warning of cameras. the city HAS to install cameras in many parts of town. 3. Asbury has an image problem. It doesn't take a consultant to tell you that. Yes, it's come a long long way via private monies invested into businesses and homes. And there are those who wills say - who gives a shit if someone's afraid, let them go to avon instead... 4. The police and courts have their hands full. 5. And of course, the billions in fed and state aid that AP gets in one form or another. Please, tell me where it goes. I read the budgets and audit reports. Good night. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
This is also a group to speak about Asbury Park, so with all due respect, I am not sure it is appropriate to discuss white collar criminals generally unless they have something specifically to do with Asbury Park. I do recall many threads here about the various companies involved here and the alleged mishandling of things that have nothing to do with our street crime issues. Finally, Jack has spoken about what he sees and what his experience is here as we all do. That is entrely appropriate. Sometimes (as a group) we complain about lighting, or parking, or meters, or crime or safety or a new restaurant, or whatever. Isn't that what this group is for? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: If I ever had it, thanks for nothing. Well, unless it's about YOU, everything else is irrelevant! With you, at first it was about library park and the lightlessness and what you described as criminal activities occurring there. #1, I'd never ALLOW myself to live in such an atmosphere and in the 67 years I've lived as a woman of color, I see right through whitespeak. So go ahead, diss me! Yes, there IS a criminal element in AP, but there's ALWAYS been one! I haven't been NEAR Bergh St. in years because it's a KNOWN haven for muggers. You report about another shooting. What about the white-collar criminals stealing this country blind? Nothing good involving Blacks or Hispanics is ever reported here, THAT's all I'm agreeing with JIM, who is a known civil rights activist and I agree with him, so lose whatever you think you feel for me. Under the 1st Amendment, I'm expressing MY opinion! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Sharon - You also lost my respect thanks to this comment Like Jim says, nobody on this board cares, JUST because they're Black! The fact of the matter is, nobody brought up race when I original posted the story. Then Jim came along and made a horrible, baseless comment, and now you just added to it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: ...And if it wasn't for the Blacks, they'rd be NO Billions for those in charge to eff up, okay? Like Jim says, nobody on this board cares, JUST because they're Black! How about some JOBS? I've notice for at least 2 years that CERTAIN people's kids get jobs, while those that LIVE here get the back of Asbury's hand! If you've moved here thinking that it's all Wonder Bar, boardwalk and Stone Pony, you've moved to the wrong place! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Jim, I think you may be pushing it with the comment: But for many on this list, again, the assumption is that it's just another young n-gg-r shot in the ghetto. 1. In general, there seems to be some crime problems in Asbury. 2. For some reason, people just can't grasp the concept of cameras. Meanwhile, Hinge pointed out that cameras on private citizens house caught the carjacking helping the police to a suspect. Maybe some lawyer will sue the camera guy for invading the suspects privacy because they didn't have a sign warning of cameras. the city HAS to install cameras in many parts of town. 3. Asbury has an image problem. It doesn't take a consultant to tell you that. Yes, it's come a long long way via private monies invested into businesses and homes. And there are those who wills say - who gives a shit if someone's afraid, let them go to avon instead... 4. The police and courts have their hands full. 5. And of course, the billions in fed and state aid that AP gets in one form or another. Please, tell me where it goes. I read the budgets and audit reports. Good night. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
If it is the same Jim Keady- Facebook says Spring Lake. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady jim@ wrote: Two young men shot in the streets and the conversation vacillates between Vespas, dogs and firearms. Seemingly no concern for the well-being of the young men, concern if their families need anything, etc. Why? Because the assumption is that they are black, they are gang members, and they got what they deserved. Now all those may be true, but none of that is confirmed and there does not seem to be a shard of concern about these two human lives. They could be innocent, they could have been walking home from work and caught a stray bullet, who knows. But for many on this list, again, the assumption is that it's just another young n-gg-r shot in the ghetto. If it's a white kid from outside of AP that catches a bullet one day, maybe then someone might actually care and do something. Peace, Jim Keady Jim Where do you live? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me
First of all, I am not sure you even know the racial backgrounds of the various posters in this group. I don't. Second, you don't know and are making assumptions about all of us. I was raised in the 70s by very socially liberal parents- very Free to Be You and Me, love everyone, don't judge. You are trying to read between the lines about what I, or others, have posted to try to see something that probably isn't there, all while making blatant judgments against US. I like Asbury. I moved here, bought a house here, pay my taxes, license my dog, pick up garbage in my yard, keep my house clean etc. My *true* feelings are that I am a bit weary of all the crime and it saddens me. I want to feel safe where I live, as do most people. I don't know how to make it better, other than just living my life the best way I can, be a good neighbor, call the police if needed etc. I had a similar conversation with a neighbor who just moved to Holmdel before her 6 year old starts first grade (Spanish). I had many conversations with close friends who started a business here and and renovated a house on the West side (bi-racial). Other neighbors are moving next week because they are sick of crime (another bi-racial couple). Or another business person who also lived in town and sent kids to private school (bi-racial family, has not\w moved I believe). The bottom line is that if people came here- for whatever reason- and complain about crime- or whatever- that doesn't make them racists! And not everyone needs to be an activist is in order to NOT be a racist. Most people just do the best they can. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: Well, since I've offended just about everyone who posts here now, glad you let your true feelings show! I just happen to be Black through no fault of my own, am proud of the accomplishments of my people and you mention military, my father fought at Anzio, Italy on the ground, a Buffalo Soldier, while the Tuskegee Airman beat the Germans A$$ in the air. 2 Uncles also fought at the Battle of the Bulge and 1 in the Navy, all WWII. My husband was involved in the Tet Offensive back in 68 and my son was military intelligence in Pusan, Korea. Yes we serve like He*l, too! Since I was fortunate to never have lived in what you call a ghetto, 13 years of Catholic School, 12 years of dancing school and violin and voice lessons, where I attended the SAME Catholic Schools my parents did, I guess I'm MORE than lucky. Not bragging either. Thought everybody did what I did, because it's the world I came from. When I hear people hint at and use certain phrases, I've lived long enough to KNOW how to read between the lines. I am NOT the dimmest bulb in the room and since you are NOT Black, don't tell me what I know and DON'T know! Peace I leave you, my Peace I give you! I go in Peace to love and serve the Lord and that's ALL I do! Have a nice life! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
And stay in well lit, busy areas! More cars and people the better. Walk as little as possible in residential areas, and always try to walk in front of a business if there is a choice. When I was at NYU (early 90s), kids always got mugged trying to cut through on 10th street (residential). If you took a longer route that kept you on Broadway and in front of businesses and you were OK. Walk on Ocean or the BW after dark, cross in front of the Berk Hotel, cross Kingsley, stay in front of Adriatic, etc. If you see something suspicious, change direction and go into the business. No where the little hotels are, the BB's... If you have to stay residential. Look up the block before you go see who is there, have one key in hand in pocket. And if you need to borrow my dog, let me know. he scares the crap out of most people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
And if it is just a mugging/jacking, cooperate and give them what they want. Your car, wallet, etc is not worth it. If it is not a mugging and they are trying to take you- do not cooperate. Kick, scream (CALL 9-1-1), use that key to jab in eye, and do whatever you can to not be removed from where you are! Lay on your back kicking so you cannot be lifted (like a toddler), make as big a scene as possible! At least that's what I would do. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: And stay in well lit, busy areas! More cars and people the better. Walk as little as possible in residential areas, and always try to walk in front of a business if there is a choice. When I was at NYU (early 90s), kids always got mugged trying to cut through on 10th street (residential). If you took a longer route that kept you on Broadway and in front of businesses and you were OK. Walk on Ocean or the BW after dark, cross in front of the Berk Hotel, cross Kingsley, stay in front of Adriatic, etc. If you see something suspicious, change direction and go into the business. No where the little hotels are, the BB's... If you have to stay residential. Look up the block before you go see who is there, have one key in hand in pocket. And if you need to borrow my dog, let me know. he scares the crap out of most people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
I meant Know where. Typing quickly. I ran into a friend right after I rescued my dog and he laughed that it was a good AP dog, No one will F*** with you with that dog! Hee hee. I hope he is right! I was just feeling a lot better and more confident in AP too. It is a shame that the crime seems to be amping up again. I always try to be street smart no matter where I am, but it kind of stinks if I live only blocks from all this great stuff and I can't walk to/from by myself without worrying again. [Although most of the shootings do seem to be targeted and take place in that one area] --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: If possible a quick jab with your index/middle fingers to the adams apple will render your attacker useless My dog is also available for borrowing Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:08:14 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night And if it is just a mugging/jacking, cooperate and give them what they want. Your car, wallet, etc is not worth it. If it is not a mugging and they are trying to take you- do not cooperate. Kick, scream (CALL 9-1-1), use that key to jab in eye, and do whatever you can to not be removed from where you are! Lay on your back kicking so you cannot be lifted (like a toddler), make as big a scene as possible! At least that's what I would do. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: And stay in well lit, busy areas! More cars and people the better. Walk as little as possible in residential areas, and always try to walk in front of a business if there is a choice. When I was at NYU (early 90s), kids always got mugged trying to cut through on 10th street (residential). If you took a longer route that kept you on Broadway and in front of businesses and you were OK. Walk on Ocean or the BW after dark, cross in front of the Berk Hotel, cross Kingsley, stay in front of Adriatic, etc. If you see something suspicious, change direction and go into the business. No where the little hotels are, the BB's... If you have to stay residential. Look up the block before you go see who is there, have one key in hand in pocket. And if you need to borrow my dog, let me know. he scares the crap out of most people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night
He's an American Bulldog mix. Looks like a pit but taller/bigger. Most people think he's a pit/mix --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Trust me, my pitbull has kept a lot of people away from me, fiance and my house. So I think your dog will do the trick as well Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:36:39 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night I meant Know where. Typing quickly. I ran into a friend right after I rescued my dog and he laughed that it was a good AP dog, No one will F*** with you with that dog! Hee hee. I hope he is right! I was just feeling a lot better and more confident in AP too. It is a shame that the crime seems to be amping up again. I always try to be street smart no matter where I am, but it kind of stinks if I live only blocks from all this great stuff and I can't walk to/from by myself without worrying again. [Although most of the shootings do seem to be targeted and take place in that one area] --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: If possible a quick jab with your index/middle fingers to the adams apple will render your attacker useless My dog is also available for borrowing Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:08:14 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night And if it is just a mugging/jacking, cooperate and give them what they want. Your car, wallet, etc is not worth it. If it is not a mugging and they are trying to take you- do not cooperate. Kick, scream (CALL 9-1-1), use that key to jab in eye, and do whatever you can to not be removed from where you are! Lay on your back kicking so you cannot be lifted (like a toddler), make as big a scene as possible! At least that's what I would do. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: And stay in well lit, busy areas! More cars and people the better. Walk as little as possible in residential areas, and always try to walk in front of a business if there is a choice. When I was at NYU (early 90s), kids always got mugged trying to cut through on 10th street (residential). If you took a longer route that kept you on Broadway and in front of businesses and you were OK. Walk on Ocean or the BW after dark, cross in front of the Berk Hotel, cross Kingsley, stay in front of Adriatic, etc. If you see something suspicious, change direction and go into the business. No where the little hotels are, the BB's... If you have to stay residential. Look up the block before you go see who is there, have one key in hand in pocket. And if you need to borrow my dog, let me know. he scares the crap out of most people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Neighborhood watch - we call the police
My house which is techinically a condo is condo'd with the mansion house on the same property. 5 units in the mansion and I am #6. Anyway, a few years back, someone broke into the basement of the mansion and stole the washer and dryer (common to all units). No one saw them. It is really kind of crazy to think of people walking off with a new washer and dryer out of a house or other large appliances! It was during the day too. I just picture these guys pushing a washer and dryer down the street on some kind of rollers and no one saying anything. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Another good thing to do is call JCPL if you have any burnt out street lights in your neighborhood. The car jacking last week took place on Bergh right across the street from me, on the block between AP Ave and 1st. There hasn't been a working street light there in years, and there's been quite a few cars broken into. A neighbor two doors away recently installed a 5 camera video surveillance system and it caught the car jacking in detail, and the video was used by the APPD to help apprehend one of the two suspects involved. The person who got away was the spotter who was in another car. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: When my home was robbed the first time, my neighbor was reluctant to call the police because he thought the thief was a contractor, we were having work done that spanned a few months, thankfully he noticed no work truck in the vicinity and he called the police What I am getting at I guess is that knowing our neighbors is important, keeping in constant contact is important, these community watch meetings are important One thing to watch for, its a known technique among AP's resident thieves...they work in groups of 2 or 3, 1 rides a bike and is the spotter, the others are the thieves breaking into the homes. The spotter will ride up and down the street keeping a lookout, while on his cell phone. Staying on the cell to keep in contact with the thieves in the house..so if you see the same person riding up and down your street 10 11 or 12 times in a rowcall the cops Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: cjlowell cjd19@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:14:07 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Neighborhood watch - we call the police I moved to the northwest section of AP 3 months ago, and I love living here. What's upsetting lately, though, is the increase of burglaries taking place in our neighborhood. Two weeks ago, my next door neighbor's house was burglarized. The thieves stole their new washer/dryer, dishwasher, and tried to take the stove but it wouldn't fit through the door. I was away for the weekend and the neigbhor's primary residence is in Manhattan. No one saw a thing, or at least -- no one called police. The contractors working on the house discovered the burglary Monday morning. Last night, I was out on my deck with 2 friends, and 2 men entered the (same) neighbor's backyard and walked up to the back door as if they lived there. As I called the police, my friend said to them, Excuse me, sir? What are you doing there? You don't live there. One of the men said, I'm checking on it for them... I'm checking the door... I work for the City... Police arrived within minutes and spoke to the 2 men, who supposedly live on Prospect behind me. I do not know the outcome of their conversation, but believe me -- my neighbors did not ask these two to check on the house. So the moral of the store is: if something doesn't look right, it probably isn't. CALL THE POLICE. The increased presence will hopefully get the message across to would-be burglars... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More troublesome crime news concerning my neighborhood
Security system was my first improvement when I bought. It is actually not that expensive and about $23/month to monitor. Also, I think you can buy the non-monitored kind pretty cheaply. Makes a loud noise at least! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, hinge98 hinge98@... wrote: We actually have motion sensor lights on both sides of the house and in this case it did nothing to stop them. And this took place at around 9 pm. We're going to put up security system signs and maybe add 2 dummy cameras. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Motion lights would scare the bejesus out of the little hellions! I had them installed on all four corners of our house, when all but one of the kids had left home. My youngest daughter saw someone looking in her room, while we were out one night, but our German Shepherd didn't bark! Police concluded that the dog knew the person. A peeping tom! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Last night, I had a conversation with a neighbor who shed some light on events that occurred last Wed. night on my block. It was approx. 8 pm when PD started circling my block with searchlights on. This went on for about 10 minutes, and eventually they parked and started searching around my house with flashlights. They checked the back yard and the alley on both sides. I had no idea what was going on. My neighbor filled me in - He called the PD when he saw a group of men or teenage boys looking into my car and my downstairs neighbors car, and proceeded to watch them approach our house and start looking in the windows of the downstairs apt. This was 2 days before I busted the little shithead trying to steal parts off of my bike. The worst part of this is my downstairs neighbor is a nurse who works nights and was asleep at the time. It appears that they were looking to break into her apt. Not good at all... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More troublesome crime news concerning my neighborhood
I have Atlantic Security and Fire, http://www.atlanticsecuritynj.com/ It is a monitored system. Alarm goes off, they call within about 30 seconds. If I don't give them the right code or answer the phone fast enough, police dispatched. The one time I didn't get to the phone bc of technical difficulties cops were there in about 2 minutes. VERY FAST. You know then as well if there is ever a problem, you can quickly lock yourself in a room and trip the alarm (say open a window if you can't get to the panic button) and then they will come. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: What system did you chose? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Security system was my first improvement when I bought. It is actually not that expensive and about $23/month to monitor. Also, I think you can buy the non-monitored kind pretty cheaply. Makes a loud noise at least! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, hinge98 hinge98@ wrote: We actually have motion sensor lights on both sides of the house and in this case it did nothing to stop them. And this took place at around 9 pm. We're going to put up security system signs and maybe add 2 dummy cameras. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Motion lights would scare the bejesus out of the little hellions! I had them installed on all four corners of our house, when all but one of the kids had left home. My youngest daughter saw someone looking in her room, while we were out one night, but our German Shepherd didn't bark! Police concluded that the dog knew the person. A peeping tom! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Last night, I had a conversation with a neighbor who shed some light on events that occurred last Wed. night on my block. It was approx. 8 pm when PD started circling my block with searchlights on. This went on for about 10 minutes, and eventually they parked and started searching around my house with flashlights. They checked the back yard and the alley on both sides. I had no idea what was going on. My neighbor filled me in - He called the PD when he saw a group of men or teenage boys looking into my car and my downstairs neighbors car, and proceeded to watch them approach our house and start looking in the windows of the downstairs apt. This was 2 days before I busted the little shithead trying to steal parts off of my bike. The worst part of this is my downstairs neighbor is a nurse who works nights and was asleep at the time. It appears that they were looking to break into her apt. Not good at all... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More troublesome crime news concerning my neighborhood
That is so scary!!! I had my alarm go off in the middle of the night and it scared the crap out of me. I am so happy I have back up- Hobie the big dog! But be thankful someone called the cops. That is the #1 thing. Just like the slogan: if you see something, say something. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Last night, I had a conversation with a neighbor who shed some light on events that occurred last Wed. night on my block. It was approx. 8 pm when PD started circling my block with searchlights on. This went on for about 10 minutes, and eventually they parked and started searching around my house with flashlights. They checked the back yard and the alley on both sides. I had no idea what was going on. My neighbor filled me in - He called the PD when he saw a group of men or teenage boys looking into my car and my downstairs neighbors car, and proceeded to watch them approach our house and start looking in the windows of the downstairs apt. This was 2 days before I busted the little shithead trying to steal parts off of my bike. The worst part of this is my downstairs neighbor is a nurse who works nights and was asleep at the time. It appears that they were looking to break into her apt. Not good at all... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The mean streets of asbury...
To paint a pic... I am a 37 yr old woman (although I think I do not look a day over 25). I am 5'3, about ugghhh 120 lbs. Basically the least intimidating person. Ever. I just walked from the Stone Pony to my house on 6th. I do have to say I am very comfortable in urban environments- hell if I can land at the New Delhi, India airport on my own, surely I can handle Asbury Park. On my travels at 1130 pm, I passed a gay couple having an argument and a heavy-set woman walking her pug. What's my point? Yeah, the lines aren't straight, the parking sucks, but at least it IS getting better. I am not afraid. You should not be either and that IS progress. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Cubacan
I went there last night and was really impressed. The place is beautiful, with a Cuban nightclub feel. They had a live band. The ceviche and Cuban pork was awesome. The service was pretty good considering they just opened. The staff seem nervous and a very eager to please. Overall two thumbs up!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
Good advice! You can be friends with the city of Asbury Park on facebook, and the mayor posts messages. People then have been commenting on the mayor's posts- most have been very negative obviously. We live in a country that is not Iraq- we can question our leaders. Not all of us have the inclination or the time to be local politicians, but if we live here we can say something and we can vote. We need to hold our leaders accountable. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: So, here is my advice. The next time the Weather channel says that we may get a big snow storm, get the powers that be together in a room and come up with an action plan before the first flake. And don't treat the residents of AP like they don't matter. I will follow my advice. The next time I hear there is going to be significant snow I am getting out of AP and the Shore. I will never be subject to this imcompetence again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
Ok, I have to say again. Yes, this is not Iraq, nor are we trapped in a mine or suffering after Hurricane Katrina BUT just because our situation is not a million other horrible situations that are obviously much worse is irrelevant. The issue is simple. There is no comparing it to any other disaster or other situation. We had a snow storm. We live in a state that gets snow storms periodically. We have a right to ask why our town cannot handle snow removal without thinking Well, I wonder why my street is a mess four days after a storm, but I shouldn't complain because at least I am not in a refugee camp in central Africa. I drove today. AP is MUCH worse than any place else I drove. I walked around with the dog a bit too and it was FREAKING INSANE. People walking like zombies down the center of streets that are still snow covered on day 4. Come on. Yes, this is not the black plague or a nuclear disaster, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about why our town can't seem to remove snow. If we were hit by a giant tidal wave, I wouldn't ask the mayor why my street was a mess, but this is snow. And snow that was from a storm that was predicted DAYS in advance. Why was there no plan? Where were the plows? I have an idea. People at the Jersey shore think we don't get snow. So, when we do, it is a big shock. So, here is my advice. The next time the Weather channel says that we may get a big snow storm, get the powers that be together in a room and come up with an action plan before the first flake. And don't treat the residents of AP like they don't matter. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Trust me, from my personal experience, AP under 10ft of snow, unplowed for 2wks, is a much better stay than The Sandbox Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:27:52 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] iraq or ap Be happy you have snow and figure it out. You could be in a worse place.far ar away [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
I was thinking the same thing re: emergency services esp since I have a young child. Since the street isn't plowed, my condo association has not had anyone come and plow the driveway of shovel us out. I am waa back from the street and there are huge snow drifts and a fence in my way. I feel very trapped- not good. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: 5th Avenue from Grand Ave to the beachfront has been impassable for 2 days. Not a plow in sight. This is the worst snow response I have ever seen in 30 years here. And there have been similar storms. Looking around, it appears that Sunset Ave and Park Ave across the lake from me are also snow-bound. The risk from lack of access is huge... there is no way fire and emergency services to help people in parts of the City if needed. My conclusion over the past several years that Asbury Park is dysfunctional appears to be panning out on many levels. Regards to All- Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
And the the funny thing is,the way the snow has drifted, it is really deep between my front door and the driveway, but after I put my daughter to sleep, I suited up to start tackling it. We have no garage or storage so the snow shovel was placed in this little space on the side of the house. The way the snow blew though- it blew into that little space and it is as high as I am in there (that has never happened before) so the shovel is hidden and the snow is too deep for me to get in and try to find it! :) Ugghh Bah humbug! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: I was thinking the same thing re: emergency services esp since I have a young child. Since the street isn't plowed, my condo association has not had anyone come and plow the driveway of shovel us out. I am waa back from the street and there are huge snow drifts and a fence in my way. I feel very trapped- not good. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: 5th Avenue from Grand Ave to the beachfront has been impassable for 2 days. Not a plow in sight. This is the worst snow response I have ever seen in 30 years here. And there have been similar storms. Looking around, it appears that Sunset Ave and Park Ave across the lake from me are also snow-bound. The risk from lack of access is huge... there is no way fire and emergency services to help people in parts of the City if needed. My conclusion over the past several years that Asbury Park is dysfunctional appears to be panning out on many levels. Regards to All- Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
My husband said that there are cars stuck all over on Main and even an ambulance is stuck. My street now has one car wide path down the middle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: True. It's amazing that the city had plenty of warning for this storm, yet as it unfolded there was no road sanding or salting, no early plowing, nothing. Even Main street is a nightmare. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: The issue is not money... recall that the City has not had any problem spending money it does not have for the past decade. The problem is not having the skill set to deal with this. The two most experienced public works employees were relieved/fired/retired last month. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I have never seen such an incredibly non-existent snow removal plan in my life. My street is a nightmare. My downstairs neighbor is a nurse, and it's going to take all day to get her car out. The only plowing that occurred left 1 car wide lane in the middle of the street, and there's 3 car widths of heavy snow between. What a joke. Where did all the money go that AP made from parking? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Esp since AP is a relatively small city that is basically a grid. Plows and salt trunks should have been going constantly throughout the storm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: I'm taking your question as facetious. Waiting until there is several feet accumulated is ridiculous. The proper process is to start sanding/salting when snowfall starts. Followed by clearing during the storm so that accumulations on streets do not occur leading to the stuck vehicles you mention. Dealing with a heavy snowfall is s much art as it is science and requires experienced leadership to be effective. Waiting until a storm is over and then trying to address it is clearly irresponsible. Certainly there can be extenuating circumstances (available resources, equipment/manpower), but the basic process is well known. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Did any of you ever try to plow 3-4 feet of snow - with cars stuck in the road? Front end loaders are one of the only ones to start making a path. In ot, we just got plowed out 7 am Tues . The county hasnt been able to clear all of norwood ave. With layoffs and v-days and limited equipment along with record blowing snowfall Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
I don't think the problem is about driving cars around. If people have an emergency, vehicles can't get through. Others NEED to get to work (either because they are are nurses/doctors or bc they are simply supporting their family and don't have the most understanding of employers). Moreover, it is all well and good to walk around and be peaceful about it, but I don't keep a ton of food in my house and I am not walking down the middle of the street with a 17 month old on my back. Luckily, I took this week off from work anyway because if not, there is no way my employer in NYC would be understanding about me taking 3 or 4 days for a snow storm. People in North Jersey where my mother lives have been driving since Monday afternoon and she claims they also got a lot of snow. It is about planning and execution as Werner said. The Stone Pony cancelled shows through Thursday? That is four days for a storm. In my mind, that is unacceptable. And just because it isn't as bad as what the miners went through- I mean how could you even compare to something like that?- Doesn't mean we don't have a right to have our town execute a cohesive plan to clean our streets after a snow storm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: I was worried about my neighbor getting to her job (she's a nurse) but honestly,I don't mind being snowed in. Plus I got plenty of exercise. What worries me the most is how are any emergency service vehicles going to get to people in case of emergency. Currently there's a stuck garbage truck at the end of mystreet, and a stuck tractor trailer on main. Mostly, just think about what the Chilean miners endured. We have nothing to complain about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, terrariumlife terrariumlife@ wrote: Are we really this pathetic that we have to freak out about not being able to drive our cars around? I know that it's important for ambulances and fire trucks to be able to get around, but I found it quite comforting (for one day only - today everyone was as out as they could be to buy bread, salt, or whatever they couldn't walk to get) to be able to walk around the area and not be surrounded by hundreds of cars. All that I could think was this is how it should be. F--- cars! People freak out about a little bit of snow, as if it's all over. Is your home life that bad? Maybe go outside? 33 degrees and full sun isn't that bad, actually. I'm usually the one that complains about the weather (in the spring and summer when it's not hot enough). This is just reality. We live at 40 degrees latitude in a humid temperate/humid subtropical climate. This is the temperate side. It snows here. I don't want to be a jerk, but I feel like we can do better as humans. My rant isn't fully directed toward list subscribers, but I think there are more important things to worry about than if your street is plowed. Ever hear of hydraulic fracturing? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
I have to add though that it is not just Asbury- the whole shore area seems to be having trouble. I grew up in North Jersey as I've said before and the worst storm I ever experiences there took 48 hours max to clean up, usually it is 24 hours. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: I don't think the problem is about driving cars around. If people have an emergency, vehicles can't get through. Others NEED to get to work (either because they are are nurses/doctors or bc they are simply supporting their family and don't have the most understanding of employers). Moreover, it is all well and good to walk around and be peaceful about it, but I don't keep a ton of food in my house and I am not walking down the middle of the street with a 17 month old on my back. Luckily, I took this week off from work anyway because if not, there is no way my employer in NYC would be understanding about me taking 3 or 4 days for a snow storm. People in North Jersey where my mother lives have been driving since Monday afternoon and she claims they also got a lot of snow. It is about planning and execution as Werner said. The Stone Pony cancelled shows through Thursday? That is four days for a storm. In my mind, that is unacceptable. And just because it isn't as bad as what the miners went through- I mean how could you even compare to something like that?- Doesn't mean we don't have a right to have our town execute a cohesive plan to clean our streets after a snow storm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I was worried about my neighbor getting to her job (she's a nurse) but honestly,I don't mind being snowed in. Plus I got plenty of exercise. What worries me the most is how are any emergency service vehicles going to get to people in case of emergency. Currently there's a stuck garbage truck at the end of mystreet, and a stuck tractor trailer on main. Mostly, just think about what the Chilean miners endured. We have nothing to complain about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, terrariumlife terrariumlife@ wrote: Are we really this pathetic that we have to freak out about not being able to drive our cars around? I know that it's important for ambulances and fire trucks to be able to get around, but I found it quite comforting (for one day only - today everyone was as out as they could be to buy bread, salt, or whatever they couldn't walk to get) to be able to walk around the area and not be surrounded by hundreds of cars. All that I could think was this is how it should be. F--- cars! People freak out about a little bit of snow, as if it's all over. Is your home life that bad? Maybe go outside? 33 degrees and full sun isn't that bad, actually. I'm usually the one that complains about the weather (in the spring and summer when it's not hot enough). This is just reality. We live at 40 degrees latitude in a humid temperate/humid subtropical climate. This is the temperate side. It snows here. I don't want to be a jerk, but I feel like we can do better as humans. My rant isn't fully directed toward list subscribers, but I think there are more important things to worry about than if your street is plowed. Ever hear of hydraulic fracturing? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisem...@... wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I live here year round and I have a child who is a toddler. I work in NYC 3 days a week, and at home 2 days. Commuting into the city is horrible and the schools are a huge deterrent. So is the crime -- once you have kids, things change in that regard as well. I would like to move, to be honest, but I am waiting for the market to get a bit better first. There are MANY things I love about AP, but for new families to move in, the negatives still outweigh the positives at this point. I think rentals would be better, to attract the younger 20 somethings first who want to live somehwere cool with an awesome music scene and stuff to do. Then when enough of those 20 somethings stay and have children, the schools will change... Like Hoboken! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
For those of us who have kids, but would never send their kids to AP schools, I think it is wrong to assume that is based on any kind of white fear. I would not send my daughter to the AP schools bc they stink. Plain and simple. (The Hope Academy is not ranked very well either.) If I stay here, I will send her to the Ranney School bc I want her to go to an Ivy League school or MIT (if she so chooses), not a local community college. I have talked with other parents of all colors and no one with means will send their kids to the AP schools whatever race, or will for early years and then they are out. I hope my daughter is smart and I want her to be challenged, and I don't think she would be in the public schools here where a huge percentage of the students do not even test as proficient in core subjects! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer It is a chicken and egg thing like I said. Tommy DeSeno outlined it here a couple of years ago. AP schools became defacto segregated. If the grammar schools get turned around the high school will follow. But AP schools share the same socio-economic problems as most urban schools in poor neighborhoods. How do you fix it? Short of gentrification which really does not solve the problem for those who move out to another non-gentrifying area, no one has seem to come up to the answer. So I see AP for some years as not being a full time family place. Solve the school equation and you have it licked. But you know, as long as the schools are made safe, they would be okay. I assume there are a lot of dedicated teachers. My neice just started teaching at Hope and she is excellent and a former NYC teacher who taught in similar neighborhoods. My daughter teaches in Brooklyn (special ed) and her students are mainly immigrant children. I see the tide turning already with many immigrants going to AP schools in uniforms. And if we are honest with ourselves, a lot of it is just WHITE FEAR. And I am no one to talk because my kids went to catholic schools while even living in a white middle class neighborhood. But me and my wife went to catholic grammar and high schools and so did our kids. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
My house (it is a carriage house about 1200 sq feet give/take, it is a condo with 5 units in the Mansion house) was billed in AP at almost $8000/year. It was lowered then til about $6k, but yeah if I had to pay another couple of grand on top of that for the crappy schools system I would be pissed. The funny thing, was that before they condo'd teh lot, the whole thing with the big house and everything was $9000/year. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: Dan just sums it all up. Those boys from Brooklyn. Imagine if you had to pay school taxes for real - what those property taxes would be? Here's a summary of a new tax bill I just got on a property I own in Ocean Twp. The lot is 100x100 and next to wet lands and is on a DIRT road. The HOUSE is only 700 sq ft and assessed at $226,000 (paid $181,000 for it, and not worth a dime more...) The breakdown on taxes: County: $ 707.30 Open Space: $45.34 REGIONAL SCHOOL TAX: $2863.22 ( LOOK LOOK) Library: $40.81 MUNI TAX: $970 FIRE DEPT: $106.55 (WORTH EVERY DIME) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Anyone else get a call (recording) on their phone about how there have been lots of breakins (car and home) and to be alert, report suspicious activity etc... The only way it ends is for everyone to call the cops when they see anything AND for the cops to give people a hard time. When the area gets too hot, the bad guys will go elsewhere. We also need landlords and such to want to bring there places up to code and rent to people who are not junkies and dealers.. And they need to break up the school system and integrate with Ocean or another wealthier school district. Really section 8 should be broken up state-widec and spread out everywhere. As long as we keep our poor segregated, poverty begets more poverty and it really doesn't change. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepey...@... wrote: yikesreading this for the first time. I just walked back from the Tides 30 minutes ago after a great dinner with my wife to our home on 6th Avecould have been us. We have to get this under control. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07712@ wrote: Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 50 States, 50 Awesome Vacations - MSN.com....
I cannot picture myself on a motorcycle. I have never even ridden a moped :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Uggghhh! I live on 6th and I am so sick of this shit! Honestly! I have had it. People, if you see any suspicious behavior please call the cops immediately. I know the people on this Board are the kind of people who will actually call the cops, but I just had to say it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Savages, if you get descriptions, please let me know, so I can go Mel Gibson on their asses In an unrelated note, I had to pick up 2 children out of the street yesterday (5th Ave), after almost being pummeled by a cab, both under 3yrs of age, when I carried them out of the street and back to their house, I kept knocking and ringing the doorbell so someone could bring them inside, after 5mins of no one coming to the door, I pounded on it and it kinda came open. The kids kept saying momma inside So I kept yelling hello, anyone home? Walked inside about 3ft (the stench kept me from going further), I found said mother, passed out, half naked, needles and dope on coffee table, what a wonderful thing for the kids huh? So I scooped the kids back up, took them to my porch and called our friends in Blue, cops took mother and kids Sad, almost brought me tears once I processed the whole thing A SERIOUS cleanup needs to happen in AP, a purge if you will, Between the crime and lack of parenting, the rebirth seems so far away after being so close Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:03:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Attack in AP last night Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
And honestly, not to be a downer, not I am so over this place right now. I have been here 5 1/2 years and yeah, some things have gotten better and I do like the music scene, beach etc., but I have kid now and I am so sick of reading/hearing about about the violence every freaken day. I am still in the position where my house has lost so much value that to get out of it, I would owe the bank too much to make it worth it to me to sell... So frustrated! I have had enough. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Uggghhh! I live on 6th and I am so sick of this shit! Honestly! I have had it. People, if you see any suspicious behavior please call the cops immediately. I know the people on this Board are the kind of people who will actually call the cops, but I just had to say it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Savages, if you get descriptions, please let me know, so I can go Mel Gibson on their asses In an unrelated note, I had to pick up 2 children out of the street yesterday (5th Ave), after almost being pummeled by a cab, both under 3yrs of age, when I carried them out of the street and back to their house, I kept knocking and ringing the doorbell so someone could bring them inside, after 5mins of no one coming to the door, I pounded on it and it kinda came open. The kids kept saying momma inside So I kept yelling hello, anyone home? Walked inside about 3ft (the stench kept me from going further), I found said mother, passed out, half naked, needles and dope on coffee table, what a wonderful thing for the kids huh? So I scooped the kids back up, took them to my porch and called our friends in Blue, cops took mother and kids Sad, almost brought me tears once I processed the whole thing A SERIOUS cleanup needs to happen in AP, a purge if you will, Between the crime and lack of parenting, the rebirth seems so far away after being so close Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07712@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:03:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Attack in AP last night Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Ha! We have an alarm system, security lights, and my dog is 1/2 American Bulldog so he looks like a big, white pit bull :) He does really bark to when someone comes to our door and is intimidating in that way- so we do have that part covered! Although FYI- pit bulls scare people but they are bred, ironically, to be super human friendly, so they make crappy guard dogs. Rotties are better :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Whenever my husband wants to walk around at night I always say take the dog! I for sure feel better when I am with him. He is very friendly, but I wouldn't say never hurt a fly when it comes to my dog. I think if someone tried to attack/hurt us, he would fight to the death. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Although our dog LOOKS like a pit, we believe he is an American Bulldog (mixed with something else non-bully) and they're a little different from an APBT. Hobie barks ferociously when anyone approaches the house (like a good guard dog), even if I am there. I actually have to put him in the bathroom when guests come because he scares the crap out of people (then he calms down after a couple of minutes and I let him out). If he were out, and I was there, he would just sniff them until he decided they were ok and that's that. We've never had an actual aggression problem with this dog, he doesn't need a muzzle at the vet/groomer, and he generally likes everyone he meets. It is just the look of him, and his confidence and barking that is scary, but that is what makes him a good guard dog. If someone tried breaking in my house, they would be confronted with a 70+ lb white pit looking thing barking very ferociously and I think that would keep them out! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: But then again, if anyone did try to break in, they'd probably turn around once they saw him Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: cbrianwatk...@... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:19:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: cbrianwatk...@... Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Same here, but if someone broke into my house when we weren't home, he'd sit on their lap before he chases them out lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:13:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Whenever my husband wants to walk around at night I always say take the dog! I for sure feel better when I am with him. He is very friendly, but I wouldn't say never hurt a fly when it comes to my dog. I think if someone tried to attack/hurt us, he would fight to the death. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakdorf@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Save GRock
http://www.petitiononline.com/grock/petition.html If anyone else is upset that a another radio station went the way of the IPOD/hits format, I inc the link to the petition to save GRock. I, personally, thought the radio station was the best in the area, and one of the only, if not the only, alternative station. Now it plays hits like Beyonce and such and has no onair talent at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
Oak- what you wrote has nothing to do with a local radio station changing format. How about that GRock use to sponsor local concerst all the time, and now that sponsorship is gone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
No, I meant it will be gone bc they no longer play that music any more. Why would they sponsor concerts at the Pony for bands that they do not play? As for their ratings- well all radio ratings are down. Don't know how much better a Z100 wannabe station would do. At least they had a niche. Now, they are just another station playing the same stuff as a number of other stations. If you look at the APP article, there are a larger number of comments about the change, almost 100% negative. There is a Save GRock group on facebook that has 3500 members and there were more than 1500 sigatures on the petition when I signed it. Hey, it may all be in vain, but their spokesperson said that local support for their change was critical Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
Or said another way, everyone here is always talking about AP and its music scene. Well, a huge part of the music scene here (Pony, Convention Hall) and at Starland is alternative. Beyonce will not be playing at the Pony any time soon. But the one station that would sponsor shows and announce shows at these venues is now gone. I think that is a loss to our music scene. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Dog Emergency
If no one can take the dog, have the woman bring it to the SPCA in Eatontown. As far as I know, they do not put dogs down unless they are un-adoptable (ie, agression issues). That's where we rescued our dog and he was there for months before we did. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mickar...@... wrote: hi folks- this is the email an asbury resident sent to the rescue group we both volunteer for. please contact me by email or cell if you can help. thanks! chris mccarthy 732-616-4745 marilyn and i were left with a note on our door this morning about a 1yr old pitbull, apparently the woman who has the dog is going to put it to sleep unless she finds a home for it, i dont know why, i dont know if the dog is agressive, i have no info right now i have tried calling her this morning but i could only leave a message, no one picked up i have NO OTHER INFO on this dog as of yet.but i have two questions #1 - do we have room at the rescue?? #2 - if we dont have room, is there anyone who can foster the dog? (we will not be able to foster the dog at this time) **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark
I can't open the file. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: Having been unable to find the Tax Sale list on the City webste I called the tax collector's office and they were kind enough to email me a copy. The City website continues to have operating issues apparantly as there is no mention of the sale and the camera is still dead, among other things. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the AsburyPark group. File: /WernerAPNJ/txsllist.asc Uploaded by : wernerapnj wernerapnj@ Description : 2008 Tax Sale List You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/txsllist.as c To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.ht mlfiles Regards, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin
It only discusses what cannot be said in the courtroom not generally, how to refer to persons in the courtroom. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Why would you disagree? Allow government to outlaw words? Allow judges the power of prior judicial restraint of speech which has been disallowed since the passing of the bill of rights? Gee, I don't. What could possibly go wrong? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin
I am not sure why I even bother, bc I know you will just keep arguing for argument's sake. But, I do not see a court order, I see a letter stating that he will inform staff to refrain from using certain terms deemed offensive. As I am sure you would agree that it would be not appropriate for judges to call a defendant or litigant any number of non-politically correct term, this is just oine more. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: It only discusses what cannot be said in the courtroom not generally, how to refer to persons in the courtroom. A courtroom is a place for advocacy to lead finders of fact to the truth. The worst place in the world we can censor language is in a courtroom. Only? It only censors in a courtroom? I can think of no more dangerous place for censorship than a court room. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin
Please stop with the personalizing nonsense. I did not express an opinion positive or negative about what the court did, I was just pointing out that you mischaracterized the article, I assume, to start another inflamatory discussion thread. I have honestly had enough of this board and these discussions. Have fun! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Official!
I have to say that last night was such a wonderful night. I had voted for Obama in the primary and I eagerly cast my vote yesterday at 6am. When I got home from work, I put on the tv first thing and cheered as the results came in. For all that our country has gotten wrong lately, it is incredibly positive that a man who was not born into wealth and privilege, and who has dedicated his adult life to public service, can go from the child of a single-mother to the president of the US. Amazing. And he did it with the help of regular people, donating $20 here, $10 there. Then I read the comments that have been flying around on this board today, and the comments on App.com ,and I am horrified. Racism galore and insane ignorance. I work in NYC and most of my life I have lived in or very near NYC. Other than living in Costa Rica briefly, AP is the farthest I have ever lived from NYC. The point- some of you in this area are making me very eager to move back! It is very sad that the day after such a historic day, some of you have to post reminders that racism is still alive and well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From a Friend
I don't understand why Republicans talk about socialism when Obama wants to take away one of the Bush tax cuts (for people making over a certain amount), when McCain voted against the Bush Tax cuts. Here is a video of him flip flopping all over about the tax cuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F1IuoR-o24 Should Obama take them all away? Would that satisfy the right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is that word again. What is prejudice about discussing wealth redistribution? He is half white so maybe it is the white part of him that we disagree with. God knows they are always screwing things up. --- On Wed, 11/5/08, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] From a Friend To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 3:53 PM Last night we made history and with that said I could not let this moment pass without putting some thoughts on paper to share will all of you. I must admit that I was not a firm supporter of president elect Barack Obama in the beginning. His eloquence seemed a bit contrived and his perceived lack of experience and quick rise to power worried me. This along with years of my own insecurities clouded my judgment based on a fear of what could be and past experiences in my own life. However, my conscious would not allow me to forego my deep rooted principals and as I learned more about Barack I could see how important this election is for us as Americans. Barracks win ushered a new era which will set the bar even higher, not only for Barack, but also for each and every one of us. Make no mistake that many challenges still lay ahead and that the issues that we face today will probably take as many years to overcome as it took for them to materialize. However, let us not be so quick to blame the other party for our shortcomings. We all must accept blame and responsibility for where we are today and for not doing our part in ensuring those we elected to office followed our charge and mandate. We have just as much at stake as Barack does in the next four years. We all need to do our part to ensure that future generations do not have to go through the crisis that has enveloped us today and that we continue to remain vigilant and educated on the issues we face. Speak up often and let your voice be heard! I put AMERICANS in caps for a reason. In order to succeed we need to shed our prejudices and treat each other with more respect. We need to stop self segregating and no longer view ourselves as African American, Hispanic American, Italian American, and so on, but rather as what we truly are one united body, one voice, one people, all AMERICAN, pure and simple. We have a responsibility to our family, community, and country. We need to take responsibility for our own actions and understand that life is fraught with obstacles and that it is up to us to perceiver. That no one is going to give you a handout, but rather a helping hand. That we need to work hard and instill those same principles and morals in our children so that they can grow up and make this a better world. That we need to do our part to conserve our resources and make due with less and that WE the people are still the ones that have control. That this is a government of the people by the people for the people, and that no politician has the right to make that decision for you. We still have many other hurdles ahead of us from global warming, to basic human rights, gay rights, equal pay, and the list goes on. So stand tall, stand proud, but most importantly respect one another! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
It is just silly. All the issues we have before us and the story is the new house of a candidate's former preacher and that the house is large? Seriousely, what's the point? Why doesn't Fox do an expose on Sarah Palin's church? I wonder what size house that witch doctor preacher lives in :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Michael- Are you aware of whether there will be local attorneys or others around to assist voters in AP if there is a voting machine or other issue? I am aware that there will be a number of attorneys available generally, I was just wondering whether there would be any here (as we are not a battle ground state). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. He has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
