[AsburyPark] Re: One excellent AP causality of Irene
I think I passed your home, yesterday. Saw a cottage all overgrown with ivy or some kind of creepy vine. Library Park looks a mess without the debris. Sorry you have to live so close to that eyesore. Doesn't even look like a park. So sad. I also noticed the parking situation. It doesn't make Asbury Park look visitor friendly. Better pay if you intend on visiting here. In that one regard, it cancels how sincere the ruling council is. The fights' all gone out of me. Most of the time I just read the Group to get a feel for what's going on. The Press doesn't write us up well at all. I noticed too that just like Katrina, AP bussed the poor out. Unlike New Orleans, the bullet missed AP, unlike North Jersey, where all of the rivers crested and evacuations are continuing today. I don't know if fighting City Hall is worth it. As the Bible says, the poor you will have with you always. I'll close with that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: The one remaining Asbury Partners Jewel by the Sea sign in the Adriatic parking lot has been blown away! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One excellent AP causality of Irene
Hi Sharon. Yeah, my place is the mustard colored one. The abandoned apt. building is both an eyesore and people use the area behind it to go to the bathroom and do drugs/drug deals. That cottage is a nightmare. It's currently home to a family of feral cats and kittens. It's been that way for years. About once a month, the lady who owns it stops by and does the worst job of cleanup around the property imaginable. I don't understand how it could sit there like that for years without the city taking action. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: I think I passed your home, yesterday. Saw a cottage all overgrown with ivy or some kind of creepy vine. Library Park looks a mess without the debris. Sorry you have to live so close to that eyesore. Doesn't even look like a park. So sad. I also noticed the parking situation. It doesn't make Asbury Park look visitor friendly. Better pay if you intend on visiting here. In that one regard, it cancels how sincere the ruling council is. The fights' all gone out of me. Most of the time I just read the Group to get a feel for what's going on. The Press doesn't write us up well at all. I noticed too that just like Katrina, AP bussed the poor out. Unlike New Orleans, the bullet missed AP, unlike North Jersey, where all of the rivers crested and evacuations are continuing today. I don't know if fighting City Hall is worth it. As the Bible says, the poor you will have with you always. I'll close with that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: The one remaining Asbury Partners Jewel by the Sea sign in the Adriatic parking lot has been blown away! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Good advice! You can be friends with the city of Asbury Park on facebook, and the mayor posts messages. People then have been commenting on the mayor's posts- most have been very negative obviously. We live in a country that is not Iraq- we can question our leaders. Not all of us have the inclination or the time to be local politicians, but if we live here we can say something and we can vote. We need to hold our leaders accountable. I am friends with them and have been commenting there Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
Good advice! You can be friends with the city of Asbury Park on facebook, and the mayor posts messages. People then have been commenting on the mayor's posts- most have been very negative obviously. We live in a country that is not Iraq- we can question our leaders. Not all of us have the inclination or the time to be local politicians, but if we live here we can say something and we can vote. We need to hold our leaders accountable. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: So, here is my advice. The next time the Weather channel says that we may get a big snow storm, get the powers that be together in a room and come up with an action plan before the first flake. And don't treat the residents of AP like they don't matter. I will follow my advice. The next time I hear there is going to be significant snow I am getting out of AP and the Shore. I will never be subject to this imcompetence again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
I will never be subject to this imcompetence again. that's why soon to be old folks like me and you belong in Fl this time of year... Ok. The comparison to Iraq was out there... AP, like many other towns, STATE and COUNTY roads were and some still are screwed up. And I've been from AC up to Newark the past few days. The uturn ramps weren't cleaned up at all til this am or yesterday pm. 35 was and still is screwed up in some spots. The SP copter flew over a few times yesterday. I had to drive to newark the other night as someone gave me 4 tix to the devil game. Mass transit (my first choice) would of been $88 for 4 people round trip from Long Branch. Driving w/parking @ $15 was about $33. There's a whole issue there. So what happens? Almost everyone going to the Pru Center (first time there) drove. I couldn't get off 18 to get ot the parkway via hope road - so headed up 18 to the turnpike and it was a smooh ride -arrived about the same time the train would of. Just pissed I drove. Should it cost so much to use mass transit and keep cars off the road? No train/game package. Go figure. here's another problem, while no one was prepared (except deal)many residents aren't prepared either. 1. Have not one, but two snow shovels. Good chance one may break. 2. Jsut because you live in an apartment and park your in the street doesn't mean you don't need a snow shovel. 3. Most of us are really unprepared - as our own cars can't drive in snow (none in this deep snow). If you drive even in a bit of snow - have a shovel, gloves and a flashlight in your car. A couple pieces of carpet help as well. And if some asshole stops to help you, don't curse him out. In a city such as AP, maybe a good move would be to utilize the parking garage or other public lots as a staging area for homes with no driveways or multi family units that don't have sufficent parking - like many are lacking. Another move if you don't have a driveway - take the car off the street and move it up to the lawn as a temporary measure. And when you shovel, thy to throw the snow on your yard not the street. Easy to say I know. And don't forget - like Bloomy wondered - was it a general work slowdown - given all these budget cuts and layoff proposals. And for companies that made the employees come to work on a state declared emergency - nice. Telecommute if you can. Somehow we manage to do it with India. And finally, kiss a latino. They were they only ones out shoveling all our store parking lots all hours of the night. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
Ok, I have to say again. Yes, this is not Iraq, nor are we trapped in a mine or suffering after Hurricane Katrina BUT just because our situation is not a million other horrible situations that are obviously much worse is irrelevant. The issue is simple. There is no comparing it to any other disaster or other situation. We had a snow storm. We live in a state that gets snow storms periodically. We have a right to ask why our town cannot handle snow removal without thinking Well, I wonder why my street is a mess four days after a storm, but I shouldn't complain because at least I am not in a refugee camp in central Africa. I drove today. AP is MUCH worse than any place else I drove. I walked around with the dog a bit too and it was FREAKING INSANE. People walking like zombies down the center of streets that are still snow covered on day 4. Come on. Yes, this is not the black plague or a nuclear disaster, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about why our town can't seem to remove snow. If we were hit by a giant tidal wave, I wouldn't ask the mayor why my street was a mess, but this is snow. And snow that was from a storm that was predicted DAYS in advance. Why was there no plan? Where were the plows? I have an idea. People at the Jersey shore think we don't get snow. So, when we do, it is a big shock. So, here is my advice. The next time the Weather channel says that we may get a big snow storm, get the powers that be together in a room and come up with an action plan before the first flake. And don't treat the residents of AP like they don't matter. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Trust me, from my personal experience, AP under 10ft of snow, unplowed for 2wks, is a much better stay than The Sandbox Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:27:52 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] iraq or ap Be happy you have snow and figure it out. You could be in a worse place.far ar away [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: Be happy you have snow and figure it out. You could be in a worse place.far ar away Dave - the snow removal response sucked. It borders on criminal. I don't know who is to blame but the results are unacceptable. You and I in the private sector measure things that way. The results. Late to the game. Not only AP and other Shore towns, but NYC as well. Disgraceful and as I said, bordering on criminal. This is not Iraq. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: iraq or ap
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: So, here is my advice. The next time the Weather channel says that we may get a big snow storm, get the powers that be together in a room and come up with an action plan before the first flake. And don't treat the residents of AP like they don't matter. I will follow my advice. The next time I hear there is going to be significant snow I am getting out of AP and the Shore. I will never be subject to this imcompetence again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Thanks, Mario! It just seem to me, the link you provided really echos a symptom of society today. Some individuals take license in denigrating others, to get the victims' ire up! Yes, it has been quiet here. And so what? Everything we agreed/disagreed with on how the redevelopment has gone, promises made then broken and were going to be broken anyway...First the Palace, just for starters, the Charms building, the gutting of the Casino, leaving it almost a useless shell, by so-called developers for lack of a better word. Residents show up to question, just what the h...@* is going on on the West Side with the mountains of dust and refuse, plus the total disrespect of the residents and few businesses that rely on the same residents to make their living, IN said area. Is it me? I don't think so. In a City with the worst schools in the State, where the cost to dis-educate children of color goes unchallenged, you have to ask, what's wrong with this picture? Since the City doesn't control the education system here, nor for that matter, the Board of Ed., it's no wonder, what passes for an education is a system of unending and systemic failure! I have no degree in Education, but I'll bet I'd be a hell of a better tutor than SOME certified teachers! My success in being a coach for 10 or more years have resulted in every girl I coached is an educated professional, whether they became a physician, lawyer, advertising exec or a CPA. Trust me, the little girls I was privileged to coach became just some of those professions. Most of them are on my Facebook Page, along with Pop Warner photos and a lot of good memories. When you tell a kid over and over that they can become ANYTHING they want and there's a world out there, bigger than Monmouth County, you have a formula for success! Why? Because I said so, echoing my good, Catholic Mother! I used to think that anyone could teach. Not so in todays' society and I don't think an educator can be paid enough for the crucifixions they go through, daily! I've never met Oakdorf personally, but by his nurturing and education of his kids in the what ifs and the why fors, I'd say he's an excellent example for his children. He uses good old fashioned common sense coupled with parental love and genuinely likes his kids, so now, I'll get down off my soap box and hope I haven't stepped on any toes! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: I'll echo both Sharon and Brian. For me, the anonymity of some posters here is what makes this forum less useful than others where people have to identify themselves. Newbee's redundant questions are more like taunts. This Op-Ed piece says it all for me. The writer is a Facebook product design manager: Online, Anonymity Breeds Contempt http://nyti.ms/gppmpA http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/opinion/30zhuo.html?partner=rssnytemc=rss In a message dated 12/1/2010 5:14:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon_b...@... writes: Brian, I'd like to echo yours and Oakdorf's last reply, because I was taken aback by these remarks: __ Is the AP redevelopment moving forward or not? It the whole thing in bankruptcy? Is there construction activity during the winter? Oakdorf's comment about measuring success by his kids having jobs and reading history books is laughable. If that's the majority opinion AP is doomed. Whats the anticipated tax rate when the State stops funding the deficit? __ Look here, Mr. SMUG, beetoap or whatever handle you label yourself; If you're so above us little people, take out a subscription to either the Asbury Park Press or The Coaster! They're really CHEAP for a High Society Dude/Dudette, like YOU! Really! The subjects you want to know about have been HASHED/RE-HASHED infinitum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Very nice place, I walked by it and explored the lobby. The train station and everything in Dresden was fabulous. The level of attention to detail in the architecture is amazing. NJ seems like a wreck after seeing this. I notice there's been no significant activity on here in almost a week. My questions are unanswered. I don't understand the mentality. Everyone seems to have an opinion but no one has any facts? Teddy's comments were very interesting, he was apparently involved in the 80s, Would you post some more of your recollections? You commented that I share Werner's concerns about lighting. Is he still here? Seems to be the resident expert. The basics of good planning and design are obvious if you know the subject. How can the members of this board come to any conclusions about the redevelopment without the needed knowledge base? Is the AP redevelopment moving forward or not? It the whole thing in bankruptcy? Is there construction activity during the winter? Oakdorf's comment about measuring success by his kids having jobs and reading history books is laughable. If that's the majority opinion AP is doomed. Whats the anticipated tax rate when the State stops funding the deficit? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: This is where I stayed during my many visits to Dresden: http://www.kempinski.com/en/dresden/Pages/Welcome.aspx --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I've read your older posts and what you're saying doesn't make sense. Funkyness, meaning deteriorating buildings is what you think is a sign of progress? Not what you wrote about in the past talking about your trip over here. The architecture, the respect for culture and all. I'm going to see the rail station today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Hauptbahnhof It reminds me of the building that was at the south end of AP. I'm sure it will not be a funky ruin but will be a thriving economic asset to Dresden. From 2008 when I first came to AP, I expected the south end of the boardwalk to be rehabilitated by now like all the PR was saying. Is that too much to expect considering that's why the city gave it up for development? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
For someone who only visits AP you sure are extemely concerned about the city, At any rate, you would be best suited directing your questions to Terry Reidy No one on this board has the answers you're looking for. You know what they say about people doing/saying/writing the same things over and over expecting different results but getting the same results... Its the same questions from you, over and over, and the same responses from everyone over and over again I honestly don't mind, but at what point will you finally realize no one here has the answers you are looking for, and furthermore, wouldn't you want to hear it straight from the horses mouth instead of 2nd or 3rd hand? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: new_beetoap newbeet...@ymail.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:57:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. Very nice place, I walked by it and explored the lobby. The train station and everything in Dresden was fabulous. The level of attention to detail in the architecture is amazing. NJ seems like a wreck after seeing this. I notice there's been no significant activity on here in almost a week. My questions are unanswered. I don't understand the mentality. Everyone seems to have an opinion but no one has any facts? Teddy's comments were very interesting, he was apparently involved in the 80s, Would you post some more of your recollections? You commented that I share Werner's concerns about lighting. Is he still here? Seems to be the resident expert. The basics of good planning and design are obvious if you know the subject. How can the members of this board come to any conclusions about the redevelopment without the needed knowledge base? Is the AP redevelopment moving forward or not? It the whole thing in bankruptcy? Is there construction activity during the winter? Oakdorf's comment about measuring success by his kids having jobs and reading history books is laughable. If that's the majority opinion AP is doomed. Whats the anticipated tax rate when the State stops funding the deficit? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: This is where I stayed during my many visits to Dresden: http://www.kempinski.com/en/dresden/Pages/Welcome.aspx --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I've read your older posts and what you're saying doesn't make sense. Funkyness, meaning deteriorating buildings is what you think is a sign of progress? Not what you wrote about in the past talking about your trip over here. The architecture, the respect for culture and all. I'm going to see the rail station today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Hauptbahnhof It reminds me of the building that was at the south end of AP. I'm sure it will not be a funky ruin but will be a thriving economic asset to Dresden. From 2008 when I first came to AP, I expected the south end of the boardwalk to be rehabilitated by now like all the PR was saying. Is that too much to expect considering that's why the city gave it up for development? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Oakdorf's comment about measuring success by his kids having jobs and reading history books is laughable. If that's the majority opinion AP is doomed. What's the anticipated tax rate when the State stops funding the deficit? Laugh all you want. They work in the city. Their friends work in the city. Their friends live in the city. Their friends SPEND MONEY in the city (more then they earn...). I spend money in the city. I spend money watching my kids earn their money sometimes... I took a couple friends out other night - to AP. We went to Taka. Only my second time there ( I have to admit, I have another sushi place I frequent). We had fun there. I spent money there. We parked in the free parking. We waited for an hour for our table - by spending money at rafferty's. Oh, I point this out because at 7 pm on a saturday night in downtown AP, apparently lots of other people were spending money in AP- eating drinking and I guess having fun and still saying loudly - I can't believe all the people...someday... I know it was a saturday night and the rest of the week might be dead - but there were lots of people from all walks of life in AP pissing away cash. For some measure, I'd call that progress- like it or not. That wasn't happening 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 or even 30 years ago. Income from parking meters. Income from beach revenues. Or you may say something like after getting -- for years a baby is born and you give it life- feed it, raise it and nuture it until it matures. And yea I told my kids to read. Read a history book. Maybe Helen owes my kid a few $ for every customer she told to pick up a copy of Helen's book. I have to go cook now. It's that time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Brian, I'd like to echo yours and Oakdorf's last reply, because I was taken aback by these remarks: Is the AP redevelopment moving forward or not? It the whole thing in bankruptcy? Is there construction activity during the winter? Oakdorf's comment about measuring success by his kids having jobs and reading history books is laughable. If that's the majority opinion AP is doomed. Whats the anticipated tax rate when the State stops funding the deficit? Look here, Mr. SMUG, beetoap or whatever handle you label yourself; If you're so above us little people, take out a subscription to either the Asbury Park Press or The Coaster! They're really CHEAP for a High Society Dude/Dudette, like YOU! Really! The subjects you want to know about have been HASHED/RE-HASHED infinitum. AGH! So the Group is too quiet, so MAKE SOME NOISE as they say on the New York Radio Stations..And when you RAG on someone's KIDS? You really got my IRE UP! What does Oakdorf's love of his children, the fact that they managed to get jobs, etc., so bad that you have to come in here; our Group and get NEW on us? Yeah, Ah'm takin it to the streets in my BEST New Orleans accent! One thing I can't stand and that's a 2-bit PHONY! Get your own DA@ Group, then, since we don't REPEAT ourselves enough for you! Amused now? Get a friggin LIFE, Already! In the Mean Timeperson To every person that lives in this Hip City: Happy Hannukah, Felice Navidad, Joyeaux Noel, Buon Natale MERRY CHRISTMAS A HAPPY PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR to ALL Asbury Parkers! You're simply the BEST! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: For someone who only visits AP you sure are extemely concerned about the city, At any rate, you would be best suited directing your questions to Terry Reidy No one on this board has the answers you're looking for. You know what they say about people doing/saying/writing the same things over and over expecting different results but getting the same results... Its the same questions from you, over and over, and the same responses from everyone over and over again I honestly don't mind, but at what point will you finally realize no one here has the answers you are looking for, and furthermore, wouldn't you want to hear it straight from the horses mouth instead of 2nd or 3rd hand? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: new_beetoap newbeet...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:57:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. Very nice place, I walked by it and explored the lobby. The train station and everything in Dresden was fabulous. The level of attention to detail in the architecture is amazing. NJ seems like a wreck after seeing this. I notice there's been no significant activity on here in almost a week. My questions are unanswered. I don't understand the mentality. Everyone seems to have an opinion but no one has any facts? Teddy's comments were very interesting, he was apparently involved in the 80s, Would you post some more of your recollections? You commented that I share Werner's concerns about lighting. Is he still here? Seems to be the resident expert. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I'll echo both Sharon and Brian. For me, the anonymity of some posters here is what makes this forum less useful than others where people have to identify themselves. Newbee's redundant questions are more like taunts. This Op-Ed piece says it all for me. The writer is a Facebook product design manager: Online, Anonymity Breeds Contempt http://nyti.ms/gppmpA http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/opinion/30zhuo.html?partner=rssnytemc=rss In a message dated 12/1/2010 5:14:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon_b...@yahoo.com writes: Brian, I'd like to echo yours and Oakdorf's last reply, because I was taken aback by these remarks: __ Is the AP redevelopment moving forward or not? It the whole thing in bankruptcy? Is there construction activity during the winter? Oakdorf's comment about measuring success by his kids having jobs and reading history books is laughable. If that's the majority opinion AP is doomed. Whats the anticipated tax rate when the State stops funding the deficit? __ Look here, Mr. SMUG, beetoap or whatever handle you label yourself; If you're so above us little people, take out a subscription to either the Asbury Park Press or The Coaster! They're really CHEAP for a High Society Dude/Dudette, like YOU! Really! The subjects you want to know about have been HASHED/RE-HASHED infinitum. AGH! So the Group is too quiet, so MAKE SOME NOISE as they say on the New York Radio Stations..And when you RAG on someone's KIDS? You really got my IRE UP! What does Oakdorf's love of his children, the fact that they managed to get jobs, etc., so bad that you have to come in here; our Group and get NEW on us? Yeah, Ah'm takin it to the streets in my BEST New Orleans accent! One thing I can't stand and that's a 2-bit PHONY! Get your own DA@ Group, then, since we don't REPEAT ourselves enough for you! Amused now? Get a friggin LIFE, Already! In the Mean Timeperson To every person that lives in this Hip City: Happy Hannukah, Felice Navidad, Joyeaux Noel, Buon Natale MERRY CHRISTMAS A HAPPY PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR to ALL Asbury Parkers! You're simply the BEST! --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , cbrianwatk...@... wrote: For someone who only visits AP you sure are extemely concerned about the city, At any rate, you would be best suited directing your questions to Terry Reidy No one on this board has the answers you're looking for. You know what they say about people doing/saying/writing the same things over and over expecting different results but getting the same results... Its the same questions from you, over and over, and the same responses from everyone over and over again I honestly don't mind, but at what point will you finally realize no one here has the answers you are looking for, and furthermore, wouldn't you want to hear it straight from the horses mouth instead of 2nd or 3rd hand? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: new_beetoap newbeet...@... Sender: _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:57:08 To: _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Reply-To: _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. Very nice place, I walked by it and explored the lobby. The train station and everything in Dresden was fabulous. The level of attention to detail in the architecture is amazing. NJ seems like a wreck after seeing this. I notice there's been no significant activity on here in almost a week. My questions are unanswered. I don't understand the mentality. Everyone seems to have an opinion but no one has any facts? Teddy's comments were very interesting, he was apparently involved in the 80s, Would you post some more of your recollections? You commented that I share Werner's concerns about lighting. Is he still here? Seems to be the resident expert. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I've read your older posts and what you're saying doesn't make sense. Funkyness, meaning deteriorating buildings is what you think is a sign of progress? Not what you wrote about in the past talking about your trip over here. The architecture, the respect for culture and all. I'm going to see the rail station today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Hauptbahnhof It reminds me of the building that was at the south end of AP. I'm sure it will not be a funky ruin but will be a thriving economic asset to Dresden. From 2008 when I first came to AP, I expected the south end of the boardwalk to be rehabilitated by now like all the PR was saying. Is that too much to expect considering that's why the city gave it up for development? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
First off, have fun in Dresden. It's one of my favorite cities in Europe. I spent quite a bit of time there. My feelings about AP do in fact include missing some of the deteriorating buildings, mainly because I'm a photographer and decay can look beautiful if you know how to shoot it. I will always miss the AP I grew up spending time in. It breaks me heart to think about what it was like here in the 1960's, and to this day I still think the current boardwalk pavilions have zero character and are more strip mall then anything. Generic, boring architecture. On the other hand, I still love the city and I see it's potential. I love our music scene big time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: I've read your older posts and what you're saying doesn't make sense. Funkyness, meaning deteriorating buildings is what you think is a sign of progress? Not what you wrote about in the past talking about your trip over here. The architecture, the respect for culture and all. I'm going to see the rail station today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Hauptbahnhof It reminds me of the building that was at the south end of AP. I'm sure it will not be a funky ruin but will be a thriving economic asset to Dresden. From 2008 when I first came to AP, I expected the south end of the boardwalk to be rehabilitated by now like all the PR was saying. Is that too much to expect considering that's why the city gave it up for development? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
AP is definitely a photographers dream Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:57:51 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. First off, have fun in Dresden. It's one of my favorite cities in Europe. I spent quite a bit of time there. My feelings about AP do in fact include missing some of the deteriorating buildings, mainly because I'm a photographer and decay can look beautiful if you know how to shoot it. I will always miss the AP I grew up spending time in. It breaks me heart to think about what it was like here in the 1960's, and to this day I still think the current boardwalk pavilions have zero character and are more strip mall then anything. Generic, boring architecture. On the other hand, I still love the city and I see it's potential. I love our music scene big time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: I've read your older posts and what you're saying doesn't make sense. Funkyness, meaning deteriorating buildings is what you think is a sign of progress? Not what you wrote about in the past talking about your trip over here. The architecture, the respect for culture and all. I'm going to see the rail station today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Hauptbahnhof It reminds me of the building that was at the south end of AP. I'm sure it will not be a funky ruin but will be a thriving economic asset to Dresden. From 2008 when I first came to AP, I expected the south end of the boardwalk to be rehabilitated by now like all the PR was saying. Is that too much to expect considering that's why the city gave it up for development? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
This is where I stayed during my many visits to Dresden: http://www.kempinski.com/en/dresden/Pages/Welcome.aspx --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: I've read your older posts and what you're saying doesn't make sense. Funkyness, meaning deteriorating buildings is what you think is a sign of progress? Not what you wrote about in the past talking about your trip over here. The architecture, the respect for culture and all. I'm going to see the rail station today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Hauptbahnhof It reminds me of the building that was at the south end of AP. I'm sure it will not be a funky ruin but will be a thriving economic asset to Dresden. From 2008 when I first came to AP, I expected the south end of the boardwalk to be rehabilitated by now like all the PR was saying. Is that too much to expect considering that's why the city gave it up for development? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I suggest you reach out to Terry Reidy, he will be able to answer ALL your questions in much better detail than anyone in this group. If you would like his number I could provide that for you Once you speak to him, it would be great if you could report back to the group on your findings Thanks, Is Terry a participant here? I don't find him in the members list. Phoning won't be practical until after the new year, when I'm back in the US. I was hoping to get the local take on things since most active posters seem/claim to know what's going on. At least several were quick to be defensive in the past. I'm surprised that the only answers are 'buy my book', 'read the paper', and 'talk to Terry'. Does anyone here have some current facts instead of opinions or pointing at someone else? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Where are you currently traveling? I'm about to do a few weeks in Europe and North Africa Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: new_beetoap newbeet...@ymail.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:47:23 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I suggest you reach out to Terry Reidy, he will be able to answer ALL your questions in much better detail than anyone in this group. If you would like his number I could provide that for you Once you speak to him, it would be great if you could report back to the group on your findings Thanks, Is Terry a participant here? I don't find him in the members list. Phoning won't be practical until after the new year, when I'm back in the US. I was hoping to get the local take on things since most active posters seem/claim to know what's going on. At least several were quick to be defensive in the past. I'm surprised that the only answers are 'buy my book', 'read the paper', and 'talk to Terry'. Does anyone here have some current facts instead of opinions or pointing at someone else? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: How you measuring progress? I see progress as I have two kids now employed by an AP merchant. For me, that's progress - I'm not handing out gas money or clothing $ to them. Progress. Next summer, my 12 year kid and me will be celebrating my 50th and her 21st... We're going to have a drink or two to celebrate. It was just yesterday she was climbing around some haunted buildings. I was lucky then it was cheap entertainment. I was more scared then they were. Progress. I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? You should probably read www.state.nj.us/dca/lgs/authreg/statutes/40a_12a_1.pdf 40A:12A-2. Findings, determinations, declarations 2. The Legislature hereby finds, determines and declares: a. There exist, have existed and persist in various communities of this State conditions of deterioration in housing, commercial and industrial installations, public services and facilities and other physical components and supports of community life, and improper, or lack of proper, development which result from forces which are amenable to correction and amelioration by concerted effort of responsible public bodies, and without this public effort are not likely to be corrected or ameliorated by private effort. b. From time to time the Legislature has, by various enactments, empowered and assisted local governments in their efforts to arrest and reverse these conditions and to promote the advancement of community interests through programs of redevelopment, rehabilitation and incentives to the expansion and improvement of commercial, industrial, residential and civic facilities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Where are you currently traveling? I'm about to do a few weeks in Europe and North Africa Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Germany - Its remarkable how Europeans embrace their culture and history. Unlike the US. That's what strikes me about AP - almost everyone I mention NJ to asks about Springsteen and AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Ahhh the notherland, my father's family comes from Germany, are you traveling the whole country? I stayed with family 2yrs ago while there. Ended up staying 10extra days that trip Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: new_beetoap newbeet...@ymail.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:34:36 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Where are you currently traveling? I'm about to do a few weeks in Europe and North Africa Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Germany - Its remarkable how Europeans embrace their culture and history. Unlike the US. That's what strikes me about AP - almost everyone I mention NJ to asks about Springsteen and AP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
OK - 'Industrial park' was a bit harsh - not baiting, however the area shows very little thought to commonly accepted design practices. The lighting is horrible, nicely implemented fixtures mixed with floodlights, that belong in an industrial park. Uncontrolled glare is everywhere. I think this has been Warner's sentiments on more than a few occasions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeet...@... wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Plus, some of us actually like the funkyness of AP. Even though it was a wreck, I miss the Metropolitan Hotel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, new_beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I guess the immediate impact between you and your kids is positive. Don't you look beyond that? That's all you consider? I hope you're kidding - right? Nope. It's not shangri-La. It's Asbury. Always was, always will be in some weird form. As far as looking beyond that - sure. It's a place they saw as a dump, now they see it a BIT better then that. Still problems. They see it. They see it for what it is and was. And they both read Helen's book Asbury Park Glory days, read all my clippings of old articles and more. They avoid certain areas, go to others and see it for what it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I got interested in AP in 2008 after reading the PR about how the ENTIRE boardwalk would be redeveloped by these new guys Madison Asbury. Went to visit and there were signs of activity but it was not what was advertised. Joined this group to get some facts, voiced some criticisms and was beaten up by virtually eveyone. Well, a few more visits and there was still no progress with this 'redevelopemnt'. Came back twice this year hoping for the best but there is still no progress. That's 3 years since the big PR announcement. And from what I read 10 years of redevelopment efforts this time around. Why is nothing happening? Why are nonperforming developers not kicked out? Why is the area allowed to look like a perpetual industrial park? And now the westside is apparently being bulldozed over. Could someone just explain what is going on? Thanks --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael Downing mkdow...@... wrote: As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@... cbrianwatk...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Why are nonperforming developers not kicked out? Need to have a contract clause that mandates a performance bond. Why is nothing happening? There's good stuff happening, and the business owners, musicians, and artists who are working long hours to hang in through this recession on would appreciate your patronage. That includes me. Buy one of my 2 books on Asbury Park. Why is the area allowed to look like a perpetual industrial park? That's a bit of harsh description* , and I've traveled through the industrial park that is Edison and the one just off the parkway in Lakewood and the one the lines Port Elizabeth. Asbury Park looks like none of those. * could be why city residents who post to this chatroom jumped on you. They LIVE here, after all. And now the westside is apparently being bulldozed over. Inaccurate, and again I wonder about your choice of words. Either you are deliberately trying to provoke an angry reaction from those who read and post in this chatroom... ...or you do not you understand that what's happening along Springwood (which is NOT the entire West Side) is the installation of a long over due sewer and utility upgrade. Please think about subscribing to The Coaster newspaper and then, perhaps, you'd be a little better informed than your posts suggest. Just trying to be helpful.  Helen Pike | www.HelenPike.com  From: new_beetoap newbeet...@ymail.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 9:05:25 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I got interested in AP in 2008 after reading the PR about how the ENTIRE boardwalk would be redeveloped by these new guys Madison Asbury. Went to visit and there were signs of activity but it was not what was advertised. Joined this group to get some facts, voiced some criticisms and was beaten up by virtually eveyone. Well, a few more visits and there was still no progress with this 'redevelopemnt'. Came back twice this year hoping for the best but there is still no progress. That's 3 years since the big PR announcement. And from what I read 10 years of redevelopment efforts this time around. Why is nothing happening? Why are nonperforming developers not kicked out? Why is the area allowed to look like a perpetual industrial park? And now the westside is apparently being bulldozed over. Could someone just explain what is going on? Thanks --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael Downing mkdow...@... wrote: As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@... cbrianwatk...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Thanks for the reply. So, there is no safety valve in the contracts? That would be a huge oversight on the part of the town since they are supposed to be looking out for the publics interests. Sorry to hear that... The 'good stuff' you mention, while nice, is really not what I was asking about. The purpose of handing over redevelopment rights is that actual construction take place in a timely manner to create tax revenue and economic sustainability. The struggling folks you cite are struggling in large part from lack of development. OK - 'Industrial park' was a bit harsh - not baiting, however the area shows very little thought to commonly accepted design practices. The lighting is horrible, nicely implemented fixtures mixed with floodlights, that belong in an industrial park. Uncontrolled glare is everywhere. I saw lots filled with construction materials in prime locations, broken fences, torn up sidewalks. And that abandoned foundation certainly makes a statement.along with the merry go round building. Just so you know I have enjoyed myself at the various venues, but that's not what redevelopment is all about. Having fun does not indicate a success in redevelopment. What is the net change in tax revenue from hard assets compared to say 5 years ago? Offset that with the increased cost of government and where is AP? As I read it there was to be $1B in investment by now along the beachfront alone. Numerous complaints have been publicized from residents of the westside regarding mountains of dirt, construction materials, impeding access to businesses. The area is described as a 'redevelopment zone'. It's not being bulldozed over? What are the boundaries of that zone? What I would like to find out specifically is what is the status of the beachfront? It's reported that there is a default/bankruptcy involved. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pike helenpike2...@... wrote: Why are nonperforming developers not kicked out? Need to have a contract clause that mandates a performance bond. Why is nothing happening? There's good stuff happening, and the business owners, musicians, and artists who are working long hours to hang in through this recession on would appreciate your patronage. That includes me. Buy one of my 2 books on Asbury Park. Why is the area allowed to look like a perpetual industrial park? That's a bit of harsh description* , and I've traveled through the industrial park that is Edison and the one just off the parkway in Lakewood and the one the lines Port Elizabeth. Asbury Park looks like none of those. * could be why city residents who post to this chatroom jumped on you. They LIVE here, after all. And now the westside is apparently being bulldozed over. Inaccurate, and again I wonder about your choice of words. Either you are deliberately trying to provoke an angry reaction from those who read and post in this chatroom... ...or you do not you understand that what's happening along Springwood (which is NOT the entire West Side) is the installation of a long over due sewer and utility upgrade. Please think about subscribing to The Coaster newspaper and then, perhaps, you'd be a little better informed than your posts suggest. Just trying to be helpful.  Helen Pike | www.HelenPike.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I suggest you reach out to Terry Reidy, he will be able to answer ALL your questions in much better detail than anyone in this group. If you would like his number I could provide that for you Once you speak to him, it would be great if you could report back to the group on your findings Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: new_beetoap newbeet...@ymail.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:39:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. Thanks for the reply. So, there is no safety valve in the contracts? That would be a huge oversight on the part of the town since they are supposed to be looking out for the publics interests. Sorry to hear that... The 'good stuff' you mention, while nice, is really not what I was asking about. The purpose of handing over redevelopment rights is that actual construction take place in a timely manner to create tax revenue and economic sustainability. The struggling folks you cite are struggling in large part from lack of development. OK - 'Industrial park' was a bit harsh - not baiting, however the area shows very little thought to commonly accepted design practices. The lighting is horrible, nicely implemented fixtures mixed with floodlights, that belong in an industrial park. Uncontrolled glare is everywhere. I saw lots filled with construction materials in prime locations, broken fences, torn up sidewalks. And that abandoned foundation certainly makes a statement.along with the merry go round building. Just so you know I have enjoyed myself at the various venues, but that's not what redevelopment is all about. Having fun does not indicate a success in redevelopment. What is the net change in tax revenue from hard assets compared to say 5 years ago? Offset that with the increased cost of government and where is AP? As I read it there was to be $1B in investment by now along the beachfront alone. Numerous complaints have been publicized from residents of the westside regarding mountains of dirt, construction materials, impeding access to businesses. The area is described as a 'redevelopment zone'. It's not being bulldozed over? What are the boundaries of that zone? What I would like to find out specifically is what is the status of the beachfront? It's reported that there is a default/bankruptcy involved. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pike helenpike2...@... wrote: Why are nonperforming developers not kicked out? Need to have a contract clause that mandates a performance bond. Why is nothing happening? There's good stuff happening, and the business owners, musicians, and artists who are working long hours to hang in through this recession on would appreciate your patronage. That includes me. Buy one of my 2 books on Asbury Park. Why is the area allowed to look like a perpetual industrial park? That's a bit of harsh description* , and I've traveled through the industrial park that is Edison and the one just off the parkway in Lakewood and the one the lines Port Elizabeth. Asbury Park looks like none of those. * could be why city residents who post to this chatroom jumped on you. They LIVE here, after all. And now the westside is apparently being bulldozed over. Inaccurate, and again I wonder about your choice of words. Either you are deliberately trying to provoke an angry reaction from those who read and post in this chatroom... ...or you do not you understand that what's happening along Springwood (which is NOT the entire West Side) is the installation of a long over due sewer and utility upgrade. Please think about subscribing to The Coaster newspaper and then, perhaps, you'd be a little better informed than your posts suggest. Just trying to be helpful.  Helen Pike | www.HelenPike.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
How you measuring progress? I see progress as I have two kids now employed by an AP merchant. For me, that's progress - I'm not handing out gas money or clothing $ to them. Progress. Next summer, my 12 year kid and me will be celebrating my 50th and her 21st... We're going to have a drink or two to celebrate. It was just yesterday she was climbing around some haunted buildings. I was lucky then it was cheap entertainment. I was more scared then they were. Progress. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: I hope my daughter is smart and I want her to be challenged, and I don't think she would be in the public schools here where a huge percentage of the students do not even test as proficient in core subjects! Do you think that is because of the teachers? A teacher can do so much. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I agree, I went to school in Lakewood, was one of two whites in my whole grade through my freshman year of HS, so white fear is the least of my concerns. If the education received was better with the current demographics I'd be happy to send my child to AP schools, cultural diversity is priceless So the AP schools suck because of the teachers? Because of the administration? So failing urban schools suck because of these elements too? Then it should be a snap to solve. I don't give me the argument of teacher unions. There are sucky teachers all over the place not just in these failing schools. I've see failing schools become great schools. It is because the parents follow through with the schools. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
No its a plethora of things, and #1 on my list is the parents, or lack thereof 2wks ago, HomeComing Football game for the 3-Time Defending State Champs (3 time defending champs RARELY happens in NJ) Take a guess how many parents were thereI saw TWO Abbott Schools is another problem Teachers are hovering around the bottom of my list to be honest, anyone can teach, its everything else that is the problem Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:06:44 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I agree, I went to school in Lakewood, was one of two whites in my whole grade through my freshman year of HS, so white fear is the least of my concerns. If the education received was better with the current demographics I'd be happy to send my child to AP schools, cultural diversity is priceless So the AP schools suck because of the teachers? Because of the administration? So failing urban schools suck because of these elements too? Then it should be a snap to solve. I don't give me the argument of teacher unions. There are sucky teachers all over the place not just in these failing schools. I've see failing schools become great schools. It is because the parents follow through with the schools. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
In a message dated 11/15/2010 3:27:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cbrianwatk...@gmail.com writes: anyone can teach == Not just anyone. Anyone 1) who has a command of the subject matter and continues with refresher and advanced courses; 2) who has a knowledge of teaching styles and methods and continues with career-long professional improvement plans (PIPs); 3) who has the right temperament; 4) who knows how to communicate with the age group involved; 4) who is mentored by experienced teachers; and 5) who is carefully supervised by competent administrators before tenure is granted -- just for starters. I speak from experience in a district which for decades has been rated among the top in the county based on standardized test scores. The district has high rates of college admissions, low absenteeism, lots of involvement by parents who respect education, and close supervision of teachers by their supervisors. And in that almost ideal environment, scores of novice teachers couldn't measure up to the tasks in their job descriptions. Fortunately for the students, the district was able to dismiss them after reasonable interventions didn't work. A competitive salary scale always guaranteed an ample pool of applicants, highly qualified on paper, from which to choose replacements. Among those who couldn't cut it were many coming from the private sector via various well-meaning fast-track credentialing programs. I don't know the answer for troubled school systems. I followed Michelle Rhee closely as she tried to reform the D.C. system. She recently resigned, apparently because her job security was threatened after the mayoral election there. PBS's NewsHour devoted considerable coverage to both Rhee and to those who tried to rebuild and reform New Orleans' system after Katrina. Three of those NewsHour reports can be found under External Links at the Wiki entry for Rhee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee . The titles for the reports prior to her resignation are revealing: Part 1: D.C. Schools Chief Rhee Faces High Expectations for System Reform; Part 2: In Battle to Revamp D.C. Schools, Education Leader Faces Resistance; Part 3: In Washington, D.C., Schools Chief Faces Tough Choices. Very complex issues. And it doesn't help to have a governor in NJ whose only tactics seem to involve scapegoating teachers and unions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the waterfront stores/restaurants Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, a lot of people etc And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Pike helenpike2...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I don't think you could assume that 2nd Homes would mean a major decline in winter business. I originally bought my condo for summer use, but find I use it year round and found I love the winter at the beach. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the waterfront stores/restaurants Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, a lot of people etc And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Pike helenpike2...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I'm not assuming a major decline, I'm assuming no growth. Its no secret the business' suffer in the winter months, if they didn't they would be open 7days a week instead of 4days Just because you and I love the beach in the winter, doesn't mean everyone else will I've watched this happen before in North Carolina, and its one of the reasons there are so many rentals in Pier Village (and surrounding buildings) Not to mention I see it every winter with my neighbors on 5th Ave, since I end up shoveling their sidewalks/driveways (you're welcome guys and gals) Now I'm not saying this would happen to EVERY condo purchased, but it would happen, and having an even number of rentals to condos would help combat that Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: maubddny filecabinet...@aol.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:49:03 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I don't think you could assume that 2nd Homes would mean a major decline in winter business. I originally bought my condo for summer use, but find I use it year round and found I love the winter at the beach. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the waterfront stores/restaurants Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, a lot of people etc And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Pike helenpike2...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I'm not assuming a major decline, I'm assuming no growth. Its no secret the business' suffer in the winter months, if they didn't they would be open 7days a week instead of 4days Winter business is tough for any business in a beach town, even including those towns near AP. Forget about LBI, that just closes after the season. There has been a whole change in retailing over the decades (malls, etc.). Restaurants can do well in AP even in the winter. What AP does have going in its favor is the continuing urbanization. In 1900 only 19% of the world's population lived in cities. By 1950, 29% did. Most demographics think it crossed the 50% mark in 2007. Empty nesters and others are flocking to the cities for the excitement, entertainment, dining, etc. So the way i see it is for AP to market itself to that draw. Keep marketing as a city, urban setting that happens to be by the beach. A unique situation. Add the entertainment and dining (which is already here). Manhattan is too far and too big for some. AP can fill a big void for people within a certain radius. The gay community has done most of the work and that will and should continue to be a draw for gays and straights alike. The key is to continue to make AP a clean and SAFE place. I think MM is nuts for not rebuilding the Casino as a multi-use banquet/wedding/dining/entertainment facility if they can get there hands on the money. I see the entertainment section by the Casino with a hotel being more successful and quicker than they probably do (but is not my money). The amount of people we've had here in one of the worse economic recessions is remarkable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I live here year round and I have a child who is a toddler. I work in NYC 3 days a week, and at home 2 days. Commuting into the city is horrible and the schools are a huge deterrent. So is the crime -- once you have kids, things change in that regard as well. I would like to move, to be honest, but I am waiting for the market to get a bit better first. There are MANY things I love about AP, but for new families to move in, the negatives still outweigh the positives at this point. I think rentals would be better, to attract the younger 20 somethings first who want to live somehwere cool with an awesome music scene and stuff to do. Then when enough of those 20 somethings stay and have children, the schools will change... Like Hoboken! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Then when enough of those 20 somethings stay and have children, the schools will change... Like Hoboken! That's what happens time and time again. Park Slope, Hoboken, parts of Philly, soon Billyburg. By the time you will be able to attract a young suburban couple with children to move here full time it will be too expensive for them to buy. Pioneers will do it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer It is a chicken and egg thing like I said. Tommy DeSeno outlined it here a couple of years ago. AP schools became defacto segregated. If the grammar schools get turned around the high school will follow. But AP schools share the same socio-economic problems as most urban schools in poor neighborhoods. How do you fix it? Short of gentrification which really does not solve the problem for those who move out to another non-gentrifying area, no one has seem to come up to the answer. So I see AP for some years as not being a full time family place. Solve the school equation and you have it licked. But you know, as long as the schools are made safe, they would be okay. I assume there are a lot of dedicated teachers. My neice just started teaching at Hope and she is excellent and a former NYC teacher who taught in similar neighborhoods. My daughter teaches in Brooklyn (special ed) and her students are mainly immigrant children. I see the tide turning already with many immigrants going to AP schools in uniforms. And if we are honest with ourselves, a lot of it is just WHITE FEAR. And I am no one to talk because my kids went to catholic schools while even living in a white middle class neighborhood. But me and my wife went to catholic grammar and high schools and so did our kids. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@gmail.com cbrianwatk...@gmail.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
The quality of life issues you mentioned will never change until they knock down the projects and replace it with new affordable housing, just like Newark did in 2008, it reduced crime in that area, homelessness, unemployment and the kids actually attended and did well in school. So many cities across the nation have modeled renovation after Corey Bookers plan with excellent results, Memphis being the latest to do so Those issues tend to bring out my conservative side. I don't have all the answers, but putting stipulations on welfare, such a kids grades meeting certain requirements, drug testing etc may be a good start. Maybe require parents to volunteer certain amount of hours at the schools too Those are tough issues with no black and white answers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:24:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@gmail.com cbrianwatk...@gmail.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
They should also add a stipulation that if the kids get in trouble (not sure how many strikes to give), that the whole family is forced to leave their subsidized housing. Let the parents take responsibility for raising their kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: The quality of life issues you mentioned will never change until they knock down the projects and replace it with new affordable housing, just like Newark did in 2008, it reduced crime in that area, homelessness, unemployment and the kids actually attended and did well in school. So many cities across the nation have modeled renovation after Corey Bookers plan with excellent results, Memphis being the latest to do so Those issues tend to bring out my conservative side. I don't have all the answers, but putting stipulations on welfare, such a kids grades meeting certain requirements, drug testing etc may be a good start. Maybe require parents to volunteer certain amount of hours at the schools too Those are tough issues with no black and white answers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:24:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@... cbrianwatk...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
That's EXACTLY what I was getting at...PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY Huge problem with that in AP Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: maubddny filecabinet...@aol.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:57:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. They should also add a stipulation that if the kids get in trouble (not sure how many strikes to give), that the whole family is forced to leave their subsidized housing. Let the parents take responsibility for raising their kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: The quality of life issues you mentioned will never change until they knock down the projects and replace it with new affordable housing, just like Newark did in 2008, it reduced crime in that area, homelessness, unemployment and the kids actually attended and did well in school. So many cities across the nation have modeled renovation after Corey Bookers plan with excellent results, Memphis being the latest to do so Those issues tend to bring out my conservative side. I don't have all the answers, but putting stipulations on welfare, such a kids grades meeting certain requirements, drug testing etc may be a good start. Maybe require parents to volunteer certain amount of hours at the schools too Those are tough issues with no black and white answers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:24:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@... cbrianwatk...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
For those of us who have kids, but would never send their kids to AP schools, I think it is wrong to assume that is based on any kind of white fear. I would not send my daughter to the AP schools bc they stink. Plain and simple. (The Hope Academy is not ranked very well either.) If I stay here, I will send her to the Ranney School bc I want her to go to an Ivy League school or MIT (if she so chooses), not a local community college. I have talked with other parents of all colors and no one with means will send their kids to the AP schools whatever race, or will for early years and then they are out. I hope my daughter is smart and I want her to be challenged, and I don't think she would be in the public schools here where a huge percentage of the students do not even test as proficient in core subjects! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer It is a chicken and egg thing like I said. Tommy DeSeno outlined it here a couple of years ago. AP schools became defacto segregated. If the grammar schools get turned around the high school will follow. But AP schools share the same socio-economic problems as most urban schools in poor neighborhoods. How do you fix it? Short of gentrification which really does not solve the problem for those who move out to another non-gentrifying area, no one has seem to come up to the answer. So I see AP for some years as not being a full time family place. Solve the school equation and you have it licked. But you know, as long as the schools are made safe, they would be okay. I assume there are a lot of dedicated teachers. My neice just started teaching at Hope and she is excellent and a former NYC teacher who taught in similar neighborhoods. My daughter teaches in Brooklyn (special ed) and her students are mainly immigrant children. I see the tide turning already with many immigrants going to AP schools in uniforms. And if we are honest with ourselves, a lot of it is just WHITE FEAR. And I am no one to talk because my kids went to catholic schools while even living in a white middle class neighborhood. But me and my wife went to catholic grammar and high schools and so did our kids. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythm...@... wrote: Summer of 2010 -Retail sales up 70% over 2009 -Restaurant sales up 30% over 2009 -Beach badge sales up 200% over 2009 -Madison Marquette currently reviewing 47 different businesses/business plans who want to move into the boardwalk pav All said and good. Lots of new people realizing AP is a great stop. Now they just more of a choice in places to stay for a long weekend. Don't forget those numbers were supported somewhat so by the weather - more or less no weekend rainouts and record temps help alot for those - hey lets go to the beach today people. A good measure is seasonal beach tags - that shows alot. Sure there are plenty of retailers to pick from - now it's a matter of placing them - downsizing others and creating spaces. Maybe later today I'll show you some intersting stats on AP home sales / inventory / prices vs the rest of the state. Interesting. The current economy is probably one the BEST things that could of ever happened to AP - now. For someone that wants to get a condo in AP - in the center of it all - the griffin will be up and running soon. Bankruptcy, foreclosures and development dreams and scams do wonders for those in the market to buy at the right time. The govt creates wealth by permitting courts and accountants to use the magic eraser - so many many people et screwed - while new poeple get in. Weath often gets tied to simply timing - planned or luck. Usually luck - regardless of what people lead you to believe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
One last thing...there has been alot of talk abiout the original redevelopment plan and its call for 3000 condos. Many wanted more of an entertainment focus for the boardwalk and I agree. It looks like MM also agrees when you consider the NJ State Hall of Fame, their support of the NJ MOMA in the heating plant, etc. Gotta believe entertainment is great for MM...people come for a Saturday night show gotta eat and drink and maybe even shop before and after it... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythmick@ wrote: Summer of 2010 -Retail sales up 70% over 2009 -Restaurant sales up 30% over 2009 -Beach badge sales up 200% over 2009 -Madison Marquette currently reviewing 47 different businesses/business plans who want to move into the boardwalk pav All said and good. Lots of new people realizing AP is a great stop. Now they just more of a choice in places to stay for a long weekend. Don't forget those numbers were supported somewhat so by the weather - more or less no weekend rainouts and record temps help alot for those - hey lets go to the beach today people. A good measure is seasonal beach tags - that shows alot. Sure there are plenty of retailers to pick from - now it's a matter of placing them - downsizing others and creating spaces. Maybe later today I'll show you some intersting stats on AP home sales / inventory / prices vs the rest of the state. Interesting. The current economy is probably one the BEST things that could of ever happened to AP - now. For someone that wants to get a condo in AP - in the center of it all - the griffin will be up and running soon. Bankruptcy, foreclosures and development dreams and scams do wonders for those in the market to buy at the right time. The govt creates wealth by permitting courts and accountants to use the magic eraser - so many many people et screwed - while new poeple get in. Weath often gets tied to simply timing - planned or luck. Usually luck - regardless of what people lead you to believe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick arhythm...@... wrote: One last thing...there has been alot of talk abiout the original redevelopment plan and its call for 3000 condos. Many wanted more of an entertainment focus for the boardwalk and I agree. It looks like MM also agrees when you consider the NJ State Hall of Fame, their support of the NJ MOMA in the heating plant, etc. Gotta believe entertainment is great for MM...people come for a Saturday night show gotta eat and drink and maybe even shop before and after it... I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Entertainment and retail is the way to go. Maybe we can support half that amount of condos. I bought close enough to the beach to walk but far enough away to not be bothered when I don;t want to be. The only problem is I am on Asbury Ave which to visitors is the only way in and out of here. The noise and traffic at night when an event is over is bothersome. Need police direction and such to work on that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Summer of 2010 -Retail sales up 70% over 2009 -Restaurant sales up 30% over 2009 -Beach badge sales up 200% over 2009 -Madison Marquette currently reviewing 47 different businesses/business plans who want to move into the boardwalk pavillion spaces for next summer. Most willing to pay the entire year's rent for a shot at the 3-month summer season. MM will have its pick of the litter this year and can say no to businesses who don't have the right plan. Good Bye Corazza, Good-bye Biggies Clams...Metro grill will gladly move into your old space. -At this rate there will be plans for the 4th avenue pavillion as well as the Sunset Ave pavillion before too long. -I only wish Live Nation would start bringing in the acts they promised... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny filecabinet...@... wrote: And when I bought in A.P. seven years ago that list would have been three times as long. It's great the town has made so much progress. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
it's the economy stupid (not you being called stupid) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: Direct from MM's webpage ... http://www.madisonmarquette.com/about_us/history History - Transforming Retail Real Estate, Creating Special Places Founded in 1992, we were an early pioneer of the modern lifestyle center concept. We believed back then that retail destinations had become homogeneous, lacked character and failed to convey a real sense of place. Our approach was to create a new kind of retail destination – a place reflective of the local community's personality and culture and a place where people could gather socially as well as shop and dine ...We will continue to remain at the forefront of innovation in retail real estate and continue our commitment to creating destinations that are distinct and convey a real sense of place for the communities they serve. - Casino abandoned - Arthur Pryor Pavilion remodeled/bastardized - 4th Ave Pavilion leggo industrial block, cat hotel - Cookman Ave urban 'art' stump field - Heating Plant abandoned - Parking lots, Parking Lots, Parking Lots.. - ConHall crumbling - Pryor Bandshell removed - Sunset Ave Pavilion useless ... reflective of the local community's personality and culture... Or is it ... homogeneous, lacked character and failed to convey a real sense of place. Wb Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
And when I bought in A.P. seven years ago that list would have been three times as long. It's great the town has made so much progress. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Anyone else get a call (recording) on their phone about how there have been lots of breakins (car and home) and to be alert, report suspicious activity etc... The only way it ends is for everyone to call the cops when they see anything AND for the cops to give people a hard time. When the area gets too hot, the bad guys will go elsewhere. We also need landlords and such to want to bring there places up to code and rent to people who are not junkies and dealers.. And they need to break up the school system and integrate with Ocean or another wealthier school district. Really section 8 should be broken up state-widec and spread out everywhere. As long as we keep our poor segregated, poverty begets more poverty and it really doesn't change. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepey...@... wrote: yikesreading this for the first time. I just walked back from the Tides 30 minutes ago after a great dinner with my wife to our home on 6th Avecould have been us. We have to get this under control. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07712@ wrote: Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Your point about landlords hits the nail on the head: We need an ordinance that holds absentee landlords responsible for the habitual criminal behavior of their tenants. You think these landlords don't know that they're renting to criminal deadbeats? If the market for that kind of lousy tenant dried up, the bad tenants would need to find somewhere else to live. Good tenant = Good neighbor. Bad tenant = Bad neighbor. Landlords are running a business, and they should be held responsible for the detriment that their business places on the surrounding community. SPEAK UP! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Anyone else get a call (recording) on their phone about how there have been lots of breakins (car and home) and to be alert, report suspicious activity etc... The only way it ends is for everyone to call the cops when they see anything AND for the cops to give people a hard time. When the area gets too hot, the bad guys will go elsewhere. We also need landlords and such to want to bring there places up to code and rent to people who are not junkies and dealers.. And they need to break up the school system and integrate with Ocean or another wealthier school district. Really section 8 should be broken up state-widec and spread out everywhere. As long as we keep our poor segregated, poverty begets more poverty and it really doesn't change. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: yikesreading this for the first time. I just walked back from the Tides 30 minutes ago after a great dinner with my wife to our home on 6th Avecould have been us. We have to get this under control. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07712@ wrote: Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
1. As for Section 8 Landlords - (or any landlords) - since I am one in Ocean Twp, I had regular tenants for 17-20 years - until I wound up with 4 dead beats at one time. I slowly accepted Section 8 or Housing Voucher tenants. Out of my 7, 5 are covered by the state/county. I guess I am lucky AND I am concerned about my neighbors - I have all good tenants - no police calls etc - they pick up their garbage and bug me if something is wrong. 2. Section 8 housing should be having TWO inspections - one from the program and one from the towen when they issue a CO. Section 8 housing is supposed to get inspected EVERY YEAR - prior to a lease being renewed by the program. They are supposed to abide by the HQS (Housing Quality Standards) see my site: http://www.rentlaw.com/section8/hqs.htm These are HUD standards. 3. Ocean Twp - we already have a very integrated school district and we ain't gettin any funding from the state. I told one of the admin we SHOULD become an ABBOTT District. I'll stop the rant now - we pay about 93% of our school budget vs AP residents paying 6% of the operating budget for their school system. 4. CAMERAS. not on tough spots - but scattered around town. 5. Now with my 2 kids both working on the BW I reminded them NOT to leave alone. They had a buddy system or the PD was around to watch them get back to their cars since they try to park WEST of Kingsley or pay for the lots. They PD has been been good 6. CODE ENFORCEMENT - start by eliminating hazards like the empty building on 8th and Kingsley - half boarded, half open windows - same on 1st. 2nd, 4th and haul all the building materials out west there is no immediate need. Enjoy another hot day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Over a year agp I started one of the larger TENANT SCREENING SERVICES for SMALL LANDLORDS in a partnership arrangement with TransUnion's SmartMove - http://rentlaw.mysmartmove.com There's a few thousand small landlords using it now. The problem is you know have many landlords that are landlords by default - they got stuck with a house and can't get out or the banks are running them. Then you have the tru hardcore landlord who doesn't care other then the rent. Section 8 landlords can evict for non-compliance with the program (any landlord can) - nuisance tenants, drugs etc... Cost you $37 to file in Monmouth county on your own. But if it's an LLC - you need a lawyer. That whole system is screwed up and protect the lawyers. And the tenant can get a free lawyer, you can't. More on rentlaw.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Uggghhh! I live on 6th and I am so sick of this shit! Honestly! I have had it. People, if you see any suspicious behavior please call the cops immediately. I know the people on this Board are the kind of people who will actually call the cops, but I just had to say it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Savages, if you get descriptions, please let me know, so I can go Mel Gibson on their asses In an unrelated note, I had to pick up 2 children out of the street yesterday (5th Ave), after almost being pummeled by a cab, both under 3yrs of age, when I carried them out of the street and back to their house, I kept knocking and ringing the doorbell so someone could bring them inside, after 5mins of no one coming to the door, I pounded on it and it kinda came open. The kids kept saying momma inside So I kept yelling hello, anyone home? Walked inside about 3ft (the stench kept me from going further), I found said mother, passed out, half naked, needles and dope on coffee table, what a wonderful thing for the kids huh? So I scooped the kids back up, took them to my porch and called our friends in Blue, cops took mother and kids Sad, almost brought me tears once I processed the whole thing A SERIOUS cleanup needs to happen in AP, a purge if you will, Between the crime and lack of parenting, the rebirth seems so far away after being so close Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:03:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Attack in AP last night Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
And honestly, not to be a downer, not I am so over this place right now. I have been here 5 1/2 years and yeah, some things have gotten better and I do like the music scene, beach etc., but I have kid now and I am so sick of reading/hearing about about the violence every freaken day. I am still in the position where my house has lost so much value that to get out of it, I would owe the bank too much to make it worth it to me to sell... So frustrated! I have had enough. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Uggghhh! I live on 6th and I am so sick of this shit! Honestly! I have had it. People, if you see any suspicious behavior please call the cops immediately. I know the people on this Board are the kind of people who will actually call the cops, but I just had to say it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Savages, if you get descriptions, please let me know, so I can go Mel Gibson on their asses In an unrelated note, I had to pick up 2 children out of the street yesterday (5th Ave), after almost being pummeled by a cab, both under 3yrs of age, when I carried them out of the street and back to their house, I kept knocking and ringing the doorbell so someone could bring them inside, after 5mins of no one coming to the door, I pounded on it and it kinda came open. The kids kept saying momma inside So I kept yelling hello, anyone home? Walked inside about 3ft (the stench kept me from going further), I found said mother, passed out, half naked, needles and dope on coffee table, what a wonderful thing for the kids huh? So I scooped the kids back up, took them to my porch and called our friends in Blue, cops took mother and kids Sad, almost brought me tears once I processed the whole thing A SERIOUS cleanup needs to happen in AP, a purge if you will, Between the crime and lack of parenting, the rebirth seems so far away after being so close Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07712@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:03:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Attack in AP last night Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
C..A..M..E..R..A..S. Take the cops away from the parking meters and hire some kids for $10 an hour to tell people how to use the meters. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
-to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I agree! Meters r ridiculous Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:57:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night C..A..M..E..R..A..S. Take the cops away from the parking meters and hire some kids for $10 an hour to tell people how to use the meters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Ha! We have an alarm system, security lights, and my dog is 1/2 American Bulldog so he looks like a big, white pit bull :) He does really bark to when someone comes to our door and is intimidating in that way- so we do have that part covered! Although FYI- pit bulls scare people but they are bred, ironically, to be super human friendly, so they make crappy guard dogs. Rotties are better :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I agree that no cops should be stationed at the meters But I have to ask, why should anyone have to stand at the meters to give people instructions? They are SOO EASY to use, and they have instructions on them I helped a guy the other day, after he was done he looked at me and said would be nice if they put instructions on here I pointed to them and said right here He looked at me again and said would be nice if I opened my eyes I thought to myself no shit huh? Enter space number Deposit Coins Hit Green Button Get Receipt Not rocket science Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:57:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night C..A..M..E..R..A..S. Take the cops away from the parking meters and hire some kids for $10 an hour to tell people how to use the meters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Whenever my husband wants to walk around at night I always say take the dog! I for sure feel better when I am with him. He is very friendly, but I wouldn't say never hurt a fly when it comes to my dog. I think if someone tried to attack/hurt us, he would fight to the death. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Pits were bred to be human friendly, you are correct, but thanks to the media, the average person thinks they're people killers Although if someone attacked me or my girlfriend in front of my dog, said attacker would be missing a limb or two, he's protective of his pack Whenever someone asks to pet our pit, we kindly say he is in training, we don't want anyone knowing he's a big teddy bear Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:10:29 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Ha! We have an alarm system, security lights, and my dog is 1/2 American Bulldog so he looks like a big, white pit bull :) He does really bark to when someone comes to our door and is intimidating in that way- so we do have that part covered! Although FYI- pit bulls scare people but they are bred, ironically, to be super human friendly, so they make crappy guard dogs. Rotties are better :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Same here, but if someone broke into my house when we weren't home, he'd sit on their lap before he chases them out lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:13:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Whenever my husband wants to walk around at night I always say take the dog! I for sure feel better when I am with him. He is very friendly, but I wouldn't say never hurt a fly when it comes to my dog. I think if someone tried to attack/hurt us, he would fight to the death. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
But then again, if anyone did try to break in, they'd probably turn around once they saw him Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: cbrianwatk...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:19:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: cbrianwatk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Same here, but if someone broke into my house when we weren't home, he'd sit on their lap before he chases them out lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:13:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Whenever my husband wants to walk around at night I always say take the dog! I for sure feel better when I am with him. He is very friendly, but I wouldn't say never hurt a fly when it comes to my dog. I think if someone tried to attack/hurt us, he would fight to the death. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
It's still hard to read on the pay station... especially if ten people are behind you... Your instructions are good and should be printed up just like that. When you get to you're late 40's, those instructions are hard to read - especially at night. You know you're old when Valerie Bertinelli is on the cover of AARP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
Although our dog LOOKS like a pit, we believe he is an American Bulldog (mixed with something else non-bully) and they're a little different from an APBT. Hobie barks ferociously when anyone approaches the house (like a good guard dog), even if I am there. I actually have to put him in the bathroom when guests come because he scares the crap out of people (then he calms down after a couple of minutes and I let him out). If he were out, and I was there, he would just sniff them until he decided they were ok and that's that. We've never had an actual aggression problem with this dog, he doesn't need a muzzle at the vet/groomer, and he generally likes everyone he meets. It is just the look of him, and his confidence and barking that is scary, but that is what makes him a good guard dog. If someone tried breaking in my house, they would be confronted with a 70+ lb white pit looking thing barking very ferociously and I think that would keep them out! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: But then again, if anyone did try to break in, they'd probably turn around once they saw him Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: cbrianwatk...@... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:19:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: cbrianwatk...@... Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Same here, but if someone broke into my house when we weren't home, he'd sit on their lap before he chases them out lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:13:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night Whenever my husband wants to walk around at night I always say take the dog! I for sure feel better when I am with him. He is very friendly, but I wouldn't say never hurt a fly when it comes to my dog. I think if someone tried to attack/hurt us, he would fight to the death. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I can tell you first hand, my pitbull, who looks very scary but wouldn't harm a fly, has been nothing short of the best security we've had No one comes within 10ft of me or my girlfriend when we walk him, and no one approaches our house when he's outside I know of a GREAT local rescue if anyone is interested Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakdorf@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:01:24 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night -to add to the CAMERAS - better street lighting - light up your sidewalks. You can get good lighting fairly cheap. or get a pit bull with a real long leash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
One of my friends works at the Stone Pony. The other night, his car was broken into while parked in a nice, brightly lit parking lot. His rear windshield was smashed, and his GPS stolen. Forget the cameras. It's never going to happen. I rallied hard for them years ago --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night
yikesreading this for the first time. I just walked back from the Tides 30 minutes ago after a great dinner with my wife to our home on 6th Avecould have been us. We have to get this under control. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: Posting msg from another group: List Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town. The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were black - the victims white and gay. The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Renting in AP vs Buying......
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: North Beach: 1 Bedrooom for rent North beach $1450. That's less then maint and taxes. another and last example on housing in AP: North Beach. 2 bed, 1700 sqft. Lsited for 740k, closed 8/4 for $519,000. Blu: from $289 closings to $315 orig over $400 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Meatloaf in AP
I'm sorry Mark, you are right I was being a bit snarky. Though I actually think a discussion on gay marriage is pertinent to ap. Like Mario, I have tried to get discussions going on other topics at the other list and have wondered why no one heads over there. I have posted this before, but I simply see this as a community, not a news or events board. Though those posts are great as well. The people here learn from one another and have gotten to know one another, its natural for people to head in off ap topics, particularly during a season when there is something so important going on that affects not only ap, but the whole world. Regardless of the original intention of the list, it is made up of human beings, not machines. relationships have been created, lessons learned etc. There is beauty in freedom and the evolution of the list, even if it is a pain in the ass sometimes. I think that the people who do a majority of the posting enjoy the various conversations seeing as they continue to engage and be engaged. And once again, I find it curious, that the people who seem to loathe the off topic posts the most are the ones who seem the least involved. When posts go off into directions that I am not interested in or are over my head, I simply skim past. But obviously others are enjoying them and learning from them. It is not my place to attempt to silence them or chide their discussion. It would make more sense to me to change the description of the list than to force conformity to a set of rules. Forcing conformity would be like squeezing a growing child into clothes he/she has outgrown. Maybe after the election people will calm down and be more likely to explore the other list. But, I warn you, if that were to happen this list would not be nearly as fun to browse! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Announcing an entertainment option in AP is talk[ing] about Asbury for a change?. Hardly a substantive discussion about Asbury. And nothing that is going to lead to any sort of discussion. No disrespect, but really... Gab you are so correct, thank you for pointing out that only your posts count on this board. After all if it wasn't for you I wouldn't know that Abe Lincoln might be gay or know about Aristotle debating gay marriage. Those postings have everything to do with being an Asbury Resident and are sooo substantial. I will ask your permission next time I send something to the list, ok? Do I have your permission to post this? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07712@ wrote: Someone said that meatloaf sold out in AP. I just checked Ticketmaster and that is not true. Tickets to meatloaf are still available. See you can't believe everything you read online! Ahhhit's nice to talk about Asbury for a change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Meatloaf in AP
Announcing an entertainment option in AP is talk[ing] about Asbury for a change?. Hardly a substantive discussion about Asbury. And nothing that is going to lead to any sort of discussion. No disrespect, but really... What do you think about the city council? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone said that meatloaf sold out in AP. I just checked Ticketmaster and that is not true. Tickets to meatloaf are still available. See you can't believe everything you read online! Ahhhit's nice to talk about Asbury for a change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Meatloaf in AP
There is always a beef with the city council yet they magically are always re-elected. If by chance one is replaced everyone thinks that that one person can make a change. They can't they are all only one vote. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Meatloaf in AP To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:01 PM Announcing an entertainment option in AP is talk[ing] about Asbury for a change?. Hardly a substantive discussion about Asbury. And nothing that is going to lead to any sort of discussion. No disrespect, but really... What do you think about the city council? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: Someone said that meatloaf sold out in AP. I just checked Ticketmaster and that is not true. Tickets to meatloaf are still available. See you can't believe everything you read online! Ahhhit's nice to talk about Asbury for a change. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
There used to be a visitors center in the 1st Ave pavillion. Forget to look if it is still there - group? I think the maps and info should be available and visible at the beach badge stationsor put a big visitors kiosk in the middle of the BW. I'm almost positive that's no longer there.
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
When was that? The 50's? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..the boardwalk once had those little trams that run up and down the BW. Pick up at both borders and make a loop through town. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
I never see any other type of public transportatiom there; just the trams on the boardwalk. We go there the 2nd week of June, yearly, for the past 20 years. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: ..the boardwalk once had those little trams that run up and down the BW. Pick up at both borders and make a loop through town. Wildwood still has them... They say, Watch the tram car, please! Always fun to hear and watch. They have their own lane. About the size of that useless extra lane on ocean ave. The tram wouldnt have to run ON the boardwalk, just near it... bump those angled parking lanes out 8 feet and move that lane all the way to the east of ocean ave, and there is your tram car lane. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of our problems would have been solved by a little information. A town map would be an excellent idea, especially if you can get the hotels to leave it in rooms and lobbies. A Visitor's Guide to Asbury Park. There used to be a visitors center in the 1st Ave pavillion. Forget to look if it is still there - group? I think the maps and info should be available and visible at the beach badge stationsor put a big visitors kiosk in the middle of the BW. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
The visitor's center is no longer at the first avenue pavilion, maps are avaiable at many of the stores in The Shoppes at the Arcade on Cookman Avenue. The map is also downloadable from the Chamber of Commerce Website at: http://www.asburyparkchamber.com/pdfs/Asbury%20Map.pdf http://www.asburyparkchamber.com/pdfs/Asbury%20Map.pdf --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy tracy@ wrote: Most of our problems would have been solved by a little information. A town map would be an excellent idea, especially if you can get the hotels to leave it in rooms and lobbies. A Visitor's Guide to Asbury Park. There used to be a visitors center in the 1st Ave pavillion. Forget to look if it is still there - group? I think the maps and info should be available and visible at the beach badge stationsor put a big visitors kiosk in the middle of the BW.
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
Thanks so much for your post and blog link. It's great to hear an outside view of our city. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm new to the list. My family just visited Asbury Park for the first time last weekend, and we liked it. I thought I would listen in on your conversation and watch as things develop. We plan to come back next year for a longer visit, if the price of gas doesn't trap us in Pennsylvania. I thought you might like to read my blog entry about the weekend. We showed up knowing nothing about the town except the association with Springsteen. (You'll have to forgive us, but he is not our favorite musician.) If we missed important stuff, it was probably because it wasn't visible to an outsider. http://rampingup.blogspot.com/2008/08/vacation-review-asbury-park-nj.html The rest of my blog is mostly about gardening and food storage. I am not a travel reviewer, and don't know anyone else that has been to AP. No ax to grind. You may disagree with some of what I said, so I'd be interested in hearing discussion. --Tracy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
I am glad you enjoyed your visit to AP and saw some of what we think is great about this city. I do think you missed the most important part of the redevelopement of AP...and that is the downtown. We have a vibrant downtown...great shops...great restaurant...and a warm and friendly atmosphere. So please come back again and see downtown which will be the real reason AP gets back on the map. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm new to the list. My family just visited Asbury Park for the first time last weekend, and we liked it. I thought I would listen in on your conversation and watch as things develop. We plan to come back next year for a longer visit, if the price of gas doesn't trap us in Pennsylvania. I thought you might like to read my blog entry about the weekend. We showed up knowing nothing about the town except the association with Springsteen. (You'll have to forgive us, but he is not our favorite musician.) If we missed important stuff, it was probably because it wasn't visible to an outsider. http://rampingup.blogspot.com/2008/08/vacation-review-asbury-park- nj.html The rest of my blog is mostly about gardening and food storage. I am not a travel reviewer, and don't know anyone else that has been to AP. No ax to grind. You may disagree with some of what I said, so I'd be interested in hearing discussion. --Tracy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
I do think you missed the most important part of the redevelopment of AP...and that is the downtown. We have a vibrant downtown...great shops...great restaurant...and a warm and friendly atmosphere. So please come back again and see downtown which will be the real reason AP gets back on the map. I do plan to come back. But here is where the parking problem smacks you in the face. Once we got one of the free hotel parking spaces, we didn't want to leave it. We didn't want to get stuck in a metered space and be ticketed, or have to feed it all weekend. Is there some kind of shuttle between the beachfront and downtown? From the front of the hotel, there is a long park and some vacant lots - it makes the rest of AP seem far away and disconnected. No visual cue about which street to walk up to find the main street of downtown, or how far away it might be. I'm sure you must have taxis, but I didn't see one, and the hotel is too disorganized to offer the level of service where they would recommend visiting downtown and get you a cab. We had followed Google map directions to get to the hotel, and they did took us down Asbury Ave, not Cookman. We didn't see Cookman until we were on the way out of town. I see your point about wanting a farmer's market closer to the rest of the folk that *live* in AP - those are the people that will sustain a market year-round. How about someone starting a market kiosk in the beachfront area? Put it in one of those shipping containers everyone seems to love or hate. Orient it toward providing fresh fruit and veg to non-cooking visitors for snacking and beach eating. Sell hummus and dip, cheese, crusty bread, etc. We need something to offset all those fried clam strips and ice cream drinks. :-) --Tracy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But here is where the parking problem smacks you in the face. Once we got one of the free hotel parking spaces, we didn't want to leave it. We didn't want to get stuck in a metered space and be ticketed, or have to feed it all weekend. Well parking will be a problem but the metered spaces are only one block up from the ocean. You could have left your car anywhere else for free. Is there some kind of shuttle between the beachfront and downtown? Sometimes there is for special occassions. Something to work on for every weekend next year (hear that Tom G). But it is a short walk. From the front of the hotel, there is a long park and some vacant lots - it makes the rest of AP seem far away and disconnected. No visual cue about which street to walk up to find the main street of downtown, or how far away it might be. We are a work in progress. But we hear you. You mention no place to rent a bike. There is a new and great bike store on the boardwalk that rents bikes. You must have missed it (5th Av Pavillion). I'm sure you must have taxis, but I didn't see one, and the hotel is too disorganized to offer the level of service where they would recommend visiting downtown and get you a cab. The BCH ownership/mgt doesn't seem serious to me. I assume over the next few years we will have serious hoteliers but then again, we'd have to tweak the plan to allow it. We need some boutique hotels interspersed throughout the city. Try a BB (Mikell's Big House). Most of all Tracy, keep coming back and we welcome your perspective. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point about wanting a farmer's market closer to the rest of the folk that *live* in AP - those are the people that will sustain a market year-round. Hi Tracey.glad you thinking of returning to town. FYIthere is a very small farmer's market on the west side of main street around sunset ave. Also the walk from the Berkeley to Cookman is managablethe downtown business owners should drop a basic map in the 2 hotels and along the boadwalk in order to attract people to the business who are not from the area and do not realize we have a great downtown district. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point about wanting a farmer's market closer to the rest of the folk that *live* in AP - those are the people that will sustain a market year-round. Hi Tracey.glad you thinking of returning to town. FYIthere is a very small farmer's market on the west side of main street around sunset ave. Also the walk from the Berkeley to Cookman is managablethe downtown business owners should drop a basic map in the 2 hotels and along the boadwalk in order to attract people to the business who are not from the area and do not realize we have a great downtown district. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
..the boardwalk once had those little trams that run up and down the BW. Pick up at both borders and make a loop through town. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..the boardwalk once had those little trams that run up and down the BW. Pick up at both borders and make a loop through town. Wildwood still has them... They say, Watch the tram car, please! Always fun to hear and watch. They have their own lane. About the size of that useless extra lane on ocean ave. The tram wouldnt have to run ON the boardwalk, just near it... bump those angled parking lanes out 8 feet and move that lane all the way to the east of ocean ave, and there is your tram car lane. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
IF the city wants to bring it back... we need signage at the beach directing people to the downtown and signage on main street... downtown is an easy walk down kingsly to cookman... where you can get to mattison..and bangs..cookman and lake... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think you missed the most important part of the redevelopment of AP...and that is the downtown. We have a vibrant downtown...great shops...great restaurant...and a warm and friendly atmosphere. So please come back again and see downtown which will be the real reason AP gets back on the map. I do plan to come back. But here is where the parking problem smacks you in the face. Once we got one of the free hotel parking spaces, we didn't want to leave it. We didn't want to get stuck in a metered space and be ticketed, or have to feed it all weekend. Is there some kind of shuttle between the beachfront and downtown? From the front of the hotel, there is a long park and some vacant lots - it makes the rest of AP seem far away and disconnected. No visual cue about which street to walk up to find the main street of downtown, or how far away it might be. I'm sure you must have taxis, but I didn't see one, and the hotel is too disorganized to offer the level of service where they would recommend visiting downtown and get you a cab. We had followed Google map directions to get to the hotel, and they did took us down Asbury Ave, not Cookman. We didn't see Cookman until we were on the way out of town. I see your point about wanting a farmer's market closer to the rest of the folk that *live* in AP - those are the people that will sustain a market year-round. How about someone starting a market kiosk in the beachfront area? Put it in one of those shipping containers everyone seems to love or hate. Orient it toward providing fresh fruit and veg to non-cooking visitors for snacking and beach eating. Sell hummus and dip, cheese, crusty bread, etc. We need something to offset all those fried clam strips and ice cream drinks. :-) --Tracy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
Aha! That BW bike shop also rents? I must have asked the wrong person - I was told they *sold* bikes. Makes more sense. Added that to my notes for next time. I should have asked that nice man that checks beach tags. We didn't know the parking meters were only for a block - we could see them stretching along that park on Sunset. And we didn't know there was a downtown only a short walk away. Most of our problems would have been solved by a little information. A town map would be an excellent idea, especially if you can get the hotels to leave it in rooms and lobbies. A Visitor's Guide to Asbury Park. We will also plan to eat at The Adriatic - thanks for the info! --Tracy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm new to the list. My family just visited Asbury Park for the first time last weekend, and we liked it. I thought you might like to read my blog entry about the weekend. We showed up knowing nothing about the town except the association with Springsteen. (You'll have to forgive us, but he is not our favorite musician.) You may disagree with some of what I said, so I'd be interested in hearing discussion. --Tracy Well written and thoughtful blog entry. Your observations about the poor service, both at the cafe and the hotel, have been echoed elsewhere. Here's a thread about that from May: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/37692 $139 a night, even for a Double Queen, strikes me as exorbitant, but I haven't booked a hotel in a long time. If you found it to be a good value, that's cool. I see you were put off by some of the decor and lack of service - which is, again, discussed in the above thread. Wobbly pool railings is a safety issue and I'm surprised they haven't been cited for it. Maybe because it's not on a porch. (search the archives if you want the backstory). Love your phrase the dissonance of dysfunction visible beneath a veneer of newness. If you truly are a newbie, that speaks volumes. I see you're happy about the farmer's market in the carousel house. I'll chalk that up to your obvious bias toward produce. ;) The town could definitely use a farmer's market, but I'd argue closer to the west side of town so everyone can take advantage of it. I overheard people complaining to cops, who shrugged - city offices are not open on weekends. Bad move for a city trying to revive tourism. Again, volumes from a newbie. Your worries are all sound. I'd only disagree with your faith in condos. Keep posting! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
What about embedded Judith Miller, whose ONLY source, was what the Defense Department TOLD her and oh, I forgot, that bastion of truth, Scooter Libby! Don't get me started! Wasn't going to get involved in the JR vs. Mario, dustup, but you asked for it! The fake journalists, inserted with the REAL ones, in the White House briefings, the fake press conference with staff, posing as journalists; was that the State Department? The fake intelligence cooked to look as though it were the truth; see Colin Powell's address to the UN and on and on! You want FAKE, I'll show you fake! JR, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to negate someone, simply because you don't agree is one of the reasons we're in deep doo-doo, now! Who goes to jail now, for outing a CIA operative, whose career, was not only ruined by Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby and possibly the President? Bush said, he's FIRE anyone, for doing this, the son, of the former HEAD of the CIA, Bush, senior! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: So where are the supporting facts for our claim below? In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: so history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of that. ? Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
Sorry, Mario, hadn't read this, but you trumped me better, than I could have expressed myself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:14:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. You'd need more than one liners in order to disparage a company internationally recognized as a newspaper of record. But don't bother Jayson Blair was an unethical reporter and he was fired when his reports were found to be falsified. Judith Miller's reporting made national headlines when she foolishly fell for leaks from the White House. That WH then tried to lend credibility to its misinformation by quoting the NYT. The Times, true to its professionalism, established a public editor and ombudsman to deal with such issues, and to their credit issued an apology for not vetting WH info during the lead up to the Iraq war. No comparison with Novak, Coulter, Rove, Rush, Malkin, or any of Rupert's propaganda machines. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This isn't directed at you Oak, but to some people, several on this board, history is far more sexy if it involves scandal and greed and bad guys. Far too boring if it doesn't; so history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of that. or how 'bout that TriCity column? So where do we go for the undistorted truth? Rush, Coulter and Malkin -- as you've recommended more than once here? **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
