[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-27 Thread howard posner
> On May 27, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > I visited a violin and ukelele maker here in Japan who used a plant as > sandpaper. He grew it right outside the door. Yes, he’s famous for taking wood and nearly-finished instruments and rubbing them up against that pine tree outside his

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2019-05-27 Thread Ed Durbrow
I visited a violin and ukelele maker here in Japan who used a plant as sandpaper. He grew it right outside the door. On May 28, 2019, at 1:29 AM, George Torres wrote: > remember > >> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands >>> of > > years to > >>

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2019-05-27 Thread George Torres
>> Best wishes, >> Antonio >>__ >> >> From: George Torres >> To: Roman Turovsky >> Cc: magnus andersson ; Martyn Hodgson >> ; Lute List ; Monica >> Hall >> Sent

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2019-05-10 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Amen ! ;-) Jean-Marie > Le 10 mai 2019 à 21:54, Stewart McCoy a écrit : > > In discussing the plucking of strings with or without nails, I think it is > important to keep Thomas Mace, _Musick's Monument_ (1676) in mind. He was, of > course, referring to the lute, not the guitar, but I think h

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2019-05-10 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
tmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: vrijdag 10 mei 2019 10:09 Aan: 'Lute List' ; Lex Eisenhardt Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee Dear Lex, Well, are you referring to the report that said C couldn't play because he'd broken a nail? This might, of course,

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2019-05-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
nkelijk bericht- Van: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: donderdag 9 mei 2019 08:49 Aan: [4]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee That's not the point

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2019-05-09 Thread theoj89294
Didn't Baron (In 'Study of the Lute' 1727) complain about the French who 'scratched' at their lutes. Does this imply that they played with nails? (I no longer have my copy of the Baron book, so I can't find the original quote, and I well could be mistaken). trj -- To get on or off thi

[LUTE] Re: De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-09 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
not have too much to complain about. Except that he had crossed the Alps for nothing, and broke a nail. Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Monica Hall Verzonden: donderdag 9 mei 2019 09:58 Aan: r...@mh-freiburg.de;

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2019-05-09 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: donderdag 9 mei 2019 08:49 Aan: maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Lute List Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee That's not the point being made. Which is that, even if some theorbo players employed nails (or didn't), we canno

[LUTE] Re: De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-09 Thread Monica Hall
Briefly - there were two editions of Ebert's book. In 1723 the account of Corbetta's visit ends Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given 500 Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not withholding anything from Corbetta. The rest of it occurs in the edit

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2019-05-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
That's not the point being made. Which is that, even if some theorbo players employed nails (or didn't), we cannot draw the unequivocal conclusion that the period guitar was therefore also played with nails. And, in particular, that this was the practice that De Visee generally expe

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2019-05-08 Thread John Mardinly
ired by a long habitude. > Best wishes, > Antonio > __ > > From: George Torres > To: Roman Turovsky > Cc: magnus andersson ; Martyn Hodgson > ; Lute List ; Monica > Hall > Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:45 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Vi

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2019-05-08 Thread Antonio Corona
long habitude. Best wishes, Antonio __ From: George Torres To: Roman Turovsky Cc: magnus andersson ; Martyn Hodgson ; Lute List ; Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:45 Subject: [LUTE] Re: De

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Wilke
Get [1]Outlook for Android __ From: Roland Hayes Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:59:35 PM To: Christopher Wilke Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: De Visee Thank you so much!

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Roland Hayes
pher Wilke Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: De Visee Thank you so much! Get [2]Outlook for Android __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Christopher Wilke Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:13:56 AM To: Rolan

[LUTE] Re: De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-08 Thread Monica Hall
You haven't read the whole passage. > On 08 May 2019 at 20:13 Ralf Mattes wrote: > > > > Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 20:00 CEST, Monica Hall > schrieb: > > >The relevant passage reads as follows. Feel free to correct the > >translation. > > > >Recently the world-famous guitar

[LUTE] Re: De Visee Corbetta

2019-05-08 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 20:00 CEST, Monica Hall schrieb: >The relevant passage reads as follows. Feel free to correct the >translation. > >Recently the world-famous guitarist, Corbetta, who taught all the >Potentates of Europe, came here [to Turin] from England. But b

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread George Torres
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to >> >> remember >> >> > you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of >> >> years to >> >> > polish wood (and maybe al

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2019-05-08 Thread George Torres
gt; years to >> >> > polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum >> >> > ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute >> >> > <[2][2][4][6]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:

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2019-05-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
ohn.mardi...@asu.edu> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][6][8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> >Cc: Lute List <[5][5][7][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Subject: [LUTE] Re: De

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2019-05-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
; Original message >From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5][7][8]john.mardi...@asu.edu> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][6][8][9]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>

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2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Wilke
th.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:57:33 PM To: magnus andersson Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; Roland Hayes; jslute; Lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students to use finely crushed pumice stone

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2019-05-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
>Jim Stimson >Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message >From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5][7]john.mardi...@asu.edu> > Date: 5

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2019-05-08 Thread magnus andersson
>From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5][7]john.mardi...@asu.edu> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][6][8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> >Cc: Lute List <[5][5][7][9]lute@cs

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2019-05-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message >From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5]john.mardi...@asu.edu> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>

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2019-05-08 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 10:04 CEST, magnus andersson schrieb: >Dear Monica, you ´re right- >Francesco seems to have been the scheduled star musician of the >evening. At >the banquet, an ensemble consisting of lutes, theorboes, angeliques and >guitars was >heard, and

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2019-05-08 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 08. Mai 2019 09:40 CEST, Monica Hall schrieb: > Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket - that's just > another myth. Sorry, but that's nit what Ebert is writing. To qoute: "... und dieselbe nachmals aus seinem Beutel auszahlen müssen." "Dieselbe" her

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Should be 1724... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Lex Eisenhardt Verzonden: woensdag 8 mei 2019 11:43 Aan: 'LuteList' Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee The 'myth' is probably based on Ebert's Ver

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2019-05-08 Thread Tristan von Neumann
y <[3][3][6]john.mardi...@asu.edu> >Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][7]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> >Cc: Lute List <[5][5][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee >

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2019-05-08 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
u] Namens Yuval Dvoran Verzonden: woensdag 8 mei 2019 10:43 Aan: LuteList Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee I was always wondering where this story comes from - thank you Magnus! By the way, you can buy the book here: https://www.zvab.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=19245595719&searchurl=hl%3Don%26

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2019-05-08 Thread Yuval Dvoran
   >    Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to >    build >    >    lutes and >    >    craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to >    file >    >    and >    >    polish >    >       

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2019-05-08 Thread Yuval Dvoran
and > >    craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file > >    and > >    polish > >    their nails. > >    Jim Stimson > >            Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >   

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2019-05-08 Thread magnus andersson
nt from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message >From: John Mardinly <[3][3][6]john.mardi...@asu.edu> >Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][7]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.or

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2019-05-08 Thread Monica Hall
their nails. >Jim Stimson >Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message >From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> >Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >

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2019-05-08 Thread Toby Carr
; Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:57:33 PM To: magnus andersson Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; Roland Hayes; jslute; Lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students to use finely crushed pumice s

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-08 Thread John Mardinly
rdi...@asu.edu> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][7]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> Cc: Lute List <[5][5][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee More lacking than glue-on-nails might

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2019-05-07 Thread Roland Hayes
droid __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of M Del Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:57:33 PM To: magnus andersson Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; Roland Hayes; jslute; Lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain t

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-07 Thread M Del
and > polish > their nails. > Jim Stimson > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message > From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) &g

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-07 Thread magnus andersson
n.mardi...@asu.edu> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Roland Hayes <[4][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> Cc: Lute List <[5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some o

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2019-05-07 Thread Sean Smith
To: Roland Hayes <[4][5]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> Cc: Lute List <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern files and abrasives used to polish the

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2019-05-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
To: Roland Hayes <[4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> Cc: Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly

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2019-05-07 Thread John Mardinly
y to file and > polish >their nails. >Jim Stimson >Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message >From: John Mardinly <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> >Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >

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2019-05-07 Thread John Mardinly
, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: John Mardinly <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Roland Hayes <[4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> Cc: Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject:

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2019-05-07 Thread Yuval Dvoran
smartphone > >    Original message >    From: John Mardinly >    Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >    To: Roland Hayes >    Cc: Lute List >    Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee > >    More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern >

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2019-05-07 Thread jslute
: John Mardinly Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Roland Hayes Cc: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared nails give a terrible result for both

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2019-05-06 Thread John Mardinly
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared nails give a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher back in 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia prepared his nails: after some

[LUTE] Re: de Visee

2014-03-03 Thread Ed Durbrow
Hadn’t he hurt his finger then? IIRC, someone told me he had injured a finger, so he played the whole concert with two fingers and thumb and I certainly didn't notice any ill effects. Or maybe it was his LH that was injured. I can’t remember, other than it was magical. In those days it was kind

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2014-03-03 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 03/03/14 9:28 AM, Monica Hall wrote: Yes - I often forget to copy the list in when replying to messages! Easily done. I do that all the time here too. Most email lists are configured so that the default is for the reply to go to the list, so I automatically hit the "reply" button instead

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2014-03-03 Thread Monica Hall
Yes - I often forget to copy the list in when replying to messages! Easily done. Thanks for the various references. The British Library has Mercure Galante which is where I got it from but the other things will be an invaluable. Corbetta must have known all the players who took part in Gal

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2014-03-03 Thread Monica Hall
ailed biography of Corbetta but is is often the way - it keeps stalling. MOnica - Original Message - From: "gary" To: "lutelist" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:59 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee This may be apocryphal, but I remember having read that Corbett

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2014-03-03 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
:-) ! For sure ! Jean-Marie -- >Jean-Marie, > > >On Mon, 3/3/14, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > >> Incidentally, this 1656 Ballet also employed the theorbo >> players de La Barre, Vincent, Ytier (= Ithier), Grénerin, >> Le Moine and Hurel...

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2014-03-03 Thread Christopher Wilke
Jean-Marie, On Mon, 3/3/14, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > Incidentally, this 1656 Ballet also employed the theorbo > players de La Barre, Vincent, Ytier (= Ithier), Grénerin, > Le Moine and Hurel... What a dream team it must have been ;-) I'm sure th

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2014-03-03 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Good morning to all, I exchanged a mail with Monica without realising that I had sent it to her only and not to her plus the list... My mistake ;-( but not very important anyway. I sometimes get confused in the choices to reply to messages... Anyway, Monica quoted an part of the article in Le M

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2014-03-03 Thread gary
This may be apocryphal, but I remember having read that Corbetta taught young Charles II in France after the Queen Mother fled there with him to avoid Cromwell and, after the restoration, Charles brought Corbetta to England. While in France Corbetta had acquired the franchise for an Italian gam

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2014-03-02 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 02/03/14 7:56 PM, Peter Danner wrote: Incidentally, it was while performing the Te Deum written to celebrate Louis' recovery from this illness that Lully suffered the wound that caused his death. Oh no...I fear we're next going to learn that the tale of Lully's death from gangrene brought a

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2014-03-02 Thread Peter Danner
After the remarks made about Satoh's liner notes, I hate to cite any others, but in Philippe Beaussant's rather poignant notes to Hopkison Smith's Pieces de Theorbe (Astree 7733), claim is made that Corbetta became known to Louis when Lully had the two play together in le Ballet de la Galanterie

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2014-03-02 Thread Monica Hall
re" doesn't necessarily mean that he actually taught Louis to play. More that he was there to play to the King in his leisure hours. He may not have been a composer but a lot of stuff in manuscript is anonymous and it may have been difficult to get guitar music printed in France before

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2014-03-02 Thread howard posner
On Mar 1, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: > before you know it, it's a "known fact" that de Visee was from > Portugual. My offhand remark that started this thread was based on a "known fact" that I gleaned from the liner notes of a Segovia LP (you may commence giggling), when I w

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2014-03-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
>On French-Spanish relationships, it might be worth pointing out that Louis' >mother, Anne of Austria, in spite of her name, was a Spanish Habsburg, >the >daughter of King Philip III. Furthermore, Louis married the Infanta, Maria >Teresa, daughter of Philip IV of Spain. In his biography of Louis

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2014-03-02 Thread Peter Danner
Thank you for this, Jean-Marie. Precisely the information I was looking for. I remember examining the Marcelle Beboit volumes in the Stanford library years ago. Louis XIV did indeed have some ability on the guitar from contemporary accounts, and Voltaire is later said to have stated that the onl

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2014-03-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
I >wonder if "Maitre de guitarre" doesn't necessarily mean that he actually >taught Louis to play. More that he was there to play to the King in his >leisure hours. He may not have been a composer but a lot of stuff in >manuscript is anonymous and it may ha

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2014-03-02 Thread Monica Hall
age - From: "Peter Danner" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee Monica is quite right in pointing out that de Visee was never Louis XIV's official guitar teacher, which brings up another questi

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2014-03-02 Thread Bernd Haegemann
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2014-03-02 Thread R. Mattes
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:06:29 +0100, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote > Maybe Visée first met Louis XIV who stayed in Vizé for a couple of > days in the then famous "Maison Houbart" in 1672 and 1675, during > the Franco-Dutch War... He was with the musketeer d'Artagnan who got > killed in 1673 during the sie

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2014-03-02 Thread Peter Danner
Monica is quite right in pointing out that de Visee was never Louis XIV's official guitar teacher, which brings up another question. It has been years since I looked into the matter, but I find this in my notes. Perhaps someone can remind me of the Benoit citation. It identifies de la Salle as S

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2014-03-02 Thread Monica Hall
The trail is getting hotter Enjoy your day of rest Monica - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" To: "Greet Schamp" ; "Monica Hall" ; "Martyn Hodgson" Cc: "'Lute List'" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 2:06

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2014-03-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Maybe Visée first met Louis XIV who stayed in Vizé for a couple of days in the then famous "Maison Houbart" in 1672 and 1675, during the Franco-Dutch War... He was with the musketeer d'Artagnan who got killed in 1673 during the siege of Maastricht. Real facts but the rest is pure conjecture and

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2014-03-02 Thread Monica Hall
t the lute from Gaultier, Pinel or whoever was in the ascendency in his youth. Monica - Original Message - From: "Shaun Ng" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee What I find interesting in all this (Satoh’s exercise

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2014-03-02 Thread Monica Hall
Well that is possible I suppose. It may even account for the fact that Castillion - who hied from Liege - copied the whole of De Visee's 1682 into his earlier manuscript now in the Liege Conservatoire. But that is just my imagination and conjecture and not based on any surviving documents..

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2014-03-02 Thread Shaun Ng
What I find interesting in all this (Satoh’s exercise) is why De Visée needs to be foreign. Is this to align him with Lully (the Italian)? In the light of the long tradition of lute playing in France, making De Visée foreign does not seem to elevate his status. In fact, historical writers in som

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2014-03-02 Thread Greet Schamp
Dear all, I wonder if his name has something to do with the city of Visé, north east of Liège in Belgium? The dutch name is WEZET but in the Walloon language it is called Vizé. According to wikipedia in french, it has a long history It would add another lute/baroque guitar composer to our coun

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2014-03-01 Thread Christopher Wilke
Satoh is a veteran performer. He has made many contributions to our field both as a player and a scholar who has published in professional journals. As such, he speaks with some authority and many will assume that even his "conjectures" have a basis in fact. I understand the temptat

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-18 Thread Rafael Muñoz Rodríguez
Hi, In the Sazenay, the A-minor prelude is written in page 256 and the courante in page 254. There is a slight different version of both pieces (and some others in the same key) in the manuscript of the Bibliotheque nationale, in Paris with the reference F Pn Res.1106. I have rec

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-16 Thread Arto Wikla
Btw, a Prelude and Courante in A minor to theorbo in the Saizenay ms.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wezj1r3CdCQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xco973frlJY Perhaps these are the ones? There are also Allemande, Sarabande, Chaconne and Gavotte there... In 2009 my recording equipment was sou

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-16 Thread David Smith
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:22 AM To: be...@interlog.com Cc: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency According to Gerard Rebours thematic catalogue of De Visee's work there is a Prelude in

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-16 Thread Monica Hall
According to Gerard Rebours thematic catalogue of De Visee's work there is a Prelude in A minor in the printed collection "Pieces de theorbe et luth" which is an arrangement of the prelude in B minor from the 1686 guitar book. This source also includes a courante in A minor. which is not in the

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-16 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Am 16.12.2012 15:55, schrieb Edward Martin: Hi Benjamin, I am not aware of a courante and prelude in a minor by deVisee. All De Visee's lute pieces come from the Vaudry de Saizenay MS, and the Prelude and Courante pieces are not included. (Arto kindly sent a link to the MS). I never ha

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-16 Thread Edward Martin
Hi Benjamin, I am not aware of a courante and prelude in a minor by deVisee. All De Visee's lute pieces come from the Vaudry de Saizenay MS, and the Prelude and Courante pieces are not included. (Arto kindly sent a link to the MS). There is, however, and excellent CD by Eduardo Eguez, contain

[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency

2012-12-15 Thread Arto Wikla
The two "Saizenay" facsimiles are public. And in very beautiful way, see http://culture.besancon.fr/ark:/48565/a011284026247S0XA9H/1/1 Arto On 16/12/12 02:45, be...@interlog.com wrote: Hi, folks! Hope all is well. I'm sending out a request for a couple of De Visee tabs that I can't seem to

[LUTE] Re: de Visee theorbo duets

2011-10-09 Thread Edward Martin
Brad, Can you send the link to the duet on you tube? At 11:09 AM 10/9/2011, gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca wrote: >Hello lute folks, > > >There is a chaconne in g-major from the Saizenay ms and often >attributed to de Visee (and sometimes to le Moyne). There is a duet >version of this chaconne on Yout

[LUTE] Re: de Visee Noels

2008-03-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
BTW that information has been provided in the table of contents to the 1980 Minkoff edition of the Saizenay ms. (1979 by Claude Chauvel). Mathias "Peter Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Yes, those are the three pieces in order of appearance. > > My information came from Bryan Prud'homme's

[LUTE] Re: de Visee Noels

2008-03-11 Thread Peter Martin
Yes, those are the three pieces in order of appearance. My information came from Bryan Prud'homme's 1992 University of Colorado PhD dissertation on the theorbo works of Robert de Visee, of which I bought a copy a few years ago in a fit of enthusiasm for RdV. He's picked up two of the titles from

[LUTE] Re: de Visee Noels

2008-03-11 Thread chriswilke
Peter, Thanks a lot! Are those the titles of the pieces as they appear in the manuscript, top to bottom? They're all just labeled "Noel." Chris --- Peter Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They're identified by Bryan Prud'homme as being > > Une jeune pucelle [aka Une jeune fillette,

[LUTE] Re: de Visee Noels

2008-03-11 Thread Peter Martin
They're identified by Bryan Prud'homme as being Une jeune pucelle [aka Une jeune fillette, La Monica] Je me suis leve par un matinet A la venue de noel P On 10/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > Does anyone out there know where I might be able > to fi

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Jerzy Zak
;" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties "Taco Walstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: On Sunday 25 November 2007 21:58, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard: > Dear Collecte

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Arthur Ness
From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties Only two Visee contreparties are in Paris sources.

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Arthur Ness
some free scores, go to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ - Original Message - From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties &

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread G. Crona
, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties "Taco Walstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: On Sunday 25 November 2007 21:58, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard: > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > on their CD with duets by de Visee and Corbetta (

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Mathias Rösel
"Taco Walstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Sunday 25 November 2007 21:58, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard: > > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > > > on their CD with duets by de Visee and Corbetta (Naxos), Eric Bellocq > > and Massimo Moscardo have recorded two suites by de Visee, totalling 12

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Taco Walstra
On Sunday 25 November 2007 21:58, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard: > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > on their CD with duets by de Visee and Corbetta (Naxos), Eric Bellocq > and Massimo Moscardo have recorded two suites by de Visee, totalling 12 > movements. Only three of those twelve contreparties

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-23 Thread Alexander Batov
"Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi to all... > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand > playing De Visée: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ Thank you for this. Leslevand is a truly remarkable player. It's always great to hear somebody who's got enough technical sk

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-23 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Apart from the musical differences Bonavita's playing position certainly looks healthier. Nomen est omen :-) Regards, Stephan Am 21 Apr 2007 um 15:37 hat Mathias Rösel geschrieben: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > I thought both Lislevand's and Bonavitas' > > performances were nice. > >

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-21 Thread chriswilke
--- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I > especially disliked > Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the > notes. Not my preference, either. Hoppy Smith does this sort of thing all over his de Visee album and it seems like lots of

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-21 Thread Bruno Correia
> Mathias, Bonavita also stop the basses at the same place Lislevand does. They are both great... "Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I especially disliked > Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Anyway, his > playing is at times very guitaristic, in this video

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-21 Thread David Rastall
On Apr 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Mathias R=F6sel wrote: > ...I especially disliked > Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Anyway, his > playing is at times very guitaristic The stopping of the basses is something I tend to associate with pianists when they play Baroque music (

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-21 Thread Mathias Rösel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I thought both Lislevand's and Bonavitas' > performances were nice. Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I especially disliked Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Anyway, his playing is at times very guitaristic, in this video (

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-21 Thread chriswilke
Mathias, I thought both Lislevand's and Bonavitas' performances were nice. Chris --- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > Hi to all... > > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand > playing De Visée: > > http://www.youtube

[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner

2007-04-21 Thread Mathias Rösel
"Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Hi to all... > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand playing De Visée: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ If Rafael Bonavita http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UKk5shfIA&mode=related&search= had used Lislevand's stringing instead of t