Re: [slim] Any word of SB4?
Peter;254411 Wrote: I'd have a whole modular SB setup. Ethernet, audio, IR, display and amplifier fitting together like Lego bricks ;) Or even a separate display that communicates with the rest of the device over IP/ethernet. Could come in handy for a lot of those whole house setups. Peter;254411 Wrote: Or even a separate display that communicates with the rest of the device over IP/ethernet. Separating the display from the playback unit feels pretty interesting, this would make it possible to put Now Playing displays all over the house even if you only have a single playback unit. I guess it's quite similar to the picture frame idea mentioned earlier in the thread. A modular setup with separate parts feels like a very good idea where these parts/modules could be easily package into different configurations: For example: 1. Configuration for the audiophile - Display module - Playback module (without DAC) 2. Configuration for the beginner - Display module - Playback module (without DAC) - DAC module - SlimServer HW module If these parts also could be nicely docked together with would be a real interesting and also flexible system with solutions for all price ranges and audio requirements. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41476 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here
Does the SqueezeBox Controller have a working headphone output ? What does Digital passthrough to S/PDIF for DTS mean on the SqueezeBox Controller ? It says it support this in the product specification on: http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
mvalera;254721 Wrote: All the listening would be through whatever you are controlling with the Controller. I put a qualifier in the audio formats at the top, does that make it more clear? It's a little bit clearer, but I really don't understand why the Audio Formats section should be available at all in the spec of the SqueezeBox Controller. A section that describes what functions you can control in SlimServer would make a lot more sense to me. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller looks better than the web pics; yes, it runs Linux
peterw;254738 Wrote: Also, the info page says nothing about Linux. Maybe that's not something the marketing folks want to push, but especially if you keep the SSH-based Remote Access available for the Controller, you're sure to get a few more Linux/OSS geek purchases. What Free Software geek wouldn't like a slick remote control that runs busybox? ;-) I agree, this is actually the big selling point for me, I wonder if that means I'm a geek ? Linux and Logitech Public Source licensed firmware/software should definitely be mentioned somewhere. Another thing that is worth mentioning is that you can actually install third party applications/applets on the controller. But, I'm sure the geek community are going to get this information independent if it is part of the product specification or not. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41814 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
So just to get this out of the way once for all. Let's say I'm going to get a new SqueezeBox device, screen or not doesn't matter, and it will be connected with analogue cables to the amplifier. If I'm looking for the best audio quality, but isn't ready to pay for a Transporter, should I get the SqueezeBox 3 or the new SqueezeBox Duet ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
Mitch G;254756 Wrote: So, is the Controller programmable (out of the box) ala Logitech Harmony products thus making it a universal remote? Or, would such a feature be one of those capabilities that would have to come from the community? Since it's based och the Jive Hardware Beta prototype, it can't be as easily programmable as a Harmony Universal remote unless they have changed this recently. IMHO it will never be a good universal remote, the main reasons being that it has too few hard buttons and not touch screen. I'm sure the community eventually will bring the necessary functionality for it to control the devices required for audio playback through the SqueezeBox, such as turning on/off the amplifier and selecting correct inputs. But I don't think you should buy this if you are looking for a universal remote which is able to control every device in your living room. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
mvalera;254731 Wrote: The Squeezebox Controller at $299.99 is a great value. It's a mini linux computer with an ARM processor, built in WiFi, a Wolfson DAC (same as the receiver), an IR emitter, a headphone jack, and a SD slot. Before the announcements I had actually imagined the price to be reversed so the Squeezebox Controller would go around $149 and the Squeezebox Receiver for $299. But now when I think about it, it's really the Controller that has the huge potential. The old SqueezeBox 3 got huge potential because it got a big display which resulted in all sorts of third party plugins that used the display for all kinds of information. The SqueezeBox Receiver doesn't have this potential due to the missing display. The SqueezeBox Controller does have this potential and on top of that it allows third party developers to develop stuff that will execute directly on the Controller itself. This opens it up for things like games and other kind of stuff which has never been possible on the SqueezeBox 3. However, the real potential of the SqueezeBox Controller IMHO is the SD slot and the headphone jack. The headphone jack is obviously going to be enabled, it's just a matter of time, when this happens you will have a portable SqueezeBox which can be used to listen to music from anywhere where you have WiFi access. It might sound a bit strange, but what I'm already waiting for is the second edition of the SqueezeBox Controller. I'm imagining this will have a touch screen and the same format as an iPod. For users that don't already own a SqueezeBox3, the SqueezeBox Duet looks like a good deal at $399. For people that already owns a SqueezeBox and just wants a graphical remote, I agree with some people in this thread that thinks it is a bit overpriced as a graphical remote. I think the problem is to get people to think of the Controller as more than a remote control. I think the main alternative for people that just likes a graphical remote is going to be the iPod Touch, which is priced exactly the same (8GB version) and also works as a portable device already now. The hardware of the iPod Touch is IMHO a lot nicer than the hardware of the Jive Hardware Beta prototype, although I obviously haven't had the chance to compare it with the real SqueezeBox Controller yet. The problem with the iPod Touch is that it currently doesn't allow third party development and it will never be open sourced in the same way as the SqueezeBox Controller. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] squeezebox personal
mudlark;254843 Wrote: would it be possible for a controller similar to the duet device to also have a wireless receiver and a player device so it could be used as a personal player within range of the wireless system of your home or place of work? The controller which is part of the SqueezeBox Duet has a headphone output so the hardware is already prepared for it, it's just not enabled in the software yet. I'm sure it will be enabled as soon as the software is ready to act as a playback device. It would have been stupid by Logitech to include a DAC in the controller if they didn't have this in mind. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41825 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
mortslim;255074 Wrote: I don't get that the controller has a headphone out jack that is not implemented yet. How hard is it to turn on a headphone jack? I'm pretty sure the work isn't to turn on the headphone jack, the work is probably to write the software needed in the controller to receive music from SqueezeCenter/SlimServer and send that music to the headphone jack. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
mortslim;255077 Wrote: I don't undertand what the sd card slot is for on the controller. I can see two usages: 1. Emergency upgrade/installation of new firmware if the firmware can't be downloaded from SqueezeCenter due to some technical problem. 2. Possibility to store music files locally to take these with you when you leave the house. mortslim;255077 Wrote: The controller seems too bulky (compared to the state of the art from ipod, sirius, sandisk, creative, etc.) to be a portable mp3 player. I agree, something in the form factor of an iPod would have been more appropriate for a portable device. The primary goal with this first version of the controller might not be to let it act as a portable device, but the current form factor allows you to take it with you out in the garden to continue listening to music when you go outside. This is the first version, but I'm personally already dreaming of a second edition in a year or two which have form factor more suitable for a portable player. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
bradjudy;255086 Wrote: I'm hoping there's a new SoftSqueeze coming to emulate the remote and try it out first. The Jive software can currently be compiled on Windows, Linux and Mac and will look the same as the remote but run in a window on your computer. I'm sure precompiled versions of Jive will be available for download pretty soon. You currently have to use the standard SoftSqueeze as a player if you like to test how it works without access to a real SqueezeBox. bradjudy;255086 Wrote: I've heard it lacks iPod style acceleration for getting through long lists of albums/artists. Is that correct? Will that feature be added to a future update? The rumour says acceleration should be available during the next weeks, so it will probably be working before you have the device in your hand. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
pippin;255191 Wrote: I'm really sorry to hear the receiver only works with the controller. I have no intention to buy a controller (too big, iPod touch works, more money) I think someone indicated in one of these threads that it would be possible to write a piece of software which did the initial setup which the controller is needed for. So if this is a requested feature, I would guess that someone is going to write that piece of software, either Logitech or some someone in the community. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
thomsens;255541 Wrote: No offense to SD, but the initial explanation of it cost us a lot to build, so it has to cost that much for you. Plus, we'll do the basic stuff to make the remote control work, but enabling the extra hw will be your responsibility to take care of comes off as a little arrogant. I understand and honestly believe that's not what the SD folks feel, but it can appear that way if you read through the early part of the thread - at least it did to me. If it appeared that SD had a roadmap for more functionality, I might have felt differently. I'm sure they have a roadmap, it's just not public. I'm sure they are going to continue developing the Controller software themselves, I suppose they just felt that the Controller offered enough functionality for an initial release. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
To those that likes the SqueezeBox Controller to be a universal remove I can honestly say that I had the exact same idea until I felt the Jive prototype. After having the chance to use the Jive prototype I've changed my feelings a bit. A Harmony remote based on Jive software would be really great, but my feeling is that it will never be as great as SqueezeBox Controller to control the SqueezeBox players. The reason is that the SqueezeBox Controller is optimized to control a SqueezeBox player and Harmony universal remote won't be. The Harmony remote on the other hand will be optimized for controlling several types of equipement which the SqueezeBox Controlder won't be. My feeling is that the optimal solution will be: 1. A Harmony remote which is used for power on your system and doing simple things like launching a random playlist. 2. A dedicated SqueezeBox Controller for browsing your library when you look for something to listen to. If you like one device to solve both these problems it will be a compromise that isn't really good at anything. Using two devices like this will not be a major problem for me, the reason is that in most cases would be able to do what I want from the Harmony remote. In some cases when I get inspired and like to find something different to listen to, I'll pickup the SqueezeBox Controller and browse my library. The SqueezeBox Controller would be a replacement for the laptop which I today use when I like to browse and search my library when I don't now exactly what I'm looking for. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
NFLnut;256239 Wrote: You have, IMO way overpriced the controller and using Sonos prices of their products is a serious mistake in determining the price of YOURS. You may have no problems selling that $300 remote to your Transporter customers, but I doubt that you will sell many to your Squeezebox customers. I think the major problem with the price of the Controller is that most people still seems think of the Controller as a remote control not a portable SqueezeBox. I wonder how the discussion would have been if Logitech had hold of the release until they had enabled the headphone output and instead released the controller under the name SqueezeBox Portable. I'm guessing some people would still had complained on the price, specifically those that thinks the old SqueezeBox3 is overpriced. But I suspect most people wouldn't really had any problem with $300 for a portable SqueezeBox. The thing is that SqueezeBox Controller can be turned into a SqueezeBox Portable with just a software upgrade. Even if Logitech still hasn't said this straight out, I'm personally pretty sure this is something that is going to happen. It doesn't make sense to me to include the DAC and the headphone output in the Controller if they didn't have this plan. If I've understand it correctly, the DAC on the Controller is the same as the DAC in the Receiver. So the playback sound quality from the Controller might be pretty close to the Receiver sound quality. I think Logitech has priced the Controller based on this plan and not based on the current functionality it offers, this makes it seem a bit expensive at the moment but in just a few months this feeling might change when a software upgrade is available. The physical format will of course still not be as nice as the physical format of most MP3 players. But for a portable player you use inside the house and outside in the garden and to bring to friends houses, I think the current physical format is acceptable. It is for sure a lot easier to bring the Controller to a friend compared to bringing the SqueezeBox3 to a friend. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
mikerob;256621 Wrote: - will it be possible to generate MusicIP playlists using the Squeezebox Controller? (you can do this by holding down the play button on the current IR remote) Launching MusicIP mixes from the SqueezeBox Controller doesn't work in the current software, but this is something that is planned and hopefully it will be implemented even before the Controller actually is available in the stores. If not, I assume it will be implemented soon after. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Uh Oh
Don't worry, have some faith in the Slim Devices crew. MS could buy Logitech, but I'm pretty sure the Slim Devices management is aware that the community would die under MS lead. If Logitech is bought we are probably going to see a management buyout by Slim Devices or some other arrangement so the community and our beloved SqueezeBox could continue to live. The Logitech purchase of Slim Devices was a completely different thing, it made sense from both companies point of view. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42018 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
rickwookie;256887 Wrote: If this is the case then why can't a laptop or other device do the same? It can, it's just a matter of writing the necessary software to transfer the settings. Logitech has already said that this is in the plan if we want it. If they decide to not write the software themselves, I'm sure they will make some documentation available regarding what needs to be done. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox options to stream
If thinking about writing your own server, this thread may be of interest, it contains two alternative simple servers: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38173 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41937 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
TiredLegs;257009 Wrote: In the Logitech booth at CES, the Duet setup I saw was connected to a home theater system, yet the Controller couldn't even switch the A/V receiver to the correct input. (The Controller cannot control devices other than Receiver/Squeezebox/Transporter, despite having an IR output.) This is true in the current state of the software, but the IR output is there on the Controller hardware, so it is just a matter of writing the software to actually send some signals through the IR output. I'm guessing that Logitech reasoned that the software could be provided after the hardware release. The Controller will IMO never be a good universal remote, but it will probably be able to do a simple control of the devices involved when using the Receiver for playback. For example turning on the A/V receiver and changing it to the correct input. TiredLegs;257009 Wrote: It seems odd that Logitech would release a product (the Receiver) which cannot be controlled by its Harmony remotes (because the Receiver has no IR sensor and no video output), and release a $299 remote (the Controller) that can only control one class of product. In a home theater system with a Receiver, the user would still need at least two remote controls. Logitech, of all companies, should be in the ideal position to unify those functions into a single remote. The missing IR sensor on the Receiver is a limiting factor. As you say, this makes it impossible to control the Receiver with a standard universal remote. The only remote that will be able to control the Receiver is the Controller or some other wifi enabled device. So controlling the Receiver from a Logitech Harmony based remote wouldn't be possible today. Of course you can always have a multi room setup where you have a SqueezeBox 3 in the living room. In that setup you would be able to control the SqueezeBox 3 with a Harmony remote and let the SqueezeBox 3 syncronize with the Reciever in the other room. My personal usage pattern will probably be: 1. Simple listening of random playlists or selecing a single album I know a like to listen to - Will be controlled from the Harmony Universal remote 2. Browsing for something to listen to when I don't know exactly what I'm in the mood for at the moment - Will be controlled from the SqueezeBox Controller. Unfortunately this makes it impossible to have a Receiver as the playback unit, so I'll probably continue to use the SqueezeBox3 for playback in the living room and put the Reciever in another room. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
noduplicates;257107 Wrote: The SqueezeBox Controller will miss its opportunity to be a runaway hit and quash the pricier competition (Sonos). If you must make and sell this product with this small screen, I would debut a prototype on your website of a more expensive larger LCD screen controller. Those that are price conscious and are comfortable with the smaller screen will rush in to buy that. Those that will only want to use the larger screen will say they finally got it right and its worth waiting and paying for. The SqueezeBox Controller hardware is obviously here to stay, since it should be possible to buy already in January I suspect most units has already been manufactured and is currently being prepared to be shipped to all the stores. I agree that a larger screen and to be specific a larger touch screen would have been very nice. However, announcing a prototype for a new more advanced remote at the same time as they release the current SqueezeBox Controller would be a bad business decision. They obviously like to try to sell the current hardware before they start announcing something new and better is coming. I think a second edition of the SqueezeBox controller will be released, but if anyone expects this to happen within the next year I think you might be a bit too optimistic. Personally I'm still dreaming of a SqueezeBox Portable that will be good enough to replace my iPod Touch as a portable device. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
tamanaco;257640 Wrote: Just had to ask... Is there... or will there... be a Controller software functional Simulator? It's available, but I think you currently have to compile it yourself. You will find the instructions in the README files which is delivered with the Jive source: Linux: http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/trunk/jive/src/pkg/README.linux Windows: http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/trunk/jive/src/pkg/README.windows.txt Mac: http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/trunk/jive/src/pkg/README.osx -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any tips on upgrading Slimserver to 6.5.5?
If you use the TrackStat plugin, make sure you have performed a backup of the TrackStat data before the upgrade. This is done in the TrackStat section of Server Settings/Plugins. Make sure the text file generated from the TrackStat backup actually contains some data and place this somewhere safe where it won't be deleted. I don't think an upgrade normally should destroy any TrackStat data, but in case it does, it is a good idea to have a backup. If you don't have TrackStat installed you can ignore this post. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rumor: Microsoft to buy Logitech?!
Marc Sherman;258467 Wrote: Actually, a surprising amount of the slimserver code is not, in fact, open source. A fork would have to replace all of the HTML and graphic content in the default skin Are you saying that SlimServer itself contains code/libraries that aren't freely distributable ? (I know about the firmware, but that is not a part of the SlimServer software) -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42018 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Release 7.0 advantages? and when?
juniper;258901 Wrote: a)Is anybody able to explain in a nutshell the selling points of 7.0 over 6.5.4 please? The official change log is here: http://svn.slimdevices.com/*checkout*/trunk/server/Changelog7.html?content-type=text/html One thing that currently isn't mentioned in the change log is that 7.0 is required if you like to use the newly announced SqueezeBox Duet/Receiver/Controller hardware. Different users will focus on different things in the changelog, so it is hard to tell exactly which ones that will make a difference to you. Some highlights: - Improved integration with SqueezeNetwork - Direct support for several music services such as MP3Tunes, Pandora and Rhapsody - New default skin for web interface (this makes a big difference if you use the web interface) - Support for new hardware SqueezeBox Duet/Receiver/Controller - Improved stability/robustness juniper;258901 Wrote: b) When is the formal release now likely to be available to ordinary non techie users like my goodself? It's required for the new hardware which I think should be available in the stores during January. So I would guess it will be officially released within the next 2 weeks. But this is just a guess, I have no other indication of the release date. juniper;258901 Wrote: c) If still some time off - is there any point in downloading 7.0 beta - following on from a) and b). It's currently pretty stable, so if you don't have any problem to upgrade again when the final version is released, I would recommend you to try it. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42272 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Duet and Remote - to buy or not to buy?
PLynas;259480 Wrote: So I guess my question is - just how user friendly is the new remote? Is it easy to find what you are looking for quickly if you have a large music collection and does it offer a big advantage over using the existing remote with the Squeezebox display? I am tempted to buy but it is a lot of money and do not want to make an poor decision. In my opinion the big advantage with SqueezeBox Controller compared to the old IR based SqueezeBox remote is when you are browsing your music library and doesn't know exactly what you want to listen to. In this scenario the advantage of seeing several lines are huge. First I thought of the Controller as a coverart browser, but when I've used it a bit I've realize that the main advantage is not the cover art, the main advantage is the fact that you see several lines. A month ago the Controller was bad when you were scrolling long lists, but during the last week acceleration has been added so this is no longer a problem. So now I can also find a specific album that I'm looking for faster with the Controller than the old IR-remote. The searching(not browsing) functionality on Controller doesn't beat the IR-remote with the LazySearch third party plugin yet, this is still something that needs to be improved. Hopefully they are working on this and I suspect the developer behind LazySearch might also be working on a solution, so I suspect the Controller will get a satisfying solution also for searching. Personally I still feel that for browsing the currently most promising solution is an iPod Touch/iPhone with the third party iPeng skin. The larger screen with touch functionality is IMHO a big advantage. The problem with the iPod Touch/iPhone solution is that it isn't as fast as the Controller when navigating, the performance on a iPod Touch is comparable to a standard PC with the SqueezeCenter web interface. However, I know some people doesn't feel the same way as me regarding the iPod Touch/iPhone solution, some like the fact that you can control the Controller with a single hand while the iPod Touch/iPhone needs two hands to be user friendly. So to sum it up: - The menu structure is basically the same on the Controller as with the IR remote - Browsing is a lot better on the Controller compared to the IR-remote - Searching is currently better on the IR-remote, assuming you have the LazySearch plugin installed. - The Controller is faster than the IR-remote when navigating in the menus -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet compared to Squeezebox
Skunk;261112 Wrote: The analog output sounded about the same as an SB3 in a quick A/B on my system, even though the SB3 had the advantage of a Cardas RCA that cost 10x as much as the one hooked to the Duet Receiver. They were close enough that I can be confident I'd fail a blind test. I can confirm this, I tested them both last week and couldn't hear any difference, so I think the analogue circuits in the Receiver are pretty close to the SB3. I'm also pretty sure I wouldn't be able to hear any difference in a real blind test. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42547 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Media monkey with slimserver?
This sounds like what you want: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21124 I haven't tried it myself, so I have no idea if it works. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33110 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Grandfather clock plugin, possible?
I'm not completely sure, but I think I've read that SlimServer can only play stuff that is in the database and in the current playlist. So I suppose this means that you will need to go through the standard play/add code. The announcement script should give you some idea, it interrupts the currently playing song, plays an announcement sound, continue playing the original track. http://www.gwendesign.com/slimserver/dev_software.htm#announcement -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43105 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Losing an Opportunity
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43198 Question: Do you agree with this posting? - Yes - No - In the middle I voted In the middle, the reason being that I don't think we need a NAS that comes with pre-installed SlimServer, but I do think a small computer with pre-installed SlimServer would be of some interest. The difference being that the focus should be on the computer part and not on the storage/NAS part. The only reason we even mention NAS is because it is actually a small computer, but the problem with most NAS boxes is that they are focused on storage while they also can act as a computer, but they really hasn't got enough power/performance to do so in a good way. SlimServer/SqueezeCenter really needs more performance to give a good consumer experience. I think a box that did something like the following would be of some interest: - Was able to run SlimServer/SqueezeCenter with satisfying speed, a guess is that we are talking about a box with at least 256-512MB memory and maybe 1GHz processor. This is something that almost none of the NAS boxes have. - Come with pre-installed/preconfigured SlimServer/SqueezeCenter - Had a CDROM player and necessary software to allow the consumer to insert a CD and automatically rip it, tag it and put it on the correct place in the music library. There already is a third party prototype plugin in the developers forum that tries to do this. Now, even though I think a device like this would be of interest, I really don't want Logitech to focus on making the hardware for such device. So I think the best solution would be to establish some partnership with a third party vendor which would provide the box and Logitech could still just focus on the SlimServer/SqueezeCenter software part. However, the main obstacle for this this device to be a success will be the price. My guess is that we are talking about a box in a price range a bit below the Mac Mini. The result would be that this will add maybe $500 to the total price of the SqueezeBox system, making it less price competitive compared to solutions from other vendors. I think one of the reasons the SqueezeBox system today feels like pretty cheap is because most people doesn't calculate the computer price into the price of the whole system. Today most people think of the price for a SqueezeBox system like: - SqueezeBox device ($299-$399) - Computer ($0, since they already have a computer) - Amplifier/Speakers ($0, since they already have a amplifier and speakers) Total cost: $299-$399 I think one thing that Logitech would like to avoid is to make people think of the price as: - SqueezeBox device ($299-$399) - SqueezeBox Server ($500) - Amplifier/Speakers ($0, since they already have a amplifier and speakers) Total cost: $799-899 So back to pippins question, which no one seems to be willing to answer: - What would you be prepared to pay for the device suggested in this thread -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Losing an Opportunity
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43198 Question: Do you agree with this posting? - Yes - No - In the middle As Michael said back in 'post #33' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=266916#post266916), a NAS IS a PC. A NAS can do everyting a PC can and a PC can do everything a NAS can, it just depends on which NAS or which PC you get. The main difference between a NAS and a PC is which functionality they focus on. - A NAS typically focus on being good at providing a lot of storage for all devices connected to the network. Many NAS boxes also makes sure that the stored data is safe for hardware failures through automatic backups or RAID support. - A PC typically focus on being good at providing computing power and memory. In my opinion SlimServer needs both storage(for the music files) and computing power/memory(for encoding and browsing speed). If you get an expensive NAS you can often get both storage and enough computing power/memory. However, my belief is that for most people with a medium sized music library, a PC will provide enough storage and computing power/memory to a lower price than a NAS. However, I have a feeling the above isn't the reasons why most people on these forums look for NAS boxes, I think most people that looks for NAS boxes on these forusm does it because they want a small, silent, low power device that is cheap. I'm not sure a NAS-like solution is the best solution for SlimServer if these are the things you look for. SlimServer really needs some computing power, or more specifically it needs more memory than what the cheap NAS devices provides. But there is really no rights or wrongs here, for some people a NAS device is the best solution for SlimServer. This is especially the case if you need a lot of storage for other things than the music files for SlimServer. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moderating the forums
Moderation is a good thing, at least as long as it doesn't result in closing every thread that criticize Logitech products. Sean has already stated that thread with criticism will not be closed if they follow the other rules. Moderation will make this forum feel like a better place to spend time on which also results in that more people get help and Logitech get more constructive feedback on their products (both positive and negative). If your thread gets closed, just go back and read the initial post in this thread, figure out why your thread was closed and start a new one where you try to express yourself in a more civil manner and provide a non-inflammatory subject on the new thread. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43454 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quirks after upgrade to SC7.0
amcluesent;270883 Wrote: new versions of TrackStat, CustomBrowse, DynamicPlaylist, etc.; so obtained the latest versions IIRC erland has stopped active development of these and the come with warning about being incomplete for SC7. (That said I've been using CustomBrowse with SC7/Vista OK) Just for information, the development hasn't totally stopped, but starting now I'll only provide corrections and enhancements which I really need/use myself. In case someone wants the whole story: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41583 If you find problems with the plugins, please continue to report these, either in the 3rd party plugin forum or directly on the Google Code site: http://erlandplugins.googlecode.com/ -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quirks after upgrade to SC7.0
Brian Ritchie;270815 Wrote: Now, I do get menu items for DynamicPlaylist and TrackStat - but there are no items for Artist, Album, New Music, etc! I only see Music Folder, Favourites, Random Mix and Playlists (and DynamicPlaylist and TrackStat). Try to disable Custom Browse and restart. Custom Browse has some options to remove the default menus you mention so you can replace them with the corresponding Custom Browse menus instead. Do you know if you had these options enabled in Custom Browse in the 6.5 installation before you upgraded ? Either way, you should be able to goto the Custom Browse settings and select the settings section called Enabled SlimServer menus and then make sure all the checkboxes is checked, save and restart SqueezeCenter. I suspect the real problem might be that the Custom Browse directory parameters is configured incorrectly, the result is that it doesn't find the corresponding Custom Browse menus. Brian Ritchie;270815 Wrote: When I select the Fishbone skin, it goes mad, repeating the header menu and flickering like mad until I choose one of the above options. How could the UI get in such a screwy state? In Default view, clicking on any of the top-level items does nothing - no feedback, no busy cursor, just nothing. Known problem, I have to fix this, thanks for reminding me. I've seen it in 6.5 in some situations but haven't really found out why it occurs, but it seems to happen more often in 7.0. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Quirks after upgrade to SC7.0
Brian Ritchie;271117 Wrote: Fishbone is functionally excellent but (imho) just doesn't look as nice. (Then again, I'll still need it to use TrackStat sensibly, I think.) The reason I removed it from the default skin is because it just contained too many layout bugs and I felt it was to much work to fix it. The problem is not with the SqueezeCenter code, the problem is that the current TrackStat code has presumed that some stuff works in the same way as it does in classic/fishbone skin, the default skin works a bit different which results in that the TrackStat user interface for the default skin just contains too many layout bugs to be usable. I've choosed to disable the browsing abilities in the default skin due to this to avoid a lot of bug reports on TrackStat related to the default skin. The TrackStat web user interface really needs a major re-design because it is pretty user unfriendly in some situations, it's just that that is even more work. My current focus is on iPeng skin support so nothing will probably happen in the TrackStat default skin in the near future, but if anyone likes to provide a working patch for the default skin I'll be happy to include it in a future release. See this thread for more information: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41583 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wife's music accessible easily and quickly??
MuckleEck;273327 Wrote: I have setup a custom DB tag in each FLAC file using MP3Tag but am struggling to get Erland's plug in to work!...I think it is just patience and time to read the FAQ If you are talking about the Multi Library plugin I don't think there is a template for defining a library through a tag scanned with the Custom Scan plugin. It is still possible to do but you will have to customize the library definition and edit the the SQL statement. If you like to define the library by a tag the easiest way is to put the information in the COMMENT tag because this won't require Custom Scan and the default library template in Multi Library allows you to limit a library to a specific value in the COMMENT tag. If you are talking about the Custom Browse plugin there are some menu templates that can be limited to a specific custom tag, but I think the best way to accomplish what you like is by defining the library with the Multi Library plugin and use Custom Browse menus limited to the defined library. Craig;273347 Wrote: My daughter's SB only has a subset of my library on it which is defined by putting her name in a comments tag, I use Erlands plugins to achieve this. I'm not sure whether you can add a new menu to the SBC that just lists the subset though. With the latest beta version of Multi Library/Custom Browse you should be able to use the Custom Browse menus also on the SBC. They will be put inside the main Music Library menu, I don't think there is a way for a plugin to put menus directly on the home menu of the SBC but I haven't investigated it in detail. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43917 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
pricebrad;274189 Wrote: Reading through this REALLY LONG THREAD, however, something came to mind. Are you guys signed up as Apple developers and are you looking at the iPhone SDK? Seems to me that you should see what kind of controller interface you could write for the iPhone. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=253508#post253508 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does Logitech know this?
Pretty clever to use the alt tag for the message also since this is only displayed to those that really need to see the message, those that still is using a web browser that doesn't follow the HTML specification (such as IE). Firefox correctly doesn't show the alt tag when you hower above the image, so the message is only showed to those that need to see it (like users still using IE as as web browser). http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200604/alt_text_is_an_alternative_not_a_tooltip/ -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44242 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ripserver
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43979 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44277 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Duet and Remote - to buy or not to buy?
MagnusVonMagnum;277250 Wrote: My all important question is whether or not the iPod Touch with iPeng will work with the new Duet receiver or not without a Duet Controller. iPeng works with the Duet, Transporter and SqueezeBox. The current version doesn't contain all the functionality available through the standard IR remote controls and SqueezeBox Controller, but it is getting better for every day. It contains the most important functionality already today. Officially you currently need a SqueezeBox Controller to initially configure the SqueezeBox Receiver, but the Controller is not needed for controlling the Receiver after it has been configured. Unofficially, there is a alpha version of a plugin which makes it possible to configure the SqueezeBox Receiver from a computer over wired network, see this thread for more information: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43722 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Two Web Interfaces, One Server?
Add the skin to the last part of the url you enter as address in the web browser, for example: http://localhost:9000/Nokia770 http://localhost:9000/Handheld http://localhost:9000/Fishbone -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44470 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC 7.0 Issues Questions
prabbit;277635 Wrote: 1. iTunes integration (iTunes SC7). My iTunes library is scanned and the songs, albums, artists, and playlists come into SC7, but my ratings and play counts do not. What needs to be configured? This is what I currently have: On the iTunes tab, I have iTunes selected. I have the reload interval defined at the default 3600 seconds. I have the iTunes Library location correctly defined. Did you use TrackStat for this earlier ? In that case you will need to install the Custom Scan plugin and configure the iTunes Statistics Import scanning module to get the rating import to work. prabbit;277635 Wrote: 2. iTunes integration (SC7 iTunes). When I play a song in SC7, the song does not appear as played in iTunes (even after rescanning, although it does appear on my last.fm page). I used to have a TrackStatiTunesHistWin.pl file that I would run to update my iTunes library, but this file doesn't appear to be a part of TrackStat for SC7, nor is there a TrackStat_iTunes_Hist.txt file. What settings need to be configured for play counts, ratings, and such to migrate from SC7 back to iTunes? The TrackStatiTunesHistWin.pl is part of the zip attached to this post, it will be part of a future TrackStat release, the plugin packaging currently ignore .pl files so that's the reason why it was missed. You will need to install the Custom Scan plugin and then configure the iTunes Statistics Export scanning module. The settings regarding the TrackStat_iTunes_Hist.txt file has been moved there. +---+ |Filename: TrackStatiTunesUpdateWin.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4553| +---+ -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why is SlimServer so slow?
DanielTheGreat;277787 Wrote: I had a look for Erland's SqlPlayList plugin, but his download page doesn't include that plug-in. I'll have a further look when I get more time. Sure it does, just select it on the left side of the download page. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44457 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC 7.0 Issues Questions
Club1820;278074 Wrote: Erland, I've had issues with your Custom Scan Plug-in and Sqzctr 7. I initiated an Amazon.com scan and after awhile Sqzctr bombed. I was unable to restart Sqzctr as it took up 50% of my CPU resources and 1 gb of memory. I can't reproduce this, could you provide some more details, like: - Could you turn on debug logging in SqueezeCenter Settings/Logging on the plugin.customscan section and run a Amazon scan and see if you see something strange ? - I suppose you are sure it was the SqueezeCenter process that used all the memory so it wasn't something else, for example Firefox or IE ? - How does the Amazon scanning module settings look like, have you just entered your Amazon Access Key or have you configured something else ? - Are you using the standard iTunes or MusicIP integration available in SqueezeCenter ? - Did you play music during the Amazon scanning ? SqueezeCenter will be pretty unusable during the Amazon scanning but it shouldn't use a lot of CPU and memory, it should just result in bad response times in the user interface and maybe audio problem if playing music at the same time. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does Logitech Streaming Systems know the meaning of Customer Service?
ptrainer;278211 Wrote: I think it's easier and quicker if you call and speak to someone as opposed to e-mailing. That's just my two cents. This might be the case, however, I'd have to agree with haunyack that it's unacceptable to publish an order status mail address and don't respond within 8 days. Support issues can take longer time, but a simple order status request shouldn't have to take over a week. haunyack, your mail to the orders mail address probably got lost somewhere, but I'm sure someone at Logitech is going to spot this thread as soon as they wake up in US. If they don't, try the orders mail address a second time or use the phone. The forum is really not the correct place to get the status of a specific order. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44576 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Install SC7 but maintain SlimServer settings?
smarjan;277360 Wrote: I use Custom Browse to get the desired view. Will it preserve the Custom Browse plugin and its query? There are a number of directories configured in Server Settings/Plugins/Custom Browse, make sure to take a copy of these so they aren't removed by accident during the upgrade. Custom Browse should upgrade its settings when you install the new version for SC7, but in case it doesn't the important part should be the XML files in the above mentioned directories. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44410 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help help
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44630 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44674 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Browsing artists on the controller
cliveb;279076 Wrote: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the Rio Karma portable player got this right years ago. Its top menu was an A-Z arrangement, so you could start by selecting the initial letter of the required artist. In addition, the first item in the top level menu is all artists: selecting that gives you a complete scrollable list. In concept the Controller could easily operate in an inverse of this approach: the top level menu is the entire scrollable list (ie. as it is now), with an additional first menu item being A-Z. Selecting the A-Z option would then display a scrollable alphabet of initial letters. If you really want to get an intermediate A-Z level, you can always use the Custom Browse plugin to accomplish this: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39835 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44671 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezecenter won't start on Vista 64
Club1820;277999 Wrote: I reinstalled Custom Scan plug-in and it still worked fine. I then tried to install the Lazy Search plug-in and it bombed again. So, I guess I wont be installing Custom Scan again. Just wondering if this is a known issue with this plug-in and sqzctr 7.0? Are you saying that you only had the problem when you had both the Custom Scan and the Lazy Search plugin installed while it worked correctly if you only had Custom Scan or you only had Lazy Search installed ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44461 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Browsing artists on the controller
cliveb;279275 Wrote: In other words, is it possible to configure Custom Browse so that the only effect it has is to add Artists by letter to the standard menu? The notes on your web page (in the Menu Structure section) seem to suggest that it's possible, but I can't figure it out. Can you help, Erland? There is a Menu position setting in the Custom Browse settings page, set that to No and the Custom Browse menu will be moved to the Extras menu instead. In the Custom Browse settings page, select the Settings Section=Enabled Menus, then make sure both checkboxes are selected for your Artists by letter menu. This should place the Artists by letter menu directly inside the Music Library menu. To make the changes take effect, you might need to restart both SqueezeCenter and the SqueezeBox Controller. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44671 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller software updates
Echo;279478 Wrote: I think your update notice may have been triggered because you installed erland's plug-in. The plugin has nothing to do with Controller software updates, but you probably restarted SqueezeCenter when you installed the plugin and that might have triggered download of new Controller firmware. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44718 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller software updates
This is probably the reason: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44704 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44718 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wish it could filter just star-rated iTunes songs.
rsilvers;279826 Wrote: Also, what about this: http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Custom_Skip_plugin It seems like you can program it to skip low ratings. It would work, but for what you want to do it sounds like you would be better of with one of the other plugins mentioned. Custom Skip is useful if you really NEVER wants to play anything with low ratings. However, if you only have this need in random or smart playlists, you would be better of with iTunesPartyShuffle or SQL Playlist plugins. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44763 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Consistent Crash with MIP 1.6b3 and 6.2.2 nightly
Could you try with the TrackStat version attached with this post, it contains some more log messages which should make it possible to see if there are TrackStat code executed at the moment or not. Also, in the log it looks like a track is removed in the following line: 2006-04-04 06:12:45.1008 _hasChanged: removing [D:\Music\FLAC\Múm\Summer Make Good\08-Away.flac] from the db as it no longer exists. Do you know if you were playing this track or just about to start playing it when the crash occurred ? If you are not sure, maybe you can look for this line the next time it crashes and see if it is the current playing track ? I am not sure, but I suspect that the problem is related to the removed track in some way. +---+ |Filename: TrackStat-1.13-withmorelogging.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1167| +---+ -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22677 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Consistent Crash with MIP 1.6b3 and 6.2.2 nightly
Is this problem new in MIP 1.6b3 or does it also exist in MIP 1.6b2 ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22677 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: A Silly Poll
33 years old -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22941 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Flac To MP3 - C#/.NET Version
I'm not sure, but the already existing perl based flac2mp3 utility might work on Windows, I have personally only used it on linux. Anyway thanks for posting the code for your conversion utility. flac2mp3: http://robinbowes.com/projects/flac2mp3 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23523 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Filter Genre
No I don't think thats possible today, at least not with a single slimserver. There has been some discussions regarding this and I think I have seen some suggestion that it would be possible by running two slimservers (one for each SqueezeBox). Anyway, here is a thread about similar ideas that also links to a number of other threads and features requests related to similar problems: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21108 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21354 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Poll: What is your library size and hardware
I need some information about how large libraries I should use when testing performance on my plugins. So could you all post some information about the number of albums/tracks in your library and which hardware/software you are running slimserver on. Please post your configuration independent if you are using my plugins or not. I'll start with my own configuration: Library size: 217 albums with 2779 songs by 96 artists Hardware: Athlon XP 2500+, 1GB memory Software: Slimserver: 6.2.2 Database: MySQL 4.0.23 OS: Ubuntu 5.04 (Linux) -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/pptqy) and 'DynamicPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/kfrgs) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23701 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Random mix according to song length
You can do it with the SQLPlayList plugin.
The following SQL query would result in a random playlist with all
songs in Pop or Rock genre that is less than 6 minutes long.
Code:
select url from tracks,genre_track,genres
where tracks.id=genre_track.track and
genre_track.genre=genres.id and
tracks.audio=1 and
genres.name in ('Pop','Rock') and
tracks.secs360
order by random() limit 10;
The following SQL query would result in a random playlist with all
songs in your whole collection that is less than 10 minutes long.
Code:
select url from tracks
where tracks.audio=1 and
tracks.secs600
order by random() limit 10;
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[slim] Re: server database is case sensitive and that's bad. read why.
I feel I'm getting a bit off topic of the original meaning of the thread, but here it comes. NWP Wrote: If the databases are linked, either realtime or with periodic import/exports, how are they linked? They only way I can think of that would be possible would be linking on the field that contains the filepath. I don't know anything about the internal workings of the slimserver db, but I assume there is a field that contains the path to the file. The TrackStat plugin which stores its own persistent information inside the slimserver database uses the following information as links between the TrackStat tables and the slimserver tables: 1. Primary link is musicbrainz id's (slimserver will read the musicbrainz tags from the files and store them in its database) 2. If musicbrainz id's does not exist the filepath is used as link instead. This results that if you have musicbrainz id's in the tags of your files the links will survive a slimserver rescan. If you don't the links will survive a rescan as long as you don't move the file. There are also a third option for linking which might be possible to use, but I think it isn't supported by slimserver yet. This third option is the new PUID defined by musicdns.org. Regarding storage of information in tags, my opinion is that tags is useful for information that doesn't change often and isn't different for different users. I don't want software to change my music files continuously , the reason is that there is to easy that there is a bug in the software that completely destroys the music file. This means that tags should be used for stuff like: - unique ids (PUID's, musicbrainz id's) - artists, albums, track names - track lengths, track numbers Tags should on the other hand not be used for stuff like: - last played time - play counts - ratings (which will be different for different users) However, its still important that all this information is persistently stored somewhere since it can't be easily regenerated. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/pptqy) and 'DynamicPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/kfrgs) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Unable to start latest SlimServer 6.5 nightly
The latest 6.5 is a bit unstable at the moment due to large changes recently, the last nightly which were quite stable is the one from 23/5. See this thread for more information: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24151 You can get the previous nightly releases from here: http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/ -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/pptqy) and 'DynamicPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/kfrgs) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24289 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Unable to start latest SlimServer 6.5 nightly
ModelCitizen Wrote: Can anyone tell me if the 6.5 versions previous to the non-starting versions (i.e. prior to 4th May) included scanning as a seperate process or was it the merging of this functionality into the branch that caused the current problems? Cheers MC Its the merging of the splitt scanner that caused this, the developers will hopefully get it to work pretty soon. Nigthly from 23/5 is the last one that works but it does not perform scanning in a separate process. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/pptqy) and 'DynamicPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/kfrgs) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24289 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Browse New Music, Sort by Artist.
o11y Wrote: Is there a way to browse the New Music folder by Artist Name, instead of Album Name? I can never remember which artist wrote which album!! The TrackStat plugin have a statistic list that shows Last added artists which I think should be what you want. It requires slimserver 6.2 or later. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/pptqy) , 'DynamicPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/kfrgs) and 'RandomPlayList' (http://tinyurl.com/pwtsc) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24886 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: connecting to slimserver by name instead [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you haven't voted on this already, do it to request a SSH support in SqueezeBox: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2661 If adding the possibility to enter a hostname in the SB settings I think it would also make sense to make it possible to enter a port number. This way it would be possible to run several slimservers on the same machine and switch between them easier. For example using a slimserver instance for each family member. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-sqlplaylist) , 'DynamicPlayList' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-dynamicplaylist) and 'RandomPlayList' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-randomplaylist) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25210 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Feature request and discussion: Flash/Ajax/... for UI
When discussing flash interface, please bear in mind that all plugin developers might not be interested in investing $399 in a flash license. I think it is a good idea to keep making language choices for slimserver in such way that its possible to contribute without purchasing expensive development tools. I think we have two main use cases where the web interface needs to work: 1. Control of slimserver using a handheld device - Has to work on small screens - Has to work on as many different handheld devices as possible 2. Control of slimserver from your desktop PC - Has to work on all main operating system (Windows, Linux, MaxOS) - Preferable if it takes advantage of the screen space - Preferable if it integrates with the OS with tray icons, dragdrop, notifications when a new track starts playing and much more. In the second case I think a fat client would really be the best choice for the user, look at Moose for an example. The problem with this is that fat client is really not that easy to combine with operating system independence. So due to this I think a web interface probably is the right way to go also for the second case. Fat clients can still be developed by external developers, but I think it might be a bad idea to include these in the standard slimserver. A third case that probably will be requested more in the future is integration with HTPC software like MCE, MediaPortal, Myth. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-trackstat) , 'SQLPlayList' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-sqlplaylist) , 'DynamicPlayList' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-dynamicplaylist) and 'RandomPlayList' (http://erland.homeip.net/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-randomplaylist) plugins) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25395 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suggested behaviour on new install
mherger;347100 Wrote: If this is the case, then we probably should re-think the default settings instead. What prefs do you need to change? Personally, I always need to change: Separator for Multiple Items in Tags and set it to ; -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53406 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I'm tempted to try MusicIP again, but...
Philip Meyer;348146 Wrote: I find that the MIP libarary is automatically fed ratings set from SC (via TrackStat). I must admit that I don't know how this happens (is this via MusicIP plugin or TrackStat or CustomScan?). The first time I used CustomScan to export ratings to MusicIP. This took a little while to copy stats across, but since then whenever I set a rating in SC (or play a track), the stats are synced across automatically to MIP too. Unless something has happened very recently with the MusicIP plugin, I think the ratings transfer works through Custom Scan and the MusicIP Statistics Export scanning module provided by TrackStat. The key is that you have checked the Dynamically update statistics parameter in this scanning module. MeSue;348168 Wrote: Sounds like Custom Scan may be the piece of the puzzle I was missing before. Any reason to wait for validation to finish before doing an initial Custom Scan Export? TrackStat doesn't check the mixable status so it will work from the TrackStat side. However, I think there were someone that tried to export while validating which resulted in that MusicIP lost information about already validated tracks and the whole validation had to be executed again. So I would personally wait until the validation had finished, and I would then also completely restart MusicIP to make sure the validation result have been written to the cache before I try to export ratings. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suggested behaviour on new install
Let's face it, if this product is going to continue living under the Logitech brand it really needs to be adapted for mass market consumption. This means that some options and customization possibilities have to go, I completely agree that the most important part is to avoid them in the setup wizard. This way you can still have more advanced options hidden away in configuration pages which advanced users can find and you can still satisfy mass market users which don't want to be bothered with extra options. This is how iTunes works, this is how Windows Media Player works. It's easy to say that one extra option isn't going to cause any trouble, but you have to realize that you are not going to want the exact same extra option as all other advanced users. So if we go down this route we will end up with a lot of extra options to satisfy everyone. The main difference between SqueezeCenter and other music library software is that SqueezeCenter still allows a lot of customization after the installation. Microsoft and Apple has also tried to avoid this by limiting the options available after the installation because they know that they are a support headache. I'm suspecting Logitech will eventually realize they need go down the same road, however they can't do it as long as a big part of their customer base are geeks and advanced users so it won't happen over the night. Personally I feel that if we really want extra options, two options in the first page of the wizard like this might work: 1. Help me configure my system (strongly recommended) 2. I don't want any help, let me configure everything manually. The first option would be default and would initiate the wizard, the second option would just quit the wizard and let you do everything yourself in the normal settings pages. A solution like this will make the wizard fairly simple both from a user and developer point of view and still allow special advanced users to do their manual choices. The naming of the second option needs to be really scary so newbies doesn't choose it by accident. Another solution might be to just have a skip wizard link somewhere on the first wizard page that does the same thing. By the way, I think I would choose the first option myself, because the wizard really makes it easier to setup an initial installation even though it doesn't make everything the way I want it. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53406 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suggested behaviour on new install
Philip Meyer;349152 Wrote: But I think upon trying to browse the music library to play something, detect that there's no music in the library, and inform the user that they need to perform a scan (any user interface - web UI, player UI, SBC). Unless it already works this way, this sounds like a good idea. I think I've seen a message like this somewhere, but I'm not sure it was in SqueezeCenter. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53406 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving my Music Library
Chewie;349861 Wrote: erland, excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by manually editing the TrackStat Backup file? Is it just a case of editing a couple of lines or a line for every rated track? If only the beginning of the path has changed, it is probably possible to use the replace all functionality in the text editor of your choice. If this is the case, the next TrackStat version will be able to restore the ratings correctly as long as the filenames and the last two directories in the path is the same. Chewie;349861 Wrote: If all else fails erland, is there a way to print out my existing ratings to aid me in re-rating the moved library. What information would you need in the report ? It should be possible to do with the Database Query plugin, you just have to figure out the correct SQL statement. The actual path is a bit problematic because it is encoded in the database, so unfortunately I think you will only get the encoded version in the report (same as the one shown in the backup xml file). If you like to do a report, you should do this before you switch to the new disc. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53381 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller or not
Skunk;349913 Wrote: Beyond the fact that they let you look at it, the license seems pretty strict to me: http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/7.3/trunk/squeezeplay/src/squeezeplay/LICENSE Basically you can do any modifications you like for your personal use but you can't redistribute them beside sending them privately to Logitech for inclusion in a future release. The main limitation with this in my opinion is: - You can't port SqueezePlay to third party hardware and redistribute it without permissions from Logitech. This kind of make sense since Logitech really only earn money on the hardware, so it isn't strange that they like to avoid competitors making money on their free software. The other limitations are more theoretical, sure it doesn't allow you to make and redistribute your own version of SqueezePlay but the number of persons willing to do that and spend time maintaining their own version are probably pretty close to zero anyway. When you think about it, the licensing is pretty logical. Most parts of SqueezeCenter is GPL but it can't be used with third party hardware players anyway so there is no reason to restricting the license. SqueezePlay would be possible to use with third party hardware similar to Controller, so restricting the license makes sense from a business point of view. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller or not
Skunk;350232 Wrote: Perhaps the two are mutually exclusive, but it would be nice if the skin could be modified through one file, like CSS, which could be distributed by the author (even if only not-for-profit). I'm not familiar with SqueezePlay skins so I can't comment on this. Skunk;350232 Wrote: Or if a plugin could somehow be written and posted by the author, rather than being submitted and ending up in a Logitech desk drawer. This is not a problem, you are allowed to redistribute both third party SqueezeCenter plugins and third party SqueezePlay applets. I'm not sure exactly how this is described in the license, but I know that Logitech earlier has stated that you are free to redistribute third party Squeezeplay applets without asking Logitech. Unless I've understood it wrong, third party SqueezePlay applets are installed in SqueezeCenter in the same way as a SqueezeCenter plugin and downloaded by SqueezePlay when needed. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller or not
peterw;351642 Wrote: It'll be interesting to see if projects like Moose and iPeng will make common devices like the iPod Touch and iPhone/Windows Mobile/Android handsets viable challengers to the Controller. I think there's a real risk that the SqueezePlay license will stifle Controller improvements and make those other devices more attractive to carry, costing them some sales. I personally carry a wifi-equipped PDA around most of the time, but still reach for the Controller because it's so much easier to use. If there were a really nice interface for my PDA, I might never use my Controller. I partly agree, I think the iPeng/iSqueeze native applications definitely will be a challenger to the Controller. The Apple license is at least as restricted as the Logitech version, so the reason is IMHO not the licensing but the hardware it self. The iPod/iPhone hardware is better than the Controller hardware in so many ways and the iPod Touch is actually cheaper for the end user than the Controller. The Apple licensing is IMHO even worse than the Logitech license, it requires you to purchase a Apple computer with Leopard OS to even be able to compile the code and it requires you to pay additionally $99 to be able to even install the compiled code on your own iPod/iPhone hardware. The iPeng skin version which is easier to modify for a third party developer is a bit too slow to challenge the Controller. The latest version is a lot closer than the 0.4.x versions but the Controller still feels a bit faster. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just curious: when/why did you get your first Slim/Logitech player?
During 2005 I got my first iPod (iPod mini) I connected it to the music equipment in the living room and after a while I realized I missed two things: - Remote control - A screen that was visible a few meters away In december 2005 I found and purchase a Squeezebox 3 and during Christmas 2005 I started to learn perl, in middle of January 2006 the first version of the TrackStat plugin was released and after that I've had a lot less spare time than before. Unfortunately I hadn't realized what lossless format was before I got the Squeezebox, so I had already ripped all my records to MP3 for the iPod which I now had to rip again to FLAC format. The Squeezebox is definitely the hardware equipment that has made most changes in my life during the last 10 years, it changed how I listen to music and it changed what I do with my spare time. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53831 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Development community less active?
I can only talk for myself, but for me the reasons are the following: - Lua: A new language to learn that you won't have use for anywhere else. - Controller (not player): Any Controller applet could only be accessed through the Controller while a SqueezeCenter plugin could be accessed through all types of remote controls(IR, Controller and iPod/iPhone). So if I can do something as a SqueezeCenter plugin it's preferable to me, especially since I mostly control the Squeezebox with the Harmony IR remote or the iPod/iPhone. - Lack of communication: A general point which I think is similar to what kdf suggests, is that the communication between Logitech and the development community is a lot less today than it was before. Previously you could start a discussion in the development section on the forum and almost always get feedback from the lead developers, today it's possible to post simple questions but it is almost impossible to discuss something regarding the future. Often most of the replies are from end users or from developers that have developed in other projects but not for SqueezeCenter. It should be said that the situation is a bit better regarding questions/discussions on some parts of the code (user interface related stuff). Personally I'm really missing the vision regarding the future, but I suppose it's a good idea for Logitech to keep that for themselves from a business point of view since it might include future products which they don't want anyone to know about yet. The result of all this is that as a third party developer you kind of loose interest when no one seems to be interested in your thoughts, why contribute if there is no interest ? My personal feeling is that communication is the key element to keep the me personally interested in the future, I'm not sure if other third party developers feels the same. I'm not sure if the reason for all this is the Logitech purchase or if it's caused by the fact that some(one?) of the lead developers decided to continue on another road instead of continue as a Logitech employee. If it's caused by the latter things might improve in the future when new employees fully take over the role of the lost employee(s). I'm pretty sure the reasons for less activity isn't caused by the Controller source code licensing as someone suggested in another thread/post, but others might feel different than me regarding this. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement Squeezecenter 7.2.1
Do I need to do anything special to get the 7.2.1 release for Ubuntu/Debian with apt-get ? I've tried: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade However it doesn't find any new squeezecenter release, it thinks my current 7.2 release is still the latest one. apt is configured to retreive: deb http://debian.slimdevices.com stable main -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving my Music Library
Yannzola;354093 Wrote: Erland... are the Musicbrainz tags the same as the MusicIP fingerprint tags written during track analysis (if you set it up that way)? If not, can you use these as you currently use the Musicbrainz tags? Just curious... Thanks! No they are not the same and I can't use MusicIP fingerprints because SqueezeCenter doesn't support them. To make it work it needs to be something that standard SqueezeCenter scanner already scans and puts in the database and this is not the case with MusicIP fingerprints. In theory MusicIP fingerprints would probably work pretty good but not completely correct. You will get in trouble if a song is available on two albums, for example on the original album and also on a compilation album. In that case the MusicIP fingerprint will be the same but they will have different musicbrainz tags. If you just think about ratings, I suppose MusicIP fingerprints is really correct, since it's the same song, but for other purposes it will give the wrong result. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53381 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SoftSqueeze hangs with Random Mix favorites ?
Does anyone else have problem using SoftSqueeze together with favorites connected to the playlists in the Random Mix plugin ? In my setup starting a Random Mix playlist sometimes results in that SoftSqueeze just hangs and you will have to restart SoftSqueeze to resume playback. With a real hardware player everything works perfectly. I have exactly the same problem with Dynamic Playlist playlists but there it happens almost every time. The problem is the same independent if I launch the playlist from the SoftSqueeze UI and if I launch it from the SqueezeCenter web interface. If I launch the same playlist from the Random Mix menu everything works perfectly. I'm using Ubuntu linux and have the problem in both latest 7.2.1 release. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Annouce: New Squeezeslave 0.8 release availabe on sourceforge
Does the -r or --retry parameters work on the Linux version ? I can run them with any time but it never succeeds to re-connect to SqueezeCenter after a SqueezeCenter restart. If I run them with a retry seconds parameter it just says: Code: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/squeezeslave08$ ./squeezeslave -r 2 Output devices: 0: /dev/dsp Error connecting to 0.0.0.2:3483 Sleeping for 5 s. I'm using the squeezeslave-0.8-12-lnx26-intel.tar.gz version on Ubuntu 8.04 I've also tried squeezeslave 0.7.5.1 with the same behaviour. I've also tried compiling the 0.8-12 version myself with the same behaviour. Is this supposed to work or am I doing something wrong ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54124 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Annouce: New Squeezeslave 0.8 release availabe on sourceforge
maggior;354795 Wrote: I am using squeezeslave on Linux with the options -s -r3. -s tells it to run in the background and not expect input from the keyboard. Thanks, -r3 and -s seems to have solved my issues. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54124 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can this still be done?
Club1820;354837 Wrote: I have custom browse installed. I added a song that I know I have different versions of by different artists. But I did not see this option to be able to see the different artists listed. I thought it would be under more info but it is not. Is there some type of setting in the Custom Browse settings that I need to enable to be able to see this info. ? It's only available in the player interface, not in web interface. You will get to it by navigate right on a track into the track details and then navigate right after you have selected the track title. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can this still be done?
Club1820;355292 Wrote: Thanks Erland. I did try this on the SB3 but I don't have Track Title as an option to select when I navigate right. Here is what I get when I navigate right on a song that is currently playing: You are seeing the standard track details menu, not the Custom Browse version. The Override standard track details option in the custom browse settings should make sure the Custom Browse track details is shown instead. Is the Custom Browse plugin successfully loaded ? Do you see a Custom Browse menu under Extras or Music Library ? Are you using the IR remote, the controller or the web interface ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can this still be done?
Club1820;355395 Wrote: Customer Browse v2.3 shows up under Extras on the SB3. In the web interface it shows up under Music Library. Not sure why its different. ? I am using the IR Remote. And yes, the Override standard track details is enabled in the Plug-in Setting for Custom Browse. Is there any errors in the SqueezeCenter log file found under SqueezeCenter Settings/Logging in the web inteface ? Which SqueezeCenter version are you using ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54300 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I combine a Duet with SB3 ?
bluegroper;355506 Wrote: For security reasons, we prefer to go without home wifi. Is a SBR configured for ad-hoc network for the SBC connection really more security than a real Wifi AP with built-in firewall, encryption, logging and mac address filtering ? I'm not sure I've understood all details, but I thought a SBx in ad-hoc mode was less secure than a standard Wifi access point ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54473 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Global search ?
MeSue;355710 Wrote: You might want to look into Erland's Custom Scan plugin. It will import ratings or any other custom tags you set it up for.' Unfortunately that won't help, SqueezeCenter doesn't search the tags imported by Custom Scan. You can browse the information with Custom Brose plugin, but not search it. As already suggested, putting the information in the comment tag should work. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53777 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What Squeezebox to get for bedroom
OhPinchy;356100 Wrote: I've looked around through all the settings pages and I can't find any option to let me browse by AlbumArtist so I'm still browsing by my much longer list of Artists at the moment, so it takes much longer to find what I'm looking for. Does anyone have a decent workaround to what must be a common scenario? You can create a menu with Custom Browse that only contains the artists which SqueezeCenter considers to be album artists. Just create a new menu in the Custom Browse settings page of the type Artists or Filtered Artists and make sure you have only checked Album Artists in the Roles to include parameter. I suspect this isn't going to show all your albums, so if it doesn't you probably want to mark both Artists and Album Artists in the Roles to include parameter, just make sure not to mark Track Artists. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52940 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] managing playlists
Gordon30;354539 Wrote: Can you please tell me where to download erlands dynamic playlist and how to install them. Previously I have tried putting plugins into the plugin folder within the public folder on the slimserver but I am denied access. Any ideas with this also? Third party plugins should be installed in the Plugins directory, not in Slim/Plugin. This directory might require administrative access to write to, so make sure you are logged in as a user with administrative access when you copy files to it. You will find my plugins together with all third party plugins: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeCenter_Plugins Or directly from my download page: http://erland.isaksson.info/download -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54297 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problems with Play Next in 7.2?
I think the problem is that you have the Enable filtering on all playlists option in Custom Skip settings enabled. The result is that when you add tracks manually, it will check them against active filters in Custom Skip and if it matches it will be removed when it is about to start to play. Does it work if you add a track that can't match the currently active skipping filter in the Custom Skip plugin ? I'm guessing that you would really like the track to be played even if it matches your skipping filter ? I'm not completely sure what the best behavior would be here, let's say we have the following scenario: We have a skipping filter that says we don't want to play tracks rated below 3. - If we play a Random Mix playlist we definitely want those low rated tracks skipped. - If we play a standard saved playlist I also suspect we want those low rated tracks skipped. - If we hit play on an artist we probably also want those low rated tracks skipped. - If we hit play on an album I'm not sure what we want. - If we hit play on a specific track we probably want it to be played even if it matches the skipping filter. The problem with the last scenario is just that other people might use this to disallow adult tracks in the kids room and they probably also want to skip in the last scenario. The problem you are seeing should only be seen when the Enable filtering on all playlists option is enabled. The problem when this option is enabled is that the Custom Skip plugin can't differ how the tracks are added. I could possibly add a special case so tracks added manually when a Dynamic Playlist is active is never skipped, but I'm not sure that would give the expected behavior in all the scenarios listed above. Any suggestions on which behavior you (or someone else) would like would be appreciated. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52318 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicInfoSCR
starfleetcommand;351348 Wrote: I love this plugin! Much better than the standard Now Playing that comes with Squeezebox. But, I would like to have the single line display do something like: TITLE pause x seconds clear and display ARTIST pause x seconds clear and display ALBUM and so on. X seconds could be defined by the user in the settings tab. This is now possible if you use MusicInfoSCR together with the just announced Title Switcher plugin, see here for more information: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55240 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53976 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Server delay when browsing folders
Those errors are probably due to: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9423 It's caused by a database that has been upgraded since 6.5 through 7.0.0 to a current release. The easiest way to fix them without upgrading to 7.3 is: 1. Shutdown SqueezeCenter 2. Delete the Cache directory 3. Startup SqueezeCenter and perform a full rescan NOTE The above sequence will result in that all your TrackStat statistics are lost, so make sure you have a working TrackStat backup which you can restore afterwards. I'm not sure you will be able to create a working backup when the installation is in the current state, so make really sure you have a backup file with contents and not just an empty one. By the way, I don't think those errors have anything to do with the performance issues but I'm not completely sure. However, the errors will result in that most menus in the TrackStat plugin doesn't work correctly. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55413 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
Lesu;363635 Wrote: One thing I don't seem to be able to find. Is Random Play included in this release? I don't seem to be able to find it. It almost works if you setup a Random Play playlist as a favorite, unfortunately there is a bug in SqueezeCenter that stops the Random Play playlist directly after it has been started. So if you like this to work I would suggest voting on: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10053 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
morberg;363608 Wrote: Does rating work through iTunes Update as well (I use iTunes as my database for ratings since that synchs with my iPods when I'm out and about)? I know it didn't for the iPeng skin which is why I'm asking. You should be able to set ratings in iTunes through iPeng if you install both TrackStat and iTunes Update. iPeng will rate through TrackStat but iTunes Update will pick up an event from TrackStat and forward it to iTunes. If you like ratings to work in the other direction it gets more complicated, so this is probably a subject of a separate thread in the 3rd party plugins forum if you like to try to set this up. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
mherger;363767 Wrote: Random Play, I'll just have to fall back on iPeng skin to use that feature. I've set RandomPlay Title Albums as two of my favorites. This way you can play them from iPeng. Do you really get this to work ? Last time I checked the random playlist didn't continue to play due to: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10053 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slim Devices' crocodile in the bathtub
mortslim;363598 Wrote: How about $150. for the Controller and $225. for the Receiver? Once you get the price of the Controller down, the perceived value added from the lower price (from the consumer's point of view) will hopefully produce higher profits through a higher volume of sales, not a higher mark up on each Controller sold. And more Controller sales will in turn drive further sales of the other Slim Device products. And lowering the price of the Controller would justify raising the price of the Receiver. Have you seen other technology products that have raised their price after introduction ? It happens in Europe due to the currency exchange rates but besides that it's very hard to do and get acceptance. The Controller hardware has always felt expensive in comparison to the iPod Touch hardware to me. However, I think the idea is that most customers will buy the Duet and not a separate Controller and the Duet price is good. For people that just want the Controller, the iPod Touch is an attractive solution and in my opinion it will still be unless the Controller price is decreased to something like $150. A decrease like that is obviously not going to happen in the close future. When comparing the Controller and the iPod Touch solutions, you will have to realize: - The Controller is still more feature rich, it basically support almost all features available in SqueezeCenter. Besides this it also supports SqueezeNetwork. - The Controller has hard buttons which makes it easier to control in the dark than the iPod Touch, the Controller is also easier to control with a single hand than the iPod Touch. - The iPeng Skin version is close to the Controller regarding important features, but it still lacks the SqueezeNetwork support and the performance isn't as good as the Controller - The iPeng Native version still needs more features to be able to compete with the Controller as the single remote for your Squeezebox. It works really good already today for some people but it won't work for others depending on which features you need. The big advantage with the iPod Touch as I see it is that you also get a portable player. The Controller have audio playback support in 7.3 but it still lacks the physical format and local storage that makes it suitable to put in your pocket when you are leaving the house. In the long run I think the iPod Touch is going to win as a remote control for people that don't want the complete Duet package. However, today this is still not the case, many people need more features than what the iPod Touch native solutions currently offers or need better performance than what you get for the skin version. In the end all this might not be a bad situation for Logitech, because they are going to sell Squeezebox players independent if a user selects to control it with a Controller or a iPod Touch. A user that have a iPod Touch can buy a cheap Receiver to get a player for it, a user that doesn't have a iPod Touch can buy a Duet to get a cheap package with a graphical remote and a player. IMHO, the focus should be to make sure that a solution with AppleTV + Apple AirportExpress can't compete with a Squeezebox solution. To do this there are probably other things than the remote control that needs to be in focus. In this scenario its a pretty good idea to let third party developers handle the iPod Touch applications and skins and focus Logitech resources on other parts of the package. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55543 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suggestion: a new forum for the iPhone apps
snoogly;364815 Wrote: Given that there are now 2 (a 3rd on the way?) iPhone apps to control Slim devices, is it time to set up a new forum - devoted only to those apps? Clearly this is a new 'genre' of software, not a plugin, but worthy of more than 'General Discussion'. '3rd party software' might be a good name for the forum. Wouldn't it be enough to just rename 3rd party plugins to 3rd party software ? Do we really need a completely new section ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55697 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which Web Browser do you use
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56180 Question: Which Browser do you use? - Firefox 2.x - Firefox 3.x - Internet Explorer 6.x - Internet Explorer 7.x - AOL Browser - Opera (any version) - Safari (any version) - Google Chrome - ISP Provided Browser - Other bklaas;368584 Wrote: People that come to this forum != typical users, so fwiw you're going to get a disproportionate tally for Chrome and Firefox. IE is still the standard* of the masses, though perhaps slightly less so than 5 years ago. I just looked at the Google Analytics report from my plugin download page which has been enabled for 4 months and got following: Firefox 55,39 % Internet Explorer 30,42 % Safari 6,00 % Chrome 3,58 % Opera 3,23 % Windows 77,42 % Macintosh 11,18 % Linux 10,88 % iPhone 0,27 % However, I have the same feeling as you, there has to be more users that use IE than this. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56180 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Restart from URL?
You can't do it though the SqueezeCenter software, but if you also have a standard web server installed there might be possible to do it through some cgi scripts. It's planned to make this easier in future version as the new Extension Downloader module in the upcoming SqueezeCenter 7.3 will require it after a new plugin has been installed. There is nothing regarding simple restarts in 7.3.0 though, so you will have to wait at least for 7.3.1. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56183 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders
MrSinatra;368640 Wrote: i'm surprised no one else is commening, but your view seems tilted negative without cause... i don't think logitech would have bought it IF they weren't committed to it. and i wouldn't be surprised if there are plans to have it support video one day. logitech is a computer accessories company, and i can't see them going back to an in house way, b/c i think they realized their in house way paled in comparison to the slim way. I don't think the question is if Logitech is committed. There's definitely a reason why Logitech bought SlimDevices and I'm pretty sure some of the main reasons are that they believe in the products and that they were interested in the open source development philosophy. However, the question here isn't really if Logitech is committed, the question is if the original SlimDevices employees and founders are interested in continuing on the Logitech road or if they like a completely new challenge. I haven't seen any indication yet regarding missing commitment to the product, but I have seen a difference in the interaction with the development community. The interaction with the development community has definitely changed since the Logitech purchase, from my point of view a lot more stuff happens behind closed doors today compared to before the Logitech purchase. Although, the reason for this might not actually be the Logitech purchase, it could also be that there are more employees today and that the roles among the lead developers are different today than before. It shall also be said that I'm not sure this is a bad thing for the company, it's just one of the things that are different today compared to before. I think Logitech bought both the products but most importantly I also think a main reason was that they were interested in the development philosophy used. This also makes me think that Logitech wants the original employees and founders to remain, because if the original employees and founders are lost there is a huge risk that the development philosophy and community also is lost in the process. So the real risk as I see it is if the original employees and founders doesn't feel like continuing working under Logitech. I'm pretty sure the intention was to make this work and probably still is, so I don't think we should be worrying yet. There were a lot of people worrying directly after the purchase that everything was going to be lost, but I think most arguments form these has so far been proven to be wrong. The fact that most new developers earlier was part of the community is also a good thing, from my point of view this is an indication that Logitech really wants the open source development philosophy to continue. I'm pretty sure we would see a lot of changes among the employees if Logitech suddenly would decide to end the open source development and start a closed source direction, fortunately there is no indication that they plan to do this so far. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56164 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders
Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic. radish;368767 Wrote: Forget about closing SC, it basically can't be done (legally or technically). The open source model works well for this product and I simply don't see any reason to change. A closed source model would probably have to be based on completely new code which doesn't make much sense. There is no way legally to change the current SqueezeCenter code to a closed source model. The only reason to change the open source model would be if Logitech decided to completely change the technology to something other than Perl. However, with the current crew this doesn't make much sense as it would be a huge investment. The question isn't really if this is going to continue to be open source, the question is if we will see the same involvement from the development community in the future. The interest of helping a small company like SlimDevices for free is one thing, doing the same for a large corporation like Logitech is a completely different thing, especially if development of the core is handled pretty much behind closed doors. radish;368767 Wrote: What Logitech have done, which incidentally I think has been handled really well, is to reinforce their in-house team with skilled devs who _can_ be managed and scheduled to implement core things which are determined to be essential. That leaves the external devs to tweak and add the kind of scratch-an-itch enhancements that are so awesome on the SB platform and so missing with the competition. I completely agree, this is very smart and is probably the only way to get economics and keep up with the competition. You have to have a in-house team that is large enough to take decision and do development based on time schedules and economic factors. The trick here is still to keep up the interaction with the development community if you like people to continue long term community commitments. There will always be developers available that make a single plugin they need and then disappears, but to make sure community developers stays communication is extremely important as I see it. Unfortunately, my personal feeling is that this is something that we see less of today compared to before. Just look at how discussions are handled in the Development section of the forum, many are left unanswered or without involvement from the Logitech crew. I suspect discussions still are happening among the Logitech crew but they probably happen behind closed doors. With a lot of community development there is a huge risk that schedules will slide and features not interesting from an economic point of view will get focus. This is something that is IMHO something that can be seen in many open source project. radish;368767 Wrote: Really? Never heard of a company relying on Linux? Or Apache? Or MySQL? Microsoft are pretty much the _only_ major software company who haven't done anything significant in the OS space, and many others (e.g. Redhat) are founded on the idea. You can rely on an open source project that already contains the feature you want, but it's hard to rely on that it will be finished in time with a new feature you want. Of course, the open source philosophy also makes it possible for you to personally get involved to make sure it gets finished in time. For closed sourced commercial products you can often get a planned release date, for open source projects this often doesn't exist (with some exceptions). Fortunately this is something that has been improved lately with SqueezeCenter as we now have a roadmap which at least contains the planned contents for the next release and also a planned release date. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) 'My download page' (http://erland.isaksson.info/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56164 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
