[newbie] OT, browser detection.

[franki]

Hi guys
I was just working on a way to detect non JS browsers, so I added the 
following to my page:

noscript
img src='/cgi-bin/myscript/script.pl?nojs=yes' alt='nonJS counter' /
/noscript
Then I turned off JS in firefox and tested it it worked perfectly.. 
so I tried both Lynx  and links..

no count at all
Then I had a DOH!! moment when I realised that both Lynx and links are 
text based browsers, IE they ignore images, and therefore would not 
trigger an image link.

So now I find myself wondering.. what sort of things will text 
browsers and spiders pull in when displaying a page???
I could make a CSS external sheet link..  but I don't think they are 
used either...

Any anyone think of some type of link that a text browser will pull in 
so I can count it?

(I realise I could use a apache log parser, but I give this script away 
to people that may not have log access so I need to do this with an 
object in the page.)

So, my question is,  what objects in a web page will a text browser or 
bot fetch? obviously they will ignore images, js and css files, does 
that leave anything else?


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[newbie] Just in case you all missed it.. SCO takes a hit!!

[franki]

SCO got their ass handed to them in the DaimlerCrysler case.. for all
intents and purposes it was thrown out.
I put the short of it here: http://htmlfixit.com/index.php?p=102
and links to a heap of the other sites that are covering it.
like theregister, zdnet, computerworld and groklaw
one down, 4 to go.
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[newbie] dual layer DVD writing.

[franki]

Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone has had any experiance with dual layer DVD 
writers on Linux?

They are just starting to hit retail shelves now, and handle over 8gig 
of space..

Very cool for a backup system me thinks.
I have some clients that would benefit greatly from this,  and I'd like 
to write a script that backs up their shared folders to a dual layer DVD 
3 times a week. but so far I've not been able to find out if any version 
of cdrecord or anything else is capable of running a dual layer burner.

Anyone have any ideas?
regards
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Re: [newbie] Paris and Linux

[franki]

Ronald J. Hall wrote:
On Wednesday 30 June 2004 01:32 am, M.Schild wrote:
-
- What I don't understand is why there isn't a backlash from cities around
- the world? I mean, if I was the mayor/gov. of a city and saw MS giving 60
- percent discounts to another place, you can be sure I'd be demanding the
- same for my fair 'burg... :-)
-
-
-That's also what I thought and what other cities will do though that sort
 of -mentality would make me choose Linux
-Maryse
I guess I'm cruel (compared to MS? Heh!) but if I were the mayor and 
negotiating with MS I'd hold out till they offered that huge discount, and 
then once they were crawling, I'd go with Linux anyways. ;-)

Actually, this might be of benefit to us.
If Paris went with a mandrake solution, it would probably be based on 
9.2 or 10, and they would definately not go for it if it was only 
supported for 1.5 years.. so Mandrake might expand support for whichever 
they go for.. after all, they will have to create the updates and stuff 
anyway, might as well provide them to us as well.

Then again, for that kind of job, they will probably make a cut down 
simplified install of mdk, so it might not make any difference to us at 
all.   :-(

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Re: [newbie] Took the plunge - CUZ SHE MADE ME

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Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 21:50, Anders Lind wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:06:11 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Woman:
Can't live with'em - and - can't live with'em
Can't live with'em - and - can't kill'em
Can't live with'em - and - can't sell'em
man women
segmentation fault (core dumped)


[05:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ man butt
No manual entry for butt
stephen kuhn - owner


Your a sick puppy Stephen,

I'm proud of you

welcome to australia.

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Re: [newbie] Took the plunge - CUZ SHE MADE ME

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Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 22:44, franki wrote:


[05:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ man butt
No manual entry for butt
stephen kuhn - owner


Your a sick puppy Stephen,

I'm proud of you


Thought about that on the last visit to King's Cross in Sydney...on the
train...tried to hide the chuckling and snickering...was waiting to be
able to use it...heheheh...
Does your lady know you were on the train to Kings Cross ???

Why were you goign there??? last time heard, it was only good for 
finding whores and drugs..
has it changed since then??

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Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?

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Dan Gordon wrote:

On April 5, 2004 12:00 pm, Chuck Mattsen wrote:


I upgraded to 10CE over 9.2 with virtually no farts ... only
problems I recall were flatulent (ugly) fonts upon first boot
(manually did some switching around/assigning of fonts), and some of
my desktop icons (those I had added) were broken (just recreated
them). That was about it.  Oh, xmms would crash upon attempting to
play an .mp3, but that was fixed in the first round of updates for
me.  (There will be a //ton// of updates, so be prepared for a long
update session after install.)


I installed 10 yesterday and did 975MB of updates just after i 
installed.  Its working beutifully.

Regards,
Dan Gordon
Can you tell me where you got the updates??

from what ftp server I mean.. and what path..
I've been trying to add an update source to get all these packages..
I must have done it wrong, because it added the new sources but still 
said there was no updates.
(I wasn't using the default mirror list in mandrakeupdate, I manually 
added a couple of what I thought were cooker sources,
I guess I got it wrong so I'm hoping someone can show me an example of 
what they setup for the updates.)

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[newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?

[franki]

As the question in the subject states, I'm looking for mandrake rpms for 
XPde..

I am always on the lookout for things that will make linux seem less 
threatning for windows users..
To that end I recently discovered XPde http://xpde.com/

which is designed to look like Windows XP, but has ended up looking like 
98/2000 but will have themes available later
to match XP's look.

Anyway, this thing is so close to 98/2000, that I'd be surprised if 
newbie users would even know they were not using 98/2000
if they were to find themselves in front of an Linux/XPde machine..

Now I know all the arguements of why would you want to copy windoze, it 
sux and there are better wm around.. but the point is that
a newbie linux/win user will feel more comfortably with this then they 
would having to learn their way around a completely different wm/GUI...

So to that effect I am looking to find or make an rpm of XPde so that I 
can put it on the systems of users that are unsure about
linux..

I am surprised that the likes of Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows have not 
been looking at this app.. not as a default desktop, but say for example 
they add a user class question to the install screens, and if the user 
selected windows newbie then it could set up XPde for them.

One of the particularly impressive features is the version of windows 
explorer they have created. it is seriously similiar to windows explorer 
and would be MUCH more freindly to windows users then Konqueror or one 
of the others... see for yourself.
http://xpde.com/shots/explorer.png

While I don't believe that the windoze user interface has any 
particulary merits that bear copying.. I just say that for someone 
turning on a pc and expecting win9x, they would be hard pressed to tell 
that this isn't and would probably feel right at home..

then a month later you tell them they've been using linux and show them 
some more powerful and customizable window managers...

(I had a look on rpmfind, and some googling but so far have found no 
rpms for any distro, let along mandrake, however it was mentioned on 
mandrake club as a potential rpm.. so if your a club member, you should 
go and vote for XPde so that those of us that spend our time at the 
front end trying to convert companies to Linux.. have another tool in 
our chest to do so.)

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Re: [newbie] Linux VS Mac a bit OT

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Marc wrote:

  I think it was here on the mandrake list that about 6 months or a year ago I 
read that Linux was about to pass up Mac and become the second most popular 
OS.  Does any one here have any updates on that? Are we still close to 
becoming #2?

Thanks Marc



I don't know about over all, but the stats on my site this month are 
interesting..

Linux:	226


Macintosh OSX:  206
Macintosh Classic:  47
Since its just a HTML help site its pretty non OS specific so I'd guess 
that the stats are pretty representative.
as you can see, linux is higher then either OSX or classing alone, but 
together they are ahead of linux.
for the last few months it has been back and forth like this,, some 
months linux tops both classic and OSX together.

I do have a guy in a mac that visits once or twice a week that may have 
squed the results towards the macs alittle though.

Its good that they are on a par though.. excellent for linux I'd say.



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Re: [newbie] Good news for Linux, bad news for Mandrake.

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Hoyt Bailey wrote:

On Wednesday 24 March 2004 07:25 pm, frankieh wrote:

As the subject says:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115365,00.asp

HP, IBM Sign Up for SuSE Linux

Two more problems skipped.  



I am not sure what you mean here...

as a infamous aussie pollition would say...

Please Explain???

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

[franki]

Well, first thing, what chipset is it?
what northbridge/southbridge chips..
Start by comparing that to existing intel boards..
find out if intel has any docs on those boards and linux on their site..
just a thought.

rgds

Franki

Marc wrote:

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 09:05 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:24:41 -0500

Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 11:03 am, William Warren wrote:

just from this post..it works with windows and not with
Linux..Bioses can be tied to windows and as part of the MS OEM
license that is what most large computer vendors do to get the
rock bottom pricing on windows.  Gateway only supports windows
and they do not and will not support Linux on that machine.  The
warranty states no third party software or hardware is not
supported and will not be supported by gateway.  Dell and most
other vendors have similar clauses in their warranty
agreements...they will not and do not have to replace anything
if it will run under windows.  the court case will go nowhere if
the case is based on the machines inability to run Linux.
FWIW, a brief search of Gateway's site led to over 100 how-to's
related to installing Red Hat and Suse on their products, which
suggests that Gateway has an awareness of Linux. I'm not familiar
with the Gateway product line, so that it is quite possible that
the references are to servers only. Marc, you might want to spend
some time poking around on the Gateway site.
-- cmg
I've been somewhat half-assed following this thread, so feel free to
slap me around if I missed it.
Has anyone asked Gateway for specific help?  Vendors are getting
better about Linux support.  Next year they'll be kissing up to us.
You could be a trend starter.

Lee


   Yep I have spent a couple of hours on the phone to gateway and the actual 
owner of the machine has spent even more time than that. Bottom line they do 
not have a bios update for this machine and no one at gateway seems willing 
to get one. Some Gateway employes have tried to insist that ML 10.0 does not 
have the correct drivers for this MOBO and that is the problem. THAT IS NOT 
the problem!  Other employes at gateway tried to claim that if it runs 
windoze there is not a hardware problem. I have dug around the gateway 
website and there IS NOT a bios update avalible for this mobo but I suspect 
that if I dig around the Intel web site that I may find one to work. Even 
though the information at the intel web site says that if it is a board that 
they made for a OEM they will offer NO support.

Marc

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

[franki]

anton wrote:

Lee Wiggers wrote:



may they all die, like all furry aussie animals destroying NZs beautiful 
and unique nature!
Anton the kiwi who won't be for much longer...
ps. Yes, we do have them, what's more, we have/had a species that is 
extinct in Aussie! And we graciously gave them to you instead of killing 
them all! What have you done for us lately? Eh?



We gave you tasmania,

The only place on earth that paints New Zealanders in a good light..  :-)

After all, its so close to NZ,  and the people act so much like Kiwis, 
that its often hard to tell them apart.

The only difference is that in Tasmania,  not only is not not bad to 
marry your sister and procreate, its encouraged and is a statewide 
pasttime...  (always count the number of fingers and toes on a tasmanian 
girl before getting naughty with her. :-)

LOL, sorry, but had to come up with something in response to a question 
like that..

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Re: [newbie] Encrypt a text file

[franki]

Stephen Reynolds wrote:

When I'm using windows I use winzip to encrypt plain text files that contain 
sensitive information (username/passwords etc)

What do I use to encrypt plain text files with Mandrake 10?

Steve
you shouldn't really use winzip for that, its not strong password 
protection and I have seen tools on the net
that can break them easily..

Have a look at this page..
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Programming_Platforms/Linux_Programming/Q_20129261.html
seems to cover well what you are looking for.

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Re: [newbie] Dell Inspiron screen problems (final)

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Ronald J. Hall wrote:

Okay, just wanted to say the 845patch, installing it in /sbin and loading it 
up in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, with the line:

/sbin/845patch 32000

worked. I've got a 1024x768 screen right after I boot up now.

Its all about the shared memory. I'm assuming better laptops with ATI or 
Nvidia cards, with built in memory, don't have to do this.
You would be correct, I have a 5150 with a 64Mb nvidia Geforce 5200FX 
and run 1600x1200
The nvidia driver installer did its thing perfectly and it all worked 
fine..  I get 1600x1200 in linux just fine.
(I was expecting problems, so I was delighted when I didn't have any.)

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Re: [newbie] German Finance Ministry switches to Linux

[franki]

Glenn wrote:

They're switching from Unix to Linux.  It makes my half-German heart beat with 
pride.  

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,90036,00.html?nas=LIN-90036


Yup, my half german heart is pretty proud now too.. they are leading the 
way.. good stuff.

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Re: [newbie] Linux Modem

[franki]

You might actually be in luck using mdk 8.. but I wouldn't try it with 
9.2. (in fact I already have.)

no luck whatsoever getting it to work..

but apparently it works on anything up to and including  mdk9.1

good luck.

rgds

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Amichai Rotman wrote:

On Friday 13 February 2004 08:08, ka ... wrote:

I have just install Linux Mandrake 8 (kernel v. 2.4.3).
my modem is a broadcom (BCM V.92 56K Modem) how can i make it work; i
found something in
http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-third/msg01652.html
but i dont understand very well, so can somebody tell me exactly what
to do?
_
MSN Fotos: la forma más fácil de compartir e imprimir fotos.
http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx


Hi,

Please messagae me on ICQ (my UIN is included in the sig below) and I'll 
talk you through it.

Regards,

.::.

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Re: [newbie] mail client for windows

[Franki]

anton wrote:

Jason Greenwood wrote:

Why not use Mozilla for Windows? Makes later migration to Linux all 
the easier. 


Or maybe Mozilla Thunderbird, as they seem to be going to discontinue 
Mozilla proper at some stage in the future (in favour of the separate 
projects). Dad probably would prefer to have just one, and not have to 
migrate. That said I am not sure Thunderbird is wonderful on keeping 
backwards compatibility (of stored mail folders, etc) so...
I may be wrong though...
Anton


I have either converted  or convinced to convert about 30 or more 
windows users from outlook/OE/Eudora/Pegasus to Thunderbird..

They have all been blown away by just how good it is..  I love it 
myself, I am writing this on a nightly build of Thunderbird 0.4+

Smart spam filtering, full configuration for everything, and great 
privacy tools.. its a winner already..

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Repairing Perl (was many perl things broken)

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bascule wrote:

just a small point.
to query an installed package, ommit the .i586.rpm
e.g.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] downloads-linux]$ rpm -q perl-5.8.1-0.RC4.2mdk.i586.rpm
package perl-5.8.1-0.RC4.2mdk.i586.rpm is not installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] downloads-linux]$ rpm -q perl-5.8.1-0.RC4.2mdk
perl-5.8.1-0.RC4.2mdk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] downloads-linux]$
bascule

On Friday 14 Nov 2003 2:24 am, Richard Babcock wrote:

here)
After a little time with 'man rpm' I tried to query the package.
#rpm -q perl-5.8.0-19mdk.i586.rpm
package perl-5.8.0-19mdk.i586.rpm is not installed.
Ok, fine. I left the upgrade option out.
#rpm -i perl-5.8.0-19mdk.i586.rpm
package perl-5.8.0-19mdk is already installed.

force the install..

rpm -ivh perl- --force

Since we know its broken, and overwritting it isn't gonna hurt, its 
worth trying as the reinstall might fix broken symlinks and stuff.

rgds

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[newbie] mailman issues... using seperate web/mail servers.

[Franki]

Hello guys,

I am relatively new to mailman, but for the last year or so I have run 
several lists using it...

I recently split my web server and mail server up, (they were previously 
on the same machine,  now they are on the same internal network, but 
different machines.)

Mailman is the only thing I've not been able to sort out with this new 
setup..

I setup postfix on the new server and installed mailman. (2.1.2) with no 
probs.. I then set relayhost in that postfix to use the real mail server 
for any mail to go out...

Then on the old machine which is now just the mail server, but used to 
be both web and mail, I changed the aliases for mailman in 
/etc/postfix/aliases so that instead of piping commands to the mailman 
binary, they instead directed list posts to the web servers postfix (I 
used a fake internal domain internal.com for the web servers postfx 
mydestination and added it to the hosts file of both machines)

Then on the web server, I put the real mailman aliases that pipe to the 
mailman binary..

This seems something of a mess..  and I'm also having a problem that 
internal.com is resolved via dns to an external site  (who'd have 
thought :-) postfix seesm to ignore the hosts entries (and the 
/var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts) entries and is just using dns to resolve, 
(even though resolv.conf and hosts.conf are set to seach locally first)..

Anyway, after much scratching of my head, searching the net, reading 
mailman docs I am not really any closer to getting this working...

I am not a postfix guru (or any MTA for that matter.) so I am not even 
sure how I should be naming an internal mailserver that only has access 
to the external net via my real mail server.

Can you guys give me any pointers as to the best way I can achive this???

kindest regards

Franki





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Re: [newbie] Why MicroSlop wants Google!

[Franki]

Schwartz Avi wrote:

On Nov 11, 2003, at 8:21, Ronald J. Hall wrote:

Check it out - very interesting reading.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12603


Unfortunately for the Inquirer, the article is wrong.  If you run the 
Linux Windows search you get on the first page indeed 'Results 1-15 of 
about 18 containing Linux Windows' but if you click on Next now it 
changes to 'Results 16-30 of about 8921757 containing Linux Windows'. 
 At the same time, Google gives me 'Results 1 - 10 of about 9,370,000'. 
 So the difference is not as big as claimed.  How hard was it for the 
writer to test it out first?

Avi


Yes, but its also possible that microsoft tweaked it when the article 
was released...
It would be very bad press if mainsteam media noticed it and  were able 
to verify...

We just don't know.  which means if MS did tweak it, then they got away 
with it.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] waiting for Mandrake 9.2 ISOs....

[Franki]

Phil Newcombe wrote:

Thinker wrote:

Any idea as to how long we will have to wait for the ISO's?

Is there another way to download and fully install 9.2 without the
ISO's, like a Net_install?
-Thanks,

-=Thinker

 

I just installed 9.2 from an ftp mirror after dl'ing the network install 
floppy image and 'rawrite'ing it (rawritewin doesn't seem to work, at 
least on W98).  Slick as a rotten banana - worked like a charm. (I 
looked up the uri for the mirror on the mandrake 9.2 dl page before I 
started.)



http://mirror.wa.3fl.net/pub/mandrake/9.2/



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Re: [newbie] waiting for Mandrake 9.2 ISOs....

[Franki]

HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:12:49 -0500
Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

Gee Stephen; I'm not a druggo, but I am Canadian, and 9.2
is running absolutely fine on my systems. 
The worst thing I've had to do with a 9.2 iunstall is to
reset the BIOS to defaults until the install was complete.
Don't know why you're unhappy with it. Mine runs faster,
and smoother than 9.1, with nicer graphics.

What seems to be your problem with 9.2? Need some help?


Um, yer familiar with Stephen, no?



For those who came in late and do not know of stephen,

He is an ex pat US dude that came to australia and discovered magic 
mushrooms at what appears to be roughly the same time..

Both of those facets have been blatent in his posts ever since.

Currently he is probably upset that his former linux fav redhat has 
abaondoned their grass roots users in the chase for the ellusive dollar. 
  :-)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Franki]

Lanman wrote:

Just curious about something. How many of the list members
are using
Linux in the workplace and how?
I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what
with it, and
which distro's, whether they're seeing 
an increase in business because of Linux and what
interesting things
they're doing with Linux. 

It might prove to be an interesting source of information
for
newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, 
especially when it's applied in a production environment.
We see all
kinds of articles regarding Linux, but
it's very hard to contact those people to see how something
was done,
and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used
to accomplish a particular task.

MandrakeSoft has a special site
(http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ),
that allows anyone to post their 
particular application of Linux, but for the most part you
can't get
the hands-on info from those companies 
or individuals.

Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site?
Comments?
Lanman  

I've been using linux since just before Redhat 4 if memory serves.. so a 
few years..  I swapped to mandrake around mdk7.2 time and have not 
looked back.

I've tried slackware, debian, caldera, coral, land a heap of others as 
well, but mdk and rh have always been the choice for me because  I 
find getting the job done fast more important then steet cred.

I've setup dozens of business's in perth with linux servers, many are 
just internet gateways, others are file servers and more are 
combinations thereof..

myself, I have about 6 linux servers and I use them to host websites for 
companies.. all the servers are mandrake now.
my home network is a samba file server (mdk9.0) and my DNS server is 
also a mandrake box.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11

[Franki]

HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:43:21 -0500
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

Get a new network.img from your favourite mirror and use that. The
trees have been updated to get rid of the .10.mdkBOOT kernel image
and that would cause a conflict since the image you're using was
likely from the original.
I just snagged the img about an hour ago, but I'l try one from a
different mirror, thanks!


Tried a different image, dated 10/29, same problem, though this time it
did show a message in the logs:
reverse dns lookup on self failed

Any ideas? Man, when are those ISO's comin' out...

Yeesh,

How many times I gotta post this:

http://mirror.wa.3fl.net/pub/mandrake/9.2/
contains:
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk1of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:25   652M
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk2of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 04:44   698M
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk3of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:51   695M
These are not the RC, they are the real deal.
#cat /etc/release-mandrake
Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586
and the checksums match up as well..  I am running it now as my primary 
web server.

rgds

Franki



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Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11

[Franki]

HaywireMac wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:18:55 +0800
Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

Yeesh,

How many times I gotta post this:

http://mirror.wa.3fl.net/pub/mandrake/9.2/
contains:
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk1of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:25   652M
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk2of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 04:44   698M
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk3of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:51   695M
These are not the RC, they are the real deal.
#cat /etc/release-mandrake
Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586
and the checksums match up as well..  I am running it now as my
primary web server.


I tried that before, it keeps timing out. I'll keep trying, thanks!



hmmm, well its a mirror all the ISP's here offer bandwidth unlimited 
downloads from..
So its possible that is only accessable from one of the ISP's...

If so, then I apologize for suggesting it..  :-)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11

[Franki]

HaywireMac wrote:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:58:59 +0800
Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

hmmm, well its a mirror all the ISP's here offer bandwidth unlimited 
downloads from..
So its possible that is only accessable from one of the ISP's...

If so, then I apologize for suggesting it..  :-)


could it be that it's just all us trying to hit it at the same time?

Spose its possible, but I read its on a huge pipe, so I can't see it 
being overrun.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11

[Franki]

Aron Smith wrote:

On Monday 10 November 2003 01:23 pm, HaywireMac wrote:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:18:55 +0800

Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

Yeesh,

How many times I gotta post this:

http://mirror.wa.3fl.net/pub/mandrake/9.2/
contains:
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk1of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:25   652M
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk2of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 04:44   698M
 MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk3of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:51   695M
These are not the RC, they are the real deal.
#cat /etc/release-mandrake
Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586
and the checksums match up as well..  I am running it now as my
primary web server.
I tried that before, it keeps timing out. I'll keep trying, thanks!
I'm getting the same  but will keep trying.

If I had a big enough pipe, I'd put them up myself, but I don't have 
enough upload at the moment for one of you guys, let alone a couple of 
dozen...  :-)

sorry.

rgds

Franki

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Re: [newbie] many perl things broken

[Franki]

Richard Babcock wrote:

Greetings all,
A few days ago I was using K3b and my computer 'stopped responding.' I
had a
'Microsoft moment' and foolishly chose to simply reset the pc. I know
better. I usually use webmin when this happens and restart the system.
The
action has apparently done some damage to perl. Some of the error
messages
during boot up follow:
-snip-
Building Window Manager Sessions /usr/sbin/fndSession:
/usr/sbin/chksession:
/usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
/usr/sbin/fndSession: line 12: perl: command not found
/usr/sbin/fndSession: /usr/sbin/chksession: /usr/bin/perl: bad
interpreter:
No such file or directory
...other lines work fine
Loading parallel port printer kernel modules...
/etc/rc3.d/S60cups: /usr/sbin/correctcupsconfig: /usr/bin/perl: bad
interpreter: No such file or directory
...other lines work fine
/etc/webmin/start: /usr/share/webmin/miniserv.pl: /usr/bin/perl: bad
interpreter: No such file or directory
...other lines work fine
-end snip-
harddrake also fails and when I try to run harddrake2 from the console
I get
the following error message:
-snip-
-bash: /usr/sbin/harddrake2: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such
file or
directory
-end snip-
Also, I cannot run and XWindow session.
I have poked around quite a bit for info on removing and reinstalling
perl.
There is quite a bit on installing perl modules but I haven't found
much on
installing the interpreter. Or could I perhaps simply have broken sim
links?
I took a look at the RPM's on disk 2 of the installation disks and
there is
a lot there with 'perl' in the name but I do not know which, if any,
would
repair my situation.
A further 'Microsoft moment' prompted me to perform an upgrade using
the ML
cd's. I ended up with old entries on my lilo menu but the same errors
on
startup and still no X.
The next 'Microsoft moment' will be to reinstall everything from
scratch. I
am confident this is completely unnecessary but am at a loss as to what
to
do next. Any help would be appreciated greatly.
I am using ML 9.1 on an AMD processor.
tia
Rich B

/usr/bin/perl is usually a simlink

As yu can see from my mdk9.0 box:

 ls -la /usr/bin/perl
lrwxr-xr-x1 root root5 Nov  7  2002 /usr/bin/perl - 
perl5*

Its  a symlink to perl5
which in turn is  symlink to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] validator]# ls -la /usr/bin/perl5
lrwxr-xr-x1 root root9 Nov  7  2002 /usr/bin/perl5 
- perl5.8.0*

perl5.8.0

the reason for that is pretty simple, /usr/bin/perl should always point 
to the perl binary on your system, regardless if what perl you have 
installed.

Its possible that you have lost the symlinks.. check to see if they are 
there.

rgds

Franki













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Re: [newbie] Weird apache2 ADVX non SSL issue. Mandrake 9.2.

[Franki]

Adolfo Bello wrote:
Make sure the line

NameVirtualHost *:80

is not commented.

Any warning when you enter apachectl restart?

Adolfo




I got it sorted...

Turns out that on mdk, the _default server settings interfere with my 
ADVX 1.3 instals vhosts setup I was trying to use..

so I changed this:
NameVirtualHost *:80
to this:
NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.8:80
and then changed my: virtualhost *:80
to just:
VirtualHost 192.168.1.8

and it started working
Thanks for the help
hopefully thats the biggest prob I will have learning apache2.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Weird apache2 ADVX non SSL issue. Mandrake 9.2.

[Franki]

Adolfo Bello wrote:
 
Glad to know you got the problem sorted.

However, I am rather curious why it doesn't work with *:80.

Could you post (or mail me off list) your httpd2.conf and ssl-xxx.conf?

Adolfo

Hi Adolfo,

Nothing to send you, they are dead standard mdk9.2 config files for apache2.
I have not yet modified ether httpd2.conf or sss...
If you don't have 9.2 handy, I can send them to you.

rgds

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[newbie] Weird apache2 ADVX non SSL issue. Mandrake 9.2.

[Franki]

Hi guys (and ladies.)

I have just been trialing apache2 on mdk9.2 to replace my trusty 9.0 
apache 1.3 web server.
(for htmlfixit.com and all my other domains.)

anyway, I have an Athlon XP server to replace the old one and 9.2 went 
on it perfectly.

Got apache2 fired up with my apache 1.3 Vhosts.conf file no problems..

Then I tried to access one of the hosts..

When I try to do it as normal http I get this message:
-
Bad Request
Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port.
Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please.
-
When called as https, it works fine. (using the advx temp test server 
cert)...
The perl and php and shtml stuff all works fine.

I'd like to have this work as normal http if I can.

Anyone know of what I should be doing?  I was pretty familiar with 
apache 1.3 but this is my first look at apache2.



regards

Franki



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Re: [newbie] Weird apache2 ADVX non SSL issue. Mandrake 9.2.

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Adolfo Bello wrote:

Any virtual host using SSL has to be defined twice. The one that tells
Apache to use HTTP is in Vhosts and looks like:
VirtualHost *:80
   IfDefine SSL
   SSLEngine off
/IfDefine
DocumentRoot /path/to/your/site
ServerName www.yoursite.com
/VirtualHost
You got the SSL one already working. I guess is in conf.d/ssl-.conf
(Sorry, I install Apache 2 from tarball which uses ssl.conf in conf/).
HTH

Adolfo
Hi Adolfo and all,

I didn't want SSL with the virtual hosts..

I have one cert on the server (or will when I get it sorted, but thats 
how it was set on the old server with apache 1.3)
The one cert is only for one subdomain... the rest are all just normal 
http...

I tried your suggestions, but they didn't help... so I wiped the whole 
apache2 install.. and reinstalled from scratch.
then put the Vhosts.conf file back. (without defined ports or SSLEngine 
off) and it kinda worked. (must have been a clagged install)
Now I get all virt hosts coming up as the first virt host listed in the 
vhosts.conf file...

so its still not working properly.. there are about a dozen virt named 
hosts in the file.. and all of them come back with the first listed 
vhosts pages.

I'll keep playing with this, but any advice would be appreciated.

regards

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2 ISO

[Franki]

Pawel Nozderko wrote:

I'm just wondering: today is 6'th of november and normal people who isn't 
a mandrake member must wait to download a new iso - why it takes so 
long ? 

Could anybody share your iso in a public ftp !!


Do a google search for 9.2 iso's...

Thats how I found it..

I found an australian mirror with the real ISO's (not rc2) and a local 
mirror of all the updates...

loading it on my new webserver now.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2 ISO

[Franki]

Do you know if the ISOs have the updates included or are they the same 
as the bittorent ones with the LG drive patch?

Joeb



No,
Looking at the kernel version I have installed, it doesn't have the LG 
fix kernel..

The fixed kernel is in the updates directory on the same site though..
I didn't load it because I am thinking of trying packet writing on the 
HP 9500 burner in this unit..

If you want the LG resolved version, you'll probably have to wait till 
Mandrake releases it, unless you want to
modify the ISO of CD1 yourself..

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Registered Linux User No.

[Franki]

Aidan Holmes wrote:

Could someone please explain to me what the  Registered Linux User 
No.xxx is that a few of you sport in your email signatures.

I like the sound of that -Registered Linux User - how do you become one 
and does it give you any benefits other than a cool email signature?

-Aidan





No other benefits, just support for the community and some cred with 
fellow linux users... :-)
I signed onto this thing a few years ago...

rgds

Franki

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Re: [newbie] Elsewhere in the news

[Franki]

Tom Brinkman wrote:

snip /
   So y'all can help, or give up. One or the other, no free rides. 
Join the Club, but also,
  tom $ cat /etc/mandrake-release
  Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Cooker) for i586  
   got goin yesterday. Install an test it, specially those with ready 
made marginal hardware (Dell, Gateway, Compaq, any laptop, etc). 
Subscribe (lurk) on the cooker and change log lists, contribute when 
you can. When it's done in a few months, you can feel proud that you 
helped ... or you can resort to being one of those that sings the 
same old song 'Mandrake hasn't been a good release insert prior 
release, this one should'a had more work an testing'  

It's up to y'all.


I'd soo love to run cooker on my laptop...  (i5150) but I have to 
settle for 9.2.

Reason is that ADSL in Australia really sucks and if I was to sync 
cooker from 9.2 right now, chances are that by tomorrow I'd have done my 
months bandwidth allocation...

However, I am working on it..   we have a server network over here, WAIX 
that all the ISP's in the area use and don't change if you download 
from.  (I just got the 9.2 CD's from them.)

I am going to see if I can get them to mirror cooker so I and anyone 
else interested can get our updates for free (bandwidth wise).

rgds

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 questions

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Graham Watkins wrote:

Anne Wilson wrote:

Apparently LG, on some models, used FLUSH_CACHE to initiate 
overwriting the firmware, without publicising the fact.  That caused 
those models to die during the install.  New ISOs are being prepared 
so that people with those drives can safely install 9.2, but it is at 
the expense of the udf capability in the kernel.  No way round that - 
you can't have udf and safety for those drives.


Excuse the interruption Anne, but does this mean that 9.2 has UDF 
read/write capability?

If this is true then it's what I've been waiting for this for years. UDF 
is currently the only thing for which I need Windows.

Has anyone tried it yet. Does it work or is it still in development?



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I am more interested in knowing if mandrake will supply two kernels, one 
with, one without..

I like udf capability and would like to have it on my laptop (DVD burner).

I spose if I have to I could apply the patches from whatever fixes come 
along and put them on the default kernel, but I'd rather not.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges

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Bryan Phinney wrote:

On Friday 31 October 2003 09:17 am, Tango Echo wrote:


Yes, I do actually. Bryan, your problem is you are too
rational =). In this upside down world we live in, and
an even more more upside down US legal system (plz, no
OT flames) anything is possible.  I've heard of cases
where a theif fell thru a skylight window, injuried
himself, sued the intended victim and won.  While I
suspect that is probably an urban legend I totally
believe it is possible...


Anything is possible.  However, we need to gauge our actions based on what is 
probable.  I don't think that qualifies.


Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net
While it's possible it may deal directly with his
LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the
tar pit technology.  Here's a quote from the site:
Quote:
This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added
on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an
unlawful communication device as any communication
device which is capable of... facilitating the
disruption... of a communication service without the
express consent or express authorization of the
communication service provider...


Well, I am not a resident of Illinois, therefore, this particular criminal 
code does not apply to me.  Also, as written, it is not usable against a 
honeypot.  If you are running the honeypot, you are the communication service 
provider, therefore, you have given yourself express authorization.  If you 
are the spammer, you are not the service provider, but instead are the 
service taker, and you are the one that does NOT have express consent or 
authorization.  The operator of a mail server is the provider.


It furthermore makes it a criminal offense if a person
knowingly possesses, uses, manufactures, assembles,
distributes, leases, transfers, or sells an unlawful
communication device... for the commission of a theft
of a communication service or to receive, disrupt,
transmit, decrypt, or acquire... any communication
service without the express consent or express
authorization of the communication service provider,
or to conceal or to assist another to conceal from any
communication service provider or from any lawful
authority the existence or place of origin or
destination of any communication.


I think that you need to reread the for the commission of a theft of a 
communication service portion again.  A spammer, by definition is committing 
a theft of service and meets all the definitions of this act.  So, he is 
going to press criminal charges against you for committing an act identical 
to his own?  A drug dealer pressing charges against another drug dealer for 
dealing drugs?  Not only that but criminal charges must be prosecuted by the 
State, not by a private entity, so there is no way that a spammer can sue you 
for a violation of criminal law, only for a tort.


LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals the
true origin of communication in an attempt to protect
a network from attack. If you are currently running
LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the
legality of having an operating network tarpit in your
state.
...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/  This program sounds
nice too...


Someone's paranoid reading of the law in a way that suits their fantasy.  
Again, this is defined as unlawful communication device for the commission 
of a theft of service.  A tarpit or honeypot does not commit a theft of 
service, is falsely proposes to provide a service.  That is a very different 
thing.


The trick to legality, is MOTD's on all the usual services...

something like:

This is a  network server, unauthorised access is strictly 
prohibited, any and all activity on these servers
is recorded and monitored. By continuing, you submit that you argee with 
these terms and condititons.

That serves two purposes,
1. they would not expect a tarpit to have such strong motd.. so it looks 
serious.
2.  They just gave consent to your monitoring of all their 
communications through the server.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] ** Welcome to Newbie **

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Eric Huff wrote:

People don't know what Twiki is?  :)
I don't think I heard that term outside of these lists.


Oh, i was just kidding.  Until i joined this list Twiki was just the
little robot on Buck Rogers that said Biddie biddie biddie.
eric

Lol,

I remember him.. and Theopolis the flashing talking breadbox.  :-)

we are really showing our age...  :-)

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

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Schwartz Avi wrote:
Anne,

Your comment was not about me, right?

Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new version 
of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you be as 
generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the top of your 
lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?

Avi

FRANKI:

Well, I can't speak for the others, but I would not begrudge microsoft, 
though I might laugh at them diversively...
But then, I do that anyway..

Avi, you do not appear to have read up on this...

The fault is LG's, they used a command that is sposed to clear the 
drives buffer on burners to instead be interpreted by
their CD rom as upload firmware, thereby wiping the drives 
firmware.

Their drives are NOT ATAPI drives as they do not support he ATAPI 
standard, therefore LG are liable for misrepesentation., no doubt about 
it..  and I will bet the designers of the ATAPI standard would agree...

Now if we write an application that is totally ATAPI compliant as the 
mandrake kernel apparently is/was. and it clags the CDROM
because it was sold as an ATAPI drive when it clearly ISN'T.. who are 
you to blame???

If you went and purchased a car that the manufacturer said was suitable 
for roads in Australia (for example) and the car arrived
and you discovered the steering wheel was on the wrong side of the car 
and you had a crash and totalled the car because of it who, would you 
sue 
Australia for making the roads wrong??? or would you sue the manufacture 
for selling you a car that clearly wasn't matched to
the australian roads?

ATAPI is alot of things, but primarily its a standard, a specification 
for the format and API  (Application programming interface)
of IDE devices.. meaning there is a big list of commands that  real 
ATAPI compliant hardware will respond to in a consistant manner
regardless of brand or features..

If they don't have a 100% compliant drive, they should NOT be marketing 
it as an ATAPI drive..

LG are clearly at fault here, the fact that you didn't know that you 
really didn't have an ATAPI drive is their fault also, not yours.
So direct the anger where it belongs... to a manufacture that lied and 
called their hardware ATAPI compliant when it obviously is not.
And then refusing to help when it is discovered by the public that they 
misrepresented their drives.

This could just have easily been any linux distro, or Nero, or 
Adaptec/Roxio, or microsoft for that matter.. the difference is, that LG 
no doubt kiss the ass of those companies to get on the supported 
drives lists... but poor old linux has to learn the hard way about 
faulty hardware.

Be careful what you wish for.. if Mandrake were to adopt a position of 
responsibility for LG's error, you would unlikly see anything cutting 
edge in mandrake till long after someone else has done it first...

To be honest, CDROM's being as cheap as they are now days.. throw the 
dud one out .(or send it back to LG) and go and get yourself a
nice new burner or DVD player (or both) and get on with life  (But 
don't forget that LG lied about ATAPI compliance by doing something 
against the rules (reusing an ATAPI command for something other then its 
proper designated task.)

Anyway, my answer to your quesiton about MS was no.. somehow that turned 
into a page of text.. gotta learn to get a hold of myself sometimes.   :-)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Franki]

John Richard Smith wrote:


Which is why we need a TWIKI to tell us which hardware conforms to 
minimum standards, and which hardware does not, and may cause, or be, 
harmed . As a newbie we cannot be expected to know the difference. It is 
all too damn easy to buy the wrong equipement.

John


FRANKI:

Agreed..

A real hardware compatability list for mandrake would be fantastic.. 
something like the MS compatability list.
Since Mandrake has neither the money or the resources to provide this, 
it falls to us users..

Which is why for whatever its faults, the twiki can be a great resource..
someone needs to create a better script/db for the hardware list though..
If enough people thinks its worth it.. I will knock up a PHP/MySQL that 
is nothing else BUT a hardware list that people can add to
as they will. or comment on someone elses submission.

rgds

Franki

Its probably too late for mandrake the ship the retail packages with the 
new workaround kernel, but
they should print out a few thousand flyers about it and put them in the 
box in bright red print.





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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

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robin wrote:

Franki wrote:
[snip]
The fault is LG's, they used a command that is sposed to clear the 
drives buffer on burners to instead be interpreted by
their CD rom as upload firmware, thereby wiping the drives 
firmware.

Their drives are NOT ATAPI drives as they do not support he ATAPI 
standard, therefore LG are liable for misrepesentation., no doubt 
about it..  and I will bet the designers of the ATAPI standard would 
agree...

Now if we write an application that is totally ATAPI compliant as the 
mandrake kernel apparently is/was. and it clags the CDROM
because it was sold as an ATAPI drive when it clearly ISN'T.. who are 
you to blame???


LG are clearly to blame, but the kernel developers deserve a slap on the 
wrist as well. Sure, the bug is in the CDROM, not the kernel, but LG 
CDROMs are everywhere! An analogy is website design.  I write, or at 
least try to write, standards-compliant HTML/CSS. If it comes out fine 
in Mozilla, I can be pretty damn sure it'll look OK in Opera or 
Konqueror.  I also know that there is a risk that Internet Explorer will 
mangle my code, so from time to time I test my pages in IE.  I can't be 
bothered to spend a lot of time on workarounds to makesure my pages look 
exactly right on IE, but I at least want them to be legible (same 
applies to things like Netscape 4.*). I can't afford to take the view 
that any problem is Microsoft's fault and not my problem, because 90% of 
people viewing my pages will be using IE.

The same applies to LG CDROMs.  I don't know how common they are where 
the developers live, but here in Turkey, they are the most common 
drives, because they're cheap, and actually more reliable than their 
main rival, Sony. Whateverthe problems, the kernel should have been 
tested on them.
[snip]

Be careful what you wish for.. if Mandrake were to adopt a position of 
responsibility for LG's error, you would unlikly see anything cutting 
edge in mandrake till long after someone else has done it first...

As I said, the fault at the Linux end is really with the kernel 
developers more than with Mandrake.

To be honest, CDROM's being as cheap as they are now days.. throw the 
dud one out .(or send it back to LG) and go and get yourself a
nice new burner or DVD player (or both) and get on with life  


That's fine if we're talking about a home user with a decent salary. If 
we're talking about a school in a developing country with a load of 
CDROMs to replace, I imagine the techie who suggested switching over to 
Linux isproabbly looking for a job now.

Sir Robin



You have some valid points Robin,
BUT, the LG cdroms WERE tested.. it was only a firmware revision that 
had the problem..
so not all firmware was tested apparently.  Is it the kernels 
responsibility to get every single piece of hardware
and then get every piece of hardware with every revision of firmware to 
test it with???

If that is how it was run, we'd still be using variants of kernel 1.x

And your analogy of the school, if the  IT guy didn't test it on a few 
systems before rollout, the he SHOULD be  looking for a new job.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

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Schwartz Avi wrote:

On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:

On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:

What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
their kernel for the 9.2 release.


I think they would prefer the adjective remarkably cutting-edge.

You certainly mean Bleeding Edge :-)

I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their drive. 
 Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?

Avi

Lol,

I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..

LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not 
mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround.. which 
they already have it seems.



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Re: [newbie] lost root password

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eric wrote:
Hi,

I was recently hospitalized and I didn't use my computer for awhile. 
During that time I forgot my password for root and I forgot where I 
wrote it down.

Can I find that password somewhere on my system? Will I have to do a 
total reinstall?

Thank you for any help you can give.

Eric

Boot from the mandrake CD1

press F1 for more options and then enter rescue at the prompt.

when it comes up, in rescue mode, type: chroot /mnt
(mandrake may have given you the option of doing that from a menu now.. )
when thats done, type:

passwd root

and enter the new password twice.. and reboot..

good stuff

There is no way to get the old password back, its only stored as one way 
encryption,, so it can't be recoved.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] lost root password

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eric wrote:
Franki wrote:

Hi,


I tried the suggestion shown below with no luck. I'm using 9.1, if that 
matters.

Boot from the mandrake CD1


I did that

press F1 for more options and then enter rescue at the prompt.


I did that


when it comes up, in rescue mode, type: chroot /mnt

This didn't work.  When it came up in resue mode, I chose console and 
then entered, chroot/mnt. I got an error. bash no such file or 
directory I got help for chroot. It says, chroot NEWROOT [options] or 
chroot command. Chroot gives me an error, no such directory as NEWROOT

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Eric


Probably my fault, I have not needed to do it since mandrake 7.2 so the 
process has apparently changed.
The linux single suggestion will now doubt do it for you now.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] lost root password

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Sharrea Day wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:59, eric wrote:

Franki wrote:
I tried the suggestion shown below with no luck. I'm using 9.1, if that
matters.

Boot from the mandrake CD1
I did that


press F1 for more options and then enter rescue at the prompt.
I did that

when it comes up, in rescue mode, type: chroot /mnt
This didn't work.  When it came up in resue mode, I chose console and
then entered, chroot/mnt. I got an error. bash no such file or
directory I got help for chroot. It says, chroot NEWROOT [options] or
chroot command. Chroot gives me an error, no such directory as NEWROOT
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


Follow Franki's instructions but ignore the chroot /mnt part and instead 
choose Mount your partitions in /mnt from the menu that comes up.

Then when it goes back to this same menu choose Go to console.

Continue with Franki's instructions.

Sharrea

Oh well, I was close, its good to know mandrake have not totally changed 
the way it works.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] lost root password

[Franki]

David E. Fox wrote:

when it comes up, in rescue mode, type: chroot /mnt


Im not certain that's going to work... what is actually mounted at 
that point? His root partition? What chroot does is to change the
root partition basically. Putting in NEWROOT is just a sample place, 
it's not meant to be taken literally. It's more like a variable.

Eric, have you tried booting into failsafe mode? It's one of the 
choices on your menu, or at least it should be there. failsafe will put
the box in single user mode (essentially the same thing as 'linux single'
(which may not work.)

Once you're in single user mode, you should be able to change the 
password for root 'passwd root' type the same password in twice, 
and then telinit 3 and login as root.


Eric



David E. Fox  Thanks for letting me
[EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   on your hard disk.
---
David,

I can't say for certain how it works with the newer mandrake
but going into rescue mode used to mount all the linux partitions under /mnt
so chroot mnt (or doing it from the menu) essentially mounted all your 
partitions as per normal.
you essentially have your full system back with the exception that its 
running the kernel from the CDROM.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

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HaywireMac wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:55:10 -0500
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

   Well, so I'll say this newbie user TWiki is redundant, loaded 
with marginal solutions. Often wrong or not useable for all.  
That's why I haven't contributed. Better wicki's are already 
provided by Mandrake or Google.


That's nice, you arrogant old schmuck.

There is no need for that

I respect Toms opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it..

I was looking though the twiki last night and there is some useful stuff 
on it.
But the best part of it I think is that its totally user driven.. and 
thats great.

As for the google solution, that is great and I use it daily, however 
quiet often what you find is not mandrake specific..
The twiki is..

Don't take it to heart people, the Twiki is a useful resource as already 
has a wealth of info on it..

(admitadly its got some bones showing in a few places, but for the most 
part, its pretty good.)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

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Tom Brinkman wrote:

On Saturday 25 October 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 6:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:

   Let me add some caution here.


   I'm not out to cause scaremongering - the opposite in fact, 
but I do think it's wise to say on the TWiki that if you have one
of these drives it is better to wait until the issue is resolved
or stated to be unresolvable before installing 9.2.  Perhaps you
would like to have a go at wording that?
Anne


Well, so I'll say this newbie user TWiki is redundant, loaded 
with marginal solutions. Often wrong or not useable for all.  
That's why I haven't contributed. Better wicki's are already 
provided by Mandrake or Google.  Not too mention there's always 
dozens of ways to solve problems or situations under Linux. And 
some of 'em are very short lived. As is most current hardware.

  wait until the issue is resolved or stated to be unresolvable 
before installing 9.2 is cozy, but it doesn't address the problem 
of people willing to pays lots, for $4 win hardware cdroms an ready 
made computers that sport them.
Tom my man,
you may have been on cooker for too long dude..
Most people already have their CDROM be it a 4 dollor POC or not..
Not telling people that mandrake will fry their drive is NOT gonna help 
mandrakes public opinion.
What you say is entirely true, I have worked at the manufacturer level 
so I know you are right..

we are not dealing with hardcore's and we are not dealing with cookers, 
we are dealing with newbies..
most  are considering a change and have only a basic knowledge of what a 
cdrom is and does..

Personally I think a hack should be made by mandrake and added to the 
boot kernel to detect the LG units and give a warning.
Its gonna bite them on the ass otherwise.

Address the issue of hardware without trashing peoples cdroms and your 
more likely to see some effect...

Whats next? having linux fry winmodems? winprinters ?  Western Digital 
hard disks??  as much as I'd like to say thats a good idea.
considering mandrakes finiancial position I have to say its not.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] i586 vs i686

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

All the things I read when doing research on getting Linux running
mentioned i586 as the designator for modern PC-type chipsets. Looking
around in KDE's start menu, I saw the KDE Control Center.  I have been
using the Mandrake Control Center so I decided to see what the KDE one
looked like.
Under the Index tab (with no tree options selected) I see i686 listed
as my machine type.
So what is the difference between the two?
 

IN short, everything after the venerable 486 is at least a i586.
Pentium II and III and IV are all classed as i686 since its backwards 
compatable.. obviously they will work with i586 packages.

P4 and AND athlons will also work on i586  and i686 packages as well, 
though you can probably get slightly more performance by using the 
packages created exactly for your architure..
The difference though is usually pretty small.

hope that helps.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] linux complient notebooks

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L.V.Gandhi wrote:

On Tuesday 14 Oct 2003 8:48 pm, Franki wrote:
 

L.V.Gandhi wrote:
   

I would like to get opinions from those possesing linux compatible
notebooks without any driver problem. Further I would like to ask those
possessing intel centrino based notebooks their usability in linux for
wireless connection. Mine will be general purpose using productivity apps
and also video and audio playing from cds and dvds in addition to
internet oriented jobs.
I have just just gotten a Dell Inspiron 5150,
 

3.06gig  Mobile Pention 4.
512MB DDR.
Geforce FX5200 go.
60 gig HDD.
TM1300 b/g wireless.
I have not loaded linux on it yet, was waiting for Mandrake 9.2
however I did start the machine with knoppix and it all seemed to work
fine.
Didn't try the wireless but some searching on the net shows it is
possible to work, but you have to compile a module to do it. (no biggie).
When mdk9.2 comes out, I will be documenting all the steps I took to get
it working and link it on the Twiki.
   

Thanks for the response.
After Asus A7N8X deluxe MB and asus v9180SE video card in my desktop, I am 
wary of video system and MB chipsets. knoppix 3.2 works OK even in my desktop 
with fb without dri. Even closed source binary nvidia driver from their site, 
doesn't provide dri support. Further MB chipset nvidia nforce2 is not 
supported by mdk 9.1 stock kernel. I have to download a new kernel without 
source(I have only dial up connection). Now without source, video driver wont 
compile. I will wait for your trial with mdk9.2.
Any opinion on centrino?

 



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Well since Centrino is not as fast as 3.06 gig mobile P4, I chose to go 
with the later..

Centrino is only of use for those wanting smallest laptop with longest 
battery life.
The 5150  has over 4 hours battery life so its fine for me.

Why get a centrino with 802.11b and limit yourself to 11mb transfers, 
when you can have 802.11b/g in the 5150 and get the full 54mb transfer 
speed?

Centrino is ok, but why pay extra for less CPU grunt?

rgds

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Re: [newbie] linux complient notebooks

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L.V.Gandhi wrote:

I would like to get opinions from those possesing linux compatible notebooks 
without any driver problem. Further I would like to ask those possessing 
intel centrino based notebooks their usability in linux for wireless 
connection. Mine will be general purpose using productivity apps and also 
video and audio playing from cds and dvds in addition to internet oriented 
jobs.
 

I have just just gotten a Dell Inspiron 5150,
 

3.06gig  Mobile Pention 4.
512MB DDR.
Geforce FX5200 go.
60 gig HDD.
TM1300 b/g wireless.
I have not loaded linux on it yet, was waiting for Mandrake 9.2
however I did start the machine with knoppix and it all seemed to work fine.
Didn't try the wireless but some searching on the net shows it is 
possible to work, but you have to compile a module to do it. (no biggie).

When mdk9.2 comes out, I will be documenting all the steps I took to get 
it working and link it on the Twiki.

hope that helps.

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Re: [newbie] New to the list

[Franki]

Margot wrote:

Aaron West wrote:

Hey gang,

I'm new to this list and wanted to ask a few questions.
I'm planning on trashing my Windows2000 machine in favor of a dual 
boot Windows2000 / Mandrake 9.1 system.  My idea is
to have the Linux box become my main desktop system. The current hard 
drive I use with Windows is a bit small at 15GB.  I am in the market 
for a higher capacity drive - anything from 80GB up - and wanted to 
get some advice before I buy anything. Are there any drives I should 
stay away from or is just getting any IDE drive (like a Maxtor 
DiamondMax Plus 7200rpm IDE) going to work.  I'd like to get the new 
hard drive in, install 9.1 on it, and then hook up my current 15GB 
drive as a slave for possibly holding all my music data.

This sound fine?  Also, is there a list of supported peripherals for 
9.1 anywhere?  I'd like to check my current
system setup (network card, router, video card, sound card)
etc.. to make sure they are supported.

Thanks all,

---
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Hi Aaron,

Greg has already directed you to the TWiki pages for the hardware. As 
for software, as you haven't already installed 9.1 I suggest you wait 
a couple of weeks and get 9.2 instead - best to have the most recent 
version available.

Good luck!

Margot

FRANKI:
Also, I would add that for the hard drive, as long as you avoid Western 
Digital drives, you should be fine with any of them, in fact many people 
use WD drives here with no issues, but better safe then sorry.
Maxtor are probably the best drives around nowdays, so they should be a 
good choice.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] SCP software

[Franki]

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:37 pm, Ronan O'Hart wrote:
 

Hi there

Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.

Thanks
   

It's likely that none of us know SCP.  What is it?

Anne
 

SCP is secure copy, its part of ssh and it enables the copy of files 
over an ssh connection, similiar to sftp.

I don't know if this Ronan means windows SCP or linux SCP, but since 
WinSCP is a windows app, I'll answer both.

The only free scp/ssh/sftp apps I know of for windows are:

Windows:
Putty. (command line)
Terra Term Pro, (with the ttssh.exe plugin) is a telnet style ssh 
connection.
iXplorer, a delpi GUI frontend to putty. (looks like an FTP client.)
WinSCP. (looks like an FTP client.)

Liux
GFTP
(There are others, but I don't use the GUI much, so can't comment much 
here.)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] squirrelmail on 8.2

[Franki]

yankl wrote:

Hi all y'all

Until several days ago I was running a squirrelmail on my 8.2 server. After 
update I lost it. It look like it was un-installed. I tried to load latest 
package but it dose not work. Question is does someone on the list running 
squirrelmail on vanilla 8.2 install and what is the version of the package 
(i.e. 1.2.x)? 

Check out my web page TechTv is in town and I took pictures with Leo and 
Patrick. 

 



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Franki:

Since 8.2 is not supported anymore, I'd suggest you update..

As for the squirellmail thiung,, why use an RPM?? its just a bunch of 
php scripts with a perl config.

I downloaded the latest tarball from the sqm site and untarred it, 
dumped the lot into a webmail dir in my webroot. ran the perl config 
script, answered the questions, and selected save.

Then I tightened permissiones as per the install instructions, and 
pointed my browser at it.. worked off the bat.

I had no experiance with either imap (always used pop3 or secure pop3) 
or sqm.. and I had it up and running in less then 20 minutes..

If I can do it, anyone can.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Using K3B making an ISO

[Franki]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:47, Heather/Femme wrote:

Hi

Trying to make an ISO with K3B...

its not working though...I tell it to burn the image (ISO) to K3B's temp
dir...and the dir isn't full but it just sits there..no cd activity or
anything...
I looked in the manual..which doesn't exist btw... and nothing.

Don't know what to really google for either...

um  I be a stoned out puppy so don't hurt Me too much...k?  Ty

Oh  Franki, I'm burning this for you..soits in your best interests to
help me :D
Ceiling Art,
Femme
   

Franki:

How about:
mkisofs -o cdrom.iso /mnt/cdrom
that should do the trick.


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Re: [newbie] Using K3B making an ISO

[Franki]

Heather/Femme wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:41:26 +0800
Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

mkisofs -o cdrom.iso /mnt/cdrom



ty.  That works very well  How do I tell it where to create teh ISO
File?
IE I want it to be put into ~/distros.  hwo may I specify this?

Green Skinned Femme

*green=nauseous as all get out from the drugs. sigh*

 

FRANKI:

To be honest, I can't be entirely sure, I've never specified a dir..

I'd say its very possible that :

mkisofs -o /home/heatheri/distros/cdrom.iso /mnt/cdrom

Would be a good place to start..

There are a heap of options for mkisofs to change the format of the iso, so you might 
want to look at the man page..
But I suspect you don't really need to for the CD you are copying, since its old and I 
don't think it contains long filenames etc...
rgds

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Re: [newbie] Parking messages in KMail

[Franki]

Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:

At 04:40 AM 9/26/2003, Franki said something remarkably like (but 
somehow subtly different from):

What are the top three GUI mail clients in Linux, do you all reckon?

Franki:

I'd guess:
Kmail
Evolution
Mozilla Mail
Many like Sylpheed as well, but I'd guess the three above would be 
used by the majority.


Do you know if any of them do a good job with multiple accounts, 
keeping them separate?

I have been using Eudora for Windows, which I really like. It keeps 
track of each account as a separate personality, and if I reply to a 
message it knows which personality received the message, and uses 
the appropriate return address, signature, etc. I'd like to be able to 
do that in Linux, if possible.

Franki:

I am writing this on Mozilla Thunderbird, and it appears to do all that 
you want, in the accounts section, each account has its own copy of all 
the settings, so it would appear that moz mail does what you need.
The version I have has a couple of odd bug, but nothing major.
One problem I have noticed, is that because I have it setup to leave 
messages on the server, it occasionally downloads old messages more then 
once.. which is annoying but no showstopper.

Its been a while, but I am pretty sure that evolution has per account 
settings also.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[Franki]

Lee Wiggers wrote:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 +
Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:

snip
   

Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list
it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie
or two, but sooner or later it all comes here.
Lee
 

Auusies aren't so bad.  They're just misplaced
Newfoundlanders who are deprived of winter, cod cheeks and
icebergs. :-)
ttfn

John
   

/snip

How come they export their pretty girls to my place, then ???

Kaj Haulrich
Denmark.
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I heard they had a choice..Pretty girls or sheep.

Or was that NZ?

Lee

 

FRANKI:

That was NZ

And they were not the pretty ones, we send only the scrags overseas :-)

The pretty ones we keep for ourselves.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Franki]

Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 

I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
afternoon.
But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
gesture addiction personnaly.
Lee
   

Never tried it, but there is a plugin for Mozilla thats supposed to add this.

Can't remember the name of it though, sorry!

 

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RE: [newbie] Lightweight DNS server.

[Franki]

Thanks dude,

I think I have it sussed though, I have some P pro200 machines here as well
if I need them, but I don't think it's likely.

besides, the shipping would probably be too expensive, I'm an aussie
remember?  :-)


rgds

Franki

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir
Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Lightweight DNS server.


On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 11:22, Frankie wrote:


 I had hoped for something like FreeSCO designed for DNS..
 I have used freeSCO in the past to great effect, but not for
anything like
 a DNS server..
 (I used it as a dialup router between two remote networks.)

 I'll look into MNF again, I think I even have the ISO burned somewhere
 around here..

 I didnt' get any email about hardware from you LX, or I missed it in the
 1500 emails a day I get.

OK, well it looks like you are getting this stuff here from Newbie, so
basically what I said was that if you have hardware needs for your new
list I've got some stuff here in the shop that might be handy.  I've got
200 mhz Pentium I's on up, several dual processor boards that will
accept up to 233 mhz Pentium I's.


 (If it has [newbie] in the subject, it ended up somewhere in the linux
 folder.. so can you please send it again ??

 rgds

 Franki

 __

Also, from the MandrakeSecurity Multi Network Firewall(MNF) page ---

http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/mnf/features


Check it out, it looks like it has what you were talking about.

---

MandrakeSecurity Multi Network Firewall provides the following features:

Easy and powerful configuration tools--

Configuration and management is performed through a secure Web Interface

Monitoring tools display detailed information about network  system
activity

Detailed reports on intrusion detection, DHCP and Proxy usage

Supported Internet connections include modem, DSL, ISDN, Cable, T1,...

Specialized feature to allow Internet access only during specified hours

Dial-on-demand provides a hassle-free way to share a dial-up connection

-   Strong Firewall  -
Netfilter/IPtables is the firewalling subsystem which offers stateful
inspection and secure kernel 2.4

Snort and Prelude Intrusion Detection Systems issue alerts during
network attacks and take action against hostile intruders

DMZ (de-militarized zone) wizard for easily configuring several DMZs

VPN (Virtual Private Network), based on the FreeS/wan project, provides
the ability to secure all data transfer

Shorewall is a powerful hardening firewall system for configuring
access rules such as source IP address, destination IP address and IP
protocol type

NAT (Network Access Translation) permits many hosts to share a single
Internet IP address at the same time

Firewall updates available

--   Complete proxy server solution   -

Full-featured and easily configured Proxy (transparent, manual  manual
with user authentication through LDAP  Samba protocol)

URL/Content filtering offers a powerful solution for advertising banner
and specific Internet site filtering

Web surfing time restriction

Create filtering rules to control information flow through a company
network

Cache only DNS

DHCP server




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RE: [newbie] VNC and 2 cards

[Franki]

couldn't you just use the firewall to block the port on the interface/card
you don't want it on???

rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Meyer
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 6:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] VNC and 2 cards


On Sunday 09 March 2003 05:27 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote:
 I have vnc server installed in a box with 2 NIC cards: one for the
 Internet and one for the LAN.

 Is there any way to tell vnc to answer only to one of the card and not
 to the other?

 TIA

vnc is pretty insecure, so I doubt it.  The best way I can think of is to
have
iptables configured properly and even if vncserver is listening on the
public
port, no one would be able to tell.


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RE: [newbie] Port Forwarding In 9.0

[Franki]

gShield for a more comprehensive but user friendly answer..

same site actually.

rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 7:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Port Forwarding In 9.0


Google gforward.pl for a simple solution :-)

Miark



On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:19:47 -0800
Jesse \G-Tez\ Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey everyone -

 I was wondering if there is an easy and simple way of port forwarding in
9.0
 I am attempting to use ipmasqadm to forward port 4661 to a machine behind
my firewall using this command :

 /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm autofw -A -r tcp 4661 4661 -h 10.0.0.2

 However I get the following error :

 autofw: setsockopt failed: Protocol not available

 Is there an easy way around this without say a kernel recompile? (I've had
a lot of bad luck with kernel recompiles)

 Thanks everyone

 Jesse G-Tez Houston
 Softimage XSI 201 Certified Instructor
 Phone: +1 604 657 5949
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RE: [newbie] Twin head--but not

[Franki]

I think mandrake gives the same message if card supports two monitors, or pc
has two cards..

rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 5:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Twin head--but not


On Tuesday 04 Mar 2003 8:42 pm, Miark wrote:
 When I install Mandrake (any release) I choose the video card it selects
 (SiS 5597) and then I get a message that says, Your system supports
 multiple head configuration. What do you want to do? And it gives me the
 following choices:

 Configure only card Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]|5597 [SiS5582]
 (PCI:0:0:0) Configure only card Silicon Integrated Systems
[SiS]|5597/5598
 VGA (PCI:0:20:0)

 There's only one card in there, and there's only one VGA port on the card,
 but either choice works.

 This isn't a problem, but I'm curious as to what's going on.

 Miark
 I may be wrong here, but doesn't twin head refer to running 2 monitors
from
the one card. AFAIK the GeForce Ti range have this capability but I've never
looked into it yet.
Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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RE: [newbie] ARTICLE: Civilme is POPULAR! Yeesh! (grin)

[Franki]

yep.. I can testify to that.. I live in perth western Australia..

and I have driven all over it.. its BIG.

rgds

Franki...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 8:44 PM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: RE: [newbie] ARTICLE: Civilme is POPULAR! Yeesh! (grin)


On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 13:46, Robert Wideman wrote:
  Hush, rob, or we'll cut Alaska in two and make Texas the third 
  largest state.
 
 LOLso true.  Its weird that Alaska is double the size of Texas.
 
 Rob

The Australian state of Western Australia is bigger yet. We got a
country is is roughly the same size as the continental US and have only
six states.

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RE: [newbie] connection sharing using static ip

[Franki]

yes you can...

My suggestion to you, is to use google to find the home page of gShield

download the latest compressed version..

untar it into /etc and call the directory firewall.

and read the file gshield.conf

its all in english.. its all easy and they give you the possible answers so
you can just choose one..

Then just run it... /etc/firewall/gShield.rc

Thats it, you firewall and connection sharing using static IP. (or dhcp if
that is your choise) is done...

It does a ton of other stuff too.. but you don't need to know about that if
you are not interested...


rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson
Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 5:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] connection sharing using static ip


On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 9:09 am, fifner the dragon wrote:
 Before I start blocking the 2000 I want to start sharing the connection
 using static ip. When I run the wizard it automaticly configures the
 sharing to use dhcp. This makes the old static ip disappear. When I use
 dhcp on the win machine I can connect to the internet, but I can no longer
 ping the old ip of the linux machine.

 Can you have some machines connect using dhcp and some machines connecting
 using static ip to the same linux-box through the same nic?

Don't see why not

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RE: [newbie] If I have to have MSIE...

[Franki]

doesn't codeweavers wine run IE ok


rgds

Franki

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Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 12:03 AM
To: Newbie list
Subject: [newbie] If I have to have MSIE...


I have to have MSIE. I don't like the browser, but I do a little web
design and I need to have MSIE handy (and multiple versions, no less) to
test my work in -- as I learned the hard way last week. :-(  Given that
Bill's Bad Browser isn't and will probably never be available for Linux,
how have others on this list with the same need handled this?

Ideally I'd buy VMWare, but economically that's not an option right now.
Which leaves me with setting up multiple Windows partitions (one for
each version of MSIE I need) and reboot every time I want to test my
work, or run multiple versions of MSIE in an emulator. Thoughts?
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RE: [newbie] Aargh: Internet Explorer HTTPS = DNS fail

[Franki]

There is an option in IE under advanced to set all default... try that..

Also set it for default security...

Try it again..

then try pinging the address you are having a problem with..

then try turning off his proxy server if one is set.

Then try setting up another Inet connection on the machine, see if the
problem still exists...


Just some stuff to try..


rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 5:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Aargh: Internet Explorer HTTPS = DNS fail


On Wednesday 12 Feb 2003 9:46 am, Michael Adams wrote:
 Does somebody recognize a strange error a friend is having while making
 HTTPS attempts to connect to his bank with IE (Never thought i'd be asking
 this one here). IE returns an Error Page with no number (like 404)

 The page advises it could be caused by
 - site temporarily unavailable
 - slow connection
 - incorrect address
 - site doesn't exist
 (Sounds 404ish doesn't it)

 He was previously connecting OK to this site. It does still exist. All
 Security settings are checked on in Tools  Internet Options  Advanced
tab
  Security (SSL 2.0, SSL 3.0, TLS 1.0, PCT 1.0).

 I did see a momentary request for http://https://web.site.name, Which
 may be the problem, or it may be an attempt to re-lookup after the initial
 failure.

 My second course of action is to reload win98 for him as neither the bank
 nor his ISP could help. Loading Mandrake for him is not an option as he is
 on a course which requires Word and Outlook Express (AAARGH again).

Just a suggestion - load Mozilla for windows for him.  It would tell you
whether the problem was IE specific, or something more general.

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RE: [newbie] IRC server for Mandrake..

[Franki]

Thanks guys..

much appreciated...


I have already started compiling unrealircd (its been going for 20
minutes)... but if its a pain in the @ss, then I'll try the mandrake one..


thanks again..


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme
Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 12:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] IRC server for Mandrake..


On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:16 am, Franki wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I want to setup our own IRC server for use between myself and my work
 collegues..

 Does Mandrake come with any IRC server RPM's???

 I am currently looking at unrealIRCD, but I'd rather just install a
 mandrake RPM...


 Anyone know of one??


 rgds

 Franki


ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/RPMS

File: ircd-2.10.3-9mdk.i586.rpm

It works.  the services component could stll be several different programs
if
you plan to use chanserv and nickserv and messageserv.

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RE: [newbie] IRC server for Mandrake..

[Franki]

I have used dancer and epona and neither were that long a compilation.

Civileme



This is a 233mmx 128MB machine that i use as a net gateway for my home
network...

If I put it on my XP2200 system, I imagine it'd be alot faster...

From what I can tell, unrealircd is a very comprehensive ircd written in
what looks to be C...

Its so comprehensive that I can't find the config file :-)


This is why I prefer rpms... I can always find out where everything got put
without reading code.

I used to be a longtime IRC user.. was a big fan of pirch.. but haven't used
it in years and never setup a server before..

I'd like to be able to use DCC, and the very basic irc facilities.. since
its only for work I don't need any of the extra's, but I'd like to learn.
(if they piss me off, I'll just use gShield to blacklist their IP address
:-)

I have root, why do I need moderator facilities etc...  :-)


rgds

Franki









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RE: [newbie] IRC server for Mandrake..

[Franki]

Probably, but this way they will be left wondering what happened...

I can claim there is some server problem.. :-)


rgds

Franki


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jerry Barton
Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 2:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] IRC server for Mandrake..


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:04:31 +0800
Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I have used dancer and epona and neither were that long a compilation.
 
 Civileme



 This is a 233mmx 128MB machine that i use as a net gateway for my home
 network...

 If I put it on my XP2200 system, I imagine it'd be alot faster...

 From what I can tell, unrealircd is a very comprehensive ircd written in
 what looks to be C...

 Its so comprehensive that I can't find the config file :-)


 This is why I prefer rpms... I can always find out where everything got
put
 without reading code.

 I used to be a longtime IRC user.. was a big fan of pirch.. but haven't
used
 it in years and never setup a server before..

 I'd like to be able to use DCC, and the very basic irc facilities.. since
 its only for work I don't need any of the extra's, but I'd like to learn.
 (if they piss me off, I'll just use gShield to blacklist their IP address
 :-)

 I have root, why do I need moderator facilities etc...  :-)


 rgds

 Franki



LOL

seems like it'd be easier to just k-line 'em =)~
Jerry


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[newbie] loadmodule command

[Franki]

Hi guys

I am trying to seup unrealircd on my mandrake9.0 box..

It all configures correctly, then I configured it and thats good it..


when I try to start it, it tells me I havn't loaded any modules..

According to the docs, I am supposed to do the following:

   loadmodule src/modules/commands.so;
   loadmodule src/modules/scan.so;
   loadmodule src/modules/scan_socks.so;

I have no loadmodule command so I can't get past this error...


Anyone know where I get that from??  locate loadmodule gets me nothing...


tips??


rgds

franki


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RE: [newbie] SAMBA help?

[Franki]

have you used MandrakeUpdate before???

I think there was an updated webmin released..

Start MandrakeUpdate (again from su console) and upgrade your packages...
(mostly kernel and rpm packages and stuff.. )

(also if you have not used Mandrake Update before, it will prompt for a
updates site and you can choose an update site from the list.)

after you have updated some stuff, go and try urpmi webmin again...

It will go to the update site and get the latest version.


rgds

Franki

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 1:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SAMBA help?


Upon su-ing and entering urpmi webmin I get the
following errors...

1) unable to take medium Updates for Mandrake Linux
0.9(ftp1u) into account as no list file
[/var/lib/urpmi/list.Updates for Mandrake Linux 9.0
(ftp1u)] exists to satisfy dependencies, the following
packages are goint to be installed (36 MB):

 lsof-4.64-1mdk.i586
 perl-5.8.0-13mdk.i586
 perl-Authen-PAM-0.13.3mdk.i586
 perl-CGI-2.810-3mdk.noarch
 perl-Net_SSLeay-1.18-3mdk.i586
 webmin-0.990-6mdk.noarch

Is this OK? (Y/n) [I entered Y - and entered my
Install CD 1...]

2) unable to install package
/var/cache/urpmi/rmps/webmin-0.990mdk.noarch.rpm

I waited for the install to finish, then I tried the
rpm -q webmin again.  It still states package webmin
is not installed

Do I need to download the Webmin .rpm?

Thanks for all of the help,
PM

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Kaj Haulrich wrote:


 On Tuesday 11 February 2003 04:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I don't think I have Samba services or Webmin
  installed.  I'll run through the re-install and make
  sure they are enabled...
 
  Thx,
  PM
 
  Patrick Miller
 
  I'd rather be upside down in my kayak than right
side
  up at my desk
  - bumper sticker, 72 Volvo

 Wait a minute, info. - You don't have to re-install
 anything.

 To find out if you have webmin installed, open a
 console
 and type *rpm -q webmin*. Likewise with samba.

 If you don't have them, become root (su in a console)
 and
 just issue the command : *urpmi webmin*. Likewise
with
 samba.

 This re-install-thing is a hangover from you
 windows-days.
 In linux you can install most everything without
 rebooting.

 HTH
 Kaj Haulrich.
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RE: [newbie] SAMBA help?

[Franki]

Where did you get the webmin rpm from??

its looking in the wrong place for smb.conf

it should be looking in /etc/samba/smb.conf

did you install samba from your mandrake disks or did you get it
elsewhere???

you have two choices:

1. edit the config files for webmin in /etc/webmin
2. uninstall the rpm you used and install the mandrake rpm.

actually, there is a third option, it may be that you can go into webmin in
the config screen and choose mandrake 9 as the OS.. if it is on the list
that should fix your problem.


regards

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 2:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SAMBA help?


OK...

I have downloaded the most recent .rpm from
www.webmin.com and installed it.  I can connect to
https://localhost:1 as root.  Now when I choose the
Servers area and go to the Samba Share Manager, it
gives me the following error...

The configuration file /etc/smb.conf was not found.
Most likely Samba is not installed on your system, or
your module configuration is incorrect.

What now?
PM

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Kaj Haulrich wrote:


 On Tuesday 11 February 2003 04:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I don't think I have Samba services or Webmin
  installed.  I'll run through the re-install and make
  sure they are enabled...
 
  Thx,
  PM
 
  Patrick Miller
 
  I'd rather be upside down in my kayak than right
side
  up at my desk
  - bumper sticker, 72 Volvo

 Wait a minute, info. - You don't have to re-install
 anything.

 To find out if you have webmin installed, open a
 console
 and type *rpm -q webmin*. Likewise with samba.

 If you don't have them, become root (su in a console)
 and
 just issue the command : *urpmi webmin*. Likewise
with
 samba.

 This re-install-thing is a hangover from you
 windows-days.
 In linux you can install most everything without
 rebooting.

 HTH
 Kaj Haulrich.
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RE: [newbie] SAMBA help?

[Franki]

Its in mandrake control center...

You can start mandrake control center by opening an su console and typing:
mcc

or you can just open mandrake update by typing:
MandrakeUpdate

(notice the caps, they are important.)


rgds

frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 2:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] SAMBA help?


I've never used Mandrake Update before...  what is the
command, or where is it in the GUI?

Thx,
PM

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Franki wrote:


 have you used MandrakeUpdate before???

 I think there was an updated webmin released..

 Start MandrakeUpdate (again from su console) and
 upgrade your packages...
 (mostly kernel and rpm packages and stuff.. )

 (also if you have not used Mandrake Update before, it
 will prompt for a
 updates site and you can choose an update site from
the
 list.)

 after you have updated some stuff, go and try urpmi
 webmin again...

 It will go to the update site and get the latest
 version.


 rgds

 Franki

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 1:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] SAMBA help?


 Upon su-ing and entering urpmi webmin I get the
 following errors...

 1) unable to take medium Updates for Mandrake Linux
 0.9(ftp1u) into account as no list file
 [/var/lib/urpmi/list.Updates for Mandrake Linux 9.0
 (ftp1u)] exists to satisfy dependencies, the following
 packages are goint to be installed (36 MB):

  lsof-4.64-1mdk.i586
  perl-5.8.0-13mdk.i586
  perl-Authen-PAM-0.13.3mdk.i586
  perl-CGI-2.810-3mdk.noarch
  perl-Net_SSLeay-1.18-3mdk.i586
  webmin-0.990-6mdk.noarch

 Is this OK? (Y/n) [I entered Y - and entered my
 Install CD 1...]

 2) unable to install package
 /var/cache/urpmi/rmps/webmin-0.990mdk.noarch.rpm

 I waited for the install to finish, then I tried the
 rpm -q webmin again.  It still states package
webmin
 is not installed

 Do I need to download the Webmin .rpm?

 Thanks for all of the help,
 PM

 On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

 
  On Tuesday 11 February 2003 04:06 pm,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   I don't think I have Samba services or Webmin
   installed.  I'll run through the re-install and
make
   sure they are enabled...
  
   Thx,
   PM
  
   Patrick Miller
  
   I'd rather be upside down in my kayak than right
 side
   up at my desk
   - bumper sticker, 72 Volvo
 
  Wait a minute, info. - You don't have to re-install
  anything.
 
  To find out if you have webmin installed, open a
  console
  and type *rpm -q webmin*. Likewise with samba.
 
  If you don't have them, become root (su in a
console)
  and
  just issue the command : *urpmi webmin*. Likewise
 with
  samba.
 
  This re-install-thing is a hangover from you
  windows-days.
  In linux you can install most everything without
  rebooting.
 
  HTH
  Kaj Haulrich.
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Mandrake
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RE: [newbie] SAMBA help?

[Franki]

have you created samba users to match the win2000 login???

in your console screen (terminal su to root) try this..

smbpasswd -a franki


it will prompt for a password and create a new samba user..

you should be able to get in now...


rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 3:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SAMBA help?


I have Samba running, and I can actually get a
user/password prompt when I attempt to map the share
from my Win2K box.  When I enter my credentials, I get
nowhwere...

Any suggestions?
PM

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Kaj Haulrich wrote:


 On Tuesday 11 February 2003 06:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I've never used Mandrake Update before...  what is
the
  command, or where is it in the GUI?
 
  Thx,
  PM
 
 Mandrake update : K -- Configuration -- Mandrake
 Update.

 However, I think your problem is your sources ( the
 places
 to get rpm's from). To that end, try *Software
Sources
 Manager* first. It's in the same menu.

 Or, if that doesn't solve the rpm-issues, I'll try
 something I never did before : attach a file to this
 post.

 It's a script, which means a series of shell-commands.
 I use it to update my sources. Try it as follows :

 1. save the attached scrip (Updatescript) in your
home
 directory.

 2. Open a terminal-window and su to root.

 3. In your home directory, issue the command :
*./Updatescript* (without the quotes, remember the
 ./).

 4. Watch patiently as the messages scroll by. Have a
 beer
 or something.

 5. Now, issue the command (still as root) *urpmi
 webmin*.

 That should give you the latest and greatest,
including
 dependencies.

 HTH

 Kaj Haulrich.

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RE: [newbie] quick and dirty local mail server

[Franki]

Mandrake set postfix up on mdk9 to run in a chroot jail...

have a look in /var/spool/postfix/etc

the files in there should match those in your /etc

also look in /var/spool/postfix/lib

There should be nine lib files in there... *.so

There should also be sevem symlinks to other libs.  *.so.2

Sometimes the install fails and you have to remove and reinstall postfix to
get it all sorted..

I know I had to do this when I started with mdk9.0


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Parish
Sent: Monday, 10 February 2003 8:47 PM
To: newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] quick and dirty local mail server


On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 21:36, Brian Parish wrote:
 I need to set up a mail server based on Mdk 9.0 tomorrow to serve local
 mail only.  i.e. Just to be a pop server for W$ client machines on the
 LAN.  No relaying outside the network.

 I have approx. zero time to do this.  Can anyone offer the simplest way
 or point me at the appropriate URL?

 TIA
 Brian

OK - bad form to reply to your own posts, but I think I've made it part way.
I've installed postfix and it's running with default settings.
I've installed the imap rpm and can see in webmin that the pop3 server is
enabled within the xinetd thingy.

So now I can check for new messages and presumably if there were some, I
would
get them.  If I try to send to the server using smtp however, I get
connection
refused on port 25.  The firewall shouldn't be implicated as this is coming
from
the trusted interface, but I opened port 25 just on case.  No change.

I assume that postfix is providing the smtp server functionality, so maybe I
haven't switched on what needs to the switched on there?

As always, all input gratefully received.

TIA
Brian





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[newbie] refreshing rpm database with installed packages.. DB is currently missing all installed packages.

[Franki]

Hi guys,

I still have a web/MySQL server that has practically nothing in the rpm
database... even though there are a ton of packages..

rpm -qa |grep kernel

gives no response...


Is there a way to get the rpm db populated with the installed packages so
that MandrakeUpdate will register some packages??


Any help, thoughts, flames etc



rgds

Franki



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RE: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt Pine email clients

[Franki]

when your caps don't work.. here is the workaround...

flame caps='1'

flame message here.

/flame


:-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale
Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 8:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT(?) Mutt  Pine email clients


At 01:03 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, FemmeFatale wrote:


Hm... went to see both Pines  Mutts web sites.  Wondered ppl's opinions
on both  which is more newbie friendly.
Basically I want to learn either one (whichever is easier for now) just
so that again I can use an email client on any system anywhere to
retrieve mail.  Plus I'm curious to see how a text based client handles
things.  :)
Ya theres a trend here... its called Learn things on the CLI  bang your
head against a wall for a while till you know this stuff cold.  And you
can do this anywhere/anytime on any system. :)
Heh same question in the vein of the emacs/vi post.  Sorry if ppl feel
like i'm wasting bandwith but I have done some research on this  I am
not entirely clear on which one would suit better to learn on.  Besides,
learning is fun!  Or so I'm told... :D

pine, baby, pine - it's just cooler. ;-

good luck with the command line thing - and while youre at it, you might
want to pick up a book that was a tremendous help for me when i was doing
the same thing - linux system commands, by volkerding and reichard. lists
commands in three categorys - what they do, what their dos equivalent is,
and what section of the book they're described in depth in. it's never out
of arms reach for me when i'm on the pc.

please pardon the lack of caps - i installed 9.1b3 today, and it
apparently came without caps. ;-/

--

peace,

Rog

Rofl @ Rog!  No caps huh?  Hm... might make flaming a bit tougher to do...
but i'm sure you'll manage. :)

Thx... I am leaning to Mutt atm only cause it looks somewhat simpler  more
configurable.  I figured I'd ask this anyway cause ... well.. why
not?  Worst thing that will happen is I'll get a million ppl posting things
like:  Are you trying to level your own country!?  We did that in teh
Crusades to Europe  the Mid-East!!!  Why repeat history!? :)
-
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We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
character from Peanuts.

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[newbie] relearning installed packaves..

[Franki]

Hi all,

on one of my boxes.. I had an rpm problem that could not be fixed
with --rebuilddb

I had to do --initdb then --rebuilddb to get it functional again..

unfortunately it has forgotten most of my installed packages and as such,
MandrakeUpdate never offeres any updates and I can't make sure my packages
are up to date..

Is there any way to have rpm look for installed packages and list them??

Do I have to do a upgrade /install over the current version to get it
functional again? this is a web/mysql server, so it needs to be up to date..

Its running a digital cert and everything, so I don't want to start from
scratch if I can avoid it.. but by the same token I can't allow it to fall
behind on patches.. if it gets hacked.. I will not get the opportuntity to
instal more linux boxs at work.


any ideas guys???


rgds

Frank



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RE: [newbie] OT?, help convince my b/f running as root is bad!

[Franki]

Everyone keeps talking about the security...

what about the chance that he will accidently wipe his hard drive, and if
yours is a mounted directory he has write access to, some of yours as
well???

(back to security.)
how about when someone writes a virus that actually works well for linux??

he will trash his whole system, you will most likely just trash your users
files...

If none of that convinces him, then tell him to take the seatbelts and doors
off his car and go hooning at 100mph... he would probably do it...

An extra note.

Root on a unix box was added for security purposes, not admin purposes... if
it was for admin, any authed user could do it...
They wanted to limit the damage normal users could do.

Root/admin on a windows box was added as an after thought.. (copied (badly)
from unix I suspect.) and its as much a tool to deligate admin tasks as it
is a security precaution.. after all, in one of Microshafts latest OS's  all
users are root..

The solution???

block his PC from yours in your firewall rules.. and put his IP in
/etc/hosts.deny  (with ALL: in front of it)  :-)


rgds

Franki



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2003 12:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT?, help convince my b/f running as root is bad!


At 02:58 AM 2/3/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Hi.

Snipped irrelevant entries  redundant stuffs
Another point regarding his ignorance regarding security is: If he has
to access your computer (file sharing, login, whatever...), consider
his computer untrusted (i.e. owned by some script kiddie) and apply
appropriate (tight) access restrictions accordingly.

Make him use different passwords for your computer, if he has an
account for it (because the password for his computer has to be
considered to be already logged by some script kiddie). And so on.

In other words: imply his machine as untrusted as you would if it
operated by some malicious stranger - because maybe it is, and he
doesn't seem to care enough.

Bye,

 Benjamin.




Heh, thx Benjamin.  On the bright side we've got a router up 
running.  I'll work on him  hopefully get him to see the error of his
way.  Tho that is hard to do cause I run as Admin on 2k.  Mostly b/c 2k
doesn't handle multi-users very well IMO.  *sigh*

Fwiw, when he first came to live here, I told him I'm going to do my utmost
to secure our LAN.  And that I wouldn't allow him to compromise it if at
all possible.  With luck I can use that argument again  with yours in
there too, it may sway him. :)

Thx luv
-
FemmeFatale

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We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
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RE: [newbie] more Evolution weirdness

[Franki]

When you tell evolution to use secure when sending.,,, it will try to
connect to port 995 on the server...

If that port is not open on the mail server, then the message will not
send..

Nothing strange about that.. I't can't send to a mail server that isn't
accepting connections on the port you have set.

rgds


Frank

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale
Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 12:13 PM
To: newbie
Subject: [newbie] more Evolution weirdness




Forget the sig problem with Evo.  Thats just a fancy thing I want to use. :)

K stock install of Evolution, no patches (that i know of) were applied to
it.  The other day I was fiddling with it for over 2 hours.  Mostly setting
it up the way I wished.  At one point I was playing with the smtp/pop
options for Security on email checking (or something similarly worded)
tab in the Tools/Mail Preferences section.

What I was doing was seeing if my ISP used any sort of security checks
other than a password to retrieve/send email when contacting their Mail
server.  (God I hope thats worded right... stupid demerol.)

Anyway, long story short here, I had an open test email.  It was to be
sent to myself on one of my isp's accts.  Nothing strange about
that.  However, when I fiddled with ANY settings to do with security or if
I changed HOW I wanted/tried to get the security to work, the email just
wouldn't send.  Period.  This occurred more than once.

So for example, if on that tab I had checked on Password needed as an
option and then added Say... Mail uses SSL while the email was still
open, it won't send.  If I revert it to the setting I *know* works properly
(namely only having my password checked, nothing else) with that email
Still open it still will NOT send!

For fun I even tried just re-entering everything on that tab that I knew
worked (I tried the same settings with a diff mail program first to verify
they worked), if the email was left open, it won't send.  I have to close
that draft/test email (I didn't shutdown Evo just to be clear), then open a
new email/draft for it to work.

Now is that normal for Evo?  Or is this a weird bug I just found?  Someone
test this you'll see what I mean.  I initially told Charlie about this, he
said it was odd too  may play with Evo to see what the hells going on.

Thoughts?

-
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RE: [newbie] PPPoE-client for Linux

[Franki]

with pppoe, DON'T use the Mandrake tool, it makes to many assumptions about
your network settings.. in my case a good many of those assumptions were
incorrect...

install rp-pppoe, then open an console and type:

adsl-setup

answer the questions and thats it.. you are all set.

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson
Sent: Friday, 31 January 2003 6:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] PPPoE-client for Linux


On Thursday 30 Jan 2003 10:17 pm, Anders Lind wrote:
  PPPoE is basically already built into the system, else you can use the
  PPPoE client from say, Roaring Penguin (RPM based so no thinking
  required)  - I personally would try to stay within the actual parameters
  of the operating system - I tend to stick with what's already built into
  the networking before finding an alternative, but everyone likes their
  tea a different way!

 I should have a look at it

I changed from modem to adsl just before I changed to 9.0.  It was such a
no-brainer with standard Mdk tools that I can hardly remember doing anything
- and I certainly couldn't be called experienced.  9.0 detected it
automatically, so I didn't need to do anything as far as I can remember.

Anne
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RE: [newbie] Creating Installing SSL key for HTTPD

[Franki]

if you encrypted the domain server key when you created it..

then you have to enter the passphrase when you see starting httpd at
boot..

or you can write a shell script to enter it for you and add it to ssl.conf
but that kind of ruins the point of encrypting it in the first place if you
leave a
file containing the password on the system.

rgds

Franki

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Slater-Walker
Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2003 4:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Creating  Installing SSL key for HTTPD


I did the same process a while ago and it worked for
me. Only I'm at work right now and I can't access the
details of what I did, because they are on my machine
at home... however, keep reading:

It may be that after Starting httpd: apache is
expecting a passphrase for the SSL certificate. You
can then enter that directly yourself or there is a
conf command which can run a script to input the
passphrase (which, again, I can't remember exact
details of.)

When I get home I'll remid myself of how to do it.

Chris Slater-Walker

--- Tim Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, I found where the other keys are kept:

 /etc/ssl/apache

 I moved my keys into their places, but that doesn't
 work.  It just sits
 and hangs at Starting httpd:

 Is there something I'm missing, or should I bould
 mod_ssl and apache
 from source to fix this?  Any ideas?
 tdh

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 |  UIN:  17021091



 | I've been trying to create a proper SSL key for
 https instead of the
 | test one that's put in place during the install.
 I found some mod_ssl
 | docs in
 /var/www/html/addon-modules/mod_ssl-2.8.10, but
 something's not
 | quite jiving.
 |
 | If you check out
 |

/var/www/html/addon-modules/mod_ssl-2.8.10/ssl_faq.html
 it tells after
 | you've created your new key, to edit your
 httpd.conf
 | (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf and add the following
 lines:
 |
 |SSLCertificateFile /path/to/SSL_key.crt
 |SSLCertificateKeyFile /path/to/SSL_key.key
 |
 | I found this on some other docs I found online,
 but when I restart
 | HTTPD, there's a problem:
 |
 | Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 15 of
 httpd.conf:  Invalid command
 | 'SSLCertificateFile', perhaps mis-spelled or
 defined by a module not
 | included in the server configuration
 |
 | Are the docs just wrong?  Or was this not built
 into mod_ssl for
 | Mandrake Apache?
 |
 | SNIP

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RE: [newbie] CGI Not working after install

[Franki]

in one of the apache conf files  (in /etc/httpd/conf) there is a section
defining the cgi-bin, by default its set to:

Deny All,

you need to change that in order to get the scripts executing...

I had to when I setup my webserver.

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of gcobb
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 1:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] CGI Not working after install


There is a squid cgi script in the /cgi-bin dir from the installation.
I installed squirrelmail and it apparently needed to run a cgi script
too, but both told me I didn't have permission to run either file.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of robin
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:43 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] CGI Not working after install


 gcobb wrote:
  After the install, I tried running a few CGI programs from the web.
  They told me permissions were denied or I otherwise didn't
 have access
  to the cgi script in /var/www/cgi-bin/.  I changed the dir
 to the name
  Apache runs under and made the dir and everything under it
 executable.
  I looked out on the Apache site and wasn't able to make any
 progress.
  I use httpd.conf and commonhttpd.conf as a result of my install.  I
  compared them to docs I read and I can't see any reason why they
  aren't working.

 Are you talking about your own CGI programs you're running
 from your own
 server, or CGI programs in general?

 Sir Robin

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 picke quarrells.
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RE: [newbie] Playing LPs in Linux

[Franki]

old record players need something called a preamp to boost the signal
enough for an ordinary amp to pick it up...

its likely that you are missing one...

can you hear the record using headphones?? if so then the preamp is probably
inbuilt...


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vahur Lokk
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 4:51 PM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: [newbie] Playing LPs in Linux


Hello!
I happen to have a rather largish LP collection gathering dust for almost a
decade since the player broke.
Now I thought it would be cool to somehow digitize it all and acquired old
grammophone (is this the right word?). Connected it to my soundcard.

But nothing. No sound in speakers, no sound in files saved (K Sound Recorder
used). So where to look for mistakes? And what kind of software I actually
should use for my purposes?

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RE: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Franki]

I'd agree, except that some of them get killed from it..

they try to get you to come over to help get things moving and when you
get there
they put a gun to your head and make you withdraw every cent you have and
hand it over..

now I couldn't care less if they get suckered for all their cash, but even
greedy dumbass's shouldn't have to die from it..

I mean most places don't kill you for being a murderer, or a pedophile or
rapist etc,,, so being a greedy dumbass shouldn't involve a death sentence..

I report all the scam emails I get to the online repositories for such
things... and then i reply them with dummy smtp details and tell them to
f**k off and that they have been reported to their ISP /authorities etc...

since the return email and everything else is dummy, I don't get bothered by
replys, especially since not many of these wankers have the knowhow to track
me anyway...

but you are right, if they are so greedy, losing all their money is almost
suitable recompense..


rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson
Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 6:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest


On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:08 am, Roger Sherman wrote:
 On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote:
  I finally got it - the great Nigerian money-laundering scam email.  I
  haven't seen one of those since I got it by fax years ago, though I knew
  they were still around. :)
 
  Anne

 There was an article in the NY Post today about a Wisconsin businessman
 who got suckered to the tune of $200k by that. I say if he's that dumb, he
 doesn't deserve the money. ;-)

Hear, hear.  I object to public money being spent on investigating suckers
like this.  They have demonstrated that they are willing to break the laws
of
Nigeria and their own country if it satisfies their greed.  Let them live
with the consequences.

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RE: [newbie] Windows media player for netscape in mandrake

[Franki]

yeah, I'll second that..

Don't think this aussie has ever said crikey on his life...

here are some good Aussie alternatives..

1. Bloody hell!!!
2. F**k me drunk!
3. Holy Shit!
4. You bloody ripper!!! (depreciated).
5. * (Censored :-)


rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn
Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2003 8:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows media player for netscape in mandrake


On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 22:48, Brandon Vanderberg wrote:
 Content-Type: text/plain
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 03:20, Ralph Slooten wrote:
  On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:54:34 +0100
  Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 =20
   In reply to ivette's mail, d.d. Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:43:02 +0100:
  =20
   Is there an linux equivalent for Windows Media Player? I'm using
   latest=20
 
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/info.html
 
 We got QTs and WMV/WMA.
 New Mplayer v0.90rc2. Loaded it today and it works great. This pages
 shows all the new formats.
 
 Yeehaw!=20
 (that's Oi! for the Brits and Crikey! for the Aussies)=20
 ;)
 
 ~Brandon

Real Aussies don't say crikey anymore. Only Steve Irwin says crikey.
The rest of the Aussies usually say shit - or other extremely
explicative nouns and/or verbs. They're not shy about it, neither.

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RE: SV: SV: [newbie] OT - Star Trek Nemesis

[Franki]

well, I don't know if I prefer Voyager or TNG but I will say that on a perve
scale...

7of9 has yet to be topped.

nerd questionWonder what OS, the borg use to commumicate with the hive?
/nerd question

rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn
Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 7:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [newbie] OT - Star Trek Nemesis


On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 09:12, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 3:25 pm, Anders Lind wrote:
  Deanna Troi was fabulous.  And Will Riker grew on you.  Kinda like his
  beard.  Anyway, Deanna was great!  You can instantly tell what season
  you're watching by looking at her bust size.
 
  Anders Lind wrote:
 
  LOL, the woman is not even good looking IMO, anyway those shallowness
  aside, she is just boring IMO, no action or so and same with Riker, my
  favorites on TNG (Which I BTW think along with DS9 are the most boring
  ST's, I have not seen any Enterprise though) are Data, Worf and Yar

 Never like Yar, but could go for Worf anytime

 Anne

But being a woman, you didn't have the same appreciation for her tight
uniform, short blonde hair, large, er, lungs, shapely, er, uh, physical
stature...(almost like 7 of 9)


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RE: [newbie] WINE Questions

[Franki]

rpm -qa |grep wine

in a console will tell you if its installed..

but its easier to just use rpmdrake if you are in the GUI..

or you can open a console terminal.. and enter:  urpmi wine


rgds

Franki

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Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 2:51 PM
To: Linux Newbie
Subject: [newbie] WINE Questions


HI All,

I have MD9 up and running. Is WINE installed by default? How can I tell
if it is installed on this machine?

Thanks
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RE: [newbie] Linux W2000

[Franki]

yeah, I'll agree with that..

I got Femmes copy myself...

it sucks... It found errors on my NTFS install and just died.. said it
couldn't help and exited..

Funny thing is winblows works fine...

I used and old copy of ghost to move to a new drive and it got the size a
tiny bit wrong..

PM6 could not fix it, so I deleted it.. no use for useless software..


rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale
Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 3:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux  W2000


At 10:41 AM 1/2/2003 +, you wrote:
On Thursday 02 Jan 2003 12:05 am, Smiley wrote:
  On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 23:30:02 -
 
  Aurélio Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Smiley:
   Don't even think about resizing your win2k partition with diskdrake.
It
   can mess up your win2k.
 
  I didn't :)

I bought PM6, which is already unsupported by PowerQuest.  I'm not certain,
but I think it caused a number of problems for me.  I would be very
careful.
The current version is 8.0, I understand.  Get a total backup before you
try
anything like this.

Good luck

Anne

I am with Anne here.  PM Pissed me right off b/c less than 6 months after
buying that POS they stopped supporting it.  Needless to say I wasn't
amused.  On top of that I lost a lot of installs due to PM finding errors
in the partition table.  Fix them for you ?  yes/no.  Click yes, kiss
goodbye your linux partition  possibly your Winfucks partition depending
on how PM feels that day.

PM bites.  Wnat my copy?  You can have total craptastic performance with it
too!

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We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
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RE: [newbie] help with installing external USB CD-burner needed

[Franki]

yeah, I must say that I am sad at the loss of Kudzu.. it sometimes found
what mandrake could not.. or made it easier to configure at boot if it found
new or removed hardware..


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: Tuesday, 31 December 2002 4:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] help with installing external USB CD-burner needed


Kudzu is not longer in Mandrakethat was a RedHat config tool and is
now not compatible sice the advent of the Mandrake config tools...

Cheers

Jason

PS, it's too bad in a way because in some things Kudzu is
superior...like detecting hardware changes on boot etc.

ET wrote:

On Monday 30 December 2002 09:47 am, ET wrote:


what does, (as root, without the quotes) lsmod say about usb (mass
storage, uhci, etc)


I have one of these burners but have not set it up with 9.0 (it's on the
kids
box now) but have used it since 7.2. did you run kudzu with it connected?




On Monday 30 December 2002 08:21 am, Andrei Raevsky wrote:


Hi,

I am trying to install my external USB CD-burner (HP Writer Plus 8200
series external CD writer, connected on USB port) to my laptop.  Here is
what I get:


QUOTE

*USB VIEWER SEES:

HP USB CD-Writer Plus
Manufacturer: Shuttle Technology Inc.
Speed: 12Mb/s (full)
USB Version:  1.00
Device Class: 00(ifc )
Device Subclass: 00
Device Protocol: 00
Maximum Default Endpoint Size: 64
Number of Configurations: 1
Vendor Id: 03f0
Product Id: 0107
Revision Number:  2.00

Config Number: 1
 Number of Interfaces: 1
 Attributes: 40
 MaxPower Needed:   0mA

 Interface Number: 0
 Name: usb-storage
 Alternate Number: 0
 Class: ff(vend.)
 Sub Class: 00
 Protocol: 00
 Number of Endpoints: 3

 Endpoint Address: 01
 Direction: out
 Attribute: 2
 Type: Bulk
 Max Packet Size: 64
 Interval: 0ms

 Endpoint Address: 82
 Direction: in
 Attribute: 2
 Type: Bulk
 Max Packet Size: 64
 Interval: 0ms

 Endpoint Address: 83
 Direction: in
 Attribute: 3
 Type: Int.
 Max Packet Size: 2
 Interval: 32ms

*MCC HARDWARE DETECTS THE FOLLOWING ON USB PORT:

Vendor: Intel Corporation
Bus: PCI
Bus identification: 8086:7112
Location on the bus: 0:7:2
Description: 82371AB PIIX4 USB
Module: usb-uhci
Media class: SERIAL_USB

*The connect button triggers this response in the console:

Mon Dec 30 07:56:50 2002 Gtk-LOG **: file gtkstatusbar.c: line 233
(gtk_statusbar_pop): assertion `context_id  0' failed. at
/usr/lib/libDrakX/harddrake/ui.pm line 223.

*The logs recorded the following:
upmon[1011]: no UPSMON definitions in /etc/ups/
Neither X-CD-ROAST nor Gnome-Toaster detected any CD writer

*The Mandrake documentation says:

Under Mandrake Linux you can burn CDs using either a SCSI or an ATAPI
CD-R(W) drive. It is assumed that your CD-R(W) drive was already
configured properly at installation time, we won't speak about
configuring a CD-R(W) drive under Linux but how to put your CD-R(W) drive
to use.

All CD recording software treats CD-R(W) drives as SCSI, but ATAPI drives
make use of a feature called SCSI emulation which is automatically
configured during system installation

UNQUOTE

Does this means that there is no way for me to burn CDs.  Since I have an
old laptop with no free space, an internal burner is no option (besides,
I don't have the money anyway).

If worse comes to worse, can I at least use it as a CD drive?  As of
know, I don't see it even in this capaciy anywhere (not in /mnt or
/proc/bus/usb).

Thanks a lot for any help,

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RE: [newbie] EPSOM PERFECTION 2400 PHOTO

[Franki]

Is that setup listed on the mandrake site for supported scanners??

perhaps someone should add it if not.. that site is out of date for the most
part..
we should all work together to get a more solid picture of supported
hardware..

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Richard Smith
Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 5:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] EPSOM PERFECTION 2400 PHOTO


No, I have never heard of iscan, does it come from the epsom website ?
John


Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote:

Did you try iscan from epson? It uses all the scanner capabilities, lot
better
for most epson scanners than xsane



El Jueves, 26 de Diciembre de 2002 13:46, John Richard Smith escribió:


Santa was very generaous.

An EPSOM PERFECTION 2400 PHOTO

I never found anything in linux work initially so easy.
I just plugged it in the usb2 port powered it up
went to MCC - hardwarte scanner- leftmouse clicked ,
it asked for cd1 , I gave it it, it said thank you, I
smiled inwardly, It even gave me a kstartmenu entry,
and away it went.

So far I've had a go at grey scale and colour in normal
scan docment mode(as against photo/transparency)
and it worked. I have yet to make the fine adjustments
but all looks very encouraging.

I also notice the Steppa motor is 24v, as against most
of the cheapie scanners being 12v I hope that makes
for greater reliability.

I'm always cautious to praise too loudly, somehow it
seems like tempting fate, but all the thanks goes to
those sane project people for their sterling efforts,
and, I for one, am profoundly greatful.

I just thought I would share this with you.It is always
heartening when something works withou a lot of
fuss and bother  in linux.

John










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RE: [newbie] DVD+RW Support in Linux

[Franki]

There is a really nice Sony out that supports both standards.. (and dvd-ram
I think)

Also a pioneer from memory..

don't know if they support linux though.. but I'd go and check sony's site.

There isn't a huge amount of difference between the two.. it was mostly just
two different
consortiums that came up with different solutions and haven't settled on one
yet.

rgds

Frank

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Sent: Tuesday, 24 December 2002 1:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] DVD+RW Support in Linux


On Monday 23 December 2002 11:12 pm, James Dawson wrote:
 Does anyone know if DVD+RWs are supported under Linux?

 I've seen some reasonably priced DVD+RW drives recently but the only
drives
 I see listed as being compatible with Linux are DVD-RW drives. Also,
DVD-RW
 drives seem to becoming harder to find lately.
And along with that what is the difference? I'm not finding any info to
really
tell what is different between the + and -.
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RE: [newbie] Lindows

[Franki]

well, I don't know waldecks from a hole in the wall, but they stood up to
Microshaft.. and they offer linux on systems..

They get my vote on that alone.


rgds

Frank

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of christopher j
bottaro
Sent: Tuesday, 24 December 2002 2:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Lindows


my expectations of wal-mart are so low, that nothing they do can disappoint
me...;)

-- christopher

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From: Richard Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Newbie@Linux-Mandrake. Com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: [newbie] Lindows


 Greetings,
 I was just surfing the Wal-Mart site and found them hawking an OS called
 Lindows. Anyone know anything about this? It seems they are working hard
to
 convince neophytes that Windows is good but not that good. I just don't
like
 the approach and am disappointed in Wal-Mart for taking it.
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RE: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

[Franki]

I love the idea of training.. if Mandrake put an expert in an irc channel
24/7 or even for specific times each day.. and his job was to answer club
members questions.. and perhaps train them on stuff when the questions quiet
down... (common ones could be refered to a mandrake page with the common
answers...)...


Training is what would make mandrake club longterm profitable.. but why
would they listen to this suggestion...

Hell, they could do an online course..and offer a printable certificate at
the end.. it probably won't mean alot real world.. but I bet they'd get
swarms of signups if they did it. (I'd sign up too... just so I could lurk'n
learn..

As for debian and its long term viability

Debian is one of the oldest distro's.. its alot older then mandrake..

Also, the guys that do it do it for one reason.. they love it..

There is no money to be concerned about.. also, every ISP I have delt with..
and thats alot over the years, not just as a customer, but as a consultant..
for my clients and others have used Debian..

Truth be told,, I think that if it were possible to check,,, debian would
probably be ahead of Redhat as far as installed base goes...

Just not on the desktop.. most of the mail admins I'm sharing mailing lists
are using Debian (the linux users that is.)

Debian is probably the purest open source project of them all... at least
thats my impression.

If mandrake goes.. I'll use Debian or Gentoo for servers and redhat for
desktop.. currently I use Mandrake for both.. which is why I don't want to
change.

but having said that.. there is no free lunch... if they want my money..
they give me something I want.. thats all there is to it.. I am not
interested in games much.. I don't want software I can get free elsewhere..

I want training.. in various areas.. I am a sucker for learning.. I've
taught myself 4 programming languages in the last 2 years.. just because I
could... The chance to learn stuff.. anything of interest.. is worth my
dollars.

I know mandrake has alot of online docs.. but the way they have gone about
it is so haphazzard that most people have no idea its there or what its
for

hmmm.. what else could they do???

I know.. hold off longer on the final releases of mandrake... instead of
rushing them out.. take more snapshots.. offer them to only the club or
cooker members as ISO's   they could give something to the club members and
get something in return as well.. more bug testing.. I like aspects of 8.2
and 9.0.. but nothing is better then 7.2 so far... (I still have lots of
servers running it.)

One last thing they should do off the top of my head...
They should copy M$ and release a searchable knowledgebase..  not 10
docs spread all over the place.. but a searchable database of issues and
their solitions.. with unique id's and all..

make it available to clubmembers... (in my opinion, the M$ knowledgebase is
the only worthwhile thing they have done in years.)


Thats the stuff that will have people signing up...

rgds

Frank











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Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital


Comments in-line

On Sunday 22 Dec 2002 12:09 pm, Franki wrote:
 Well, I guess its my turn to have a say...

 I am off the opinion that the club is a shortterm earner at best..
 eventually people will pull out and if there are not new replacements it
 will dry up.. there is alot more benefit to mandrake in the club then
there
 currently is to the users I think.

 having said that, if the make it more worth the while then I will force
all
 my client that use mandrake pay it for a year..

 just like I insist all of those using dyndns pay them a 20 dollar donation
 at signup...

 but right now, what am I gonna tell them?? you'll get a bunch of demo
 software, some nvidia drivers and a few other bits and bobs.. not enough
to
 convince someone thats going on second hand loyalty (mine).

 They need to think long and hard about what they can offer.. perhaps
online
 realtime tutorials/training with chatrooms and stuff.. I don't know, but
do
 some more value adding..

Corporate users, if that's what we're talking about, would be hard to
convince
at the moment, I agree.  But I like the idea that training might be offered.


 As for mandrake going under.. I'll be very sad if they do.. I have bought
 powerpacks off them before.. and I was planning on buying 9.1, but if they
 go down.. it would take me a week or two to get to the same level using
 redhat.. (or gentoo )..

 I love mandrake for the most part.. and would hate to see them go... but
if
 they do, I'll probably try to standardise on one of the not-for-profit
 distro's like debian... it'd be a pain for a while, but at least its
 unlikely to go under..

Why?  Not questioning your knowledge - on the contrary, asking why you
believe
them to be sound.


 In the email

RE: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

[Franki]

get a grip people, I'm not talking about an e-learning center..

I'm talking about adding some value to club members by putting one of their
guys on an IRC server or whatever and allowing access to the clubmembers for
an hour or two a day..   not that expensive to setup...

stuff like that.. .talk daily with a mandrake programmer

sheesh.. I wasn't suggesting they rethink their business.. but there are
alot of potential club members who are on the verge of signing up.. and
something like that would tip the scales in mdk's favour...

Think about it, don't you think it would be cool to have a real person at
mandrake to voice off at or ask for help...??
from what I have seen/heard, mandrake leaves alot to be desired when it
comes to newbies asking for help..


rgds

Frank

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On Sunday 22 December 2002 10:41 am, Franki wrote:
 I love the idea of training.. if Mandrake put an expert in an irc channel
 24/7 or even for specific times each day.. and his job was to answer club
 members questions.. and perhaps train them on stuff when the questions
 quiet down... (common ones could be refered to a mandrake page with the
 common answers...)...


 Training is what would make mandrake club longterm profitable.. but why
 would they listen to this suggestion...

 Hell, they could do an online course..and offer a printable certificate at
 the end.. it probably won't mean alot real world.. but I bet they'd get
 swarms of signups if they did it. (I'd sign up too... just so I could
 lurk'n learn..



That is basically what got Mandrake into the bad position they are in right
now, e-learning. (And no - they didn't get swarms of signups)


 As for debian and its long term viability

 Debian is one of the oldest distro's.. its alot older then mandrake..

 Also, the guys that do it do it for one reason.. they love it..

 There is no money to be concerned about.. also, every ISP I have delt
 with.. and thats alot over the years, not just as a customer, but as a
 consultant.. for my clients and others have used Debian..

 Truth be told,, I think that if it were possible to check,,, debian would
 probably be ahead of Redhat as far as installed base goes...

 Just not on the desktop.. most of the mail admins I'm sharing mailing
lists
 are using Debian (the linux users that is.)

 Debian is probably the purest open source project of them all... at least
 thats my impression.

 If mandrake goes.. I'll use Debian or Gentoo for servers and redhat for
 desktop.. currently I use Mandrake for both.. which is why I don't want to
 change.

 but having said that.. there is no free lunch... if they want my money..
 they give me something I want.. thats all there is to it.. I am not
 interested in games much.. I don't want software I can get free
elsewhere..



Mandrake's core focus is on delivering a Linux distro that has broad
hardware
support, is easy to set up and administer, and is committed to free
software.
The idea of the club is to support Mandrake in this goal. Quite a few people
today have broadband and a cd writer (heck - you don't actually even need a
cd writer), and therefore have no need for boxed sets, besides the
additional
software that is in it. The club is a way for Mandrake users to support them
directly, without diluting the money with costs for packaging and delivery.
Everything else on Mandrakeclub is an _incentive_ to join, and not the core
reason. If you honestly feel that you are giving Mandrake a free lunch by
joining the club - then so be it.


 I want training.. in various areas.. I am a sucker for learning.. I've
 taught myself 4 programming languages in the last 2 years.. just because I
 could... The chance to learn stuff.. anything of interest.. is worth my
 dollars.

 I know mandrake has alot of online docs.. but the way they have gone about
 it is so haphazzard that most people have no idea its there or what its
 for

 hmmm.. what else could they do???

 I know.. hold off longer on the final releases of mandrake... instead of
 rushing them out.. take more snapshots.. offer them to only the club or
 cooker members as ISO's   they could give something to the club members
and
 get something in return as well.. more bug testing.. I like aspects of 8.2
 and 9.0.. but nothing is better then 7.2 so far... (I still have lots of
 servers running it.)

 One last thing they should do off the top of my head...
 They should copy M$ and release a searchable knowledgebase..  not 10
 docs spread all over the place.. but a searchable database of issues and
 their solitions.. with unique id's and all..

 make it available to clubmembers... (in my opinion, the M$ knowledgebase
is
 the only worthwhile thing they have done in years.)


 Thats the stuff

RE: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

[Franki]

Here here,, I live in Australia too, and just because our ecommony bites the
bag is no reason for us to have to
pay what is essentially twice the price the yanks do...


They pay 5 USD but the earn USD... we earn AUD.. which is a worthless piece
of plastic paper mostly, but we also pay USD...

As a result of that, and the fact that there isn't anything much in the club
thus far to encourage me to join...
is why thus far why I haven't.


rgds

Frank



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 23 December 2002 2:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital


On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 23:05, Sascha Noyes wrote:

 Mandrake's core focus is on delivering a Linux distro that has broad
hardware
 support, is easy to set up and administer, and is committed to free
software.
 The idea of the club is to support Mandrake in this goal. Quite a few
people
 today have broadband and a cd writer (heck - you don't actually even need
a
 cd writer), and therefore have no need for boxed sets, besides the
additional
 software that is in it. The club is a way for Mandrake users to support
them
 directly, without diluting the money with costs for packaging and
delivery.
 Everything else on Mandrakeclub is an _incentive_ to join, and not the
core
 reason. If you honestly feel that you are giving Mandrake a free lunch by
 joining the club - then so be it.


Ah - now see - here is one bit of eloquence that so rightly points out a
companies narrow mindedness - they treat everyone as though they're an
American consumer.

I no longer live in America. $5 US is $10AUD. Therefore $40US is $80AUD.
I don't have broadband, I have dialup.

Now maybe if the marketing dickheads would THINK that other people from
OTHER countries would want to join at a Country Level Price, I'd join
the Mandrakeclub. Otherwise, they can piss off. I'd be willing to spend
$5AUD per month on a membership, but not $10. I'd be willing to buy the
packages if they were leveled to an Aussie dollar.

I bought my RH for $29.95AUD. Same package I bought sells for $29.95US.

THAT'S proper international marketing.

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RE: [newbie] Mice Issues and comments (rant?)

[Franki]

The easiest editor for linux, comparable to msdos edit would be mcedit.
part of the mc midnight commander package..

If you knew Xtree gold or Norton commander in dos.. mc will make immediate
sense to you.


I have talked though some complex edits over the phone to newbies using mc
to do it...


give it a go..

It makes a good file system tool.. even does FTP and stuff if you want.

rgds

Frank

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On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 08:25, Michael Paul wrote:

   As a newbie trying linux for the first time, I find it very very
 frustrating. Nothing is intuitive, and even basic text editors like vi or
 emacs are difficult to use. I found myself wishing for good old MS-DOS
edit.


There are more editors than you can shake a stick at - Mandrake only
puts a few at your fingertips - vi and vim are horribly compmlex for
simple jobs...pico - and other editors like them, are quite a bit easier
to deal with - and yes, there are text editors like MS-DOS Edit - where
do you think that the idea for MS-DOS edit came from? Unix.

  As an experienced Windows user with 12 years under my belt, I think I can
 safely say that linux will never gain full acceptance with the majoity of
 computer users in it's current state. Nothing is intuitive. Even adding a
 new device is a royal pain. First, you have to know which file to edit,
 where to find it and then try to figure out the cryptic messages within
 while consulting huge manuals. The general public will never go for it.
 Windows plug and play works wonderfully. There are no text files to edit.
 Things just work. Plug in a scanner, windows detects, feed it the cdrom,
and
 in about 5 minutes you are using it. Try that with linux.


Actually, being not just a Windows user for 12+ years, an OS/2 user for
14+ years, an Apple user for more than 16+ years, yes, there are some
things that Windows does easily - although STILL NOT as easily on a
Macintosh running OS 9...but the fact of the matter remains that
Microsoft has kept the public relatively stupid about not just their
computers, but their operating systems - Windows users, after the past
five years, are just the same as Mac users - they know only what's in
front of them.

OS technologies and application technologies have suffered from this
end-user mentality - so much so that hardware and peripheral
manufacturers have become quite lazy in their product designs and
support - but that's another story.

You can't judge all linux distros by this one. Sure, it's got gloss
and more of a click here aim, but overall, this is not the end all
to linux distros...nor *nix distros.

A Sun Sparc running Solaris would boggle your mind as to it's
functionality - but that's $20kUSD just to step into.

Overall, if you're talking about true plug'n'play, nothing can compare
to the Macintosh's. Windows TRIES, but falls very short - too much plug
and pray, too many issues with corruptions to the registry, too many
security issues and code-bloat. Mac, on the other hand, just works.
That's it. Very little to support, very little to go wrong.

Ha! Got ya there! (grin)

  I guess I should have kept my mouth shut, but I'm pretty frustrated.
Sorry
 to subject you all, but I needed a release. :)  I know that people will
pipe
 up about how I should get started coding this or that, but I'm not a
coder.
 I'm a user and sometime systems admin at work. And that's it. I realize
that
 the industry could help by releasing driver source code, etc. But, if I
was
 a hardware developer, I wouldn't want the software I invested in to be
 readily available to competitors who would copy the innovation I paid for
in
 salaries for developers. So, we have the chicken and the egg syndrome.
 People won't use it unless it's at least as easy as Windows, and it seems
it
 can't be made that easy without the cooperation of hardware developers
 writing linux drivers for their products alongside Windows drivers.

  Anyways.. Sorry to rant. :)  I do appreciate the help on this list,
please
 don't think that I don't.

 Michael


Don't worry about it man - really - just think of it as a constant
learning experience - and having even a little linux experience goes
quite a long way - and in the next year, that experience will definately
grow and become a good thing to have under your belt.

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RE: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

[Franki]

yeah.. thats what I mean...

except one that is for club members only.. has  staff working there who do
it under orders and not volenteers.. and no question is too dumb... :-) if
they volenteer, they usually only answer stuff they consider advanced
enough.. if mandrake puts them there to answer questions.. they will..

And mdk club should have some communication method of ideas.. when you have
50,000 users, and you ignore thier opinions.. then you are wasting money..
with that many people, there are very likely a good many awesom ideas that
just get ignored..

its a shame..

I write web apps for a company over here, and most of my work is adapted
from suggestions by my clients...

In short, if you treat people as stupid with nothing valid to add (bar
money) then thats exactly what you'll end up with. stupid users.. that was
the big M$ mistake... now windows users are generally to dumbed down to
understand linux quickly...
(which may have been their plan all along.)
rgds

Frank



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 23 December 2002 7:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital


At 03:06 AM 12/23/2002 +0800, you wrote:
get a grip people, I'm not talking about an e-learning center..

I'm talking about adding some value to club members by putting one of their
guys on an IRC server or whatever and allowing access to the clubmembers
for
an hour or two a day..   not that expensive to setup...

stuff like that.. .talk daily with a mandrake programmer

sheesh.. I wasn't suggesting they rethink their business.. but there are
alot of potential club members who are on the verge of signing up.. and
something like that would tip the scales in mdk's favour...

Think about it, don't you think it would be cool to have a real person at
mandrake to voice off at or ask for help...??
from what I have seen/heard, mandrake leaves alot to be desired when it
comes to newbies asking for help..


rgds

Frank


In my search for knowledge and some tidbits  support I found and IRC
channel as you describe.  I know at least one MDK employee hangs out
there.  The problem?  They are not very newbie friendly  far too ready to
kick ban ppl for Stupid questions.  I left when one of the ops got really
pissy  anal retentive.  He muted the channel  de-voiced everyone who was
in it b/c ppl like me were asking too many dumb questions.  The
channel?  #MDK-Newbie or something similar.  It was made strictly for MDK
newbs to come  ask for support/questions.
-
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