Re: admin permissions on old OOo
On 31 January 2012 21:25, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 30/01/2012 Dave Fisher wrote: Is it time to remove the old OOo? Not without proper notice. At least, there are still active mailing lists there and the corresponding moderation web panels under http://openoffice.org still work. Regards, Andrea. Oh, dumb me. I should mention, on this thread, that one reason why OOo had relatively many posters mis-posting messages and so on was because unlike a lot of other foss projects then--less so now--it was amphibolic user/develoeper, and that did not usually work out so well for those users wanting nothing more than the application. This meant then that so many of the rules that govern a developer site were bent to accommodate regular users who were not by any means developers or even contributors-and who had no clue, even after reading the warnings, of what it meant to send an email message to a list. I am *not* saying we ought to do the same thing here. Quite the opposite. I have maintained that it's best to focus on development and contribution here and to have a proper focus users elsewhere, though elsewhere could easily be within the generous embrace of Apache. louis
domains a-lot WAS: [Re: openoffice.com link goes to dubious site]
Hi On 1 February 2012 22:54, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 22:03 -0500, David Sheffield wrote: Hello, If you go to the Open Office mirrors project (link below) and scroll down to United States - Bulk Book Store, the http link to the right actually redirects to a Philipino themed porn site. At least I wasn't at work when I clicked on it. I wasn't too offended but I'm sure some people would be if this happened to them. Just letting you guys know so you can fix it. http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/mirrors/#mirrors Just sent an email to registered owners of the site, as listed in the WHOIS db, informing them it's apparently been hijacked. Thanks, Drew. Interesting. The subject line of this note drew my attention because last year I had a discussion with the owner of OpenOffice.com about possibly working nicely with him. If I recall, he's a Dutch businessperson whose business is not orthogonal to AOO. There are also many other OO.xx (or some other variable without specific and embarrassing meaning), and I actually happen to own one of them, I think: OpenOffice.ca. But there is also OO.za, and many others. Given that we are now a veritable community project, and that most if not all of the OO.XX sites are efforts by local community members, I think it would be reasonable for us (in practice, not sure who would constitute the U and S of the set) to situate them within the larger frame of AOO. I, for one, would be honoured to help with this effort, as it would also dovetail with the hell-of-a-lot-more-tedious tracking and consolidation through a kind of reverse-Adamic OOo naming…. My proposal would be that Apache OO simply starts by listing the sites, if they agree; and if so, that those listed be identified as member of the AOO community and abide by Apache's provisions regarding license, brand, etc. *Note* this is a proposal. It is not a bold statement on my part to act arbitrarily. :-) //drew cheers, Louis
Abofallen URLs for OOo
Abofallen is German for fraudulent subscriptions. When we in the OOo days had the trademark project, we collected fraudulent URLs. Hat off to Florian E. and many others for compiling them. I came across the spreadsheet--I imagine it's still in the archives for tradem...@council.openoffice.org--for 2010-03-28. There may be later ones, and Florian may have them still. It's a useful list. If we here now do not have it, I can post the old one, and it can be progressively updated. I also think it worthwhile that for something like this, all implementations and variants of OOo combine forces. -louis PS the list is long. Also, FWIW, I've not received in some while any notice from eBay regarding my ownership (?) of the About OpenOffice.org page. Many defrauders and not use eBay as their shopwindow.
Re: Abofallen URLs for OOo
Hi, On 2 February 2012 08:00, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Yes, please just forward or checkin the list to SVN. This would be valuable for the PPMC to review. - Shane Thought so. I'll also see if Florian has a more up-to-date version. I repeat that this list, a compilation of dastards, is something that we all benefit from contributing to and having. -louis On 2012-02-02 12:32 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Abofallen is German for fraudulent subscriptions. When we in the OOo days had the trademark project, we collected fraudulent URLs. Hat off to Florian E. and many others for compiling them. I came across the spreadsheet--I imagine it's still in the archives for tradem...@council.openoffice.org--for 2010-03-28. There may be later ones, and Florian may have them still. It's a useful list. If we here now do not have it, I can post the old one, and it can be progressively updated. I also think it worthwhile that for something like this, all implementations and variants of OOo combine forces. -louis PS the list is long. Also, FWIW, I've not received in some while any notice from eBay regarding my ownership (?) of the About OpenOffice.org page. Many defrauders and not use eBay as their shopwindow.
Re: Abofallen URLs for OOo
Hi Florian, On 2 February 2012 11:16, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote on 2012-02-02 17:10: Thought so. I'll also see if Florian has a more up-to-date version. I repeat that this list, a compilation of dastards, is something that we all benefit from contributing to and having. apart from the list that has been circulated internally to several community representatives, there is no updated collection. At some point, we stopped collecting this data, since there has been a lack of legal ressources to fight that fraud. Sigh. Well, would you at TDF be interested in collaborating on regular (or not) updates to that list? Again, I believe having such a list mutually benefits us. -louis Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff
Re: openoffice.com link goes to dubious site
Thanks. -louis On 2 February 2012 00:37, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 22:54 -0500, drew wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 22:03 -0500, David Sheffield wrote: Hello, If you go to the Open Office mirrors project (link below) and scroll down to United States - Bulk Book Store, the http link to the right actually redirects to a Philipino themed porn site. At least I wasn't at work when I clicked on it. I wasn't too offended but I'm sure some people would be if this happened to them. Just letting you guys know so you can fix it. http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/mirrors/#mirrors Just sent an email to registered owners of the site, as listed in the WHOIS db, informing them it's apparently been hijacked. Here is the reply: It wasn't hacked, we discontinued the server that that subdomain is hosted on, and didn't update our DNS records, and now some porn company apparently got that IP address. Either way, I updated our DNS records and it won't send people there anymore in a few hours when the DNS propegates. Thank you for bringing this to my attention! -Dirk
Re: Abofallen URLs for OOo
Hi, On 2 February 2012 11:53, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote on 2012-02-02 17:22: Sigh. Well, would you at TDF be interested in collaborating on regular (or not) updates to that list? Again, I believe having such a list mutually benefits us. I think that all free software projects should inform about the risks of download fraud (since we're all affected), and everyone can cooperate on that. GIMP, Inkscape and others are affected like we are. However, I guess that when it comes to trademark issues that can legally infuence a mark's existence, and collecting private data of people complaining about fraud, this should be first handled in the respective project's trademark teams. Otherwise I think it would be legally too risky. What cannot hurt, of course, is from time to time to exchange solely the links of the most fraudulent sites, to check if we see a pattern. If that could be organized on a wider scale, including many projects, that sure would benefit everyone. Good points. I suggest that as the list compiled by us will be of course open for inspection by all, that for now the process be kept casual, but that we do remind ourselves periodically, as you suggest, to review, edit the list. (BTW, the German word, abofallen, is very good. There is no simple equivalent in English, at least none that I know of that translates so neatly, defrauding by subscription or fraudulent subscription.) lsp Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff
Re: openoffice.com link goes to dubious site
Drew, I have the abofallen list I'll send post to the svn repository. It won't help you much, but isn't it not too difficult to, say, write a script to check any given URL against a list (say, the one I post, or another) for spam identity? Kind of like, if.. then.. routine. louis On 2 February 2012 17:30, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: checked first thing this morning - no more porn, but then again not a mirror any longer either so should still come off the listing. I don't know if anyone has checked all the other links - if not I can do that and believe I have all the access rights needed to edit the page. Though in long run not sure that is staying, ASF has a different set of mirrors if not mistaken. //drew On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 11:33 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Thanks. -louis On 2 February 2012 00:37, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 22:54 -0500, drew wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 22:03 -0500, David Sheffield wrote: Hello, If you go to the Open Office mirrors project (link below) and scroll down to United States - Bulk Book Store, the http link to the right actually redirects to a Philipino themed porn site. At least I wasn't at work when I clicked on it. I wasn't too offended but I'm sure some people would be if this happened to them. Just letting you guys know so you can fix it. http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/mirrors/#mirrors Just sent an email to registered owners of the site, as listed in the WHOIS db, informing them it's apparently been hijacked. Here is the reply: It wasn't hacked, we discontinued the server that that subdomain is hosted on, and didn't update our DNS records, and now some porn company apparently got that IP address. Either way, I updated our DNS records and it won't send people there anymore in a few hours when the DNS propegates. Thank you for bringing this to my attention! -Dirk
Re: Contributed code (was Re: Fake OpenOffice site?)
Andrew, Is Oracle also granting to Apache license to the training material for OOo and Oracle Open Office? (I am not sure but believe that Oracle was only working on branded Oracle OO stuff, but it's very likely commutative.) -louis On 3 February 2012 17:23, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 2/3/2012 16:37, Andrew Rist wrote: snip snip On 2/2/2012 4:50 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: On 2012-02-01 9:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: 1) Oracle contributed the OpenOffice.org source code and trademarks to Apache Really? I thought Oracle granted a license of most of the OpenOffice.org source code to Apache, not all of it. If they had granted a license of all the source code, we'd probably be about a month further along in the schedule, maybe? But we've done amazing work filling in the pieces and making the current Apache OpenOffice releases work while ensuring we only use permissively licensed code. Hey Shane - probably just an issue with wording, but just want to add this to the discussion... Oracle granted a license to the stuff that Oracle had clear copyright ownership on. I don't think there is anything owned by Oracle that was not donated - especially nothing that is pushing the schedule back at this point. There are a lot of non-Sun/Oracle code used by the project (some of it copyleft) - obviously this could not be 'donated' by Oracle. It is the remediation of this code that has been the source of the last few months of work - mostly copyleft dependencies and 'extensions' (I'm thinking dictionaries and the like here) A. Andrew, The only code I know of that got lost is the crash-dump analysis code (Jürgen is the expert on it). It is a bee in my bonnet, because I consider it indispensable for certain kinds of problems. It was Sun-proprietary code, run in Hamburg. IMHO, its reincarnation would be worth considerable effort. -- /tj/
Re: Contributed code (was Re: Fake OpenOffice site?)
Andrew, On 3 February 2012 18:00, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: On 2/3/2012 2:38 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Andrew, Is Oracle also granting to Apache license to the training material for OOo and Oracle Open Office? (I am not sure but believe that Oracle was only working on branded Oracle OO stuff, but it's very likely commutative.) -louis That stuff was not part of OOo project and has not been included. I understand your interest, but that is a different topic than the below discussion. A. Of course. Thanks for the response. Louis On 3 February 2012 17:23, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 2/3/2012 16:37, Andrew Rist wrote: snip snip On 2/2/2012 4:50 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: On 2012-02-01 9:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: 1) Oracle contributed the OpenOffice.org source code and trademarks to Apache Really? I thought Oracle granted a license of most of the OpenOffice.org source code to Apache, not all of it. If they had granted a license of all the source code, we'd probably be about a month further along in the schedule, maybe? But we've done amazing work filling in the pieces and making the current Apache OpenOffice releases work while ensuring we only use permissively licensed code. Hey Shane - probably just an issue with wording, but just want to add this to the discussion... Oracle granted a license to the stuff that Oracle had clear copyright ownership on. I don't think there is anything owned by Oracle that was not donated - especially nothing that is pushing the schedule back at this point. There are a lot of non-Sun/Oracle code used by the project (some of it copyleft) - obviously this could not be 'donated' by Oracle. It is the remediation of this code that has been the source of the last few months of work - mostly copyleft dependencies and 'extensions' (I'm thinking dictionaries and the like here) A. Andrew, The only code I know of that got lost is the crash-dump analysis code (Jürgen is the expert on it). It is a bee in my bonnet, because I consider it indispensable for certain kinds of problems. It was Sun-proprietary code, run in Hamburg. IMHO, its reincarnation would be worth considerable effort. -- /tj/ -- Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect OracleCorporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847
Re: 2012-02-01 PPMC Status: End of Initial Committer Establishment
And, like all, I say: Thanks! Louis On 1 February 2012 11:38, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: As of the end of day, 2012-01-31, the Apache OpenOffice podling has 85 committers, with 67 on the PPMC. Since the previous, 2011-11-17, report there is an increase of 4 committers and 9 PPMC members. There are no outstanding iCLAs for initial committers and there are no remaining eligible initial committers who have not established themselves. - Dennis for the Apache OpenOffice PPMC CURRENT PPMC AND COMMITTER STATUS Now On-Board: 1 champion 5 mentor 1 mentor/committer 67 PPMC (all currently committers) 17 committers (not counted under PPMC) 6 other (ASF Member observers, etc.) 97 TOTAL = pending PPMC? + complete + authz below Pending Actions: 0 committer/PPMC invitations pending 0 waiting for acceptance 0 waiting for iCLA 0 invited to choose ID 0 waiting for choice of ID 1 pending ID account creation and addition as committer 0 authz - awaiting completion of authorizations 17 PPMC? - eligible for serving on PPMC 80 complete 25 other - special status - declined, retired, etc. 123 TOTAL -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 21:00 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: 2011-11-17 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board As of the end of day, 2011-11-17, there are 81 committers, with 58 on the PPMC. Since the previous, 2011-10-12, report that is an increase of 5 committers and 4 PPMC members. The number of outstanding iCLAs is down to 9 from 11. There are two ID chosen? pending, and that is unchanged although only one is not new. At this time there are 9 Initial Committers who have failed to respond in any fashion to the final reminder that was sent on 2011-10-21. Three have responded affirmatively. The final reminder provides notification that if there is no communication by midnight UTC, 2011-11-18T24:00Z, the Initial Committer status will have expired. - Dennis for the Apache OOo PPMC -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: 2011-10-12 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board As of the end of day, 2011-10-11, there are 76 committers, with 54 on the PPMC. Since the previous, 2011-09-13 report, that is an increase of 4 committers, and one leaving the PPMC. The number of outstanding iCLAs from eligible Initial Committers remains at 11. - Dennis WHO'S ON BOARD 1 champion 5 mentor 2 mentor/committer 54 PPMC 20 committer 7 other 89 TOTAL = Pending PPMC? + complete, below PENDING ACTIONS 0 invite 0 accepted? 11 iCLA? 0 choose ID 2 ID chosen? 0 ID pending 20 PPMC? 69 complete 8 other 110 TOTAL [ ... ]
Re: Localization
Andre, On 6 February 2012 10:23, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote: Hi all, I am currently looking into the localization (also known as l10n) process. After some days of digging into it and banging my head against the wall, I have set up a new wiki page ([1]) with what I have found out so far. It is intended for developers not for translators. For the later there exist already some pages ([2], [3]). At the moment some parts of the page are more a brain dump than readable text. The matter is amazingly complex, convoluted and hidden. Only a part of it is part of the build process. There are many manual steps that use scripts that are lost since the old pootle server crashed. Therefore any help to fill in the gaps and missing pieces is welcome. Regards, Andre [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_for_developers [2] http://www.openoffice.org/l10n/ [3] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization This is great news. Thanks! BTW, just out of curiosity--and my perennial desire to ease work--how plausible (if not possible) is it to collaborate on this with the LO/TDF folks? louis
Re: Localization
On 7 February 2012 08:31, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/02/2012 Andre Fischer wrote: On 06.02.2012 16:38, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: BTW, just out of curiosity--and my perennial desire to ease work--how plausible (if not possible) is it to collaborate on this with the LO/TDF folks? I would like that, but there are technical reasons against this: The content of the localization data reflects the file structure of our source code. If you add or remove files that need localization then you change the set of po files on the pootle server. Technically this is true, but it would still be possible and helpful (to both localizers and users) to share translation memories, so that we can be sure that, say, the Italian translation of the SUMIF() Calc function is the same in both suites. However, it seems that in this specific moment global cooperation attempts are bound to result in a waste of time at best. I stay hopeful that things will change and that both sides get more pragmatic, but I can't predict when this will happen and until that happens we will just need to get things done in both projects. Regards, Andrea. it's tempting to consider olive branches and other vegetable offerings. Perhaps Desktop Summit, later this summer? My interest lies not in collaboration as such as much as in the reduction of what could ultimately be confusing redundancy. One might also, if it makes sense and is easy, combine work with other orgs. -louis
Proposal: The ODF Commons
A couple of nights ago I downloaded the very excellent latest dev build of OOo. (No problems yet, just goodness, though I do wish the UK-English versions for Mac OS X were more obvious, but I know the answer to that wish: do it.) After download, I wanted to use an extension I'd used in a long-ago prior version. But the Extensions repository for OOo were out of date, and so I went over to LibreOffice's. Their repository is still being developed, but it did have some of those I wanted and which used to be kept up to date on the OOo repository, before the split. (BTW, I fully expect that the Apache extensions repository will be shortly updated and be very useful indeed….) This led to the obvious conclusion--at least, obvious to me: provided license permits, I'd think that it makes sense to have a single site for extensions that would work with all (or as many as…) ODF implementations. The site could be a list of links, as I had for the old OOo support page. But I'd rather hope that it would be more than that, and be a commons we could all benefit from. I have no illusion that this will come about anytime soon (or that it even ought to). However, my interest lies in making ODF (note, I wrote, ODF) more usable and more obviously usable now and later for the tens of millions--billions, soon enough--wanting to use the app. And one thing that they will want is extensions. I know I did. How to proceed? Well, a discussion on the matter is always a good place to start. But it would also be good to have a clear understanding of the obstacles, of whatever nature, lie in waiting. Note, this is not at all about consolidating the split communities. That's up to the developers and the teams and the people involved. Nor is this proposal about taking advantage of LibreOffice's extensions because the ones I wanted two nights ago were not current on the old OOo site. No, I expect that repository to be updated quite soon and to be stocked with interesting work as the Apache effort gains the attention it merits and appeals to enterprise users as well as consumers. (And as a strong supporter of the project of which I am a member, I will do what I can to further this podling's progress.) Rather, this is about making it easier for users to access those things they want and for developers to reach communities and markets that want them. And I see a page that concentrates information a useful step. cheers, Louis
Re: Proposal: The ODF Commons
Hi, On 7 February 2012 20:35, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Louis, Are you suggesting that extensions, the format of .oxt files, and the means by which extensions can integrate into operation of an ODF processor should be the subject of the ODF specification or some other interoperability agreement? Not necessarily. Honestly, my goal here is to make more visible discussions that allow us (the ODF community) to move in ways that benefit all, and to do so as visibly as possible. At the moment it is all OpenOffice.org-specific under whatever variations arise as part of Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice divergence. Also, some OpenOffice extensions are explicitly to support other formats. For example, there is an EPUB extension, and we've talked about moving the Wordperfect support into its own extension. Quite; am aware of that. And wold also welcome inviting Adobe, and even Amazon to the party, provided license permits. However, the template repository is ODF and a well-written template should be generic enough to work with different ODF editors. But extensions are tied to the application's automation interface, and that differers from editor to editor. Yes, and I suppose a ramification of this proposal would be either to harmonize or standardize the interfaces. Or provide tools that level the field for users. Another approach would be to consider what types of applications could be done as operations directly on the document format, using something like the ODF Toolkit. Extensions done that way might be made more portable, since they could have fewer dependencies on the app, e.g., as little as just being handed a stream for the current document. This is a solution that perhaps could be discussed by all interested? To take an example…. Mozilla extensions for Firefox will usually but not always run on other gecko apps, like Camino, and those for Thunderbird will sometimes run on Postbox (another Mac OS X mail client), but not always. It would be great if they ran freely on Postbox, as Postbox is derived, it seems, from Thunderbird. But they do not. The result is that much of the functionality of Postbox is left wanting, and so the app remains unused, even though it has a few advantages over Thunderbird. The sadness is that the energy and creativity and entrepreneurial guts visible in both open and closed source apps is a little bit lost. It is not the same, regarding extensions, as we see for Android and iOS. There are fundamental differences, for now. (Soon enough, with HTML5, there will be no meaningful differences, I would hope, in the way apps must be configured to run on any OS.) My interest is not particularly sappy. :-) it is rather to promote a robust ecosystem that encourages the use of ODF implementations. It is this way, and maybe even only this way, that we will see our favourite ODF implementation succeed. - Dennis PS: I believe consolidated/federated repositories with a common catalog identifying extensions, what they work with, platform requirements, licensing, and packaging is intended as part of the evolution of the extensions and templates service, along with reliance on SourceForge as a friendly host. That's good to know, and I regret only partly following that discussion. I should hope, then, that the LO and TDF good folk share the same belief and expectation. -louis
Re: Call for Tender Office Interoperability
Andor, Thanks for this notice. I am, however, a little uncertain how to interpret this--please forgive my stupidity. Do you mean that with this note you are informing the Apache OpenOffice Podling (Incubator) members of this request that we submit a tender (i.e., a description of how much it would cost for us to do what is wanted as described)? I am sure that the request will find interested parties here. Thanks. Best, Louis On 2 February 2012 09:15, Andor E eymux2...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, this is an official call for tender from the Open Source Business Alliance (OSBA) Working Group Office Interoperability. The working group has been created to improve the interoperability of OOXML documents between MS-Office and OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice. For this we have created a list of feature improvements for OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice. The members of the working group are funding the implementation of these features by independent contractors. Please see the specifications for details. Press release (in German) http://tinyurl.com/87zte9n Specifications (in English) https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3SaiFrf0_QZZjVlYTJmMzEtMWEyOS00NmYyLWE2NzktODVhMzQyZTA5NzQz Kind regards Andor Ertsey Project LiMux Landeshauptstadt München
Re: BSDCan (was Re: OpenOffice.org meetup in Holland)
Juergen, would you accept constructive critique? Given that your presentation effectively would be representing the work being done and to be done, it would be good to have clear, forceful language…. and last I heard, English as she is spoke is me native tongue. ;-) Ciao Louis On 13 February 2012 04:01, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/11/12 6:34 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: +1 I proposed a talk about AOO for the next BSDCan: http://www.bsdcan.org/2012/ I have proposed a paper for the LinuxTag in Berlin in May. It's under review and not yet accepted. Short abstract OpenOffice is the leading open source office productivity suite and 2011 was a challenging year for the OpenOffice project. The main sponsor Oracle announced to stop their investment in the project and they granted the source code and the trademarks to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). The presentation is intended to inform about the current status, the future and to clarify many wrong and misleading communication around the project. Future plans will be based on discussions here on the list and the proposed 4.0 features etc. Juergen I actually have to prepare another, more technical, talk for the same event so having a standard presentation template to start with would be good. Pedro. --- Sab 11/2/12, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto: I'm not sure it would help in this particular case, but we should probably develop a standard project overview presentation that we can keep up-to-date and translate. Cover the basics of what AOO is as a product, platforms, languages, functionality, standards supported, etc., then discuss Apache and AOO as a project, and then end with future plans and an invitation to get involved. If we had such a 20 slide presentation, it would make it easier for project members, and other interested parties, to help spread the word at smaller events. Is there a standard Apache presentation template? -Rob //drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: ooo-users-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: ooo-users-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: BSDCan (was Re: OpenOffice.org meetup in Holland)
Hi. On 14 February 2012 03:19, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/14/12 6:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Juergen, would you accept constructive critique? sure ;-) Given that your presentation effectively would be representing the work being done and to be done, it would be good to have clear, forceful language…. and last I heard, English as she is spoke is me native tongue. ;-) If the paper will be accepted (and I hope it will) I will give the presentation in German. The last time I have presented at LinuxTag I start in English and switched then to German because the audience preferred German. Juergen Okay; thanks. I think that it would actually be useful to have your presentation, esp. if it includes or references technical details, available for others outside of LinuxTag. The point is that many many large groups of people are wondering about the future of AOO. -louis Ciao Louis On 13 February 2012 04:01, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/11/12 6:34 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: +1 I proposed a talk about AOO for the next BSDCan: http://www.bsdcan.org/2012/ I have proposed a paper for the LinuxTag in Berlin in May. It's under review and not yet accepted. Short abstract OpenOffice is the leading open source office productivity suite and 2011 was a challenging year for the OpenOffice project. The main sponsor Oracle announced to stop their investment in the project and they granted the source code and the trademarks to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). The presentation is intended to inform about the current status, the future and to clarify many wrong and misleading communication around the project. Future plans will be based on discussions here on the list and the proposed 4.0 features etc. Juergen I actually have to prepare another, more technical, talk for the same event so having a standard presentation template to start with would be good. Pedro. --- Sab 11/2/12, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto: I'm not sure it would help in this particular case, but we should probably develop a standard project overview presentation that we can keep up-to-date and translate. Cover the basics of what AOO is as a product, platforms, languages, functionality, standards supported, etc., then discuss Apache and AOO as a project, and then end with future plans and an invitation to get involved. If we had such a 20 slide presentation, it would make it easier for project members, and other interested parties, to help spread the word at smaller events. Is there a standard Apache presentation template? -Rob //drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: ooo-users-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: ooo-users-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: BSDCan (was Re: OpenOffice.org meetup in Holland)
HI, On 14 February 2012 10:52, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/14/12 2:50 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi. On 14 February 2012 03:19, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/14/12 6:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Juergen, would you accept constructive critique? sure ;-) Given that your presentation effectively would be representing the work being done and to be done, it would be good to have clear, forceful language…. and last I heard, English as she is spoke is me native tongue. ;-) If the paper will be accepted (and I hope it will) I will give the presentation in German. The last time I have presented at LinuxTag I start in English and switched then to German because the audience preferred German. Juergen Okay; thanks. I think that it would actually be useful to have your presentation, esp. if it includes or references technical details, available for others outside of LinuxTag. I think the idea comes up already to prepare a presentation that can be translated and used at different events etc. Yes, I know. But I also know that having more than one option is a good option. -louis
Re: OpenOffice.org meetup in Holland
On 11 February 2012 17:19, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 11 February 2012 15:44, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... Is there a standard Apache presentation template? No. There are some resources that you can use in official presentations [1] but most projects prefer to develop their own templates. That being said, if someone wants to create a template in AOO I'd be happy to host it in the speakers section of the ComDev site. Juergen is preparing a comprehensive Where We Are and Where We Are Going presentation for LinuxTag. I think he believes that there is already actual work being done on a presso as discussed here, and I guess I had the impression, too…. Is there? If so, where? Louis Ross: I had not known before of the ComDev site…. interesting. Ross [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
Re: [WWW] Feedback/contact us about the website link needed...
Hi On 10 February 2012 18:52, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I agree with Kay that one reason someone may want to contact us is because there is a problem with the web site itself. I also think that going directly to the mailing list page is perhaps too abrupt. Some free analysis from the top of orcmid's head: yes, really, this was my intention -- but I think Rob's calrification would work for that. I started wondering about this in light of the recent communication re that bad link. How long did it take Rick to figure out who to contact, etc. (I also know we need to get going with some reasonable analysis tool to tract these down *beforehand* if we can) . I didn't mean for this to be a user centric catchall. I can certainly understand the value of a User centric FAQ in this regard. And we may even have one! For issues about the site(s) itself, I think a bottom-of-page link is fine. It might go to another web page that refines the contact based on particular cases (two that should always be prominent and straightforward are for the site and for anything to do with security concerns -- but not directly to ooo-security.). With user issues, taking people directly to bugzilla is effectively a giant FU for ordinary users. A bullet item that links to how to file a bug and also links directly to bugzilla is good, so experts don't have to do the drill-down. (Might need a branch for those needing a bugzilla account too.) [Something like this might help refine the security case as well.] I think you're right on this one. BZ is too daunting jut to report a link problem unless we can implement a nicer front end to BZ just for these cases. I will be happy to investigate this. We may even be able to do a proxy login of some sort. Then I think there can be explanation that all other support is peer support from other users and developer volunteers, with some indication about the options (wiki, forums, web site, mailing-list subscriptions, and bugzilla) and how to search/explore/choose among them. This would probably be right after something about web site issues and security concerns. Third tier on some of these might be FAQ that provide more detail and help users address common concerns. (I.e., what to do when an AV product says their download is infected, what the project does to ensure the integrity of binaries and how to find those to be confident in them, how to check their authenticity, etc. That's been going around lately.) Finally, of course, there is always the welcoming of those who might want to themselves contribute to an aspect that is a concern or interest for them. yes... :) I hope this is reasonably covered in the revisions to the Help Wanted page I made, but, of course, it's an ongoing process. I suppose I should put myself in this last category, although I am not prepared to figure out how to work on such a page [set]. Sorry. - Dennis Thanks for the feedback from everyone, I will investigate options further. -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 09:43 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [WWW] Feedback/contact us about the website link needed... On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] Another way to think of it: 99.99% of the time, if a user actually needs to contact us, then the website has failed its purpose. We can only handle 100 million users if, for the vast majority of cases, they can self-support themselves via the website's navigation and find what they want. So the challenge here is to handle the exceptional 0.01% of cases, without becoming the path of least resistance for the other 99.99%. -Rob Rob-- I understand what you're saying, believe me. I guess I feel we should provide an easier avenue for people to report problems with the site itself. I'm also aware that if I just put in a simple link with a mailto tag, many folks won't be able to deal with that because they won't have a default e-mail client. How about a Contact Us link that directs them to our existing Mailing List page -- http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html. We could add a bit more description to the Development Mailing List to indicate that it would be used for submitting questions/problems about the web site. Or do you think it would be best to direct them to BZ? Briefly: the Contact Us link usually went to me, in OOo. The traffic can be high or low; low if one does it right, and routes people appropriately. Basic rules apply: you don't answer how-to questions, unless you are a masochist. You answer the other, much fewer in number, questions. I volunteer to continue in the role I've grown mossy over. I also think that IFF we are intending to replicate some of the
Re: new member and proposition
Sylvain, On 11 February 2012 10:53, Sylvain DENIS sylvain.tech...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a new member and new follower. I work with E.Bachard on the project EducOOo (OpenOffice Education). I have 39 years and i'm a french guy living and working in Belgium for the Education in Communauté francaise (or Fédération Wallonie Bruxelles). I hope to become a representative for AOO in Belgium, if you want??? I am really tired of this information that makes LibreOffice. see this info: http://www.tux-planet.fr/infographie-sur-les-developpeurs-et-contributeurs-a-libreoffice/ http://www.tux-planet.fr/infographie-sur-les-developpeurs-et-contributeurs-a-libreoffice/%20(in french) http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/02/02/fosdem-preview/ (in english) Could we not do the same for Apache OpenOffice thanks for your attention and sorry for my english -- Librement, Sylvain DENIS *ICT FLOSS Specialist* *RSRSi (Responsable Sécurité et Risques des Systèmes d'information)* Site perso: http://www.sylvain-denis.be http://www.sylvaintechnic.be Educoo http://www.educoo.be *Merci de ne m'envoyer que des fichiers aux formats interopérables (odf,ods,odp) et d'éviter les autres (doc, docx, xls, xlsx, ppt, pptx).* Did anyone reply to your query? I didn't see any response to your particular point, to become a representative of AOO in Belgium. AOO is not OOo. AOO is part of Apache and is a Podling. I am not even sure we even have the category of representative, and if we do, I'd be interested to know what* is being represented: Apache? AOO (same thing, almost), or what? When I wanted to blog on the milestone successes, Apache presumed I meant to do it as a representative. I did not, as I do not presume to represent Apache, and as I have been declaring in nearly every post, the past is past, this is the present and the future. So, we may--maybe have already--representatives, as we did with OOo. But? That said, as Ross hinted in another post, simply because Apache qua Apache does not have, by intention, the same sort of enduser outreach as OOo did, does not mean that other friendly collaborative entities cannot assume that role, though the representativeness of the entity would have to be approved by the PPMC, or similar authority, I'd guess. Louis
Re: Blog idea: interviews with AOO developers
Hi On 2012-02-15, at 17:00 , Donald Harbison wrote: On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Something like this: 1. Email interview off-list with an AOO contributor. Questions like: tell us about yourself, where you live, what you do for a living. What is your development machine? How did you start working with OpenOffice? Why? What is your favorite contribution? What other OSS projects do you work with? Stuff like that. 2. Interview might take several exchanges via email, to follow up on questions. Interviewer then assembles this into a draft, reviews with interviewee. 3. Interviewer then posts as a blog post, hopefully with a photograph of the interviewee. We have a lot of interesting people working on this project. So I think we could have a lot of interesting posts from this. Any volunteers to be interviewed? Any volunteers to do the interviewing? So far, all who commented think this is a great idea, not no one wants to volunteer. I'll happily volunteer. Thanks for the prong. Yes, I'd like to volunteer--and also as an interviewer. As I had written before, I'd done this for OOo and it was both fun and rewarding for all. -louis
Re: LinuxFest Northwest 2012
Hi, On 20 February 2012 19:48, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: This event is in Bellingham, Washington, on April 28-29. Bellingham is between Seattle, Washington US, and Vancouver, British Columbia Canada on US Interstate I-5. I expect to be around at that time though I am probably not a good candidate for a LinuxFest. I believe there are a few others in the area, though. Uhm. Dennis, I disagree. :-) You'd be great. Louis - Dennis -Original Message- From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Louis R Suárez-Potts Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 16:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator Subject: Fwd: LinuxFest Northwest 2012 All A notice from Brill Wright, board member of LinuxFest Northwest: a quick heads-up that LinuxFest Northwest is still open for Presenters, Exhibitors and Sponsorships. If you are interested, you can check out http://linuxfestnorthwest.org Best, Bill Wright Bill subsequently wrote, We had a table at ApacheCon in Vancouver, Canada last year and had a great time. I am hoping to get some Apache representation this year at our event. FYI, we still have an offer to give any Apache Foundation folks a free table, to reciprocate for their hospitality. Any help you can give us within your scope of influence will sure be appreciated! Those interested can contact Bill at: bill[at]blug.org. -louis
Fwd: Article to be approved for list dev
Hi Forwarded here is some housekeeping. Lars used to be the NLC lead for SV--long ago. Per took it over but then time overtook OOo and it all becomes moot. See below for Lars' requests. I do not think I can fulfil them, and am simply amazed that the old site continues to exist as something other than a memory. If some one can help Lars, please. I asked him if it was okay to forward this message to the the list an he wrote, in effect, yes. Thanks Louis -- Hi, Louis, 1) I'm unable to find the link on sv.openoffice.org that takes me to the mailing list management pages. Can you forward that link to me or else take me off as a list moderator for the dev@ list below? Thanks. Also, I see my name is still listed as being active in sv.openoffice.org: http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html Could you contact the person with write access to that page and have my name removed? I have not been active since 2008 or so in the Swedish community but still get mail from time to time. Last week, I got yet another mail. Thanks for your help and patience. Regards /Lars Original Message Subject: Article to be approved for list dev from m...@holdmail.ru Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:16:31 + (GMT) From: dev-requ...@sv.openoffice.org Reply-To: sy...@sv.openoffice.org To: dev-edi...@sv.openoffice.org To distribute the attached message in list dev: mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=DISTRIBUTE%20dev%20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : DISTRIBUTE dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab To distribute the attached message in list dev and whitelist the sender: mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=DISTRIBUTE%20dev%20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab%20WHITELIST Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : DISTRIBUTE dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab WHITELIST To reject it (it will be removed): mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=REJECT%20dev%20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : REJECT dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab To reject it (it will be removed) and blacklist the sender: mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=REJECT%20dev%20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab%20BLACKLIST Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : REJECT dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013ab BLACKLIST Number of messages awaiting moderation for this list : 18 ---BeginMessage--- Мотивация торгового персонала. Советы руководителям. 24 февраля, г. Москва, БЦ Виктория Плаза Регистрация на обучение по телефону: 8 (495) 921 30 17 Сколько платить менеджерам по продажам? Как сделать так, чтобы менеджеры стремились к увеличению продаж? Как правильно внедрить новую систему мотивацию? Нужны ли Вам нормативы? Как их правильно внедрить? В программу включено: 1. Какие существуют способы эффективной борьбы с продавцами (сейлз-менеджерами) за увеличение продаж? Переход к системе: Мотивация-это то, что сотрудник делает сам для себя. Анализ стимулирующих факторов: материальный фактор; нематериальные факторы. 2. Как спрогнозировать объем продаж? Методики составления плана продаж. Экспертные. Экстраполяционные. Сравнение методик: когда какую применять? Разбор практической методики. 3. Как построить систему материального стимулирования? Стимулирование и мотивирование менеджеров по продажам. Построение системы стимулирования сотрудников. Разбор типичных ситуаций и ошибок в подходе к мотивированию. Материальное стимулирование. Формулы расчета заработной платы (бонусы, премиальные, надбавки). Разбор практической методики. 4. Какие существуют способы нематериального стимулирования? Спортивный интерес (азарт), свобода действий и т.д. 5. Как эффективно осуществлять подбор менеджеров по продажам? Сценарий интервью. Анализ ответов соискателя. Работа с кадровыми агентствами. Как избежать ловушки. Стоимость участия составляет - 9000 рублей. Место проведения: м. Бауманская, ул. Бауманская, д.6, бизнес центр Виктория Плаза. В стоимость входит методический материал, обеды, кофе-паузы, сертификат. ---End Message---
Re: Article to be approved for list dev
Thanks P. and thanks, D. -louis On Monday, 27 February 2012, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Done but it may take a while to appear ... Pedro. On 02/26/12 05:45, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi Forwarded here is some housekeeping. Lars used to be the NLC lead for SV--long ago. Per took it over but then time overtook OOo and it all becomes moot. See below for Lars' requests. I do not think I can fulfil them, and am simply amazed that the old site continues to exist as something other than a memory. If some one can help Lars, please. I asked him if it was okay to forward this message to the the list an he wrote, in effect, yes. Thanks Louis -- Hi, Louis, 1) I'm unable to find the link on sv.openoffice.org that takes me to the mailing list management pages. Can you forward that link to me or else take me off as a list moderator for the dev@ list below? Thanks. Also, I see my name is still listed as being active in sv.openoffice.org: http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/native-lang.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html Could you contact the person with write access to that page and have my name removed? I have not been active since 2008 or so in the Swedish community but still get mail from time to time. Last week, I got yet another mail. Thanks for your help and patience. Regards /Lars Original Message Subject: Article to be approved for list dev from m...@holdmail.ru Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:16:31 + (GMT) From: dev-requ...@sv.openoffice.org Reply-To: sy...@sv.openoffice.org To: dev-edi...@sv.openoffice.org To distribute the attached message in list dev: mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=DISTRIBUTE%**20dev%** 20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa3290**13ab Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : DISTRIBUTE dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013**ab To distribute the attached message in list dev and whitelist the sender: mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=DISTRIBUTE%**20dev%** 20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa3290**13ab%20WHITELIST Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : DISTRIBUTE dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013**ab WHITELIST To reject it (it will be removed): mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=REJECT%20dev%** 20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa3290**13ab Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : REJECT dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013**ab To reject it (it will be removed) and blacklist the sender: mailto:sy...@sv.openoffice.org?subject=REJECT%20dev%** 20743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa3290**13ab%20BLACKLIST Or send a message to sy...@sv.openoffice.org with the following subject : REJECT dev 743d9cf0a6014a6fa4c7c4fa329013**ab BLACKLIST Number of messages awaiting moderation for this list : 18 -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
Re: ImSoftwareSystems QA team
Hi Ram, et al. I second Don's welcome, and would also like to ask about the place of ImSoftwareSystems. I mean that both literally--where are you located?--as well as more figuratively: Where do you see growth for AOO? India, and more generally, the region, used to be very active in OpenOffice.org, but in the last few years that activity has seemingly (if not actually) diminished. Perhaps you can shed light on what is going on? BTW, OOo used to have numerous Indic language projects. I'd be very interested in re-igniting these. Cheers, Louis On 2012-03-26, at 06:17 , q...@imsoftwaresystems.com q...@imsoftwaresystems.com wrote: Hi All, From ImSoftwareSystems there are 4 people participating in the qa of AOO. Let me introduce myself. I am Ram babu Veeranki, I did my Master of Technology in Industrial Engineering. I have around 13 years of Software Development experience. I have worked for IBM for long time and resigned around 1 year back and started this company recently. 1.Kishore Vaka has around 7 years of QA experience.He worked for companies like Nokia,IBM. He did his Masters in computer applications. He leads the QA team. 2.Neelima T - She has Masters in Computer applications.She is a member of the QA team. 3.Swamy - He has bachelors degree in Engineering with specialisation in Electronics. He is a member of the QA team. 4.Kavita - She holds Bachelor's degree in Commerce. She involves in QA occasionally. 5.Janaki Devi - She holds Bachelor of Engineering in Computer science.She is a member if the QA team. Thanks Regards, Im Software Systems
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
Hi, On 2012-03-23, at 12:03 , Kay Schenk wrote: On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. I think nixing IP addresses is a necessity, if one were to publish this data, as is informing the downloader of the privacy issues. FWIW, we used to use several means to track downloads of the binaries. None was particularly great and none satisfied the desires of corporate marketing. And all made some in the corporate hierarchy uncomfortable, if only because a download of a binary is hardly the same as a contribution to source. We used Google Analytics but also, as was then called, Omniture. Selected data were published in graphical form to the services wiki. In addition, more or less from the start, I published spreadsheets of downloads, and particularized it according to language but not region. (I also listed OS of version downloaded.) There were many problems to these spreadsheets, as I noted at http://stats.openoffice.org/, not least of which was spurious duplication and misleading numeration. What I always desired was a mechanism by which a successful download could call home, thus supplying rather useful information. In the end, a version of just this was indeed done, via update calls, extensions, etc. However, there was no direct insertion of such a mechanism. If we were ever to do that, I would argue that we do need then to inform any would-be downloader of the privacy issues. -louis PS Roberto asked me about the old data and if it a) was extant and b) reflected geolocation. Answers: It was not extant, and I didn't keep the raw data. (I could probably find it stuffed into some archive, but why? As I pointed out to Roberto, the ODF Alliance information regarding ODF uptake is actually a better indicator, as most ODF implementations they track were or are based on OOo.)
Re: ImSoftwareSystems QA team
Hi All, On 2012-03-26, at 10:48 , q...@imsoftwaresystems.com wrote: Hi Louis Suárez-Potts , We are located @ Hyderabad,Andhra Pradesh, India.It is part of South India .We speak Telugu. A big percentage of the indian software programmers in USA are from this region. Nice to know where you are. Last time I was in Hyderabad--several years ago, I believe, much to my regret, for I liked it a lot and its since changed enormously, I've read--I met with the then minister of education and also with the relevant ICT ministers and their aides, and also gave a recorded lecture on contributing to OpenOffice.org and taught a class on open source and OOo contributions. Telugu of course has long been supported by OpenOffice.org (for about 8 years, at least), not least because of its importance in Southern India. I'm sorry that the contributions by the Telugu team seems to have dissipated. I can put you in touch, probably, with former members of it, though the passage of time has likely also meant the passage of people. -louis Thanks Regards, Ram, Im Software Systems. On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:10:18 -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ram, et al. I second Don's welcome, and would also like to ask about the place of ImSoftwareSystems. I mean that both literally--where are you located?--as well as more figuratively: Where do you see growth for AOO? India, and more generally, the region, used to be very active in OpenOffice.org, but in the last few years that activity has seemingly (if not actually) diminished. Perhaps you can shed light on what is going on? BTW, OOo used to have numerous Indic language projects. I'd be very interested in re-igniting these. Cheers, Louis On 2012-03-26, at 06:17 , q...@imsoftwaresystems.com q...@imsoftwaresystems.com wrote: Hi All, From ImSoftwareSystems there are 4 people participating in the qa of AOO. Let me introduce myself. I am Ram babu Veeranki, I did my Master of Technology in Industrial Engineering. I have around 13 years of Software Development experience. I have worked for IBM for long time and resigned around 1 year back and started this company recently. 1.Kishore Vaka has around 7 years of QA experience.He worked for companies like Nokia,IBM. He did his Masters in computer applications. He leads the QA team. 2.Neelima T - She has Masters in Computer applications.She is a member of the QA team. 3.Swamy - He has bachelors degree in Engineering with specialisation in Electronics. He is a member of the QA team. 4.Kavita - She holds Bachelor's degree in Commerce. She involves in QA occasionally. 5.Janaki Devi - She holds Bachelor of Engineering in Computer science.She is a member if the QA team. Thanks Regards, Im Software Systems
Re: After AOO 3.4, attracting new contributors
Hi, On 2012-03-19, at 08:41 , Rob Weir wrote: Any ideas and the best ways how we can improve in this area after AOO 3.4 releases? Lots, and these would complement the rather good ideas already proposed. What we did at OOo actually worked--to attract developers and contributors of all sorts. What worked against us I do not think I need spell out, but the cussedness of the code was not really the determining factor. What really would help, besides giving would-bes a clean entry, is to have mentors, more or less do-able tasks that are identified as such. (We tried getting to this many times, and I strongly urged my erstwhile colleagues in this area for, uhm, years. Finally happened, and we got our to-dos but still not clearly identified according to level of difficulty. I can conceive of several here whose work would assist in the identification of tasks newbies could approach--and even post-newbies-and perhaps even in mentoring.) Also, what helps tremendously is what we are doing already: presenting a community that is open, friendly, and generally has a good attitude about what it is doing and where it is going. There are millions using OOo as their primary ODF implementation, and those mostly include those who have come to it via the national or sub-national government agency. I think it's about time that they are looking to AOO for the next step. And I can think of at least two, and probably more, national bodies so interested. Do these give us developers straight away? I don't know. The problem with OOo was, as [not] said ultimately political, not codical (comical?). Engaging these longtime users, as well as new ones, with the possibilities represented by this community, which is open and unencumbered--ought to be easier. My own approach is to focus on ODF and on the benefits offered not only by the AOO implementation but by its community. -louis
Re: Swedish OO
Jan, On 2012-04-04, at 09:39 , Jan Öhman wrote: Hello! I don't know where I can ask my question, but I want to try this e-mail adress :-) Let's see if I can help answering… A week ago I thought install OO. I tried http://www.openoffice.org/sv/ - Download - It didn't work Now I get the file .: OOo_3.3.o_Win_x86_install-wJRE_sv.exe (146MB) It's ok! (but why?) When I tried to use us...@sv.openoffice.org - it doesn't work. All pages from sv.openoffice.org is failed. Yes. As well, I do think that the project members no longer are engaged there. The SV project never had a very strong presence. What is happen with the Swedish version of OO or e-mailing list? As we have been discussing here, there has been evolution regarding the various NL projects. Now is the time to re-form the SV one! :-) This means that we need--and you can be well included--to engage those interested in localization, QA, etc., for SV. Best Louis When is an upgrade? //Jan Ö
Re: [WWW] Australian OO site
Hi, On 2012-04-06, at 06:28 , Ian wrote: Hi All, I found this http://www.openoffice.org.au/ is it part of the Apache World .. or should it be? I can't see how recent it is, but it should probably be brought into line with the current world? Cheers, Ian I recall the creation, I believe. There are others--many--that exist. Some have country codes attached, as the South African one. To bring them in from the cold, as it were (if not into the fold) does require, I should think, some simple and clear protocols, like: * license policy coherence * participation and representation: what function do these satellite sites serve? During the Sun/Oracle regime, many members created these for a couple of reasons, one of them being anxiety that as Sun had no evident interest the first 9 years of OOo's life of doing so, other, less friendly interests might squat on the URLs. Another reason was that Sun's license policy, including the infamous copyright assignment requirement for all code contributed, was seen as oppressive by these, who created the satellites using different licensing regimes. Finally, another reason was simply to have a home base for operations--soft, friendly, ultimately helpful diversions--not forks. I had proposed long ago to weakly coordinate these satellites if only by listing them. I moved ahead with this under the Regional Community program, and there were some successes. The point here, though, was that the regionals could establish NGO funding more easily, as tax provisions across nations (even supranational orgs) lead to insanity and lawyer wealth. With Apache, much of the above changes and renders moot or irrelevant many of the reasons for the satellites' creation. But the satellites also offer a great feature: local representation for local engagement of local developers and contributors. In the end, development is greatly assisted by knowing your community as people, not just as an email or IM alias. And it's really that people make the difference in a community of this sort. Else it's just theatre. cheers Louis PS I realize I also own now openoffice.ca, which of course I'd be happy to shape into something for AOO's furtherance.
Re: [WWW] Australian OO site
Rob, I'd suggest rather than normalizing one simply approaches the site owner and talk: inform them of the new order, as it were. Louis On 2012-04-06, at 13:36 , Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Ian i...@amham.net wrote: Hi All, I found this http://www.openoffice.org.au/ is it part of the Apache World .. or should it be? I can't see how recent it is, but it should probably be brought into line with the current world? It is not hosted at a domain that we control. But the domain name openoffice.org.au would probably suggest to the visitor that it is affiliated with the project. But it also has a disclaimer at the bottom of the page that says OpenOffice.org.au is an independent website assisting with the promotion, marketing and distribution of the world renound OpenOffice.org Office Productivity Suite. and also OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark. It uses the project's trademarks, including name, and logos. But it links back to our site for downloads and community. The site owners are also monetizing the page via advertising. So the practical harm to our users is much less than those sites that offer the users adulterated versions of OpenOffice.org downloads. I think this is something we can normalize once we define a standard community logo that can be used more freely than our official project logo. -Rob Cheers, Ian
Re: Is there any way to reach extension authors?
Hi, On 2012-04-12, at 15:57 , Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/12/12 4:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Roberto Galoppinirgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: I think it would be good if we could get them the message that AOO 3.4 should be released soon, and that they are invited to download/install our latest dev back and verify that their extensions work and make any needed updates. We would point them also to the details of the changes described in the readme file. Of course, we hope that no changes are needed, but it is worth checking. How would we get such a message out? There is no mailing list of extension authors, right? We could contact Extensions' authors via direct mailing. How? Is this something that SF can send out, if we draft the text? Also, is there any community mailing list or forum for extension authors? I guided all subscribers of the former api and extensions dev mailing list to our ooo-dev list. I think it actually also makes sense to initiate a new effort to get extension writers. We did this several years ago, but at the time, b/c of the typical politics of some big corporations, we ran up against some obstacles, that I think won't exist now. What I would like to do, then, is to have a programme that could work with community colleges such as Seneca, with which I have contacts and with which OOo had worked before, and with universities Eric B. has worked with. As well, with the many smaller companies making up the ecosystem. Do keep in mind that we realized many years ago that the best way to expand the developer and contributor community of OOo was via the extensions. It was this idea that impelled me, that compelled Juergen, that stimulated the early creators of the Extensions project. louis Juergen -Rob Roberto -Rob This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: [ooo-site]
Hi, On 2012-04-12, at 15:35 , Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:26 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 10:05 -0400, drew wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 07:44 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 03:47 +0200, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 12.04.12 03:40, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Rob, You are missing that Kay changed the subject and then had a back and forth with Marcus to solve this trouble. And the end result is that the page still says nothing about Apache, incubation or how to get involved with the project? I dunno about you, but I think we still have a problem. The Feed is from the http://www.oooforum.dk/ so it's not maintained by OOo. I think we have no danish people here atm who can make a update. I propose to delete this feed on the dk site to avoid confusion. The update from the site is a different storry. but this problem exist on the moast NLC pages Hi Raphael Well, I wouldn't necessarily go along with that idea. I'd say http://www.oooforum.dk/ is every bit as valid a community resource as the user services forums every were or are. I'd go with something in the middle. ooforum.dk is a resource. So we should have a link to it. But it should not have its contents imported wholesale into a top, central position of the webpage, as if it were the voice of the AOO project. Its current prominence gives it the appearance of official notifications from the project, which they are not. That, combined with the total lack of actual project project notifications, would confuse users. They are acting at that forum in all material respects the same as the user services forums, the only difference being a somewhat more prominent LibO image (not an official one btw). I have no problem with the work they are doing on their own forums. The issue is with the user-facing Danish page at openoffice.org. That page does not seem to be maintained at all, which is the concern that Raphael and I are pointing out. So, does the sub-domain need upkeep - I guess, but I can see no reason to remove the feed from that forum. If no one steps forward to maintain that page (and the Norwegian one) I'll find translators to translate the generic page into those languages, so we have the basics at least covered for users. And I will remove the pages from the website - if there is no community to back it up they should not be there. This is now a community project not a corporate project yes? Speaking of which I would also remove, would encourage removal of, the az sub-domain and the by sub-domain as it seems there is no maintenance on the pages and what links are there, for instance to an external repository, are now dead. In the specific case of the Danes and Norwegians - I would recommend that we talk with them, using what seems like the only active channel right now and that is their web forums. I don't now maybe they will tell this project to go fly a kite, I rather doubt it, but maybe, you know those Norwegians they are a hot blooded bunch *chuckling*..in which case then sure we make changes to the page that make sense. You are getting into group and identity politics. I'm not going there. I don't care about Danes and Norwegians in the abstract. If any single Dane wants to come here and volunteer to update that page, then to me he is as good as the entire nation. I'm not giving any presumption of greater authority to any other body of Danes that is not volunteering for this project. Also, if a non-Dane who speaks Danish fluently volunteers to update the page, then I am fine with that as well. I second Rob's point. The point of the NLC as we constituted it, and as I pretty strongly insisted, was that if X needs to be done, then it be done: it matters not who does it as long as it is done according to the provisions and protocols of the project. That means if it is bad it's there to be made better. National politics **do not matter**. Regional issues are also pragmatic. See, I have rather strong political beliefs which, for the life of me, I cannot fathom why I seem to be more or less alone in holding. :-) But I accept the help from just about anyone who is not actively harming others or promoting that sort of harm. So, despite my being an atheist and libertarian anarchist in some areas, I find myself eating at the same table as religious zealots of decided conservative views. And we have a good dinner and eat the food we've made together. That said, if you want to talk to anyone and encourage Danes to volunteer here, then great. No one is stopping you. Whatever Danes you find, plus whatever I find, will by definition be the community of volunteers who maintain that page. There are many Danes who've done excellent work on OOo and
Re: Is there any way to reach extension authors?
Agreed with Christoph and others. The next step? louis On 13 April 2012 00:13, Christoph Jopp j...@gmx.de wrote: Am 12.04.2012 17:45, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2012-04-12, at 15:57 , Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/12/12 4:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Roberto Galoppinirgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: I think it would be good if we could get them the message that AOO 3.4 should be released soon, and that they are invited to download/install our latest dev back and verify that their extensions work and make any needed updates. We would point them also to the details of the changes described in the readme file. Of course, we hope that no changes are needed, but it is worth checking. How would we get such a message out? There is no mailing list of extension authors, right? We could contact Extensions' authors via direct mailing. How? Is this something that SF can send out, if we draft the text? Also, is there any community mailing list or forum for extension authors? I guided all subscribers of the former api and extensions dev mailing list to our ooo-dev list. I think it actually also makes sense to initiate a new effort to get extension writers. We did this several years ago, but at the time, b/c of the typical politics of some big corporations, we ran up against some obstacles, that I think won't exist now. What I would like to do, then, is to have a programme that could work with community colleges such as Seneca, with which I have contacts and with which OOo had worked before, and with universities Eric B. has worked with. As well, with the many smaller companies making up the ecosystem. Do keep in mind that we realized many years ago that the best way to expand the developer and contributor community of OOo was via the extensions. It was this idea that impelled me, that compelled Juergen, that stimulated the early creators of the Extensions project. Would it make sense to start with a new list, ooo-extension-authors or similar, with the aim to: 1) Develop a community of extension authors, where they can share tips and techniques with each other, as well as with the AOO programmers. 2) Provide a single place where the AOO PMC can give head's up warning of API changes or additions, advertise the availability of new dev snapshots, and in general try to coordinate a release cycle where AOO releases are accompanied by simultaneous availability high quality 3rd party extensions. 3) Provide a place for new extension authors to ask questions and get support I think in most Apache projects, the users list would be where such topics would be handled. But our users are end users, not developer users. So we would want a different list for this. (ooo-dev was another logical place for this, but I think the traffic level would be a deterrent for someone who is only interested in extensions) +1000 to all three points. -Rob louis Juergen -Rob Roberto -Rob This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Marketing Conference call minutes
HI all Would it be possible to use plaintext in email messages? Using unmodified formats such as the one here produces what seem to be unexpected results. Louis On 2012-04-17, at 19:49 , Eric Otchet wrote: Minutes from our conference call on April 17 are posted to the wiki .. Here is a link https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Conference+Call+Meeting+Minutes Thanks to those who joined. Next call will be scheduled in approximately 30 days. Regards, Eric _ Eric Otchet Product Manager - Symphony | eotc...@us.ibm.com IBM Corporation | IBM Collaboration Solutions +1 732.424.7229 (phone) | +1 732.312.8403 (mobile) | 404-7229 (tie-line) Lotus Symphony
Re: Marketing Conference call minutes
Thanks, Eric. Louis On 2012-04-17, at 22:43 , Eric Otchet wrote: Louis, Sorry didn't realize there was a problem using Notes. I'll use my gmail acct in the future. Sent from my iPad using Lotus Traveler On Apr 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: HI all Would it be possible to use plaintext in email messages? Using unmodified formats such as the one here produces what seem to be unexpected results. Louis On 2012-04-17, at 19:49 , Eric Otchet wrote: Minutes from our conference call on April 17 are posted to the wiki .. Here is a link https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Conference+Call+Meeting+Minutes Thanks to those who joined. Next call will be scheduled in approximately 30 days. Regards, Eric _ Eric Otchet Product Manager - Symphony | eotc...@us.ibm.com IBM Corporation | IBM Collaboration Solutions +1 732.424.7229 (phone) | +1 732.312.8403 (mobile) | 404-7229 (tie-line) Lotus Symphony
Re: Seeking PPMC volunteers for shared project Twitter account
Me: @luispo I can cover large sections of snowy landmass, and I tweet in English. On 2012-04-19, at 08:26 , Rob Weir wrote: I can support up to 10. Please send me your Twitter account name. Also follow the account here: https://twitter.com/#!/apacheoo I'll give you access to the account and send you instructions for how to use it. (Group accounts work a little differently than normal Twitter accounts). Ideally we'd have some geographical and language coverage. -Rob
Re: rollApp Launches Free Beta “OpenOffice on iPad” Cloud-Service
Hi On 2012-04-20, at 13:54 , Ross Gardler wrote: On 20 April 2012 12:36, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This was mentioned in the ODF Plugfest today, in Louis's presentation, an interesting use of OpenOffice configured to run on the iPad: http://blog.rollapp.com/2012/04/rollapp-launches-free-beta-openoffice.html Rather than recompiling for a tablet, it looks like they are taking a remoting approach with virtualized UI. This allows them to run apps like OpenOffice unmodified. Great interim technology. If they are not already here I hope someone is reaching out to them and suggesting they might want to work on embedding UI hooks for their platform. I imagine many things are clunky when you don't have real mouse actions (no double click, chunky fingers etc. Such hooks would be useful in many other ways too. I am indeed. They are fairly new to open source but clearly deeply interested in it and what can be done with it. I guess they are sure they will get it into the app store, but I would imagine some concerns about them providing an app store separate from Apples. No such problems for Android though - I want it. :-) For me, there are numerous issues related to distributing open source apps in this fashion but none is insurmountable or particularly critical, just interesting. Cheers, Louis Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: rollApp Launches Free Beta “OpenOffice on iPad” Cloud-Service
On 2012-04-20, at 13:36 , Rob Weir wrote: This was mentioned in the ODF Plugfest today, in Louis's presentation, an interesting use of OpenOffice configured to run on the iPad: http://blog.rollapp.com/2012/04/rollapp-launches-free-beta-openoffice.html Rather than recompiling for a tablet, it looks like they are taking a remoting approach with virtualized UI. This allows them to run apps like OpenOffice unmodified. -Rob Thanks, Rob, for mentioning this. The basic fact is that we need to have ODF on the mobile, iOS or Android or whatever, as there is no realistic alternative to the billions coming to computers over the next decade, if not sooner. My presentation, which I'll send to the ODF site, argued that tablets and the like are requisite because they use less resources in comparison to desktops. As at present native apps able to edit ODF on the tablet are not too visible (to a degree they exist or will emerge into the light soon) and even when they do emerge might require, at least for the current period, more powerful and thus more costly and hotter machines, Cloud solutions (Web software services) coupled with thin clients (read: tablets) seems the best interim solution (as Ross states in another threaded email). But this is also the way things are going, to the happiness, no doubt, of former Sunnies: network is the computer, eh? From an open source development perspective, there are logistical issues here but again none is particularly problematical, as long as those wanting to collaborate have a way of doing that and know they do. -louis
Re: SPI
Let me contact again the SPI and I'll cc this list. Louis On 2012-04-18, at 02:54 , Ross Gardler wrote: On the ASF side silence is approval, on the SPI side I'd have expected a response by now. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Apr 18, 2012 3:41 AM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: treasu...@spi-inc.org Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 22, 2012 4:33 AM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: That is a good point. It will be included in the proposal. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Just one thought. I don't think the consensus is *just* travel assistance. There needs to be an event to travel to, that will cost money too. I figured the proposal would be for event + travel. there is a hope that Co-location will mean event costs will be very low, but this may not be possible. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 21, 2012 8:08 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ross, I made a proposal and let it rock for 10 days. We have a general consensus on openoffice-dev that the monies should be going to travel-assistance, so how do I proceed from here? Wolf I haven't heard anything about this issue since I sent off the proposal a month ago. Is this a reasonable time period of silence or is it time to nudge somebody again? Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
OpenOffice funds
Hi All, First I'm cc'ing the public list ooo-dev@apache. Communication using that list is public. Second, and the point of this communication: OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's services. These were good, and as the representative from OOo to SPI, I thank you for them. Biut with the Apache fund management system, not only do we not need SPI but having it as the manager of funds accrued prior to the transfer to Apache only complicates matters. We would like to to have those funds transferred via Wire to Apache. I can (or others who know more) supply the relevant bank information for that. I, and others, would like to sort this out soon, as having funds that can be used to further develop the project split among groups, however friendly, is counterproductive. Cheers, Louis
rollApp launches free beta OpenOffice on iPad cloud-service - Press Release - Digital Journal
Nice mention of Apache OO in this press release by and about rollApp. In the recent ODF plugfest, I featured rollApp's deployment of OpenOffice as an immediate solution to using an ODF editor on tablets such as the iPad. There has been, as we all know, and as I have repeatedly urged and tried to organize the development of, a call for an ODF editor (read: OO on the tablet) for a long time….. In the meanwhile, and this really does work…. http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/670497 --- Louis Suárez-Potts, PhD President, Age of Peers Skype: louisiam GTalk: lui...@gmail.com Twitter: @luispo Blog1: http://luispo.wordpress.com/ Blog2: http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/ LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/luispo
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Thanks, Michael! Best Louis On 2012-04-30, at 15:30 , Michael Schultheiss wrote: Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi All, First I'm cc'ing the public list ooo-dev@apache. Communication using that list is public. Second, and the point of this communication: OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's services. These were good, and as the representative from OOo to SPI, I thank you for them. Biut with the Apache fund management system, not only do we not need SPI but having it as the manager of funds accrued prior to the transfer to Apache only complicates matters. We would like to to have those funds transferred via Wire to Apache. I can (or others who know more) supply the relevant bank information for that. I've sent a check for the current OO.org balance to the address listed at http://apache.org/foundation/contributing.html I overlooked the desire to wire the money when I initially read this message. Hopefully the different payment method won't be too much of a hassle. I, and others, would like to sort this out soon, as having funds that can be used to further develop the project split among groups, however friendly, is counterproductive. The check should be received by 2012-05-04. -- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schul...@spi-inc.org
Re: Getting Started with AOO book
Jean, et al. On 2012-05-01, at 06:23 , Jean Weber wrote: The lack of interest in this book is quite conspicuous, and very demotivating for me to continue to work on it. I've put the updated draft chapters on the ODFAuthors website and will put the compiled draft book there soon. Then I'll go back to my travel photos and to the LibreOffice books. Someone can let me know if/when anything happens at AOO userdocs. Cheers, Jean One of the crucial elements for developing an ecosystem is to have available, free or not, texts that enable regular users to get started: reference manuals, guides, whatever. During OOo's days, we had a page that pointed people to the Authors' works, and it was accessed. We also had other authors, outside of OOo, such as Solveig, who indirectly highlighted the work being done by the Authors and, more generally, by the Documentation Project, under Frank and Clayton and others. My point: Let's redevelop the ecosystem. It needs several things, documentation is one of them, but also the assurance that there is a code, there, that can be used and supported and migrated to; and that will be developed and enhanced over time. Getting AOO 3.4 out will help immensely. Having immediately available documentation and guides will help, too and in ways that are absolutely requisite for the sustainability of the project. What we can do: There remain some support/service organizations around the world focused on OO and not LO. Notifying them is a bit of pain, as their actual business is unclear to me. But I can think of at least two, and I'm quite sure there are more. Building a list of these is important. We had done something like this, with OOo's consultants' list, but that was unusably large, perpetually out of date, and so on. Having a list of actual providers seems better, but it also means instituting criteria for addition; that is not hard, especially if the Apache OO project is *not* involved as such, as I think it may deviate from the developmental and productive purpose we recognize, but I could be quite wrong here. louis
Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week
On 1 May 2012 17:08, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/30/2012 12:41 PM, Rob Weir wrote: The following tasks are on the wiki and need owners: Manually update the downloads from the Arabic NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Czech NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the German NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Spanish NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the French NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Hungarian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Galacian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Italian NL homepage and subpages (pescetti) Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Dutch NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Brazilian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Russian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Simplified Chinese NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Traditional Chinese NL homepage https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks Only one of them has an owner (Thanks, Andrea!) What needs to be done? We need someone to review these NL pages and identify what needs to be changed to support the AOO 3..4 release. Changes to consider: 1) Branding changes (OpenOffice.org - Apache OpenOffice) 2) Updates to download location, for the 3.4 releases instead of the 3.3 release 3) References to the old LGPL license need to be changed to Apache 2.0 License 4) References to old NLC email addresses, marketing leads, etc., need to be replaced by the new Apache email lists. 5) Other similar changes. You don't need to do a complete rewrite of the pages. But we should refresh the page with information on the AOO 3.4 release. Timeline looks like this: -- Wednesday May 2nd -- Vote ends on approving the 3.4 release -- Thursday-Friday -- Update the mirrors with the release, test the new download websites. -- Over the weekend, additional website updates and testing -- Monday or Tuesday, if everything is working well, then we make public announcement I can't help with any of these but thank you VERY much for the timeline...hopefully good for many of us working away on back-end stuff. So ideally we would have the NL website updates done at the end of this week. However, we should not make them be live on the production server until after the mirrors are populated. Maybe easiest way to coordinate is to submit patches for the changes into BZ? Any other ideas? Any volunteers? -Rob I can see what I can do. I speak or at least utterly destroy by trying to speak, a few of these languages (all but the really cool ones; those are Greek to me, and where is Greek?) But I also think it would be useful to use a BZ issue? Louis
Re: [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - Story tellers wanted
Kevin, On 1 May 2012 23:11, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Do you like to write and tell stories? Do you want to bring an Apple-like approach to designing our products? AOO UX could use your support. To better understand how people integrate our product into their lives, the UX sub-community is looking to author a series of stories and usage scenarios. The goal is to understand how people use AOO, and how they want it to compliment their physical and virtual realities. I am curious and interested in learning how the new UX project relates to Inclusive Design (aka accessibility) paradigms. Thanks Louis Thoughts? Interested?
Universal Network Objects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I was cruising through the Wikipedia pages on OO technology and was struck by the claim on the page below [0] that UNO is licensed under the LGPL. I know it used to be, but now? Perhaps that page ought to be updated, anyway, to reflect Apache OpenOffice's work. (It also raises the interesting question: which organization is now primarily responsible for maintaining UNO?) cheers Louis [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Network_Objects
OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide - Apache OpenOffice.org Wiki
Further reviewing…. This page [0]. the OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide, was last updated in Aug. 2010. It's out of date, though the actual substantial elements--how to develop OO code--are probably still relevant. However, the page (and its brethren) raise the obvious questions. 1. Can we continue to use this page for AOO? And... 2…If this has been already raised, let's move on and just update the page with new identifiers and links pointing to AOO? [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide
Re: Would there be any interest in starting a AOO Group on Launchpad
Likewise, am interested: oulipo. ciao louis On 2 May 2012 16:42, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: You are in. The group is https://launchpad.net/~apacheopenoffice On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: On 5/2/2012 11:41 AM, Wolf Halton wrote: I was about to commit the AOO code to a PPA for myself, but as Drew mentioned, it might be a lot more fun if we started a little team to set up a repo for Ubuntu for the new RC. sign me up... I'm arist at launchpad. Also, I'll be at UDS next week, and I can poke around and see what I can learn and what help we can get. A. Would you like to play? I am good at thrashing things out (even reading the fine manual at times) but I have never set up a PPA before. I have come as far as making a test PPA but I haven't added any files. Apparently Launchpad makes its own debs, so that is not necessary. -Wolf PS earlier messages below... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensendrewjensen.inbox@gmail.** com drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would like to have one of 2 things. 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04 There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you would like. OK, I will. :-) I will post the link up here. Thnx Hi Wolf That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does. BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA? Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea. Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this. //drew ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there. -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1
Congratulations to all and thanks to Juergen, too. But the words are not enough; what is, is use. To that end, I've used the Mac version (and also Linux, though less so) daily, and it has been great. I've also used it with Google Docs, with Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac, with Calligra (KOffice) and others. The application has not disappointed and also not crashed. (I wish I could say the same for other application I find myself using.) One other point. The release process for OOo was as efficient as it could be but also painful to many. I don't think that I've heard similar expressions of frustration and pain here. That's *great*. Cheers, Louis On 2 May 2012 01:46, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1 has concluded. The ballot passed. VOTE TALLY +1: IPMC members: +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Dave Fisher +1 Jim Jagielski For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E Thank you for your support Juergen
Re: Apache branded presentation template?
Hi, On 2012-05-03, at 11:09 , Shane Curcuru wrote: We do not have an official Apache or project-related presentation template currently. Folks looking for potential content to use or mimic may be available on the ComDev project's Speaker Resource page: http://community.apache.org/speakers/index.html If folks do develop a PPMC suggested template, we could definitely put it up there as well. - Shane On 2012-05-03 11:05 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, do we already have an Apache branded presentation template that can we share? I think about a nice template (not overloaded) with Apache OpenOfifce and Apache branding elements that can be used to talk about AOO at any kind of events. Anybody interested in designing one? I'm lousy at design, but I do think we *need* this, as I, for one, do give plenty of presentations around the world and from time to time would find it beneficial to use a PPMC approved template. (Normally, I speak on community strategy, and represent my consultancy, Age of Peers, so it's not an urgent issue for me--but…) Louis Juergen
Re: Introduce
Hello, Liu Tao! On 2012-05-03, at 22:56 , taotao.liu wrote: Hello all, I am LiuTao, glad to meet you in AOO here. I'm from China Standard Software Co.,Ltd. located in Beijing Haidian district. Our team will come soon and join you. Hopefully we can do sth. I'm delighted to see you and your colleague here on this list willing to contribute to Apache OpenOffice. I'm not sure everyone is familiar with your company's past work but if you would care to inform the list, I'd appreciate it. Please let me and the others here know how we can help you and get you and your team going. This community is very friendly, very supportive, and all that we do is transparent and accountable to the community, according to our bylaws. best, Louis PS this, like most other Apache lists, is public. Therefore I'd generally recommend against posting your telephone number and other data Spammers love. regards, LiuTao 2012-05-04 China Standard Software Co., Ltd. LiuTao China Phone: (+86) 010-51659955-8106 http://www.cs2c.com.cn http://modularization.openoffice.org mailto:taotao@cs2c.com.cn
Re: hi
Hello Xu Shanchuan! (BTW, would you be able to use a Roman alphabet name? Not all of us can decipher the ideograms.) On 2012-05-03, at 23:35 , 许山川 wrote: hi,all I am working for the company,China Standard Software Co., Ltd now, Untill now my work mainly covers the SD modules,including the doucument of ppt asynchronism loading and fixing bugs of impress I have several years of experiences in this domain ,and have a strong willing to participate AOOo community. Best Regards, I'm as delighted to greet you as I was your colleague :-) A lot has to be done, and I am sure we will appreciate your experience in this and your wisdom! And I also see your company's great presence here as vital to growing the Beijing and even Chinese open source and OpenOffice community and market. Let me and the rest of us on this list know how we can help you and further ease your way into this very friendly, very global, very sleepless community :-) Oh, as I mentioned to your colleague, you may want to refrain from including your Spam-friendly personal information. This list is public, and most Apache lists are that way, too. Cheers, Louis 2012-05-04 China Standard Software Co., Ltd. Shanchuan Xu hone: (+86) 010-51659955-8110
Re: hi
Hi all I raised earlier off list the idea of (re-)forming a language group focused on ZH localization and operating to support Chinese speakers and those based in Beijing (or wherever it makes sense). We did this in OOo, and it worked …not as well as any of us would have liked. But that was because a single company dominated--a less than desirable situation. The idea, this time around, would be to have members of CS2C, IBM and other organizations (and I can think of a few) to have a place to coordinate, learn, communicate in Chinese while also working with the Apache OO lists in English. Localization would be essential. (ZH in China differs from that used in TW; that can be accommodated: this is a linguistic effort, mostly.) I know that there are others, of course, who are doing this sort of localization effort. My interest lies in developing ecosystems and learning groups that can sustain the efforts. Louis On 2012-05-04, at 02:01 , Peter Junge wrote: Hi Xu Shanchuan, I'm pleased to also meet you here. Peter On 5/4/2012 11:35 AM, 许山川 wrote: hi,all I am working for the company,China Standard Software Co., Ltd now, Untill now my work mainly covers the SD modules,including the doucument of ppt asynchronism loading and fixing bugs of impress I have several years of experiences in this domain ,and have a strong willing to participate AOOo community. Best Regards, 2012-05-04 China Standard Software Co., Ltd. Shanchuan Xu hone: (+86) 010-51659955-8110
Re: Request for pt-BR list (Was: Re: Mailing list pt-BR)
Hi On 2012-05-04, at 09:20 , Claudio Filho wrote: Hi 2012/5/4 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com: In link[1] have information the list pt-br. I sending an test occur problems, see: The list no active ? I went to subscribe (*-subscribe@) was also observed the same problem. 1 - http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html Albino, we haven't a pt-BR list. Wasn't made when i requested it in the past. I think that today we can ask again if we can open a list for brazilian community. +1 from me. Historically, as Claudio and others in the BR community know, I've long endorsed language-specific lists and championed the BR project and effort. But I also really want to stress the importance of communication. As Claudio can also tell, the level of communication between BR and the International group (then, OOo), was imperfect, through no fault of… anyone. I doubt that in the years since humans have grown wings; we still walk on earth and so are never as angelic as others might wish us to be. Still: What protocols will exist to ensure communication? (And this is true for any native-language sub-project or list.) When I suggested the creation of the Regional Projects, I suggested that we use a wiki. Technology has leapt ahead and wikis, too. So, RSS linked to a wiki might be actually useful. Ciao Louis Best, Claudio
Re: hi
Hi, On 4 May 2012 09:52, Yong Lin Ma mayo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I raised earlier off list the idea of (re-)forming a language group focused on ZH localization and operating to support Chinese speakers and those based in Beijing (or wherever it makes sense). We did this in OOo, and it worked …not as well as any of us would have liked. But that was because a single company dominated--a less than desirable situation. Yes, other than covered by different license, not dominated by a single company is the major difference between AOO and OO.o. The idea, this time around, would be to have members of CS2C, IBM and other organizations (and I can think of a few) to have a place to coordinate, learn, communicate in Chinese while also working with the Apache OO lists in English. Localization would be essential. (ZH in China differs from that used in TW; that can be accommodated: this is a linguistic effort, mostly.) It would be not necessary, if this is just for IBM and CS2C teams in Beijing. Cause it would be more effective for the two teams to have conference calls or meet in person. snip I don't exactly disagree with you but I was unclear. I did not mean to usurp the Apache Way or the merits of being a commiter nor the path by which one becomes one. Rather, I wanted to avoid the problem facing the establishment of regional and linguistic groups. That problem is having one or even two companies dominate the effort. Sometimes that's unavoidable. But if it can be the case that other companies and organizations can be involved, then great. And if such involvement is made more likely by having publicly accessible informational projects, which are open to all comers and which *do not* usurp the Apache Way but rather supplement it, then, as far as I can tell, that's good. (Indeed, having conference calls between one company and another seems to reinscribe the problem of having one company dominate, and it further turns a linguistic effort into a very localized one that's also exclusive.) Again: Not to usurp, diminish, alter the way in which one becomes a committer but to open the doors even wider and to engage regionally and linguistically all those who might wish to join. Ciao Louis
[PROPOSAL-NL LISTS]
When we managed the NL lists on OOo, I set up a policy page, http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ . It described far more than I wanted, as I prefer non bureaucratic simplicity and mechanisms that nudge one into conversation, but it was also useful. I suggest the same now. A page on the wiki that simply lays out the sinequanons and what to do to set up a NL list; and if that list has a regional component to it. My interest here is to foster communication, to encourage promulgation and hands-on learning, to get ecosystems and participatory communities going, not to drag people down in the mud of anxious policy. (Not that anyone is doing that here, I hasten to add.) Cheers Louis
Re: [PROPOSAL-NL LISTS]
Hi On 4 May 2012 16:41, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: When we managed the NL lists on OOo, I set up a policy page, http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ . It described far more than I wanted, as I prefer non bureaucratic simplicity and mechanisms that nudge one into conversation, but it was also useful. I suggest the same now. Have you seen this page? http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html Now I have. Maybe that could be enhanced? Let's see. I can add my policy views and keep it real simple but I've done this more than once before and would really prefer to see others' take, too--besides that which is already there. -louis (I even named the native-lang before… sigh…. the more things change, well, that's a bore.) -Rob A page on the wiki that simply lays out the sinequanons and what to do to set up a NL list; and if that list has a regional component to it. My interest here is to foster communication, to encourage promulgation and hands-on learning, to get ecosystems and participatory communities going, not to drag people down in the mud of anxious policy. (Not that anyone is doing that here, I hasten to add.) Cheers Louis
Re: [PROPOSAL-NL LISTS]
Ariel, Rob already pointed me to the wiki; thanks for more. See below. On 4 May 2012 16:45, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: My interest here is to foster communication, to encourage promulgation and hands-on learning, to get ecosystems and participatory communities going, not to drag people down in the mud of anxious policy. (Not that anyone is doing that here, I hasten to add.) I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Proposing the mailing list is rather simple, no rocket-science, nor anxious policy: do the proposal (examples have already been pointed), open a JIRA issue (in this case, re-open it). actually, I'm not proposing anything other than what you itemized. The issue is rather to underscore that legacy policy is not applied here, that this is a new effort. As I was one of the creators of the N-L system, I'm always concerned that the past does not shadow the present and future. That's all. Cheers, Louis
Re: Pages in the social media
Rob, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi 2012/5/6 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: And same here. An official project account should be linking back to the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, naturally we will use it. We have a page here: http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ snip I understand that OpenOffice.org did things differently here. In some sense they compensated for strong corporate control of the code by giving more autonomy to the NLC. That was how they achieved peace with the community, But we don't have that issue here. At Apache everyone has equal freedom to work directly within the project. Sun's Hamburg team lead and, initially, the US elements, considered the NL projects as at best walled gardens and at worst a waste of time. I had to proceed very cautiously with them, until such a point that momentum took over. And it took over:-) The LO/TDF contingent that left was almost entirely the NLC population. Put another way, the NLC were not a palliative, or if it was thought by some to be such, was a rather lousy one. Rather, they were vehicles to seek a sustainable community independent of any one company. The element that *was* mean to bring in people were the extensions, though these too were not palliative. But this too took a rather long time to realise and put into effect, and as some here can attest, it too was proceed with cautiously. But I totally agree with your point that here, in Apache-land, things are fundamentally different and more open, as governance is accountable to Apache and is not directed by the business needs of any single company owning the code. The transition to this model is right now going rather well, all things considered. But what will make the deciding difference, I believe, is to build the ecosystem anew. Louis -Rob In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. Best, Claudio
Re: I am glad to retun to AOO
Robert, As others have mentioned, it's good to have you and the team here-- louis 史周波 wrote: Hi，Eric thank you very much. I don't mention it. regards. robertzhou 于 2012年05月04日 16:29, eric b 写道: Le 4 mai 12 à 07:43, 史周波 a écrit : Hi everyone. Hello, I am glad to return to Apache Openoffice.org I am robertzhou, form china . I am working for cs2c . I am old friend of OpenOffice.org. many years ago, I was working for freamework and developer. I'd like to work for Apache OpenOffice.org. I'm insterting in Aoo performace 、framework 、 chinese localization、UOF . Glad to see people like you join ! Be welcome back, and don't be afraid to ask, comment and participate :-) Regards, Eric Bachard
Re: After AOO 3.4?
Hi, RGB ES wrote: 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com: Hi. We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created polls, and others. We need to get statistics AOO. Best, Albino Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of ideal users with clear needs: students who do their homework, independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of supplies... I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo? Briefly, more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows users. But major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector. Some of the more obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of date. All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one group could be a problem for the others. I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work with the NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private needs for accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do that but we (an extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it to find the developers louis [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments Regards Ricardo
Re: UOF (was Re: Hi everyone I am OOo old friend , My name is robertzhou)
Hi, Peter Junge wrote: On 5/4/2012 11:37 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello everyone; A warm welcome to everyone from China; its great to know that while I sleep, someone in another timezone will be making good use of OpenOffice. ;) I dont know much about UOF but we still have remnants of a homepage for that project: http://www.openoffice.org/uof/ The most important thing to get started would be getting the UOF spec translated into English. Best regards, Peter Let's imagine that we can get the UOF automagically translated... Okay, let's not imagine that. Peter, how should we proceed? By contacting Dr Li? I can volunteer to work with that. But what else would need to be done? Louis
Re: key board setting modifications for blind.
Hi Ravish, Ravish kumar wrote: Sir I am devloping a software with very special functionality.it is for blind people. I want to change settings in the way generally key board is interpreted. for example...if '7' is pressed it is treated as 'a'. if 7 is pressed two times..it is treated as 'b'.three times '7' means 'c'. pressing '8' means d... keyboard interpretation will be similiar to keypad of mobile. is it possible to change the way keyboard is interpreted? plz mail me as soon as possible. I'll let others answer. But for now, are you working with other accessibility groups? There was quite a lot done with OOo already, though I don't know if included the kind of changes you want. I am putting here the (compressed) URL for pages found using accessibility as a search term in the old (and now new) OOo wikis: http://goo.gl/ovvXb -louis best Louis RAVISH (india)
Re: key board setting modifications for blind.
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Louis, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 06:21:40PM -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi Ravish, He is not subscribed to the list ;) Ah. Louis Regards
Re: First News about the Release
In English... below : Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/OpenOffice-meldet-sich-zurueck-1570310.html OpenOffice is back Since Oracle gave the Open Office project in June 2011 to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), the free office suite has been quiet. Now the project team under the new name of version 3.4 has Apache Open Office (AOO) for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X (Intel) enabled. The previous extension . Org has been deleted. Compared to the version 3.3 released in January 2011, there are numerous improvements. With some tweaking to the code word processing, spreadsheet, presentation software and databases now run faster than its predecessor. By AES256 encryption, documents can now better protect against unauthorized access. In the spreadsheet, the previous pilot data in pivot table is renamed and the restriction to 8 fields in the Layout dialog was removed. Other enhancements include revised Im-/Exportfilter for delimited text files (CSV), additional options in the equation editor and Math in the PDF export. All changes are in the Release Notes document. thanks to Google Translate and my own imperfect knowledge; and thanks mostly to the actual release notes. -louis Greetings Raphael
Re: Social Promotion Kit for AOO 3.4
Thanks, Rob and others, this a great page! Louis Anton Meixome wrote: 2012/5/8 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+Social+Promotion+Kit I've started the above page to collect stories and blog posts about the AOO 3.4 release, along with other information that can be used by the community to help promote this new release. I've added some stuff there already. Please help me with more content. If you notice press coverage or other useful information, please update the wiki page. I'm especially short of international coverage. Regards, -rob Hi Rob, and all At this moment, Galician http://www.trasno.net/content/apache-openoffice-34-ve-luz http://blog.openoffice.gl/aoo-apache-openoffice/article/apache-openoffice-3-4 and Facebook, Google+ I'm translating these release notes https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Release+Notes How can I send the translation for availability in child pages? Tomorrow more :-)
Re: [ML] Please state that the mail was approved and that the author is not subscribed to the ML
Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/09/2012 12:07 AM, schrieb Simon Phipps: On 8 May 2012, at 22:55, Marcus (OOo) wrote: When you as ML moderator approve a post to a mailing list, please can you also state that the author is not subscribed to the ML and that everybody who wants to replay has to CC'ing the author? This would be very helpful from the start of the first posting. As a moderator, I am not aware of any way to do this; the moderator has no means to add a comment to an approved posting. It is possible to tell from the message headers that a message has been moderated, so perhaps you could add a rule/macro to your mail client to add the originator as a cc on any reply when this header is present? I remember that it was possible with the old OOo mailing lists. I cannot believe that this is gone even when here a different ML service is working. ;-) If you can tell me how to do it in Thnderbird I can give it a try. Indeed, it was and remains possible with the OOo ML, and we used the same technology, much to the annoyance of some. Probably we can find out by asking those who implemented it what they did, but if I recall, it was a simple insertion of [moderated] via script to the message needing approval. louis Marcus
Re: Introducing myself
Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Hi. 2012/5/8 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org Hello. My name is Paulo. I'm a Claudio and Albino's friend and I would like to help Apache OpenOffice project. Hello my friend, welcome! :) I'm not a developer, but I have some expertise in wikis (Mediawiki, Moinmoin, Trac), translations (I am a former translator for BrOffice Magazine and I helped to create contents for pt-br LibreOffice website and wiki), localization (pootle), websites, blogs, and documentation (many chapters of LibreOffice pt-br documentation have my contribution), etc. Paulo is one of the best I know how to work with the Wiki. It also speaks / reads English very well. I'm sure he will make great contributions. Best, Albino Paulo, hello! It's good to see you here! Louis
Re: Special Thanks to Andrew Rist
Hi Rob Weir wrote: As we celebrate the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, I want to just take moment to recognize one project member who has been very busy, but also very quiet. The transition from Oracle to Apache did not end with Oracle submitting an SGA. That was just the beginning. From coordinating domain name transfers, to helping transition the many legacy online services, to handling administrative requests on legacy servers, to updating license info in source files, and on and on, including stuff I probably don't even know about. Oh, yes, and then he somehow found time to get the buildbots running. So thanks, Andrew, for your steady work on transitioning the project to Apache, and thanks as well to Oracle for making your efforts possible. Regards, +1 From me. Note: Andrew was my colleague during my stint at Oracle. I liked working with him and appreciated his real interest in OOo, the ODF, and the project. I'm grateful he has helped so much to plant the project here. Thanks, Andrew. Louis -Rob
First Year Cake(walk)
I'm not by any stretch the community manager of this new project, AOO, but am like many of you on this list part of it, a member. And as we are shouting out and offering praise, I'd like to thank the community and the Apache group for what has been accomplished. The reviews keep pouring in. Do a simple Google search and you'll see what I mean. And they have been trending positive, at least as of last night, -0500 UTC. The first year is always the hardest, as we have to find our roles and discover the ways to collaborate with the others--and also to learn what has to be done in all regards, from infrastructure, code, governance, and identity. For me, it was an odd and sometimes difficult year, as I discovered how much I'd invested--emotionally, intellectually, socially--in OpenOffice. That it has come out so well and that the product I use every day (and which never crashes on me) is showing itself renewed, refreshed is terrific. But even better is that the collaborators working on it have formed and are forming a real community, one whose governance is open and transparent, one in which evident merit marked by doing is the true measure and one in which everyone is eligible to show their merits. Thanks then not only to Andrew R. and the mentors, but to those who make up the actuality of the Apache way by doing. Cheers, Louis
Re: Shout Out for our Mentors!
+1! Louis Donald Harbison wrote: While we're in the honeymoon period following our successful launch of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, I want to give a special SHOUT OUT! to our mentors. We wouldn't be here at this point in the project's development without your help and counsel. You agreed to take this podling on as huge and gnarly as you knew it would be. OpenOffice is the largest end user-facing project in the history of ASF. Nobody blinked. Your support has been stalwart and steadfast. Lastly, your confidence in us, that we would eventually get most of it right, even if we messed up some things, was most appreciated. It's been a challenge for you, but I trust you are finding it rewarding as we pass this first major milestone of a successful Apache Release, and look forward to building the most successful end user productivity software suite in the history of Apache, for the public good, of course! Thank You!...and you know who you are, so I'm not naming names. :))
Re: How To Install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Via PPA On Ubuntu 12.04/11.10
Hi Rob Weir wrote: http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/05/how-to-install-apache-openoffice-34-via.html Is there someplace on the website or wiki where we could add this link? Maybe the release notes? OOo used to have install instructions for Linux and other OSes, and these were, IIRC, linked to from the a) download page b) support page. That latter, http://support.openoffice.org/ , could be reused, modulo today's reality. louis -Rob
Re: Download stats script (in progress)
Rob Weir wrote: But two quick questions to help me finish this: 1) Historically, what did OOo report as downloads? Was this just a count of full installs? Or language packs as well? History evolved. The data deemed download reflected, in fact, *hits* to the relevant pages, at first, then clicks on the links. In the last several years, the data collected was more precise but it generally referred to specific installation sets clicked on for download. As the NL projects supplemented (usually) the L10n modules by providing more QA and installation sets, the language packs as such, if I recall, grew less urgent. Ie, why have a language pack when I could download the ZH-TW version of OOo? However. in the earlier days, when we actually were counting as many downloads as possible (and it was an inverse Red Queen's Race) all counted, and that meant that some things were counted more than once but seldom more than twice, and not all things were so honoured. So. With Bouncer and with other tools we did have a good but not plusgood and certainly never a doubleplusgood accounting. But it was good enough for propaganda :-). What did in the end make the final tally were indexes of ODF use. 2) It is easy to produce downloads by language and platform, since our installs are already defined that way. But I can also report per-country. Is that interesting to anyone? Yes. For example, in Canada, the most popular downloads are X, Y, Z. Thanks, Rob. Yes, the per country index was immensely desired, as it provided usually positive feedback and thus encouragement to those who were a) volunteering mirrors or effort or other things of immense value (first borns?) to the cause, and b) it demonstrated to those funding these free efforts the international value of their work, even though brand awareness (ie, what server you use to get you the fee software) was nonexistent. But those who managed the servers and did the immensely important work of keeping things current... knowing where it was used was important. I also found it important, as it helped me think of ways in which we could manage the OOoCons without going through the easily-gamed system we had relied upon. Sorry for prolixity-- Louis -- Louis Suárez-Potts, PhD President, Age of Peers, Inc. +1.416.625.3843 (m) @luispo GTalk: lui...@gmail.com Skype: louisiam @luispo Blog 1: newspeak Blog 2: Open Source Action (and more)
Re: Download stats script (in progress)
Juergen Schmidt wrote: don't know but I assume full install sets . I would like to detailed numbers as much as possible. 2) It is easy to produce downloads by language and platform, since our installs are already defined that way. But I can also report per-country. Is that interesting to anyone? For example, in Canada, the most popular downloads are X, Y, Z. again I would like to have detailed numbers. We can produce nice statistics and graphs ;-) Juergen, Would you want those from OOo or current? I presume current, and we can even make these accurate. I should think that for OOo, your best bet really is to look to the DE project's, BR-PT's, ES, if they have them--Alexandro might?, or Richard Holt, or others in Red.es or Cenatic--and PLIO, for Italy. (Other locations and languages would also be obtainable, I'd guess, but ... why?) Maho might also have data still for JA, which usually demonstrated itself to be immensely into downloading and using and doing good work with OOo. :-) Finally, we all do need to keep in mind the simple fact that those with Windows usually will have to download OO, but those with Linux... oh, wait. My, what an interesting new situation. Even so for Mac. :-) Louis = Louis Suárez-Potts, PhD President, Age of Peers, Inc.
Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac
Roberto, On 2012-05-11, at 14:38 , Roberto Galoppini wrote: Hi all, http://ooopackages.good-day.net doesn't serve that download anymore, it's dead. This doesn't work? http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport louis Maho can you help me? Roberto -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac
NO, to reply to myself, that is Good-Day's. I do have it on my system, and can post it to a server if you tell me where. It is, however, Oracle PDF Import, if that makes a difference. louis On 2012-05-11, at 14:38 , Roberto Galoppini wrote: Hi all, http://ooopackages.good-day.net doesn't serve that download anymore, it's dead. Maho can you help me? Roberto -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac
Larry, Thanks. I just sent to Roberto an older version but for Intel, too. Louis On 2012-05-11, at 17:20 , Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2012-05-11 2:56 PM Roberto Galoppini wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Louis Suárez-Pottslui...@gmail.comwrote: NO, to reply to myself, that is Good-Day's. I do have it on my system, and can post it to a server if you tell me where. It is, however, Oracle PDF Import, if that makes a difference. Even that one points to Good-Day. If you provide us with, we can upload it, please send a copy to me and/or to Dave Brondsema. The link for Mac Intel at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport works. The Mac PPC doesn't work. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese
Re: Update release notes ( was: About the new spreadsheet functions )
Thanks. On 2012-05-12, at 12:43 , drew wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:15 -0400, drew wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 14:53 +0200, RGB ES wrote: The release notes mention ODF Spreadsheet supports new Conditional Functions: COUNTIFS, SUMIFS, AVERAGEIF and AVERAGEIF. snip Well, checked the other functions against the ODF doc spec, it looks like the release notes http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.0.html should be updated, removing the section on these functions, yes? Will, wait an hour or so for anyone to comment, otherwise I'll go do that. Done. Drew, thanks again. I also want to say that the release notes are very nicely written: informative, to the point. Nice. -louis //drew
Re: OpenOffice for iPhone/iPad
Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 14.05.12 00:11, schrieb Steven Ball: Are you working on a version of OpenOffice for iOS? No, there are ODF Viewers from IBM. But I don't know, maybe sameone will work on this. Greetings Raphael Not sure if Steven is subscribed, so am cc'ing him. But to add to what R. wrote: there are several independent groups working on iOS (iPad) editors for ODF files, which AOO uses by default. One does not need the whole application on an mobile (egad) but having some editing functionality is a good thing. The point would be to save files one edited. There is also rollApp, which offers the entire suite via browser / html5 for iPad. It's in beta. But the demonstration showed at the recent ODF plugfest in Brussels evidenced fairly fast response. Conjoined with a remote storage server (eg, Dropbox), one can use a mobile to view/edit and save ODF files via an interface (AOO) that is familiar.\ For readers, I have tried them all (that are publicly available) and recommend Symphony. (No, not an IBM employee am I.) There is also my prior favourite, FileApp Pro, and then there are some others that may or may not still be around. (I had checked last year around this time, though I only tested out Symphony's iOS app a few weeks ago, in Brussels.) Finally, there is a lot of very belated activity on this front. I think everyone has been waiting for the right moment, to see if a) there is actually a call for mobile devices that can do things besides show entertainment and b) if the big vendors were able to act on the supposed demand (I believe, and always have, that there is real demand: if only to look at schools). Apple has made iWorks available for iPad (and iPHone) for some time, and it integrates with its cloud. The laggard was and remains, oddly, Microsoft. Or perhaps not so oddly. So, I'd expect there to be a shock of strong contenders for ODF editors on the iPad H2 (after July) this year. It's not that they must run the entire suite; it's that they must be abel to do good enough. And the vendors/projects making these may very well not be using AOO (or not only) but other ODF editors, as well. -louis -- Louis Suárez-Potts PPMC Member Apache OpenOffice
Re: CD-ROMs for consumers
Hi On 2012-05-14, at 12:47 , Kay Schenk wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:08 PM, i...@softwaredistributor.info wrote: Hello, I found so many invalid links(Dead links)or not open office software related. Because this page not update for years http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/ This page has repeatedly been the source of confusion and concern. FWIW -- I de-linked the CDROM info from the current download page before we went live. The old distribution info, of course, continued to live on...so this was needed. I started, rather feebly, a new page yesterday that I thought might be a catch all for all manners of third party distributions --CDROM, other builds not by Apache. That would tie in or actually be replaced by this new page you started. yeah, we need to work on this, hopefully soon, to get more options out there. This new page is good until we determine HOW we even want to verify what's being distributed by these methods. What would verify mean? When I set up the CDROM project and distribution category, the verification was simple: the binaries and source (if that was what they wanted to deliver, too; a link would have worked, and did, usually) had to come from one of OOo's mirrors, and we (Alex, at that point) pointed them to those. (That was the mirrors list I set up but which was then later maintained by several, including Florian E.) Why not do the same? It must come from an AOO distribution mirror. We simply trust those who claim that that is how they obtained the binaries. As to what is distributed on CDROM (or DVD): what they want, in addition to a legitimate binary. And it need not be, of course, in English. Louis So, I've replaced the distribution pages with a simple statement which you can read here: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/distribution/index.html If someone, either currently with the project, or a new volunteer, has the interest and energy to help develop a new distribution program, then your efforts will be most welcome. Until then, it seems that users will have equal luck jut searching eBay. -Rob Invalid Links Distributor USA Flexiety Amazon.com Store http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/?me=A3AYSZ5JGWXAJN --- Distributor Australia Cybersite http://www.cybersite.com.au/ Distributor Colombia CompuKeep Ltda. http://www.compukeep.com/ Distributor India Murugapandian Barathee http://swathanthra.freesites.ws/stall Linux.Mejokj.com http://linux.mejokj.com/ - Distributor Malaysia CheapISO.com http://www.cheapiso.com/ Distributor México Mayan Open Source Enterprises http://www.moselinux.com/ small world international trading consulting http://www.sworld.tk/ Distributor Perú Puppisoft.Org http://www.puppisoft.org/ - Distributor Philippines Net Effect http://www.neteffect.com.ph/ --- Distributor Poland Castor Th http://wzorypism.com/ MOKART http://mokart.prv.pl/ -- Distributor Singapore Mynasoft http://www3.mynasoft.com/ -- Distributor Spain XP Factory http://xpfactory.redi.tk/ -- Distributor Turkey Gelecek http://www.gelecek.com.tr/openoffice.org Sevgi Bilgisayar http://sites-web.site-creation.com/ Distributor UK AMS Computer Systems http://www.amscomputers.co.uk/ KARSA http://www.karsa.co.uk/ nCD enterprises/Wilmslow High School http://www.wilmslowhigh.cheshire.sch.uk/ooo/ Techlink Consultants http://www.tcltd.net/ Tuxland.co.uk http://www.tuxland.co.uk/ T. J. Computers Ltd. http://www.tj-computers-ltd.co.uk/ Wordit Limited http://www.wordit.com/ Distributor United States of America Amazon.com Storefront http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/?me=A3AYSZ5JGWXAJN Chance Pittenger http://ipfinc.org/ Half Price Computer Books http://www.halfpricecomputerbooks.com/ Joseph Heingarten http://openofficesuite.net/ Online casnio site Lyciall's http://office.lyciall.com/ Main Street Computers http://mainstr33t.com/ NovoPC http://www.novopc.com/ OCS Computer http://www.ocscomputer.com/openoffice/index.html OilSpecialist.com http://oilspecialist.com/ onetruegem.com http://www.onetruegem.com/ OSdepot.com http://www.osdepot.com/osc/product_info.php?cPath=31products_id=60 PGD http://www.pgd.com/ Tux CDs http://www.tuxcds.com/ Virtual Technologies http://www.virtech.com/ Hope you can update this list ASSP Regards Benjamin --
Re: [ANNOUNCE] IBM SGA/CCLA Submitted for Symphony Source Code Contribution
Thanks. Louis PS I can hardly wait On Tuesday, 15 May 2012, Donald Harbison wrote: A few minutes ago, I submitted the IBM Software Grant Agreement and Corporate Contributor License Agreement for IBM Lotus Symphony contribution. This action means infra can begin to prepare to receive the 'Contribution into svn when they're ready. We will be providing more descriptive content to the list tomorrow when our China team wakes up. :) This is just a short announcement to get the ball rolling. We announced our plan to do this on July 15, 2011. The successful delivery of Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has now made it possible to move forward. We hope the community will invest time and energy to study and understand this contribution and help determine how best to use it going forward for the benefit of the public good. This ends the Symphony fork here with Apache OpenOffice. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
Re: questions about the porting project
Hi On 2012-05-15, at 17:37 , Kay Schenk wrote: Hi all-- I was just taking a look at the porting project site: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ could someone who is familiar with this project, and hopefully currently involved with it, fill us in on what the affiliation of the porters listed -- http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html were to the OpenOffice.org project? Were they committers, etc? And, if you could provide some idea of the usage numbers for each, if they were kept somewhere, that would be great. Thanks. I think I can probably answer most of the questions, as we did track those data, but not sure: much of what was there is a) gone, b) old, really old. That said, regarding the committers: See, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper Domain Developer, as you know, meant that one had access as a committer globally. As to general ports, from memory: 1. Windows. 95% And then Mac OS X And then, in the single digits, the rest. (Linux distros., of course, included OOo and its variants.) The old spreadsheets from the first few years are probably not quite accurate--they never were--but suggestive of the breakdown then of everything else. However, now, things are quite a lot different, and past data ought not to prescribe present, let alone future behaviour. Louis -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: AOO Downloads, false-positive and Beyond
On 2012-05-15, at 14:49 , Roberto Galoppini wrote: Hi all, as you might now SourceForge is serving the vast majority of AOO binaries downloads, and we provide download stats by country, Operating System, Browser, and traffic source. Some of you are familiar with our stats pages, while others use our APIs. We do have spam detection enabled to identify false-positive traffic like bots, and I wish to share some insights of what happened recently on this front. We noticed that Russia was the highest download country, something that was hard to explain. The popularity was limited to /localized/ru/3.4.0/ Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Win_x86_install_ru.exe We looked at the raw download logs for that file, and saw a lot of downloads from user-agent Download Master. Apparently it is popular in Russia, and apparently it starts hundreds of simultaneous downloads at once. Our download stats system does have some logic to prevent double counting this type of traffic, but it didn't exclude all of the duplicate downloads, so the result was still high. We've updated our download stats logic to correct this, and then reprocessed the raw logs from 2012-05-08 to present, to update the stats. Beyond bringing our ability to provide reliable stats, I wish to throw some new ideas about how we can help Apache OpenOffice to grow: a. We could provide intelligence on which projects were downloaded with Open Office within a week. b. We could cross-merch Apache OpenOffice project with other projects c. We have community management and Internet Marketing to support the community I'm in favour, as you probably can guess--I strongly promoted OOo both as a binary for users and as a source project for developers (considerable overlap)--but do have simple procedural questions, starting with we? You mean, I'd hope, those who simply want to do it? As we encountered with the OOo Marketing Project, good ideas and intentions can quickly get lost in community cacophony: more noise than signal. What we discovered was that focusing on particular drives and engaging those who would be able to carry them out, long term and without undue stress to their regular lives (this is all volunteer), helped. What I further discovered and tried as much as possible to arrange was the support coordination of small, medium and even large businesses and public sector entities. For instance, a company may have an extension that adds value to AOO and which, by its use, adds huge marketing value to their company and product. I received *a lot* of such requests from companies, and I would like to reacquaint myself with them and they with us, but it takes time. A preliminary list of organizations that were using OOo and probably are interested in AOO can be found at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments The thing that I noted repeatedly was that many organizations, esp. public sector (and also not a small number of individuals coming from a Windows or Mac background) refused or were reluctant to download the product without professional support. The user forums worked great but in the case of public sectors and also companies, they wanted professional support, as they were used to getting (and paying for). This does not mean we must wait for the horse to be hitched to this wagon, not by any means. And I'm working on rekindling those who *were* providing that support. (Besides Sun/Oracle, there were actually quite a few. Some can still be found from http://support.openoffice.org/) We've already run a 250k impressions campaign through our media channels, and we plan to run more. Our community growth hacker and Apache member Rich Bowen has covered Apache OpenOffice both on feathercast and SourceForge blog, and also here we plan to do more videos and interviews. Roberto All in all, thanks, Roberto! I would suggest an IRC meeting with an agenda to start coordinating activities. I also see some implicit milestones. These include drawing attention to what is here, what is coming and how people can use it and contribute to it--without thinking about the Cloud, or cost. And if they must, that there are options there, too. As well, wouldn't it be great that over summer we do enough so that when school starts again here in the Northern Hemisphere, students and faculty can actually use something that is all about working together for a better place? Ciao Louis
Re: UX, Inclusive Design, Fluid Project
Kevin On Tuesday, 15 May 2012, Kevin Grignon wrote: Louis, Inclusive or universal, accessible design is very important. You are correct, we are on the cusp of UX invention, and your input would be greatly appreciated. The UX community is starting fresh, and welcomes your support. Watch your inbox and the community wiki for more information. Regards, Kevin I am active on multiple fronts, not quite continuing my longtime work as community manager and council chair, as well as lead of marketing and many other projects, but also not putting it away. I do however more actively continue my ODF activities, as well as ecosystem development on a global scale.. Inclusive design--accessibility-- was and is a privileged vehicle for penetrating otherwise inaccessible markets. Louis AOO UX Community On Tuesday, May 15, 2012, Louis R Suárez-Potts wrote: I used to be tangentially involved in the Fluid Project, which promotes inclusive design, or designing, in this case, software that can work with all people, not just a few. Now that we are at the cusp of invention and are beginning debate and work on UX, I'd like to point the emerging group to the Fluid Project. The PI of the project used to work (and still does, I think) on ensuring that document formats comply with accessibility requirements, and that includes--especially--the ODF. Best, Louis -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
Re: May I use Apahce OpenOffice and Apache Incubator logos on OpenOffice CD
+1 louis On 2012-05-16, at 01:35 , Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi all, I and my project members are preparing to create Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 for Windows CD with templates, illustrations and photos provided by http://www.templatebank.com/ Here is label design draft. https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/apache-openoffice-cd Thanks, khirano On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Let me update. https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/openoffice-org-3-3-0-cd We made Rainbow version and Flower version of OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 for Windows CD with 18 language packs, source code, SDK and set them in slim cases. Some schools help distribute these CDs to their students studying software and languages. After Apache OpenOffice 3.4 release we would like to make Apache OpenOffice 3.4 for Windows CD. May I use Apache OpenOffice[1] and Apache Incubator[2] logos on CDs? [1] http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png [2] http://incubator.apache.org/images/egg-logo.png Thanks, khirano -- khir...@apache.org Apache OpenOffice (incubating) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ -- khir...@apache.org Apache OpenOffice (incubating) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: questions about the porting project
On 2012-05-16, at 16:07 , Kay Schenk wrote: well I am not quite THAT bored at the moment. ;) Thanks for all this. Yes, it did help. Our current situation, as with any open source project, is that you can only *build* what you can sustain. More or less, yes: the no part being, I would maintain, that as long as one is honest about what is being done and can be done, then what counts as sustainable can, arguably, be relaxed. After all, the original Mac OS X builds maintained by the community members numbered two and had day jobs. The effort, fuelled by coffee and IM, was in a way not sustainable at all; but it inspired and proved a point, and so in the end, became sustainable. A key reason? Not the execs at Sun who liked Macs—nearly all—but the actuality of a noisy market. That is to say: marketing can help bridge the gulf between what is feasible by the resources at hand and what can be done, given the needed resources. (A 'resource' is a person, here, whose salary, in this case, is in effect, a debt paid back by the users and those who supply them with services at a cost.) Mostly I was asking about this to try to get a feel for what we should include as official builds vs not. It's a difficult question, and I do wonder: do we need official' or simply a limit on the size that can be held? When I set up the mirror system, I stratified it by stable and contributor (or the like) builds. The stable would map to official, but the point was that it related more to builds that were *ready* to go than to builds that demanded privileged treatment because they were official. A ready-to-go build could be ready simply because it attracted the right level of interest among the right sort of people, not because it had been deemed official. Yes, there will be a degree of competition. There may also be—would be—confusion among users, esp. the big ones, like governments. In this case, I'd suggest we have more of an argument to insist that they actually put their money where their code is. As to corporate contributors: they have their own agenda, and it probably is pretty much most everyone else's. The point is that they will need to do what their clients want, no matter what. Considering Maho and Pedro (with FreeBSD) and Dario (OS/2) are involved with the project as committers, why wouldn't we include these builds on the mirrors? And, we have a Solaris participant as well now. I think that if their builds are ready, great. We *could* instate a simple requirement, that Build A must have a roadmap leading to Build A.n+2, if not B. That is, two post-A releases, but that is probably not necessary. It's only put there, as a suggestion, to give users and contributors a sense of where to allocate their own energies. A further discussion I think. I would think any ports by AOO committers would at some point, be part of the official builds. But more to follow... Good; yes, this is a worthy discussion, and I wish we could have had these at the old OOo community council. Certainly, many of us wanted that. But [redacted]. cheers Louis
Re: [OT] AOO in Telecenter
Albino, World: On 2012-05-17, at 09:46 , Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Hi all, A member of the Escritório Livre community, working in telecenters government is creating an OS based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. About 6.000 telecenters, with 11 machines each, and will exceed more than 7.000. This is good! does it continue the activity of earlier years? It will replace the old BrOffice 3.2 to put the Apache OpenOffice 3.4 as the official office in the telecenters. Wow. And will it be called Apache OpenOffice? And be in BR-PT? Can you also give us a sense of how many people will be reached (able to use) by these enhancements? Also, in case people don't know, would you be so kind as to explain what a Telecenter is? Just who is having a problem, it needs to create a PPA for Ubuntu 10.04, and today exists only for 11.10/12.04. And also the question of automatic updating AOO. Yes. Perhaps the telecentros can be persuaded to help out with the effort required? (They may already be doing so, of course.) These moves are globally important. For instance, the telecenter model can be found in Asia, as well as India and elsewhere there is a need for local populations to access and use computers, the Internet, and related knowledge. Everyone wants to learn of successes, read case studies, follow best practices and so on: to relieve risk anxiety and to mitigate migration pain. There are also competency centres around the world, especially in Asia, eg., Philippines, Malaysia, India, Indonesia, to name but a few that come to mind. Again, having case studies or even simple lists of what has been done… will make a world of difference real. Please let's renew this page on major OO deployments. It's old; but we can take it as a phase 1 and move to an Apache wiki that reflects AOO. Ideally, it could be used to create a more accurate map of ODF deployments. One used to be maintained (more or less) by the ODF Alliance. The page I mean for OO deployments, and that could be used as a model: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments Albino Thanks, Albino. -louis PS : again, the more case studies, or lists, that we can point to around the world, the better; and the more we can persuade the Grand Users of AOO and other FOSS to contribute to the development of those tools they use, the better. One of the best ways would be to encourage participation in the community process among the actual users; another way would be by employing, or making for the employ, of developers.
Re: how export write to Macromedia Flash swf format?
On 2012-05-16, at 22:13 , jianlizhao wrote: Whether there are 3rd party extension with OpenOffice.org, that can export write to Macromedia Flash swf format I believe that prior to OOo 3 (but maybe another milestone) OOo had Flash export. Certainly, I used it, and it was not via extension. I believe that the advent of 3.0, with all its changes, made Flash export history. However, this is intriguing as a new option, as quite possibly Adobe, which also maintains an Apache project(s), as well as some key personnel (and quite a few other open source efforts), might be interested in such an extension. Interest would mean something like helping to create the thing and also popularizing its existence and use in order to expand its own market—and implicitly, ours. -louis -邮件原件- 发件人: Liu Da Li [mailto:wawal...@gmail.com] 发送时间: 2012年5月17日 10:00 收件人: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 主题: Re: how export write to Macromedia Flash swf format? It seems that there doesn't exist such filter in Openoffice,export write to flash. 2012/5/17 jianlizhao jianlizh...@hotmail.com OpenOffice.org can export draw and Impress to Macromedia Flash swf format, how export write to Macromedia Flash swf format?
Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE] - Create ooo-ux mailing list
On 2012-05-17, at 07:47 , RGB ES wrote: 2012/5/17 Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com: FWIW, I meant what I said about promoting the idea of a separate UX group here. Early efforts to fork off subgroups are often failures at Apache, and they don't need to be if you keep all the traffic on the dev list. Using tags like [UX] in the subject are a good way of getting a gauge for how much talking needs to be done on-list about the topic. If it becomes burdensome or distractive to discuss UX here, THEN ask for a list. +1. Regards Ricardo +1, too. So. Let's imagine that there are going to be, if not already, lots of +1s and people who want to participate, at least a little, like me. (I ave ulterior motives.) Where then do we go from here? Louis
Re: about souce code of write insert a picture ?
Hi all, Please interleave your responses and refrain for the terrible temptation of top posting. The idea is to situate the reader in the context and to maintain the illusion of a conversation. Sorry for top posting this tedious plea, Louis On 2012-05-18, at 05:12 , jianlizhao wrote: Hello Jim Cheng: I see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide. It is schematic respect, Very detailed. I'm looking for a simple practical example Thanks... Best Regards! Please refer to Yong Lin's reply...to find expected info from http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM, jianlizhao jianlizh...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Jim Cheng: Yes. a kind of customer application developed based on OpenOffice, call Extensions . the Extensions Has the following features 1) dialog box 2) Click the button on the dialog box display hello world. it was simple, but good learning. Thanks... Best Regards! -邮件原件- 发件人: chengjh [mailto:chen...@apache.org] 发送时间: 2012年5月18日 16:19 收件人: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 主题: Re: about souce code of write insert a picture ? You mean a kind of customer application developed based on OpenOffice , such as Hello World!,right? On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM, jianlizhao jianlizh...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Jim Cheng: Thanks you replay. Could I find a example of openoffice secondary development, programming language use C++ language , the example Achieve Function 1) dialog box 2) Click the button on the dialog box display hello world. Where can I download the example program? Thanks... Best Regards! Jim Cheng (程建宏) -- Thanks... Best Regards! Jim Cheng (程建宏)
Re: AOO Downloads, false-positive and Beyond
On 2012-05-18, at 12:15 , Roberto Galoppini wrote: As well, wouldn't it be great that over summer we do enough so that when school starts again here in the Northern Hemisphere, students and faculty can actually use something that is all about working together for a better place? Yea, any specific idea in mind? Yes. Many. What I'd suggest is not to target a particular regional market but a logical one. In this case, let's look at, oh, say, the Portuguese deployment of the Magellan education netbooks. As you recall, earlier instances had Win/MS Office in one partition, Lin/OOo in the other. That implicitly and immediately deprecated free software, as there was little reason to use it. As Paulo has told me, though, things have changed. But the basic elements are the same: gov't. promoted software (now more free) and devices that are inexpensive enough (esp. aftter support) so that they can be widely deployed. Portugal is small—about the size of a Beijing suburb, at least in terms of population (10M) and Brazil is big, nearly 20 times that size. There is also Angola and other former Lusophone polities around the world. My argument is to promote a solution that is, at first, software focused. * AOO in Portuguese (Br/Pt) with local, when possible, support. (If it is not there, we start it or use global options until it is—and it comes into being because the market is or ought to be obvious enough.) * Devices: Intel sided publicly with LibreOffice but earlier had wanted to work with OOo. Frankly, I doubt Intel cares one way or another which flavour is the best but simply wants a suite that has humongous global usage and also crucial community and industrial momentum. We have both. So, we contact Intel. I know the people at the Tizen (formerly Meego) project, and I'm sure others here do, too. Tizen is essentially a mobilized Linux, I believe, and if Intel has worked to get LO on it—I don't know—then whatever it has done would probably work with AOO. The point is to have a package: software on hardware. It need not be mobile per se. The education laptops, too, may not—I don't think they do—use Tizen. The most important point, as I see it, is to have a product that is ready for education—students and teachers—and only secondarily, the hardware. I put it this way, even though I obviously believe in the integrated ensemble, just because the hardware element is so susceptible to change. As well, hardware decisions are usually made more than a year in advance; I don't know when software decisions are made in general but I guess is that the cycle is a little shorter. I think developing this general idea is needed, of course, and to focus on PT is not essential. However, my reason for doing so rests upon what had already been done by Portugal's prior gov't., by the PT users/OOo group, by the wide scale and exciting deployments in Brazil, by Angola's earlier interest in OOo and by Intel's live interest in producing a product that can have global popularity. But all the players here could be replaced by others, of course. And the language could be, I don't know, Italian :-) or even the English they speak up here in Canada, eh? Cheers, Louis Roberto
Re: OpenOffice on eBay
On 2012-05-18, at 14:18 , Chery wrote: It is free! Who would buy it from you? OpenOffice has always been sold on eBay and other similar sites. The advantage to the buyer is that she does not have to download the app., can have it around for future reference, may distribute it to those who otherwise cannot get it (yes, she could burn more and I hope she would), and so on. As well, quite often CDROMs and DVDs contain so-called value-adds. Could be set of (free) extensions or it could be templates, utilities, etc. It actually makes a difference in the minds of many, too, to see the physical object. This is especially so at conferences, where you want handouts, and elsewhere you just want people to try it out *now*. And, lest we not forget the nature of our own circumstances, it actually costs *more* to download a large binary such as AOO than to buy a CDROM containing it (in your language, no less)! Yep: in many if not most parts of the world, bandwidth is costly and charged by the minute or byte or both. The real point of free is the user's ability to work unencumbered with the binaries and source: to become not just another commodity but a producer in a community. -louis -Original Message- From: SpindleHill Auctions [mailto:em...@spindlehill.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:05 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: FW: OpenOffice on eBay Hello, I would like to get further information on how I could sell OpenOffice on eBay, either via download and/or CDROM. I have been selling on eBay since 2004, and I am looking to increase my inventory and sales. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Thank you, Michael Gaudiosi SpindleHill Auctions em...@spindlehill.com
Re: OpenOffice on eBay
On 2012-05-18, at 17:00 , Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2012-05-18 1:40 PM Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2012-05-18, at 14:18 , Chery wrote: It is free! Who would buy it from you? OpenOffice has always been sold on eBay and other similar sites. The advantage to the buyer is that she does not have to download the app., can have it around for future reference, may distribute it to those who otherwise cannot get it (yes, she could burn more and I hope she would), and so on. How does this comment apply to selling downloads of AOO? Note that the OP said I would like to get further information on how I could sell OpenOffice on eBay, either via download and/or CDROM I misread in my haste to be corrective. It happens, esp. when one is distracted by other things. Louis
Re: Washington DC Apahe Barcamp
On 2012-05-18, at 21:54 , drew jensen wrote: Hi, Just a quick reminder on this. I will be attending the Barcamp tomorrow and I will, if possible, give a brief presentation regarding our project. It would be great if I could give a peak to the presentation, but for that it would have to be finished already... so that is out - it will be ready by 9 AM however :) of course I will post it to the wiki afterwards. However, if anyone believes there is something particular you would like highlighted I will check emails over the next couple of hours - so go ahead and post here or direct to me, either way. Drew, thanks for doing this and I wish I could join you in the fun! I'd say that heaping praise on Apache at an Apache event would probably only elicit skeptical cynicism, but maybe also beers. :-) Yet, if you could encourage all to check us out….. :-) Oh, one thing. A while ago, Propylon, a company, was working on refining OOo for legal work; many law firms and related use WP 5.x or beyond. OOo had some legal templates but the fact is that a huge portion of the legal world is unable to budge from the weight of electrons and paper, however close to museum pieces they be. Yet legal workers want open standards, open source just like the rest of us. Perhaps, in Wash. DC, a receptive audience to such a thing? Esp. among the US CIO office, should that be possible? :-) Cheers Louis Thanks, //drew
Re: HELP NEEDED: CERTIFICATION TO PARTICIPATE IN A TENDER
Dear Ms Cubilla, Thanks for contacting us. As someone who has long championed the use of OpenOffice in education, and specifically on netbooks and other portable and mobile devices, I'm delighted to learn of your tender. You probably know this, and if you do, my apologies, Apache OpenOffice is free to use and distribute as you will and is licensed under the Apache License v.2. I have not tried Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on the Acer Travelmate. My guess is that it works fine. However, issuing a statement to that effect, as a System Builder, may pose some logistical problems, as we are an open source project composed of numerous groups operating within the Apache Software Foundation. But your request is important. I'd like therefore to see if this solution works for you and the government: A request to test Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (for Linux, Windows 7, 8) be filed. As we are not a company as such, at least not in the ways that Microsoft is, actually obtaining the Acer netbooks for the testing could be a problem. Further, there is no saying when the test on the Acer machines would be done, as it would depend upon the availability of resources. We do not profit from Acer's use of AOO, from your distribution or any company's, at least not directly. Do you have any we can test? Are you perhaps in contact with Acer and able to connect us to that company, so that they can test the application on any of their devices? (Joining the project is not hard; we would welcome your participation and also that of Acer.) Alternatively, perhaps you or your colleagues might find it actually fastest to install AOO 3.4 (in Spanish) on the machines? The government may not approve of such a manoeuvre, as you are not the System Builder. But by joining Apache and participating, even in a modest way, say by describing what your company is doing and planning, you can effectively become part of the community building the application. These are the possibilities that may help you at this stage. I would suggest you write to us soonest with more ideas on how you wish to proceed. Again, your efforts are laudable and praiseworthy. But you are not alone. Portugal has gone through something similar—I can put you in touch with the principal agents there—as has Brazil. And there are other countries in Europe whose sub-national governments have also considered or are deploying OpenOffice on education-ready netbooks. (Norway has used Intel education netbooks, for instance.) Finally, you wrote to a very public list. You can find archives publicly available via the usual search engines. Your message has no particularly personal content, so rest assured. But do expect that my colleagues will likely also respond—indeed, I see that Alexandro has already done that. By the way, I am curious if your company would also be providing the education offices support? Regards, Louis Suárez-Potts Apache OpenOffice PPMC PS, Lo escribió en inglés por que es la convención por estas listas abiertas. On 2012-05-18, at 17:50 , Veronica Cubilla wrote: Who may concern: Regards from Panama!! This is Veronica Cubilla from Cubix Panama (www.cubixlat.com ) an International Wholesaler who participated with a VAR in a tender of 17,800 laptops with Education Minister in Panama that will be used by teachers. One of the requirements of this tender was to include in the proposal Open Office. The laptop we proposed was the Acer Travelmate P243 which have 320GB of HDD. What we need for you is a Certification Letter for Acer as a System Builder who can replicate your software in this laptop, using Apache Open Office 3.4. If you need any other information about this tender you can see it in:http://www.panamacompra.gob.pa/ambientepublico/VistaPreviaCP.aspx?NumLc=2012-0-07-0-08-AV-008941esap=1nnc=1it=1, where you can also find Microsoft letter certificating the usage of Win 7 Pro (which is attached). Thanks in advance for your help. image001.jpg
Re: HELP NEEDED: CERTIFICATION TO PARTICIPATE IN A TENDER
On 2012-05-20, at 21:22 , Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Miss Cubilla, isn't certifying a platform usable with a software the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer? Perhaps I do not understand the request. If I had to guess, Acer needs to be sure that it has permission to copy and redistribute the AOO software. The attachment (stripped when sent to the list, but I have a copy as moderator) was a permission that Microsoft granted for X copies of Office that must be fulfilled via an authorized Microsoft OEM licensee. Of course, we have no such OEM restrictions with AOO. The license permits anyone to copy, modify and redistribute. In particular, Acer can source directly from us, or from any 3rd party if it is convenient to have someone provide additional testing or patch support. My experience has also been that government agencies refuse to have anything to do with software unless it passes all the license and operational tests proprietary software sold by a single vendor does. Put another way, it's difficult for these public sector institutions to adopt open source software because it deviates from the very narrow range of permissible options. I've encountered this situation many times, in countries all around the world, including Canada, those of South East Asia, and so on. Acer might be able to help her out. But I'd be quite interested to work with her to see if she can still satisfy the government requisites. The fact that the Apache Foundation is a separate and independent foundation with legal status will help her and others in similar situations, but if not this government then others, I know, will likely want to be able to assign liability and other faults to an identifiable legal entity. I'd be curious how Apache deals or has dealt with other similar situations. My guess—from downloading enough Apache software in my time—is by not making any claim, save caveat emptor. -louis -Rob Thanks for contacting us. As someone who has long championed the use of OpenOffice in education, and specifically on netbooks and other portable and mobile devices, I'm delighted to learn of your tender. You probably know this, and if you do, my apologies, Apache OpenOffice is free to use and distribute as you will and is licensed under the Apache License v.2. I have not tried Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on the Acer Travelmate. My guess is that it works fine. However, issuing a statement to that effect, as a System Builder, may pose some logistical problems, as we are an open source project composed of numerous groups operating within the Apache Software Foundation. But your request is important. I'd like therefore to see if this solution works for you and the government: A request to test Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (for Linux, Windows 7, 8) be filed. As we are not a company as such, at least not in the ways that Microsoft is, actually obtaining the Acer netbooks for the testing could be a problem. Further, there is no saying when the test on the Acer machines would be done, as it would depend upon the availability of resources. We do not profit from Acer's use of AOO, from your distribution or any company's, at least not directly. Do you have any we can test? Are you perhaps in contact with Acer and able to connect us to that company, so that they can test the application on any of their devices? (Joining the project is not hard; we would welcome your participation and also that of Acer.) Alternatively, perhaps you or your colleagues might find it actually fastest to install AOO 3.4 (in Spanish) on the machines? The government may not approve of such a manoeuvre, as you are not the System Builder. But by joining Apache and participating, even in a modest way, say by describing what your company is doing and planning, you can effectively become part of the community building the application. These are the possibilities that may help you at this stage. I would suggest you write to us soonest with more ideas on how you wish to proceed. Again, your efforts are laudable and praiseworthy. But you are not alone. Portugal has gone through something similar—I can put you in touch with the principal agents there—as has Brazil. And there are other countries in Europe whose sub-national governments have also considered or are deploying OpenOffice on education-ready netbooks. (Norway has used Intel education netbooks, for instance.) Finally, you wrote to a very public list. You can find archives publicly available via the usual search engines. Your message has no particularly personal content, so rest assured. But do expect that my colleagues will likely also respond—indeed, I see that Alexandro has already done that. By the way, I am curious if your company would also be providing the education offices support? Regards, Louis Suárez-Potts Apache OpenOffice PPMC
Re: [Comment] Apache software is always free
Jim Jagielski wrote: Please avoid the loaded term free... I started to laugh. :-) /me wishes this or that US presidential candidate could read this, or for that matter, George Orwell. :-/ I suggest, then, we use, rather, unencumbered--a term which actually has real meaning. -- Cheers, Louis
